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Day 2 begins in Orlando

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 07, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

ph_424324This could very well be the day Derek Jeter officially re-signs with the Yankees. If that happens, it could easily overshadow anything else that happens with the team down in here in Florida.

Then again, there’s always Cliff Lee.

Jeter is the Yankees icon, but Lee is their primary offseason target and Ken Rosenthal reported last night that there are some who expect Lee to receive a seven-year offer. The Yankees don’t seem likely to offer that many years to a 32-year-old.

It’s easy to look at Jayson Werth’s seven-year deal and believe that creates precedent for Lee, but Werth is a year younger and a position player. Cashman made it clear yesterday that Werth’s deal will have no impact on his offer to Lee.

“I know what and where we’re willing to go,” Cashman said. “It’s not going to impact us.”

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  1. jacksquat December 7th, 2010 at 8:40 am

    MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:31 am
    Swish, Joba, Banuelos, Betances, and Romine for Upton.

    Who hangs up first ? Towers or Cash ?

    Hopefully Cashman…

  2. Betsy December 7th, 2010 at 8:42 am

    7 years is a deal breaker. Either Lee wants to be a Yankee or he doesn’t……..6 years should be good enough.

  3. blake December 7th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    MTU,

    That’s a lot of talent going to Arizona. My guess is that Towers would probably do that deal…..if you sub Brackman for Baneulos I might do it myself. Its a lot to give up but you are getting a young cost controlled potential superstar in return.

  4. jacksquat December 7th, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Yankees should not go 7 under any circumstances.

    I don’t think any other team would go 7. Yankees can pay more over 6 than any other team. That should do it.

    I don’t even like 6 years to be honest. In the 6th year he would turn 38. But it looks like that’s where the market is.

  5. JK December 7th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Swish, Joba, Banuelos, Betances, and Romine

    better bring you back Felix Hernandez or Josh Joshnson….. not Upton with a questionable shoulder

  6. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Is Mo “officially” back yet? When was his physical?

  7. blake December 7th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Werth’s deal has nothing to do with the actual market. The Nationals clearly paid well above market value to get a big free agent to sign with them. I really don’t see the rest of the teams blowing up the market just because the Nationals are crazy.

  8. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:46 am

    OK people.

    It was only a hypothetical.

    I’m retiring as a GM anyway.

    What’s the big deal ? All I did was toss one little match.

    :)

  9. JK December 7th, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Most i do for Lee is 5 guaranteed with a vested option for 6

  10. blake December 7th, 2010 at 8:47 am

    JK,

    Then you aren’t getting him and will either be trading for Greinke or having a questionable rotation.

  11. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:48 am

    The Yankees can go seven on Lee under 1 circumstance IMO.

    If they “Jeter” Lee. Meaning that the 7th year is a pefromance based
    option.

    I would not want to give him a 7th year guaranteed at a high $ amount and I love me some Cliff Lee.

  12. JK December 7th, 2010 at 8:48 am

    Halladay @ same age got 3 years + vested option

    Yankees should offer 4 guaranteed + vested option, pushed to 5 if needed, 5 years + vested option to close deal.

  13. Web December 7th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:31 am
    Swish, Joba, Banuelos, Betances, and Romine for Upton.

    Who hangs up first ? Towers or Cash ?

    ————————————————

    Might as well give them Montero too. And perhaps give them a 51% ownership in the Yankees. And perhaps Cashman’s first born………

  14. JK December 7th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    blake

    so be it……. see ya Lee

  15. blake December 7th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    It will take at least 6 guaranteed for Lee… the rangers will offer 5 and Lee’s agent will claim he’s going back to Texas unless the Yankees top it.

  16. blake December 7th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Halladay never played the process out. Totally different situation, he gave the Phillies a pretty big discount, had he made it to free agency he would have commanded every bit as much as Lee and maybe more.

  17. JEKIKASO December 7th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    MTU, must have been 1 hell of a match :-)

  18. JK December 7th, 2010 at 8:52 am

    Lee has no allegiance to Texas, he’s been there for 5 min.

    If the Rangers offer 5….. the Yankees will offer 5 @ a slightly higher AAV…. and make him decide

  19. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:53 am

    Blake-

    It would seem we have the necessary pieces to do a deal for JU.

    It’s merely a question of wether or not Cash wants to get something done.

    He could make the package irresistable if he wants to, huh ? ;)

    The big question is ? Will he ?

  20. SJ44 December 7th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Easy to say, “so be it”, when it’s not your decision to make.

    Cliff Lee is going to get 6 years because that’s when his market is trending right now.

    Free agent markets take on a life of their own.

    This winter, money is flowing again and you aren’t signing Lee unless you go 6 years.

    The Yankees will go 6 years if that’s what it takes to get the deal done.

  21. blake December 7th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    I would do Swisher, Joba, Brackman, Betances, and Romine for Upton. I would hate it, but Id do it. You’re getting a cornerstone player and cutting payroll at the same time. I don’t know if Towers would do that deal but something like that or more is what it would take.

  22. JK December 7th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Only way they go to 6 is if someone else goes to 6 or 7 first & I want to see who that team is at 23M per year other than the Yankees.

  23. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Hey. I got an idea. Let’s be like the Suxers and use “creative financing” to get Lee.

    Yeah. that’s the ticket ! ;)

  24. JK December 7th, 2010 at 8:58 am

    blake

    2 players off his roster and 3 of his top 5 prospects for a player that had a down year and may need shoulder surgery in the future.

    There is no way Cashman makes that deal

  25. Crawdaddy December 7th, 2010 at 8:59 am

    I have a hard time believing some other team is going to offer Lee over 20M per for seven years.

  26. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 8:59 am

    If I need to trade for a frontline starter I’m going for a left-hander if possible.

    Like who you ask ?

    Always liked the name Clayton. John, as in, Danks wouldn’t be bad either. ;)

  27. Crawdaddy December 7th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    I don’t know why some are discussing this Upton trade because it’s not going to happen when Cashman’s focus is on pitching.

  28. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2010 at 9:01 am

    The Yankees will go 6 years if that’s what it takes to get the deal done.
    ————————————————-

    The question is will the Yankees go 7 years to get the deal done or will they start unloading some of their prospects to find a capable starter?

  29. jacksquat December 7th, 2010 at 9:01 am

    The only problem if the Rangers offer 5, and the Yankees want to offer 5, is they have to both compensate for higher taxes in NY, and then add on more.

    It’s likely they will overpay. It’s similar to the Posada contract situation where there really weren’t any good alternatives. Without Lee, if Andy retires they are left with only CC, Hughes and Burnett. Then the other two starters would have to come from a pool of mediocre free agents, high injury risk free agents, in house minor leaguers, Sergio Mitre, or they would have to try to trade high end prospects for a good pitcher on another team.

  30. Crawdaddy December 7th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    “Only way they go to 6 is if someone else goes to 6 or 7 first & I want to see who that team is at 23M per year other than the Yankees.”

    Me too, I can see some team over 19M per for seven years, but that will still be short of what the Yankees will offer such as 22-23M per for six years.

  31. blake December 7th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    Jk,

    The Yanks goal isn’t for Scranton to have the best rotation in AAA and Romine is expendable. Its a risk and I honestly don’t know if Cashman would do it or not….just saying it would probably take something like that and if that would get it done I wound consider it.

  32. JK December 7th, 2010 at 9:03 am

    I hope cash is looking into…

    Braun, Kemp, Rasmus, Bruce & Upton

  33. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:03 am

    Craw-

    For as long as Man has been on the Earth some have always looked up at the Stars and dreamed ?

    I agree with you 1000%. Pitching is, and always should be, the #1
    priority.

  34. raymagnetic December 7th, 2010 at 9:03 am

    Lee will go wherever the most money is. He’s as mercenary as they come otherwise he wouldn’t be dragging out the process like he has and would have been signed.

    Who cares about whether he “wants” to be a Yankee or not? He wants the money and the Yankees have plenty to satisfy his insatiable hunger.

  35. JK December 7th, 2010 at 9:04 am

    blake,

    I understand what your saying but that deal is for a player with no injury concerns with performance. Upton is not that guy.

  36. blake December 7th, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Because discussing Upton is interesting to some…..you don’t have to if you don’t want to. Only so many times you can discuss Cliff Lee…..everyone knows the Yankees need him.

  37. Crawdaddy December 7th, 2010 at 9:04 am

    “I hope cash is looking into…

    Braun, Kemp, Rasmus, Bruce & Upton”

    I hope Cash is looking into pitching because that is what wins WS championships.

  38. blake December 7th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    JK,

    Of course you don’t make a deal like that if the medicals show the shoulder is a concern…..im operating on the assumption that a 23 year old will heal and be ok.

  39. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Can anyone think of any other teams that could be seriously involved in giving Lee a large payday other than the Yankees, Rangers, maybe the Angels, Tigers, and Nationals?

  40. blake December 7th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Cashman is looking into pitching….he’s all over Cliff Lee and can do nothing else but wait on Andy to make a decision. They sign those two as is their plan then they have the best and deepest rotation in baseball. Its a pretty simple plan on the pitching front…

  41. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Brian Cashman has proven once again that he is a born multi-tasker.

    For example, it is a known fact that he can rappell down a 20 story building while still talking deals on his phone.

    The Man is good.

    :)

  42. Bob December 7th, 2010 at 9:10 am

    So San Diego did not consult the many other MLB teams for a better package in return for A Gon? They admit they could not resign him. Where does all the revenue sharing money go ?

  43. JK December 7th, 2010 at 9:10 am

    Craw,

    I’m assuming they get Lee. If they do then I’m comfortable with Pettitte or establishing Nova into a larger trade chip as the #5 while Noesi, Mitchell & Phelps get their innings in @ AAA.

  44. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    “Who cares about whether he “wants” to be a Yankee or not? He wants the money and the Yankees have plenty to satisfy his insatiable hunger.”

    Agreed. I don’t think the guy’s a mercenary exactly, but I could care less if he wants to be a Yankee. I think fans just get too caught up in that stuff.

  45. blake December 7th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    I think the Tigers could be a wild card in the Lee sweepstakes….they would potentially overpay a guy to put Lee and Verlander atop their rotation. I don’t think Lee would go to the Nats or Orioles…..he wants to win.

  46. upstate kate December 7th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    not to mention he took out a red sox grinch on his way down…Cash has saved Christmas!

  47. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:13 am

    Blake-

    Let’s keep right on speculating.

    It’s fun.

    We’re not Chip or Bret afterall.

    :)

  48. JK December 7th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Yankee Trader,

    Don’t see the Nationals. I think they go after Pavano.

    Tigers don’t usually pay pitchers

    Maybe the Os, Rangers, Yankees, Angels, Brewers (they still have that 100M they offered CC)

  49. upstate kate December 7th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Shame
    yeah, just like AGon has always been a red sox fan, despite living on the west coast, and Johnny Damon always wanted to be a tiger

  50. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    pat -

    About the revenue from 2009 post-season –

    Only compelling argument I can really agree with regarding the importance of having home field advantage is the financial one – guaranteed 2 home dates per round.

  51. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    When it comes to ballplayers, “Money CAN buy us love.”

    :)

  52. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    But you can’t leave your system with no one ready to call up in a “just in case” situation – a situation, btw, which seems to have hit the Yankees almost every single year for quite a while now. :?

  53. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Doreen-

    Our cup runneth over. ;)

  54. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:20 am

    And our cupboard is FAR from bare.

  55. blake December 7th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Doreen,

    Phelps, Nova, Noesi, etc.

    To me, the Yankees top young assets are Hughes, Montero, and Baneulos. If it were possible for them to get Upton and keep those 3 guys then I think you seriously have to check into it…..that may not be a possibility though, I have no idea. Just playin a little pretend GM ;)

  56. Bronx Jeers December 7th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    If the Yanks land Lee and Pettite returns they’ll have 70-75 million tied up on just the rotation.

    The infield costs about the same.

    Better sign Crawford. It’s starting to look like skid row back there.

  57. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Blake-

    It’s all Erica’s fault ! She started “pretend” on this blog. ;)

  58. Ghost of Steinbrenner December 7th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    I just have a feeling that Cliff Lee is a Mike Hampton waiting to happen. So a 6 or 7 year deal is out of the question. Maybe 5 years with extra money per year otherwise let the Rangers have him.

  59. JK December 7th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Doreen

    The Yankees depth is

    Nova (#5 or @ AAA)
    Mitre (in pen)
    Phelps (@ AAA)
    Noesi (@ AAA)
    Mitchell (@ AAA)

  60. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2010 at 9:26 am

    upstate kate – Exactly!!

  61. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    blake -

    Which of the “Bs” is more likely to be a closer? Is it Brackman or Betances? (I’m assuming Banuelo looks to be a starter?)

    I would want to keep Banuelos and one of the other two (whichever looks to be the best bet to close).

    But also, Banuelos is 2 years away? One?

    The cup may runneth over, but I wouldn’t want to give away the wrong one(s).

  62. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    I was thinking.

    Pink Floyd is better than Gavin Floyd, Right ?

    ;)

  63. Ghost of Steinbrenner December 7th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    And please stop this talk about Upton! They want too much. He won’t hit American league pitchers like he has the National League and his defense is just alright! Come on now!

  64. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    “If it were possible for them to get Upton and keep those 3 guys then I think you seriously have to check into it”

    Blake – I agree completely. I just wish I had more info on the B’s because I’ve seen a lot of debate on the blog and it seems that people are torn as to which guy will be a better pitcher.

  65. LGY December 7th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    The Cardinals are shopping Brendan Ryan. He was beyond awful last year, but in 2009 he was really solid especially when you consider his defense.

    If the Yankees think he can rebound, he would be worth looking into as the utility IF.

  66. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    JK -

    I have to look at Mitchell and Phelps. Not that familiar with their work. I have seen Noesi pitch and was impressed – he worked quickly, threw strikes, in AA Trenton.

  67. BIG AL December 7th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    This just in from Cashman’s suit, MTU is not a member of our team, and he is not permitted to make any deals that would empty our farm system for a player with “potential”, and shoulder problems.

  68. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Doreen-

    SJ has said that the Yankees self-scout as well as anyone.

    They’ll know who to part with when the time comes.

  69. JK December 7th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    AAA
    Nova
    Phelps
    Noesi
    Mitchell
    Brackman

    AA
    Stoneburner
    Betances
    Banuelos
    Warren

    A+
    Marshall
    Ramirez

    All these guys can’t make the Yankees rotation. Deals are going to happen soon.

  70. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Shame Spencer -

    I agree – they 3B’s are usually grouped together in any discussion and it’s not that easy to keep them straight.

  71. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Yankees Happy 43rd Birthday, Tino Martinez! http://bit.ly/hJsWmZ #Yankees

  72. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Al-

    C’mon. Can’t you give me a least a little leeway ?

  73. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Attached is a list of arbitration eligible players from Cots,on each team.

    Can you find any pitchers that might be made available in trade, and might interest the Yankees, from teams looking to lower payroll? Nolasco, Sanchez from the Marlins? Wandy Rodriguez from the Astros?

    http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.c.....ibles.html

  74. LGY December 7th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Oh man, incarcerated bob said Lee to the Yankees?

    Time to PANIC!

  75. BIG AL December 7th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    MTU -

    In your case , very little! Good morning.

  76. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Al-

    It’s not like if you give me an inch I’ll take a mile. ;)

  77. JK December 7th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    Doreen

    Phelps is better than Noesi.

  78. sander December 7th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    A 7th year is ridiculous. Even 6 is a stretch..

  79. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    JK -

    I also liked Stoneburner (saw him pitch last spring vs. Lakewood) – another guy who worked fast, threw lots of strikes. He was virtually unhittable the day I say him. He had an injury, though, no?

    I know they can’t/won’t keep all of them. And I suppose that if they sign Lee, they can afford to give away someone who profiles as a top of the rotation starter. But wouldn’t it be nice if the Yankees could have 5 top of the rotation starters in their rotation? (Or 4, depending on AJ’s bounceback).

  80. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    I have been saying for a long time that there is a logjam developing at the upper levels of the Yankee’s Milb teams.

    Bring in the beavers !

    :)

  81. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    LGY December 7th, 2010 at 9:32 am
    Oh man, incarcerated bob said Lee to the Yankees?

    Time to PANIC!

    *************************
    LOL

  82. coney1 December 7th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    AndrewMarchand

    The question that is developing here is will the Nats go seven years on Cliff Lee or is there another team?

  83. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 December 7th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Happy Birthday Tino! Words cannot describe how much I love that man.

  84. BIG AL December 7th, 2010 at 9:36 am

    I’ll bet the Nats will continue to over pay to get the FA they want, and if there’s a 7th year out there for Lee, it’ll be coming from the Nats.

    Please don’t kid yourselves, the Nats are serious contenders for Lee, and could very well get him. Their owner has a ton of money, and he is being called the second coming og GMS III.

  85. Fran the original December 7th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Agreed. I don’t think the guy’s a mercenary exactly, but I could care less if he wants to be a Yankee.
    *************************
    Hi Shame,

    You’re right. Remember when they said CC did not want to play on the East Coast. CC took the Yankees money and now lives in NJ year round. Money talks. Cliff Lee will take the most money and I hope that is the Yankees.

  86. BIG AL December 7th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    of > not og

  87. blake December 7th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Doreen,

    Banuelos seems to be the best bet to remain a starter, is the youngest, and is left handed. Id like for them to keep him. You read conflicting reports on whether Brackman and Betances can remain starters. They both could and they both have huge upside….who knows. Too many pitchers is a wonderful problem to have.

  88. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    NYY626 -

    Last night I was watching the HOPE week retrospective (I had missed 3 of the 5 HOPE week stories during the season). They showed Tino going to the house of the woman who is blind, and she felt his face and said, “My you are handsome!” He sure is!

  89. pat December 7th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Doreen

    $8 million per game before concessions. Hal felt poorer everytime Girardi and the players said they didn’t care about home field.

  90. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Al-

    Agents love finding that “one dumb owner”. ;)

  91. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    NYY626 – Andy in 2011 December 7th, 2010 at 9:35 am
    Happy Birthday Tino! Words cannot describe how much I love that man.

    ***************************
    Everybody loves Tino. :)

  92. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    I think NYY626 is having a “pretend” fling with Tino even though she really loves AP. ;)

  93. Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    When Lee signs, 4 (CC, Lee, Hughes, Burnett) rotations spots will be locked for the next 3 years. At the most, there’s 1 rotation spot open from 2011 – 2013.

    There are literally 10 guys now in AA and AAA vying for 1 rotation spot while AJ Burnett is still under contract. Most, if not all of them, will be ML ready before 2014.

    The 3 killer B’s and the other higher rated ones will likely be ready well before 2014.

    There will be a trade and it won’t be for a starter.

    You have to target a superstar OF because the INF is set.

    That’s why we’re talking about Upton.

  94. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    blake -

    So people mostly want to keep Banuelos because he’s a lefty and because he is most likely to stay a starter? I’m just trying to get a handle on the situation, not making a challenge. :) And the other two are mainly interchangeable? Do Brackman and Betances have particular idiosyncracies that make them less likely to start in the long term? Injury-prone? Faulty mechanics?

    Am I correct that Banuelos is NOT a power arm, but that the other two are? (As I said, I am really confused about who is who). Banuelos had an appendix operation, I think? Which is the very tall one who could be a Randy Johnson?

  95. BIG AL December 7th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    MTU -

    How dumb can he be if he’s that rich. He has a bunch of young studs, will get more top draft picks this year, and my money says they are comtending in the NL east within 3 years.

    Yes, he must well over pay now to get players to sign there, but, once they establish they can be contenders, players will be much easier to attack to D.C.

  96. Bronx Jeers December 7th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    This is what I’m talking about.

    Look at this tweet C-Grand just sent out.

    Curtis Granderson
    Does anyone on here work for Orbitz? Their Orbitz Price Assurance program is refunding me some money for a flight cause someone else booked it cheaper. Good to know that program actually works!

    We already know he shops at Target. Meanwhile ARod is using 100$ bills as napkins. Jeter wants 20 mil to OPS .700

    Have you seen the way Swisher dresses? The guy wears T-shirts. In public! I won’t even get into poor Brett Gardner.

    It’s embarrassing. The outfield needs cash relief. Signing Crawford would be a good start.

  97. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Doreen – glad to see you’re back. The only ‘B’ I tend to remember is Brackman cause its the only name I can spell, and as I understand things he is the least talented :)

    Fran – The CC thing is a prime example. But I have to give upstate kate some credit , because I didn’t even remember Johnny Damon saying he only wanted to ever be a Tiger…

  98. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Before I die I just want to see Erin and Essme mud wrestle over a signed Cano ball.

    Just one time.

    :)

  99. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 9:27 am
    blake -

    Which of the “Bs” is more likely to be a closer? Is it Brackman or Betances? (I’m assuming Banuelo looks to be a starter?)

    I would want to keep Banuelos and one of the other two (whichever looks to be the best bet to close).

    But also, Banuelos is 2 years away? One?

    The cup may runneth over, but I wouldn’t want to give away the wrong one(s).

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Doreen, just my opinion, but, the best closer candidate would be brackman, He really started to blossom when they put him into the bullpen in 2009. His mechanics came around and the speed on his fastball jumped from 93-94 MPH to 97 MPH+.

    Banuelos is strictly a #1 or #2 type starter. As he matures, his fastball with probably stay in the 95 MPH+ range and he’s got at least 3 other pitches, including a sharp curve and a stop ‘em in their tracks change-up. He’ll be in Scranton by mid summer if there is room for him because of promotion or injury.

    Others like Ramirez and Marshall will possibly start in Tampa and move up fast. Hall, Warren and Stoneburner are also due for promotions. bleich will probably start in Tampa until the weather warms up.

    Betances is a right handed Sabathia type.

  100. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    pat -

    Poor Hal! ;)

  101. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Al-

    It was an attempt at humor. ;)

  102. Patrick December 7th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Bret,

    I would be totally comfortable trading Brackman or Betances for a stud OF. Your logic is sound…

  103. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    And the other two are mainly interchangeable? Do Brackman and Betances have particular idiosyncracies that make them less likely to start in the long term? Injury-prone? Faulty mechanics?

    Am I correct that Banuelos is NOT a power arm, but that the other two are?

    Betances is a power arm and the best of the 3. His problem is fielding. Brackman throws hard but was very wild. They toned down his velocity into the 93-94 range and got his control tightened up, and I think this season he should move back up into the mid-upper 90s.

    Banuelos can touch 95-96 but lives in the low 90s, but because of his advanced pitching feel and left handedness it makes him a better shot to reach the majors.

    Brackman and Betances both have had arm surgery.

  104. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 December 7th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 9:37 am
    NYY626 -

    Last night I was watching the HOPE week retrospective (I had missed 3 of the 5 HOPE week stories during the season). They showed Tino going to the house of the woman who is blind, and she felt his face and said, “My you are handsome!” He sure is!
    ________________________________________________
    That lady cracked me up when she did that! One of my friends is a big sox fan but absolutely loves Tino, so I emailed her that clip from Hope week. She loved it.

  105. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Patrick-

    And his heart is true. Blue.

    :)

  106. Tom in N.J. December 7th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Doreen, When the blind lady was introduced to Paul O’Neill , I must admit, I welled up a bit. Happiness shocks me to tears.

  107. pat December 7th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Did owners have all their money tied up in CDs that just came due?

    Where was all the money last year that is available to teams this year?

  108. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 December 7th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:40 am
    I think NYY626 is having a “pretend” fling with Tino even though she really loves AP.
    ________________________________________________
    What I’m only allowed to love one player? That’s no fun :( lol

  109. Fran the original December 7th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    But I have to give upstate kate some credit , because I didn’t even remember Johnny Damon saying he only wanted to ever be a Tiger…
    ***************************
    Me neither. Good job Kate. Wonder what team Damon always wanted to play for this time around.

  110. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    SI_JonHeyman #yankees won’t go for downs or other type A relievers bec they want to keep draft choices.

  111. BIG AL December 7th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, I do not want Upton. He is a player with “Potential”, and one that has had shoulder problems the last 2 seasons. Last year he missed Sep. due to the injury.

    I’ll pay Crawford $$$, and keep my prospects for other deals down the line.

    Remember, his brother had a great 1st season then feel off, and Justin had a great 1st season, then tailed off. Don’t want to take that risk.

    If I were to give up top prospects right now for an OF, I contact the Indians and ask about Choo. This is a player worth giving up talent for.

  112. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    GB7 -

    With Mo getting on in age, even though he signed a 2-year deal, I think it behooves the Yankees to try and see what Brackman can do as a closer, just in case. If Betances is a CC type – and they already have CC – I would see him as expendable. Banuelos sounds almost 2G2BT – to good to be true! :) I hope I have a chance to see him in Trenton before he gets that promotion to SWB.

  113. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:43 am
    Before I die I just want to see Erin and Essme mud wrestle over a signed Cano ball.

    Just one time.

    ************************************
    LOL

    I think I scared her off-I haven’t seen her around here in a long time. ;)

  114. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    NYY626-

    My mistake. :(

  115. LGY December 7th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Jeers

    :lol:

  116. BIG AL December 7th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Later -got to go.

  117. coney1 December 7th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Buster_ESPN

    There is a growing speculation among rival agents and executives that the Washington Nationals are going to throw a HUGE number at Cliff Lee

  118. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Thanks, Jerkface.

    I’m going to try and keep them straight!

  119. Patrick December 7th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    SI_JonHeyman #yankees won’t go for downs or other type A relievers bec they want to keep draft choices.

    Countdown to Chip disagreeing with Heyman…

  120. JK December 7th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    When it comes to prospect pitchers. Give me the pitcher with a plus change up every time.

    Banuelos = plus fastball, plus changeup, lefty & 20 years old

  121. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Erin-

    To the Victoress goeth the spoils ! ;)

  122. ac1 December 7th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Buster_ESPN There is a growing speculation among rival agents and executives that the Washington Nationals are going to throw a HUGE number at Cliff Lee
    ___

    Didn’t we discuss this last night?

    And our conclusion is if he wants to win, he wont go there, even for 7 years.

  123. pat December 7th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Buster_ESPN There is a growing speculation among rival agents and executives that the Washington Nationals are going to throw a HUGE number at Cliff Lee

    ed_price #Rangers met last night with agents for Brandon Webb.

  124. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Doreen, watching Brackman stomping in out of the pen was like watching Gossage coming in. He scared the bejeebus out of the hitters.

  125. coney1 December 7th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    ac1,

    Don’t kid yourself, he will go to the highest bidder.

  126. ac1 December 7th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    but just like the yankees, the nats have every right to overpay to get a good player to come there. i actually admire what they are doing. i lived in washington when the nats came to town and it was just awful.

  127. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    It seems that the owner of the Nats has indeed read “Building a Baseball team for Dummies”.

    or

    “How to be the Yankees made simple. ”

    :)

  128. coney1 December 7th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    If the Nationals spend $175M on Lee on top of the $120M already spent on Werth, I don’t want to hear anymore about the Yankees ruining baseball.

  129. upstate kate December 7th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Fran
    I think Johnny D must be kicking himself every day not to have taken the Yankees offer last year
    sorry about your Jets :(

  130. blake December 7th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Doreen,

    Just from what I’ve read and the little bit I’ve seen them…..Brackman would be the one I would most easily part with. He’s the oldest and most likely to become a reliever, but he’s also probably the closest to the big leagues. Betances could turn into a monster. I’ve heard it described as Betances has the highest ceiling of the 3 but Banuelos has the highest floor and is probably the most likely to reach his potential. Lefties in YS are always in high demand and when I watched him pitch I saw a little Johan Santana in their.

  131. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Banuelos will open the season in Trenton, if for no other reason than there’s no room right now in Scranton. Innings and physical maturity is his only drawback.

  132. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    The Nationals getting Lee is the best thing that could happen to us other than getting him ourselves. We’d never have to see him during the year or in the playoffs.

  133. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    The talk about us having so many young pitchers is exciting. I’m convinced the Yanks will continue to draft mostly pitchers and catchers knowing they’re the hottest commodity in baseball and that they can bring back the biggest returns.

  134. Carl December 7th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    # GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Banuelos will open the season in Trenton, if for no other reason than there’s no room right now in Scranton. Innings and physical maturity is his only drawback.

    Betances, Brackman, and Banuelos all start in AA? Or does Brackman start AAA in the pen?

  135. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Will not surprise me at all if the Nats offer Lee the biggest deal. They seem to have the money. They made a statement that they are serious by overpaying Werth. I still don’t see them being able to be playoff contenders in as consistent a manner as the Yankees, and I don’t know if Cliff Lee and his agent are taking that into consideration, but they started out well last season before they tailed off. The NL East, aside from the Phillies, seems “up for grabs” if a team can make themselves stand out. But Lee can’t pitch every day, so I would think he’d have to think about the players/pitchers that surround him.

  136. Patrick December 7th, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Here is my take on the 3 big pitching prospects we have:

    Brackman – I can’t decide who has the highest upside between Brackman and Betances. Both are big righties with big velocity. However, I’d probably say that Brackman has the most risk. He is probably the most likely to be in the bullpen long term.

    Betances – Raw righty who finally put it together last season. Has had injury problems but it looks like he’s ready to break out.

    Banuelos – Has the lowest ceiling of the three but is left-handed which is huge. While he might not end up being better than Brackman or Betances, he is the most likely to stick in the rotation and is the most likely to reach the majors. This means he has the most current trade value. If I had to pick one to keep it would be Banuelos.

    Just my 2 cents, I’m no prospect expert like some others on here…

  137. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Good morning.

    Any thought that a player “wanting to play for the Yankees” is considered some sort of prerequisite is misguided. They are professionals and taking a job because it pays more is perfectly appropriate.

    Regarding Cliff Lee. I hope he agrees to the six-year deal that seems to be the Yankees ceiling. If not, it will be more than interesting to see the Cashman scramble that is sure to follow. The game is pitching, pitching, pitching, especially in the AL East and everyone knows that.

    Look out for the Nats. Ownership is carrying $3 billion dollars around in their pocket; that’s Steinbrenner money.

    I also have to be a little concerned looking at Sabathia as a sure thing, given how many innings he’s pitched. I hope he is as healthy and effective in 2011, but who knows. Our rotation as it stands right now is shaky at best.

    There is a little too much fawning going on over our prospects IMO. Yes, many of them look promising, but how many times has a vaunted minor league player not work out. Some of them are may be as valuable now as they ever will be as trade chips — and that is certainly one objective in developing a good minor league pipeline.

    Hot stove getting hotter.

  138. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    Betances and Brackman will/should open in Scranton, bit Brackman could go north with the Yankees, working out of the bullpen.

  139. blake December 7th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    The Nats reportedly offered Teixera a bigger deal than the Yanks as well right. Nobody wants to go there so their offer would have to be substantially more than other teams for Lee to go there…..like them offering 2 more years and 35 million more dollars to Werth.

  140. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Somebody correct me if I’m wrong-but didn’t the Nats offer Tex the highest contract?

  141. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Shame -

    I agree. If the Yankees can’t get him – at least let him be in the other league. Didn’t they face him like a hundred times last season between the Mariners and the Rangers????? :?

    But if they don’t get Cliff Lee – question marks abound.

  142. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Never mind-blake answered my question. :)

  143. JK December 7th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    GB,

    Cant see Betances in Scranton, both him and Manban had around 14-15 innings @ AA + playoff innings. Brackman will be @ AAA with 80 AA innings under his belt

  144. blake December 7th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Erin,
    Yes, IMO Washington would have to blow everyone else out of the water for Lee to go there as they did with Jason Werth.

  145. rodg12 December 7th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Will this year be the last year Brackman has an option to be sent down?

  146. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Time to get shopping.

    It’s been fun this morning.

  147. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    JK December 7th, 2010 at 10:01 am
    GB,

    Cant see Betances in Scranton, both him and Manban had around 14-15 innings @ AA + playoff innings. Brackman will be @ AAA with 80 AA innings under his belt

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    All depends on which of Trenton and Scranton has the room for Betances.

  148. JK December 7th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    rodg12,

    I think they have more options on Brackman

  149. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    I’m glad Cashman finally came out yesterday and admitted that Hal is tighter with money than his dad was. Duh.

  150. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 7th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Does anyone know why the Nats have so much $$$ to spend? Is there owner a captain of industry?

  151. Bronx Jeers December 7th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Somebody needs to get this article to Cliff Lee stat and tell him that deer hunting is for girly-men.

    By next December he could be killing bears from the comfort of his back porch!

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.s.....in_of.html

  152. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    I’m really not worried about this rumor of Buster’s about the Nationals.

    They’re trying to deal Josh Willingham to clear salary space but they somehow have the money to sign Cliff Lee? Something doesn’t add up about that.

  153. JK December 7th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    GB,

    Problem is Scranton has no room at all if Nova is not the #5 in NY

  154. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    strasburg
    zimmerman
    harper
    werth
    lee ?

    Not too shabby. ;)

  155. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Laura-

    We’re good friends. I’m bankrolling him.

  156. rodg12 December 7th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    JK,

    Yeah, looks like they’ve used 2 options on Brackman so far (2009 and 2010). Will have one this year for sure and should be able to get a 4th for next year.

  157. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Ledger_Yankees Just saw workers changing the signage on the outside of the Dolphin hotel. The new signs read “Welcome to Cliff Lee’s ATM.”

    :lol:

  158. pat December 7th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    If Andy is waffling on retirement, I wonder if he would consider a partial season contract beginning June 1 because his kids would be out of school then.

  159. 86w183 December 7th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Young Jonny Damon always dreamed about being a Yomiuri Giant

  160. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Laura -

    On XM yesterday they were talking about the Nats owner – sounds like they’re in real estate, from what they were saying. Something about them having spent millions on buildings that are empty, so why not spend millions on a player that at least people can come out and see.

  161. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Nova’s a good bet to go in a trade as far as I’m concerned. He’s good, but not as good as the rest.

  162. Doreen December 7th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    And now, I’m really off.

  163. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Look out for the Nats. Ownership is carrying $3 billion dollars around in their pocket; that’s Steinbrenner money.

    Steinbrenner has never been the richest owner, only the one most willing to put into his team.

  164. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    SI_JonHeyman Source: #nats “very much” in on cliff lee. Rumor is they may throw out 7 year offer.

  165. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    “If Andy is waffling on retirement, I wonder if he would consider a partial season contract beginning June 1 because his kids would be out of school then.”

    I was thinking about something like this too but I have to say while I don’t know how the Yankees feel about it I’m not crazy about the precedent it sets. I didn’t like it with Roger and I would like it even less with Andy since I’m so partial to him..

  166. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    They’re trying to deal Josh Willingham to clear salary space but they somehow have the money to sign Cliff Lee? Something doesn’t add up about that

    I don’t think they are trying to trade Willingham to clear salary. On XM Rizzo was interviewed and said they are trying to build a nucleaus around zimmerman and strasberg and harper(should he make it). Its more like, anyone who isn’t going to be there long term is up for grabs.

  167. Bronx Jeers December 7th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    The Nats want to move out of the NL East basement. But who’s moving in? Mets or Marlins? I say it’s the Mets.

    What better way to celebrate the 25th anniversary of your last championship by giving your fans a 5th place finish?

  168. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    I am not 100% sure on how going on the 60-day DL affects minor league options but Brackman signed a major league deal which meant putting him on the 40 man. He has been burning options every year in the minors. If you count the 60-day DL stint, then it means he is going to have his 4th and final option this year(for having less than 5 years pro)

  169. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Some other things I don’t get:

    What the heck are the Rockies doing giving Ty Wiggington 4 mil a year for 2 years to serve as a backup player? And if they’re not planning to use him in a bench role, where’s he playing? 2b?

  170. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    “we are looking into guys you WOULDN’T think would be on our radar”.

    “We will move ANY player in the right deal.”

    Cashman being Cashman ?

    ;)

  171. spidanyc December 7th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    A) Swisher for Broxton or B) Cervelli and David Robertson for Broxton. WHat do you guys think?

  172. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    There was speculation yesterday that Cashman asked Andy to hold off on announcing his retirement until the end of Free Agency – the flaw in that logic is that it was Cashman who told Bob Klapisch that he thinks Andy is retiring…wouldn’t that sort of kind of defeat the purpose?

  173. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    The recession has come to an end in MLB, not that it ever existed. Boras has always been right regarding what the owners make.

  174. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    New Post: Are the Nationals a threat?

    :arrow:

  175. CB December 7th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    “Where was all the money last year that is available to teams this year?”

    pat-

    The money was there. It was just sewn in the mattress. Baseball last year did in microcosm what corporations are doing now. Holding onto cash.

    Despite the financial problems baseball revenues continued to go up.

    As usual, the owners just can’t help themselves. So after a year of fattening the bedding they are back spending lavishly on what for many of them is their hobby – baseball.

    It’s why guys who love the free market in every other aspect of life, hate it in baseball. They just can’t help themselves for very long.

    The game is flush with cash.

  176. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Cliff Lee’s possible choices:

    1. Rangers – Play close to home.

    2. Nationals – Most money.

    3. Yankees – Best team with best chance to win.

  177. Vineyard Yankee December 7th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    I’ll pay Crawford $$$, and keep my prospects for other deals down the line.

    =====================

    Al, I second that idea, don’t ‘mortgage’ the farm for ‘potential’.

  178. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    I believe Brackman has 2 options left because he pitched less than 20 games in 2007 and didn’t pitch at all in 2008. 2009 and 2010 options have been used. 2011 and 2012 have not.

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