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Writers on the road to Tampa, Lee not on his way to D.C.

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 07, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Time to hit the road. I have a full rental car, as the Yankees beat is making its way across the state to Tampa. You might not expect it, but we’re actually the envy of the Winter Meetings.

We get to escape the lobby for a few hours. Everyone else is stuck here.

Meanwhile, the Orlando morning buzz is quickly becoming an afternoon non-story. There are now multiple reports that the Nationals are not in the Cliff Lee sweepstakes. In this age of Twitter and 10-minute news cycles, this sort of thing is inevitable. Reporters hear something, and they report it. When it’s shot down, they report that too. This is the nature of the beast.

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211 Responses to “Writers on the road to Tampa, Lee not on his way to D.C.”

  1. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Chip December 7th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    SJ44 December 7th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
    Why don’t you ask Arod what he thinks of Torre?

    ———————

    Not just A-Rod but Kenny Lofton, Gary Sheffield, Kevin Brown, David Wells

    or some of the guys whose careers he ruined: Tanyon Sturtze, Paul Quantrill, Steve Karsay, Scott Proctor.

    There were Joe’s Guys and then there was everyone else…never forget that.

  2. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    I didn’t say Feinsand was right. I never said the rumor was true. What you don’t seem to understand is that baseball writers report what they hear. Things move too fast and they don’t have the resources to verify the veracity of every single rumor. Their job is to report

    Their job is to report. Not spread every rumor they hear. Reporting means getting a tip, investigating, and reporting the truth. Posting every two-bit rumor you hear isn’t reporting, its gossiping or just blabbing.

  3. blake December 7th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Jamie Mccourt wins half the Dodgers in divorce court…..what does this mean for the Dodgers?

  4. MTU December 7th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    I’m out. have a great day folks.

    I’ll try to check in later.

    Hope there is some juicy news to come back to.

    :)

  5. Fran the original December 7th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Chad, when is the Mariano press conference?

  6. LGY December 7th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    “Rich Harden at a much lower salary or Ryan Madson via trade after Carl Crawford is signed.”

    ——————–

    Harden pretty much sucks and I am not even convinced he will be so cheap after pulling in 6.5 million last year.

    I hate your Madson for Swisher proposal

  7. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Fran the original December 7th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    Chad, when is the Mariano press conference?

    ***************************
    Maybe Mo will be the surprise guest this afternoon. ;)

  8. Wave Your Hat December 7th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    “AGon hit .337 with a .937 OPS against LHP last year.”

    And in 2009 AGon had an OPS of .770 vs LHP. Over his career, he has hit LHP worse than RHP. Having lefties in the pen just makes sense when you have to play the Red Sox 19 times.

    LGY-

    The Yanks have been rumored to be interested in Feliciano, no? Someone like him if the Yanks are planning to spend real $$ in the pen.

  9. pat December 7th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    blake

    She doesn’t win half. The judge ruled to vacate the marital agreement. She can now sue for whatever percent she feels she’s entitled to and a judge decides how much that is.

    Could mean the team would have to ve sold unless one or the other of them has deep pockets to buy the other out.

  10. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    blake December 7th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    Jamie Mccourt wins half the Dodgers in divorce court…..what does this mean for the Dodgers?

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    It means that Jamie gets have of the team to date and “party” with and Frank gets the other half.

  11. LGY December 7th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    “Having differing opinions on Joe Torre will always be a reality for Yankee fans. No one is perfect.”

    ——————–

    I’m pretty sure that runs counter to your Class personified comment.

    You are pulling what we call a ‘Jon Heyman’

  12. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    LGY killin it today

  13. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    ***half*** of the team

  14. blake December 7th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Pat
    Oh, the report I read said half…..but ok. I was just wondering what this meant for their budget etc…..mainly if certain players might be made available that weren’t before.

  15. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    LGY December 7th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    I?m pretty sure that runs counter to your Class personified comment.

    You are pulling what we call a ?Jon Heyman?

    *******************************

    :lol:

  16. SJ44 December 7th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    West coast,

    It seems YOU don’t understand what the media’s job is.

    As Jerkface said, their job is to REPORT, not just Tweet gossip.

    When you REPORT Cliff Lee is going to get 7 years from the Nationals, you need more than ONE source on it.

    When you GOSSIP that he will, aren’t reporting, you are GOSSIPING.

    If you poll most fans, they would rather hear facts than rumors.

    When you call someone a “respected reporter” one would think/hope they got that way by reporting FACTS and not unfounded RUMORS.

    Mark Feinsand is a fine beat writer for the Yankees who got sucked in by an agent planted false story. It happens.

    You hope though he’s learned his lesson after this mistake.

  17. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    pcaldera Former Yankees pitching coach Dave Eiland spotted in lobby here at Winter Meetings.

  18. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    “Reporters hear something, and they report it. When it’s shot down, they report that too. This is the nature of the beast”. — Chad Jennings

    There you have it, Sound familiar?

  19. DaSaint007 December 7th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Not saying Cash isn’t doing well, but seriously, you don’t get points for re-upping Jeter and Mariano. Those are supposed to be givens.

    Thus far we’ve learned:
    1. Signing Lee will be not only expensive, but also for more years than may be considered prudent. There may have to be a Plan B.
    2. That Andy has not given his answer as yet, and may still in fact retire. Is there a Plan C?
    3. That Upton may have been available, and now may not be.
    4. Swisher is tradable, due to his production as well as his very favorable contract terms.
    5. Cashman may consider picking up a veteran backup catcher, which possibly means that he doesn’t have faith that Posada could catch more than half the season’s games with one of the rookies or Cervelli catching the balance.
    6. We still need to add a lefty to the bullpen.
    7. We still need bench pieces, particularly someone who can spell 3B and SS without giving automatically giving up plate appearances.

    Lots to do Cash.

  20. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    SJ44 you are mistaken. Heyman clearly identified the Nationals seven year offer as a rumor.

  21. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    LGY December 7th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    “Rich Harden at a much lower salary or Ryan Madson via trade after Carl Crawford is signed.”

    ——————–

    Harden pretty much sucks and I am not even convinced he will be so cheap after pulling in 6.5 million last year.

    I hate your Madson for Swisher proposal

    ———————————–

    I know you do

    As for Harden – he doesn’t suck, he’s just injury prone…much the same way Kerry Wood was before he ultimately was moved inot a relief role.

  22. DaSaint007 December 7th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    So damn personal on here sometimes. Can we just stick to team issues and concepts and stop debunking each other as individuals.

    It’s like pre-school in here sometimes.

  23. pat December 7th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    blake

    Probably means little in the short term because the money is in the business until anything is settled and Frank is likely to appeal.

    Jamie is rumored to be putting together a group of investors to buy out her ex for the team. Nothing is likely to happen very fast when lawyers are geting paid by the hour (no offense Bar members) and courts are involved

  24. Wave Your Hat December 7th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    At least 75% of the rumors reported turn out to be wrong. That doesn’t stop people from reporting them. The internet demands you get there first more than it demands you get it right.

    However, here’s one piece of advice for LoHudders – if a rumor surfaces and you post a comment saying it’s baloney, you’ll be right at least 75% of time, on average.

    Then you can crow about how often you are right.

  25. DaSaint007 December 7th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Other than Lee and Grienke, can there be an intelligent discussion on possible trades for starting rotation help?

    Anyone?

    Same for bullpen.

  26. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    JackCurryYES Watch Derek Jeter’s press conf live at YES at 2:30. @BobLorenz and I will cover it

  27. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    LGY December 7th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    “Having differing opinions on Joe Torre will always be a reality for Yankee fans. No one is perfect.”

    ——————–

    I’m pretty sure that runs counter to your Class personified comment.

    ***************

    No it doesn’t. “My opinion” is that Joe Torre is class personified. Others may have differing opinions.

  28. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    There you have it, Sound familiar?

    Another appeal to authority :(

  29. Vineyard Yankee December 7th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Why on earth have a press conference on the second day of the Winter Meetings……….absurd.

  30. SJ44 December 7th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    That’s not reporting. That’s gossiping.

    Its ok to blame the “10 minute news cycle” for this change because that’s a legitimate argument.

    However, you can’t have it both ways.

    That’s not “reporting” because “reporting” involves more than a one source story.

    If “gossiping” seems too harsh to call this new brand of “reporting”, perhaps just say, “rumor has it” and leave it at that.

  31. LGY December 7th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Wave,

    Felciano would be nice as a LOOGY and I definitely think it should be more of a priority now to look into a second LHR.

    I just think if the Yankees can only afford one, I would rather it be on Wood. Set up guy who can get both LHB and RHB out and insurance for Mo.

    I think that is a better use of their resources even with Gonzalez now in the division.

  32. DaSaint007 December 7th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    BTW, hello GB. Haven’t asked you how you’re feeling.

  33. Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    SI_JonHeyman

    hearing there is a 7-year market for cliff lee (for 20-mil plus a yr). Not the nats tho.
    half a minute ago via web

  34. Vineyard Yankee December 7th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Saint:

    Other than Lee and Grienke, can there be an intelligent discussion on possible trades for starting rotation help?

    Anyone?

    Same for bullpen.

    ========

    Scratch Greinke and Harden and let it fly.

  35. DaSaint007 December 7th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Wave & LGY, what are your thoughts about Fuentes and/or Rauch for the pen?

  36. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    As WYH said, all these ‘rumors’ turn out to be wrong 75% of the time (probably more). The fact that you NEED to post them to stay relevant in the wicked MLB news cycle is one thing, but to claim that its reporting is a little false. Is it reporting if the News says that we should be on alert because a source has claimed sasquatch was spotted in the downtown park? Now what if they changed that story and kept repeating it every 5 minutes? Would you trust the news? Hells no.

    Thus do not come in here and tell us how respected every beat writer is when they tweet something that supports your argument.

  37. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Since no one here sits on a board of journalistic rules and integrity I think we can all get off our high horses about what the job of a reporter is.

    The bottom line is as Chad (the only professional reporter around) said, “they report what they hear and then when they hear different they report that too.”

    As long as they’re not sitting in their mom’s basement cooking up rumors I have no problem with it. I also don’t believe a deal is done or a free agent is signed until it is reported as official.

  38. DaSaint007 December 7th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Thanks Vinyard Yankee (VY)
    I don’t think either is likely either.

  39. pat December 7th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    PeteAbe Some news for #Yankees fans: Donnie Baseball is getting married this weekend and Joe Torre says he will never manage again #Dodgers

    Found a managing job and a bride in LA. Good for Donnie.

  40. Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Chip,

    How about Swisher for Andrew Bailey?

    I bet the rejected A’s are feeling like the only way to add a big bat is via trade.

    Swisher would sell tickets as well.

  41. SoS December 7th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    What is up fellas.

    Im going to throw this name out there to see if it sticks. What are your thoughts on going after a pitcher like Cane? Giants have alot of young pitchers and might want some young position players. Gardner, Laird etc.. Maybe even a three team trade. Thoughts?

    Or maybe a cheaper route in Billingsly?

  42. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    SJ44 you are trying to wiggle playing a semantics game. The bottom line is this is not “All The President’s Men”. There is no multiple source requirement in the age of instant communications. Twitter has changed the world and the way the media operates. Every single member of the media in Tampa is tweeting, e-mailing and reporting what they hear. That is their job.

  43. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    …it’s baseball. Not war and peace.

  44. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
    Chip,

    How about Swisher for Andrew Bailey?

    I bet the rejected A’s are feeling like the only way to add a big bat is via trade.

    Swisher would sell tickets as well.

    ————————————-

    I can’t imagine Beane doing that deal.

    I think Swisher to Oakland has legs, but Bailey should fetch more.

    I think Gardner and Gary Sanchez to the Dodgers for Broxton is plausible.

  45. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    pat-busy weekend for Yankee-related weddings. Swish is getting married this weekend too.

  46. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    How about Swisher for Andrew Bailey?

    What are the Yankees getting back with bailey?

  47. Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Chip,

    Would Beane take Swisher + Cervelli for Bailey?

  48. Rich in NJ December 7th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Heard this: They don’t call them mediots for nothing.

  49. SoS December 7th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Come on folks!! Your better than this. Its that time of the year again. Like Bobcat would say-they tell you what they want you to hear. The Jedi mind tricks are in full force. Sit back and enjoy the fairytales.

  50. Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    I think Swisher for Bailey is a fair start + or – a prospect on either side or both.

  51. Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Jerkface,

    How about Swisher + Cervelli for Braden + Bailey?

    Yanks flip Braden to the D-backs in a package for upton.

  52. champ809 December 7th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Chip

    The most laughable part of your “plan” is the trade of Gardner for Mathis from the Angels….

    Jeff Mathis is a horrendous offensive player and really is no better than Cervelli whereas Gardner is just beginning to come into his own as a player and would get the Yanks much more than a backup catcher type of player on the market right now…

    Not to mention that the angels already have a Gardner type player in Peter Bourjos and as such I’m sure would not be interested in Gardner.

  53. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Can’t give up one of the better RFers in baseball who is under a very sweet contract for the next 2 seasons for a reliever.

  54. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    A reliever who just had his elbow operated on this past offseason.

  55. Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    You can’t ignore Bailey’s 2010 though.

  56. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    DaSaint007 December 7th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    So damn personal on here sometimes. Can we just stick to team issues and concepts and stop debunking each other as individuals.

    It’s like pre-school in here sometimes.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    hey, Simon..you wanna trade lunches? I got pudding.

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    afternoon, Simon. Doing pretty well here in the Georgia sunshine. Thanks for asking. Hope all is well at your igloo. Keep that shortstop warm and comfortable.

  57. SJ44 December 7th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    No, that’s not their job.

    Some who Tweet are more responsible about what they Tweet than others.

    For example, Heyman said the Nats were “in” on Lee.

    He also said “rumor has it, they are offering 7 years”.

    Less than 2 hours later, both Tweets were proven false.

    If you think that’s “reporting”, you have no understanding what reporting is.

    Reporting is not throwing s**t against the wall hoping it sticks.

    Its seperating rumor from fact. That takes some time.

    If you want to follow an actual reporter on Twitter, and see how he seeks more than one source corrboration on stories, follow Joel Sherman of the Post.

    If he had a more likeable personality, he would be the best baseball insider on TV.

    Nobody has broken more stories, and been right more often, in the past two years than Sherman.

    Unfortunately, his abrasive personality keeps him from getting a TV gig he deserves on merit of his work.

  58. SoS December 7th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    The only reporter who NEVER stretches the truth is the HOFer Peter Gammons. From what he’s heard to his personal opinions(Hansen the best closer ever). People should follow his unbiased professionalism.

  59. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Bailey is a good reliever, but his elbow is iffy and he is still just a reliever. Swisher would instantly be the A’s best hitter, that has value in leverage. Bailey would be a setup man on the Yankees.

    And I don’t think the yankees should give Crawford a blank check to replace Swisher (and pushing Gardner to right is weird, I like playing with LF and CF). Granderson + Something for Bailey + Sweeney?

    Braden is too valuable to be included with Bailey I think.

  60. G. Love December 7th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    SOS,

    I don’t see the Giants breaking up the rotation that just won them a title. I think what they proved to themselves was that pitching can win a championship. Making a hole towards the top of the rotation might not make much sense to them.

    That said, Cashman will have to be creative to replace Andy in the rotation.

    I would check in with the Astros to see what they would want for Wandy Rodriguez. That team is for sale and he’s about to get more expensive. I can’t imagine they wouldn’t love the salary relief prospects would bring them. He’s a lefty pitching in a hitters park and puts up good numbers. He also doesn’t walk the ballpark.

  61. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    Chip,

    Would Beane take Swisher + Cervelli for Bailey?

    ————————————-

    Possibly…but I don’t get what motivation Beane would have for moving Bailey at this stage.

    He makes no money – is a very effective closer and they don’t actually need Swisher. Plus Swisher makes a lot of money by Oakland standards.

  62. randy l. December 7th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    “pcaldera Former Yankees pitching coach Dave Eiland spotted in lobby here at Winter Meetings.”

    it’s interesting how on the blog when a guy works for the yankees he must be really good, because well, he works for yankee management and well they’re as good as it gets so the pitching coach or hitting coach is as good as it gets.

    i think it’s obvious now that eiland was nothing special , but that couldn’t have been said on the blog while he worked for cashman without most posters getting up in arms.

    now , he’s working the winter meetings lobby probably trying to get a triple a job somewhere.

  63. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    Attached are arbitration eligible players from all teams from Cots.

    Maybe there is a pitcher or two that will interest the Yankees, from a team trying to dump some salary.

    Thoughts?

    http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.c.....ibles.html

  64. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Oh, Oh!!!! Is Boog Fielder heading for Baltimore?

    Prince Fielder Rumors: Tuesday
    By Tim Dierkes [December 7 at 12:01pm CST]
    Nothing’s cooking with the Brewers on a potential Prince Fielder trade, reports Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. We’ll keep you updated here anyway.

    •The Orioles have had talks with the Brewers for Fielder, tweets Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun. He says they’re only talks right now, and the O’s would want an extension before giving up young pitching for Fielder. Haudricourt says these talks did not go beyond preliminary discussions.

  65. Bring in the Goose December 7th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    My guess on Lee’s 7-year offer is Detroit.

    They’ve made an acquisition already, and have been hesitant on bringing back Ordonez.

    Ilitch is a guy who financially can make it happen.

    Lee in that ballpark would put up alot of zeroes.

    And he knows he has to go 7 to keep the Yankees out of it.

    Just a guess. If not the Nats, can’t see anyone else with the resources to do it.

  66. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
    Bailey is a good reliever, but his elbow is iffy and he is still just a reliever. Swisher would instantly be the A’s best hitter, that has value in leverage. Bailey would be a setup man on the Yankees.

    And I don’t think the yankees should give Crawford a blank check to replace Swisher (and pushing Gardner to right is weird, I like playing with LF and CF). Granderson + Something for Bailey + Sweeney?

    Braden is too valuable to be included with Bailey I think.
    —————————–

    1. Granderson doesn’t fit at all in the Oakland mold (low OBP, free swinger)
    2. I want no part of Dallas Braden
    3. You’re overvaluing Swisher’s value to the A’s – he makes far too much money for them and they just traded for a RF (David DeJesus)

  67. Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    I think Swisher + Cervelli for Braden + Bailey is fair for both sides.

  68. pat December 7th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    jorgearangure Braunecker said its not likely a Cliff Lee deal would be completed this week

  69. blake December 7th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Sherman cohosts on Mlbradio pretty often and he’s not bad on there.

  70. Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Chip,

    DeJesus is a LF who can play all 3 spots. Swisher would be their top bat and he makes peanuts compared to what the A’s were willing to give Adrian Beltre to be their big bat.

    Swisher has significant value to the A’s.

  71. pat December 7th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    jorgearangure Agent Darek Braunecker says LHP Andrew Miller will be coming to Orlando to meet with teams, including #redsox

  72. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    G. Love-

    Wandy Rodriguez is on that list and might be available. The Marlins also have a few arbitration eligible pitchers they might want to include in a trade to alleviate some of their payroll.

  73. ac1 December 7th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    lee just needs to get this done

    this week we wont know if we have lee or pettitte.

  74. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    I think a better all around fit would be Gardner and Gary Sanchez to the Dodgers for either Broxton or Hong Chi Kuo.

    I understand that there will be many who will want to burn me at the stake for suggesting the Yankees even think of dealing Sanchez, but IMNSHO, a player in the Short Season Penn League is a long way from being a viable prospect for the Yankees there’s just too much that can and often does happen between that level and even AA to suggest that he’s going to be a ML back up let alone a star.

  75. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    The A’s don’t need a catcher or Swisher.

  76. Phranchise December 7th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Why would a team in a pitchers type of park operating under a budget trade Bailey and Braden, two of their best pitchers who are young and under control for a year of Swisher and Cervelli as a backup to Suzuki? That makes zero sense.

    So they would be short a closer and short a starting pitcher?

  77. SJ44 December 7th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Randy,

    Eiland’s issue was an off the field, and not on the field issue.

    Plenty of guys go to the Winter Meetings looking for jobs because everybody is under one roof.

    Rick Peterson has done it, as has Bobby Valentine and countless others over the years.

    It’s not an unusual thing to see.

  78. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    1. Granderson doesn’t fit at all in the Oakland mold (low OBP, free swinger)
    2. I want no part of Dallas Braden
    3. You’re overvaluing Swisher’s value to the A’s – he makes far too much money for them and they just traded for a RF (David DeJesus)

    1. There is no Oakland mold. Beane targets undervalued assets, the A’s moved away from on base/power guys because the market corrected. He moved into speed/defense/contact hitting. And yet he is still trying to put together a winner, having a strategy doesn’t mean you adhere to it 100%. The A’s aggressively pursued Beltre, a low on base, free swinging third basemen. (Granderson by the by isn’t really low OBP, free swinging, he is a patient hitter who can take a walk whose OBP is dragged down by his low averages the last few years due to him getting whacked by Lefties).

    2. Me either. I am just saying he wouldn’t be a toss in on any swisher-bailey deal.

    3. Dejesus can play RF and LF, and Swisher is better than Dejesus. Acquiring Dejesus does not make Swisher a no-go to oakland. Swisher could also play 1B if they want to keep the dejesus-sweeney-coco crisp light hitting outfield intact

    Oakland tried to give Beltre 70 million dollars, Swisher fits very nicely in their budget.

  79. coney1 December 7th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    SI_JonHeyman Cliff Lee has at least one 7 year offer for $20-25 mil (not the nats). #yankees have been intending to stay at 6 yrs tops. We’ll see

  80. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    I would not trade Gardner for Kuo and I certainly wouldn’t include Sanchez. Ahhhh relievers being overvalued.

  81. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 7th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    Chip,

    DeJesus is a LF who can play all 3 spots. Swisher would be their top bat and he makes peanuts compared to what the A’s were willing to give Adrian Beltre to be their big bat.

    Swisher has significant value to the A’s.

    ——————————————

    I’m not disputing that Swisher has value to the A’s…I just don’t think it’s cheap closer + cheap mid rotation starter value.

    You’re essentially suggesting that the A’s give the Yankees a very similar package to the one they gave Colorado for Matt Holliday minus the prospect (CarGo). I don’t see Swisher on that level…maybe I’m underrating him but that’s just my opinion on him. He’s a very nice complimentary player for a good team – he’s not going to carry a bad team.

  82. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
    I would not trade Gardner for Kuo and I certainly wouldn’t include Sanchez. Ahhhh relievers being overvalued.

    ———————–

    ahhhhh prospects who haven’t even cracked Low A ball being overvalued.

  83. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Broxton is a free agent in 2012 and is coming off a crap year. He isn’t worth Gardner and Sanchez.

  84. jacksquat December 7th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Sure it’s reporting, it’s reporting rumors. As long as you say a rumor is a rumor, I have no problem with it.

    If the only thing that is going to be reported is official facts, then the reporters may as well stay home and let the teams announce.

  85. Phranchise December 7th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Why would we want to take a NL closer, put him in a spot as a setup guy where he wouldn’t be happy and a guy who also struggled at times last year with a declining strikeout total higher whip and higher era last year? He also is only under contract for next year and then would want a substantial pay increase.

    While giving up a cheap OF who is one of a handful of guys in the league capable of stealing 50 bags and an 18 year old you just signed to a big signing bonus who has tore up the first level of action he is exposed to?

  86. Patrick December 7th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Buster Olney is pretty good at reporting on Yankee news as well. His analysis on the other hand… yikes

    Anyways, I don’t mind writers passing along all the rumors they hear, sometimes they are interesting. But the reader has to read all of this information with a critical eye. You can’t just accept what Feinsand says at face value. Before Kilgore reported that the Nats aren’t in on Lee it was insanely obvious that the rumor was planted by Lee’s agent. You have to be smart about this stuff or you’re going to get crushed on this blog (and elsewhere) for parroting the nonsense that writers “report” on. Take it like a man and admit you were wrong…

  87. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    ahhhhh prospects who haven’t even cracked Low A ball being overvalued

    You’re also including a major league centerfielder who will be under contract for 4 years. I would not even trade Gary Sanchez straight up for Broxton because the type of prospect that Gary Sanchez is (blue chipper) is worth more in name value and could be used to get a better player.

    Its not even about keeping Sanchez because I am worried he will become a star. Its about not blowing your chips early.

    Sanchez has just emerged onto the scene, and did very well. He should fetch more than 1 year of a reliever with a 4 ERA. And he certainly should not be included with a major league centerfielder.

  88. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    JackCurryYES Just got to Steinbrenner Field for Jeter press conf. Weird 2 be here in Dec. New picture of Boss and elevator near press elevator

  89. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    I will, on any given day, take a major league proven closer or set up reliever over a 3rd round draft pick or kid who hasn’t played full season baseball…

    Gary Sanchez is what, best case scenario 4 years away from sniffing the big leagues? The Yankees have 4 guys ahead of him; of which at least one profiles to have an elite bat behind the plate.

    Sanchez is a replaceable part – just like Vizcaiano was last year (and the Yankees did replace Vizciano with that kid they signed earlier this winter)

  90. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    You could trade anyone for anyone, a prospect is just a prospect right? But without properly valuing your own assets you will get took.

    Carlos Santana for Casey Blake, etc.

  91. spidanyc December 7th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Swisher for Broxton or Cervelli and Robertson for Broxton.

  92. Phranchise December 7th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    This is the first year where relievers are flooded in the market. The chances of landing one who is decent at a reasonable price is better than ever.

    Yankees have to concentrate on starting pitching. And if I were them at least kick the tires on a guy like Jeff Francis who was promising before the surgery. A lefty with decent stuff who is still 29, could learn from CC and Lee if added and gives them increased insurance if Andy retires.

  93. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    For a 17 year old catcher, were you expecting Sanchez to be in Scranton already?

    He just turned 18 on this past Thrusday. They just spent a chunk of change and they’re going to blow it on a setup man that came apart at the seams last summer or a reliever who will be 30 years old half way through the season? Plus a starting outfielder? Not likely.

  94. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    JackCurryYES Meant to say Boss and his wife near the elevator

  95. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    ahhhhh prospects who haven’t even cracked Low A ball being overvalued

    You’re also including a major league centerfielder who will be under contract for 4 years. I would not even trade Gary Sanchez straight up for Broxton because the type of prospect that Gary Sanchez is (blue chipper) is worth more in name value and could be used to get a better player.

    Its not even about keeping Sanchez because I am worried he will become a star. Its about not blowing your chips early.

    Sanchez has just emerged onto the scene, and did very well. He should fetch more than 1 year of a reliever with a 4 ERA. And he certainly should not be included with a major league centerfielder.

    —————————————

    A “blue chipper” is a guy who can make an impact right away – or at least within a couple of years – Sanchez is no where close. Guys that far down in the minors are way too hard to profile because of how many levels they have to adjust to.

    Every system has a guy or two like Gary Sanchez – a kid with lots of tools and lots of potential – and maybe 5 of them will ever live up to it.

  96. ac1 December 7th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Swisher for Broxton or Cervelli and Robertson for Broxton.

    __

    I’d rather have Robertson than Broxton.

  97. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Sanchez is a replaceable part – just like Vizcaiano was last year

    Not really. There is always more pitching than catchers.

  98. Carlo December 7th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Chip – completely agree with your thinking as it relates to Sanchez…..there is only so much prospect hoarding a team can do, then it has to assess what it has, deal from positions of strength, and try and trade the guys the organization feels are the least likely to pan out…..regardless of the hype around them from the media/fans/”talent evaluators”.

  99. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Every system has a guy or two like Gary Sanchez – a kid with lots of tools and lots of potential – and maybe 5 of them will ever live up to it.

    Well I really doubt this, and either way, those guys aren’t traded with a 5+ win centerfielder for 1 year of a reliever.

  100. SoS December 7th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    G.Love,
    Wandy is a good option. The only other thing I would look for is a younger pitcher.
    Whats your thoughts on Billingsley? I know he’s had some injuries, but when he’s healthy, he’s a difference maker and is still in his mid 20′s.

  101. Patrick December 7th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    You want Broxton? Really? His arm is going to fall apart really soon after all the abuse Torre heaped on him

    And Sanchez is much more than a replaceable part. He’s one of the Yankees’ top 5 prospects. I’d take him over Romine at this point…

  102. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    And Chip, I am not saying you don’t trade Sanchez, I am saying you don’t trade him for the hell of it. Which you seem to be doing. I’d give Sanchez at least 1 year before I’d think of dealing him because if he keeps it up he’ll rocket to the top of prospect charts and become a huge trade commodity.

    Dumping guys early is foolish.

  103. LGY December 7th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Gardner and Sanchez are two of the Yankees most valuable assets.

    Trading those two, one of which you just gave a $3 million bonus a year ago, for Broxton a reliever who had a 4 ERA and 1.48 WHIP and is going to make $7 million last year is a terrible use of resources.

    That would be just an awful trade.

  104. Bring in the Goose December 7th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Chip December 7th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    I will, on any given day, take a major league proven closer or set up reliever over a 3rd round draft pick or kid who hasn?t played full season baseball?

    Gary Sanchez is what, best case scenario 4 years away from sniffing the big leagues? The Yankees have 4 guys ahead of him; of which at least one profiles to have an elite bat behind the plate.

    Sanchez is a replaceable part ? just like Vizcaiano was last year (and the Yankees did replace Vizciano with that kid they signed earlier this winter)

    —————————————————————————————————–

    Chip –

    SJ and others may know better, but I think the consensus on Sanchez is that he has the potential, if isn’t already, the best of the NYY catching prospects.

    You don’t trade that at that age. This kid could be huge.

    Regarding Bailey and Braden – why would a financially-strapped team trade away their cost-controlled rotation?

    The proposals are fun to think about, but more thought has to go into them.

  105. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    I really wonder where the rest of baseball is hiding their .900 OPS 17 year old 54% caught stealing catchers.

  106. LGY December 7th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Chip,

    You have a very fuzzy idea as to the value of prospects.

    You basically just assign them all equal value because they are unknown.

    Yesterday, you were basically saying Montero and Austin Jackson are the same.

    Today you are saying every org has a Gary Sanchez in their system. That just isn’t true.

  107. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Chip would rather have known suck than unknown goodness.

  108. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    For a 17 year old catcher, were you expecting Sanchez to be in Scranton already?

    He just turned 18 on this past Thrusday. They just spent a chunk of change and they’re going to blow it on a setup man that came apart at the seams last summer or a reliever who will be 30 years old half way through the season? Plus a starting outfielder? Not likely.

    ——————————

    No, I’m saying though that a 17-year old catcher is not someone who you should think twice about trading unless he is some elite freak like Pudge Rodriguez who at 17 was in the upper minors.

    The Yankees have 5 “top catchers” and 8 “top pitchers” you think they’re all going to make it? I don’t. I’ve read all the same stuff you have – that Gary Sanchez has a higher ceiling than even Jesus Montero. I also read reports that Christian Garcia had a higher ceiling than Phil Hughes…not all of them will reach that.

    If you give me the option of dealing that kid and a fourth outfielder (which is what Gardner becomes if the Yankees sign Crawford) for Broxton (Career ERA just a shade over 3 and will turn 27 this year) or Kuo a dynamic lefty who puts almost no one on base – yeah, I’m going to do it.

    And then I’ll go out into the international free agent market or draft and get myself another high ceiling catching prospect to replace Sanchez.

  109. CB December 7th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    “A “blue chipper” is a guy who can make an impact right away – or at least within a couple of years – Sanchez is no where close. Guys that far down in the minors are way too hard to profile because of how many levels they have to adjust to.”

    This is untrue. Being a “blue chipper” isn’t related simply to how far away you are. It’s related to what your talent is. Bryce Harper has only played in the AZ fall league. He’s unquestionably a blue chipper.

    “Every system has a guy or two like Gary Sanchez – a kid with lots of tools and lots of potential – and maybe 5 of them will ever live up to it.”

    Not true either. Sanchez was considered to be one of the two best players of his age in professional baseball this past season. So by consensus that’s not true.

  110. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Sanchez is the answer to Washington’s Harper. Same bat, same age. Only difference is position and the fact that NYY doesn’t feel the need to rush him. His half season puts him a half a seasn ahead of harper in pro ball.

    Would you trade Harper and Bernadino or Morgan for either of those two pitchers…or both of them?

  111. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
    Chip would rather have known suck than unknown goodness.

    —————————-

    I’m taking known goodness over unknown whatever…

    You’re blind if you can’t see that Kuo and/or Broxton would immediately be the best relievers in the Yankee pen not named Mariano Rivera.

  112. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    lmao chip, you just assigned Gardner the value of a 4th outfielder because the yankees might sign crawford??? You realize that just because he would be the 4th outfielder on the yankees doesn’t mean he is only worth a 4th outfielders value??

    Gardner for Broxton straight up might even lean heavily in the favor of the Dodgers.

    And then you throw in a guy you think you can replace but you can’t.

  113. Tom in N.J. December 7th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Isn’t Chip’s view on prospects similar to the Yankees in the late 80s?

  114. Crawdaddy December 7th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    “SI_JonHeyman Cliff Lee has at least one 7 year offer for $20-25 mil (not the nats). #yankees have been intending to stay at 6 yrs tops. We’ll see”

    So if it’s not the Nationals which team then?

  115. Crawdaddy December 7th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    “SI_JonHeyman Cliff Lee has at least one 7 year offer for $20-25 mil (not the nats). #yankees have been intending to stay at 6 yrs tops. We’ll see”

    So if it’s not the Nationals which team then?

  116. Rich in NJ December 7th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    I don’t believe Heyman.

  117. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
    Sanchez is the answer to Washington’s Harper. Same bat, same age. Only difference is position and the fact that NYY doesn’t feel the need to rush him. His half season puts him a half a seasn ahead of harper in pro ball.

    Would you trade Harper and Bernadino or Morgan for either of those two pitchers…or both of them?

    ———————————

    That’s silly. Harper will be on the Nats probably by the All-Star break. Sanchez is 4 years away at best.

  118. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    You’re blind if you can’t see that Kuo and/or Broxton would immediately be the best relievers in the Yankee pen not named Mariano Rivera.

    First of all Pudge was in A ball at 17, then A+ at 18, then AA at 19… then in the majors. So Sanchez is 2 years away from the Bronx, BLUE CHIPPER!

    Kuo and Broxton would probably be the 2nd best pitchers in the pen. That doesn’t mean you trade WHATEVER for them. The difference between 2nd and 3rd best might not be that much. The innings they pitch might not make as big an impact. God forbid they get hurt! Both have injury troubles.

    Stupid GMs go all out for relievers, the smart ones realize relievers ain’t anything.

  119. LGY December 7th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    “If you give me the option of dealing that kid and a fourth outfielder (which is what Gardner becomes if the Yankees sign Crawford) for Broxton (Career ERA just a shade over 3 and will turn 27 this year) or Kuo a dynamic lefty who puts almost no one on base – yeah, I’m going to do it.

    And then I’ll go out into the international free agent market or draft and get myself another high ceiling catching prospect to replace Sanchez.”

    ————————————-

    You are not trading Gardner as a 4th OF. Just because that would bump him to 4th on the Yankees depth chart calling him a 4th OF is very flawed.

    If he was a 4th OF he would have no trade value. You are trading a legit starting CF.

    The Yankees gave Gary Sanchez the largest bonus they have ever given to an IFA and the largest bonus they have ever given to a position prospect.

    You can’t just replace that in the draft or in the international market with a snap of your fingers.

    It could take the Yankees years to find a kid as talented as him that plays catcher.

  120. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    That’s silly. Harper will be on the Nats probably by the All-Star break. Sanchez is 4 years away at best

    17 year old Bryce Harper who hasn’t played a lick of pro ball outside of the AFL? That Bryce Harper?

  121. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Tom in N.J. December 7th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
    Isn’t Chip’s view on prospects similar to the Yankees in the late 80s?

    ———————

    Here’s the difference – I wouldn’t trade a Romine or Brackman or even a Slade Heathcott in this scenario. I’m willing though to trade a kid who is half a season into pro ball because I know that with my financial resources I can dip back into the international market this summer and replace him.

    He’s not far enough along that I can’t part with him and as an organization I’m flush at the position he plays. In other words – I’m dealing from strength to fill a need.

  122. kd December 7th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    cb,

    will gary sanchaz see any aa ball this year? is he even close to being able to handle that level of competitive baseball at his age?

  123. LGY December 7th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    The funny part about Chip’s position on prospects is that he hates advanced stats but he is completely and utterly devaluing the worth of scouting.

    If you could just close your eyes, point, and find a kind like Sanchez no problem, then there would be no use to have such extensive scouting departments.

    Sanchez is a special talent that the Yankee scouts found.

    It will be very difficult for them to replace that.

  124. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    By gods I’ve figured it out. Chip doesn’t understand the minor leagues.

  125. randy l. December 7th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    “Rick Peterson has done it, as has Bobby Valentine and countless others over the years.

    It’s not an unusual thing to see.”

    sj44-

    yes, but those guys were looking for major league jobs.

    do you really think eiland is looking for a major league job?

    i’d be surprised if he is.

    the 2010 red sox pitching coach farrel leaves them to take a managers job.

    the 2010 yankee pitching coach is in the winter meetings looking for a job .

    i think that probably says how good eiland was on the field.

  126. Bring in the Goose December 7th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Crawdaddy December 7th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
    ?SI_JonHeyman Cliff Lee has at least one 7 year offer for $20-25 mil (not the nats). #yankees have been intending to stay at 6 yrs tops. We’ll see?

    So if it?s not the Nationals which team then?

    ——————————————————————————————-

    I’m going with Mike Ilitch’s deep pockets, the Tigers, their desperation for winning, their need to outbid the Yankees, and their pitching-friendly ballpark, Crawdaddy.

    Anyone else?

  127. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    I’m willing though to trade a kid who is half a season into pro ball because I know that with my financial resources I can dip back into the international market this summer and replace him.

    You’re trading something before you even know what that something is. And you can’t just find a new sanchez or else every team would have a beast catcher.

  128. Rich in NJ December 7th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    You don’t trade a talent like Sanchez.

  129. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Can’t see a reason for Sanchez to be moved to Tampa this year, short of catching injuries making promotions necessary. Tampa has two catchers ready for 2011.

  130. RS December 7th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Also, with the upcoming CBA negotiations, you don’t know whether the Yankees will be able to continue getting the best IFA talent even if another Sanchez were to be available.

  131. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    In light of all the people who have decided that Gary Sanchez is the second coming I will move on from this topic.

    I will not say however that I think you are all nuts.

    I will also not say that I think there’s equal money on Ned Colletti laughing Brian Cashman out of Orlando if he even suggested such a trade.

    I will simply say – hug your prospects now, because you never know when one is going to go all Brien Taylor on you.

  132. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Guys you trade from the low minors at your own peril: ‘Toolsy guys’ who have not put it all together yet, pitchers that dominate but still have significant question marks

    Guys you don’t trade from the low minors: consensus best prospect at position of scarcity who has already shown his immense tools are in complete order

  133. Chip December 7th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
    I’m willing though to trade a kid who is half a season into pro ball because I know that with my financial resources I can dip back into the international market this summer and replace him.

    You’re trading something before you even know what that something is. And you can’t just find a new sanchez or else every team would have a beast catcher.

    ————–

    Last thought on this – if you don’t know what he is, why are you so afraid of trading him?

  134. Carlo December 7th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    I may not fully agree with Chips view of trading prospects for relief pitchers without pause, but he is right in what he is saying in that a lot can go wrong with a 17 year old “future star”…….my bigger issue is this….if Montero pans out, how does Sanchez ever fit into the Yankees plans and how much do you stockpile one position to keep from being naked if all your high profile prospects dont amount to anything?

    I am not saying swap Sanchez for a reliever……but if all goes well with Montero…..and its a less risky proposition now that Montero makes it versus Sanchez….then at some point, Sanchez is a trade piece and nothing more.

  135. LGY December 7th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Slade Heathcott doesn’t even have a half more season than Sanchez under his belt.

    Those 32 more games Heathcott has is the difference between being shipped off by Chip or not??

  136. CB December 7th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    kd-

    I don’t think he’ll make it to AA. There’s really no point in pushing him that hard and the jump to AA is tough.

    I could see him getting to Tampa though this season. That’ would be a hugely successful season for him.

    If he makes it to high A this season he’ll be on the fast track from there on out.

    He is very good.

  137. pat December 7th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    The Sox are going to need a 60 man active roster if all the players they are rumored to be “in on” are true.

    Theo must be using the throw everything against the wall and see what sticks method this year or the Sox are being used by agents far and wide.

  138. LGY December 7th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    If Sanchez entered the draft like an American high schooler with his talent level, he would be one of the top picks in the draft.

  139. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Chip don’t get butt hurt because your trade suggestion was insane and based on your own warped and distorted view of two player’s value.

  140. LGY December 7th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    If the Yankees traded Sanchez for Broxton they would basically be paying Broxton $10 million next year to be their set up guy coming off a down year.

  141. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    I may not fully agree with Chips view of trading prospects for relief pitchers without pause, but he is right in what he is saying in that a lot can go wrong with a 17 year old “future star”…….my bigger issue is this….if Montero pans out, how does Sanchez ever fit into the Yankees plans and how much do you stockpile one position to keep from being naked if all your high profile prospects dont amount to anything?

    I am not saying swap Sanchez for a reliever……but if all goes well with Montero…..and its a less risky proposition now that Montero makes it versus Sanchez….then at some point, Sanchez is a trade piece and nothing more.

    Sanchez as a 17 year old OPS’d 1 in the gulf vs older kids, and held his own vs college players. Threw out 56% of base stealers in the penn league. He is also rated as having better defensive tools than almost everyone in the system at catcher and the bat of Jesus Montero.

    If Sanchez pans out and Montero is behind the plate, they will share duties and Montero will move to 1st when Tex is done.

  142. Betsy December 7th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Well whatever it is with Lee, the Yankees should wait until the Rangers make their offer and then top it by $1. If Lee wants to play here so badly, he’ll take it.

  143. Captain Clutch December 7th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    It wouldn’t surprise me if the Tigers offer Lee a contract. They had a lot of money come off the books last year and they are probably one of the teams laying in the weeds. It would probably be a low offer like 5 years $20m per I doubt they would come close to what the Yanks will offer. All of this 7 year crap is bs and all from Lee’s agent just seeing if he can get the Yankees to go there. The Yankees might be open to a vesting option performance thing like Jeter’s contract, but I can’t see another team going there.

  144. Nick in SF December 7th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    In Soviet Union, all teams had a Gary Sanchez by law.

  145. ac1 December 7th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    of course the sox are in on everything. With Gammons at the meetings, he writes what he hopes.

  146. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Last thought on this – if you don’t know what he is, why are you so afraid of trading him?

    I know what he is, one of the best catching prospects ever who debuted exactly how his talents suggested. There was no ‘projection’ or ‘promise’ in Sanchez’s debut. He killed the league and then held his own vs college players.

    You are saying he could easily bust out. Its true it could happen, but when a player has already fulfilled tools promises at such a young age you let them continue on.

    I am saying YOU do not know what you have. I, and the Yankees, and their scouts, know what Sanchez is. A blue chipper.

  147. Betsy December 7th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    If there is a 7 year market for Lee, let him go to that team.

  148. LGY December 7th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    How does Heyman KNOW Lee has a 7 year offer yet have no idea where it is from???

  149. Carlo December 7th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Lotta guess work in there jerkface…..not saying I dont agree with you as i am by no means in favor of trading sanchez for a reliever…..but the bottom line is, Montero is the catcher of the future or he isnt…..and if he is, then Sanchez has less value to the yankees than he would to other teams in a trade.

  150. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    CB, the only way I can see Sanchez is because of an injury to the catchers above him or if NYYs go ahead with the thoughts of moving Murphy to the outfield. Not sure how true those thoughts are, though. It was written in a pub or Charleston paper a couple of months ago.

  151. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    From a source LGY that insists upon anonymity.

  152. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Montero is the catcher of the future or he isnt…..and if he is, then Sanchez has less value to the yankees than he would to other teams in a trade

    Sanchez has better defensive tools than Montero. If Sanchez is for real they won’t move him. You need 2 catchers in the majors anyways and having 1 who can play other positions (montero) would be a plus.

    And if Sanchez does end up wth more value to other teams than to the yankees, great, he should be traded for what his value commands. Which is not 1 to 2 years of a reliever.

    Gagne was traded for an 8th starter, a 4th outfielder, and a guy in the low minors who had yet to even tap a bit of his potential.

  153. SJ44 December 7th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Randy,

    The two aren’t analagous at all given the events that transpired.

  154. LGY December 7th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    “From a source LGY that insists upon anonymity.”

    ——————-

    You mean Braunecker?

    Maybe Heyman is getting gun shy. Doesn’t want to reveal the team and then an hour later post something that directly contradicts it and look like a fool again.

  155. SoS December 7th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    In Soviet Union, all teams had a Gary Sanchez by law.

    ======

    In Cuba, all players had a Gary Sanchez birth certificate by law. They call it “The Born Identity”.

  156. SJ44 December 7th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    LGY,

    Or perhaps it’s the same “source” who told him the Nats were “in” on Lee 3 hours ago.

  157. Bring in the Goose December 7th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    I think the bottom line is you have to allow Murphy and Sanchez more time to develop further, which will only INCREASE their trade value, should that be the team’s intention.

  158. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Houston has the real “Bourne Identity” though.

  159. Rich in NJ December 7th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Heyman will repeat whatever an agent (or one of his associates) tell him and report it as news. Spin is him.

  160. SoS December 7th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Houston has the real “Bourne Identity” though.

    =======

    GB,
    El Duque signed with Houston? Goodness Gracious!! Can we flip Montero for a proven playoff winning pitcher now?

    BTW, that for the first time was purposely missspelled(born).

  161. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Maybe the Yanks can sign Melky Cabrera and trade him to Atlanta for relief pitcher Brandon Beachy.

  162. kd December 7th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    is sanchez ahead of where montero was at the same age? his bat may not be montero-esque but all indications (what i’ve read on the internet) are that his overall game will surpass jesus.

  163. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    SoS December 7th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
    Houston has the real “Bourne Identity” though.

    =======

    GB,
    El Duque signed with Houston? Goodness Gracious!! Can we flip Montero for a proven playoff winning pitcher now?

    BTW, that for the first time was purposely missspelled(born).

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    It’s seldom that I’d ever correct somebody’s spelling, unless they’re a jackass.

    How are things going out your way, SoS? It’s been awhile since you were on here helping to tear up the joint. Hope your holidays were and will be great ones.

  164. 108 stitches December 7th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    I have more trust in Tim Kurkjian than any member of the electronic media. He knows how to separate facts from rumors with no hidden agenda.
    There’s many good members of the print media but for every one good member, there’s 3 rumor mongers willing to write anything that sells newspapers or gets attention for the wrong reasons.

  165. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    kd, there are a lot of similarities between Sanchez and Montero. They both have monsterous bats at the same age. The catching will come, though most think that Sanchez may have been a little better at the same age.

  166. Bronx Jeers December 7th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Heyman is going to prove all you naysayers wrong!

    heard this: RT @bkabak:

    Sources: Jon Heyman to offer Cliff Lee 7-year deal.

    about 1 hour ago via TweetDeck Retweeted by StadiumInsider

  167. Patrick December 7th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    The Yankees will regret trading Vizcaino (especially after Vazquez laid an egg in NY) and if they trade Sanchez they will regret that even more.

  168. hardwired7 December 7th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Anyone else?

    —————————

    I’ll go w/the Angels.

    Big money, long-term contract offers and Artie Moreno seem to go together like chocolate and peanut butter.

  169. Captain Clutch December 7th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Lee’s agent probably walked over to Heyman and said here is $20 bucks now go tweet that Lee has a 7 year offer. Thanks..

  170. pat December 7th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Anonymous sources should be reserved for matters of national security or public safety not baseball.

  171. G. Love December 7th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Betsy,

    You keep talking about Lee by saying things like “if he wants to play here so badly”.

    The guy has bounced around, not by his choice, from Cleveland to Philly to Seattle to Texas. It’s his turn to pick his landing spot for the rest of his career.

    He can play and fit in anywhere.

    He’s going to go where we he gets the best deal. There are no discounts. He’s a free agent.

    This isn’t college recruiting. He has no allegiances to the Yankees nor should he.

    You want to spin it negatively because you’re worried he may sign somewhere else, go right ahead.

    But this whole free agent process is rarely about a boy’s lifelong dream. Just because Adrian Gonzalez says he always dreamed of being a Red Sox player doesn’t make it so. If he were traded to Chicago or Seattle he would have had the same exact spin.

    It’s about money and security. If the Yankees give him the best fit he will be a Yankee.

    And if it takes 7 years to sign him then the Yankees should go the distance. This man is motivated and he will be loyal to whatever team gives him the security and no trade clause he’s seeking so he doesn’t have to keep bouncing around the league. I doubt he’s looking for 7 years because he envisions himself growing tomatoes in the bullpen in year 7.

    Andy’s 38 going on 39 and I’d have no problem bringing him back to pitch. I’m not worried about the contract length with Lee. If we win a title in the 7 years he’s here it’s all worth it.

  172. hardwired7 December 7th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Wikileaks should move on to bigger and better things, like verifying the validity of hot stove rumors.

    This is serious business.

  173. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    pat December 7th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
    Anonymous sources should be reserved for matters of national security or public safety not baseball.

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    I agree with you on this, pat. Now, if we only knew who said this….

  174. Patrick December 7th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Seems like Betsy is getting passive aggressive about NOT wanting Lee.

  175. Pat M. December 7th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    G. Love…….Well stated……

  176. SoS December 7th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    GB,
    Doing good GB. Im having touble sticking to a new job. I was in the Mortgage industry for years(owned my own company)and had to do a career change. The only problem is, everytime I start in a new path, I quit a couple days later. Empty promises, no internet blogging, no giving myself a tap on the shoulder for a good job posting today, no chance to take siesta naps. Im sure you can understand. Tough times my friend.
    How are you doing health wise? I peak in at times and was not seeing you post. It got me worried. Thought Nurse K finally did you in. Hopefully those twins didnt spit back all the left over dark meat turkey on your lap for the hollidays.
    Have you heard from mel lately?

  177. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Interesting that Heyman only looks like a fool to a few here. Obviously his 55,000 followers on Twitter see it differently, as well as MLB Networks and SI.

  178. CB December 7th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Gb7

    If Sanchez plays close to the level he did last year (not even putting up the same numbers-but just looks great at the plate) I dont think the Yankees will hold him back because of the kids in front of him.

    He’ll probably spend all season in charleston but if he does I think it will be more because that’s best fir his development more than playing time issues for the kids in front of him.

    If montero is in the bigs next season Sanchez is their best position prospect in the minors. He is the priority.

    Also – I could see them moving Murphy to another position at least part time.

  179. Betsy December 7th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    GLove, and I have absolutely no problem with that. Lee has earned the right to make, finally, his own decision about where he plays. I’m just saying that I don’t want the Yankees to make some ridiculous offer……..If he wants to play here, that’s great. If he doesn’t, that’s fine, too.

  180. kd December 7th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    thanks gb. to say the least, the should give sanchez the time needed to develop. there’s simply no need to rush him

  181. Betsy December 7th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    You can think what you want Patrick, I’m not going to bother trying to dissuade you. I want the guy and think we need him probably a lot more than most here, but not at all costs.

  182. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    BloggingBombers Yankees official says Cliff Lee getting a seven-year offer “won’t affect what we do.” Yankees set on going no more than six years.

  183. Pat M. December 7th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Stop biting your nails Betsy

  184. Betsy December 7th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    GLove, it’s your opinion that I’m worried he might sign elsewhere – I’m not. I was a lot more invested in the CC sweepstakes than I am in this one. Wherever he signs, he signs. As I’ve said, I’d rather the Yankees struggle than that they give him a 7 year deal. If that means he plays for the Nats or Tigers or whomever, then that’s fine.

  185. Dassit December 7th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Betsy, what would be your max. offer to Lee? Years and Dollars?

  186. Betsy December 7th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    LOL Pat……..I’m not, but thanks for the advice anyway.

  187. Betsy December 7th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Dassit, I max out at 6 (but I’d offer 5 first)……no more than $25 million a year and even that’s pretty outrageous.

  188. SJ44 December 7th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Betsy,

    “ridiculous” offers passed by a long time ago.

    He’s going to get huge money from someone. Might as well be the Yankees.

    West coast,

    What does that mean? Who cares how many followers he has on Twitter. Nick Swisher has many more Twitter followers. It doesn’t mean a thing.

    You conveniently avoid the issue we are talking about re: Heyman today.

    How he was COMPLETELY WRONG on his reporting on Cliff Lee today.

    In this “10 minute news cycle”, when you are wrong, you are going to get called on it.

    Something you can learn from.

  189. SoS December 7th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    A left field question.
    Looks fast forward to the last couple years remaining on Alex’s contract. Hypethecially speaking, can anyone else see Alex retiring before his contract is up if his production falls off the cliff? Yankee fans booed Mariano and Jeter at one time when they struggled. But both have thick skin. I cant imagine Alex being able to overcome the hostility if lets say he hits .240 18 bombs moves down the lineup and fails time and time again when it counts. I say he walks away from the game rather than taking all the heat that his home town would dish out.

  190. Betsy December 7th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    SJ, that’s why I said I would do 6/25 per year……..but that’s it. I’m vehemently opposed to a 7th year; if Lee can get that from someone, that’s great, as long as it’s not the Yankees.

  191. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Interesting that Heyman only looks like a fool to a few here. Obviously his 55,000 followers on Twitter see it differently, as well as MLB Networks and SI.

    Who is the fool, the fool or the 50,000 fools that follow him? Also MLB network employs Kevin Millar and Mitch Williams, so uh? Its so funny watching you try to defend sportswriters. You do it so poorly.

  192. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    SoS December 7th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
    GB,
    Doing good GB. Im having touble sticking to a new job. I was in the Mortgage industry for years(owned my own company)and had to do a career change. The only problem is, everytime I start in a new path, I quit a couple days later. Empty promises, no internet blogging, no giving myself a tap on the shoulder for a good job posting today, no chance to take siesta naps. Im sure you can understand. Tough times my friend.
    How are you doing health wise? I peak in at times and was not seeing you post. It got me worried. Thought Nurse K finally did you in. Hopefully those twins didnt spit back all the left over dark meat turkey on your lap for the hollidays.
    Have you heard from mel lately?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    SoS. you’ll find a job that suits your talents, soon. Hell, even I held a job for 35 years until I found this Chief Snark’s job on here. Nothing wrong with checking jobs out until you find out what you enjoy. It’ll happen. Until then, you can always play with us on here. Glad that your holidays were good. Family is important until it’s time to throw the kids out of the house. When they’re growing up, you can’t keep ‘em around and after they reach 20 years of age, you can’t get rid of ‘em.

    Haven’t seem Mel since the end of the season. Perhaps one of the ladies or Nick have.

  193. Pat M. December 7th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Time for lunch, brews and some baseball gossip at the golf club……..

  194. CB December 7th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Lee’s camp wanted to take things “slow” and not field offers.

    Instead they are trying to get teams to bid against themselves by negotiating via rumors in the media.

    The Yankees are sending very clear responses back to Lee. Good for them. If lee has 7 years put it on the table and proceed from there.

    Until then it’s just hearsay in the media.

    If they had 7 years they would be engaged in serious end stage negotiations.

  195. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    West Coast you just use a bunch of debate fallacies one after another, over and over. It truly is special to witness.

  196. Jerkface December 7th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Montero OPS’d under .800 as a 17 year old in the Gulf. Sanchez OPS’d over 1. Sanchez is special. Montero went to Low A the next season and OPS’d .800 and began his legend. Lets see what Sanchez can do in the Sally league.

  197. Erin December 7th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    New Post: Derek Jeter press conference

    :arrow:

  198. Patrick December 7th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Interesting that Heyman only looks like a fool to a few here. Obviously his 55,000 followers on Twitter see it differently, as well as MLB Networks and SI.

    Stop trolling bro

  199. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    SJ44 you just could not be more wrong on the media and how they work. But that’s ok. Believe what you want. Heyman was not right or wrong he said he was passing on a rumor. It’s not his responsibility when doing so to judge whether it’s right or wrong as long as it was from a legitimate source – who I am sure wanted to stay anonymous.

  200. SJ44 December 7th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    CB,

    Exactly.

    If he had a 7 year offer, his PC to announce the signing would be happening faster than Jayson Werth’s.

    Scott Boras, who is the KING of waiting it out, did no such thing when he got that offer.

    He KNEW it wasn’t getting any better than that and he pulled the trigger.

    If Lee had a 7 year offer, this thing would be over.

    Instead, after a day filled with unfounded dumped, his agent now says “no deal this week”.

    Translation? No 7 year deal is on the table at this time.

  201. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Patrick that’s my opinion. Sorry if you disagree. I am responding to comments made to me.

  202. GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    CB, absolutely, they won’t hold Sanchez back, but, since Montero/Romine, they’ve paired two “high profile” catchers together. At Tampa in 2011 will be Higashioka and Murphy. Not sure that those pairings helped or hindered progress in Montero and Romine or not. It would take a better “baseball man/scout” than me to figure that one out. I think that Sanchez will be brought into camp early to get tutoring and help with all of the pitchers. I’ve on;y seen him about 3 times in the GCL games, but, is he ever fun to watch bat…especially batting practice.

  203. Patrick December 7th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    Listing Jon Heyman’s number of twitter followers in an attempt to give him credibility is a troll. According to your logic I should get my baseball news from Lady Gaga. After all, she has the most followers right?

  204. Patrick December 7th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    The Yankees should trade Gary Sanchez for Kenny Powers

  205. SJ44 December 7th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Are you serious?

    You are utterly clueless about this west coast.

    Of course he has a responsibility to be correct.

    It’s not just about passing along dumped.

    Seriously, you are embarrassing yourself now.

    Stop now before the entire community laughs you off the blog.

  206. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    SJ he has the responsibility to be correct about “being told the rumor by a credible source”. Not to check the accuracy of the information. How would anyone at the winter meetings do so? They report rumors.

  207. Bronx Jeers December 7th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Adrian Gonzales’ dream was to play for the Sox?

    Given his age and position I guess he was a Mo Vaughn fan. :lol:

  208. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Wait. You mean he’s not “just a ballplayer”??

  209. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Heyman has followers that want his baseball reports. If you don’t like him fine. I think he’s a credible and very knowledgeable baseball reporter. Everyone is entitled to his opinion.

  210. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    So much for the “Derek knows its business, he’s not bothered at all by it.”

    “I was angry” -Derek Jeter.

  211. West Coast Yankee Fan December 7th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Jeter came across great in the press conference. Well done.

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