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Worth waiting for

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 08, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brian Cashman was in full “no comment” mode. He would admit to meeting this afternoon with Cliff Lee’s agent, Darek Braunecker, but he wouldn’t admit to making an offer for the left-handed free agent.

“I may have made an official offer,” he said. “I’m just deciding not to admit whether I have or haven’t. For some reason.”

Exactly 20 seconds went by.

“Yeah, we’ve made an offer,” Cashman said. “You guys have worn me out.”

Braunecker left Orlando today and went to Arkansas, where he’s scheduled to meet with Lee and Lee’s wife to discuss the situation as it stands. Cashman said Braunecker wanted to get all the offers on the table before discussing the situation with his client, and Cashman said he couldn’t argue with that strategy. Braunecker was just as thorough two years ago when negotiating the A.J. Burnett deal. The only difference then, Cashman said, was that Burnett became a bidding war between the Yankees and Braves. Cashman called Braunecker “direct and honest.”

Now the Yankees have to wait. Cashman said his offer was exactly what the Yankees always planned to offer. It was not affected by recent events, and it was not some sort of counter offer to a proposal from the Lee camp.

“If it takes time, so be it,” Cashman said. “He’s someone that’s worth waiting for.”

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155 Responses to “Worth waiting for”

  1. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    In these dealings with Lee, is no difference than the dealings with Sabathia was. Everybody in baseball knew the Yankees were going full out for him. It was hardly a secret. The only secret, like with Teixeira, was the final meeting to close the deal.

  2. Howe Farr December 8th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    And where did the yankees imply that we cant win without Cliff Lee?

    Have you not followed how free agency works? Have you not debated the merits on why Marvin Miller needs to be in the HOF, because thanks to him, players have so much more leverage.

    Free Agency is a dance, back in the early 90’s the yankees wanted Greg Maddux, they were public about it and they even gave him a better offer than the braves did, he picked the braves, and publicly said he didnt want to pitch for the yankees. what did the yankees do? They signed Jimmy Key and Wade Boggs, Greg Maddux ended up winning one world series with the braves, he ended up losing 2 versus the yankees, and Wade Boggs ended up on the back of a horse in yankee stadium.

    Its a long process that you need to wait for the fog of war to clear up and then assess the situations, these draconian statements on what the yankees should do are silly.

    In the end, its gonna work out one way or another. Let the dancers dance and enjoy it.

  3. Tom in N.J. December 8th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    More desperation from Cashman.

    :(

  4. Doreen December 8th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    There is so much ego involved with players and free agency; I believe that it is GOOD thing that the Yankees are clear about how much they would like Cliff Lee to be a part of their team.

    If Lee chooses otherwise, that’s his prerogative. The Yankees will have done their best to land him, and cannot control Lee’s ultimate decision.

    The Yankees are not looking foolish here at all. Nor are they looking desperate. Their desire for Cliff Lee, their need for him in their rotation, is quite transparent. To say otherwise would be the foolish thing.

  5. blake December 8th, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    CB,

    I agree….as I said earlier, I’m still not convinced there is a team out there that will top 6/140….maybe there is someone who will go 7 years but not at that AAV…we’ll find out soon, but I think you have to do what it takes to sign Lee. You don’t bid against yourself to do it but you top whatever real offers are out there.

  6. West Coast Yankee Fan December 8th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    It is playing out exactly as I said it wood a week ago. Braunecker would receive all the offers for Lee and then go meet with Cliff and his wife in person to lay everything out for them. They will think about it and make a decision.

    Within that scenario is the possibility that Braunecker could go back to one of the teams after meeting with Lee to see if there was any wiggle room here or there.

    The end game is close.

  7. West Coast Yankee Fan December 8th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    sp – would

  8. Yogi Mantle December 8th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    # Tom in N.J. December 8th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    More desperation from Cashman.

    :(
    ________________

    I don’t see it that way at all.

    The comments regarding this are getting silly. The Yankees aren’t going to look foolish. They aren’t desperate. They are just doing business as they always do.

  9. CB December 8th, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    “The Yankees are not looking foolish here at all. Nor are they looking desperate. Their desire for Cliff Lee, their need for him in their rotation, is quite transparent. To say otherwise would be the foolish thing.”

    Doreen-

    I completely agree with you. If the the Yankees tried to “spin” this and act off-handed towards Lee it would just look like them coming off hopelessly Nieve.

    They have already agreed to trade their best prospect – the kid who is the best hitter in the minors for this player – how much more obvious can it be that they need him and want him.

    To say anything would just make the organization look disingenuous.

    The Yankees generally pick their words carefully up and down an organization when they are going after a player.

    But there’s so much instant overreactiion these days. It’s not particularly useful when one come across a set of actions one doesn’t agree with to attribute those actions to that other party essentially being stupid or nieve. But that’s what people do all of the time these days.

    I think you’ve summed it up where the yankees are right now.

  10. blake December 8th, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Kevin Millar and Mitch Williams think the Red Sox are now the best team in the AL……Great news for the Yankees !

  11. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Any bets that Cliff Lee is camped out in a suite next to Hal Steinbrenner, waiting to spring the news tomorrow?

  12. Chad Jennings December 8th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Just to chime in really quickly…

    I don’t see how it hurts the Yankees to say publicly how much they love Cliff Lee. The Yankees aren’t showing their hand. It’s out there for everyone to see. Lee is going to be coveted and expensive whether the Yankees say anything or not.

    Lee went to the World Series with the Rangers. That Texas fan base has cheered for him, and the team is close to his home. There must be warm feelings between Lee and the Rangers, and that might be the Rangers greatest advantage — maybe their only advantage — in these negotiations.

    Saying over and over again that they want Lee, need Lee and are doing everything they can to get Lee might actually make him feel that same level of appreciation and connection in New York. Stroking his ego doesn’t hurt anything. Playing coy doesn’t help the Yankees in this situation.

  13. vinny-b December 8th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    “More desperation from Cashman.

    :(
    ________________

    I don’t see it that way at all”
    ————————–

    I believe that was a joke.

  14. Fran the original December 8th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    blake,

    That is shocking news :)

  15. blake December 8th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    Chad,

    well put. Agree…….

  16. Tom in N.J. December 8th, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    Yogi, I was joking.

    The Yankees are being very deliberately in this process. As they should. This isn’t Cashman’s first rodeo. He knows what he’s doing.

  17. blake December 8th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    The Yankees lineup is still better and deeper than the Red Sox is at the moment.

  18. West Coast Yankee Fan December 8th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    In trying to convince a star athlete to sign with you, and that would apply to actors, musicians, etc., it is a huge plus to communicate how much you want them. As long as it’s communicated in a calm, professional manner.

  19. Tom in N.J. December 8th, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    Vinny-B, Thank you.

  20. CB December 8th, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    blake-

    That was so predictable. Gonzalez was a huge step for them but his value is more important strategically for them than it is short term.

    He gives them a foundation piece to structure the team around. The didn’t have any young players with that kind of bat coming up in the system.

    But for next season he can replace Beltre’s production but not Martinez’s (and this assumes Papi isn’t going to deteriorate).

    And they still are a mess in the bull pen with little in terms of usable pitchers in the minors.

    But it’s just the same old same old.

    I’m sure we’ll hear all winter about how their pitching staff has “5 aces” any team would want to have.

  21. Giuseppe Franco December 8th, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    Chad is dead on. Well done.

  22. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 8th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    If Lee chooses Texas over NYY, that will be his loss. How much cooler is it to say that you’re a Yankee than a Ranger?

  23. CB December 8th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    As long as the Yankees put in an official offer before Braunecker left early these winter meetings have been a success for the team.

    It’s no coincidence that Braunecker left only after the Yankees made their offer.

  24. Doreen December 8th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    I heard today that the Red Sox and Mets might be working out a trade involving Dice-K and Beltran?

  25. blake December 8th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    CB,

    Gonzalez is a great player but as of right now they have lost more offense on paper than they have gained IMO…and probably lessened their infield defense as well (not much but a little). Currently, Ortiz is probably the key to their lineup…..if he doesn’t hit then the lineup is really 4 hitters long and has a significant drop after that….

  26. Giuseppe Franco December 8th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    I don’t recall the last time I watched MLBN and thought to myself, “Hey, Mitch Williams made a good point.”

    His opinions are like his fastballs used to be – all over the damn place and rarely in the zone (except one pitch to Joe Carter).

  27. Ruby Tuesday December 8th, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    According to P*t*r *br*h*m and all R*d S*x fans in this world and the next ,

    only two beings can perform better at F*nw*y than *dr**n G*nz*l*z .

    Guess which two .

  28. blake December 8th, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    Plus the wild card between the lineups is Montero……he’s a rookie but he certainly has the ability to be a difference maker, doesn’t mean he will….but he could.

  29. Carl December 8th, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    I have a feeling we are going to hear about Lee accepting the Yankees offer tonight.

  30. Lost December 8th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Cashman:

    He’s a lot lighter on his feet without George as his boss. George was a powerful personality and had a huge heart, but when he told you to be quiet, you zipped it.

    Cash now is having fun with his job and mostly so with the media. Don’t get me wrong, he’s all business but you have to be flexible in his position. Especially with NY media.

  31. Fran the original December 8th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Doreen,

    I heard that the Mets and Red Sox were talking about the Red Sox sending a prospect to NY and picking up half of Beltran’s salary.

  32. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Laura – I Bleed Blue December 8th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
    If Lee chooses Texas over NYY, that will be his loss. How much cooler is it to say that you’re a Yankee than a Ranger?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Lee might be The Lome Ranger if they can’t afford to pay their players over the next 2 years.

  33. Yogi Mantle December 8th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    # Tom in N.J. December 8th, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    Yogi, I was joking.

    The Yankees are being very deliberately in this process. As they should. This isn’t Cashman’s first rodeo. He knows what he’s doing.
    ————-

    Tom, didn’t mean to single you out. Your post was just part of the list of comments going back a way that are just getting a bit outlandish.

    Sadly, there are far too many of those comments that aren’t jokes, they are made in full seriousness.

  34. 108 stitches December 8th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    It looks like nothing will happen with Lee by the time the winter meeting conclude on Thursday. The rest is waiting on a decision by the pitcher himself maybe by the end of the week.
    All Cashman can do now is get the bullpen lefthander so he can say something was accomplished for the time spent in Orlando.

  35. pat December 8th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    “If Texas signs Lee for $25 million per year, that will be approximately 25% of their payroll based on last season. ”

    Their opening day payroll last year was $64 million so it might be in excess of 25% of their payroll.

  36. Lost December 8th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    CB:

    “As long as the Yankees put in an official offer before Braunecker left early these winter meetings have been a success for the team.

    It’s no coincidence that Braunecker left only after the Yankees made their offer.”

    I like our changes greatly at this point. :-) But nothing is a given yet.

  37. vinny-b December 8th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    “I don’t recall the last time I watched MLBN and thought to myself, “Hey, Mitch Williams made a good point.”
    His opinions are like his fastballs used to be – all over the damn place and rarely in the zone (except one pitch to Joe Carter)”
    ————————–

    lol, GF

  38. blake December 8th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    Lost,

    Rabbit = J.U. ? ;)

  39. Lost December 8th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    edit “chances”.

  40. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Braunecker got what he wanted – the Yanks’ offer, and a few others to compare it against. He will now present them to his client, and they will figure out where the best deal is lies, and whether they can goose it a bit more. I really don’t think this will go on much longer. It’s not like they’re going to get more or significantly better offers all of a sudden.

    The ball is now in Lee’s hands. He now has to make a decision about where he wants to play, something he has never had to do before, and likely will never do again. I know I would take a bit of time to make this kind of decision. But, I don’t think he’ll draw it out much longer. Why would he?

  41. vinny-b December 8th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Lost:

    how does Carl Crawford look?

    outside chance on Grienke (if Pettitte doesn’t return) ?

  42. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Lee might be The Lome Ranger

    or even “The Lone Ranger***

  43. 56Bomber December 8th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    I cannot say I disagree with Millar and Williams at this point in time..12/8/2010 at 7:15 et.
    Lee is not yet in the fold and Andy might decide to retire. If those guys are in pinstripes in a few days then Mitch and Kevin will need to rethink.

  44. CB December 8th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    The talk of the Yankees 2011 season right now is Lee and pitching.

    Let’s hope at this time next year the talk will have been about Montero.

    Look at all the Yankees had to do to acquire Alex or Tex. Or what the Sox had to do in terms of time, lost opportunity, talent and money to get Gonzalez.

    And the Yanks may be able to add a piece who could be that kind of cornerstone bat a few years down the line just by turning internally to their minor league system.

    Very exciting stuff. Let’s hope he has a great camp.

  45. Doreen December 8th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    Fran -

    That’s interesting. I heard Dice-K and the Mets sending money with Beltran. I think. :? It got confusing because then they started talking about how Dice-K has 2 years left on his contract and Beltran only one and how that would affect the deal.

    XM can be annoying because oftentimes it turns into being about the personalities (ie, Kennedy, Dibble, etc.) and how they would handle things.

  46. Yogi Mantle December 8th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    GF, ESPN started with having the talking personalities working hard at being more over the top than the next one. Its not that I mind people talking sports and having some fun, but it should still be done in a professional manner.

    MLBNetwork has followed in the ESPN example. It gets watched because people want the information but with a few exceptions, its even more un-professional than ESPN. That isn’t easy to do.

  47. blake December 8th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    If the season started today then the Red Sox probably would have a better team just because the Yankees would have probably Nova and Mitre in the rotation. That’s not happening. If the Yankees sign Lee and Pettite returns then they are better than Boston in every phase of the game.

  48. YankeesGirly December 8th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    Great he has all the offer’s now why he left to show and tell them to cliff lee and help him make a decision! Hopefully by weekend he chooses.

  49. Lost December 8th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    Blake:

    -sigh- don’t think so. I don’t believe the players name has even come up anywhere yet. I’m not about to spill it. But if it happens, I think people would be pretty damn happy.

  50. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    If Montero is in NY next year and gets 450 at bats, I’d be thrilled to death with a .265-.270 batting average, 25 doubles, 20 homers, 70-75 RBI and 40 walks along with middle of the pack defense.

  51. CB December 8th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    Lost-

    I also feel better about our chances now than headed into the meetings. I always though the yankees had the best probability of signing him but I figured this would drag on for a while.

    Just my sense trying to read tea leaves – Braunecker was so desperately trying to leak about these 7 year deals while being so standoffish about spending time negotiating – it just makes me think he’s still searching for that one legit 7 year offer from a team his client would play for and is still searching for it.

    He may have a 7 year deal but if he does it’s not at the AAV Lee is looking for or will get from the Yanks. I don’t think he has that blow me away offer that would force the Yankees hand.

    So I agree – still far from a certainty but I think things are on track. The slow track, but no derailments yet.

  52. blake December 8th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Lost:

    double sigh…….MK, CR, SSC?

  53. vinny-b December 8th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    # Tom in N.J. December 8th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
    “Vinny-B, Thank you”
    —————————

    np.

  54. Yogi Mantle December 8th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    # GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Lee might be The Lome Ranger

    or even “The Lone Ranger***
    ____________
    GreenBeret7, I love the typos. Sometimes they even make it funnier.

  55. Lost December 8th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    vinny-b:

    If it were up to me, I am on Lee & Crawford. If it were up to some in the Yanks Org. I think they feel the same way.

    Greinke, I have absolutely no info on, well maybe just a quick passing thought.

  56. Fran the original December 8th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Pat,
    Thanks for the correction. I thought I heard the Texas payroll was at about $100 million.

    Doreen,
    The Mets would send money the way I heard it too (half of Beltran’s salary). The difference between what we heard was who Boston would send. I think the Mets want to cut payroll, so IMO I think they would rather a prospect.

  57. GMAN December 8th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    Really… Mitch Williams and Kevin Millar?

    Not too many owners are seeking them out to interview for a GM position!

    Also Gonzalez can’t swing a bat till March…
    The shoulder is still an issue and it’s why the Sawx have yet to ink him to that long term deal…under the pretense of saving a few luxury tax buck… which maybe is not really an issue for 2011.

  58. blake December 8th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    Zack Z says that he’s never seen a group of players underperform as badly as the Mariners did this year…..lol, well maybe if he had put a hitter or two in their lineup they wouldn’t have “underperformed”.

  59. Doreen December 8th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    Thanks, Fran.

    I was kind of hoping to get rid of Dice-K. :)

  60. 108 stitches December 8th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    pat December 8th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
    “If Texas signs Lee for $25 million per year, that will be approximately 25% of their payroll based on last season. ”

    Their opening day payroll last year was $64 million so it might be in excess of 25% of their payroll.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Also take into consideration what Hamilton and Cruz will cost in arbitration.

  61. GMAN December 8th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Mets ownership still reeling from the Madoff debacle.
    The franchise could use some money.

  62. LGY December 8th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Question of the night.

    Halladay doesn’t sign his extension in Philly.

    Do you target him or Lee?

  63. vinny-b December 8th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Lost:

    thanks, brother. Appreciate it

  64. blake December 8th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Halladay.

  65. Lost December 8th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    CB:

    Negotiations. They are what they are. Having said that, more teams have money, and it’s good for baseball. I do believe their is a 7 year deal out there from a non-contender, so it’s moot.

    We have some advantages over many clubs. I’m just slightly anxious about Texas and Nolan Ryan being super agressive. I see Lee making an announcement sooner than later now.

  66. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Yogi Mantle December 8th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
    # GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Lee might be The Lome Ranger

    or even “The Lone Ranger***
    ____________
    GreenBeret7, I love the typos. Sometimes they even make it funnier.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Keep reading then, Yogi. If your health allows it, you may get a lot of chuckles.

  67. UnKnown December 8th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    Why would Pete Abe Red Sox Homer say that the team that signs Lee is going to hate it after 2013 and beyond. Pete Abe needs to go get his newly acquired Adrian Gonzalez jersey signed and leave the big winter signing up to the big boys in New York

  68. GMAN December 8th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    The Yanks would take both Lee and Halliday and then let Francona sort it out!

  69. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    GMAN – no kidding. This is why they’re not spending on FAs, and cutting back (as reported) on their minor league operations, coaching, and the like. Despite what the Wilpon’s say, I really think they are hurting financially. Mets’ fans (all three of them) are suffering.

  70. CB December 8th, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Halladay should be kicking his agent.

    Roy could have gotten 7/175 this winter.

    He’s a far more durable pitcher than Lee. And even if Roy loses a few MPH he’ll be able to adjust well because he has so much movement.

  71. Giuseppe Franco December 8th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    # Yogi Mantle December 8th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    GF, ESPN started with having the talking personalities working hard at being more over the top than the next one. Its not that I mind people talking sports and having some fun, but it should still be done in a professional manner.

    MLBNetwork has followed in the ESPN example. It gets watched because people want the information but with a few exceptions, its even more un-professional than ESPN. That isn’t easy to do.

    ————–

    I used to really like Baseball Tonight on ESPN several years back. They had someone who knew what he was talking about on every night. I’m talking a good 5 years ago or so.

    Although I’m certainly in the minority, I never had any issues with Olney, Gammons, or Kurkjian.

    I’m a fan of Leiter, Verducci, and love Costas (although he doesn’t do the nightly gossip stuff) but the rest of those guys I could do without.

  72. Lost December 8th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    I’ve gotta take off but I’ll leave off with this:

    We all know that our priority is Lee, but Cash and crew are very eager for offensive improvements and the Agon deal with Boston laying low on Crawford really gives us an extra push. Even without watching what the Sox are doing Pre-Agon, Cash has been pushing offense for 2 years now.. he did push for Holliday but was shot down.

  73. blake December 8th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Halladay gave the Phillies a wholesale discount……the Phillies should have kept them both for 2010 but they made the right call on which one to keep if they only had room for one. Doc is a better pitcher and was willing to take much less money.

  74. GMAN December 8th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Pete Abe is doing anything and everything possible to attract people to his blog.

    Strifing the Yanks is his specialty anymore because it supports his inside Bro-mance with John Henry!

  75. CB December 8th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Lost-

    The game is just flush with cash so a team could put a 7 year offer out there.

    Would it be 7/165-175 though? I think it’s going to take those kind of dollars for a non-contender to make a real impact. But that’s just speculation on my part.

    Nolan can be aggressive. But the fact was only able to buy that team because it was in bankruptcy and we know partly why that’s so. We’ll see.

    I do agree this is going to be decided in the short term now.

  76. vinny-b December 8th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    “.. he did push for Holliday but was shot down”
    —————————-

    interesting. Never knew this. Thanks, ‘Lost’

  77. LGY December 8th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    I couldn’t believe it when the Phillies announced they signed Halladay for only 3/60 guaranteed.

    He doesn’t even have a friggin buy out on the 2014 option.

    His agent must be kicking himself as well. Major loss on what should have been a monster commission.

  78. Fran the original December 8th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Mets’ fans (all three of them) are suffering.
    **********************
    The Mets are going to hurt even more playing in front of empty seats at CitiField. I heard they are way behind in ticket sales.

  79. pat December 8th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    What did the Rays get back from the Padres for Bartlett?

  80. blake December 8th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    “I couldn’t believe it when the Phillies announced they signed Halladay for only 3/60 guaranteed. ”

    me neither…unbelievable.

  81. GMAN December 8th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    MLB baseball would benefit from a strong Met franchise but they really are hurting.
    Probably why Lupica is so sad…

  82. blake December 8th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Carlos Pena might hit a lot of HR’s at Wrigley….I kinda hope he does, seems like a nice guy.

  83. CB December 8th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    The Yankees are going to look to add a bat. If they want to continue to win while trying to solidify the club’s future they need to.

    I just don’t think it’s going to be Crawford. They may not be successful in the attempt but I do think they are going to try very hard to make a trade. I’ve felt that way since the middle of last season.

  84. LGY December 8th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Signing that deal also took away a lot of excitement from the Winter Meetings this year.

    If both Halladay and Lee were on the market the place would be buzzing and rumors would be flying. It would have been really interesting to follow.

    Halladay and his agent really made Braunecker’s job easy.

  85. vinny-b December 8th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    “Although I’m certainly in the minority, I never had any issues with Olney, Gammons, or Kurkjian
    ———————————

    Timmy Kurkjian is my fave. Always been fine with Buster Olney as well (note: he was first person to report Girardi received the manager job, when everyone was claiming Mattingly). Personally don’t have a problem because i take him as pure entertainment value

  86. GMAN December 8th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Halladay is a flat out stud pitcher and he makes it look so much easier against NL competition.

    Seriously he is a beast on the hill!

  87. CB December 8th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    “What did the Rays get back from the Padres for Bartlett?”

    Casey Kelly and Anthony Rizzo.

    I kid, I kid.

    A couple of minor leaguers.

  88. vinny-b December 8th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    typo:

    Personally don’t have a problem with *Gammons* because i take him as pure entertainment value

  89. blake December 8th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Think if Lee, Halladay, and Mauer all would have reached the market.

  90. Doreen December 8th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Halladay must not have had the stomach for free agency.

  91. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Fran – this will be a “bridge year” for the Mets. Like in bridge to nowhere. Sandy Alderson is a very good baseball man, but I think he’s got his work cut out for him.

    Rays got two minor league relievers, per MLBN. Guess the Rays are trying to restock that ‘pen. I think they will really miss Pena, Crawford, Soriano, and Benoit.

  92. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    pat December 8th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
    What did the Rays get back from the Padres for Bartlett?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    2 rookie relief pitchers, pat.

  93. SJ44 December 8th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Clemens trial moved to July.

    Perhaps some breathing room for Andy and one less thing to consider when deciding whether or not to come back.

  94. GMAN December 8th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Gammons is great… except when he shills for the Red Sox.

  95. pat December 8th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Clemens trial pushed back from April until July. Might that play into Andy’s decision?

  96. LGY December 8th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Last rant on Halladay and I’m done :)

    It is not even like Roy was strapped for cash and wanted the security.

    He had already made a little more than $90 million in his career.

    Actually thinking about it now he could have put himself in the position to be the 2nd highest earner in MLB history behind Alex, no?

    Am I forgetting someone?

  97. blake December 8th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    I think Andy will be back….might be January before he decides…..but I think he’ll come back for one more year, especially if they land Lee.

  98. vinny-b December 8th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    “Gammons is great… except when he shills for the Red Sox”
    ———————————

    that would be ‘never’ then? :)

  99. kd December 8th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    halliday must be going nuts right now, cb is totally right. after a perfect game and a no hitter in the playoffs, 7/175 would be been easy to see.

    the yankees might not need to add a bat, that jesus kid might just be it.

    and if arod can hit 125 rbis in 135 games, what could he do if he plays his usual 150?

  100. blake December 8th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    “halliday must be going nuts right now, cb is totally right. after a perfect game and a no hitter in the playoffs, 7/175 would be been easy to see. ”

    There really is no telling what he would get. There is talk of Lee getting 150+ million dollars and Halladay would beat that for sure.

  101. GMAN December 8th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    The delay in the Clemens trial is all about shaking him down for more legal fees.

    His defense attorneys need to review something on the order of 50,000 documents as provided by the prosecutors.

    They are going to bleed him till he’s out of dough…
    Then he’ll be force to cop a plea bargain…

  102. Fran the original December 8th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Joe,

    Alderson definitely has his work cut out. But for a team that has no money to spend on players, he certainly spent a lot of money on assistants.

  103. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    CB – I think they are almost forced to make a deal. They have more young pitching talent than they can use coming up (barring injury, of course), and a few position players – David Adams (blocked by Cano) and Laird and Romine – who have value. They can’t keep them all buried at AA and AAA. Whether it’s Justin Upton, Matt Kemp, or someone else I can’t even imagine. But, like you, I think Cash has been looking to use his assets.

  104. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    pat, actually, neither Adam Russell nor Caesar Ramos are rookies. Just don’t appear to be anything special. boyj are about 27 years old

  105. randy l. December 8th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    “and if arod can hit 125 rbis in 135 games, what could he do if he plays his usual 150?”

    he might get 89 because he might be playing injured.

    sometimes less is more.

  106. GMAN December 8th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    after suffering in a Blue Jay Way for so long… I think Doc loves that Philly team and a real chance to win a WS title for the next 3 years…
    Although the Phils may very well miss Werth’s bat in that lineup!

  107. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Fran – I don’t know, administrators sometimes come cheap, lol.

  108. MaineYankee December 8th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    randy

    Did you see this?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/201.....trap_trees

  109. GMAN December 8th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Perhaps Andy Pettitte is looking at coming back in June or July…
    Those short season comebacks really helped out Roger and Pedro as their careers were in the homestretch!

  110. LGY December 8th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    If Halladay hit the open market it would have been close between him and Jeter to be 2nd highest paid all time.

    Jetes is guaranteed to make $255 now.

    At worst Halladay would have been the 3rd highest earner.

  111. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    May thru July to early Ausust, the winds blow out. In April and August and September it blows a gale in off of the lake in Chicago…dead in from center. Pena will love that, and the ball really flies to left. right field is tougher.

  112. kd December 8th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    randy i,

    you might be right. if he can average 30/125 for the next few years we’re in great shape

  113. GMAN December 8th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    An Andy comeback in June or July really does make sense.

    He really can’t hold up for an entire season anymore

    and he’s generally been an awesome 2nd half of the season pitcher.

  114. randy l. December 8th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    maine yankee-

    that’s pretty crazy.

    leave it to jonesport.

  115. GMAN December 8th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    The Rays are really turning their roster over…

    Bartlett to be traded…
    Navarro signs with Dodgers…
    Pena with the Cubbies…
    and Crawford to….?

  116. MaineYankee December 8th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    randy

    Rockland has had one for some time. That’s where my wife is from.

    We had to make it a point for my grandson to see it last year.

    Pretty clever idea.

  117. LGY December 8th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Feisand

    Brian Cashman on Andy Pettitte: “If I had to bet at some point, I think he’ll play.” about 1 hour ago via web

  118. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    And just earlier today, Cash said he still thought Andy was leaning towards retirement, lol

  119. LGY December 8th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Betsy will like the quote at the end ;)

    GM Brian Cashman said the Yankees’ deal is for six years, worth more than the $137.5 million Johan Santana got from the Mets but less than $150 million.

    The next move will be up to Lee, who has stayed at home in Arkansas during the Winter Meetings.

    “We made an offer,’’ Cashman said Wednesday. “It’s not like he didn’t want to take an offer. He is trying to put himself in the position where he has all the offers out there.’’

    Cashman said his offer wasn’t the result of agent Darek Braunecker making an official request of the Yankees.

    “He told me he wasn’t close to making a decision,’’ Cashman said. “He is waiting on more teams to get their stuff together. He said, ‘I will let you know’ because he knew my intent not to really make an offer four weeks still four weeks away from (Lee) making a decision.’’

    The Yankees’ focus is on Lee, even though Cashman had dinner with outfielder Carl Crawford on Tuesday.

    “I feel like Hannibal Lecter in a straight jacket,’’ Cashman said of his obsession with Lee.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z17Zc4K5cF

  120. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    Sad news on the health of Rapid Robert Feller. Great pitcher, great spesker and a very nice man.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=5900594

  121. LGY December 8th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    This demonstrates how ridiculous some of the crap these writers put on twitter.

    NYBD: @Joe_DelGrippo believes less than 50% chance Lee winds up in NY 16 minutes ago via web

    When someone asked how this Joe DelGrippo knows this:

    NYBD: # @jaydestro with all due respect Joe is working the room 13 minutes ago via web in reply to jaydestro

    NYBD: # @GeeRuu dude is down in Orlando 14 minutes ago via web in reply to GeeRuu

    There you have it folks. There is less than a 50% chance Lee signs with the Yankees because Joeseph DelGrippo is down in Orlando and working the room.

  122. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    I’ve never seen Silence of the Lambs, but man, Cash is talkative.

    So Lee is weeks away from making a decision? Cash is really confusing me. With Francesca yesterday, he said he was going to wait on making an offer because he didn’t want the Yankees’ offer shopped. What happened to change his mind? I really don’t think Lee wants to be here, so I’m expecting a “no” from him and will be pleasantly surprised if he agrees.

    Cash had better let go of this obsession, lol; it’s not healthy – and he needs a backup plan should his target spurn the Yankees..

  123. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Who on earth is Joe Del Grippo?

  124. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    New minor league manager for Cincinnati Reds is Ken Griffey, Sr.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....;fext=.jsp

  125. ChokeXOnXFailure December 8th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Very sad news about Bob Feller. Saw him pitch at the Hall of Fame Classic two summers ago, and the guy was still managing to pitch.

    Think about that…The guy went from healthy enough to pitch against live batters, to Hospice care two years later. That’s not a very long time. Life’s cruel sometimes.

  126. RSM December 8th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    “Gammons is great? except when he shills for the Red Sox.”

    When does he not shill for the Red Sox?
    I’m pretty sure he angles something about the Red Sox into every single conversation.
    He could be reporting about something completely unrelated to the Sox, and he will make some comparison to Theo or the Red Sox minor league system.
    It’s gotten so bad that he has lost all credibility.

  127. Bronx Jeers December 8th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    “I feel like Hannibal Lecter in a straight jacket,’’ Cashman said of his obsession with Lee.

    ———————————————————————————————————————————

    Taken totally out of context. This makes it sound as if he’s ready to fillet Lee and serve him at the Audi Club.

    He said straight jacket because the wait is “restricting his movements a little bit”

  128. RS December 8th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    The annoying thing about all this is that the only reason Lee is interested in the Rangers is because the Mariners screwed us over this summer. Does anyone think if Lee had been traded to the Yankees instead that the Rangers would be a threat to steal him away?

  129. Triple Short of a Cycle December 8th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Betsy,

    Are you ever positive about anything? Why are you always so super negative?

  130. coney1 December 8th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Listening to NY Baseball Digest radio and these guys seem to have some legit sources. They said based on their Lee sources, the Texas offer is in the same ballpark as the Yankees and all signs point to him returning to the Rangers.

  131. vinny-b December 8th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    GB:

    very sad news (Re: Bob Feller). It was one year ago, we were amazed by the interview he did with Costas. I love the man. He is in my prayers

  132. ChokeXOnXFailure December 8th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    “So Lee is weeks away from making a decision? Cash is really confusing me. With Francesca yesterday, he said he was going to wait on making an offer because he didn’t want the Yankees’ offer shopped. What happened to change his mind?”

    Betsty,

    If you’re talking about the “four weeks” quote, think you read it wrong. I think what Cashman said, was that he didn’t want to make an offer and sit around for four weeks, knowing that Lee was four weeks away from making a decision. That’s why he waited until now, when Lee is likely days away from making a decision.

  133. coney1 December 8th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Feller is a great American and a good man. Wasn’t too many years ago he was still throwing BP at spring training.

  134. vinny-b December 8th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    “Very sad news about Bob Feller. Saw him pitch at the Hall of Fame Classic two summers ago, and the guy was still managing to pitch.
    Think about that…The guy went from healthy enough to pitch against live batters, to Hospice care two years later. That’s not a very long time. Life’s cruel sometimes”
    —————————————

    I know. He looked a ‘picture of health’ 1 year ago. To ponder what you posted, makes me long for a better place myself.

  135. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    RS, but he was traded there and he apparently loved it…………so it is what it is.

  136. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Choke, thanks!

    I doubt NYBaseball digest has great sources, but it’s been reported by several people that Lee wants to stay in TX

  137. RS December 8th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Worst case scenario…what happens if Pettitte retires, and the Yankees lose out on both Lee and Crawford? They’ll need to trade for a starting pitcher obviously, but two of their top trade chips (Gardner, Montero) are already tentatively penciled into the starting lineup for next season.

  138. BBFan December 8th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Right now CC is being interviewed during Knicks half game.
    He was asked about opt out and he said he wiil not.

  139. LGY December 8th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    “Taken totally out of context. ”

    —————–

    Really? Wow, that is bush league from George King.

  140. pat December 8th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    “he was traded there and he apparently loved it”

    3 months there and 1 1/2of them on the road does not love make. He may choose Texas but loving the place is hyperbole.

  141. Mike Ri December 8th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    thanks Betsy and coney1 for ruining my night .. Man I hope he’s in pinstripes soon.

  142. LGY December 8th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    My opinion is that Lee hated it in Texas.

  143. pat December 8th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    “My opinion is that Lee hated it in Texas.”

    It’s hot, you can’t see over all the big hair and cowboy hats in movie theaters and they say y’all all the time. Blech!

  144. coney1 December 8th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Mike Ri:

    I think the big “unknown” is whether or not TX matches the Yankee offer. If they do and NY does not increase it, he goes to TX…all things being equal he stays in TX. The question is, “will all things be equal?” There is no way he turns down more money to stay in TX but my gut tells me Nolan Ryan matches whatever the Yankees throw at him.

  145. Tom in N.J. December 8th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Sources tell me that Lee’s indifferent to Texas.

  146. blake December 8th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Lee bought some cowboy boots….he must love Texas.

  147. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    I guess we all have our opinions and we’ll see soon enough who’s right, lol.

  148. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Well if the Yankees have to beat and not just match TX, that means that Lee prefers TX………

  149. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    So I’m being made fun of because I think Lee prefers TX? But I guess if I said he preferred NY that would be ok?

  150. Mike Ri December 8th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    new post —>

  151. Tom in N.J. December 8th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    The boots were made of Artificial leather!

    He must love the Yankees!

  152. ChokeXOnXFailure December 8th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    “I doubt NYBaseball digest has great sources, but it’s been reported by several people that Lee wants to stay in TX”

    Betsy,

    There were also reports that Lee had 2 separate 7 year deals, and there’s been little ACTUAL evidence that those ever existed.

    Would Lee like to stay in Texas? Probably.

    Would Lee like to make the most money possible, over the longest guaranteed period? Absolutely.

    If he can’t get BOTH of those things in Texas, which is more important to him? History shows that it’s always the contract that wins. Seeing as other reports had Texas wanting 4 years, and bending to 5, I don’t see them topping the rumored 6 year/$140 million contract in either money or length.

    But perhaps Lee will shock everyone and adjust his demands, just to stay in Texas. It would be one of VERY few times that’s happened, though.

  153. Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Choke, I think he loves being close to home and the kids are settled there; his wife seems to love the Dallas area as well.

    We’ll see what happens, but the Yanks need to be prepared in case Lee says no.

  154. RSM December 8th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    I believe the reports that Lee wants to stay in TX, similar to the fictitious 7 yr deals, are planted to get the Yankees to maximize their offer.

  155. Bronx Jeers December 8th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    We have cowboy gear right here in the city. Billy Martin’s on 3rd Ave.

    There’s even bars in the West Village where you can dress up and rid………………

    never mind

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