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Notes from Day 3: Girardi edition

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 08, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Winter Meetings BaseballLet’s face it, these have been the Cliff Lee Meetings. Major League Baseball is only playing a secondary role.

When Joe Girardi sat for his Winter Meetings press conference, this afternoon, the first bundle of questions were about the most obvious topic.

According to Girardi, Cliff Lee has been “on (the Yankees) radar screen for a while.” Adding him to the rotation is “pretty important” because Lee is a “guy that wins” and even though no deal has been reached, Lee is “someone that we’ll continue to pursue.”

So, clearly Girardi broke some new ground on the Lee front.

Actually, the most interesting Lee tidbit might have been the fact Girardi has not been involved in the conversations at all. “I’ll talk to Cash and see what he wants me to do,” Girardi said. Otherwise, it was pretty much the same non-information.

Lee is good. The Yankees need a starter. The pursuit is ongoing. That’s the bottom line.

And for whatever it’s worth, I gladly would have given Pete Caldera my seat in front of Girardi’s table if I’d known standing behind Girardi would have gotten me in the Associated Press photo. Live and learn.

Other notes from the Yankees manager:

ALCS Yankees Ready Baseball• On the possibility of Lee landing elsewhere: “We have explored options. And I do feel that there are some options out there. Obviously, as I’ve said all along, Cliff Lee is the complete package. It was a guy that we tried to trade for at the deadline. It’s a guy that we followed very closely. But the one thing that the Yankees always do if something doesn’t work out, they always have other options, and they’ll consider other options.”

• No surprise, but Girardi clearly indicated that one of those other options might include Carl Crawford. “We have a very good outfield,” Girardi said. “But it’s something that you look at all the pieces that are out there and you make decisions. Does it fit with your team or doesn’t it fit maybe your Plan A doesn’t go according to plan, and you go to something else.”

• As expected, Girardi said Jesus Montero will have to earn a job in spring training. “He’s going to have to earn the job as a catcher,” Girardi said. The DH spot is taken, but the Yankees are currently prepared to give their top prospect a long and legitimate look in spring training. He’s never caught a 162-game schedule, but Girardi said he doesn’t think of Montero as being limited in the number of games he’ll catch. He’ll get breaks like any catcher, but he won’t go into the season with a planned limit.

• Jorge Posada was told to prepare himself as a catcher, but with the understanding that the bulk of his time will likely come at DH. “He understands,” Girardi said. “But I still think that he wants to catch. I mean, that is his first love, that is his first passion. To me this gives him a chance to extend his career, stay healthy, and be productive for us.”

• Girardi said it’s not time to commit to any sort of lineup for next season. Asked specifically about Derek Jeter’s spot in the order, Girardi said: “I think you have to evaluate your team on a daily basis, weekly basis, and monthly basis as time goes on. The one thing he did do is he hit in September for us. After we made that change with him, he hit much better. We’ll continue to work on those things.”

ALCS Rangers Yankees Baseball• Ideally, how much rest for Alex Rodriguez? Girardi said it depends on how Rodriguez feels in spring training, but as a general rule, “You try not to play him more than seven or eight days in a row,” Girardi said. “Will your day off be a DH day? Possible. Or a DH day here or maybe a DH two days later.”

• Speaking of resting Rodriguez, Girardi said the Yankees have looked into backup infield options, but he stressed that the Yankees like Ramiro Pena and/or Eduardo Nunez in that spot. He called it “an important role.” Getting someone externally may depend on “what we have left financially to sign.”

• For the eighth inning, Girardi said he believes Joba Chamberlain and Dave Robertson can handle the job. “I really believe the talent is there to do it,” he said. “And these guys will probably get the opportunity to do it. But you have to prove you can do it.” Much of Chamberlain’s struggles, Girardi said, came from his inconsistent slider.

• Although the Yankees project Ivan Nova as a starter, Girardi said he wouldn’t rule out Nova breaking in as a reliever. A personal observation: With Alfredo Aceves and Dustin Moseley gone, the Yankees don’t currently have many long relief options beyond Sergio Mitre.

• The Yankees have a lot of almost-ready, upper-level pitching talent (Brackman, Noesi, Betances, Banuelos, Phelps, etc.), and the team has had success in the past converting those sort of pitchers into short-term, late-inning relievers. Girardi said that’s not something the Yankees will consider directly out of spring training, but it’s possible by mid-summer. “Not immediately,” Girardi said. “Because most of them haven’t had a season or year of Triple-A, or two or three months of Triple-A. But we have been known to. A lot of clubs believe it’s easier to break a guy into the bullpen first and move him into the starting rotation as a young pitcher. If we feel they can help us in the bullpen say middle of the summer, then we’d make that switch.”

• If Nova were to make the Yankees rotation out of spring training, there would be no innings limit on him. Girardi was happy to say that.

• The Yankees have admitted to being in the market for a second left-handed reliever. “But when we go to New York, we’re going to take the 12 best pitchers no matter who they are,” Girardi said.

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122 Responses to “Notes from Day 3: Girardi edition”

  1. Patrick December 8th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Wow, Girardi’s looking snazzy

  2. Bret The Hitman December 8th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    BloggingBombers

    Cashman and Crawford meet over dinner http://nydn.us/gLq68v
    13 minutes ago via twitterfeed

    Wining and dining.

    The courting has begun.

    It is for real.

  3. raymagnetic December 8th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Wow Patrick. You really have low standards of what snazzy is. ;)

  4. Bret The Hitman December 8th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    So this dinner with Crawford’s agent did take place and occurred away from the Winter Meetings. It is now confirmed that Crawford was there.

    This is not the way to treat a so-called “plan B”.

  5. Erin December 8th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    And for whatever it?s worth, I gladly would have given Pete Caldera my seat in front of Girardi?s table if I?d known standing behind Girardi would have gotten me in the Associated Press photo. Live and learn

    ************************
    LOL

    You’re famous!!

  6. Patrick December 8th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Check out the big brain on Bret!

    Sorry had to do that, just watched Pulp Fiction this past weekend.

    Anyways, I will bet you anything you’d like that Carl Crawford will NOT sign with the Yankees this year.

  7. raymagnetic December 8th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Bret,

    This isn’t Prince William courting Kate Middleton. Settle down. :x

  8. Doreen December 8th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Great picture of Jorge!

    Erin -

    John Krasinski is my crush that’s way too young for me. But he reminds me of my husband a little, and also, it’s more of a crush on the relationship his character and Pam have in “The Office.”

  9. Patrick December 8th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    Wow Patrick. You really have low standards of what snazzy is.

    I actually really like his jacket haha.

  10. Erin December 8th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    comet December 8th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
    Erin I?m shocked at your infidelity. I thought you were truly devoted to Mr. Cano.

    *******************************
    comet, trust me, Cano will ALWAYS be #1 in my book. Nobody else really comes close, but I will admit to a few other crushes. ;)

  11. Erin December 8th, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    raymagnetic December 8th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    Bret,

    This isn?t Prince William courting Kate Middleton. Settle down.

    ****************************

    :lol:

  12. Patrick December 8th, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Robbie Cano? Really? That dude is ugly haha

  13. Bret The Hitman December 8th, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Too late.

    NYYrumors

    HOT RUMOR: Cashman courted Crawford at dinner Tue night, slipped a roofie in his Dr. Pepper.
    less than 5 seconds ago via web

  14. Erin December 8th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Doreen- ah yes, Jim and Pam. Sigh. My friend and I always kid each other that we want a Jim. ;)

  15. Jacob Ruppert December 8th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    I mean offense to anyone, but too much non baseball talk and muppets talk.

  16. Patrick December 8th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Jacob, if that’s the case, bring up a topic worth talking about.

  17. DaSaint007 December 8th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Two things stand out:

    The Yankees like Ramiro Pena and/or Eduardo Nunez for 3B backup. ”Getting someone externally may depend on “what we have left financially to sign.”

    For the eighth inning, Girardi said he believes Joba Chamberlain and Dave Robertson can handle the job.

    Translation:
    1. No utility player until all other needs are accounted for and if necessary no move whatsoever.
    2. No signing of a major bullpen arm, like a Rauch, Fuentes, Wood, etc. Not unless prices really drop.

  18. Erin December 8th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Patrick December 8th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
    Robbie Cano? Really? That dude is ugly haha

    ****************************
    :evil:

  19. Jacob Ruppert December 8th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Pat – I dont type much on here; I do enjoy reading the insights of many posters. Too much “stuff” to filter through when it is nonbaseball.

    How about the source that says Yankees have enough money to bring on Carl Crawford and Lee. Discuss…

  20. Erica in NY December 8th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Doreen December 8th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
    Erica -

    That’s too funny!

    I had the opposite feeling though – I never knew it was a temporary thing. I thought it was going to be a McCartney station much like the Springsteen station. So I was driving merrily along until one day I turned on my McCartney station only to have the Bridge again!!! (But I love the Bridge, so I got over it.)

    Also, the novelty of listening to one artist all the time wears off fast. I loved the Springsteen station at first, and now, only listen once in a while.

    *****************

    I agree with you. But that being said, I fully support an All-Fleetwood Mac station.

    We can call it Rumours Radio. Which also is an appropriate tie in to the hotstove craziness!

  21. Bret The Hitman December 8th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Joelsherman1

    Amazingly when Braunecker left Meetings, had from #Yankees what had 3 wks ago: Parameters for a deal, but still no official offer (cont)
    less than a minute ago via TweetDeck

  22. Erica in NY December 8th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Pat M-

    Thanks :-)

    btw- I bought the 25th Anniversary of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame concert on CD. I haven’t listened to it yet though, but I am super excited about it

  23. Patrick December 8th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    How about the source that says Yankees have enough money to bring on Carl Crawford and Lee. Discuss…

    If they don’t re-sign Pettitte and trade Granderson or Swisher I believe it.

  24. Bret The Hitman December 8th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Joelsherman1

    It is mainly semantics. Braunecker knows #Yankees will go north of Santana (6-$137.5M). Does he have legit 7-yr bid to trump it?
    half a minute ago via TweetDeck

  25. Patrick December 8th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Well according to reports, the Yankees have already gone north of Santana

  26. DaSaint007 December 8th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Cashman will NOT offer more AVV nor match years of CC’s contract.

  27. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Name a baseball subject that hasn’t been beaten to death over the last week…including your last suggestion.

  28. Bret The Hitman December 8th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Joelsherman1

    Exec interested in Greinke says price has gone up since All-Star break, though less time left on pact making it “very hard to get done.”
    1 minute ago via TweetDeck

  29. Bret The Hitman December 8th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    TylerKepner

    With Yanks bidding 6 yrs and perhaps $140 M, it will be fascinating to see what Lee decides.
    1 minute ago via Mobile Web

  30. Wave Your Hat December 8th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    “Cashman will NOT offer more AVV nor match years of CC’s contract.”

    I believe he will if he has too.

  31. Jacob Ruppert December 8th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    When is a baseball subject beaten to death?

    This is a baseball blog. Should this blog be titled: Baseball blog until certain topics are beaten to death.

    Tell us about the minors GB. I always enjoy reading about that. How do you think Montero will perform next year in ST?

  32. Patrick December 8th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Haha man Dayton Moore is so crazy… I have no idea how he lucked into that farm system of his…

  33. Warning Track Power December 8th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    a post like this only gets me excited for the 2011 season.
    i loved reading the plan for Alex and a possible DH situation here and there. makes total sense to me. both Alex and Jeter will either get a day off or the occasional DH day. giving them a day at DH would likely mean that is the day Posada would catch behind the plate.

  34. Web December 8th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Crawford to Angels? Anyone hearing anything? There’s some chatter around my office that some sources are saying Crawford will sign with Angels.

  35. Web December 8th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/los-.....id=5899990

  36. rodg12 December 8th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    We could really use a utility infielder that can play 3B and SS. Someone that’s an upgrade over Pena and will allow Nunez to play full-time in AAA. They’ll get quite a few ABs with the rest that ARod and Jeter will require this year.

  37. Web December 8th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Sounds like more speculation rather than fact.

  38. Yank1 December 8th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    So looks like the Yanks didn’t make their offer to Braunecker before he left, according to Sherman. Looks like things are status quo.

  39. Erin December 8th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    JackCurryYES Doesn’t appear Yankees made offer to Lee. Braunecker, Lee’s agent, hasn’t wanted offers, but he knows they’d go in 6-yr, $140 million range.

  40. BD (Boston Dave) December 8th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Is anyone concerned with Lee’s health?

    He had a few issues late in the year with Texas.

    I don’t think it’s serious, but I wonder if this would work (ok I doubt this would work but still):

    Cashman: “We add 7th year but we also add injury clause.”

  41. JEKIKASO December 8th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Girardi is doing alot of ta;ling today. I wonder what cashman is upto? and let’s not forget he dissappeared off the radar for a bit last year too.

  42. Captain Clutch December 8th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    I wonder if Lee wants to stay in Texas and that is why his agent doesn’t want an offer from the Yanks. His agent knows that Texas can only afford a certain amount so he wouldn’t want the whole world to know the Yankees giant offer because he would look bad if Lee takes a lot less to return there. Who knows what is going on but it seems odd that Cash still isn’t allowed to make an offer. I wonder if Texas has already.

  43. West Coast Yankee Fan December 8th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Here’s something that hasn’t been beaten to death. Some athletes should keep their dumb neanderthal stupidity to themselves.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl.....mlb-292970

  44. Erin December 8th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    RiverAveBlues One year ago today: The Yankees traded for Curtis Granderson. #cured

  45. West Coast Yankee Fan December 8th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Or, we can talk about the Mets signing Boof Bonser.

  46. vinny-b December 8th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    BD (Boston Dave):

    if were up to me, if 4 years can’t get it done (which it won’t), i would pass on Cliff Lee all together. Then wait on all the young arms to develop (best starting pitching depth in the minors). Makes no difference to me, if the Yankees have an off year in the process..

  47. Squeakz December 8th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    2010:
    Jeter $22.6MM
    Pettitte: $14MM
    Vazquez: $12MM
    Johnson: $5.5MM

    Total: $54.1MM

    2011:
    Jeter: $17MM
    Lee: $23MM
    Crawford: $18MM

    Total: $58MM…. 2011 Payroll Increase based on these changes: +$3.9MM

  48. JoeyA December 8th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Is Crawford interest more due to Lee uncertainty/his obvious leaning towards Texas or more due to concerns/questions regarding Gardner?

  49. Erin December 8th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    KenDavidoff #Yankees believe, as they have all along, that it’ll come down to them and the #Rangers for Lee. Will Texas match 6 years for $140 mil?

  50. vinny-b December 8th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    “I wonder if Lee wants to stay in Texas and that is why his agent doesn’t want an offer from the Yanks”
    ——————–

    hopefully. Altho, i don’t expect that’s the case.

  51. Giuseppe Franco December 8th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    WCYF,

    For a guy who believes politics on a baseball blog is inappropriate (one of the few things I actually agree with you), you now post a link to an article primarily containing an athlete’s political views.

  52. vinny-b December 8th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    “Is Crawford interest more due to Lee uncertainty/his obvious leaning towards Texas or more due to concerns/questions regarding Gardner?”
    —————————————–

    in the military is referred to as ‘contingency’

  53. JobaTipsHisCap December 8th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Girardi looks sharp in formal dress.

  54. Warning Track Power December 8th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    ESPN continues to say how difficult it will be to sign Lee because the money he’s asking for could equal to 25% of the team’s payroll.
    That is quite a bit of money to dedicate to one play.
    Plus, the rangers already did that once with Alex and look how that turned out for them.

    Unless Lee lowers his price for the rangers(hometown discount), can the rangers actually afford him financially???

  55. LGY December 8th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    I don’t agree with Scott but I don’t have any problem with him expressing his opinion.

    I wish more athletes would be willing to express and particpatr in organizations that share those views instead of being so afraid to say something controversial.

  56. JobaTipsHisCap December 8th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    $140M/6yrs for Lee?
    I think he should go to Washington instead.

  57. JobaTipsHisCap December 8th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    $140M/6yrs is just too much. I guess they really think Yanks are FED, in term of money printing.
    I’d like them walk away from this deal.

  58. Wave Your Hat December 8th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    “in the military is referred to as ‘contingency’”

    No, it is referred to as firing a warning shot across a certain someone’s bow.

  59. Giuseppe Franco December 8th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    LGY,

    I’ve always thought it was a really bad idea for any celebrity (musician, athlete, actor, athlete, etc., etc.) to engage in political discussion because no matter what you say half the country is going to think you’re an idiot.

    That’s just the nature of talking politics. We’re a very divided country in that regard.

  60. randy l. December 8th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    “I don’t agree with Scott but I don’t have any problem with him expressing his opinion.”

    see, that’s where we disagree.

    i don’t even like you expressing your opinion :)

  61. CB December 8th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Just my sense – I don’t think Braunecker has a legitimate 7 year offer in hand right now. He might have some vague potential parameters on a 7 year deal from some club but I don’t think he has an offer. Or it’s some kind of parameters from a team Lee doesn’t want to play for.

    He has that offer and I don’t think he’s playing this drag it out, wait and see game.

    I think he’s trying to cook up a real 7 year offer from somewhere and to take it to the yankees for them to match. But right now he doesn’t have that offer. Thus the silly leaks, leaving early etc.

    The yanks are probably going to open up offering 6/140. They’ll probably go up to 6/150 and that will be it if Lee can’t come up with a better offer.

    But even at 6/150, no team is going to offer a higher AAV. And on a seven year deal they would likely offer 7/160. I don’t see a team going 7/175.

    6/150 vs. 7/160. I think that’s what it’s going to come down to. Then the Yanks have to decide whether they want to match. In turn Lee will need to decide if a 7nth year at 10M guaranteed is enough to make the difference. If Lee is healthy after 6 years and effective he’ll come close to 10M as it is.

    These past couple of days have been a whole lot of noise for nothing. I don’t think Braunecker has the leverage he’s looking for right now.

  62. West Coast Yankee Fan December 8th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Giuseppe Franco December 8th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    WCYF, For a guy who believes politics on a baseball blog is inappropriate (one of the few things I actually agree with you), you now post a link to an article primarily containing an athlete’s political views.

    ***********

    There was a comment made about not having anything new to talk about here. Luke Scott is a baseball player, and his interview is spreading rapidly all over the internet. There is a difference in my opinion between gratuitous political talk and arguing on a baseball blog, and being aware of a ballplayer who has entered that arena in a controversial way.

  63. blake December 8th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Im still not convinced there is a team out there that will match 6/140.

  64. LGY December 8th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    i don’t even like you expressing your opinion

    *******

    :lol:

    I think I have a few opinions I can express about how I feel about you after that comment :mad:

    Luckily its a family blog ;)

  65. LGY December 8th, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    GF

    Definitely a bad idea for the reasons you cite but athletes sure would be a lot more interesting if they did. :)

  66. vinny-b December 8th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    per ESPN

    Rays will not trade Garza.

  67. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    I don’t get why Girardi had to gush about Lee like this……..it makes the Yankees look desperate (which they are). It was silly to say how important getting Lee is when there’s a good chance they won’t get him. I hope the Yankees stay absolutely firm on 6 years IF Braunecker actually decides to allow offers. As per Jack Curry on with Kay earlier, Braunecker really just wants the attention for himself………………this is about him, not Lee.

    Cash is on with Kay now

  68. West Coast Yankee Fan December 8th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    I did offer Boof Bonser as a benign alternative.

  69. randy l. December 8th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    “i don’t even like you expressing your opinion”

    lgy-

    i’ve changed my mind.

    actually it’d be really interesting hearing your real personal opinion.

    so far all i’ve heard is bill james’ opinions from you.

  70. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    So Andy doesn’t think the Yankees are good enough to win without Lee? That’s the impression I got from Davidoff’s tweets. I mean, either Andy wants to pitch or he doesn’t. Why does Lee have anything to do with his decision?

    Wave, the Yankees don’t have to dance to Lee’s tune. Cash said this year that players either want to be Yankees or they don’t. If they make a good, fair offer and Lee rejects it, then that’s all they can do – move on.

  71. Doreen December 8th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Jacob Rupert -

    I recognize your name. You’ve been coming here for a while. You know that this is a temporary thing – kind of a depressurizing – that goes on every now and then when we’re numb from the repetitiveness of the topics at hand. It always goes back to baseball. It’s harmless. And it’s why many of us come to this particular blog – most of the people not only are okay with going off topic once in a while, but end up participating every now and again.

    You can be assured that when the hard news hits, there will be no “crush reports.”

    :)

  72. vinny-b December 8th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    ok, CB, Patrick, etc

    who’s right? (convo with myself and a Braves fan)

    vinny: I can get used to it. It’s better then bein a perennial non-contender. But it’s not my preference via how to run the organization. Yankees have many high-end arms in their system. Likely the deepest starting pitching depth in the minors. Even if it takes 1 to 2 years better to wait on these young arms..

    DB: Obviously you haven’t looked at the Braves farm system. They have one position prospect in the top 100 and the rest are all pitchers. I guarantee no one in baseball would rather have their pitching prospects over the Braves. It’s THAT good. The only problem is that they’ve already got 6 legit starting pitchers on the MLB Roster! It really is insane how little depth they have outside of their pitchers. And that one position guy, Freddie Freeman is going to start at 1B next year…so no more position guys with any real shot anytime soon.

  73. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Girardi said Crawford is a difference maker? No he’s not……and even if was, it’s so silly saying things that are only going to drive his price up.

    Cash basically said “no” to a 7th year.

  74. Gary December 8th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Looks to me like Joe stopped at the bar on the way to the interview. He had some entertaining comments sprinkled about. I think I found this one to be the most profound one:

    For the eighth inning, Girardi said he believes Joba Chamberlain and Dave Robertson can handle the job

  75. austinmac December 8th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    I am getting increasingly pessimistic on the free agent front. It seems to me the Yankee number is indeed now being shopped. If the number was close to getting it done, and having days to hear from others,he would see if he could get it sweetened by the Yankees for a deal. Instead, the Yankee number gets no response. Not a good sign.

    Now, we hear Crawford and the Angels is likely. Let’s hope not because a free agent is needed to create trade depth.

    To make me feel better I hear the Yankees are talking to Feliciano. Whew.

  76. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    So is Davidoff saying the Yankees think Lee would prefer to go to TX if TX matches the offer?

  77. randy l. December 8th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    so gammons thinks the yankees will get lee. just said so on mlb tv.

    i think they have to sign him because too many changes will have to be made if they don’t sign him.

    they’ll need another really good starter.

    that’s not going to be easy.

  78. grouchonyy December 8th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    I think Scott was born on Mars, and Scott’s birth certificate is phony. This isn’t politics, it’s abject stupidity.

  79. joeman December 8th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Lee isn’t coming here

  80. Wave Your Hat December 8th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    “the Yankees don’t have to dance to Lee’s tune.”

    The Yanks don’t have to go home with him, but they have to dance to his tune. I think patience is called for right now.

  81. Gary December 8th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Austin Mac

    I have been feeling that way for awhile, the Yanks easily could be opn the outside looking in. I’ve sort of felt all along that Lee doesn’t come to NY. Crawford to the Halo’s is another big blow. On the heals of the Javy and Nick debacle it could be another ugly winter.

  82. mick December 8th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    randy
    who can possibly outbid us for Lee?

  83. West Coast Yankee Fan December 8th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    Michael Kay is doing an excellent interview with Cashman. He has asked every tough question.

  84. blake December 8th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Kay: would you go 7 years on Lee.
    Cash: I wouldn’t count out what we will do or don’t do.

    Kay: can you do Crawford and Lee.
    Cash: no comment. We are looking at all options both free agency and people are knocking our door down for some players we currently have.

    Paraphrasing the above……

  85. Captain Clutch December 8th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    SI_JonHeyman cliff lee now knows where yanks stand: 6 yrs, $140-150 mil. questions: are #rangers close? are 2 7-year bidders alive?
    ———-

    Now Heyman is questioning the 7 year offer?! LOL Then why tweet such nonsense all day yesterday???!!

  86. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    LOL apparently Braunecker isn’t talking to ESPN because he criticized Bruanecker for not taking any offers…………..

  87. mick December 8th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    people are knocking our door down for some players we currently have.
    =========================
    Royals-Gardner-Greinke connection?

  88. Giuseppe Franco December 8th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Keep in mind that Sabathia didn’t agree to his Yankee deal until Dec 10th of 2008. Today is Dec 8th.

    The dominoes quickly started falling once Sabathia agreed to come aboard.

    I suspect the same thing will happen this time once Lee makes up his mind what he wants to do.

  89. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Wave, I agree with that…………..Cash said as much on with Francesca yesterday. However, the Yankees should do what they have to do and not wait on Lee to make other moves

  90. Gary December 8th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Michael Kay is doing an excellent interview with Cashman. He has asked every tough question.

    ______________________________________________________________________

    And Cash is giving no answers

  91. LGY December 8th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    so far all i’ve heard is bill james’ opinions from you.

    *****

    You’re lucky this is over the internet so I can’t know for sure how often you are rambling on and the fall asleep in your mashed potatoes.so far all i’ve heard is bill james’ opinions from you.

  92. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    Sounds like there’s still some bad blood between Jeter and Cash

  93. CB December 8th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    It’s an interesting comparison between the Yankees and the Braves.

    On the whole I’d say the Braves have better pitching in the minors but the Yankees may have more quality depth throughout.

    The Yankees don’t have any pitching prospects at the level of Julio Teheran right now and that’s the biggest difference. Betances may be comparable a year from now if he has a huge season but he’s not there yet. There are some questions on his body as he’s so slight but he’s got off the charts stuff. He’ll likely go into the season as the best pitcher in the minors (assuming Hellickson and Chapman are in the majors).

  94. mick December 8th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    And Cash is giving no answers
    =====================
    Why do people even listen?
    Are their lives so empty.

  95. Jerkface December 8th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Randy spends more time telling us what a Bill James opinion is than his own. Which i think is alright.

  96. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Not sure that I’d consider Betances as having a slight build at 6’8″ and 245-250.

  97. randy l. December 8th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    “who can possibly outbid us for Lee?”

    mick-

    just watched konerko on mlb tv say he turned down a lot more from the dodgers to stay with the white sox.

    players don’t always go to the highest offer.

  98. West Coast Yankee Fan December 8th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Captain Clutch. Heyman was posing the question, are the 2- 7 year offers still on the table. Teams often withdraw offers during the negotiating process for a multitude of reasons.

  99. bruceb December 8th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
    So Andy doesn’t think the Yankees are good enough to win without Lee?

    Andy is right. There is such a dearth of quality starting pitching out there that the consequences of not signing Lee are frightening, especially if Andy himself decides to retire. We’ll then be banking on Phil Hughes to repeat this year’s win total and AJ to make a miraculous return to form. Even then, we’ll still need two more starters. Nova might be one but would a rotation of CC, Hughes, Burnett, Nova and A.N. Other be enough to win the division? I doubt it.

  100. blake December 8th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    CB,

    Did you mean Baneulos?

  101. mick December 8th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    players don’t always go to the highest offer.
    ============================
    most of the time they do.
    why wouldn’t they?
    wouldn’t you?

    i think they are all out to get the best deal available, didn’t jeter?
    they are making the 7th year an issue but will settle for 6 imo.

  102. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    Players may take less to go to other teams, but they won’t take less to go to the Yankees

  103. MTU December 8th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Betsy-

    Unfortunately many things the Yankees may do are contingent upon
    what happens with Lee.

    I agree with WYH patience is required. However, not unlimited patience.

    The groundwork for plans B, C, and D have already been laid IMO.

    It would be nice if Cash was able to move on more than one front at a time. Not sure he is able to.

    Let’s hope plan A works out so we don’t have to go to plan B.

    ;)

  104. CB December 8th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    “Not sure that I’d consider Betances as having a slight build at 6?8? and 245-250.”

    GB7-

    My post wasn’t clear. When I said “there are some questions on his body…” the “his” I was referring to there wasn’t our right handed Sabathia Jr. of course.

    I was referring to the stick thin Teheran. Did you see him throw when he was down at Rome?

  105. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    MTU, well at some point then they just have to give up the ghost. They have business to conduct and they can’t wait forever……I still think Lee wants to pitch for the Rangers

  106. mick December 8th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Cash will get his man and Lee knows this.
    They are playing him for all he’s worth.

  107. randy l. December 8th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    “Randy spends more time telling us what a Bill James opinion is than his own. Which i think is alright.”

    that last comment makes as much sense as you saying last winter that raphael soriano was just a middle reliever.

    or that the yankees should sign cameron.

    got any sage player advice we can laugh at next winter?

  108. MTU December 8th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    Betsy-

    I agree. The question really is “when” ?

    That’s why they pay Cashman the big bucks I guess.

    I’ll hope for the best.

    :)

  109. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    Sorry for the misunderstanding, CB. You know, I can’t remember if I saw Trheran or not. I saw quite a few games, but, not as many as usual, I spent a lot of time in Florida and such getting tune-ups. I’d need to go through my game stuff to find out. I usually keep score and make notes on the games…just for my own interests. That’s been boxed up for the winter, but, I’ll did out what I have on him and get back with you.

  110. Wave Your Hat December 8th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    randy-

    If people don’t make some wrong predictions they aren’t taking enough chances.

  111. randy l. December 8th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    “i think they are all out to get the best deal available, didn’t jeter?”

    derek kind of limited his options by saying he only wanted to play for the yankees and wouldn’t take offers from other teams.

    we’ll never know what jeter could have got if he announced he was open to offers from other teams.

    maybe it would have been less, maybe more. we’ll never know.

  112. Gary December 8th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Lets face it Cash is frozen by the Lee deal. It’s fun to talk about other options and even to float them, but who would take them seriously without the Lee situation being resolved. No way other agents sit still waiting for this day to day soap opera to end. This can’t go on much longer or we risk being the big loser in the offseason.

  113. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    MTU, Cash has to have the guts to walk away………..It would hurt not to get Lee, but there’s no guarantee he wants to play here and Lee is not bigger than the team.

  114. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    And I would say maybe within the next week…….

  115. mick December 8th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    we’ll never know what jeter could have got if he announced he was open to offers from other teams.
    ======================================================
    randy-
    popular opinion was that nobody could come close to our original offer then he got more than that.
    i don’t believe everything a ballplayer says.

  116. CB December 8th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    GB7-

    I just looked it up – Teheran actually threw only 9 games for Rome total – 7 back in 2009 and 2 more to start out 2010 so there probably wasn’t much of a chance for you to catch him.

    And if you did see him I’m sure you’d remember. He was built almost like like Edwar Ramirez and throws 98. He’s larger now but when he entered the braves organization he was listed as 6’2 and 150.

  117. randy l. December 8th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    “If people don’t make some wrong predictions they aren’t taking enough chances.”

    i was wrong about pettitte coming back after the hgh/clemens mess. i didn’t want him back because i thought he conveniently discovered religion, but he did the right thing in retrospect.

    i also thought vasquez was a good signing last year at the time .

    i just think it’s comical that stat geeks keep stats on everything but their own predictions.

  118. CB December 8th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Marc Carig is reporting that Cashman confirmed that the Yankees did in fact make an offer on Lee before Braunecker disappeared.

    I wonder if that’s why he left?

    http://twitter.com/Ledger_Yankees

  119. JEKIKASO December 8th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    Cashman DID make an offer to Lee

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....esday.html

  120. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    CB December 8th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
    GB7-

    I just looked it up – Teheran actually threw only 9 games for Rome total – 7 back in 2009 and 2 more to start out 2010 so there probably wasn’t much of a chance for you to catch him.

    And if you did see him I’m sure you’d remember. He was built almost like like Edwar Ramirez and throws 98. He’s larger now but when he entered the braves organization he was listed as 6?2 and 150.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Thanks, CB. Maybe I can catch him in Charleston or Savannah, next year. Sounds like he may not be quite ready for High A ball.

  121. 108 stitches December 8th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    No guarantees where Darak Braunecker went when he left the hotel. Unless Jon Heyman paid out of pocket and hired somebody to put a tail on him, or asked the hotel desk to see if he checked out, or checked with the Orlando and Tampa airports, the agent is in central Florida.

  122. CB December 8th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    GB7-

    Teheran went from Sally ball to AA last season as a 19 year old – despite his frame. He’s moved very fast.

    Probably the most talented pitcher in the minors right now. Huge arm and good secondary stuff with good control.

    Only thing that worries people is how thin he is. Not sure if it was a good idea to move his so fast, especially with the pitching depth the Braves have at the big league level.

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