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Report: Crawford signs with Boston

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 08, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I’m nowhere near my computer, but the Boston Globe is reporting that Carl Crawford has signed with the Red Sox.

It’s a seven-year deal worth $142 million.

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302 Responses to “Report: Crawford signs with Boston”

  1. Bret The Hitman December 8th, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    It’s a hoax from PeteAbe.

  2. Benny Blanco December 8th, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    OMG!!!!!!!

  3. LGY December 8th, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    They can’t really put Crawford in LF at Fenway right?

    Anyway they convinced him to play center?

  4. ac1 December 8th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    who cares!!!!!

    SO Boston picked up a few players.

    Truth be told, they needed them.

    And now their payroll is pushing $200 M also.

  5. ac1 December 8th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    Yankees definitely need to have an extra lefty in the pen besides Logan, maybe even two more.

  6. Bronx Jeers December 8th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    I feel like a Sox fan circa Dec. 2008. :sad:

  7. blake December 8th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    Isn’t Crawford playing LF at Fenway kinda like putting a Great White in a swimming pool. Half his value is wasted there…..he’ll make them better but not nearly as much so as the Agon deal did.

  8. LGY December 8th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    If Adrian Gonzalez agrees to a contract that will pay him only $12 million more than Crawford he is nuts.

  9. blake December 8th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    CC, Lee, and Pettite would look good against all those lefties in that BoSox lineup.

    I don’t think Cash takes no for an answer from Lee now.

  10. ac1 December 8th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    with crawford off, the angels are going to get into the leestakes now.

  11. LGY December 8th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    Last year I remember sitting in a pizza place and they had ESPN on the TV.

    When it scrolled across the bottom of the screen that the Red Sox had signed Lackey, I smiled.

    I am having a very similar reaction to this news on Crawford.

  12. ac1 December 8th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    extra lefties in the pen is now more important than anything else not named Lee

  13. christina12 December 8th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Their payroll is not pushing towards 200 million. The other day Pete said they have about 30 million to reach the 176 million level. By spending 20 million this year on Crawford they still have another 10 million to work on the bullpen. Next year they are sheding more than 45 million so his contract and Agon it shouldnt be a problem.

  14. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    I’ll bet Crawford changes his mind about CF once he puts the Sox uniform on…….

  15. CB December 8th, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    repost:

    I really don’t understand the Red Sox. They offered Matt Holliday a take it or leave it 81M offer last winter. They didn’t even try to negotiate with him.

    Instead they funneled that exact offer to the Lackeye who was mediocre and turned out to be a huge over pay.

    A year later they pay Crawford 150% of what they were demanding Holliday take?

    That’s just very poor decision making. They are paying the inferior player much more than what they could have gotten Holliday for last season.

  16. Captain Clutch December 8th, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    The Sox definitely pushed Crawford’s agent to get a deal done before Lee made a decision. Boston knew if Lee signed with Texas the Yanks would be all in on Crawford. Now I expect the Angels to make Lee an offer.

  17. CB December 8th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    repost:

    The Red Sox could have signed Holliday last season for 120M and gone after Cliff Lee this season.

    Instead they wound up with Lackey and Crawford.

    I’ll take that trade.

  18. Carlo December 8th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    Downplay it as much as we want, but this signing hurts us.

    Crawford
    Perdroia
    Youkillis
    Agon
    Ortiz
    Drew
    Ellsbury
    Scutaro
    Salty/Tek

    For a team with a lot of injuries last year and bad years from beckett and papelbon, they are relevent again.

  19. raymagnetic December 8th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    Boston racking up lefty hitters knowing that the Yanks already have CC and are likely going to be signing Lee and will probably entice Pettitte to come back is just silly IMO.

    They also have a closer who is death on lefties.

    But what do I know?

  20. ac1 December 8th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    if everyone is sticking to the lee wants to be near home idea, then the angels are no threat.

  21. CB December 8th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    After your team has made a huge free agent signing why would anyone actually be on a rival team’s blog rather than being happy for your own good fortune?

    How resentful can one be?

  22. PepeSilvia December 8th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    No way yankees are getting Lee, this is bad.

  23. West Coast Yankee Fan December 8th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    ac1 – ok sorry, I didn’t realize that was good news. That our biggest competitor just added two gold glove all-star studs who are 29 years old. My bad.

  24. Mell December 8th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Boston only pays $6.3M for Gonzalez this year, so they’ll be well under $200M.

  25. Web December 8th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    I don’t know……seeing this makes me REALLY hope Lee signs with NY. Anyone feel the same?

  26. LGY December 8th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    CB,

    I really don’t get it.

    Does Matt Holliday have B.O. or something?

    Where was all this money when the best OF in the game at the time was on the market.

    He would have been an absolute perfect fit for the Red Sox.

  27. CB December 8th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Gammons right now on MLB is still saying Crawford to the Angels.

  28. ac1 December 8th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan December 8th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
    ac1 – ok sorry, I didn’t realize that was good news. That our biggest competitor just added two gold glove all-star studs who are 29 years old. My bad.

    __

    It’s not good news, but you are reacting like there is no hope for our team. Basically you are acting like Boston did after we got CC, AJ and Tex.

    I am confident no matter what Boston does, the Yankees are always still at the top. Even without lee, i know they will figure out how to win.

  29. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    The MLB show is a tape from earlier in the evening

  30. Bret The Hitman December 8th, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    Banuelos DEFINITELY a keeper now.

  31. ryanm December 8th, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    PepeSilvia December 8th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
    No way yankees are getting Lee, this is bad.

    The way I see it is this pretty much locks up Lee. You know Lee’s agent will always come back to the Yankees last to see if they will match. And I don’t see how they don’t match.

  32. Kelvin December 8th, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    I think MLB is repeated?

  33. blake December 8th, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    Sox won’t be over 200 M this year but starting next year its probably luxury tax time.

  34. UnKnown December 8th, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    Thats cool let them slug there way into the playoffs and then when the calendar turns to October they will be screwed with their pitching.

    The best pitching always wins in October. And that isn’t the Sux.

  35. pat December 8th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Everyone has lost their minds this year.

  36. CB December 8th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Holliday would have been absolutely perfect for the Sox.

    How good would that line up be and how much more balanced would it be with Holliday’s right handed power bat rather than Crawford’s left handed bat?

    This is not a great use of their resources.

  37. West Coast Yankee Fan December 8th, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    As I have said previously. This is what happens when a GM like Theo can be proactive and aggressive and not have to wait around for others to decide your destiny – like Cashman has “chosen to do” with Lee and Pettitte.

    It’s not over, maybe we will get Lee, make a couple of good trades, but this off-season “so far” has been a zero in terms of improving the club.

    Next time Cashman, pick up the dinner tab.

  38. blake December 8th, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    Ken_Rosenthal

    1. Crawford deal $52M more than next-highest paid player who never hit 20 homers in a season – Ichiro. #RedSox #MLB half a minute ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

  39. CB December 8th, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    Thanks about the mlb hot stove show. Just turned in on. Didn’t see it earlier.

  40. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    How is Cashman supposed to force Lee to make a decision……….and not just a decision, but one in the Yankees favor? And pressuring Andy would be dumb…….

    It’s a problem that the Yankees have to wait around and possibly lose out on their plan B, C and D, but they never would have given this type of deal to Crawford, so we wouldn’t have him in any case

  41. RSM December 8th, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    I?m very surprised by this. It?s not like the Red Sox front office to dole out long term contracts like that. I?m guessing they felt pretty desperate after losing Worth, who as a right handed bat is a much better fit for them.

    Before everyone panics, keep in mind that the Sox still have serious issues. They have no bullpen outside of Bard, are too lefty heavy in the lineup (a real problem when half your games are at Fenway), and have NO starting pitching depth if any pitchers miss time to injury.

    The biggest negative to this deal is that it may very well put the Angels in the Leestakes.

  42. Pat M. December 9th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    You can spin this anyway you care to, but if Crawford to The BoSox is true, they are the team to beat the way things stand right now…….Alittle top heavy from the leftside but make no mistake on paper Boston looks real good….

  43. Fran the original December 9th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    I thought Crawford would wait to sign until after Cliff Lee signed knowing that if the Yankees didn’t get Lee, he could probably drive up his price. And didn’t expect him to sign with Boston.

  44. CB December 9th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    How does Theo get “credit” for throwing 142M at Carl Crawford?

    He’s still spooked by the Yankees coming in late and stealing Tex.

    I don’t buy the yankees being in seriously on Crawford anyway. Just not the right fit for the money.

    The yankees were just leaking these dinner meetings, etc. to push the market for crawford upwards.

  45. Jerkface December 9th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    How are they going to slug their way to playoffs? They’ve replaced Beltre with Agon and just replaced Cameron/Nava/Whatever with Crawford. Their defense will be better but their outfield hit 50+ HRs last year and Crawford is going to be a hard bet to hit 20 every year.

    Its a real lateral move. He gives them speed on the bases, which is always good, but its not like he gets on base all the time. And he strikes out a bunch! And he is neutralized by lefties and the AL east has some nasty ones. And will likely see Lee.

    If Pettitte comes back and Lee signs with the Yankees, Crawford is going to be spending Yankee series twiddling his thumbs or on the bench.

  46. Captain Clutch December 9th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Cashman will most likely go up to $25m per year if he has to. It would really stink if Lee takes a ton less to stay in Texas. Cashman has to get busy.

  47. blake December 9th, 2010 at 12:01 am

    The Red Sox had to make a splash this winter to get their fans watching the games again.

  48. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:01 am

    Pat M.

    It’s true and I owe Nick in SF $25.

    Cashman is crazy to merely tweak this squad.

  49. Drivenbyjeter2 December 9th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    Thank you Cashman for putting ALL of your attention on ONE player that looks like we might not even get!!!!!

    Carl Crawford would have made a GREAT addition to our lineup- now he’s on the red sox. Double hit.
    We could have signed him and then traded Gardner with a High and mid prospect for Greinke. GOOD Going Cash.

    Now there’s nothing left except to get Lee. Lets hope he doesn’t “f” this one up…

  50. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    ac1 – I just commented that the winter isn’t over and that maybe Lee will sign and a couple of good trades will go down. I’m not saying at all that this is terminal.

    But do I like Boston signing AGon and Crawford? No.

    And, I believe that those who make light of their pitching or Ellsbury based on last year are making a big mistake.

  51. Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    Cash is a terrible GM because he spends $$$, but Theo is a genius…………somehow, someway, the mediots will find a way to spin it that way.

    Pat M, I thought that was the case before tonight

  52. Mell December 9th, 2010 at 12:03 am

    Sox won’t be over 200 M this year but starting next year its probably luxury tax time.”

    Pretty sure they went over last year, which is why they were hellbent on not going over this time around and be assessed 30%.

    Next year, they have so much coming off the books (Ortiz, Papelbon, Drew, Cameron, etc), they may dodge it again.

  53. CB December 9th, 2010 at 12:03 am

    Pat M.-

    There’s no question he makes them better. But it comes at a real cost. This is not them signing Youk at a huge discount rate.

    The Red Sox have made Crawford the highest paid outfielder in all of baseball.

    But he’s not close to being the best outfielder in baseball.

    That’s not a good equation for the “rationally” minded, value oriented, hyper market efficiency Red Sox.

    Paying a good player great player money is just not a good idea.

  54. Irreverent Discourse December 9th, 2010 at 12:03 am

    The sky is falling. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

  55. blake December 9th, 2010 at 12:03 am

    Sox have traded Beltre and Vmart for Gonzalez and Crawford. They are better now but not as much as it may seem….the key for them will still be what Beckett and Lackey do.

  56. Jerkface December 9th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    Seeing as how I was not one of the ones predicting Crawford will morph into some kind of Swisher-like power hitter, I am all for this move.

    A guy who is only really good thanks to his defense goes to a team where his defense will be the least useful.

  57. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    I do believe the yankees should seriously consider another bat. A magglio/vlad type. A guy u can put in the outfield and DH because frankly, Posada as an everyday DH is weak. Add outfield depth with a legitimate bat and kill two birds with one stone.

  58. Kelvin December 9th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    Is Crawford 19M better then Brett Gardner?

    I think not LOL

  59. SAS December 9th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    I think I am going to be sick.

  60. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    Once again, they go after the wrong target. What it does say about that farm is that those stud corner infielders and outfielders are not good enough to play in the majors. Last year, all you heard about was Kalish and Reddic k. Right now, Boston has a damned fine line-up. They’re in deep crap if anybody gets hurt though, and beyond their first two starters, they have little unless Berkett, Lackey and Matsuzaka rebound, they’ve got nothing to back them up. The bullpen is even worse.

    They still have minor league catchers, though. They’d better hope for a lot of health.

    NYYs have pitching issues too, but, they do have options. They do have options at other positions, too.

  61. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    I am less annoyed with the sox getting crawford and more annoyed that former lohud ahole broke the story.

    Meanwhile, we get very little scoop these days here.

  62. CB December 9th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    Also – Crawford is may hit more doubles in Fenway but he’s likely going to hit fewer home runs. Outside of that Pesky pole, it’s not easy to pull home runs to RF at fenway.

    And the power Crawford does have is pull power.

  63. Mell December 9th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    “Cash is a terrible GM because he spends $$$, but Theo is a genius”

    There’s no genius in capitalizing on one’s financial advantage. Wasn’t any when Cashman did it in 2008 and there isn’t any when Epstein does it now.

  64. kd December 9th, 2010 at 12:07 am

    theo made a very large mistake. crawford’s game is in his legs. when he’s not stealing bases 4 years into the deal, he’l be a .280 hitting ofer with 15 home runs.

    they also need a right hand bat to even out that lineup.

  65. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 12:09 am

    The Red Sox have done a great job so far. They have played this perfectly. Next year they will be in a position to add another stud pitcher and whatever else they need, replace Drew, etc. with what they have coming off payroll. They just got younger as well. And, they have picked up draft picks.

  66. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 12:10 am

    With the big tickets gone, the offseason comes down to Lee, a lefty pen piece, and a legitimate DH/OF bat…….let posada and montero split time at catcher, but posada as a full time DH is not the answer.

  67. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:10 am

    WCYF,

    Red Sox are definitely back. Tough to spin it.

  68. blake December 9th, 2010 at 12:10 am

    The AL East is going to be crazy next year….gotta go to bed. Maybe some good news when I wake……maybe, hopefully…..we’ll see.

  69. SAS December 9th, 2010 at 12:11 am

    I never want to hear the Sox complain about the Yankees spending too much again. Boston is actually a small market.

  70. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 12:11 am

    “The Red Sox have done a great job so far. They have played this perfectly. Next year they will be in a position to add another stud pitcher and whatever else they need, replace Drew, etc. with what they have coming off payroll. They just got younger as well. And, they have picked up draft picks.”

    ————————–

    Have you looked at the 2012 FA class?

    The Red Sox still have Dice K on the books through 2012 and the closest thing to a stud pitcher on the market next year is CJ Wilson, and he is a long way from stud.

  71. raymagnetic December 9th, 2010 at 12:12 am

    What “stud pitcher” is going to be a free agent next year?

  72. ctyankeefan. December 9th, 2010 at 12:13 am

    Gardner vs Crawford
    Grandy vs Ellsbury/Cameron?
    Swish vs Drew
    Arod vs Youk
    Jete vs Lowry
    Cano vs Pedrioa
    Tex vs Gonzo
    Posada vs Ortiz
    Montero/Posada/? vs Salty/Varitek

    CC/Hughes/AJ/?/? vs
    Lester/Laptop/Beckett/Lackey/DiceK

    All in all I personally still see the teams as being somewhat even. If Lee and Pettite come back then I still say Yanks are the team to beat.

  73. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:14 am

    Joelsherman1

    In Gonzalez/Crawford, #Redsox get 2 late-20s, lefty-swinging, 2-way stars. This is the answer to Sabathia/Teixeira 2 yrs later #Yankees
    2 minutes ago via TweetDeck

  74. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:14 am

    Joelsherman1

    In this move with Crawford, #Redsox made it tougher for #Yankees to win for Lee and win the AL East
    less than a minute ago via TweetDeck

  75. miggs December 9th, 2010 at 12:14 am

    Oh boy! Things are certainly getting interesting now.

    At first I was horrified when I saw the news but the more I think about it the more I like it.

    7 years $142 million? Haha. Look Crawford is a great player, no doubt. But to waste him in LF at Fenway? Also, when he’s 34-35 and doesn’t have the speed anymore then what’s he going to be worth? Not $20 million.

    Anyone who thought the Sox were going to stand pat this offseason is foolish. Anyone who now thinks the balance of power has swung in their direction is equally foolish.

    People forget what great production Beltre gave them last year, in addition to great defense. He’s gone. So is Victor Martinez. Yeah they’re better. Sure they are. But they just took on over $300 million in payroll and they still have TONS of holes.

    As long as Lee ends up signing here everything will be alright.

  76. Yogi Mantle December 9th, 2010 at 12:15 am

    Eh. Its a good move by Boston, but its not the end of the world. Let the mediots gush about the Saux.

  77. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    SI_JonHeyman

    crawford signing probably helps lee. #yankees cant go home empty-handed.
    less than 20 seconds ago via web

  78. CB December 9th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    Before all of the panic sets in full throttle on Lee to the Angels remember the Angels refused to match 7/142 for Crawford – a player who perfectly fits their philosophy and is at limited injury risk.

    Two years ago they refused to match 7/161 for a 28 year old CC Sabathia who had hung out a shingle saying he wanted to play in california.

    They aren’t likely to be very enthusiastic about giving a 32 year old pitcher 150M after passing on Sabathia and Crawford, both of whom are safer investments.

  79. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    They can add pitching through a trade if they want to; the point is the Red Sox organization has handled this masterfully so far.

  80. Pat M. December 9th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    CB….I hear what you’re saying, however come April 2012 The Boston Red Sox are going to be handful……Can we expect Josh Beckett to stay on the decline or will Will Lackey’s elbow finally explode after one more breaking ball ???? Point is, even if those 2 repeat last season’s performances, The Sox have improved their club…..

  81. Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 12:17 am

    How exactly does it make it tougher for the Yankees to get Lee? Because of the Angels? I don’t think they are going to change their plans and go beyond where they were willing to go before Crawford signed.

    I can now avoid all Joel Sherman articles for the forseeable future

  82. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2010 at 12:17 am

    Obviously, it helps the RS, but the money is ridiculous.

  83. tampayank December 9th, 2010 at 12:17 am

    Crawford was beginning to develop more power this year…he’ll go for that pesky poll….I’m a big Crawford fan so this is bad that I have to hate him now that he is headed to Boston

  84. dc in el cerrito December 9th, 2010 at 12:17 am

    Sox had V Mart & Beltre last year, are Crawford & A Gon that much better? I’m not worried about those moves at all.

  85. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:17 am

    At this point I would sign Lee AND trade for Greinke.

  86. pat December 9th, 2010 at 12:18 am

    “Also ? Crawford is may hit more doubles in Fenway but he?s likely going to hit fewer home runs. Outside of that Pesky pole, it?s not easy to pull home runs to RF at fenway.”

    They’ve been talking about bringing in the right field wall 10 feet to “expand the bullpens”. That could help a little.

  87. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2010 at 12:18 am

    “They can add pitching through a trade if they want to; the point is the Red Sox organization has handled this masterfully so far.”

    Masterful? Oh please.

  88. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 12:18 am

    What is shermans logic in how its tougher? If anaheim had money for Lee they would have offered it. Obviously no one was going to win lee with a half a$$’d offer because they were saving the rest for crawford.

    If anything, this takes plan b off the table and the yankees make sure Lee is extended everything he needs. From cashmans statements today, he will be doing considerably more work after lee in the trade mkt as well.

  89. start_wearing_pink December 9th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    Kind of funny. For all the conspiracy nuts out there, the boston media kept this one quiet. Good work by Peter Abraham and the rest of the excellent boston media.

  90. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    The Sox are really executing their off season plan.

  91. tyanksfan36 December 9th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    Personally I don’t care what the Red Sox do. They Yankees will always make it to the playoffs and if they have to beat the red sox to get to the WS then I think they can do it. I don’t know if its cause I’m in Tampa and only know one red sox fan but I have more of a hatred for the Rays than any other team.

  92. CB December 9th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    Pat M.-

    I agree they’ve improved. But it was inevitable that they would given how much money they had to work with after losing out on Tex.

    The Yankees aren’t done yet. They are also going to get better from here on.

    Crawford can be pitched to. You pay a guy 140M and you want a guy who is more dangerous with the bat.

    But short term they are no doubt better.

    At the same time, Tampa is going to be much worse. So it’s back to a two team race most likely with the Jays also better.

  93. BD (Boston Dave) December 9th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    80% of the blog wanted Crawford badly for the Yanks.

    Now 80% of the blog says that the Sox made a poor move or that Crawford won’t be good in 4 years.

    How does that work?

    I’ve been saying all along I didn’t want Crawford at that kind of money. But the Sox are suddenly a force.

    Anybody who doesn’t think so is in denial.

  94. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    5 left handed bats in the starting line-up as is their main outfield back-up. Lee and Pettitte along with another lefty out of the pen would be a big plus.

  95. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 12:20 am

    “They can add pitching through a trade if they want to; the point is the Red Sox organization has handled this masterfully so far.”

    ———————-

    Who are they trading and who are they trading for?

    The Red Sox obviously made themselves better tonight, but to say investing 7/142 into Carl Crawford is a major stretch.

    This is not a good investment for the Red Sox. Anyone paying 142 for Crawford is greatly overpaying. For the Red Sox to do so with their tiny LF is crazy.

  96. raymagnetic December 9th, 2010 at 12:20 am

    “They can add pitching through a trade if they want to; the point is the Red Sox organization has handled this masterfully so far.”

    You’re spinning more than a rinse cycle. You said that they’d be able to sign a stud pitcher. Trading for a pitcher and signing a stud pitcher are two completely differently things

  97. Irreverent Discourse December 9th, 2010 at 12:20 am

    Rays are in trouble I think, and Boston took this chance to put a foot down on their heads.

  98. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    “Now 80% of the blog says that the Sox made a poor move or that Crawford won’t be good in 4 years.

    How does that work?”

    Cost/benefit.

  99. raymagnetic December 9th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Offense wasn’t the Soxer’s problem last year. It was pitching and they’ve done absolutely nothing to address their pitching issues.

  100. pat December 9th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    “#yankees cant go home empty-handed.”

    They could and the season will still start on schedule and go 162 games.

    Doing a stupid contract because someone else did a stupid contract is …. stupid.

  101. Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    If the Yankees don’t get Lee, where are they going for pitching? Not Greinke……….. That’s their biggest concern. Their lineup is set and now they have to hope for several bounceback seasons. Just like the Yankees had to make moves after the 2008 season, so the Sox had to now.

  102. Pat M. December 9th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    CB……The Halos could make a push for Lee and then turn around and move Ervin Santana or Jared Weaver……Many a club would be interested in obtaining either one of those arms……I have to think that last evenings dinner with Crawford, Cashman must have had an idea this could be coming down the pike…..

  103. miggs December 9th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    How have the Sox handled this so masterfully?

    They blew almost their entire farm system for Gonzalez and then gave him $160 million. Then they gave a non-power hitting corner outfielder another $142 million.

    They lost last year because of their pitching. They scored plenty of runs. You guys forget so quickly how things broke down. You also dismiss the enormous contributions of Beltre and Martinez last year.

    Unless the Sox sign Lee the Yankees are still the team to beat.

  104. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:23 am

    I wanted Crawford badly and I’m devastated he’s on the Sox and we have to deal with him and I have to root against him. I love his play and he’s a stand up guy.

    That being said, I think they overpaid…but so did we when we signed Teixeira.

  105. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 12:23 am

    Nice to have Cameron and Kalish as backups.

  106. Irreverent Discourse December 9th, 2010 at 12:24 am

    Bret – At least Teixeira can reach the potential of his contract with his power. Crawford would have to steal 80+ bases a year to come close.

  107. BD (Boston Dave) December 9th, 2010 at 12:24 am

    Sox add 2 lefties.

    Yanks need to add 2 lefties. Lee and Downs.

    Downs can pitch to lefties and righties. He’s no lefty specialist. Hes a legit 7th/8th inning guy.

    Then get a Feliciano to go with Logan as your 2 lefty specialists.

  108. tampayank December 9th, 2010 at 12:25 am

    “# tyanksfan36 December 9th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    Personally I don’t care what the Red Sox do. They Yankees will always make it to the playoffs and if they have to beat the red sox to get to the WS then I think they can do it. I don’t know if its cause I’m in Tampa and only know one red sox fan but I have more of a hatred for the Rays than any other team.

    If the Yanks don’t get Lee, I think a healthy Red Sox team will have the upper hand. Jeter, Posada, AROD=old….even if Pettitte comes back there’s a good chance he doesn’t make it through the whole season again…..Beckett bounces back and their rotation will be better also

  109. RSM December 9th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Sox are better, but I think to describe their offseason so far as “masterful” is a bit of an overstatement.
    Worth was the perfect fit for them. When he was swept out from under their feet, they panicked and overpaid a good player that makes less sense for them.
    Still need bullpen help (and a lot of it).
    Still have no depth at starting pitching.

    Lee will swing the balance of power in the AL East.
    If the Yankees get Lee, they are still the better team. If they don’t, Boston is the team to beat.

  110. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 12:16 am
    They can add pitching through a trade if they want to; the point is the Red Sox organization has handled this masterfully so far

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Exactly what the Hell do they ave to trade to get pitching? Drew? ellsbury? Lars Anderson? They have nothing left worth trading for the next 3 years.

  111. BD (Boston Dave) December 9th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Rich in NJ,

    Why was Crawford a great add for the Yanks but a bad one for the Sox?

    That’s the point.

  112. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    Sign Lee.

    Sign Pettitte.

    Trade for LF.

    Trade for an elite reliever.

  113. gripwv December 9th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    Don’t worry guys, its not over yet. Hell, no games have even been played. Have Cashman and the Yankees made any big moves yet? No. But, for all the years we have all been Yankees fans have they ever really let the Red Sox outdo them? No. Its still early guys and I am sure the Yankees have some moves up their sleeve. Have faith in the process and LETS GO YANKEES!!!

  114. BD (Boston Dave) December 9th, 2010 at 12:28 am

    Yanks @ Sox

    Opening Day

    4 months away….

  115. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 12:28 am

    I think those whose reaction to the Red Sox improving themselves immensely is to talk about poor contracts and spending money is spin . I am quite sure that the Red Sox ownership and baseball executives are quite aware what the reality is and what they are doing.

  116. SAS December 9th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    The Sox outfielder, Kalish, looked pretty good to me. Can they trade him for a catcher??? Ugh

  117. Irreverent Discourse December 9th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    It will be fun watching Gardner outperform Crawford on the basepaths this year.

  118. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    7 years for Cliff Lee…

    BobKlap

    #Yankees will almost certainly go to a seventh year for Lee now. They might as well give him a blank check to counter Sox’ LH power.
    8 minutes ago via TweetDeck

  119. BD (Boston Dave) December 9th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    Sign Lee.

    Sign Downs.

    Sign Feliciano.

    Welcome back Andy.

    Fill out bench.

    Done.

    Done.

  120. UnKnown December 9th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    So I guess 7 years for Lee is no longer that stupid of a move. Huh?

  121. Squeakz December 9th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    WHAT IF…. The red sox go all out and sign Lee???? Then what???

  122. pat December 9th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    SI_JonHeyman meanwhile, pettitte told #yankees he can still pitch but isnt sure he can still do work necessary to do so. groin injury weakened him.

  123. Mell December 9th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    “will be fun watching Gardner outperform Crawford on the basepaths this year.”

    He going to be juggling swords or something?

  124. Irreverent Discourse December 9th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    Squeakz – Then they will be good.

    In 3 years they’ll be choking on their payroll and have to tear down fenway.

    this is a win-win situation.

  125. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    JackCurryYES

    Cashman on whether the Crawford deal impacts the Yankees’ pursuit of Cliff Lee. “This could make it tougher.”
    1 minute ago via Mobile Web

  126. PepeSilvia December 9th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    Ughhhhh, this is bad.

  127. Pat M. December 9th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Tin Cup must be asleep, I was expecting him to blast through the door once he heard the news…..Mr. Lee just earned himself a quick 5 million tonight………Also Kevin Towers will be asking just a tad more for Mr. Upton when the phone rings tomorrow morning…..

  128. Irreverent Discourse December 9th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    it should be illegal to quote jon heyman. he clearly has no idea what he’s talking about. crawford just signed with BOSTON.

  129. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Boston Dave – bat required more so than 3 lefties in the pen. With CC, Lee, and the training wheels off hughes, the pen gets more time off than they did last year.

    If u go for downs, feliciano is meaningless.

  130. Squeakz December 9th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Lee night just got better, way better he’s probably throwing a party right now on the good things($) to come

  131. BD (Boston Dave) December 9th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Lets assume (yes, big and early assumption) both the Yanks and Sox make the playoffs and reach the ALCS.

    Could the Yanks rotation be?

    CC
    Lee
    Pettitte
    Hughes

    Hmm…

    Where are those righty hitters Boston? Pedroia and Youk? That’s it?

  132. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    JackCurryYES

    Cashman on Red Sox: “They have made some serious improvements. They are going to make it tough on us.”
    2 minutes ago via Mobile Web

  133. tyanksfan36 December 9th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    Tampayank says:

    December 9, 2010 at 12:25 am

    “# tyanksfan36 December 9th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    Personally I don’t care what the Red Sox do. They Yankees will always make it to the playoffs and if they have to beat the red sox to get to the WS then I think they can do it. I don’t know if its cause I’m in Tampa and only know one red sox fan but I have more of a hatred for the Rays than any other team.

    If the Yanks don’t get Lee, I think a healthy Red Sox team will have the upper hand. Jeter, Posada, AROD=old….even if Pettitte comes back there’s a good chance he doesn’t make it through the whole season again…..Beckett bounces back and their rotation will be better also

    Well if it turns out the Yankees suck next year then ill just enjoy some stress free baseball and not being a nervous freak wanting the Yankees to be in first place like I normally do, ill then have high hopes for the next season.

  134. coney1 December 9th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    Bret,

    Which means he expects the Angels to enter the fray….Cashman doesn’t seem like a guy who is confident he will get his man

  135. yclept December 9th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    If I were a Red Sox fan:

    1) I wouldn’t love the contract Crawford got;
    BUT:
    2) I would be ecstatic about the 2011 team.

    Maybe in year 4 or 5, Crawford will have lost his speed and will no longer be a big offensive force. But that’s a tough assumption to make; because nobody knows when Crawford will lose his speed to the point where it won’t be an asset anymore. Ichiro still gets around quite well. And Crawford is such a plus runner that a gradual downgrade in his speed will still leave him above average.

    I don’t think the Yankees need to go out and sign every lefty on the market; I would be shocked if Cashman didn’t sign one of the remaining left-handed relievers. And perhaps he emphasizes that a bit more on Thursday rather than wait until later. We’ll see. But it’s hardly time to panic and do something stupid. If Lee goes elsewhere, it is time for a new gameplan. There is no guarantee that Crawford was ever a part of the Yankees plan, Lee or no Lee.

  136. djsunyc December 9th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    what if we took carlos beltran off the mets hands for a minor league player? he’s owed $18 mil or so and is still a quality player.

  137. Pat M. December 9th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    Mell….Very funny line……

  138. Irreverent Discourse December 9th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    Ichiro is a ninja. Crawford ran around on turf for 7 years.

  139. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    Pat M.

    Upton is looking really good for LF right about now.

  140. Squeakz December 9th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    My early estimates is Cliff Lee to the yankees 7 years/ $175M

  141. Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    I don’t think so, Klapisch…………..

  142. pat December 9th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    Pujols cursing his option with all the money flowing this year.

  143. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    If the groin injury weakened him and he can’t do the work, then no, he can’t pitch…..so either heyman or andy make no sense. Frankly, andy coming back would be great, but so would getting younger and less expensive by making a move and using the farm talent.

  144. UnKnown December 9th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Boston Dave this is what I am saying. The Sox might rattle off 110 victories next year but then what. All that hitter goes away in October it always does. Pitching wins the day in October, that is when the Yankees will steal the show in the ALCS.

  145. Irreverent Discourse December 9th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Upton will look great in LF in 3 years when the Diamondbacks finally trade him to the Yankees.

    You really need to get him out of your head, he is not coming to NY any time soon.

  146. BD (Boston Dave) December 9th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Carlo,

    Downs isn’t a lefty specialist. He’s your 7th or 8th inning guy.

    Feliciano wouldn’t be a big need but he could be very useful against the big bats in the AL of the contenders.

    Mauer
    Morneau

    Hamilton

    Crawford
    Gonzalez

    etc

  147. Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Tough to hear about Andy………..

  148. yclept December 9th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    coney1 -

    Ever hear a Cashman interview? He never really sounds confident about anything he is doing; he downplays everything. I don’t think we can “read” anything into anything Cashman says…he traditionally keeps everything pretty close to the vest. Did you hear Cashman once tell the world that he thought CC Sabathia would definitely sign? No. He put an offer out there, waited for CC to call, then flew out to SF to seal the deal.

    There is nothing more Cashman can do than to put a fair offer on the table and hope the player takes it. He doesn’t have to sell anything, really – the Yankees’ track record speaks for itself, and every major leaguer knows that you can live in a quiet neighborhood while still playing under the intense spotlight. So let us just see what happens.

  149. Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Cash sounds like he’s on suicide watch

  150. Bronx Jeers December 9th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    142 million for a player with a career OPS+ of 107. That’s got be a new record. But that’s a stat that will probably get better before it gets worse.

    The money’s flowing this year that’s for sure.

    And the Yank’s starting offer for Lee probably just became an afterthought. Is that the 7 year offer I smell heating up?

  151. BD (Boston Dave) December 9th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    yclept,

    I agree.

    However, I assure you they are dancing in the streets here in Boston.

    The fanbase is reinvigorated.

  152. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    The Yankees have little choice but to go seven on Lee if that is what they need to do.

  153. pat December 9th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    BloggingBombers According to a source, the Angels had offered Crawford a seven-year deal worth $108 million.

  154. Irreverent Discourse December 9th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Betsy – Why on earth would you believe a word heyman says?

    Tomorrow when I’m bored at work, I’m going to randomly paste all the tweets about Crawford “definitely” going to the Angels.

    All day.

  155. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:39 am

    coney1 December 9th, 2010 at 12:34 am
    Bret,

    Which means he expects the Angels to enter the fray….Cashman doesn’t seem like a guy who is confident he will get his man

    *********

    Not worried about the Angels. Their offer for Crawford fell WAY short. 7 years 108 million.

    34 million short to be exact.

    Bunch of misers over there.

  156. Squeakz December 9th, 2010 at 12:39 am

    This blog will be really interesting tomorrow. We are officially on panic mode and I may be crazy, but I looooove the drama lol. Can’t waittt lol.

  157. PepeSilvia December 9th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    One thing is certain, if Cliff Lee doesn’t sign with the yankees, he will be getting booed when he comes to visit.

  158. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    UnKnown December 9th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Boston Dave this is what I am saying. The Sox might rattle off 110 victories next year but then what. All that hitter goes away in October it always does. Pitching wins the day in October, that is when the Yankees will steal the show in the ALCS.

    **************

    With what pitchers? Sabathia, Burnett and Hughes — against Lester, Buchholz and Beckett?

  159. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    Didn’t boston win the offseason last year with lackey, beltre, cameron signings? That worked out great.

  160. start_wearing_pink December 9th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    very funny Mell…

    If the Yankees do not get Cliff Lee, the Red Sox, even with injuries have the AL East sealed up.

  161. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Cashman on suicide watch :roll:

    Sherman: Cashman said could imagine Crawford signing emboldening Lee to push for more, but said ‘no’ when asked if it would change #Yankees tactics 2 minutes ago via ÜberTwitter

  162. coney1 December 9th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Joelsherman1

    Cashman said could imagine Crawford signing emboldening Lee to push for more, but said ‘no’ when asked if it would change #Yankees tactics

    Of course he is going to say that Joel! What did you think he would say? “Well Joel, now that Boston has signed Crawford, Hal and I have decided we would write Cliff a blank check and just tell him to fill it in”.

  163. Fran the original December 9th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Not worried about the Angels. Their offer for Crawford fell WAY short. 7 years 108 million.
    *********************************
    Huge difference. Crawford had to accept much like Werth did.

  164. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    Carlo

    Don’t you know?

    The Red Sox win every offseason.

    And every draft.

    And every trade deadline.

    Just not so much in October the past couple years.

  165. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    TylerKepner

    Yankees never made an offer to Crawford. Believed Crawford + Greinke trade would have been too costly. Everything hinges on Lee.
    4 minutes ago via web

  166. coney1 December 9th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    Hmmm..so they are considering Greinke

  167. start_wearing_pink December 9th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    No Carl. Last offseason was a bridge offseason, with Lackey the only long-term key signing.

  168. yclept December 9th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    BD,

    They should dance in the streets – the team has been upgraded significantly. There’s really no way to downplay that – I would love to as a Yankees fan completely destroy what the Sox have done this winter…but I can’t.

    Red Sox fans will worry about a declining Crawford in 2015 – why should they care about that NOW? Just like Yankees’ fans for the most part won’t care about what Cliff Lee will be doing in 2015 if he signs with the Yankees. It’s all about the NOW.

  169. Irreverent Discourse December 9th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    I think if Cashman had said “Don’t worry, we’re making Cliff a hat made of $100 bills” rather than “We aren’t going to publicly flinch like amateurs”… you would all have been happier.

  170. SAS December 9th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    Betsy,

    Is there something new about Andy, other than he is unsure he wants to return?

  171. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    SW Pink: What did boston spend last offseason? What did the rest of the AL East spend combined?

    The “bridge” offseason was the one where they signed penny and smoltz and went with the “really prudent low risk high reward strategy”

  172. Dylan December 9th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    Joelsherman1:

    #Yankees never bid on Crawford, really were bluffing hoping to drive up prices. Their whole 2011 OF (Granderson, Gardner, Swish) will (cont)

    Make $2M less Crawford. #Yankees saw that as good production for $. So it is all-in on Lee, no bluffing now

    Looks like their plan worked!

  173. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    Joelsherman1

    #Yankees never bid on Crawford, really were bluffing hoping to drive up prices. Their whole 2011 OF (Granderson, Gardner, Swish) will make $2M less Crawford. #Yankees saw that as good production for $. So it is all-in on Lee, no bluffing now

  174. SAS December 9th, 2010 at 12:47 am

    Sign Manny for a year.

  175. start_wearing_pink December 9th, 2010 at 12:47 am

    Adrian Gonzalez and agent would have to be stupid to take only 8-15 million more than Carl Crawford. Gonzo is an MVP candidate and far superior to CC.

  176. G. Love December 9th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    I’m stunned.

    At this point I want Cashman to sign Lee and trade for Greinke.

    Regardless of what the Red Sox paid him, their lineup just added two young in their prime offensive stars. One of which in Gonzalez will challenge for MVP’s.

    The Yankees suddenly feel older and more feeble. Between Jeter’s decline, Tex not being a consistent force, Arod’s hip and Jorge being our DH I don’t have the same feeling right now I did for this team.

    I’m stunned the Sox gave up that much money. They clearly wanted to win back their fans and they have.

    As for the Yankees next season we need more bats and more arms.

    We’re not going to win the division with guys who take months off and a leadoff man who can’t get on base.

    This was a shot to the jaw. Cashman better hope Lee doesn’t really want to go somewhere else because we’re in deep trouble without him and Andy.

    Deep trouble.

    If he can save Montero in a Greinke trade he has to.

    But I want to see him add Lee & Greinke.

    At this point improving our pitching is our only hope if the lineup continues to be a streaky mess. We don’t have the pitchers outside of CC to handle what the Red Sox are throwing out there.

    Hats off to them. They’ve built a monster team.

  177. Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    I hope Sherman is right…………..and that they don’t give more to Lee than they were willing to give. 7 years would be a terrible deal……and if Lee wants to pitch here, he’ll accept their fair offer. If not, then the Yankees will have to get creative………..

    Well their bluff worked, lol

  178. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 12:49 am

    Magglio/Manny/Vlad – pick one.

  179. start_wearing_pink December 9th, 2010 at 12:49 am

    the penny, smoltz offseason was the “brilliant” low risk signings.

    last year was the bridge year.

    This year is the year they’re in it to win it. At least they cant cry poverty anymore.

  180. coney1 December 9th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    G. Love,

    I don’t want Greinke if it costs them Montero. They are going to need Montero’s bat in this aging lineup if they are going to go up against A-Gon and Crawford

  181. raymagnetic December 9th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    Cashman just about to slit his wrists. :|

  182. Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    Well I hope Kepner is wrong because there is a decent chance that Lee doesn’t sign here. I don’t want my GM thinking that if we don’t get Lee we’re basically screwed.

  183. tampayank December 9th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    “# Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    JackCurryYES

    Cashman on whether the Crawford deal impacts the Yankees’ pursuit of Cliff Lee. “This could make it tougher.”
    1 minute ago via Mobile Web

    maybe he thinks Texas has a real shot here :(

  184. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    BD

    My sense is that the cost outweighs the benefit. We’ll see.

  185. Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    SAS, just the tweet about his groin being weak and Andy not being sure he could hold up………..

  186. The Other Phil December 9th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    Everyone knows everything and no one knows anything.

    Boston got better but not that much over last year. And they’re now left heavy.

    If I’m not mistaken, they still have Lackey, Beckett and Papelbon on their pitching staff. Along with Daisuke too. Not exactly scared of those guys.

    If the Yankees get Lee, things even out again. If not, then Cash goes to plan B. It is what it is.

    Those saying Cash is a moron, should be fired, whathaveyou… well, you were probably saying that last year, the year before that, the year before that… So that just shows what you know…

  187. coney1 December 9th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    What about signing Beltre and making A-Rod the DH?

  188. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    G. Love,

    I’m with you on Lee and Greinke.

    Still want to upgrade LF but it would be impossible after a Greinke trade.

    I’d love to trade for an elite reliever as well.

    Again, impossible after a Greinke trade.

    Still CC, Lee, Greinke, Hughes, AJ is a phenomenal rotation.

  189. Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Greinke is not coming here……the Yankees are not going to trade their farm for a guy who is as big a risk as he is.

  190. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2010 at 12:52 am

    I think what Cash means is that this gives Lee more leverage.

  191. jacksquat December 9th, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Haha, thank you Nationals!

    The only thing better than the Yankees *not* overpaying for Crawford, is the Red Sox overpaying for Crawford.

    I say our lineup is *still* better.

  192. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2010 at 12:53 am

    “What about signing Beltre and making A-Rod the DH?”

    What do you do with Posada?

  193. raymagnetic December 9th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    That sound you just heard was Cashman stepping in the deep doo doo that the Yankees are in.

    LMFAO.

  194. coney1 December 9th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Rich,

    Split time with Montero at catcher instead of signing Russell Martin. They Yanks need another bat, and preferrably not another one over 35

  195. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Why do all of you think Cashman is ready to slit his wrists? There wasn’t a real belief Cashman was in on Crawford at the start of the offseason, why should crawford going to boston make cashman want to kill himself? It doesn’t impact lee, no matter how people want to paint it. If lee wants to come to ny, then he will. If he doesn’t, he won’t, and the money won’t matter. Crawfords decision changes nothing.

  196. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    SOX WERE MYSTERY TEAM ON CLIFF LEE
    Do we have our mystery team?
    4 minutes ago by KenRosenthal
    Before signing Carl Crawford, the Red Sox may have engaged in some good old-fashioned negotiating hijinks.
    It would be just like the Sox to throw a monkey wrench into the Yankees’ attempt to sign Cliff Lee
    And this little stunt, if it indeed happened, would have qualified.
    The Sox are one team that made a seven-year offer to Lee, according to officials with another club.
    But there was a catch.
    The offer was for a lower dollar figure than Lee would accept, making it an offer that Lee was certain to refuse.
    Why would the Sox do such a thing?
    Because with such an offer, they would empower Lee’s agents to say they had a seven-year bid, potentially forcing the Yankees to increase their six-year proposal.
    The Yankees do not plan to go beyond six years for Lee, according to a source with knowledge of the club’s thinking.
    The Red Sox often bid on free agents that the Yankees want to drive up the price. The Yankees often do the same thing in reverse. In fact, that was at least part of their motivation in entering the fray for Crawford.

  197. SAS December 9th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    Thanks Betsy

  198. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    The RS were in on Lee just like the Yankees were in on Crawford. That’s SOP not new. Rinse. Repeat.

  199. The Other Phil December 9th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    Let’s sign everyone that’s left on the market and trade for every available player too. That should stop the MIGHTY RED SOX!!!1!

    :roll:

  200. G. Love December 9th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    All I know is Boston just made it a helluva lot harder for Jeter, Mo and Posada to win one more before heading out to the sunset.

    Regardless of their pitching issues, at least they have a rotation in place.

    We have CC, Phil and AJ. I realize Nova should be in the mix but he’s not yet as good as anyone they have currently.

    Next year isn’t a year to develop a starting pitcher in the rotation. They’ll get their brains beat in.

    And no one thought Boston won the off season last year. Everyone mocked Cameron and Beltre and thought Lackey would implode.

    Right now, they’ve won the off season. Even if we get Lee it’s not enough.

    We can’t trade Montero. We need younger more potent bats. The sleepy “we’ll pick it up and get hot later” routine ain’t going to cut it unless Boston has another injury filled season.

  201. Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 12:56 am

    Well, that bluff from the Sox didn’t work……

  202. Dylan December 9th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    No reason to panic now. Did the Red Sox get better? Sure. But they lost two very good hitters, and added two very good hitters. Also, their lineup is now stacked with left-handed hitters, meaning they will be vulnerable to left-handed pitching (CC, Lee, Pettitte anyone?), and they won’t be be able to take advantage of the Green Monster. I just hope we don’t panic and offer Lee 7 years, or trade all of our prospects away for Greinke.

  203. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    G. Love,

    Another outstanding post.

    I’m all for Lee and Greinke.

    We are stockpiled with pitching prospects and catching prospects for the Royals.

  204. start_wearing_pink December 9th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    No kidding, Betsy. The Yankees are not going to deviate from their plan.

  205. The Other Phil December 9th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Boston can win the off-season, pre-season and even regular season. As long as they don’t win the post-season, I don’t care.

  206. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 1:00 am

    So, if true. It appears as if Jon Heyman was right after all about a seven year offer.

  207. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2010 at 1:01 am

    coney1

    Cash has seemed to indicate that Po is not a viable option at C.

  208. G. Love December 9th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    While the Red Sox lost Martinez and Beltre, Crawford and Gonzalez far surpass them and they don’t lose much offense at 3b moving Youkilis over there.

    They added an element of speed to that club. If they keep Ellsbury, having him and Crawford in the lineup will drive our catchers insane.

    Listen, I love the guys on the team but outside of Cano, Gardner and Swisher most of them slept walk through last year.

    This team needs another bat. I’m really starting to hate using Jorge as DH as there are better hitters out there to play at DH.

    If we miss out on Lee it’s bad. I hope Cashman hasn’t been bluffing about all the irons in the fire he has.

    It’s time to make something happen. Being beholden to our older offensive stars is starting to feel a lot less warm and fuzzy than it used to feel.

  209. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    “All I know is Boston just made it a helluva lot harder for Jeter, Mo and Posada to win one more before heading out to the sunset.”

    It won’t be all that hard if Posada and Jeter revert to or near their career norms. If not, then yes, it could be harder.

  210. Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    SAS, you’re welcome!

  211. Pat M. December 9th, 2010 at 1:04 am

    I was under the assumption that Carl Crawford was Plan B by moving Swisher in part for a starter……I told SJ today that after last nights dinner with Carl Crawford the Angels were suddenly concerned about inking him……I never thought Pettite was coming back however I thought Lee would have been a done deal by tomorrow……

  212. G. Love December 9th, 2010 at 1:05 am

    Rich in NJ,

    You think they’re going to revert to their career norms? If you do, you’re a lot more confident than I am about what they will contribute offensively.

    The person who has to become a force is Texeira. Enough of the stupid Giambi routine. He was a different hitter before signing with us. If he hits .250 for the season he better hit 50 HR’s then. Watching him pound it into the shift is old already.

  213. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 1:05 am

    G. Love,

    You talk about upgrading the offense but you haven’t picked a position to upgrade.

    Which position are you wanting to upgrade?

  214. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    “While the Red Sox lost Martinez and Beltre, Crawford and Gonzalez far surpass them and they don’t lose much offense at 3b moving Youkilis over there. ”

    ———————–

    How do Crawford and AGon far surpass Beltre and Martinez?

  215. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Pat – where do u see the yanks turning if andy doesn’t come back but they do sign lee. I don’t see them going to battle with nova, especially given the lack of trust in burnett.

  216. 4 NYY December 9th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    Would Yanks go after Fielder as a full time DH ?

  217. Captain Clutch December 9th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    I really don’t think the Crawford signing has anything to do with Lee and the Yanks. I don’t see them adding a 7th year unless it’s a Jeter like contract based on performance. The Angels need offense and don’t need Lee. I definitely don’t think the Rangers will match the yanks offer. The question is will Lee take less to go back there? Hopefully Cashman gets that answer soon so he can move on. Cash definitely has to get another hitter. Posada as the everyday DH isn’t good enough.

  218. Jerkface December 9th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    While the Red Sox lost Martinez and Beltre, Crawford and Gonzalez far surpass them and they don’t lose much offense at 3b moving Youkilis over there.

    Am I living in a world where .302 .351 .493 .844 and .321 .365 .553 .919 are chop liver? Thats what V-mart and Beltre did for the Sox. Youkilis hasn’t played 162 games ever and is now at a more strenuous position which he does not play as well.

    They added a guy whose best season is barely better than what V-Mart did as a catcher/1b/DH. Crawford basically needs to continue to hit like its 2010 or the contract is a real blow. He pulls a hammy, or has any kind of nagging injury which affects his speed and the Sox have a 20 mil paper weight.

    The Red Sox Offense was very good last year, and they haven’t quite juiced it with their signings.

  219. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    Brett – the DH/OF can use a bat upgrade. Between resting swish/gardner/grandy and in the dh spot, there is plenty of at bats for a legitimate hitter in that slot. going into the year with such a thin outfield and posada as the dh is not optimal.

  220. jacksquat December 9th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    Yanks don’t need another big bat.

    They need Lee, and Andy or another 3/4 type.

  221. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    # LGY December 9th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    How do Crawford and AGon far surpass Beltre and Martinez?

    ************

    They are both 3 years younger to start.

  222. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    G. Love

    I’m very skeptical, but my point really is that Mo, Jeter, and Posada have no special right to another ring if they don’t earn it. They can’t expect the RS or any other team not to go all out to win.

  223. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    Carlo,

    DH/OF???

    Doesn’t sound too appetizing, man.

  224. 4 NYY December 9th, 2010 at 1:11 am

    I do think Yanks need a full time DH ? Not a platoon group there.

    It’s just the way it works in A. L.

  225. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 1:11 am

    DH/OF sounds generic.

    Rotating lineups sounds weak.

    I want to know a specific single position that could be upgraded and a target(s) for that specific position.

  226. UnKnown December 9th, 2010 at 1:11 am

    WCYF I am obviously counting on the Yankees signing Lee. If not no I don’t expect an ALCS matchup to favor the Yankees with CC, Hughes, and AJ.

  227. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    They are both 3 years younger to start.

    ———————–

    Ok…

    What about their production?

    Younger =/= better

  228. seeknay December 9th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    How does Cashman expect Jesus Montero to control the running game? Crawford and Ellsbury on the bases stealing freely against Montero? Are we going to sign Russell Martin or what?

  229. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    Bret- I think ur statement is over my head.

  230. The Other Phil December 9th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    Beltre 2010: .321/28/102/.365/.553
    Crawford 2010: .301/19/90/.356/.495

    VMart: .302/20/79/.351/.493
    AGonz: .298/31/101/.393/.511

    All looks pretty similar to me…

  231. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    Jesus Montero is freakin’ toast with Crawford and Ellsbury on the base paths.

  232. G. Love December 9th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    Bret,

    I would upgrade at DH and I would look to see if there’s an upgrade to make in the OF.

    I would bench Posada and make him the backup catcher and find a DH who gets on base better than him and is a more polished hitter who hits for average. I would consider Manny as DH on an incentive driven deal.

    In the OF I would call up the Dodgers and see what it would take to get Kemp or call Cleveland to try to get Choo.

    We have to keep Montero though because we need a young power bat to build around with Cano.

    It’s a tall order now. Cashman will look desperate to everyone and we sure aren’t getting any Adrian Gonzalez type deals where we give up nothing and get an MVP.

  233. eh7879 December 9th, 2010 at 1:14 am

    RED SOX were Mystery team to offer Cliff Lee a 7 year contract!

    http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/.....am/3759685

  234. Squeakz December 9th, 2010 at 1:14 am

    If the Yankees miss out on Lee… Cashman will be on the phone with the giants and the M’s officially offering the entire Scranton Wilkes barres yankees including the stadium and a player to be named later in exchange for king Felix or Lincecum

  235. seeknay December 9th, 2010 at 1:14 am

    Are the Yankees going to let the Red Sox steal Russell Martin too?

  236. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2010 at 1:15 am

    Pat M. December 9th, 2010 at 1:04 am
    I was under the assumption that Carl Crawford was Plan B by moving Swisher in part for a starter……I told SJ today that after last nights dinner with Carl Crawford the Angels were suddenly concerned about inking him……I never thought Pettite was coming back however I thought Lee would have been a done deal by tomorrow……

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    How about a little creative 3 team trade. The Cubs are in discussions with Tampa for Garza. Cubs make their trade and flip Garza, along with one of their bad contacts like Fukudome for two of the young pitchers like Mitchell and Nova or Chamberlain and Swisher.

  237. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 1:15 am

    DH – vlad/magglio/manny

    Needs to be able to be placed in the OF though so the DH spot can also be used on occassion for Al and Posada. Posada as everyday DH is worse then nick johnson.

  238. 4 NYY December 9th, 2010 at 1:15 am

    Love Posada, but he can’t equal Big Poopi as a D H & part time catcher at this stage of his carreer.

    And we definitely need a catcher who can throw.

  239. dc in el cerrito December 9th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    # LGY December 9th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    “While the Red Sox lost Martinez and Beltre, Crawford and Gonzalez far surpass them and they don’t lose much offense at 3b moving Youkilis over there. ”

    ———————–

    How do Crawford and AGon far surpass Beltre and Martinez?

    ————————————————————————————-

    Exactly, I posted this earlier.

  240. CB December 9th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    There’s no need to panic on this move by the Sox.

    They were going to get better. It was inevitable given that they still had all of the money from not signing Tex in their pockets and contracts coming off the books.

    They were always going to make big changes. The real question is whether or not they would be the right changes.

    The Gonzalez deal was a steal for them. Huge get.

    Getting Crawford for 7/142 is a huge overpay. It does make them better short term but he is simply not worth that kind of money.

    This has a shot to be like the Angels signing of Torii Hunter. Nice player. Not close to being worth the money.

    I thought it would be a bad idea for the Yanks to sign Crawford at these kinds of dollars. The same goes for the Sox.

    Signing Matt Holliday last year and then adding Gonzalez this off season would have been huge shifts in balance. Crawford is good – not great.

    They are better – but at a large cost.

    What this signing really speaks to is the failure of Jacoby Ellsbury to develop into the superstar so many were predicting him to be. It also tells you what they think of Ryan Kalish and their other OF prospects.

    Spending 142M is not a strategic triumph for the Sox. Their entire “philosophy” that they’ve been so lauded for was to acquire wins by developing talent internally at a cheaper rate than the yankees could do so by buying wins off the free agent market.

    That strategy has been completely inverted. The Yankees have Montero coming into the team. The Sox may have no significant young players being added to their team this season and they just trade their best young pitcher. And because of this gap in talent development they’ve been forced to turn to the free agent market to acquire wins at an enormous cost.

    The Red Sox did what they needed to do. But this was not good for their organization and spending more money on Crawford than Holliday would have cost was an enormous strategic mistake.

  241. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    LGY December 9th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    They are both 3 years younger to start.

    ———————–

    Ok…What about their production? Younger =/= better

    ***********

    AGon is a better ballplayer than V-Mart. Crawford is a better ballplayer than Beltre. And, they are in their prime.

    If you were to ask every GM in baseball would they trade AGon for V-Mart and Crawford for Beltre the answer would be a resounding 30-0 no.

  242. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    G. Love,

    C’mon man. You know they’re not going to bench Posada and let Manny Ramirez waltz in here and steal his playing time.

    If you get Kemp or Choo, where do they play?

    They’re a big upgrade over Gardner but not Grandy or Swish.

    And you love Gardner…

  243. Pat M. December 9th, 2010 at 1:17 am

    Carlo……Let’s just hope that if Cliff Lee isn’t in the Bronx that Cashman doesn’t try to force a trade much like what used to be the norm in th 80′s……

  244. 4 NYY December 9th, 2010 at 1:17 am

    Please, NO Manny EVER !!!

  245. The Other Phil December 9th, 2010 at 1:17 am

    A: Yankees don’t “let” any team do anything. If a player goes somewhere else, that’s their option. Money isn’t always the answer and I am very glad they didn’t vastly overpay for Crawford like Boston just did.

    2: So what if they get Martin? He’s a big injury risk and shows big decline.

  246. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2010 at 1:19 am

    Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 1:13 am
    Jesus Montero is freakin’ toast with Crawford and Ellsbury on the base paths.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    When have you ever seen him play?

  247. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2010 at 1:19 am

    I predict that Crawford going to the RS makes Lee even more interested in pitching for the Yankees. He’s a competitor, and along with CC, the rotation will match up very well against that lineup.

  248. Jerkface December 9th, 2010 at 1:20 am

    If you were to ask every GM in baseball would they trade AGon for V-Mart and Crawford for Beltre the answer would be a resounding 30-0 no.

    That doesn’t really change anything. The red sox last year had players who put up years comparable or better than what crawford and agon will do.

    Crawford and Agon do not ‘far surpass’ V-Mart and Beltre. Crawford is not even a complete player and yet everyone here is shaking in their boots about him.

  249. jacksquat December 9th, 2010 at 1:20 am

    I think Montero has a good arm, just needs to work on his mechanics.

    I’d bet overall Granderson/Gardner are just as or more valuable next season than Crawford/Ellsbury(Cameron?).

  250. start_wearing_pink December 9th, 2010 at 1:21 am

    Bret hasn’t seen him play. But Bret has heard all the times Montero has been referred to as a CINO.

  251. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 1:21 am

    G. Love,

    And how is Cashman gonna be able to trade for Greinke and still have enough left over to add Choo or Kemp?

    And what about Montero vs. Crawford and Ellsbury on the bases.

    They’re going to shell shock that poor kid.

  252. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 1:21 am

    CB – Ellsbury is 27 years old and has been in the league 4 years – last year he had cracked ribs. In 2007, 2008 and 2009 he hit .353, .280 and .301. He had 50 and 70 stolen bases in 2008 and 2009.

  253. Jerkface December 9th, 2010 at 1:22 am

    How are Ellsbury and Crawford getting on base with CC and Lee on the hill?

  254. 4 NYY December 9th, 2010 at 1:22 am

    Don’t forget we still have A J !!! Not something to look froward to !!! IMO

    I just don’t think he can pitch in N. Y. successfully. Hope for a trade with him.

  255. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 1:22 am

    Pat – that’s exactly what will happen. There is no way he goes to battle with this rotation/roster. On paper, without lee, this team is arguably on the outside looking in come October…..and if they reach the postseason, the rotation is too weak. He knows he has to fill a top of the rotation spot and a bottom of the rotation spot…..preferably with two guys who he can definitely say on day 1 are better than AJ Burnett. AJB has to be the “5th starter” on opening day for this rotation to compete.

  256. G. Love December 9th, 2010 at 1:22 am

    Bret,

    It’s time to stop deferring to the ego’s on this team and stack the roster with real hitters. Have a real bench for a change.

    Jorge as DH does nothing for me. He hits for low average and doesn’t walk enough. He’s another HR or bust type in a lineup already featuring Tex who is HR or bust.

    I love Gardner, but if he could net us a starting pitcher or an upgrade offensively I would have to do it.

    We have 3 pitchers in our rotation right now and one of them is AJ who was horrid last year.

    The rotation has to be upgraded and the team needs a new bat who can hit for average and mitigate some of the slumpers on this team who takes months off at a time like clockwork.

  257. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 1:23 am

    “AGon is a better ballplayer than V-Mart. Crawford is a better ballplayer than Beltre. And, they are in their prime.

    If you were to ask every GM in baseball would they trade AGon for V-Mart and Crawford for Beltre the answer would be a resounding 30-0 no.”

    ——————————

    Yellow flag! Debate penalty!

    This is not what the discussion is about.

    Handing out 7 year contracts is also not getting younger. They are investing in both prime years and decline years.

  258. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 1:23 am

    The fact is Montero is a rookie and he’ll be facing premiere base stealers in high pressure games in Ellsbury and Crawford.

    And yet we need to keep him but somehow acquire Greinke and Kemp/Choo?

  259. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 1:24 am

    Not only did Theo “convince” AGon and Crawford to sign with the Sox, he played Cashman like a cheap fiddle floating the 7 year Lee deal at the low AAV.

  260. CB December 9th, 2010 at 1:24 am

    The end game for the big player is at hand.

    It’s great news that the Sox were the fake mystery team in on Lee with the seven year offer.

    That whole seven year offer business did not feel right. If the Lee camp did have a seven year offer at the dollars they liked they wouldn’t have tried so hard to leak. They would have been finishing up negotiations instead.

    The Yankees saw that and held firm.

    Now it’s likely that there is no legitimate 7 year deal for Lee. Which means it’s most likely going to be the Yanks and Rangers.

    The Yankees pretending to be interested in Crawford brought all of this to a head.

    If the Angels offer was only 7/108 then boston made a huge overpay just to get Crawford signed now before they risked allowing the yankees to get in on the bidding for a player they weren’t interested in.

  261. The Other Phil December 9th, 2010 at 1:24 am

    Comparing AGonz/Beltre/Crawford/VMart is doable from a purely hitting standpoint, but to compare their overall game doesn’t necessarily apply since they play different positions. Crawford is not replacing Beltre at 3rd nor AGonz for VMart. I don’t think YOOK is a better defender than Beltre at 3B. AGonz is better than YOOK so that’s a wash. If Crawford plays LF, then he covers it well but you lose a big part of his game, which is range, because it’s a small field.

    They got better, sure, but not immensely so.

  262. raymagnetic December 9th, 2010 at 1:24 am

    Ellsbury has a .344 lifetime OBP. Crawford’s is even worse.

    Yet somehow they’re going to run roughshod over poor Montero.

    You really can’t make this stuff up.

  263. G. Love December 9th, 2010 at 1:25 am

    Right now if you’re a Yankee fan looking forward to the development and promotion of Montero, Banuelos, Betances and Brackman I would feel very nervous.

    In a week, none of them may still be Yankees.

  264. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 1:25 am

    “he played Cashman like a cheap fiddle floating the 7 year Lee deal at the low AAV.”

    —————–

    You have to be trolling at this point, right?

  265. UnKnown December 9th, 2010 at 1:25 am

    Just a thought but wouldn’t it been better if the Sox would’ve spent that 142 million on Lee instead of on Crawford. I would rather them have Crawford than Lee.

  266. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2010 at 1:25 am

    You can’t keep blaming catchers because pitchers don’t/can’t hold runners.

  267. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 1:25 am

    G. Love,

    I like the way you think but DANG. I’m thinking we’re f’d with this feast or famine lineup.

  268. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 1:25 am

    LGY – Theo is concerned with the next four to five years. You worry about down the – the road.

  269. Dylan December 9th, 2010 at 1:26 am

    # Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    Jesus Montero is freakin’ toast with Crawford and Ellsbury on the base paths.
    __________________________________________________________________

    The Red Sox catcher _________ is going to be in trouble with Gardner and Granderson on the on the base paths. I’m sure they would gladly take Montero!

  270. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 1:26 am

    sic – LGY – Theo is concerned with the next four to five years. You worry about down the road – down the road.

  271. The Other Phil December 9th, 2010 at 1:26 am

    # LGY December 9th, 2010 at 1:25 am

    “he played Cashman like a cheap fiddle floating the 7 year Lee deal at the low AAV.”

    —————–

    You have to be trolling at this point, right?
    =====

    All I know is, there’s a bridge somewhere that’s really lonely.

  272. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2010 at 1:26 am

    “Not only did Theo “convince” AGon and Crawford to sign with the Sox, he played Cashman like a cheap fiddle floating the 7 year Lee deal at the low AAV.”

    You’re not fooling me.

  273. CB December 9th, 2010 at 1:27 am

    “The fact is Montero is a rookie and he’ll be facing premiere base stealers in high pressure games in Ellsbury and Crawford.”

    Serious question – do you ever slow down from making unfounded suppositions for even a minute?

    All day long you’ve been crowing about how everyone could “book it” that the “courtship” between the Yankees and Crawford was officially in full bloom.

  274. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    CB,

    Spot on.

    And based on the quotes coming from the Rangers today and yesterday it really doesn’t seem like they are getting into a bidding war with the Yankees. Instead just hoping Texas is where he wants to be at less money.

    It has been a very good day on the Lee front with all this info coming out.

  275. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    LGY – No I am eviscerating your ridiculous arguments. I notice you call everyone a troll when they disagree with you.

    By the way you want to apologize to those of us who thought Heyman was accurate about the seven year Lee offer?

  276. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    I’m pretty sure if the yankees sign martin it signals the end of montero. The interest in martin alone smells like the handwriting is on the wall that jesus is leaving the bldg if we need a front line starter.

  277. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    G. Love December 9th, 2010 at 1:25 am
    Right now if you’re a Yankee fan looking forward to the development and promotion of Montero, Banuelos, Betances and Brackman I would feel very nervous.

    In a week, none of them may still be Yankees.

    *********

    Are you saying (Lee signing aside) empty the farm for Greinke + Kemp/Choo and sign Manny and make him the DH and bench Posada who’s owed 13 million?

    What about the bullpen?

    Who’s the setup guy?

    Joba again?

    What if you need him in one of those trades?

    We’re F’d dude.

  278. igotid88 December 9th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    that’s too much

  279. tyanksfan36 December 9th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    We have dealt with Crawford at the plate and on the basepaths for 9 yrs and upton who is also a base stealer. I’m not really worried. We knew they would get better. They would have been a lot more intimidating this past season if they’d stayed healthy. Let’s just hope we sign Lee because I don’t want them to part with any of the killer Bs or Montero.

  280. seeknay December 9th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    After the Yankees sign Lee and Pettitte, I think they should try to trade Burnett and put Banuelos in the rotation.. we need as many lefties as possible now to counteract the Boston lineup..

    come on guys Burnett has no shot against that Boston lineup.. new pitching coach or not.. there has to be some kind of a market for him.

  281. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2010 at 1:30 am

    “By the way you want to apologize to those of us who thought Heyman was accurate about the seven year Lee offer?”

    So because Rosenthal said it, it’s proof that there was a seven year offer to Lee?

    This is comical.

  282. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 1:30 am

    “LGY – No I am eviscerating your ridiculous arguments. I notice you call everyone a troll when they disagree with you.”

    ——————–

    The Yankees said about 14 times yesterday they won’t offer 7 years.

    Yet Theo played Cash like a fiddle?

    It was a post designed to incite people because it was completely and utterly baseless.

  283. CB December 9th, 2010 at 1:30 am

    G.Love,

    Your a terrific poster and I enjoy what you have to say and respect your opinion.

    You’re over reacting right now. It’s not nearly as bad as your making it out to be.

    The Sox were always going to get better. They had so much money to spend.

    Much of which was due to the fact that they still had all the money left over from not signing tex.

    Let the winter play out as planned. The Sox just got two players the yankees had no interest in.

  284. G. Love December 9th, 2010 at 1:30 am

    Bret,

    Unless all of the players come into the season with a different mentality, our feast or famine lineup will be the same problem it was last year. If a few guys stop hitting for average it all falls apart.

    Cashman needs to find players who are more consistent performers.

    What happens if Tex is a no show for April and May again? What happens if Jeter is the same player from last year? You can’t go through that again with 2 of your top 3 hitters.

    The Red Sox are going to be better than last year. I realize matching stats with Vmart and Beltre look similar, but you’re not accounting for the fact that Gonzalez played in SD for his half his games and will be a more potent hitter in Fenway.

    Cashman has to answer these moves with a 2 pieces of the rotation and a bat.

    The prospects should all have their bags packed.

  285. 4 NYY December 9th, 2010 at 1:31 am

    Looking forward to Banuelos. Looks like a young Santana !

  286. Dylan December 9th, 2010 at 1:32 am

    Weren’t the Red Sox supposed to be unbeatable when they signed Lackey last year?

  287. seeknay December 9th, 2010 at 1:33 am

    need lefties also bc they hold runners better than righties.

  288. CB December 9th, 2010 at 1:33 am

    “We have dealt with Crawford at the plate and on the basepaths for 9 yrs and upton who is also a base stealer. I’m not really worried. We knew they would get better. They would have been a lot more intimidating this past season if they’d stayed healthy.”

    Completely agree. People are making it out as if the Yankees haven’t been playing against Crawford in an unbalanced schedule for years. They have.

    This is not the Sox signing Manny Ramirez in his prime.

  289. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    “Weren’t the Red Sox supposed to be unbeatable when they signed Lackey last year?”

    Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

  290. dc in el cerrito December 9th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    Not only did Theo “convince” AGon and Crawford to sign with the Sox, he played Cashman like a cheap fiddle floating the 7 year Lee deal at the low AAV.

    —————————————————————————-

    How so?

  291. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    New post >>>>>>>>>

  292. 4 NYY December 9th, 2010 at 1:35 am

    We do need a bat and 3-4 pitchers, both starter and relievers.

    Upton, Fielder ?

  293. CB December 9th, 2010 at 1:36 am

    “And based on the quotes coming from the Rangers today and yesterday it really doesn’t seem like they are getting into a bidding war with the Yankees. Instead just hoping Texas is where he wants to be at less money.

    It has been a very good day on the Lee front with all this info coming out.”

    Agreed. There’s no guarantees but the whole secret “7 year offer” appears to be a complete ruse.

    That’s great news for the Yankees. The Yanks felt like it was going to come down to them and texas and it looks like that’s what’s happening.

  294. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 1:36 am

    If true, I’m referring to Theo making a seven year bid with a low AAV to force the Yankees to increase their bid. And the scooped up Crawford and AGon while Cashman sat and waited for others to decide for him what’s going to happen.

    Oh, and he repelled to.

  295. UnKnown December 9th, 2010 at 1:37 am

    So the way I see this situation now is that Yankees have become much more desperate now for Lee. However, another team say the Rangers still has to be able to push the envelope on NY for signing him to such a large amount. I don’t think the Rangers will push this envelope because the Yankees might call their bluff and then the Rangers would have to pony up the cash.

    Hopefully Cashman stays cool here and doesn’t bid against himself out of desperation.

  296. The Other Phil December 9th, 2010 at 1:38 am

    I seem to remember some thinking Cash was an idiot and should be fired for “letting” the Red Sox get Gagne…

  297. 4 NYY December 9th, 2010 at 1:38 am

    Lee could and should be very good for the next 3-5 years. Who knows after that.

    Hope we get him !

  298. The Other Phil December 9th, 2010 at 1:40 am

    WCYF: You have no idea what the offer was going to be before it was made. A cheap offer by Boston, if true, doesn’t mean Cashman suddenly thought “ZOMG! A 7 year offer!!1! We need to throw 500 million at Lee!!”

    Stop making things up. You sound foolish.

  299. Vineyard Yankee December 9th, 2010 at 2:08 am

    IMO, playing the waiting game on Pettitte is a waste of time. Somewhere in the budget is money in case Pettitte deciides to come back, maybe $ 10 mil. The hell with him and his process to decide, he has had two months plus to figure it out. Cashman can use that money somewhere else to improve the club.

    Cashman should set his own deadline on Lee and if the Lee camp doesn’t wake up then pull the offer and make some deals to improve the pen and the bench. Sooner or later the log jam of AAA pitchers will need to be given a shot. Possibly in ST if the Lee deal falls rthrough.

    Cashman needs to tighten his grip on the steering wheel and be more agressive with his plan.

  300. Lost December 9th, 2010 at 2:27 am

    Redsox pounced after Cash met with Crawford. They weren’t about to lose out on him and yet another player to the Yankees. Unfortunately, nobody so it coming. It’s a shame that we’ve been holding in limbo waiting for Lee, but sometimes that is how the song is sung.

    Redsox might have given up a few talented prospects for Agon, but they were a few prospects. Personally I feel the deal favors the sox.. they got an extremely talented player for 4 prospects. I wouldn’t be surprised if Agon puts up 40+ HR’s this year.. and when he plays in the bronx he is going to love that short porch in left.

    Some thoughts:

    I did not like our offense in 2010, sure we scored a lot of runs but we were down aprox. 50HR’s and the majority of our bats had significant drop-offs in BA. There’s just way too many question marks for 2011. You can call 2010 a fluke, but you can’t overlook the facts.

    Let’s break that down for a second (specifically offense):

    Tex:

    Last year became very painful “at times” to watch him. Then he suddenly smashes the ball for a few weeks and goes back into a funk. His streakiness became frustrating. Last year he finished with .256/33/108 not quite as bad as Carlos Pena (*grins), but there were times when he looked absolutely lost. I’m not liking his post season numbers at all either which signals to me that the pressure is impacting his bat. His BA was down 36 pts and worst of his career.

    Jorge:

    Had some big hits, but finished with .248/18/57. Sure he missed a bunch of games but he is our DH now and he’s not proven to excel as a DH. Arguably his worst season of his career and like Tex major drop-off BA.

    Jeter:

    Not much to say, but his worse season of his career. BA extreme drop off as well.

    Arod:

    Amazing he pulled off 30 HRs but finished with a fantastic 125RBI. I wouldn’t call his numbers bad at all, but also like the above he finished with the lowest BA of his career .270.

    Grandy:

    .248/24/67 – Again had some really big hits, but penultimate lowest BA of his career by a couple points higher than his worst.

    Gardner:

    Well, he’s not expected to be a bat, but .277/5/47 not all that bad considering.

    Swisher:

    Breakout year for Swish, there were many times where he carried the team and him finishing with .288/29/89 really was much better than most expected out of him

    Cano:

    Another fantastic season by Robbie. Like Swish he carried this team many games.

    —–

    So with all the above, Arod, Jeter, Grandy, Posada, Tex all had the lowest BA of their careers. Grandy I think was 2 pts higher BA than his worst season.

    So I am only focusing on BA’s so don’t hand me. It concerns me just how much of a drop-off we had last year compared to 2009. Sure it may have been a fluke, but it leaves a lot of questions about offense and the need to take some action to do something about it.

    I do not like that Boston got Crawford one bit as an addition to Agon. Their lineup has completely changed with those 2 bats. Wow! I should’ve saw it coming with Crawford that the sox were going to go-hard, I thought they would be in on him, but now what they just did.

    Also, if our bats didn’t drop off so much in 2010, I wouldn’t really care to upgrade LF, replacing Gardner.. but even being optimistic still has me concerned.

    If we miss out on Lee, I am not looking forward to trailing Boston next season.

    Let’s sure hope we get Lee and Cash does pull that offensive rabbit out of his hat. We sure need it. This division changed this week and Boston just made their team much better.

    Cashman:

    to be kind he is really not happy right now. That’s 2 LF bats he wanted and didn’t get.

  301. Doreen December 9th, 2010 at 6:32 am

    I’m not really sure why no one saw Crawford possibly going to the Red Sox. I remember the talk being the Sox would trade for Gonzalez and be on in Werth and Crawford. Werth went first and fast. I’m not shocked that they got Crawford; I’m shocked it happened at 11 o’clock at night, and I’m kinda surprised the Angels didn’t try to top it.

    Definitely the Sox made some good moves here. But neither one was totally unexpected and I’m sure Cashman isn’t surprised at all.

    I was Crawford-neutral for the Yankees. Once Werth got his stupid contract, I really didn’t think they would spend on Crawford, nor did I think they should.

    They Yankees HAVE dealt with Crawford and Upton on the basebaths for years and, yes, it’s not fun, but I see no difference in dealing with Crawford/Ellsbury. It won’t be fun, but also, remember, the Sox ran on the Yankees last year anyway. It’s not a new situation. The Red Sox offense really did fine last year – it was their pitching/bullpen that didn’t do so well.

    Lee is the piece. He is the one player the Yankees went into the off-season with strong plans for acquiring. If they miss on him, that will be the bad news. Not the players who went to Boston.

    However, I don’t think Cashman has been sitting in his office staring at the phone waiting for Lee’s agent to call. He’s been doing his homework. I believe that it’s most likely that the seeds of deals have been planted. It will take longer, and the team will end up with a different, unfamiliar look, but something will get done and it won’t be a desperation move (i.e., overpaying just because they lost Lee).

    Also love how it’s okay/brilliant for the Sox (or any other team, really) to spend ridiculous money, but it’s ruining baseball when the Yankees do it.

    As for the cat-and-mouse behind the scenes, the Yankees/Red Sox have been doing this for years. They both do it well. But ultimately, the Sox didn’t take a player the Yankees were seriously interested in when they got Crawford.

  302. randy l. December 9th, 2010 at 10:51 am

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