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Cliff Lee negotiations moving s l o w l y

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 07, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

World Series Rangers Giants BaseballBrian Cashman said he’s in no position to dictate the pace in his negotiations with Cliff Lee, but he’s ready to take the next step if Lee’s ready for an offer.

“If they’re willing to take one and they’re ready to close something out, I’m willing to get serious,” Cashman said. “We’re just waiting for them to get to that position.”

This comes on a rather bizarre day in the ongoing Lee saga. Some reports suggest the Washington Nationals are heavily involved. Jon Heyman is hearing two teams are willing to offer seven years, but there’s no indication of who those teams might be.

“I know what we are willing to do,” Cashman said. “I know how far we’re willing to go. We’d love to add Cliff Lee to the Yankee rotation. There’s no doubt about that. He knows that. I’ve got a great working relationship with the agent. The player has, I think, good ties to some of the players on this team. At the end of the day, it’s business. It’s all business. He’s going to weigh the opportunities presented to him and the offer presented to him and the locales presented to him – whatever they are – and measure it against whatever we’re willing to do. He’ll make a call. He’ll make a decision here at some point. We just have to respect the process, respect the player and his family and their intent and interest.”

Joe Girardi today acknowledged the obvious: That there is no Lee substitute on the market. If the Yankees don’t get Lee, and still want to add a front-line pitcher, they’ll have to make a trade. Of course, Cashman is already talking about alternatives, and keeping an eye on the “large net” he’s cast throughout baseball.

“Pitching is the key to the kingdom,” Cashman said. “If we can improve upon the pitching, great. Obviously we’ve been in the situation (in the past) where we’ve decided we can’t, so you ramp up the offense even more so. I’ve been there and done that, and I’m not afraid to do that again. I like what we have. Can I improve upon it? I think there are possibilities there. First preference, we go to the pitching side, but after a while, you might change your focus a little bit. That’s why I’ve got a large net cast. I’ll be able to adjust rather quickly if we choose to do so.”

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242 Responses to “Cliff Lee negotiations moving s l o w l y”

  1. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Cashman, it would seem, is a Man with a plan.

    Or should I say “plans”.

    ;)

  2. Bronx Jeers December 7th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    That hat in the picture looks like it needs more gook on it.

    That’s probably why he lost. :shock:

  3. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    Cliff.

    When you put on the PS you are going to have to lose the facial hair.

    dig ?

    :)

  4. Angelo Silecchio December 7th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    I like Cashman’s approach here. Let the other teams submit their offer, then come see the Yankees for the big boy offer. This way the Yanks can’t be used. In years past teams could take the Yanks offer and shop it around to have the bidding war continue.

    sportsthunderdome.blogspot.com

  5. Tom in N.J. December 7th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    I’d imagine that these negotiations are like this game:

    http://wonder-tonic.com/cannibalism/

  6. Bronx Jeers December 7th, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    Watch the Yankees will sign him and suddenly there’ll be a rule against “hat crud”

  7. pat December 7th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Joelsherman1 Just ran into Johnny Damon in lobby. Says no firm offers yet, hoping to talk to some teams here

  8. blake December 7th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    “The Yankees are on the verge of making Lee a lucrative offer and are awaiting the go-ahead from Braunecker, according to Andrew Marchand of ESPNNewYork.com. GM Brian Cashman says he’s ready to get serious.”

  9. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    Interesting that Cashman talked about his option could be ramping up the offense as he has done before. Playing his “Crawford Card” on Lee?

  10. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    Cashman:

    Behind door “A” I have ……

    Behind door “B” I have …..

    Behind door “C” I have ……

    And behind the green door I have ……. Loads of Dinero.

    :)

  11. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    GB-

    IMO that was always plan B. Less pitching means more offense.

    I prefer plan A.

  12. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Or plan C.

    More pitching AND more offense.

  13. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Careful MTU on that behind the green door reference.

    This is a family show, at least I think it is.

  14. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
    Cashman:

    Behind door “A” I have ……

    Behind door “B” I have …..

    Behind door “C” I have ……

    And behind the green door I have ……. Loads of Dinero.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I thought that it was Marilyn Chambers “Behind The Green Door”?

  15. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    GF-

    I knew someone would get it. :)

    I’m strictly a PG guy. ;)

  16. Fran the original December 7th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    MTU and GB,

    I’m with you on Plan A. In the playoffs you need good pitching. We have seen that. While Crawford would be nice, I’d rather have Lee and the OF the Yankees have now.

  17. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    I like artsy movies myself, MTU

  18. BD (Boston Dave) December 7th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    at what point does the rest of the baseball world and sports media realize that 98% of the stuff coming from Heyman and Rosenthal ends up being incorrect?

    the National Enquirer has better ‘news’ than those 2 gossip queens.

  19. Patrick December 7th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    I’ve never really heard of this “not accepting offers” business. He’s a free agent. What is Lee’s agent going to do if Cashman gives him an offer before he’s ready?

    Cashman, “Braunecker, I’d like to offer -”
    Braunecker, “NO STOP! Don’t say another word, we aren’t accepting offers yet!”
    Cashman, “But I really want to -”
    Braunecker, “SHUT UP, I TOLD YOU, NO OFFERS!”
    Cashman, “Come on man you can’t be serious, we want to make you and your client very rich men.”
    Braunecker *click* – hangs up phone

  20. Bronx Jeers December 7th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    I think Ms. Chambers was one of my firsts. :wink:

  21. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    # MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    GF-

    I knew someone would get it. :)

    I’m strictly a PG guy. ;)

    ————-

    I had a Human Sexuality class in college at Purdue University and the professor showed that film one afternoon.

    True story.

  22. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    “Jon Heyman is hearing two teams are willing to offer seven years, but there’s no indication of who those teams might be”. — Chad

    Shouldn’t someone let Chad know about Heyman, that this is made up?

  23. Irreverent Discourse December 7th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    patrick – maybe they just mean they aren’t “accepting” offers. As in… there is nothing to say other than a gross overpayment to hear the words “yes” out of Lee or his agent.

    Basically it means any offer they do “receive” will be brought to anyone else listening.

  24. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    GB-

    Strictly Disney stuff for me GB.

    I wonder where Debbie is now ?

    You know. The gal from Dallas. ;)

  25. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Exactly, Fran. Of course, if Cashman wants to add more All Stars, I’ll only complain a little bit.

    OK, I’m done complaining.

    Hope all is well with you and the snow flurries. brrrr

  26. Erica in NY December 7th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Irreverent Discourse December 7th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
    Erica – The baseball genius returns…

    To be fair, none of the other teams we were discussing that day were named the Giants.

    ************

    Nicely executed.

    But I do believe I said that day that the NL would be a coin flip. I consider the Giants a fitting description of a “coin flip” in that circumstance. But not everyone is a baseball genius like me :-)

  27. austinmac December 7th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    GB,

    I think Cashman was clearly playing the Crawford card. He cannot let this process be at a standstill. He loses all options and all leverage.

  28. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Patrick-

    Hysterical.

    Maybe Cash should brave the waters. ;)

  29. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    # BD (Boston Dave) December 7th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    at what point does the rest of the baseball world and sports media realize that 98% of the stuff coming from Heyman and Rosenthal ends up being incorrect?

    the National Enquirer has better ‘news’ than those 2 gossip queens.

    ———

    Don’t say that to WCYF. He might respond with how respected they are and how many twitter followers they have.

  30. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
    GB-

    Strictly Disney stuff for me GB.

    I wonder where Debbie is now ?

    You know. The gal from Dallas.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Yeah…Bambi is my favorite movie, too.

  31. Irreverent Discourse December 7th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    Erica – lol the Giants were like 5 coin flips in a row all coming up tails :)

    Sometimes you can just see em comin’. :p

  32. Erica in NY December 7th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    JEKIKASO & Patrick -

    Thanks :-)

  33. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    GB-

    Yes. that’s certainly own to fawn over.

  34. Betsy December 7th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    Cash needs to just let this move along – he doesn’t control this process, Lee does. If he needs to make moves, then he should make them………

    I hope the Yankees don’t fall for these tweaks and allow Lee to use them.

  35. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    edit: “one”. duh.

  36. Erica in NY December 7th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
    Hello, Erica. You’ve been missed. We’ve had such a miserable time ithout you, we’ve been talking about you. MTU didn’t have good things to say about you and Johnny or you and Ernie. Called him a fuzzball.

    Hope that you had a great holiday.

    I’m doing pretty well. Thank you for the kind thoughts.

    ***************

    Wow, from the times I lurked, I can honestly say this place was really lacking “fluff”.

    Its my fault, leaving Erin alone to discuss Muppets amongst herself was quite a burden for one person to bear

  37. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
    # MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    GF-

    I knew someone would get it.

    I’m strictly a PG guy.

    ————-

    I had a Human Sexuality class in college at Purdue University and the professor showed that film one afternoon.

    True story.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    That would be one of the few times that Purdue was ever first in front of Notre Dame.

  38. SJ44 December 7th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    West coast,

    You post the same drivel with no foundation.

    What if Heyman is just writing what Lee’s agent is telling him? The more likely scenario.

    His agent isn’t taking offers from the Yankees yet, he’s taking them from everybody else?

    Come on, that’s not even being logical.

    I know you are in love with Jon Heyman and believe everything he writes has been perfectly sourced because he’s employed as a sportswriter.

    However, today was yet another example of how misplaced your loyalties lie, given his incorrect Tweets for the day.

  39. Fran the original December 7th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    GB,
    It is quite cold here. How is the weather where you are?

    Erica,
    Hi. Welcome back :)

  40. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Andy.

    DO NOT reveal your secret until after we sign Lee, or Danks, or Kershaw, or Johnson, or Greinke.

    Thank you.

    The Management.

  41. Betsy December 7th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    The Yankees need to improve their pitching, period – amping up the offense is not going to be good enough in this division. Even if we get Lee, Andy is probably done………..so who would be our 5th starter? Nova? I sure hope not.

  42. Erica in NY December 7th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Irreverent Discourse December 7th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
    Erica – lol the Giants were like 5 coin flips in a row all coming up tails

    Sometimes you can just see em comin’. :
    *************

    According to the Madden Steinbrenner book-

    When Steinbrenner was notified that the Yankees lost the 1978 coin flip and the 163rd game of the season would be at Fenway, he asked the team president which he chose. Upon learning he chose heads, Steinbrenner went on a curse-filled rant about how all of his employees are idiots and “everyone knows that tails comes up 70% of the time”

  43. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    Erica!!!

  44. stuart a December 7th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    damon =’s mercenary.

    how did last years shrewd negotiations work out johny?

    started to remind me of aold broken down wade boggs, get’s 3000 hits in a rays jersey.

    johnny is up to kc, oak, boston, ny, and det. 5 teams and counting……….

  45. randy l. December 7th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    “Cashman is not on the shaky ground you may think he is.

    He is well entrenched in the organization and Hal is very happy with the job he is doing.

    His job security does not depend on Cliff Lee.”

    sj44-

    i think it’s pretty obvious if pettitte retires that the yankee rotation is going to be hard pressed to get the yankees to the playoffs next year.

    cashman is the one who got the yankees to this point where the rotation is this weak.

    i think cashman needs lee or he’s really going to have to scramble to put a starting staff together.

    lee is in a very good position .

    cashman isn’t.

    if the yankees are going to get lee they are going to have to overpay because they are negotiating from weakness.

  46. Mira18 December 7th, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Angelo Silecchio I’d have to agree with you. The Yanks have the deepest pockets so they’re able to allow other teams to make offers. I’m sure Lee and Braunecker will go back to the Yankees when all the other offers are in and he’s getting ready to make a decision. I know that the agent said he wanted this wrapped up before the end of the meetings so I’m not sure why it has been reported that this may drag into January. I find that very unlikely.

  47. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Erica in NY December 7th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
    GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
    Hello, Erica. You’ve been missed. We’ve had such a miserable time ithout you, we’ve been talking about you. MTU didn’t have good things to say about you and Johnny or you and Ernie. Called him a fuzzball.

    Hope that you had a great holiday.

    I’m doing pretty well. Thank you for the kind thoughts.

    ***************

    Wow, from the times I lurked, I can honestly say this place was really lacking “fluff”.

    Its my fault, leaving Erin alone to discuss Muppets amongst herself was quite a burden for one person to

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Erin did a good job in your absence, but, she needed help dealing with the animals in here. I tried to help her, but…….

  48. Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Oh yeah SJ????

    Well get a load of THIS!!!

    NYYrumors

    JON HEYMAN IS GOD
    less than 5 seconds ago via web

  49. hardwired7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    You’d think Cashman was trying serve Lee w/a subpoena or something…what the hell?

  50. LGY December 7th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    “if the yankees are going to get lee they are going to have to overpay because they are negotiating from weakness.”

    ———————-

    Any team that gets Lee is going to have to overpay.

  51. Erica in NY December 7th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Hi Fran!!!

    Hi Doreen!!!

    :-)

  52. Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    It’s out there. I can’t take it back…

  53. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Erica-

    How did the pretend fling with the Cabana boy go ?

    No one else but me figured out where you were.

    ;)

  54. Irreverent Discourse December 7th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    #JonHeyman missed his calling. Should’ve been a sorority girl. Just shut up, please. 9:28 PM Nov 23rd via web

    I like this one better.

  55. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Fran the original December 7th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
    GB,
    It is quite cold here. How is the weather where you are?

    Erica,
    Hi. Welcome back

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Absolutely brutal today, Fran. It dropped all the way down into the 60s.

  56. Betsy December 7th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    I don’t agree with Randy’s take on Cash, but I agree with his take on the pitching. It does seem as if we go through this every year or two – there’s not a lot of stability.

  57. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    # GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    That would be one of the few times that Purdue was ever first in front of Notre Dame.

    ————

    LOL. You’re probably right.

    The professor had to tape construction paper to the windows and doors so students from outside and walking down the halls wouldn’t peep and get a free show.

  58. Betsy December 7th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    If Lee is trying to play the Yankees, good luck. As much as they want and need him, I think they will draw a line in the sand………..and I would applaud them if they do.

  59. austinmac December 7th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    Erica,

    Welcome back. I will use all of my non-existent power to get Cashman to bring back Johnny.

  60. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    This rotation:

    CC
    CL
    AP
    PH
    AJ

    Kills bats.

    And I want it.

    :)

  61. SJ44 December 7th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Randy,

    How did Cashman get them into this position?

    He has two all star starters in CC and Hughes.

    If he doesn’t sign Lee, they have the assets to trade for a starter.

    Burnett? Had an awful year last year. It happens. It happened to Josh Beckett two of the last three years. That’s not the GM’s fault.

    Andy? Let’s see if he retires.

    If you are Andy Pettitte, why would you announce anything right now?

    He stands to make more money if Lee goes elsewhere.

  62. Erica in NY December 7th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
    Erica-

    How did the pretend fling with the Cabana boy go ?

    No one else but me figured out where you were.

    ************

    Please. I wish.
    I have been crazy busy lately. I am not sure how much I will be posting, but I wanted to drop in and say hi to my blog friends.

    And I only went to Atlantic City once since I have last posted :-)

  63. Irreverent Discourse December 7th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Betsy – The yankees will draw a line in the sand, right around the spot where the magic number for cliff lee is buried. :)

  64. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    You know, GB7 – my mom & step-dad in FLA pull that line too – “all the way down to 70 today!” Sheesh!!!

    I hate winter more and more with every passing year; and yet, when my husband retires, we’re probably going NORTH!! ( Unless Daughter #1 is able to go with us to warmer climes.)

  65. Erica in NY December 7th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    austinmac December 7th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
    Erica,

    Welcome back. I will use all of my non-existent power to get Cashman to bring back Johnny.

    ***********

    I started to say, “Well, I guess non-existent power is better than no power”, but then I realized that really makes no sense. LOL

    So instead I will just say “thanks”!

  66. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Actually SJ44 – I don’t have any great affinity for any particular media person. What is aggravating to me, is what I perceive as the incessant, wanton and often gratuitous bashing of so many in the media. Announcers, reporters, columnists, it doesn’t matter.

    My point about Heyman which I expressed, is that in the fast paced whirlwind that is the lobby of the hotel at the winter meetings and it’s surroundings, the name of the game is to disseminate information. You contact your sources, people you know in baseball organizations, agents, players, etc., and in exchange for protecting their identities you sometimes get information. It is not possible due to time, manpower and other constraints to corroborate the information.So you report it. Heyman said in his tweet this morning that it was a “rumor” that the Nats were going to go 7 years to Lee. He identified it as a “rumor”. That means, take it with a grain of salt.

  67. Fran the original December 7th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    It dropped all the way down into the 60s.
    ************************
    GB,

    I feel so bad for you ;)

  68. 108 stitches December 7th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    It’s difficult to imagine that a pitcher on the verge of reaping heavy millions is out hunting in the woods out of touch with the world and when he’s nailed enough ducks he’ll call his agent and say, “what’s been happening ?”
    The next presser will be the Great Mariano’s at the Stadium. The following presser will be Lee’s, also at the Stadium. If anything, reverse the order if Mariano is in Panama.

  69. PittsburghYankeeFan December 7th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Where is “Lost in Little Rock” when you need him?

    I still say this gets done at 22.5 x 6. Anything else makes no sense whatsoever. Which team in MLB can afford a 22.5 x 7 contract, let alone a 22.5 x 6, other than the NYY?

    The Rangers are going through the couch for loose change to make 20-22 x 4-5, in my opinion. Anything over is just too rich for them.

    Two mystery teams? At something like 18 x 7, maybe.

  70. Tom K December 7th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    “I think Ms. Chambers was one of my firsts”
    ————————————

    Ginger Lynn and Tracy Adams, for me. And one other who can’t remember..

  71. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Erica-

    I believe the part about being busy but not the part about AC.

    Haven’t found that one rich Man yet, or come close on Lotto ?

    :)

  72. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
    # GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    That would be one of the few times that Purdue was ever first in front of Notre Dame.

    ————

    LOL. You’re probably right.

    The professor had to tape construction paper to the windows and doors so students from outside and walking down the halls wouldn’t peep and get a free show.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Sounds like the first year that our high school had sex education. The instructor was a 65 year old maid teacher. Most of the kids in the class had more fun correcting her than we did learning anything new.v

  73. MaineYankee December 7th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Erica

    I guess we know you didn’t win much then cause I haven’t seen JD back with the Yankees.

    Probably the only way it would happen.

  74. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Fran the original December 7th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
    It dropped all the way down into the 60s.
    ************************
    GB,

    I feel so bad for you

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I knew that I would get some sympathy from you, Fran.

  75. SJ44 December 7th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    If you can’t source it, you don’t report it.

    You always have time to get it right.

    He also said the Nats were “in” on Lee.

    Mike Rizzo later refuted it.

    Rumormongering isn’t reporting.

  76. Erica in NY December 7th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
    Erica-

    I believe the part about being busy but not the part about AC.

    Haven’t found that one rich Man yet, or come close on Lotto ?

    *********

    I went for Thanksgiving weekend. But I am going again for my birthday and then possibly for New Years.

    As for the second part, not quite. And not even close :-(

  77. Erica in NY December 7th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    MaineYankee December 7th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
    Erica

    I guess we know you didn’t win much then cause I haven’t seen JD back with the Yankees.

    Probably the only way it would happen.

    *************

    If I ever hit jackpot, I think I would be very selfish and put it all towards the “Erica wants to stop working forever” Fund.

    Whatever is left can go towards the “Erica buys the Yankees Johnny Damon” fund

  78. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    GB-

    I guess your maid teacher didn’t believe in classroom demos then. Only written suggestions.

    :)

  79. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
    You know, GB7 – my mom & step-dad in FLA pull that line too – “all the way down to 70 today!” Sheesh!!!

    I hate winter more and more with every passing year; and yet, when my husband retires, we’re probably going NORTH!! ( Unless Daughter #1 is able to go with us to warmer climes.)

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Is it winter, yet, Doreen? I forgot about all of you people living above the Mason-Dixon Circle.

  80. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    OK SJ44 I don’t want to beat a dead horse, we have both expressed our opinions. It’s not important.

  81. MaineYankee December 7th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Erica

    If I ever hit jackpot, I think I would be very selfish and put it all towards the “Erica wants to stop working forever” Fund.

    ———————————————————————————————-

    That’s going to be an awfull big jackpot or your good at eating alot of rice and beans. :lol:

  82. blake December 7th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Mystery teams: of the teams in baseball, how many could actually afford Cliff Lee at 140-150 million dollars. Not many……the ones that can are no mystery,

  83. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
    GB-

    I guess your maid teacher didn’t believe in classroom demos then. Only written suggestions.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    There were plenty of volunteers to do the demos, though.

  84. randy l. December 7th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    “How did Cashman get them into this position?”

    sj44-

    someone else is in charge of the yankees?

    the rotation is a mess right now.

    two guys as you say are good.

    who else is that on?

    lee is cashman’s get -out -of- jail- free card.

    what else could cashman have done?

    he could have developed joba for one thing.

  85. hardwired7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Braunecker: “Ah, jeez. Here comes Cashman with his checkbook again. I tell you, he’s worse than the Jehovah’s Witnesses”

  86. BD (Boston Dave) December 7th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    “Don’t say that to WCYF. He might respond with how respected they are and how many twitter followers they have.”

    —————

    Oh, I’m well aware of “WCYF logic.”

    But I’ve learned to just skip over his/her posts.

  87. austinmac December 7th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    In my high school biology class in central Florida the county had the reproduction chapter cut out of our texts. Perhaps, this explains a lot in my life. :)

  88. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Mason-Dixon circle ?

    You learned even less from that old maid than I thought.

  89. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    The Winter Meetings take place for a handful of days once a year.

    The craziness of the event may exonerate Heyman for a few days (although it shouldn’t since he’s supposed to be one of the most-est best-est respected reporters in the business) but how does that exonerate Heyman for the other 360 days a year he’s wrong?

  90. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Hardwired-

    Or Pentacostals.

    :)

  91. Tar December 7th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Erica’s back!

    Time for a Snoopy Dance. :D

    It’s been kind of a bummer day in Tar land, so I really needed a reason to smile.

  92. Mike Ri December 7th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Seems like Cashmoney is getting a little impatient. relax bud !

  93. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
    Mason-Dixon circle ?

    You learned even less from that old maid than I thought.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Yeah, that imaginary circle that separates Virginia from Canada.

  94. MaineYankee December 7th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    randy

    I guess Gonzales is Theo’s get out of jail free card then.

  95. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Austin-

    :)

    I’m sure you figured it out !

  96. Erica in NY December 7th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Tar December 7th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
    Erica’s back!

    Time for a Snoopy Dance.

    It’s been kind of a bummer day in Tar land, so I really needed a reason to smile.

    ***************

    Awww.. thank you :-)
    Glad I could help!

  97. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    the rotation is a mess right now.

    two guys as you say are good.

    He had 2 pitchers on the team that were free agents at the end of the season, what do you want him to do? He can’t have other pitchers signed.

    He is trying to replace both of them through free agency. Maybe he replaces 1 through FA and 1 through trade.

    Unless you’re blaming him for somehow not having 5 starters already locked up I don’t get what the big deal is.

    CC-Hughes-AJ-BLANK-BLANK

    Fill one blank through trade/free agency, let one of our many pitching prospects break in at the 5th spot. Hughes is an established pitcher now.

    Unless you want Cashman to have the foresight to see Burnett was going to be toast in only his 2nd year (which I doubt anyone would predict, 3-4 year deals for burnett were quite logical) then what do you want?

  98. SJ44 December 7th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    Randy,

    Jobs failed Joba. You can’t lay that on Cashman.

    The Yankees now have as many quality AA and AAA arms heading into 2011 as any team in baseball.

    That gives him plenty present and future options.

    He can’t control whether Andy retires or not.

    As far as the rotation, it’s probably more prudent to determine where it is after they finish building the roster this winter.

  99. Yogi Mantle December 7th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    I can’t say that I really believe the buzz about there being two mystery teams out there willing to go 7 years for Lee. It sounds too much like we usually hear with Boras’ clients and rarely do these teams materialize.

    It sounds as if there are no offers that are officially out there for Lee, given what both Cashman and Ryan have said, so while parameters of years might be discussed, they could be just hot air.

    I don’t see the Red Sox being in on the Lee talks, but you never can be sure. I see the Angels as being more likely though, being that they didn’t do well last season. Trouble is the length of the contract. Most clubs don’t like that.

    Maybe Lee just wants to keep up the entertainment value for a while, hearing him being talked about every day.

    I think the agent is working to play this to the hilt, maybe hoping that a team will do something really dumb and offer the moon and stars. Its happened before. By not accepting any offers he keeps the illusion of hope alive. Once the offers are in, it goes to Lee to decide. Cash will make his offer but isn’t going to put up with it being shopped around. A little of that might happen if the offers are close, but I tend to doubt it. We’ll see.

  100. hardwired7 December 7th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    lol, MTU.

  101. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    BLANK-BLANK are simply not very good.

    I prefer Lee-Pettitte.

    :)

  102. PittsburghYankeeFan December 7th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Someone on NYY Fans sourced a guy from the Toronto papers saying Detroit is offering 7. Who knows if it is true, but…

    Seems like they could do it, since Dontrelle Willis and Bonderman are coming off the books at $24 million, and they are daring/dumb enough to sign Willis, so signing a 32 year old pitcher to a 7 year contract is possible.

  103. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    GB-

    Is that anywhere near the Mendoza circle ?

  104. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Randy is just saying, “I can’t believe Cashman let two of his players reach free agency :x

  105. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    I wonder if NYYs get involved in trading for Tom Gorzelanny as a swing man.

  106. the gay yankee fan December 7th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    “Obviously we’ve been in the situation (in the past) where we’ve decided we can’t, so you ramp up the offense even more so. I’ve been there and done that, and I’m not afraid to do that again.” – Cashman

    Does this dude ever learn anything?

    When was the last he (or anyone else) won the WS by “ramping up” the offense?

  107. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
    GB-

    Is that anywhere near the Mendoza circle ?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    just north of that.

  108. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    GB-

    Benny Goodman would be a better choice.

  109. randy l. December 7th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    “As far as the rotation, it’s probably more prudent to determine where it is after they finish building the roster this winter.”

    sj44-

    chances are cashman lands lee and the rotation is fine.

    i’m just saying cashman really needs lee.

    lee will get overpaid because of this.

  110. christina12 December 7th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    I dont think his agent is lying about the two offers. I think its the Orioles and the Tigers.

  111. Betsy December 7th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    Detroit already has very good pitching; I could see them being the team to give Lee 7 years. With him, they could be dominant

  112. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    When was the last he (or anyone else) won the WS by “ramping up” the offense?

    When was the last time a ramped up yankee offense got backed by CC/Pettitte/Hughes

  113. MaineYankee December 7th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    MTU

    I’d rather have the blanks and try to fill them, than to not have the blanks and wish I did.

  114. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    chances are cashman lands lee and the rotation is fine.

    i’m just saying cashman really needs lee.

    lee will get overpaid because of this.

    The only reason they would need Lee is for Sabathia insurance when he opts out. They could do fine re-signing Pettitte and trading for a starter/letting a young guy like Nova work the 5 spot.

  115. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Or Glenn Miller.

  116. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    He could bring Pavano back and be guaranteed 200 innings of quality work :x

  117. Tom K December 7th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    “Randy is just saying, “I can’t believe Cashman let two of his players reach free agency :x “”
    =========================

    Basically.

    But Randy use to play professional baseball. Just saying… BAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

  118. the gay yankee fan December 7th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Last year.

    The Yankees offense lead the league in runs scored.

    Still it wasn’t enough because their pitching was not good enough.

  119. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Maine-

    I think you have blanks. In fact I know you do.

    Or at least I HOPE you do.

    :)

  120. PittsburghYankeeFan December 7th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    If the 7 years is true, and Detroit is the likely target, then:

    Ask how much you really want him. Look in the mirror and say you do (because you really do–this guy can give you multiple WS in the next few years, and dominant lefties for YS don’t come around that often).

    I can’t believe Detroit would survive a bidding war, as they have a lot of offense to sign, and my guess is that they have about $50 million left to do that and sign Lee.

    Offer year 7 as an incentive based option with a large enough buyout that the AAV stays above Detroit’s total deal?

  121. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    christina12 December 7th, 2010 at 8:04 pm
    I dont think his agent is lying about the two offers. I think its the Orioles and the Tigers.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Tell Youkilis that Chamberlain’s warming up in the bullpen and he’s “feeling wild” today.

  122. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    GB7 -

    Might as well be winter – I had to wear GLOVES today!!!!

  123. Melk Man December 7th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    Cash is at the mercy of Lee because the other options are scarce.

    You really think he wants to sign Crawford to a $140 million dollar deal and try to combine Swisher + some good prospects for a good starter? Or try and trade for a middling starter like Dallas Braden who would probably get lit up in the AL East?

    It’s nice, in theory, to say if Cash pulls out of the Lee sweepstakes, Lee loses most of his leverage and he shouldn’t be used. But Cashman needs him, he is far and away the most appealing option because he is the best pitcher by a mile and will only cost money… not signing one player to trade another and a bunch of complicated moves.

    Cash needs him and is in no position to set rules (i.e. not letting them shop the offer, trying to speed up the process, etc.). Cash doesn’t want to go down the barren “Plan B” road unless he has no choice (i.e. Lee signs elsewhere by his own choice, not because Cash sabotaged the process by ticking him off – that would be a Lucchino type move).

    Cash is a shrewd guy, but he is also very desperate, as he should be. As odd as this process has been so far with the snails pace, conflicting reports, etc. Cash just has to hang in there. He’s probably praying this is the last time he has to do this for a while.

  124. Betsy December 7th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    No 7 years……

  125. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Lee might enjoy pitching in Detroit, at least he there he can hunt the deadliest game of all: Man, in the apocalyptic wasteland that is the detroit metro area

  126. MaineYankee December 7th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    MTU

    I thought you was a PG guy? :lol:

  127. PittsburghYankeeFan December 7th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    SJ

    You think Detroit is the mystery team? How’s their ownership–are they that aggressive?

  128. BIG AL December 7th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    randy l. & SJ44 -

    You should be playing for the Yankees with all the HR’s you guys are hitting tonight.

    Some folks are either blind or dumb, or both, if they can’t read between the lines and realize you can’t have it both ways, meaning either Lee’s camp is taking offers, ie 7 years etc, or as has been reported, he has not taken offers from the Yankees, and his agent is waiting permission to do so with his meeting with Cashman tonight.

    Buy if Heyman reports 29 teams have told him, 2 teams they know of have already offered 7 years, but, Heyman doesn’t know which teams, he’s trying in the best way he knows to tell everyone, he knows nothing.

  129. 108 stitches December 7th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Jon Heyman is the modern day Hedda Hopper ….. a gossip columnist. Forever thirsting for that breaking news exclusive to make his resume look good and his editors beaming with joy about his journalistic abilities.
    He’s a legend in his own mind.

  130. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Doreen, I had to wear socks today. Brutal.

  131. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Cliff Lee is Robocop.

    :)

  132. Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    7 years……

  133. Tom K December 7th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    7 years for Cliff Lee?

    PASS.

  134. Yank 97 December 7th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    But Cash’s comments about “beefing up” the offense is odd because what is there to beef up? Substituting Swisher for Crawford is a minuscule, if even that, upgrade and costs significantly more.

    He already has big names on the offense… he just has to hope they perform up to their career numbers. He can’t reasonably upgrade most of the guys.

  135. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Maine-

    It’s YOUR mind that’s fillin’ in those blanks. ;)

  136. clownthrowindown December 7th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
    Randy is just saying, “I can’t believe Cashman let two of his players reach free agency
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

    No, that’s not what he is saying. He originally was making the point that Cashman is dealing from weakness. And with two openings (possibly), he is.

    Cashman knew that Vasquez was just one year and that Pettitte could go at any time. So if you think that having to fill two spots with FAs is a good plan, then don’t agree with Randy. But its hard to argue that Cashman isn’t behind the eight ball right now. And that, ultimately, he did indeed create the situation.

  137. randy l. December 7th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    tom k-

    ““Jeter is a phony.”

    “The direction the Yankees should’ve went. Instead of signing a washed-up SS to 4 years.”

    we’ll just use your own words to show what a jackass you are.

  138. PittsburghYankeeFan December 7th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Big AL

    Could they be taking offers from teams other than the Yankees, and not telling them until the last minute?

    That could explain much.

    Although I would tend to agree that negotiating in the media is pretty silly everyone concerned. Look at how pissed Jeter was…

  139. BIG AL December 7th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    GB7 -

    Wearing socks while walking over hot coals? Or is that Hot Stove?

  140. the gay yankee fan December 7th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Where is Detroit getting all this money from to be signing big contracts?

    Their city is declining. They’re not necessarily a big draw. So why are they acting like a big market team?

  141. christina12 December 7th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Bring it on Green!

  142. christina12 December 7th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Bring it on Green!

  143. Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    2 ways to upgrade the offense.

    Crawford over Gardner

    Upton over Swisher

    BONUS

    Montero over Berkman/Thames/Nick Johnson

  144. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    The Yankees offense lead the league in runs scored.

    Still it wasn’t enough because their pitching was not good enough.

    The pitching of the opposing teams was not much better on the season. They did well when they had to in the playoffs and the yankees pitchers didn’t. Thats the playoffs. They are a crapshoot. you try to load up with as many good guys as you can but sometimes its not enough.

    The yankees still lose if CC and Hughes give up 100 runs and Pettitte doesn’t shut em out, and Burnett gives up 5, etc.

    I’m sure the Rangers really enjoyed their rotation going into the playoffs, but do you think they are going to have that same faith that colby lewis and CJ wilson will replicate their seasons? Will they even have Cliff Lee?

    I don’t know if I have a point here, just that I don’t think not signing Lee is the end of the world. You get into october with a 3 era CC, a 3.5 ERA hughes (improvement hopefully!), a veteran pettitte, and a rejuvenated AJ, anything can happen.

  145. christina12 December 7th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    Detroit is getting that money from their rich owner.

  146. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    no problem, AL. They’re asbestos socks.

  147. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    And the Yankees offense wasn’t as far above the other teams as it has been in the past. It was more even with the top 3 offensive clubs. If the Yankees really want to they can make some deals and sign some guys and be the best offensive club by a mile.

  148. MaineYankee December 7th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    MTU

    You mean my mind is full of blanks.

    It feels like it at times.

    Especially after reading some of the stuff here.

  149. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Heyman’s nose is way bigger than Pinnochio’s.

    But his thoughts are just as wooden.

  150. Bronx Jeers December 7th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Lee might enjoy pitching in Detroit, at least he there he can hunt the deadliest game of all: Man, in the apocalyptic wasteland that is the detroit metro area.

    —————————————————————————————————————–

    There’s plenty of freaks on the subways to shoot if he pleases.

    Just ask John Rocker.

  151. BIG AL December 7th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    randy -

    You’re giving that jerk too much blog space, don’t waste your time. Every time he posts, it just solidifies everyones opinion on how stupid his comments are.

  152. KPB December 7th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Erica

    Nice to see you back. I hope it’s to stay. :smile:

  153. pat December 7th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Tigers and White Sox are usually Boras one dumb owner. Did he lend them to Braunecker?

  154. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Maine-

    You just have to learn to read between the blanks so you fill in the lines.

    ;)

  155. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    But its hard to argue that Cashman isn’t behind the eight ball right now. And that, ultimately, he did indeed create the situation.

    The only way to counter-act this though is to have homegrown players constantly filling the rotation, and Randy already kills Cashman for trying that in 08, so really they have no choice. The other options on the market weren’t any better in years past. What do you want Cash to do? Tell me how the Yankees DON’T HAVE 2 open spots right now.

    What moves would you guys make? Sometimes your players come up for Free Agency. It happens. The only way Cash is behind any 8-ball is if you absolutely believe the yankees will be sunk without Cliff Lee.

    As long as Lee doesn’t come to the AL East they are fine.

  156. Tom K December 7th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    “Randy I & SJ44:
    You should be playing for the Yankees with all the HR’s you guys are hitting tonight.
    Some folks are either blind or dumb, or both..”
    ===============================

    I believe you’re getting Randy I and SJ44 crossed up.

    SJ44 has been on target all day. While Randy has done nothing but hit into GIDP’s

  157. joeman December 7th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Lee isn’t coming here and Andy is going to retire…….

  158. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    You guys want Cash to cut Pettitte loose in the 09 offseason and sign lackey? Trade for someone else instead of Javy?

  159. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    KPB-

    Who gave you permission to appear here ?

  160. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Tom K December 7th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
    “Randy I & SJ44:
    You should be playing for the Yankees with all the HR’s you guys are hitting tonight.
    Some folks are either blind or dumb, or both..”
    ===============================

    I believe you’re getting Randy I and SJ44 crossed up.

    SJ44 has been on target all day. While Randy has done nothing but hit into GIDP’s

    slurp slurp slurp

  161. KPB December 7th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    MTU

    What’s this about you doing lines?

    How you been doing?

  162. Betsy December 7th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Melk Man, that’s what I said before- I agree. Cash shouldn’t be trying to speed this process up – he needs to give Lee all the time he wants, just like he did for CC (though that was after an offer had been made)

  163. Joe from Long Island December 7th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    randy – you know that I respect you and what you bring here. But, it’s pretty clear, at least from your comments here that you hate Brian Cashman, and think he’s incompetent. That seems to color how you see everything with the Yankees. Not to say you aren’t right about some things. And, I’m not trying to be an apologist, for Cashman or anyone else.

    Is it because of his career path, or something else? A lot of GMs haven’t played the game. And, how does this apply to other GMs?

  164. Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Yankees finished 8th of 13 AL teams in hits which translated into RISP difficulties and untimely slumps.

  165. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    KPB-

    Guess ?

    :)

    You ?

  166. joeman December 7th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    the circle jerk is never wrong….

  167. BIG AL December 7th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    ———————————————————————-
    As for the Rangers, remember, they had almost the same record this year, as the year before, and wouldn’t have won the division had the Angels not fallen apart. The Angels will be far superior next season, and even with Lee, the Rangers will not repeat. I think Lee and his agent realize this as well.

  168. LGY December 7th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    “A lot of GMs haven’t played the game. And, how does this apply to other GMs?”

    ——————–

    Cashman was probably a better baseball player than randy.

  169. Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    I LOVE YOU GUYS AND GALS!!!

    I’M PUMPED!!!

    GO YANKEES#%#!%$!

  170. MaineYankee December 7th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Jerkface

    He could’ve gotten into a bidding war for Lackey with the RS and had him locked up for 6 years.

  171. randy l. December 7th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    big al-

    on the plus side, it’s nice to see a day where a lot of the regulars who’ve been absent were all on the blog on the same day.

  172. KPB December 7th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    # MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    KPB-

    Who gave you permission to appear here ?
    ———————————-

    I found a lamp, rubbed it and was granted a wish. You might think it’s a waste, but it came true. For me to come back when the Jeter talk died down.

  173. the gay yankee fan December 7th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    jerkface – you even said yourself that the postseason is a “crapshoot.”

    Making your offense the best by “a mile” does not change that but making your rotation the most solid does.

    We don’t have to look very far back. Just look at the Giants. They arguably had the worst offense among all of the playoff teams and managed to beat every team they faced.

    Good pitching beats great hitting. Every time.

  174. Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    WOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

  175. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    I think Circle jerk is a National chain.

    Isn’t it ?

    I sometimes go in there for coffee.

    :)

  176. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    KPB-

    I thought you were smarter than that.

    You wasted a wish like THAT ?

    :)

  177. Tom in N.J. December 7th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Wang blowing out his shoulder was a big blow. This would have been his, what, last year arbitration eligible?

    CC
    Wang
    Hughes
    A.J.

    would have been under contract.

  178. joeman December 7th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    I think Circle jerk is a National chain.

    Isn’t it ?

    I sometimes go in there for coffee.

    ——————————————-
    nay…nay

    they know who they are

  179. PittsburghYankeeFan December 7th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Think like Braunecker, who is trying to get the best deal for Cliff Lee.

    Advised the guy to tell the Phillies he wanted to test FA, which has taken him and his family on a ride from Cleveland to Philly to Seattle to Texas in a 3 year span.

    Lee has seen his bud CC get a $161 for 7 from the NYY. Deep down, he thinks he’s as good (he’s probably right).

    The Yankees can work like the other 29 teams, and wait a few years to test out their great minor pitching depth in the show. With a $210 million payroll, I think not. Spoiled fans like us have only made it worse. We need to win now, and crush Boston always.

    Therefore, the Yankees, in a perverse way, need Lee more than he needs them. Why else do they almost trade their best hitting prospect in 10 years for a 3 month rental?

    Braunecker knows this, and is playing it to the hilt, as he should. The slow play, the supposed “love” of Texas, leaked offers of 7 years, not allowing the Yankees to bid yet…all are built towards extracting the maximum offer from the only team in MLB that can safely afford the poor last few years of the contract in value. Let’s face it—what other franchise could have survived Carl Pavano for 4 years?

    If I were him, I’d be doing the same. Problem is, you may get a mystery team in the mix. This may have happened. Cash may be trying to call this bluff–”Go to the Tiggers, says the elf!”

    It should be an interesting next 48 hours.

  180. Tom K December 7th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    “Cashman was probably a better baseball player than randy”
    ======================================

    BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

  181. KPB December 7th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    MTU

    As long as you don’t ask for cream, I think you’ll be ok.

  182. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    Al-

    You get me Lee, AP, and Matt Diaz and I’m a happy camper.

    Almost. ;)

  183. BIG AL December 7th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    randy l. December 7th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
    big al-

    on the plus side, it’s nice to see a day where a lot of the regulars who’ve been absent were all on the blog on the same day.

    ********************************************
    Agreed, and if folks can be civil, and carry on “Intelligent” conversations, all the better

  184. the gay yankee fan December 7th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    “Yankees finished 8th of 13 AL teams in hits which translated into RISP difficulties and untimely slumps.”

    Huh? How’d you figure that?

    They lead all of baseball in runs scored. What that says is that even even with the fewer hits, they managed to make the most of it when it counted the most: with RISP.

    And when did slumps ever been timely?

  185. Tom in N.J. December 7th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    Doesn’t Cash still hold baseball records at Catholic U?

  186. randy l. December 7th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    joe from long island-

    i don’t hate cashman.

    i just don’t think he’s any big deal.

    if he was, he could put a winning team together without having to sign a cliff lee almost every year.

  187. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    KPB-

    I always drink my coffee black. ;)

  188. BIG AL December 7th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    MTU -

    You know better than to drink coffee this late, you’ll be up night stuck talking to me.

  189. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    Al-

    Dreamer !

  190. Mike Ri December 7th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    new post guys . gals —->

  191. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Al-

    After the what happened to the Jets yesterday that sounds good to me.

  192. Tom K December 7th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    “# Tom in N.J. December 7th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

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    randy -

    To an extent I agree, not completely, but, if we are to believe the pitching talent on the farm is as good as it’s been hyped to be, this S/B the last major FA pitcher signed in a while. Then any excess pieces can be used in trades to get position players, which we are short on in our system.

    The toughest players to develop, pitchers and catchers, are our strong suit.

  194. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    What kind of records ?

    For prayer ?

    :)

  195. BIG AL December 7th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    MTU -

    I’m a NY Giant fan, so Sunday was a good day for me. I do like the Jets as well, unless they’re play the Giants. Yesterday was a real beat down, but, they’re still a good young team, and I think they’ll bounce back, keep the faith.

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    The GM’s that are interested in dealing or signing at the meeting are waiting anxiously with what happens for who blinks first to a Cliff Lee deal and how the Jayson Werth deal affected any of the remaining high profile players out there. Then the floodgates open whether it’s at the meetings or shortly after.

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    Where is Detroit getting all this money from to be signing big contracts?

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    The Tigers had 6th largest MLB payroll in 2010 and are about 11th as far as overall markets go. Wouldn’t be too surprising if they were in on Lee…

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