Rule 5 draft begins
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 09, 2010 
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Here we are, in a big room full of big tables. And we’re about to hear some small names with a small chance of sticking on a big league roster. It was just announced taht the draft will start in two minutes.
The buzz here, beyond the Rule 5, is that the Yankees have upped their Cliff Lee offer to seven years. They obviously need him, and after Jayson Werth and Carl Crawford got seven, I’m sure they were concerned that Lee could get seven from some other team.
UPDATE, 9:02 a.m.: Josh Rodriguez, a Cleveland infielder, is the first pick going to Pittsburgh. Ouch, and Seattle follows with a Cleveland pitcher.
UPDATE, 9:05 a.m.: The Mets just lost a pitcher named Elvin Ramirez.
UPDATE, 9:06 a.m.: Six or seven teams in a row just passed.
UPDATE, 9:07 a.m.: George Kontos was just taken by San Diego. That’s one Yankees prospect off the board.
UPDATE, 9:08 a.m.: Yankees just took lefty Robert Fish from the Angels.
UPDATE, 9:11 a.m.: And there goes Lance Pendleton. The Yankees have now lost a second pitcher in the Rule 5.
UPDATE, 9:12 a.m.: In the greatest upset of all time, the Yankees took a second Rule 5 pick, a Red Sox pitcher named Daniel Turpen.
Seven years is dumb, but not as dumb as the Crawford contract.
How about Shin Soo Choo to play LF and stabilize the inconsistent lineup?
7 years may be dumb but Crawford left them little choice.
Their pitching coaches may be busy 4-5 years from now.
Stunning – ESPN has annointed the Sux THE BOMB.
YAWN!!!
Buster Olney and John Kruk aren’t necessarily objective bystanders when it comes to Yanks-Sux.
Bret – We have a LF. He’ll do just fine.
How fed up must the rest of baseball be with Boston and NY?
I mean, Philly and SF are legit, but how can any other team feel good when Boston is now loaded and the Yanks are poised to follow suit if they acquire Lee.
The Yankees have enough offense-they just need players like Tex, A-Rod, Posada, to improve on their numbers and Granderson and Gardner to show further improvement.
We currently only have 8 pitchers that look like they have jobs. It might be necessary to overpay for some lockdown bullpen arms like lefty Scott Downs and bringing back Kerry Wood.
SI_JonHeyman good move by #yankees to up offer to lee. assuming they get him, chances for pettitte return enhanced. #wouldlike6thring
BloggingBombers It also appears the Lee sweepstakes are coming to a conclusion. Rangers had been hesitant to go 6 years, won’t go to 7.
It’s not dumb if that’s where the market takes you and you want the player.
Especially since Lee is a better, and more impactful player, than both Crawford and Werth.
“6 years, 7 years…why the uproar??!!!??? Give Lee what he wants , get Feliciano, Andy will then sign, and we are the favorites once more.”
Absoutely agree. Lee signs, Andy cannot wait to come back.
GO YANKEES!!!
I think the Yankee offense will be more consistent when they have a catcher who doesn’t have a .335 SLG%.
Those were 317 plate appearances that circled the drain.
Adding Montero and his big boy bat, along with hopefully a more healthy and consistent Teixeira, will help the lineup immensely.
Or Justin Upton for LF.
I’m not really upset yet with what the RSox have done from a Yankee perspective as of now. Before the Off-Season began I expected the RSox to get Werth and possibly Crawford too, and for them to sign Beltre or VMart. Werth in Fenway would be scary! He is the RH bat they desperately need with all those lefties. Thank-you Washington! I am a bit surprised like the rest of you that they got AGone so cheaply, but is he that much of an upgrade over 2010 version of Beltre? Maybe some.
Crawford/Salty vs Kalish/VMart is a wash. More speed.
Beltre vs AGone is a wash too. Got Younger.
Of course the RSox are probably not done yet and neither are the Yanks IMO. The RSox have an edge if Lee/Pettite aren’t in Pinstripes. Not so much if they do!
Both teams had major injuries last year & how the season plays out in 2011 on that front will probably mean more than who is signed.
What did I miss? Why are we worried about the Red Sox? Don’t you people know they aren’t gonna be competing for the World Series title for another 80 years??
YT-
I’m not content with the Yankee offense.
Let’s kick it up a notch.
Did the Yankees lose anything other than Kontos in the Rule 5?
MTU,
I’m with you.
Don’t stand pat with this offense and hope for consistency.
Kick it up a notch.
Upton in LF?
SJ, you’d vomit if you listened to what Kruk was saying (crying with tears in his voice) right now. It doesn’t matter whether the Yankees have Lee or CC. Crawford will annihilate them both and just fly those balls straight to world series heaven.
trisha -
I’ll be avoiding the media (specifically XM radio) today.
It’s a Sox love-fest when they do nothing, It’ll be disgusting today! 
Why all this Feliciano fuss?
Whip 1.53
righties hit .336
appeared in 92 games, who knows how many other times he warmed up?
Good to know Mazz hates Crawford: “What is the fascination with Carl Crawford? Just wondering: are we playing fantasy baseball or the real thing? Crawford puts up nice numbers and, as any stat geek will tell you, he runs! Five-category player, dude: hits, runs, homers, RBI and steals. Top five pick. Yes, Crawford is a good player in the real game, too, but is he really a lineup centerpiece that is worthy of contract akin to that of, say, Matt Holliday?
If your answer is yes, we have irreconcilable philosophical differences.
Now, if you want to talk about the value of speed, particularly on defense, we can talk. The value of good baserunning? We can talk. But as for stolen bases, the San Francisco Giants finished last in the majors this year and last in steal efficiency, too, which should tell you plenty. You don’t need it. And if you start paying out the nose for speed, you’re a dope.
A request: take away Crawford’s steal total and look at his average numbers over the last three years. Is that really worth somewhere around $18 million a year? Hell no.”
I would be a little bit more circumspect about pencilling in Jesus as “Jesus” just now.
Let’s just give the guy a few at bats first. Shall we ?
BD,
It’s a big reason why, outside the NE corridor, baseball has a very hard time wooing the casual fan.
It’s Boston and the Yankees….a step down to the Phillies……and everybody else.
Baseball fans are spending their money on baseball. Which is why the revenues are so high.
The casual fan? Not so much, which is why WS ratings were so poor this year.
the only downside on Lee signing 7 years is that we will be hearing some people on this blog telling us for the next 7 years that the contract was a mistake. I can picture Lee bieng the world series MVP in 2014 and some people telling us how dumb cash was for giving him 7 years.
such is life
Bret-
Carl is gonna kill me for this but yes.
Let’s get CL and AP first then go for the jugular.
“Why all this Feliciano fuss?”
He’s a LOOGY, no question. But he has a 5 year history of being very effective in that regard. Also doesn’t cost the Yankees their 2nd round draft pick.
Tony Mazz…..the voice of reason in a sea of overreaction.
Hello Trish!
Good to see you back!! I’ve missed you!
It’s funny that no matter how ridiculous the Sox get with THEIR contracts, the Yankees moves are always bad and the Sox are always good.
NO WAY Crawford deserves to be the highest paid outfieider in MLB history.
They still have JD Drew on the hook, and now a 10 Million Dollar 4th OF who barely played last year.
Sorry, but since they were all hurt last year too, i would hold off calling their lineup the best ever. For all we know, none of them will come back at the same strength, and Crawford will be the only hitter in the lineup.
I’ll be avoiding the media (specifically XM radio) today
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Doreen,
That’s why I listen to WFAN and Michael Kay. They can be annoying too, but at least they usually slant it toward the NY teams.
Howe Farr December 9th, 2010 at 9:13 am
the only downside on Lee signing 7 years is that we will be hearing some people on this blog telling us for the next 7 years that the contract was a mistake.
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Isn’t this what you were requesting yesterday when the blog discussion turned to former celebrity crushes?
Bret-
OF is where we can Upgrade the most easily.
We have the chips to bust a move. In fact, several moves.
usually i go to the MLB network because ESPN is so one sided to the Sox, but now Gammons and Millar are on TV for MLB all day. And i live in Boston so no YES Network. Ugh….
Robert Fish? He of the 8.93 ERA in AA with correspondingly bad peripherals. Surely, the Yankees don’t think he can make the 25 man roster.
Hey there Trisha! Glad to see you roaming once more.
Doreen –
I am so with you.
It makes me think of the beginning of Rudyard Kipling’s “If”
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs
I think some of us tend to do that well!
I will continue to enjoy this offseason by not drowning in it but trusting that our braintrust has a pulse on what needs to be done.
Trisha – true pinstriped blue says:
December 9, 2010 at 9:11 am
SJ, you’d vomit if you listened to what Kruk was saying (crying with tears in his voice) right now. It doesn’t matter whether the Yankees have Lee or CC. Crawford will annihilate them both and just fly those balls straight to world series heaven.
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You should come down to Tampa, it is not a happy place here. Lots of rays fans upset. They knew he wasn’t coming back but to go to the red sox was a tough blow for them(wouldve been the same as if he went to the yankees but I’m glad he didn’t because then they would be complaining about the yankees buying everyone) its hatred for the red sox down here which makes me happy.
Bret-
My wish list is posted in the previous thread.
I know what you mean ac1. . I live in Rhode Island . its brutal
Wow, Montero keeps getting better…
End of season after Posada/Cervelli were bad….Montero is going to be a star!
Sox sign Agon….Montero IS a star
Sox sign Crawford….Montero is going to be a superstar.
I suppose Montero will be crowned a HOFer if Texas signs Lee.
Trisha,
I’m one who think it’s great ESPN is on the Red Sox hype wagon again.
They have gone completely outside their baseball philosophies the past two years to guys guys like Lackey, Cameron and Crawford. Three guys who don’t fit what they do.
I watched the Yankees do it from 2002-2007 with limited success.
It’s not about spending money. It’s about spending it wisely.
JMO but, I would have spend the money differently if I was the Red Sox.
MTU,
If they had just listened to us when we were lobbying for Matt Holliday.
Trisha-
Looks like CL came to Mama ! All the best.
MTU,
Saw your wish list.
I like it.
Mine is simple and sweet now.
Lee
Pettitte
Upton
Marmol
Bret-
That’s another story for another day.
Water under the bridge.
I’m a here and now guy with a teleological bent.
How’s that for big words.
Personally I really like Crawford as a LF, & a lot more if he were a CF. He is very good. So was the 2010 VMart & he was their Catcher. VMart is gone. Beltre was great last year too & AGone is his replacement literally & I like the RSox move for that. But it doesn’t make them better! Hall had a very good year & he is gone.
The RSox are still weak up the middle. Salty/VTek, Scutaro, & Ellsbury. Perhaps they will try to improve there still.
But the RSox will live or die with their SP. Beckett/Lackey & Dice-K will have to rebound & I’m not so sure of that.
Shame Spencer December 9th, 2010 at 9:16 am
Howe Farr December 9th, 2010 at 9:13 am
the only downside on Lee signing 7 years is that we will be hearing some people on this blog telling us for the next 7 years that the contract was a mistake.
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Isn?t this what you were requesting yesterday when the blog discussion turned to former celebrity crushes?
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LOL Maybe we should talk about Luke Perry again.
I cant decide if getting Lee is going to make Andy want to come back for another ring, or if he’ll retire because he’ll think we dont need him. :/
Bret-
I want another BP arm who is DEATH on lefties.
I must admit…I had to look it up…and I still don’t know what it means.
teleology |?tel??äl?j?; ?t?l?-|
noun ( pl. -gies) Philosophy
the explanation of phenomena by the purpose they serve rather than by postulated causes.
• Theology the doctrine of design and purpose in the material world.
Have you seen the pictures of these two pitchers the Yankees took? Put Joba next to them and I couldn’t tell them apart.
MTU,
Marmol is DEATH on EVERYONE!!!
And I want a defensive upgrade at catcher.
Jose Molina where are you ?
Hi Ray. It’s nice to be back. Thank you.
Shame, my brother would definitely want me back and lively, especially when it comes to our Yanks!
But I have always made it a practice not to get swept up into the swirling emotions that accompany the offseason. So this for me is purely fun and interesting. I just saw the Sux get better. BFD. Nothing spells success like pitching.
Want Lee to agree today, just to wipe the Sox news down the page a little.
shame,
those were the days….
Jose Molina is in Toronto.
We should go get Bengie….
MTU -
Time to get on that bus to Syracuse, and chill.
RS lose V-Mart and Beltre, replaced by A-Gon and Crawford. The way I look at it those numbers could be a wash, or even a negative this year.
Given the long contracts they have now, and losing their #1 draft pick to the Rays, pitching questions, and catching problems, I fear not the Nation, for we remain superior!
I do not think Crawford was ever a real possibility for NY, and Cashman was just driving up the cost to the RS, good job Cash.
Who ever is the primary position player on his wish list is still out there, let’s hope we get him, and soon.
If Lee passes on our offer, then I say, good luck – your loss.
Previous to this week, what was the largest and longest contract the Sox ever handed out?
Manny?
ac1-
Nah. Let’s get yadier.
SI_JonHeyman #rangers gm jon daniels on chances for cliff lee: “you guys can draw your own conclusions.”
“Marmol is DEATH on EVERYONE!!! ”
Except the strike zone
“We should go get Bengie?.”
I’ve wondered why his name hasn’t come up here.
trish -
Good morning, I hope today is as bright as you are.
Nolan Ryan is going to be on Mike and Mike in a little while. Could be an interesting listen.
Fran -
I don’t get the Kay show in my neck of the woods – the station doesn’t come in well. And I can only stomach so much of Francessa. He’s great in interviews – I enjoy that. Hate the call-ins. Hate them.
NYY626 -
I’m wondering if Andy thinks with Lee there, the pressure on him is a little less, so it would be more attractive to pitch on a rotation with Lee than without him. And I mean physical pressure as opposed to mental pressure, because Andy can deal with mental pressure.
Rothschild can harness him and keep him at around 2 K’s per inning.
Al-
Fit CL for PS now.
I see a fork sticking out of that contract’s back.
The surprise awaits ( I hope).
You can see the rest of my “wish list” in the prior thread.
WWIII is about to start.
We’ve got the ultimate missile shield. Now we need a few more missiles is all.
Erin – Luke Perry makes every discussion better.
Trisha – Absolutely!! And what better time to join the discussion than when Red Sox Nation has join the ranks of the Evil Empire?!
Crawford to the Sox is no where near a wash. Crawford gets on, creates on the basepaths and can produce additional runs with his legs. In that lineup with a healthy Pedroia and Youkilis an extra run or two will win you a lot of games. Beltre and V Mart were great for them. I also think the hype around A Gone is sooooo overdone and talked about for years that he may put up great numbers and still disappoint. The Sox’s problems start with the poor years from Lackey and Beckett, Papelbon faltering and maybe complaining about money all year and their weaknesses now and longer term at two key spots, catcher and SS. That is all assuming they add depth to their bullpen. Who is down there anymore? Bard and Papelbon. With Delcarmen and Oki gone I can’t even remember anyone else at this point.
The RSox had to make a splash this off-season as their ticket sales were in a decline. I am totally sure that Werth was the #1 option for them because they need a RH bat & Werth is that guy. They missed out on him, TY Washington!
Crawford is the knee jerk reaction to losing Werth & possibly losing Crawford too even to the Yanks! RSox bellied up to the plate and got Crawford.
AGone is a great move for them. Again AGone is a 2 yr late reaction to Tex.
Lackey was a dumb move. So was Dice-K.
It will be fun to see how the Yanks do with Lee/Pettite & the rest.
Al-
I told JCPD to trade in his vehicle for an arctic cat days ago.
The dude wouldn’t listen.
MTU -
We’ve got all the missiles we need, we just have to hope for no “misfires”, and we’ll be fine.
Given all the hype surrounding the RS, my greatest worry are the Jays, they have a very solid team.
“…its hatred for the red sox down here which makes me happy.”
YES!
from purely my own perspective, I think Andy comes back, especially if Lee is signed.
One last year of the Core 4, one more shot to win a WS w/ those guys
Doreen – thats the positive spin on the situation, which i’m hoping is correct lol. All of this “news” about Andy waiting on Lee’s decision is confusing me though.
The Red Sox offense has the potential to be scary good. Anybody should be able to see that. AGon vs last year’s Beltre may be a bit of a wash, but long term it’s a serious upgrade. Crawford is wasted a bit playing LF in front of the monster because his defensive value inherently can’t be as high. But, he’s a great fit for the 2-hole for them. Then you factor in Pedroia potentially bouncing back from injury (Youkilis too) and it’s easy to see why people are so excited.
Pedroia
Crawford
Youkilis
AGon
Papi
Drew
Scutaro
Salty
Ellsbury
They are, however, very lefty-dominant. Especially in the heart of the order. One of the reasons the Yanks added that 7th year to Lee. And, one of the reasons I think it’s imperative for the Yanks to add a good lefty reliever to the mix. I’m hoping for Downs as I have been all off-season, but if they really don’t want to give up the 2nd round pick, I suppose I could settle for Feliciano. It would be nice to get Wood as well.
WWIII is about to start.
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Hyperbole at its best…or worse.
I don’t care WHAT the sux do. They can go and screw themselves into the ground for all I care.
I DO care what the Yankees do. They hunt big game. And they have the killer instinct.
MTU -
43″ and more on the way! I can see it now, he gets home, but can’t get back to to the weather, he planned it this way.
Still waiting for those snow pictures.
Got to go, be back in a bit.
Also a short series hopefully Lee on board and Andy back —- CC, Lee and Andy vs. Crawford, A Gone, Papi, Drew, Ellsbury, Salty, Varitek being all lefties is favorable to the Yanks. Crawford also doesn’t walk all that much so not exactly the most patient of hitters. The rest of the lineup is, even more why Lee who constantly throws strikes is even more important. We have seen what he does to the Yankees patient lineup.
Al-
I don’t believe in “misfires”. Rather be as certain as we can.
It’s about time the rs payroll is approaching ours’—the little evil empire. hypocrites.
SI_JonHeyman cashman: “crawford was predictable … it was going to go 1 way or other (boston or angels). great move by boston.”
they better fix their bullpen. no middle.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/12/09/whats-next/
last year on this day
Maybe Nolan Ryan says that Texas will go 7….
Doubt it. Maybe he throws in the towel.
This ownership stuff is new for guys like Ryan and Greenberg. Interesting to see how they play the game with the big boys.
I said a couple of weeks back that I thought the Yanks would either get both Lee and Pettitte this offseason or neither.
Seems like things are leaning that way as of this writing.
i like the nickname the “Mini Evil Empire”. Can be the Sox new name, except ESPN acknowledges all thier moves are fantastic and the Yankees are just overspenders.
End of season after Posada/Cervelli were bad….Montero is going to be a star!
Sox sign Agon….Montero IS a star
Sox sign Crawford….Montero is going to be a superstar.
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WTF are you talking about?
How does saying that Montero’s bat is an automatic upgrade over Cervelli lead to that ridiculous hyperbole?
NYY626-Lee really needs to hurry up and make a decision, so Andy can too.
“The Red Sox offense has the potential to be scary good. Anybody should be able to see that”
YAWN!
I’ll tell you scary good. Lincecum, Cain, and Sanchez, with Bumgarner learning the ropes.
I’ll tell you scary good. CC, Lee, and Andy, with Hughes getting his game together.
Sorry, friends, I ain’t afraid.
I’m hearing a whole lot of hot air about Carl Crawford on the Red Sox from both sides. He’s a great player, certainly more valuable than Werth (whose own value was hugely inflated).
Comparing him with Cliff Lee and calling Lee “better” or more “impactful” is a rather silly apples and oranges argument. Crawford will add his skills daily to improve the Red Sox, and Lee will add skills to wherever he pitches every 5 days. Make your own judgements there, but they’re different.
Meanwhile I’ve seen a few people who thought Crawford would go to the Angels because he fits into their baseball philosophy, and definitely not the Red Sox. Crawford fits onto any team. I think every team recognizes speed as a major commodity, even the Sox who highly value their own little guy Ellsbury. They’ll figure out ways to get Crawford running around the basepaths, and Fenway is a great park for inside the park homeruns. I bet you’ll see a few over the course of Crawfords career.
There’s no point in spewing BS just because a good player signed with the opposing team. I consider that a very Red Sox fan like mentality. The second man mentality.
“from purely my own perspective, I think Andy comes back, especially if Lee is signed.
One last year of the Core 4, one more shot to win a WS w/ those guys”
Kate totally agree. Andy is a huge competitor. He’s considering another year. He definitely is not happy with the way they went out last year. What better than coming back to a rotation with CC and Lee. Yanks get Lee, Andy is back on board.
Can’t see the Rangers selling 7 years especially if they are trying to trade Young? The hope they can compete if the money is the same as the Yankees is almost laughable. Lee will not sniff the world series if they trade young especially since they had a bit of a fluke year and will start to have to pay their players who currently aren’t making much, just like the Rays now. Rays cleaning house now moving Garza? They will be a sad state this year. How miserable will Longoria be? Garza, Soriano, Pena, Crawford and Bartlett all gone. He’ll have to scream at BJ all on his own all year.
i place a lot of weight of first reactions.
my first reaction to crawford as a red sox when i saw it this morning:
crap!!!
my second reaction:
haven’t had one yet that’s any different
espn may be spinning it that way, but to the rest of mlb the sox are the mini evil empire…they can’t keep pretending to be a small market team w/ those contracts.
I would much rather have Lee for 7 than Crawford.
Well that’s my 8 cents worth.
Have an awesome day all. Time to bundle up and go walking with Brian (the Sux fan). I’m sure this should be a jolly walk!!! (groan)
My guess is that Texas ups he ante for Greinke today if Lee does choose the Yanks……maybe even fight the Angels for Beltre if they can move Young.
BenBadler Also like the Robert Fish pick by the Yankees. Prob won’t stick, but worth taking a look at AA lefty who hits 95, misses bats
JackCurryYES Brian Cashman wouldn’t confirm that Yanks have increased offer to Cliff Lee to 7 yrs
Anybody should be able to see that. AGon vs last year’s Beltre may be a bit of a wash, but long term it’s a serious upgrade.
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Long term its an upgrade for sure. However long term the Red Sox offense is going to be real iffy unless they are signing even more players next year and the year after.
No real catcher, their SS is old and not derek jeter, youkilis is moving across the defensive spectrum and is in his 30s now, drew will be gone, ortiz will be gone, ellsbury is no good and cameron is old.
Their offense is going to be Pedroia-Agon-Crawford-Youkilis.
Good players sure, but one who can’t stay healthy, one who is overrated and not ascending like Cano, another who is a bit player, and then A-gon who will be really good.
They have a chance to be a good offense for years, but this isn’t Manny-Ortiz in 2004.
JackCurryYES Cashman wouldn’t say if he spoke to Lee’s agent, but did speak to Hal Steinbrenner. Probably to discuss going to 7th year on Lee
Good morning and welcome back Trisha.
A couple of observations, just being honest and sure to endear me to many. Trying to be objective and subjugating my disdain for all things Red Sox, Theo did a masterful job with owners support getting AGon and Crawford and correcting weaknesses on the team. I don’t see any problem with Crawford’s contract at all and neither it seems do most GM’s.
Glad to see the Yankees going a seventh year for Cliff Lee. That is the right thing to do and the only logical choice given the circumstances and the necessity to maintain the balance of power in the AL East. I hope it’s enough.
An observation, to my debaters from yesterday, it looks like Mr. Heyman was right about there being a team willing to go seven years on Lee. And he appears to be right about the Yankees upping their offer as well.
all this chitter chatter, chitter chatter, chitter chatter ’bout…
Uh-huh, this town’s full of money grabbers
Go ahead, bite the Big Apple, don’t mind the maggots, huh
Shadoobie, my brain’s been battered
Trisha -
Oh, I’m not afraid. Bring Lee on board, and I’m happy to go to battle with this Yankees team against anyone, any time.
The Red Sox fate will depend more on what they get from Beckett and Lackey than their moves this winter…….if those two aren’t better it wont matter much.
But wait, I thought Crawford was going to the Angels? Is Arte Moreno the biggest blowhard in history – (well next to a few lohudder regulars that is)?
Once again he’s promised big things only to screw the Angel fans again. Now he’ll go and overpay skells like Nick Johnson and Troy Glaus only to save face (see Matthews, Gary, Abreu, Bobby and Fuentes, Brian)….
Cashmans gotta do somethin, the suxs fans up north here are crowing this morning. ugh
Jerkface
was that sort of a compliment to Jeter?!!
“BenBadler Also like the Robert Fish pick by the Yankees. Prob won’t stick, but worth taking a look at AA lefty who hits 95, misses bats”
Nice K rate, but sure gives up a lot of hits for a guy who misses bats.
“It’s not dumb if that’s where the market takes you and you want the player.”
The market is dumb.
was that sort of a compliment to Jeter?!!
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Of course, Jeter destroyed his age 35 season. Scutaro? Not so likely.
“Trisha -
Oh, I’m not afraid. Bring Lee on board, and I’m happy to go to battle with this Yankees team against anyone, any time.”
Atta boy!
Nice K rate, but sure gives up a lot of hits for a guy who misses bats.
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He’s hit or miss.
Cashmans gotta do somethin, the suxs fans up north here are crowing this morning. ugh
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Yankees don’t have to be reactionary to everything Boston does. That’s the Sox mentality, feeling constantly inferior to us, as they should.
Their offense is going to be Pedroia-Agon-Crawford-Youkilis.
Good players sure, but one who can’t stay healthy, one who is overrated and not ascending like Cano, another who is a bit player, and then A-gon who will be really good.
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Look, I hate the Sux as much as anyone. However, calling any of those four a ‘bit player’ is ludicrous.
Expect the L.A. Angels to sign Beltre and Soriano now. They’ve been too quiet for too long.
Boston is still not strong up the middle with the possible exception of Pedroia. Scutaro is what he is. Saltalamacchia / Varitek scare nobody. Crawford never wanted to play CF for the Rays, certainly won’t for Boston.
They better hope for a full year of good health from ALL of their starting 5 rotation pitchers. Lester is the only LH. Will Buchholtz get figured out ? Will Beckett have a bounceback year ? Wakefield is the only fill in starter. Their farm system has been drained. Nothing to use as a trading chip except Papelbon. Bullpen questionable. Papelbon and Bard can’t be used every day.
Assuming Lee and Andy are on board and another LH for the bullpen is secured, the Yankees are set.
Montero 80 games. Jorge 50 games. Cervelli or whoever get the rest.
randy
if it’s any consolation, crawford would have been better and happier in NY with the short porch.
he couldn’t put TB over the top, he won’t in beantown.
can’t wait till their pitching staff fails and he gets turned on by fenway faithful
I don’t think that Ryan and Greenberg will match the Yankee offer. They hadn’t even offered anything yet other than “get back to me with what it will take to sign Lee”. That isn’t the way to work the FA market.
The Red Sox made some good moves this off season. Good for them. They needed to do something big and they did. I don’t think signing Crawford is a bad move for them, but it isn’t a killer move to the Yankees. Its not like the Yankees haven’t dealt with Crawford before, and if the Yanks add Lee and Andy comes back for another year, his contributions will be blunted unless he suddenly starts hitting lefties better. Even then, facing three top lefty pitchers will be that much more a problem for them.
I don’t think anyone is going to be allowed to top the Yankees offering for Lee. Angels balk when there is competition for their targets, so they aren’t going after Lee, IMO. Texas knew it was probably a rental for Lee, despite all they were saying.
It possible that a trade deal with come in for the Yanks as well. I don’t see the need for panic over the moves that Boston made. They were solid moves, but it wasn’t offense that was the bigger problem they had, it was pitching.
I’m hoping that the Yanks can announce that Lee is in the fold, just to put an end to this Lee chatter and allow Cash to concentrate on his next move.
We need to remained focused on pitching ! . . Thats what wins
I’ll tell you scary good. CC, Lee, and Andy, with Hughes getting his game together.
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Don’t forget the other guy.
If he gets his game together like he can (Hello? McFly? ), then there’s gold in them there hills.
Damage Inc. ©
No big deal on the Rule 5′s. They’re hit and miss. If they don’t stick, it cost you $25,000 or you arrange a minor league trade to keep him in the minors.
Nolan Ryan scheduled to meet with Lee toda, he’s on radio on espn.
pcaldera Brian Cashman said whatever limits the Yanks had going in for Lee are still in place. But also said he’d be “aggressive in areas of need.”
Still want to see Wood, and 1-2 more lefties in the pen for all of these lefties.
Damn Nolan Ryan . .GIVE up already . . i’m so sick of him ! . .
Here’s why Crawford made complete sense.
Red Sox have an injured CF in Ellsbury, no one of note in LF and Drew (a free agent after this season in RF)
Yankees have Gardner in LF, Gradnerson (2 years left in CF) and Swisher ( a free agent after this year)
Here are the free agents:
2012 : Bautista, Willingham, Juan Rivera, Beltran, Crisp, Dejusus, Sizemore (club option so maybe 2013) Abreu, Cuddyer, Drew, Swisher, Kubel, Ross
Anyone you want on that list other than resigning Swisher????? Not me.
Yankees have zero OF even close to coming up to help.
So the other options are using prospect chips and trying to get Kemp, Upton, Gonzales, maybe Sizemore if he proves healthy, Rasmus or someone else to get younger and solidify a spot. That will cost the Yankees a lot, but they need to get younger by then. Hence why Montero next year and working proscpects in is big.
However, calling any of those four a ‘bit player’ is ludicrous.
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Carl Crawford is a bit player. A-Gon is a guy who will be good for a long time. Youkilis is injury prone and moving to a harder defensive position. Pedroia is a good second baseman.
They’re weak up the middle.
Swish has a team option for 2012.
Texas is busy looking under the cushions for loose change to make a deal. They can’t afford to miss on this one. They can’t take the financial hit if Lee were to go belly up.
The Angles are the most overhyped joke every year. The always have all this cash to spend. Going to get all these players. Since when? Vlade years ago. They overpaid for a nonsuperstar in Hunter. When have they ever really been big players or anyone to take seriously?
Unless he’s being coy, Nolan Ryan doesn’t sound encouraged about getting Lee. Not about to go 7 years and probably not the money either.
“Don’t forget the other guy.
If he gets his game together like he can (Hello? McFly? ), then there’s gold in them there hills.
Damage Inc. ©”
You’re right and I should have put him in there because I do believe he can get his game together. I guess I left him out so that the skitterish wouldn’t automatically dismiss the idea out of hand.
CC, Lee, Andy, Hughes, AJ back on his game.
LETHAL
Calling Crawford a bit player – surreal.
Okay, for real walk time. For me AND Lee!!!
Later y’all.
Yankees have Gardner in LF, Gradnerson (2 years left in CF) and Swisher ( a free agent after this year)
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Granderson is on the team for 3 more years, and Swisher for 2. Gardner for 4-5.
SI_JonHeyman got to give it to angels gm tony reagins. looks/sounds composed for man whose winter was turned upside down in last few hours
They are all bit players. 1/25 if i remember correctly.
I’m going to get screamed at for saying this, but, I’ve always thought of Crawford as being a very good complimentary player and not the superstar he’s portrayed as.
By the way is anyone concerned that once Jorge Posada gets one of his old man injuries (and you know he will) and is out for a month that there is no one to DH on a regular basis. So that means they’ll be playing cervelli ALOT once again to give an unproven rookie more time at DH (if montero even makes it out of ST). Wouldn’t getting Damon or Thome or Guerrero, heck even Matsui on the team for instances like this a good idea?
“Nolan Ryan scheduled to meet with Lee toda, ”
Didn’t sound like he was going to be bringing a bigger checkbook with him though. Lots of talk about not damaging the long term goals of the franchise for instant gratification.
How is posada going to hurt himself as a DH? he’s been catching for like 17 or 18 years… playing DH is gonna be like a pillow fight for him. He could be a monster.
“I’m going to get screamed at for saying this, but, I’ve always thought of Crawford as being a very good complimentary player and not the superstar he’s portrayed as.”
THAT’S WHAT HE IS!
Calling Crawford a bit player – surreal.
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Thats what he is. A left fielder who puts up around an .800 OPS yearly, who may have just had his best season and just signed a 7 year deal for elite player money.
The Rangers should worry less about Lee and more about solidifying contracts to their players coming do and spreading the cash around a bit. Then trade a few prospects and try to get Garza, Grienke or someone along those lines and extend them. That’s a longer term solution. Lee gives them a chance to win next year if they can repeat what they did last year. But they may not. And they don’t need Lee to win that division.
Angels will be all over on Beltre and Soriano. Not bad consolation prizes.
2012 : Bautista, Willingham, Juan Rivera, Beltran, Crisp, Dejusus, Sizemore (club option so maybe 2013) Abreu, Cuddyer, Drew, Swisher, Kubel, Ross
– With this group of outfield free agents . . The Yankees will almost have to make a trade for an outfielder , or resign Swisher ??
i can see a trade happening .
“Nolan Ryan scheduled to meet with Lee toda, ”
Didn’t sound like he was going to be bringing a bigger checkbook with him though. Lots of talk about not damaging the long term goals of the franchise for instant gratification.
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Ryan: NY sucks.
Lee: Yeah, I know.
Ryan: So you’ ll take less to sign with us?
Lee: No.
Bos had a very unhealthy team last year, with their health back adding these two players so far and a bounce back year by Paps this team will be tough to beat in 11. Yankees will need to add two SP, a lock down 8th inning guy and utility guy that can hit, that happens they will be OK
Jerkface – That’s the part I still don’t get. How did he get elite player money when he has only performed as such once… it’s insane to expect him to outperform his career norms during his second 7 years in the league.
It’s gonna be funny to watch Boston media/fans freak out over the contract in a few years.
I’m concerned about what Ryan’s “pitch” to Lee will be. Nolan is an aggressive personality. Nolan is a HOF pitcher with a pitching philosophy for that franchise (whether one agrees with it or not). Nolan must also have a bit of Texas “charm.”
Nolan Ryan is what Texas has that the Yankees don’t.
Wouldn’t getting Damon or Thome or Guerrero, heck even Matsui on the team for instances like this a good idea?
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dont think these guys would want regular playing time?
I expect the Rangers to try & sign Soriano as a closer & move their closer to the rotaion.
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Not only looking for loose change, but, pissing off their 3B, who now knows they want to get rid of him. If they don’t trade Young, he’ll be the guy with the huge attitude in the dugout.
I’m sure if one of those old guys wants to take half what they earned last year to sit on the yankee’s bench, that option will be explored. old players are generally too proud to do that though, and will go where the playing time is.
GB-
Not exactly the prom queen.
Maybe the girl who gets the bouquet ?
# Cashman needs to go December 9th, 2010 at 9:59 am
By the way is anyone concerned that once Jorge Posada gets one of his old man injuries (and you know he will) and is out for a month that there is no one to DH on a regular basis. So that means they’ll be playing cervelli ALOT once again to give an unproven rookie more time at DH (if montero even makes it out of ST). Wouldn’t getting Damon or Thome or Guerrero, heck even Matsui on the team for instances like this a good idea?
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Excellent!
Doreen -
What we have that Ryan and Texas does not have – $$$$$$$$$$$
jerface:
You are right, I feel much better.
Both have options and I believe club options
Swisher 2012 $10.25 and Granderson $13 million
Given these two big deals, those contract options look like steals.
Bos had a very unhealthy team last year, with their health back adding these two players so far and a bounce back year by Paps this team will be tough to beat in 11
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A lot of assumptions here.
Will everyone come back and stay healthy, while playing as good as they have?
I dont think Paps will bounce back. People are on to him.
And i think Lackey and Beckett will be better but not shut down, and Dice K is what he is.
Yes they have the potential to be fantastic, but they have to put it all together.
We know that the best players and best lineups dont always mean championships.
Face, also, a lot of Crawfords so called value is based on his glove. Unless he learns how to fly playing half his games in the Fens is going to suppress his only true elite skill.
Cashman needs to go December 9th, 2010 at 9:59 am
By the way is anyone concerned that once Jorge Posada gets one of his old man injuries (and you know he will) and is out for a month that there is no one to DH on a regular basis.
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He’s not exactly Nick Johnson
MTU, they do fill the Angels’ two biggest holes, though. Makes ‘em prom queens to me.
Ryan: NY sucks.
Lee: Yeah, I know.
Ryan: So you? ll take less to sign with us?
Lee: No.
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Or Ryan: NY sucks.
Lee: Wanta see my deer hunt pictures?
Ryan: So you’ll take less to sign with us?
Lee: Here’s the pictures!
Posada will complain and will be the Opening Day catcher and for as long as he can go. He hates to DH and would rather go out in flames then sit on the bench and DH.
Doreen December 9th, 2010 at 10:03 am
I’m concerned about what Ryan’s “pitch” to Lee will be. Nolan is an aggressive personality. Nolan is a HOF pitcher with a pitching philosophy for that franchise (whether one agrees with it or not). Nolan must also have a bit of Texas “charm.”
Nolan Ryan is what Texas has that the Yankees don’t.
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Nolan has a lot of Texas charm. I had the great fortune to spend a couple of days with him on a project years ago and he has all that in spades and then some.
Ryan’s going to be in full pathos mode today at the Lee’s.
Carl Crawford is a ‘bit player.’ LOL. You guys just amaze me sometimes.
I’m going to get screamed at for saying this, but, I’ve always thought of Crawford as being a very good complimentary player and not the superstar he’s portrayed as.
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In pinstripes, he’d be a superstar. In Boston, he’s an aging speedster.
I think Cash will come out and say they had Lee budgeted for 7 the whole time and that was their ace in the hole. It was a nice chess match. He bluffed on Crawford and the Sox bit beating the next highest offer by 30+ mil. Of course, by doing that he put himself in the position to have to pull that ace out.
So now Lee will basically get the Sabathia contract but I’ll guess the 7th year will only be an additional 10 mil or so as it seemed it was going to take close to 6/150 anyway.
Getting Crawford doesn’t make their pitching any better.
Beckett and Lackey are shot.
Stop being delusional…
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I know the talk is Lee will go where the most money is. I’m not certain, if it’s close enough, that he will.
And I’m not comfortable with Lee’s other half’s say in this. (Ruth Ryan hated NY years ago; Ryan himself did not like NY particularly. This is also something that concerns me about Ryan having Lee’s ear.)
The two guys Boston has signed the longest both have very significant platoon splits.
Crawford vs lefties: .270 .315 .382 .697
Gonzalez vs lefties: .262 .338 .445 .783
Cano has no such problem, Tex has no such problem, swisher has no such problem.
Maybe some day some fans will realize that analyzing metrics, stats, etc. is far from the best way to evaluate a player. I don’t care what Crawford’s average OPS is. He’s an elite player and one of the best in the game. Any fan with eyes who has watched him can see that.
Obviously, professional baseball executives see it that way too.
GB-
OK. But I thought they were going to make an even bigger splash.
Greinke ?
Carl Crawford is a ‘bit player.’ LOL. You guys just amaze me sometimes.
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Care to share? Tell me all about the things that Crawford doesn exceptionally well other than defense and steals. Middling on base percentage, no real power. Had 25 infield hits in 2010. So a .265 hitter on balls he doesn’t beat out of the infield.
Doreen, actually what Ruth Ryan hated in NY was Nancy Seaver.
Doreen-
Most guys will not leave 10-20 million dollars on the table.
That buys a lot of deer hunting permits.
Maybe some day some fans will realize that analyzing metrics, stats, etc. is far from the best way to evaluate a player.
This is the dumbest thing i’ve ever read.
Cash should jump into the relief market because that is the major weakness of the rs.
That is where the solution lies.
GB7 -
I think it was both.
New Post: Back to New York
A) We need to sign Cliff Lee B) Trade Montero, Brackman, Laird, Eduardo Nunez and Phelps for Greinke C) Sign Russell Martin to hold down the catching fort until Gary Sanchez is ready D) Trade Swisher for one top flight Prospect and then flip that prospect along with Romine, Nova, Heathcott and JR Muprhy for Justin Upton.
Rotation: CC, Greinke, Lee, Hughes, Burnett
Lineup: Gardner, Jeter, Cano, AROD, Tex, Upton, Posada, Granderson and Russell Martin.
Irreverent Discourse December 9th, 2010 at 10:00 am
How is posada going to hurt himself as a DH? he’s been catching for like 17 or 18 years… playing DH is gonna be like a pillow fight for him. He could be a monster.
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If we’ve learned anything from Nick Johnson Tour #2 is that being an exclusive DH does not keep you from getting injured. Didn’t Posada strain a groin or hamstring running to 1st base on a wet field 2 years ago? He’s like 50 years old (adding in the 17 years of catching) and has been prone to freaky injuries the last few years – I think bringing in a Thome (who sat most of the first half of the season when Morneau was playing) or even a Damon (who can play LF when you want to give Gardner or granderson or even swisher a day off) is better than giving that bench seat to a rookie who will wet the bed if given alot of playing time – and you know someone will get hurt – all 3 outfielders last year spent alot of time either on the DL or having to sit out with nagging injuries – I for one do not want to see kevin russo (and all of his 3 games in the outfield) or deer in the headlights colin curtis as the 4th outfielder this year..
Bottom line is we would all love to place Crawford in LF and Gradner as the 4th OF this year. Crawford would slot amazingly well in the Yankees lineup in the two hole and as a psuedo leadoff hitter with an aging Jeter who creates nothing on the basepaths anymore. I think the underlying here is the Yankees need to address that at some point. Damon was such a nice addition at the time. Guys that hit 300 and steal 50 bases are a limited group. Let’s not undersell how good he is. I won’t hand the Sox the division or anything with the signing but they are clearly better and their core guys are now in their prime years where we have four guys leaving their prime years or headed to the end of the careers in Arod, Jeter and Posada. Would I take Cano and Tex over A Gone and Crawford sure. But Sox now have Pedroia, Youk, Crawford and A Gone all 30 and under, actually Youk may be 31.
I hope and pray that Jesus is every bit the hitter he is cracked up to be because if he is he will pick up the slack maybe not this year, but as Arod declines he can start picking up some numbers.
OK Cash. Time for the kill shot. Lee should understand what that is !
Up the offer to 7 and set a time limit on it it !
That’s right empty the entire farm system for two guys and have no flexability.
Bring in the pitcher with anxiety issues that missed a full year and plug him in Yankees stadium under the lights which have broken many a asuposed good pitcher.
And then bring in Upton who has amazing talent, but needs to follow through with it and just like Cano did for a while, may takes years of maturity to truly make a massive impact.
Jerkface December 9th, 2010 at 10:10 am
The two guys Boston has signed the longest both have very significant platoon splits.
Crawford vs lefties: .270 .315 .382 .697
Gonzalez vs lefties: .262 .338 .445 .783
Cano has no such problem, Tex has no such problem, swisher has no such problem.
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Take a look at AROD’s and Granderson’s lefty splits…
Doreen -
We’re not trying to sign Ryan, and anything he says negative about NY will be seen as his trying to win Lee over to stay in Texas.
Lee has 2 good friends on the Yankees, CC & AJ, they can tell him how great it isto be a Yankee.
Lee will decide before the weekend is finished. Cashman needs to bring a bullpen LH back to the Bronx or the meetings have little to show for a 4-day trip to Orlando. The Jeter / Rivera signings were givens.
Too many forget that there’s a 7/31 trading deadline and if need be, there’s a stable of arms plus Romine if for an example a Shin Soo Chin or another starter are needed for the pennant push.
It’s been stated Lee will sign for the most money. He’s older, never gotten the big money deal, this is his one contract to get paid, he will go for every dollar of it. That should not be shocking. He has a decent shot to win in a few of his options, more of a chance to win every year here. All else equal he will be in NY, but if the Yankees are outbid they lose him. That’s pretty much the bottom line. If he signs we will all hear about loving the winning tradition, his friends here etc, but the money will be the ultimate decision maker. Needing to wait for him though is now becoming a problem for the Yankees offseason plans.