Yankees preparing for Rule 5 draft
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 08, 2010 
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Between meetings and planning sessions, the Yankees scouting department has been working on a list of Rule 5 eligible players who might fit on the Yankees big league roster.
As I understand it, there are five guys who interest the Yankees, but they’re not especially optimistic that any of the five will still be available when it’s the Yankees turn to pick.
There is plenty of roster space to take someone tomorrow morning. The only question is availability.
Chad, any idea who the 5 guys might be?
Do the Yankees stand to lose anyone in the rule 5 draft? I guess it works both ways.
CB:
thank you for the word on the Braves pitching (MILB)
you saved me from a future debate/argument
Did ESPN say Crawford expected to sign with Anaheim?
Also, regarding Lee… If Mrs. Lee thought the treatment was bad before, I would recommend not returning to the stadium if Lee chooses someone other than the Yankees.
JackCurryYES
Cashman said Yanks have made offer to Lee
Wasn’t the offer 6/140-150?
Who will top that?
ac1 -
I am actually curious about Mrs. Lee’s report of behavior at the Stadium. In 2009, she also was an opposing player’s wife and Cliff Lee also pitched a game at the Stadium during the WS. There was no report of bad behavior that year.
Surely, she’s smart enough to realize that there are some bad eggs everywhere?
“JackCurryYES
Cashman said Yanks have made offer to Lee”
So much for Sherman’s tweet.
This whole Lee deal has been the most convoluted and seemingly disorganized affair I can remember.
With Scott Boras, at least he entertains actual offers. What the heck is Lee’s agent doing?
Sorry for the misunderstanding, CB. You know, I can’t remember if I saw Terheran or not. I saw quite a few games, but, not as many as usual, I spent a lot of time in Florida and such getting tune-ups. I’d need to go through my game stuff to find out. I usually keep score and make notes on the games…just for my own interests. That’s been boxed up for the winter, but, I’ll did out what I have on him and get back with you.
Buster_ESPN Miguel Cairo will get $1 m. from the REds in 2011, $1 million in 2012.
16 seasons and only the 2nd time he has gotten a contract of $1M dollars and it’s at age 36.
BloggingBombers (Mark Feinsand)
Cashman spoke with Pettitte. Still no decision on 2011, but “he wants us to get Cliff Lee, there’s no doubt about that.”
Doreen
# mick December 8th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Cash will get his man and Lee knows this.
They are playing him for all he’s worth.
Two truths in a sea of swirling rumors and speculation.
1)Cashman confirmed he made an offer for Lee
2)Lee’s agent left the meetings after getting that offer
BloggingBombers
Cashman: “I know my title is general manager, but I consider myself the director of spending for the New York Yankees.”
HAHAHAHAHA
Three Yankee names that they are sure to lose is Craig Heyer, Lance Pendleton and Brad Suttle. Three others on the maybe list are Jonathon Ortiz, Luis Nunez and Wilkin De La Rosa.
Two truths in a sea of swirling rumors and speculation.
1)Cashman confirmed he made an offer for Lee
2)Lee’s agent left the meetings after getting that offer
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Then we should have an answer by tomorrow?
Ken_Rosenthal
3-team trade was with #Rangers and #Royals. Not sure other pieces. PB Post said Nolasco, Nunez involved in diff 3-team deal. #Marlins #MLB
1 minute ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Ok, then this is it…….Lee either accepts it or he doesn’t; I don’t see the Yankees doing any negotiating
Ken_Rosenthal
Source: One of #Marlins’ attempted 3-team trades would have landed them Greinke. Talks still alive, but called “lukewarm.” MORE #Royals #MLB
7 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
The Yanks are telling Lee what they told Jeter: “Go find a better offer.”
7 years, go for it, but not with us.
I’m not sure a team is going to pick suttle in the rule 5 draft and keep him on the roster for an entire season. He hasn’t played above A+, same with heyer.
Pendleton would probably be gone though
Ken_Rosenthal
Source: One of #Marlins’ attempted 3-team trades would have landed them Greinke. Talks still alive, but called “lukewarm.”
3-team trade was with #Rangers and #Royals. Not sure other pieces.
PB Post said Nolasco, Nunez involved in diff 3-team deal. #Marlins #MLB
1 minute ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Bret,
Is it possible that other 3-team deal is with the Yankees?
Suttle can go in the minor league phases of the draft and not need to go to the ML. Just needs promoting up the ladder.
Joelsherman1
#A’s GM Beane has left Winter Meetings, in part frustrated no one take Oak $, but remain confident they are in play on Matsui
2 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Dangle Swisher!!!
I am surprised that Cash and Girardi are talking so much about needing and wanting Lee. Everyone obviously knows that but Cash is usually a lot more quiet. Maybe he admitted that he made an ofer to try and move this process along.
coney1 December 8th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Bret,
Is it possible that other 3-team deal is with the Yankees?
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When I saw the name “Leo Nunez” I immediately thought about the Yankees but then I saw “Nolasco” and that makes me doubt the Yankees are involved.
I’d like the Yankees try to bring Greinke + Yankees prospects to the Marlins in exchange for Josh Johnson.
The Rangers are in on that Greinke action.
Why wouldn’t the yankees protect Suttle on their reserve list? They might not of course, or haven’t, but we don’t usually see that list in the media right? Is it possible to see who is on the reserve lists?
I thought the minor league portion is more for organizational players.
Maybe Chad can come up with the rules for the different stages of the Rule 5 draft and differences in major and minor league phases of the draft.
Pettitte wants them to land Lee?
Hmmmmm…….
I am surprised that Cash and Girardi are talking so much about needing and wanting Lee.
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Hard to be coy about the need for Lee.
They have the offer now it’s in their court.
Florida isn’t trading Josh Johnson. They have him for 4 years less than 10 mil / year.
Not wanting to waste a roster spot on a High A player like Suttle and hoping that he squeezes through. A team like Seattle or Mets could afford to bury players on the 25 man roster….the Tankees can’t
Josh Johnson is a pipe dream I know.
Cashman feels like “Hannibal Lecter in a straightjacket”
-shpigel tweet
Ok. How about some fava beans and a nice Chianti then?
Betsy,
How do you think negotiations work? Do you think a team makes ONE offer then walks away from the table completely?
That’s not how it works. There’s a back and forth. That’s why it’s called a negotiation.
If they do sign Lee, I’ll guarantee you it won’t be the exact dollar amount they offered him today.
Teams don’t make just one offer and wash their hands clean – never to make another offer to said player again.
I agree about the Yankees expressing their desire and need for wanting Lee. I would think that they’d want to keep that a secret from everyone.
Not sure who the five players are. I got the information from a couple of Yankees sources, and obviously they don’t want to name names. They’d trying to give themselves a fighting chance at these guys.
BobKlap
Prevailing thought is that Lee will remain w/Rangers if their offer is close to #Yankees. But Yanks will def increase from 6-140.
less than 10 seconds ago via TweetDeck
Putting the two different issues together… Cash made an offer to Lee, and Lee’s agent, Braunecker, has left the winter meetings WITHOUT SAYING WHERE HE WAS GOING, makes it seem that a decision is in the making.
That doesn’t mean its the Yankees, I am sure that despite the talk that no offers were being made, that other clubs gave their figures. It was also reported that one club was eliminated.
I think this has been milked for all its worth. It seems to me that Braunecker is going to Lee with the offers and will see if it calls for Lee to either approve or at least move it along.
I hope no one takes Suttle, he was my favorite in Tampa( a little upset with him though at the end of the season for not signing a ball for some kid when he was just standing there doing nothing) I know he won’t be in Tampa next season but I would really like him to stay in the organization.
Not wanting to waste a roster spot on a High A player like Suttle and hoping that he squeezes through. A team like Seattle or Mets could afford to bury players on the 25 man roster….the Tankees can’t
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Well I don’t think people are taking Suttle if they wouldn’t even hold guys like Ivan Nova on their 25 man. He isn’t going to sit on the bench for the Mets. The Mets bench gets a lot of playing time because everyone is so awful on that team.
The system works like this:
Major League Rule 5 – Have to be on the 40 man, if you drafted at 19+ and have 4 years of time in the minors you’re eligible for the draft, 5 years if it was 18 or less draft age. Cost is 50k and have to be on the 25 man for entire year. Thats why Suttle won’t be taken, or Heyer (well Heyer might if they think eh can pitch in the big leagues right now).
Minor league system you place players on a reserve list in AA and A to protect them , and it costs less than 20k per player. Its mostly for organizational guys.
I think Suttle would be on a reserve list
BryanHoch
Cashman confirms Yankees make Cliff Lee offer: “He’s someone that’s worth waiting for. We certainly hope that he picks us.”
5 minutes ago via Chromed Bird
GF, how if the Yankees didn’t start out at 6/$150, sure, but if they did – there’s not much room to go up. They didn’t negotiate with CC – they made their best offer off the bat
6/140 is plenty good enough………..I guess the Yankees really do have to blow Lee out of the water. So much for all the talk that he was so upset about not coming to the Yankees in August.
BobKlap
Yanks think they can make it impossible for Lee to say no RT @Donnybaseball23: @BobKlap Do you think Tex will come close to Yanks offer?
less than a minute ago via TweetDeck
They didn’t negotiate with CC – they made their best offer off the bat.
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Not true. It took the extra year to get the big guy to come.
I agree about the Yankees expressing their desire and need for wanting Lee
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I am with you guys on this. Usually the Yankees are in stealth mode and never comment on free agents. The last 2 days, Cashman and Girardi have been commenting in the press about the Yankees desire for Lee.
BryanHoch
Cashman says interest in Carl Crawford is just part of “a wide net” he’s cast. Primary focus is Cliff Lee. They’ll wait on his response.
7 minutes ago via Chromed Bird
BobKlap
Prevailing thought is that Lee will remain w/Rangers if their offer is close to #Yankees. But Yanks will def increase from 6-140.
ESPN: Yanks made formal offer of 6 years, 140-150 million
**They really should not try topping that. That’s a very good and fair offer.
The Yankees offer of 6/140 was likely made to set up a final offer of 6/150. I think that’s where they will go unless Lee can drum up a legitimate 7 year offer.
You don’t negotiate any kind of deal and say here’s my first offer – take it or leave it.
Braunecker’s job is to bring Cashman a legitimate 7 year offer that would make the Yankees have to decide on whether they will up that final offer.
Don’t think Braunecker has that legitimate 7 year deal yet.
so is there an opt out clause in the lee offer?
Fran, if Lee says no, it’s going to make the Yankees look foolish.
The Yankees made no secret about wanting CC either. Certain players are no brainers to figure that the Yankees would want them. Cash saying it or not isn’t going to hide the fact that they want him, so why not give out fodder for the media to deflect them from other moves they are working on.
Braunecker can just tell the Yankees that Lee prefers the Rangers (which is probably the truth) unless the Yankees increase their offer substantially – call the Yankees bluff. If I’m the Yankees, I just walk then.
via ESPN:
2 sources close to Carl Crawford says he will sign with Anaheim Angels
how will it make the yankees look foolish? because they offered a lot of money and Lee would say no? Really not much you can do about that.
6/150- that’s crazy.
# Betsy December 8th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
GF, how if the Yankees didn’t start out at 6/$150, sure, but if they did – there’s not much room to go up. They didn’t negotiate with CC – they made their best offer off the bat
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First off, the reports range from $140M to $150M. How do you know it wasn’t a $140M offer?
Secondly, Sabathia did not agree to the first offer the Yanks made. Completely false.
Their first offer was 6/$140M and they later added a 7th year for $162M plus the opt out clause.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....;fext=.jsp
“They didn’t negotiate with CC – they made their best offer off the bat”
Not true. The Yankees did make their first offer for an AAV of 23M to CC and that’s roughly what it stayed at.
But their first offer was 6 years/ 140. They added a seventh year to get him to sign.
People are forgetting how long and drawn out that process was. CC sat on the yankees first offer for 2 weeks, IIRC. The Yanks then upped the offer during the winter meetings and then he signed.
CC pretty much got everything he wanted.
For somene who says they don’t care whether the Yankees sign Lee or not, you spend a lot of time saying what they’d better not do. i.e. They’d better not offer more than 6 years..they’d better not offer more than $10-$150 mil….they need to stop talking about how much they need Lee (like that’s a surprise thoughout baseball.i
Lee will sign with NYY, it’s just a matter of time.
The only reason he wouldn’t sign with NYY is if some team offers Lee something out of this orbit, such as a 7 yr/175 mil deal..
Think about it, what team has the financial resources to go round to round with NYY when NYY is zeroing in on someone?Does someone really think NYY will get outbid on $?
All these tweets and reports are just the normal BS during the winter meetings, same stuff different year.
Trading Montero + more for Greinke is worse than giving Lee a 7th year if that’s what it takes.
If Lee really wanted to stay in Texas, he wouldn’t have had his Agent do what he did this winter meeting.
FWIW Michael Kay was saying today that he spoke to a friend of Cliff Lee. The friend said that Cliff is all about the money and not where he plays. If Washington offers the most, then it will be the Nats according to what Kay said.
AC, no……..it will make them look foolish because they talked so much about needing and wanting him. Joe came out and said today that signing Lee was very important. If he spurns them, then what? That they can’t win without him? That was what Joe implied.
“6/150- that’s crazy”
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for a 33 year old starting pitcher, yes it is. (see: Brown, Kevin; another fine post-season starting pitcher)
whats the difference between 6/150 and 6/140? These figures, when it comes down to it, are completely arbitrary to most of us here. It comes down to 1.6 Million dollars more a year, and if you think that the difference of having Cliff Lee to not having him over 1.6M is a crazy idea, all I can say is thank heaven that we spend our days on this blog instead of in the yankee front office.
“Trading Montero + more for Greinke is worse than giving Lee a 7th year if that’s what it takes.”
A lot worse.
But I don’t know if it’ll come to that. These are huge dollars we’re talking about already, especially for a 32 year old.
The Braunecker show is on the clock. It’s his job to try to force the issue. Let’s see if he can or if all he was really good at doing this winter was making nice nice with Heyman.
i tend to agree that lee’s agent does not have a 7 year offer and is posturing. 6/140 is a serious offer and probably takes a few teams out of it, at least.
now it’s up to texas to counter the yankees move.
maybe they need to move michael young to free up the money?
even without lee, the yankees will make moves necessary to give them a chance to win.
I think Cashman would still like to get some vacay time this winter. Hence he probably made a pretty strong offer to Lee’s agent.
I guess Bartlett is a Padre now.
People in here were going nuts waiting for CC to decide. Al from BK?
The Yanks made that offer very early and we waited and waited. I don’t even recall CC getting any other offers.
Then Cashman made his “midnight ride” to Vallejo.
When the Yankees were after CC they let it be known what their offer was. It chased every other club away, even though there were token visits to CC’s agent from the California teams, those were for their fans and to appease the media who were saying that CC didn’t want to go to NY.
This was a little different, in that they didn’t put out what the offer was. Most of what is being reported is supposition based on what CC got and it being the Yankees.
This is a different situation because teams are spending this year more so than last year. Ryan is also a competitor that wants Lee.
“FWIW Michael Kay was saying today that he spoke to a friend of Cliff Lee. The friend said that Cliff is all about the money and not where he plays. If Washington offers the most, then it will be the Nats according to what Kay said”
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heard a similar report (“he loves monnnnnney”). Makes you wonder what he spends it on. Redman, ammo, lasertag, etc are not really high ticket items. Maybe NASCAR..
There’s no substantive difference between 6/140 and 6/150. It’s just arbitrary where you draw the line on figures once they get to that range on a 6 year deal.
No one in any walk of life just negotiates with an employee they want by making one offer take it or leave it.
It’s just routine business. The Yankees have a top dollar figure they have in mind. The opening offer will be less than that. They’ll then up the figure to the budgeted amount until Lee’s camp increases their leverage with a better deal.
Lee’s done his job with his performance. That’s what did 95% of the negotiating. His agent’s job is to up the ante that next 5%. Let’s see if they can do it.
Whatever happened to Al from BK?
I thought the poor guy was going to off himself over CC.
If Texas signs Lee for $25 million per year, that will be approximately 25% of their payroll based on last season. Isn’t that going to be like Alex redux?
I think Lee gets 6/138M+signing bonus so more or less total Just close to 146M.
In this dealings with Lee, it’s no difference than the dealings with Sabathia was. Everybody in baseball knew the Yankees were going full out for him. It was hardly a secret. The only secret, like with Teixeira, was the final meeting to close the deal.
And where did the yankees imply that we cant win without Cliff Lee?
Have you not followed how free agency works? Have you not debated the merits on why Marvin Miller needs to be in the HOF, because thanks to him, players have so much more leverage.
Free Agency is a dance, back in the early 90′s the yankees wanted Greg Maddux, they were public about it and they even gave him a better offer than the braves did, he picked the braves, and publicly said he didnt want to pitch for the yankees. what did the yankees do? They signed Jimmy Key and Wade Boggs, Greg Maddux ended up winning one world series with the braves, he ended up losing 2 versus the yankees, and Wade Boggs ended up on the back of a horse in yankee stadium.
Its a long process that you need to wait for the fog of war to clear up and then assess the situations, these draconian statements on what the yankees should do are silly.
In the end, its gonna work out one way or another. Let the dancers dance and enjoy it.
CB,
I agree….as I said earlier. I’m still not convinced there is a team out there that will top 6/140….maybe there is someone who will go 7 years but not at that AAV…we’ll find out soon, but I think you have to do what it takes to sign Lee. You don’t bid against yourself to do it but you top whatever real offers are out there.
There is so much ego involved with players and free agency; I believe that it is GOOD thing that the Yankees are clear about how much they would like Cliff Lee to be a part of their team.
If Lee chooses otherwise, that’s his prerogative. The Yankees will have done their best to land him, and cannot control Lee’s ultimate decision.
The Yankees are not looking foolish here at all. Nor are they looking desperate. Their desire for Cliff Lee, their need for him in their rotation, is quite transparent. To say otherwise would be the foolish thing.
“The Yankees are not looking foolish here at all. Nor are they looking desperate. Their desire for Cliff Lee, their need for him in their rotation, is quite transparent. To say otherwise would be the foolish thing.”
Doreen-
I completely agree with you. If the the Yankees tried to “spin” this and act off-handed towards Lee it would just look like them coming off hopelessly Nieve.
They have already agreed to trade their best prospect – the kid who is the best hitter in the minors for this player – how much more obvious can it be that they need him and want him.
To say anything would just make the organization look disingenuous.
The Yankees generally pick their words carefully up and down an organization when they are going after a player.
But there’s so much instant overreactiion these days. It’s not particularly useful when one come across a set of actions one doesn’t agree with to attribute those actions to that other party essentially being stupid or nieve. But that’s what people do all of the time these days.
I think you’ve summed it up where the yankees are right now.