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The number seven

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 09, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This craziness started on Sunday night when Jayson Werth got a seven-year deal with the Nationals. The market for premier free agents was set, and the top two were still on the board.

Carl Crawford and Cliff Lee were inevitably going to take Werth’s deal to the bank. Late last night, Crawford cashed in on the largest contract ever given to an outfielder. This morning, we learned that the Yankees were willing to go seven years for Lee. It’s entirely possible they were always willing to go seven.

Joel Sherman reports that Brian Cashman has actually presented Lee with a series of options ranging from five years to seven, with the average annual value getting smaller as the years grow longer.

Are they on the verge of overpaying? Maybe, but this is the market. Lee is a pitcher and thus carries more risk than a couple of corner outfielders, but he’s also the undisputed king of this winter’s bidding. The Angels have money to spend. The Rangers are still making a push. At various times the Phillies and suddenly free-spending Nationals have been mentioned as dark horse candidates.

The Yankees have a glaring need in the rotation, the market doesn’t offer an obvious alternative and every long-term, high-dollar deal involves considerable risk. The Yankees are going to take that risk with Lee.

“Our desire is the same today as it was prior to that (Crawford) signing,” Cashman said this morning. “I don’t think you can increase it any more. We have a significant interest in Cliff Lee, and we’ve communicated that.”

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516 Responses to “The number seven”

  1. Mike in Chicago December 9th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Hopefully it doesn’t go to number nine…number nine…number nine…

  2. Angelo Silecchio December 9th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    We have the damn Nationals to thank for all of this! It seemed like over the past two offseasons players were losing some leverage in these negotiations. In one dumb move the tide turned back. I understand they feel they needed to overpay to get some one, but there is overpaying and then there is doubling the next offer.

    http://sportsthunderdome.blogspot.com/

  3. Melk Man December 9th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Braunecker’s next step – portray it like Lee might be willing to take less to go to Texas, in order to get the Yanks to offer even more.

  4. rodg12 December 9th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    # GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Gonzalez: No Agreement In Place With Red Sox
    By Nick Collias [December 9 at 12:18pm CST]
    Adrian Gonzalez hasn’t agreed to anything more than a trade. In a phone interview with the Mexican blog Puro Beisbol (link in Spanish), the normally tight-lipped first baseman denied reports from Sports Illustrated, USA Today and other sources that he and the Red Sox have tentatively agreed to an extension that won’t be announced until April in order for the team to avoid luxury tax.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ed-to.html
    ————————————————————-
    Interesting tidbit here. Makes total sense. Why would he settle for only 12 mill more than what Crawford got? Honestly, he shouldn’t settle for anything less than what Tex got.

  5. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    21 of 107 or 20% of Carl Crawford’s stolen bases the past 2 years have come against the Red Sox.

  6. JohnnyK December 9th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Manny for 8/160 was the largest contract ever given to an outfielder (even though the last 21 years were option years; or was it just the last one?). If you take AAV, Manny’s 2/45 from the Dodgers probably wins.

  7. JohnnyK December 9th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Make the 2 years, not 21 :)

  8. YankeesGirly December 9th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    interesting move of as years go longer the deal gets smaller of amount, i like it. agreed by friday i hope!!

  9. Robin December 9th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Boston: The little engine who bought the title.

    So because they went 86 years without winning a title, will they always be immune from criticism?

  10. Joe from Long Island December 9th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    LGY – Maybe Varitek will want to renegotiate his contract, on the grounds that his numbers throwing out baserunners won’t be as bad.

  11. UnKnown December 9th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    I think the options are pretty simply. Option 1) Over pay for Cliff Lee or at least pay him what it seems the market is dictating. – Option 2) Don’t get Lee and trade a large amount of prospects for some players that will upgrade the team for 2011. – Option 3) Realize that 2011 is not the Yankees year and just eat it.

    Option 3 is not on Cashman’s radar so what do you want whats behind door number 1 or 2. I will take 1.

  12. 108 stitches December 9th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    The rules of Boston :

    - Overhype

    - Be giddy and silly

    - Delusional thinking trumps knowing you’ll always be little brother baseball.

    - Hate anything New York never knowing why.

    - Say “Yankees suck” at other sporting events.

  13. Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    You shut up Carl, there……..and I didn’t say please.

  14. Yank 97 December 9th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Believe it or not, the only non-doom and gloom article this morning came from Wally Matthews:

    Crawford is a run-creator, no doubt. But he will be 30 in August and for a player whose game relies so much upon speed, that is perilously close to where the production may start to fall off.

    The Yankees won 95 games with that outfield last year and a pitching staff that was basically Sabathia and pray for a blizzard. They can win that many with the same outfield in 2011.

    And yet, they needed to win at least two more. Carl Crawford would not necessarily get them those wins. Cliff Lee will.

    Losing Crawford to the Red Sox is a loss the Yankees can live with.

    Losing Lee to anyone may not be.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=5902786

  15. kd December 9th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    if the mlbtraderumors article is correct, then the red sox are in trouble. they gave away a fair bit of ‘future hall of fame prospects’ to get agon. if he turns around and says, look i need an 8 year deal, what are the rs going to say?

    they might have to do it

  16. Mell December 9th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    I’d think at Lee’s age, he’d prefer the 7 year option.

  17. Joe from Long Island December 9th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Just thinking….I wonder if Cash has two deals set up, waiting to know which to activate, pending Lee’s decision.

    One, if Cash needs to get a pitcher. The other, send those same players as part of a different deal for a hitter.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if, soon after Lee makes his call, that Yanks announce a trade.

  18. Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Cut the crap, SJ – you don’t run this place. You want everyone to agree with you and when they don’t, you get your back up and you start hurling darts. Well I don’t really care what you think about my comments, hypocrite. I can recall you complaining about the lack of decorum and civil conversation on this board and then you are the first one to open his mouth. Big deal, so you think Lee is coming here – that does not make you better than anyone else.

  19. G-C December 9th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    In the end, if the Yankees acquire Lee (and I strongly believe they will), it will at a cost that Hal Steinbrenner deems reasonable. If 7 years and 170 million doesn’t matter to Hal Steinbrenner, why should it matter to us? This is a business conscious organization now, not one that makes impulsive decisions without considering future implications. Any deal for Lee will take into account how that long term deal will play into the Yankees future financial flexibility. And the truth is, the only ones who know how flexible the Yankees payroll will be over the next decade are the people intimately involved in these talks. I don’t think any of us are.

    The Yankees don’t “need” Cliff Lee and they ESPECIALLY don’t “need” him to make some kind of a back-page splash that counters what Boston is doing. Boston has gotten better this offseason, but they also lost two of their three best players from last season. If they had added Crawford and Gonzalez to the fold AND managed to retain those guys, I’d be a bit concerned. But really, they aren’t much better than they were this time last year right now.

  20. Joe from Long Island December 9th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Yanks 97 – That’s actually an interesting thought. Bet that’s just how Cash looks at it, too.

  21. Pat M. December 9th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Joe from Long Island…….Being humor to a very tense LoHud…..

  22. Carl December 9th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    # Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    You shut up Carl, there……..and I didn’t say please.

    lol

  23. RMS December 9th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Betsy has the right to say whatever she wants. Stop picking on the lady.

  24. Yank 97 December 9th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    “Braunecker’s next step – portray it like Lee might be willing to take less to go to Texas, in order to get the Yanks to offer even more.”

    With this “meeting” set up with the Rangers, his agent is probably in formative stages of doing just that.

    Rangers have met the guy 3 times already and are probably just offering the same recycled pitch about lifestyle and no tax. You would think his agent would tell the Rangers if they are not going to offer a compelling-enough bid, to not waste their time with small talk.

    I bet we’ll get stories soon that he is “considering” taking less from them and such, to see if Cash reacts.

  25. Mike Ri December 9th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    IF you look at the Outfield Freeagents next season.. The Yankees will almost have to make a trade for an outfielder ..or they can re-sign Swisher.. But we have to take care of Lee first

  26. Joe from Long Island December 9th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Pat M. – I’m no Nick from SF, but I try.

  27. mick December 9th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    The Yankees don’t “need” Cliff Lee and they ESPECIALLY don’t “need” him to make some kind of a back-page splash that counters what Boston is doing. Boston has gotten better this offseason, but they also lost two of their three best players from last season. If they had added Crawford and Gonzalez to the fold AND managed to retain those guys, I’d be a bit concerned. But really, they aren’t much better than they were this time last year right now.
    ============================================
    Really? The Yanks don’t need Lee? No comment needed.
    They aren’t better than last year? Youk and Pedroia didn’t play last year. Enough said.

  28. Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    RMS, thanks, but it’s not necessary. I refuse to be bullied here.

  29. Carl December 9th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    THE YANKEES CAVED!

    I AGREE WITH WFAN!

    - Betsy

  30. RMS December 9th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Yankees do need Lee. He is a top pitcher.

    As far as Greinke is concerned. He cannot pitch in NY, too much pressure that he cannot take.

  31. raymagnetic December 9th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Once the Yankees sign Lee and when the WS Betsy will cave and say the Yankees made the right choice.

  32. Mike Peeps December 9th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    7 Years for a guy turning 33 next year brings up some red flags. If 6 and 140 doesn’t get it done looking at other options doesnt seem so crazy.

  33. Phranchise December 9th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    I made the same mistake. Swisher has a 10.5 mill option next year and grandy an extra the year after at 14.5

    Those were expensive at some point, look like steals now.

  34. rodg12 December 9th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    # Mike Ri December 9th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    IF you look at the Outfield Freeagents next season.. The Yankees will almost have to make a trade for an outfielder ..or they can re-sign Swisher.. But we have to take care of Lee first
    ———————————————-
    The Yanks have a club option on Swisher for $10.25 mill that they will almost assuredly activate.

  35. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Betsy and I often disagree on baseball issues but she is as passionate a Yankee fan as I have seen here who obviously loves the team. If anyone doesn’t care for her opinions tough, she has every right to express them.

  36. kd December 9th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    wow, it just got real ‘fun’ in here.

    folks, crawford doesn’t guarantee a championship.

  37. Phranchise December 9th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    When a reporter asked if the Angels might have a “huge splash” in store soon, Reagins pointed to the team’s recent acquisition of Hisanori Takahashi — who posted a 10-6 record with a 3.61 ERA for the Mets last season.

    “I think I already made a huge splash with Takahashi,” Reagins said. “Some people don’t think that. But he adds a lot of value to our club.”

    Angels are just not players in free agency, that’s pathetic.

  38. Carl December 9th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Betsy and I often disagree on baseball issues but she is as passionate a Yankee fan as I have seen here who obviously loves the team. If anyone doesn’t care for her opinions tough, she has every right to express them.

    She should keep them on nyyfans. Don’t bring them here.

  39. Don Vito A. Bellamo December 9th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    New York Yankees Grab Cliff Lee From Texas Rangers For $168 Million And Seven Years !!!
    .
    http://www.realestateradiousa......h-yankees/
    .
    Sah-WEEEEEEEEEEEEEET !
    .
    :-)

  40. RMS December 9th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    “They aren’t better than last year? Youk and Pedroia didn’t play last year. Enough said.”

    You are right.

    —————————————

    Pitching is the key. Yanks need Lee.

  41. Erica in NY December 9th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Speaking of Caves…..

    Check out this snow cave someone made with all of the lake effect snow in the North

    http://www.weather.com/outlook.....08?page=11

  42. Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    WC, thanks. Apparently, I don’t have the right – oh well, lol.

  43. Pat M. December 9th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Betsy and her ” Paint it Black ” theme for the 2010 hot stove season is a memorable one so far……..Betsy, as a Yankee fan, you better start thinking positively about one Clifford Lee coming to The Bronx……

  44. ac1 December 9th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    where did that report come from?

  45. Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Carl, you don’t own this blog. I don’t care if you like my opinions or not. If you don’t have the self-control to ignore me, that’s your problem. I’ll post here if I want to……you’re free to leave, though.

  46. SJ44 December 9th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Easy Betsy.

    I don’t want to crush you today.

    Take a deep breath, and take one day where you aren’t in full doom and gloom mode.

    Sometimes, it’s best to go the wait and see mode instead of seeing dark clouds everywhere.

  47. Tom in N.J. December 9th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    I refuse to read/listen/take seriously the opinions of ‘mediots’ who have a negative opinion of the Yankees. Even though I share those views!

  48. RMS December 9th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    “She should keep them on nyyfans. Don’t bring them here.”

    Maybe someone should tell you where to post.

  49. mick December 9th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Betsy and her ” Paint it Black ” theme for the 2010 hot stove
    ========================================
    Pat M

    It’s more like “Shattered.”

  50. Bob December 9th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Lupica is worried about Yankees’ money and budget again. Yet another article about yankees spending. He should write about what teams do or NOT DO with the revenue sharing money they receive.

  51. start_wearing_pink December 9th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    @SJ44

    You were in full doom and gloom mode everyday during the final month of the season. Full “manager” doom and gloom mode.

    Betsy does not have to take your crap. As she so eloquently put it, you are a hypocrite.

  52. Mell December 9th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    “The Yankees won 95 games with that outfield last year and a pitching staff that was basically Sabathia and pray for a blizzard”

    I know Hughes wasn’t exactly Gibson the last 3-4 months of the season, but this remark kinda pisses on what was a pretty strong campaign for him.

  53. Mike Ri December 9th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    i don’t see it .

  54. Crawdaddy December 9th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Can we stop making Betsy the main topic of discussion here today?

    Let’s focus on talking about Cliff Lee instead.

  55. blake December 9th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Wonder if the 7/168 report is accurate.

  56. Betsy December 9th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    SJ, I’m fine – I don’t get crushed easily; don’t hold back – let me have it.

  57. pat December 9th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Good rule of thumb….

    If everyone knows what you are going to type before you type it, your opinion has been heard, noted and you have earned the right to gloat about it if you are proven right so there is no need to type it again.

  58. Don Vito A. Bellamo December 9th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    REPOST:
    .
    New York Yankees Grab Cliff Lee From Texas Rangers For $168 Million And Seven Years !!!
    .
    http://www.realestateradiousa……h-yankees/
    .
    Done Deal !!!

  59. Mike Ri December 9th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Don. how reliable is that site ?? lol

  60. JEKIKASO December 9th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Erica in NY December 9th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
    Speaking of Caves…..

    Check out this snow cave someone made with all of the lake effect snow in the North

    http://www.weather.com/outlook…..08?page=11
    ***************

    Boston’s new HQ. to save some money for these contracts? :-D

  61. mick December 9th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    some people just enjoy pain…

  62. Don Vito A. Bellamo December 9th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Sorry: http://www.realestateradiousa......h-yankees/ is the first of many reports on this….CLIFF LEE to Yankees BLOWS AWAY Crawford to BoSux, ALL !!!

  63. Erica in NY December 9th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    pat December 9th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
    Good rule of thumb….

    If everyone knows what you are going to type before you type it, your opinion has been heard, noted and you have earned the right to gloat about it if you are proven right so there is no need to type it again.

    ***************

    Hmmmmm…. does that include me and obscure references to my love for Johnny Damon?

  64. ac1 December 9th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    if it was a done deal, the other reports would be lighting up and this hasnt showed up anywhere.

  65. Mell December 9th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    “Let’s focus on talking about Cliff Lee instead.”

    Do you think Cliff Lee would think Betsy is a little too doom and gloom?

  66. Erica in NY December 9th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Don Vito A. Bellamo December 9th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
    Sorry: http://www.realestateradiousa……h-yankees/ is the first of many reports on this….CLIFF LEE to Yankees BLOWS AWAY Crawford to BoSux, ALL !!!

    **************

    Is that a website of Bret the Hitman’s?

  67. Jerkface December 9th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    real estate radio USA? The Mark Feisands of internet real estate radio!

  68. RMS December 9th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Yankee rotation:

    CC
    Hughes
    Andy (if he doesn’t retire)
    AJ (God help us and him)

    This is why Lee has to be signed by the Yankees.

  69. Mike Ri December 9th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    LOL real estate radio ???

  70. JEKIKASO December 9th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Don Vito A. Bellamo December 9th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
    REPOST:
    .
    New York Yankees Grab Cliff Lee From Texas Rangers For $168 Million And Seven Years !!!
    .
    http://www.realestateradiousa&…..h-yankees/
    .
    Done Deal !!!
    ****************************

    can’t be true. Texas has not seceded from the union yet……

  71. mick December 9th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    No talk of the Crawford deal on Francesa, I just don’t get it.
    Way to underplay it, Mike.
    I guess he’s waiting for the Lee deal to pan out…

  72. MystiqueAura December 9th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Good to see SJ44 get his comeuppance. Dude is very smart and informed, but also arrogant and a bully. SJ44, when you get your own blog, I will read it, but dude get off the bully pulpit it got old a long time ago.

  73. Carl December 9th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    # mick December 9th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    No talk of the Crawford deal on Francesa, I just don’t get it.
    Way to underplay it, Mike.
    I guess he’s waiting for the Lee deal to pan out…

    Said the Sox got better, and that makes the Yankees go out and get better.

    Then he started ripping the Mets.

  74. CB December 9th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Until the Red Sox have Gonzalez’s contract done it’s not done. There is no binding commitment between the parties.

    Gonzalez has all of the leverage and he would be silly not to use it – especially after these contracts have exploded again this winter.

    I don’t see why Gonzalez – who usually doesn’t say much would go to that length to insist that there is no agreement with the Sox. If he did have a gentleman’s agreement in place there’s really no need for him to get into this level of detail in the denial.

  75. mick December 9th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    you have earned the right to gloat about it
    ==============================
    too much of that here…who cares who was right or wrong?….where are the stats anyway, can we start that, who would be in 1st place?

  76. pat December 9th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Erica

    Welcome back. I’ve seen Muppets walking all over NYC for the past 2 months and I’ve had no one to report it to. Any idea why they’ve been there?

    All Johnny Damon references are non-controversial and amusing and therefore should be grandfathered.

  77. mick December 9th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Said the Sox got better, and that makes the Yankees go out and get better.
    ====================
    Like I said, he underplayed it….waiting for the other shoe to drop…the show must go on.

  78. MoRings42 December 9th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Why 7? Why throw out a number that someone can match.. Why not 8 or 7 and a team option or 2? If you’re willing to go 7 for a starter.. 8 isn’t much of difference. Either way that’s a contract I’d rather not do BUT this team is done if we don’t get another starter.

  79. ac1 December 9th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    AndrewMarchand If you look at it objectively, I don’t see how you can argue that point. The Red Sox added the best two offensive players on the market.
    ___

    While giving up Beltre and Martinez. Conveniently forget that they dropped two players too.

  80. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Francesa loves football way more than baseball.

  81. SJ44 December 9th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Oh please, what “comeuppance”? lol

    If Betsy wants to post her 100 doom and gloom posts a day, so be it.

    However, when folks challenge her on them, don’t get upset. That’s the way it’s going to be.

    Now back to your regularly scheduled whinefest.

  82. start_wearing_pink December 9th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    one reason Gonzo could have come out with a denial is so that people dont think he and the team are avoiding the luxury tax.

    hope Adrian gets a lot more money than Crawford; he’s certainly deserving of it.

  83. MystiqueAura December 9th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Great comeback SJ44.

  84. Bronx Jeers December 9th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    I don’t know if it’s the beard, the lighting or the expression on his face but from the look of this photo I might conclude that Joba hasn’t exactly spent the last two months at the gym.

    http://yfrog.com/h48ukj

    Anyway he’s on vacation with his “little man”. I’m sure he’s a good father. I guess in the grand scheme of things that’s far more important than being a good pitcher.

  85. mick December 9th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Cash is chomping at the bit to get Lee. He has done it before with Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown. Imagine the creativity needed if this deal falls through?
    Andy will be overpaid or god forbid he retires.
    Forget our prospects , they will be gone.
    Lee knows this. Arkansas people are not stupid.

  86. Squeakz December 9th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    IF the Yankees end up losing Lee, this blog’s comments moderator better gets ready to put some O.T. or they may end up having to hire someone, this blog will explode and it won’t be funny lol

  87. Jerkface December 9th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Betsy pushes an agenda where Lee has to sign for way under market to prove he ‘wants NY’. Her agenda is that Cliff Lee loves Texas, and thus all of her opinions are tinged by that side of it. Its her opinion, but she sometimes states it like a fact. Thats the issue. She just winds herself up on something.

  88. ac1 December 9th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Merchand is really annoying. The only people how feel the need to compete in december are sox and their fans.

    And the idea that they are 100% better now is just inaccurate. Each player will marginally be better than the one they replaced, save for more SBs from Crawford, but his OF range will now be irrelevant in front of the tee ball field that is left field at fenway.

  89. Carl December 9th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Bronx Jeers

    Joba looks fat

  90. Erica in NY December 9th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    pat December 9th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    Erica

    Welcome back. I’ve seen Muppets walking all over NYC for the past 2 months and I’ve had no one to report it to. Any idea why they’ve been there?

    All Johnny Damon references are non-controversial and amusing and therefore should be grandfathered.

    ***************

    I much appreciate the exception to your “rule of thumb” consitution :-)

    Hmmmm… Muppet sightings in the city? I knew nothing about this. But… there is a date for the release of the new Jason Segal Muppet movie…. 11/23/11. Guess where I will be that day!!!

  91. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    It’s like watching “Ground Hog Day” every day. Only the actors change. 6 months of “Hughes is a disappointment” to ” The Yankees had better not cave on Jeter” to The Yankees had better not cave on Lee”. Fortunately, the word “cave wasn’t the “word of the day” through the Hughes-Gate episodes.

  92. ac1 December 9th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    It’s sad that people here have such a low opinion of our organization to think we are done without lee and crawford….

    Cashman knows how to handle these situations.

  93. bruceb December 9th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
    Francesa loves football way more than baseball.

    Now that the Sox have signed Gonzalez and Crawford, reckon I’m going to love football more than baseball in 2011. What have we done to boost out batting line up? Oh yes, spent (or should I say wasted) $51m on re-signing a .270 hitter. Sox will undoubtedly pay for giving Crawford seven years, just as we will for giving Alex 10 and DJ another three or four. But with Pedroia and Yuke the Puke coming back, their batting lineup looks ways stronger than the Yanks to me.

  94. Carl December 9th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    # GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    It’s like watching “Ground Hog Day” every day. Only the actors change. 6 months of “Hughes is a disappointment” to ” The Yankees had better not cave on Jeter” to The Yankees had better not cave on Lee”. Fortunately, the word “cave wasn’t the “word of the day” through the Hughes-Gate episodes.

    This.

  95. joeman December 9th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    mick December 9th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
    No talk of the Crawford deal on Francesa, I just don’t get it.
    Way to underplay it, Mike.
    I guess he’s waiting for the Lee deal to pan out…

    ———————-
    he did say the Crawford signing forced the Yankees to offer the 7…

  96. rodg12 December 9th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Really, more Betsy doom and gloom? More statements of her opinions as unalienable facts? SHOCKING!!!

  97. MoRings42 December 9th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    If this deal falls through and Andy retires.. they’re done. It’s going to be another Sydney Ponson type year mixed with the future Starter IPK/Joba/Hughes nonsense with Ivan Nova.

    That’ll be our rotation..

    CC
    AJ
    Hughes
    Some bum that gives them innings
    Ivan Nova

    We might make the playoffs but since CC can’t pitch every game, we’ll end up losing in the first round.

  98. Mell December 9th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    “Joba looks fat”

    Camera adds 10 pounds.

  99. Mike Ri December 9th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    bruceb-

    We haven’t made a move yet ? Give it some time

  100. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    The most encouraging thing I’ve read today:

    “I think if they come back with a proposal of what it’s going to take for him to come over, we’re going to have to sit down and look at it and talk about it,” Ryan had said. “I think that’s where we are, waiting to hear back from them.

    “We’ve asked them to give us a number for Cliff Lee to come to the Rangers, what it will take.”

    Braunecker said Thursday that he didn’t appreciate that approach.

    “We have no interest in participating in the unconventional negotiating style the club has requested,” Braunecker told ESPN.com. “For the player to submit an offer to the club … that’s not the way the process works.”

  101. Carl December 9th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    # Mell December 9th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    “Joba looks fat”

    Camera adds 10 pounds.

    I hope so.

  102. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    start_wearing_pink December 9th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
    one reason Gonzo could have come out with a denial is so that people dont think he and the team are avoiding the luxury tax.

    hope Adrian gets a lot more money than Crawford; he’s certainly deserving of it.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    What “he”? Gonzalez won’t be involved/penalized for anything. That has to do with only Boston bookkeepers. I doubt that he cares about the Sox office issues as long as the checks don’t bounce.

  103. Jerkface December 9th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Here is how the Cliff Lee thing is going:

    - Cliff Lee is a bargain at 5 years, should sign for 6 years
    - Yankees know they can offer 6+, but want to hard line on 6 years unless things change. Doing this means they can’t get into a fake bidding war and bid against themself
    - Rangers know they cannot really go past 5, hope things stay calm
    - All hell breaks loose, Jayson Werth gets 7 years. This puts everything else in danger based on what happens next
    - Cliff Lee is still in line to sign for 6 years.
    - CRAWFORD signs for 7 years, thus forcing any team bidding for Lee to consider 7 years
    - Yankees recognize this and offer 7 years
    - Rangers try to get Lee to give them a deal
    - Lee’s agent says, “Lee never loved you. do svidaniya!”
    - Yankees sign Cliff Lee for 7 years, the NEW GOING MARKET RATE FOR THE BEST PLAYER as established by crazy town Werth and Crawford signings.

    Nothing you can do about it. No one is caving. Its a changing market.

  104. vinny-b December 9th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    “lol @ Mike just ripping the Mets”
    ————————-

    Mike Silva (New York Baseball Digest) ripped Francessa good, last night. Well founded. If the world were a just place Mike Silva would be in Francessa’s position. And vice-versa. Silva is a very nice man and unlike Francessa, actually knowledgeable.

  105. Yank 97 December 9th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    SI_JonHeyman

    #rangers will enhance offer to cliff lee, as @Ken_Rosenthal reported. were at 5 yrs, now at least 6. 7 a stretch for them.

  106. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    I caved at lunch.

    The chocolate explosion cake was way too expensive but I got it anyway :(

    Damn you Whole Foods bakery lady! :mad:

  107. Carl December 9th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Cashman should have consulted Betsy first Jerkface.

  108. Lost December 9th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    All the personal attacks on people here lately really makes me want to move away from this blog. That’s one thing that shouldn’t be tolerated. It’s one thing to have passionate debating and even differences of opinions, but to directly insult people really shows the level of intellect and maturity of some of the posters here.

    Can we stop with the personal attacks?

  109. BIG AL December 9th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    bruceb December 9th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
    West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
    Francesa loves football way more than baseball.

    Now that the Sox have signed Gonzalez and Crawford, reckon I’m going to love football more than baseball in 2011. What have we done to boost out batting line up? Oh yes, spent (or should I say wasted) $51m on re-signing a .270 hitter. Sox will undoubtedly pay for giving Crawford seven years, just as we will for giving Alex 10 and DJ another three or four. But with Pedroia and Yuke the Puke coming back, their batting lineup looks ways stronger than the Yanks to me.

    **************************************************

    Here’s where you need to be posting, I’m sure you’ll feel much happier there, good luck.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....tra_bases/

  110. ac1 December 9th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Is Ken Rosenthal ever right about his reports?

  111. Mell December 9th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    “one reason Gonzo could have come out with a denial is so that people dont think he and the team are avoiding the luxury tax”

    Pretty sure that horse has left the barn.

  112. Howe Farr December 9th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    I cave when i read people i want to ignore on this blog, but like a trainwreck, i have to read what nonesense they are spewing.

    Note, I am not naming names.

  113. ac1 December 9th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    it is crazy how people here suddenly have an inferiority complex to the Red Sox.

  114. ac1 December 9th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    truth be told, i am already sick of hearing about cliff lee…..

  115. Erica in NY December 9th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    LGY December 9th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
    I caved at lunch.

    The chocolate explosion cake was way too expensive but I got it anyway

    Damn you Whole Foods bakery lady!

    ************

    I stopped at Whole Foods Tuesday after work for their macaroni & cheese (its my favorite mac & cheese EVER. Second is Trader Joe’s frozen diner mac & cheese, but I digress).

    I had to wait at the appetizing counter for 15 minutes because there were three people ahead of me all getting large containers of macaroni & cheese.

    But seeing that other people feel the same way about their mac & cheese lessened my guilt over eating it for dinner

  116. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    I caved on the Subway.

    I gave this guy who played a really great song on his saxaphone a dollar.

    Then the lady next to me gave some chump who couldn’t sing at all 2 dollars!

    I had to up my bid to the well deserving saxaphone player to 5 dollars :(

  117. Howe Farr December 9th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Lost and other,
    I agree, personal attacks are both silly and immature. But everyone is an adult here, if you offer your opinion, especially on the internet, you best be sure that people will respond and perhaps attack you.
    Its the internet and this is the comment section on a blog, also known as the underbelly of society, this isn’t sunday morning at church.
    What you are asking for is for the impossible.
    You go in here knowing that Betsy repeats the same 3 things over and over again and that SJ is a bully. I am ok with it and im sure 95% of the other people here are as well.
    No need to hope for better manners, not in the comment section at least.

  118. vinny-b December 9th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    BIG AL:

    please give my best wishes/respect to Aceves. He’s been one of my favorite yankees. And am not just sayin that. Very much hope he re-signs with the team

  119. start_wearing_pink December 9th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    @Lost

    the personal attacks have been going on forever. they will never stop.

  120. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Whole Foods deli is the bane of my existence. Smoked mozzarella pasta. My trusty waistline companion.

  121. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    While on Festivus we celebrates the Airing of the Grievances, on the last day of the winter meetings we here at lohud celebrate the Airing of our Caving.

  122. bruceb December 9th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    BIG AL December 9th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    bruceb December 9th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
    West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
    Francesa loves football way more than baseball.

    Now that the Sox have signed Gonzalez and Crawford, reckon I’m going to love football more than baseball in 2011. What have we done to boost out batting line up? Oh yes, spent (or should I say wasted) $51m on re-signing a .270 hitter. Sox will undoubtedly pay for giving Crawford seven years, just as we will for giving Alex 10 and DJ another three or four. But with Pedroia and Yuke the Puke coming back, their batting lineup looks ways stronger than the Yanks to me.

    **************************************************

    Here’s where you need to be posting, I’m sure you’ll feel much happier there, good luck.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b…..tra_bases/

    Thanks Big Al, you’re 100% right. I do need to start posting on another site. Not because of my honest opinions on baseball, but because of frickin idiots like you. Big Al = Small Willie.

  123. bruceb December 9th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    PS: That was MOST DEFINITELY a personal attack.

  124. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    While Brian Cashman was not available for comment, some of his representatives here at lohud have decided to speak for him.

    I caved on Derek Jeter and Cliff Lee :(

  125. Tom in N.J. December 9th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Allegory of the cave ?

  126. Shame Spencer December 9th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    # ac1 December 9th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    truth be told, i am already sick of hearing about cliff lee…..

    —————————–

    I think I started feeling that way last off season…

  127. MConti December 9th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    what should really happen is that the Tigers should engage Beltre to really screw over the Sox after they go and sign two Type A free agents (assuming their interest in Downs is legit)… that would be comical

    As far as Carl Crawford is concerned to paraphrase Senator Bentsen, “Carl Crawford, I knew Rickey Henderson, and you’re no Rickey Henderson.”

    Seriously people get off the ledge. Losing VMart and Beltre and adding Crawford and Gonzalez is about a wash. Not sure how Crawford’s D plays in LF at Fenway and it isn’t like he’s an OBP monster with power.

    Don’t get me wrong, Crawford is a very nice player but is he truly worth 40x more than Brett Garnder?

  128. vinny-b December 9th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    “As far as Carl Crawford is concerned to paraphrase Senator Bentsen, “Carl Crawford, I knew Rickey Henderson, and you’re no Rickey Henderson.””
    —————————————-

    thanks. You took my thunder :)

    I will add: Rickey Henderson is the greatest position player of my lifetime

  129. Erica in NY December 9th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
    Whole Foods deli is the bane of my existence. Smoked mozzarella pasta. My trusty waistline companion
    *****************

    Everything there looks amazing, but I must confess- I only ever get the macaroni & cheese.

    My love for that stuff cannot be described here in words.

    And it also horrifies me that I go to a store called “Whole Foods” because they have the best selection of Ben & Jerry’s and my favorite mac & cheese.

    (Side note- my all-time favorite Ben & Jerry’s flavor is the ever elusive “Chubby Hubby”. But its just about impossible to find unless you go to a place with a high stock in Ben & Jerry’s like Whole Foods or Fairway (and neither one had it on my last trip in). But its just as well because if you eat too much Chubby Hubby, you turn into a Chubby Hubby)

  130. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Whole Foods mac and cheese is bombtastic. Pretty sure I just made up that word.

  131. CB December 9th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    “Pretty sure that horse has left the barn.”

    Pretty much. The whole circumventing the luxury tax issue has been explicitly detailed in the boston media already. It’s not like it’s some secret – it’s just being framed as taking advantage of some kind of perceived loop hole.

    Gonzalez is a quiet guy. At best I’d expect him to just issue some kind of generic, quick response to the question that is essentially a vague no comment. But he seems fairly adamant in his comments about denying an agreement.

    It was just interesting to see. A functional no comment would seem like the much easier way of not calling attention to circumventing the luxury tax.

  132. Patrick December 9th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    ac1,

    You won’t be sick of it when he’s in pinstripes dominating the Red Sox next year :)

    I think we can all agree that signing a 32 year old pitcher to a 7 year deal is not necessarily a good idea. But Cashman is of the belief (and I agree with him) that if the Yankees want to put themselves in the best spot possible to win a world series over the next several years, they need Cliff Lee. If they fail to get Lee and Pettitte retires the Yankees become a team struggling to get into the playoffs. With Lee I think we are the world series favorites.

  133. Tom in N.J. December 9th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Ben & Jerry’s Peanut Butter Cup FTW!

  134. Erica in NY December 9th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    LGY December 9th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
    Whole Foods mac and cheese is bombtastic. Pretty sure I just made up that word.

    ***************

    I agree 100%

  135. Erica in NY December 9th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Tom in N.J. December 9th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
    Ben & Jerry’s Peanut Butter Cup FTW!

    **********

    Have you ever had Chubby Hubby?

  136. start_wearing_pink December 9th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    “Gonzalez is a quiet guy. At best I’d expect him to just issue some kind of generic, quick response to the question that is essentially a vague no comment. But he seems fairly adamant in his comments about denying an agreement.”

    Unfounded…

  137. 108 stitches December 9th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    CB December 9th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    Until the Red Sox have Gonzalez’s contract done it’s not done. There is no binding commitment between the parties.

    Gonzalez has all of the leverage and he would be silly not to use it – especially after these contracts have exploded again this winter.

    I don’t see why Gonzalez – who usually doesn’t say much would go to that length to insist that there is no agreement with the Sox. If he did have a gentleman’s agreement in place there’s really no need for him to get into this level of detail in the denial.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    It appears that his agent has 2nd thoughts after the Crawford signing. He may want to piggyback the Albert Pujols deal next December. The original discussion had Boston signing him for $154M. Crawford is not nearly as productive for $142M.

  138. Patrick December 9th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    By the way… I do NOT like this Braunecker guy. He is making the negotiations all about himself which bothers me. I guess it’s his prerogative to do so as Lee’s agent but come on dude, show some class.

  139. start_wearing_pink December 9th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    @Mell

    It’s perfectly legal to avoid the luxury tax, but it may be frowned upon.

    Just the other day, posters on this site were claiming it was some type of conspiracy that the Red Sox might use the luxury tax rules to their advantage – a claim I completely disagreed with.

  140. Shame Spencer December 9th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    I’m sure this has already been discussed but does anyone have an estimate of the Sox payroll in 2011?

  141. Irreverent Discourse December 9th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    It is always an agents advantage for things to be public. It’s like free interviewing with younger players. Look how hard I’m working.

  142. Patrick December 9th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    It appears that his agent has 2nd thoughts after the Crawford signing. He may want to piggyback the Albert Pujols deal next December. The original discussion had Boston signing him for $154M. Crawford is not nearly as productive for $142M.

    It would be very smart for Adrian Gonzalez to wait until he’s a free agent to sign a deal. He is one of the top players in the league and he’s going to get a ton of exposure playing for Boston. Also, as much as I hate to admit it, he’s going to rake at Fenway. I expect a big year out of him, and if he waits until he’s a free agent he’s going to make a lot more than if he signs an extension with Boston.

  143. blake December 9th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Anyone who personally attacks me had btter be prepared to receive an angry emoticon…..

  144. Bring in the Goose December 9th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    How is Braunecker now showing class?

  145. AlbanyYankee December 9th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    I didn’t like Ken Rosenthal when I just thought he was making things up. Now, he’s making things up and he’s smug about it. The best part of MLBTV’s Hot Stove is when Rosenthal has to sit in his booster seat at the desk with the other normal-sized humans.

  146. Bring in the Goose December 9th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    blake you stink :P

  147. Tom in N.J. December 9th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Erica, I have.

    The peanut butter ice cream gives Peanut Butter Cup a slight advantege over the vanilla ice cream in Chubby Hubby. Chubby is a very good ice cream though.

    I’m a peanut butter junkie.

  148. Irreverent Discourse December 9th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    blake – D::( >:C D-::-( :-@[1] ;( `_´ D_.<)

    ?(?`???)?

  149. Irreverent Discourse December 9th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    wow, it ate a lot of those characters… hehe

  150. Patrick December 9th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    How is Braunecker now showing class?

    How many times did we hear from CC Sabathia’s agent when he got signed? Do you even remember his name? I don’t. CC and his agent basically kept quiet and waited for offers, then chose the best one. There’s no reason to broadcast to the world “WE ARE NOT ACCEPTING OFFERS YET!”. Cliff Lee stands on his merits, there is just no reason at all for the nonsense his agent is pulling. How would you feel as a Yankee fan if he blasted the Yankee execs like he just did to the Rangers?

  151. mick December 9th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Really, more Betsy doom and gloom? More statements of her opinions as unalienable facts? SHOCKING!!!
    ===============
    Imagine how out of control she would be if guys like SJ didn’t confront her ?
    Obviously her bothering of so many people is not a coincidence.

  152. Jerkface December 9th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    I didn’t like Ken Rosenthal when I just thought he was making things up. Now, he’s making things up and he’s smug about it. The best part of MLBTV’s Hot Stove is when Rosenthal has to sit in his booster seat at the desk with the other normal-sized humans.

    The Rosenthal you see on TV is actually a complicated prosthesis controlled by a gestalt-swarm of rats.

  153. Cashman needs to go December 9th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    If you take the “u” in turpen and switch it with an “a” you’d have tarpen.

    Cashman must have been on a fishing boat in Orlando when he decided to go after fish and tarpen…God knows he wasn’t at the actual meetings…

  154. clownthrowindown December 9th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    GB, Big Al,

    Its must be nap time for you guys.

    You guys are getting pretty grumpy. Its not our fault that Cashman has struck out everywhere so far and Lee is holding out on him.

  155. Erica in NY December 9th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Tom in N.J. December 9th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
    Erica, I have.

    The peanut butter ice cream gives Peanut Butter Cup a slight advantege over the vanilla ice cream in Chubby Hubby. Chubby is a very good ice cream though.

    I’m a peanut butter junkie.

    *************

    The concept of the chocolate covered, peanut-butter filled pretzel IN my ice cream is a winner.

    I just wish I could find Chubby Hubby.

  156. Yank 97 December 9th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Unless Lee is willing to consider taking less to stay in TX, why would his agent accept a bid from TX that is below our 7 yr bid?

  157. CB December 9th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Until the Gonzalez deal there no binding agreement. There have been leaks and many have assumed that Boston wouldn’t trade prospects until there’s an agreement but nothing is signed and that always leaves uncertainty.

    Gonzalez’s comments were fairly adamant:

    “”Nothing about that is true,” Gonzalez told Fernando Ballesteros. “It’s false. I haven’t signed any contract.” Indeed, by Gonzalez’s account, the two sides have yet to even delve into specific figures, despite word that he asked for, and received, approximately $161MM over eight years. “We discussed the trade, but we didn’t reach any agreement, and we didn’t negotiate numbers,” Gonzalez explained. “The only thing I have for sure is the contract that I had already signed with the Padres, and what I can tell you is that over the course of the season we’re going to negotiate to reach an agreement.””

    He just as easily could have gotten around the issue with a dressed up no comment.

    Just something interesting to monitor.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ed-to.html

  158. Erica in NY December 9th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    blake December 9th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
    Anyone who personally attacks me had btter be prepared to receive an angry emoticon…..

    *********************

    HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

    (Thats about as close as I get to a personal attack)

  159. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    SW Pink – that conspiracy theorist was me and I firmly stand by the sentiments I echoed on sunday morning prior to the “deal off”, “deal back on with no agreement” nonsense. They are ducking the system and an agreement will be finalized for an extension early in the year.

  160. mick December 9th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    I just don’t get all the Met talk on FAN today.

  161. Tom in N.J. December 9th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    :|

  162. BX33 December 9th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    JoelSherman1
    Key fringe benefit for #Yankees if can get Lee: Friend of Pettitte tell me Pet much more likely to return if sees strong chance for a title. Sure wants $, but Pettitte wants to see ring chances to push more achy/fragile body thru another year

    (those were 2 tweets combined into 1)

  163. BX33 December 9th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    “I just don’t get all the Met talk on FAN today.”

    Mike waiting for the other shoe to drop….

  164. Crawdaddy December 9th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    I had to turn XM Radio off because Jim Bowden, who grew up a Red Sox fan was doing his best to tweak Yankee fans with his Red Sox Nation crap and how Theo is the best GM in baseball today.

  165. Patrick December 9th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    I really like Adrian Gonzalez and Carl Crawford, it’s such a shame I have to hate them now :(

  166. vinny-b December 9th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    “There’s no reason to broadcast to the world “WE ARE NOT ACCEPTING OFFERS YET!”.
    ———————————

    Patrick: feel the same. The word DIVA comes to mind.

  167. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Ben and Jerry’s Peanut Brittle

  168. Bronx Jeers December 9th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Anyone who personally attacks me had btter be prepared to receive an angry emoticon…..

    ——————————————————————————————————————

    :smile:

  169. Yank 97 December 9th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    KenDavidoff
    A friend of Darek Braunecker’s says, “You can’t wipe the smile off his face right now.”

  170. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    blake smells.

  171. mick December 9th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Just picked up a Weight Watchers Peanut Butter, Vanilla Ice Cream (low fat) with chocolate covering and caramel inside.

    I am looking forward to it…

  172. vinny-b December 9th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    I just don’t get all the Met talk on FAN today
    ——————————————–

    Francessa. All that needs to be said. People need to boycott that mother f#cker

  173. Tom in N.J. December 9th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    “Ben and Jerry’s Peanut Brittle”

    Great, now I’m going to have to cave and find that. Thanks, LGY. Thanks a lot.

  174. Chip December 9th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    On the Sox in general –

    I’m still not terribly worried for three reasons:

    1. All they’ve done is replace what they’ve lost offensively in Beltre and Victor with Crawford and Adrian.

    2. They’ve made themselves weaker at two key positions (3b and C)

    3. The Rays have been torn apart by Free Agency and they’re going to lose more pieces before all is said and done. Meaning that the Yankees will still be one of the top two teams in the AL East.

    In general Red Sox fans should be very happy with what their team has done this winter – but I have news for them – the Red Sox have become everything they hate about the Yankees…they simply went out and bought the best team their money can buy. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it – but let’s see how quickly the double standard gets whipped out when the Yankees do shell out the money for Lee.

    Granted – the Yankee payroll will still be much higher than the Boston payroll.

    On another note – now that Crawford’s off the board I see one of two things happening should the Yankees sign Lee:

    1. They’ll have the payroll flexibility to make a major trade this summer
    2. They’ll go hard after Yu Darvish if he’s posted next winter.

  175. JEKIKASO December 9th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Yank 97 December 9th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
    KenDavidoff
    A friend of Darek Braunecker’s says, “You can’t wipe the smile off his face right now.”***********

    why?

  176. rodg12 December 9th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Patrick December 9th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    I really like Adrian Gonzalez and Carl Crawford, it’s such a shame I have to hate them now
    ——————————————————————–
    I’m in the same boat, Patrick. Crawford was my favorite non-Yankee. Gonzalez a key piece on my $$ keeper fantasy league (although the trade should help his fantasy numbers.

  177. start_wearing_pink December 9th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    @Carlo

    And if you remember, I agree with you. I dont, however, agree that it is some kind of conspiracy.

    Avoiding the luxury tax is legal.

  178. Mell December 9th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    “I’m sure this has already been discussed but does anyone have an estimate of the Sox payroll in 2011?”

    Little under $170M

  179. mick December 9th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Francessa. All that needs to be said. People need to boycott that mother f#cker
    ================
    He gets the ratings. He does what he wants and has his reasons.

  180. CB December 9th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Braunecker is getting a ton of money for his client. That’s his job. But he’s also working very hard to shine as much media attention on himself as possible in the process.

    He’s taking a page out of the Boras book. A lot of these negotiations have become about him and his demands on how the process will be run.

  181. Tom in N.J. December 9th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Blake, your mother wears army boots!

    [this insult would not work on GB7]

  182. Patrick December 9th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    KenDavidoff
    A friend of Darek Braunecker’s says, “You can’t wipe the smile off his face right now.”

    Yep. He has all of baseball dancing to his tune and when it ends he gets a consolation prize of around $5 million (or more)

  183. Bronx Jeers December 9th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    I wouldn’t mind A-Gon holding the Sox feet to the flames a bit.

    Should he get the same AAV as Crawford? Not a chance.

  184. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Chip – the one problem with ur thesis is that they didn’t buyu the team. Gonzalez came via trade. He costs $6 million in 2011. That’s all that matters right now.

  185. Mell December 9th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    “How many times did we hear from CC Sabathia’s agent when he got signed? Do you even remember his name? I don’t”

    I was thinking the same thing yesterday. No clue who Sabathia’s agent is.

  186. Mike from UNC December 9th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Make of this what you want:

    Carl Crawford is a career .275/.301/.406 hitter at Fenway Park with 4 hrs. His career OPS at Fenway is .708.

    Juan Pierre has a career OPS of .713.

  187. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Braunecker is not just selling Lee. He is selling himself.

    Can’t blame him. The agent biz is competitive especially with Boras being the only real household name.

  188. vinny-b December 9th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    “He gets the ratings. He does what he wants and has his reasons”
    ——————————–

    you kinda miss the point. If sports fans like yourself turned him off, he wouldn’t be on the air.

  189. Patrick December 9th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Braunecker is getting a ton of money for his client. That’s his job. But he’s also working very hard to shine as much media attention on himself as possible in the process.

    He’s taking a page out of the Boras book. A lot of these negotiations have become about him and his demands on how the process will be run.

    I guess I shouldn’t blame him because he’s using a strategy that helped Scott Boras become a mega-agent. I will certainly remember his name which is what he’s going for. If I remember it, maybe other players will when they are looking for an agent.

  190. Lost December 9th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    The Rivalry:

    Last year our offensive numbers dropped considerably, and with the BA’s and/or HR’s (the majority of our star players) being down quite a bit and coupled with the fact that Boston was never really much more than a brief momentary threat, the rivalry between the sox and yanks was just not there last year. Fighting for first vs. Tampa just wasn’t as exciting.

    It’s always a much more exciting baseball season when we are fighting over first place with the Redsox. Boston’s new additions bring forth a higher level of competition. Face the facts, they got better. How much better remains to be seen.

    This isn’t all too pretty:

    2010:

    Arod – .270
    Jeter – .270
    Tex – .256
    Posada – .248
    Granderson – .247

    They all had the lowest BA’s of their careers. Pretty significant decline. IMHO, that’s something to be concerned about (note: I didn’t say worried).

    Regardless, going head to head with Boston makes for a more exciting year.

  191. Shame Spencer December 9th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Coming through in the clutch Mell, thanks!

  192. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    I think both big CC and little CC are repped by Genske’s place Legacy

  193. blake December 9th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    lol….those attempts are just sad guys :(

  194. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    SWP – right, I do recall that, and I was not saying “conspiracy”, that was the term that was tagged to what I was saying by those who didn’t agree. Its exactly what u and I said it would be.

  195. Patrick December 9th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    you kinda miss the point. If sports fans like yourself turned him off, he wouldn’t be on the air.

    As much as I dislike him at times, I still find him enjoyable to listen to. I think he knows football pretty well and I can’t get enough of Yankee baseball so it doesn’t even matter what he’s talking about as long as that’s the topic and I”ll still tune in :(

  196. Patrick December 9th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    I think both big CC and little CC are repped by Genske’s place Legacy

    You are correct and I only know that because I googled it a few minutes ago. The point I was illustrating though was that CC and his agent handled things the right way and Braunecker is making this into a show. I don’t like it but as others have pointed out, I shouldn’t blame him, he’s trying to market himself.

  197. Irreverent Discourse December 9th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    A lot of players batting average declined in the year of the pitcher. Can’t put my thumb on why…

  198. CB December 9th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    “I guess I shouldn’t blame him because he’s using a strategy that helped Scott Boras become a mega-agent. I will certainly remember his name which is what he’s going for. If I remember it, maybe other players will when they are looking for an agent.”

    The first time I really paid any attention to him were the Burnett negotiations. He did a great job of playing the yankees and braves off each other to get that 5th year on burnett’s deal.

    But he’s upped the ante with Lee. Good strategy for him. It seems like two of his higher profile clients come through Arkansas where I think he’s based out of.

    He’s using the Lee negotiations as a national platform to build his business.

  199. Doreen December 9th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    I was out Christmas shopping.

    What did I miss??

    :)

  200. JEKIKASO December 9th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    It is what it is
    It ain’t what it ain’t
    Don”t make it something it’s not…. ;-)

  201. Yankee Trader December 9th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    You won’t be able to wipe the smile off my face if the Yankees:
    Sign Lee
    Pettitte returns
    Wood is brought back
    A really good lefty reliever is signed
    The Yankees stay healthy
    The pitching coach works miracles with AJ
    Montero turns out to be better than anticipated
    The players who had off years return to their norms.

  202. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    I was out Christmas shopping.

    What did I miss??

    ———————

    We exchanged our red beet potato salad recipes.

  203. Shame Spencer December 9th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Doreen – Snark. That is all.

  204. Phranchise December 9th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    The Rangers requested the Arkansas meeting and plan to increase their offer beyond five years, tweets Rosenthal. The Rangers are “adding any perk necessary” to please Lee and his family, tweets Yahoo’s Steve Henson.

    Sorry if this was already stated. But every perk? That is fairly desperate. Here’s a little clue. Cold hard cash provides every perk required. If we are going to perks you aren’t showing as much cash.

  205. vinny-b December 9th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    “But he’s upped the ante with Lee. Good strategy for him. It seems like two of his higher profile clients come through Arkansas where I think he’s based out of”
    ————————————-

    somehow he’s probably related to Jerry Jones (either via business or blood)

  206. Erica in NY December 9th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Doreen December 9th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
    I was out Christmas shopping.

    What did I miss??

    *************

    1) I love Whole foods mac & cheese
    2) My favorite flavor of Ben & Jerry’s is Chubby Hubby
    3) Tom in NJ’s favorite flavor is chocolate peanut butter cup
    4) Caves are everywhere
    5) There’s a dude named Cliff Lee

    Now you are all caught up!

  207. Mell December 9th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    “Coming through in the clutch Mell, thanks!”

    Slightly speculative, Shame. I’m assuming a $12M arb award for Papelbon and somewhere in the $2M-$2.5 M range for Ellsbury. By my count, they’ve got in the neighborhood of $158M committed to 22, but will be looking for some relief help and still maybe a C. Figure that’ll have ‘em scratching $170M.

  208. Doreen December 9th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Erica -

    LOL!

    That’s the important stuff, for sure!

  209. CB December 9th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Lost-

    It’s a definite concern. But when you look at the problem as being almost global across so many players on the team (especially older ones) then it becomes very difficult to even try to fix it through the offense. Those players aren’t going anywhere.

    In that sense it makes enhancing the pitching the best strategy possible. Adding one bat say in LF will definitely help. But that’s really the most that could be done.

    They really need to hope that the players rebound. Tex in particular has to have a much better season and I think he will.

    All that said – they may regret not having signed Matt Holliday last season.

  210. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    6) LGY’s favorite flavor is peanut brittle :mad:

  211. Erica in NY December 9th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    LGY December 9th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
    6) LGY’s favorite flavor is peanut brittle

    *************

    My bad!

  212. Erica in NY December 9th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Doreen December 9th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
    Erica -

    LOL!

    That’s the important stuff, for sure!

    ****************

    7) New Muppet movie comes out 11/23/11

  213. Doreen December 9th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Ah, but CB, can’t cry over spilt milk. Gotta move forward.

    ****

    Any word on Teixeira working out/working his swing or anything of the sort?

  214. Squeakz December 9th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    What has Pete Abraham become??? He’s already taking jabs at Jesus Montero and how Crawford and Ellsbury will run at will….

  215. Chip December 9th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Guys -

    I think we really need to take a deep breath:

    Cashman is not asleep at the wheel
    Lee’s agent is not the devil – he’s doing his job which is to get the best deal possible for his client. If I was his client I would expect and demand no less.

  216. Yank 97 December 9th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Lost:

    Suffice to say, the guys who had down years have to rebound. You can’t have your key players like Jeter hitting .270 or Tex hitting .258 or Granderson hitting .240. All but 2 regulars hit above .277.

  217. Mell December 9th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    8) The camera adds 10 pounds
    9) In Joba’s most recent picture, it appears three cameras were on him.

  218. RMS December 9th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    “Obviously her bothering of so many people is not a coincidence.”

    Maybe Betsy wouldn’t bother people if she did the following-
    Say the Crawford trade was a terrible one like most people on this blog. But if the Yanks had signed him for the same $$$ they would say great trade for the Yanks.
    Many people here think everything the Yanks do is great and downgrade everything other teams do.
    Not everyone kisses the Yanks arse.

  219. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    8) Joba looks like he is spending the winter curling cheeseburgers instead of dumbells.

  220. CB December 9th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Doreen-

    That’s very true! It’s done. But the contracts this year make it more and more of a missed opportunity. I understood why hey passed but I really did want them to sign him last winter.

  221. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    The question was asked “what has pete abraham become”……my question is how were so many of you duped into thinking he was anything other than a ridiculous dbag the entire time he was here?

  222. BX33 December 9th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    “The Rangers are “adding any perk necessary” to please Lee and his family, tweets Yahoo’s Steve Henson. ”

    LOL This is getting comical.

  223. Patrick December 9th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    7) New Muppet movie comes out 11/23/11

    8) Nobody but Erica and children under 12 care

    ouch sorry

  224. Carl December 9th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    http://video.msg.com/Home/CC-S.....y-Row-12-8

    CC at the Knicks game last night

  225. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Bye bye Joba career. 10 cent head.

  226. BX33 December 9th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Per Pete Abe –

    Over the seven-year period that began in 2003, either Carl Crawford or Jacoby Ellsbury led the American League in stolen bases in all but one season.

    In other news, the Yankees might be using defensively challenged Jesus Montero to catch next season. Those two guys might score 200+ runs and steal 75+ bases and give other teams fits.

  227. vinny-b December 9th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    “9) In Joba’s most recent picture, it appears three cameras were on him”
    ————————————–

    Mell: and yet it’s the Yankees/Cashman’s fault, Joba hasn’t amounted to anything

    :(

  228. mick December 9th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    “Obviously her bothering of so many people is not a coincidence.”
    ==========================================
    Let’s put it to a vote.
    Oh, that’s right, we already have.
    The people have spoken and you are incorrect.

  229. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Doreen December 9th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
    I was out Christmas shopping.

    What did I miss??

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    According to one source, the Yankees totally caved.

  230. Patrick December 9th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    that 8) is supposed to be 8 )

  231. ET December 9th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    They really should have traded Joba when they had the chance. They gave him too much rope.

  232. Erica in NY December 9th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Patrick December 9th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
    7) New Muppet movie comes out 11/23/11

    Nobody but Erica and children under 12 care

    **************

    Exscuse me!!! Erin too! :mad:

  233. mick December 9th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Live in a cave, die by the cave…

  234. The Other Phil December 9th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Why is anyone still paying attention to anything Pete Abraham has to say? Most disliked him when he was still with LoHud and called him out as being a Yankee hater. Of course he’s going to talk up the Sox and their new acquisition. Who cares?

  235. upstate kate December 9th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    still no Lee news?

    LGY
    was the lava cake good?

  236. Lost December 9th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    CB:

    “All that said – they may regret not having signed Matt Holliday last season.”

    I regretted it the moment he signed elsewhere. Yes that stings.

    —-

    On an unrelated note:

    My son just told me that the Yankees need to sign Cindy Crawford so that we have C. Crawford in LF just like the Redsox. Ah, the mind of an adolescent. :-)

  237. vinny-b December 9th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    They really should have traded Joba when they had the chance. They gave him too much rope.
    ————————–

    yup. I miss on some things. But was right on that one…

  238. start_wearing_pink December 9th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    @Carlo

    Because they aren’t bright enough to have seen it.

    Peter Abraham is Peter Abraham. It’s just Pete being Pete.

  239. RMS December 9th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    mick

    What was the final tally, big man?

  240. Patrick December 9th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Lost,

    If it were 1995 I would agree with your son.

  241. Bronx Jeers December 9th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Anyone remember the awful boyband “Color Me Baad” ?

    These guys could have been a good tribute band.

    http://flipflopflyball.tumblr......-gentlemen

  242. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Phranchise – you would be surprised. Obviously the contract dollars mean the most, but no matter how wealthy, celebs love perks. At the Oscars they go nuts over the gift bags. I can see the Rangers offering things like unlimited use of a corporate jet and pilot, Dallas housing options, personal assistants, suites on the road, limos, perks for the wife and kids, a luxury suite to the Cowboys, Mavs, you name it.

  243. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    What’s the latest on the lee thread on mlbtr? All I can see is that it moved back to the top and the sherman article from this AM. My bberry doesn’t get the updates to the threads for some reason.

  244. Carl December 9th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Bronx Jeers

    I wanna sex you up?

  245. UnKnown December 9th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    Fear the beard on the Real CC

  246. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    @SWP – I never liked the guy from day 1 and it wasn’t even until day 2 that I figured out he hated the yankees. Guy was so full of himself and had this ridiculous sense of entitlement.

  247. vinny-b December 9th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    “Phranchise – you would be surprised. Obviously the contract dollars mean the most, but no matter how wealthy, celebs love perks. At the Oscars they go nuts over the gift bags. I can see the Rangers offering things like unlimited use of a corporate jet and pilot, Dallas housing options, personal assistants, suites on the road, limos, perks for the wife and kids, a luxury suite to the Cowboys, Mavs, you name it.”
    —————————————————-

    free tours of Daily Plaza and the JFK museum. Bed & Breakfast at the Murchinson’s Estate. Dude Ranch accomodations at the LBJ ranch

  248. bruceb December 9th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Cliff Lee is like the last girl standing (and the ugliest) at the school prom. You don’t really want to ask her to dance but you know that if you don’t, you won’t be getting any for the next year.

  249. Phranchise December 9th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Yeah I get the perks are nice……. on top of the cash. Will Lee accept 10-20 million less for some perks. Doubt it.

  250. hardwired7 December 9th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Rangers now offering Lee the best dental plan any employee has ever seen.

    Hopefully, that does the trick.

  251. Yankee Trader December 9th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Yankees can offer an enclosed luxury suite to protect Lee’s wife and family from those gruff, obnoxious and spitting Yankee fans.

  252. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    kate,

    Excellent.

    Worth the overpay ;)

  253. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    …free 64 oz porterhouses at Billy Bob’s Beef Bowl in Ft. Worth.

  254. Yankee Trader December 9th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Rangers now offering Lee the best dental plan any employee has ever seen.

    Yankees counter with a new 12 gauge shotgun.

  255. Phranchise December 9th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    And any perks usually divides a team so have at it. Kevin Brown and his jet flights, etc. Once you open that can of worms, why shouldn’t you give that to young, kinsler, hamilton or anyone else on that team when they are due for a deal. Even Cuban gives perks across the boards. Yankees perks are the new clubhouse and everything else they can offer.

  256. Mell December 9th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Speaking of fat. Looks like Clemens went on the Puckett Diet:

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....t-clemens/

  257. upstate kate December 9th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    LGY’s lava cake = Cliff Lee
    worth the overpay

  258. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Can you imagine if Lee goes to the Bronx and he starts 2-4 with a 4.5? Ouch!

  259. rodg12 December 9th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    Gotta love CC and Joba rocking the Yankee Winter Beards. LOL.

  260. Carlo December 9th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Rodg – I’d actually love joba rocking the winter track suit.

  261. Cashman needs to go December 9th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. (AP)—A person familiar with the negotiations tells The Associated Press that outfielder Melky Cabrera(notes) has reached a preliminary agreement on a $1.25 million, one-year contract with the Kansas City Royals.

    ***************************

    Ah, Kansas City, where careers go to die…..

  262. LGY December 9th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Weren’t Joba and Clemens close when he was around?

    Looks like they follow the same winter workout plan.

  263. Tom in N.J. December 9th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Would that be any worse than say going 1-3 with a 4.85 ERA like CC did?

  264. ZMAN December 9th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    “I can see the Rangers offering things like unlimited use of a corporate jet and pilot, Dallas housing options, personal assistants, suites on the road, limos, perks for the wife and kids, a luxury suite to the Cowboys, Mavs, you name it.”

    I can see his wife going crazy for that type of stuff and appreciate the personal treatment. Just looking at the way the Rangers are negotiating combined with their public comments, it does appear that they are trying to seduce the wife, and in turn, hope she can nudge Lee back to Texas.

    Lee’s wife was the one who made the comment about the ‘horrible’ fans at the stadium and how much she loved Dallas (the community, people, etc.) and how close it is to their home in Ark. The Rangers statements all winter have been about “lifestyle” and Greenberg seemed happy to corroborate the story about how bad the NY fans were. They seem to be trying to get on the wife’s good side. Cliff doesn’t seem like the type to care where he plays, he was nonchalant about the fans comment, etc. I don’t think the Rangers are using these things to entice Cliff as much as his wife.

    Not a bad strategy for them. Clearly, they will be in the same ballpark as us as far as $$ is concerned. They are hoping the extraneous things will turn the needle towards TX.

  265. ZMAN December 9th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    “Rangers now offering Lee the best dental plan any employee has ever seen.”

    If only Dallas Braden was afforded the same opportunity by the As…

  266. BIG AL December 9th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    bruceb December 9th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    PS: That was MOST DEFINITELY a personal attack.

    —————————————————————-

    It would only be personal if I gave it any thought, or that you mattered, which you don’t.

    It’s easy to make a personal attack, especially when you have first HAND knowledge, right small minded person.

  267. Tom in N.J. December 9th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    CC makes me smile.

    I love the guy.

  268. Jerkface December 9th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Rangers offering Lee’s wife unlimited tab soda, box seats to the WNBA, liposuction coupons, etc.

    Yankees trump it by giving Cliff Lee a real man’s baseball contract

  269. tampayank December 9th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    “# Squeakz December 9th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    What has Pete Abraham become??? He’s already taking jabs at Jesus Montero and how Crawford and Ellsbury will run at will….

    ha I just went over there to lurk and saw that

  270. pat December 9th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    WCYF

    Stirring hard enough today that you may wear out your spoon.

  271. vinny-b December 9th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    CC makes me smile.
    I love the guy.
    ———————-

    co-sign

  272. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Sweeney Murti – These guys might be the possible trade options if the Yankees miss out on Lee. Buerhle, Guthrie, Zito, Garza and Shields. (Have to do a 3-way to get Tampa guys).

    This is why failure is not an option.

  273. I Like Inge December 9th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Joba should go work out with Phil Hughes. 6’5″ 240 lbs and built like a tank. He does look real soft in the middle.

  274. Mell December 9th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    GordonEdes – Red sox have made offer for C Russell Martin, competing against Yanks and Blue Jays: agent

  275. tampayank December 9th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    what’s holding up the Kerry Wood talks?

  276. The Mets are Pond Scum December 9th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    I see that Elvin Ramirez got selected in the Rule 5 draft. I just got his autograph at Quisqueya Stadium 2 weeks ago along with German Berroa, Wilson Betemit, Moises Sierra, and the eternally-famous Erick Almonte. I’m sure it will soon rank up there with the Melkman’s graceful scrawl.

  277. BIG AL December 9th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    vinny-b

    Will be happy to pass your kind thoughts along to Alfredo.

    Sent him all the good wishes from the blog yesterday, for his birthday.

    He has some healing to do, but he feels confident he’ll be OK.

  278. Chip December 9th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    They really need to unload Joba now.

    He’s obviously got no work ethic to let himself go like he has.

    If I had a season as poor as the one Joba did I would spend the winter working my tail off so that when pitchers and catchers report I would force my way out of the sixth inning and back into the 8th inning or starting rotation conversation.

  279. BIG AL December 9th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    tampayank December 9th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
    what’s holding up the Kerry Wood talks?

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  280. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Pat – It’s called bloggers engaging one another in conversation on a myriad of topics that are in the news. Feel free to contribute. At least I have a spoon – what tricks do you do with your pacifier?

  281. pat December 9th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    wsjcouch Nolan Ryan won’t negotiate with Cliff Lee. He just sent DVDs of “Walker, Texas Ranger” and “Sex and the City” and said, “You decide.”

    :lol:

  282. Doreen December 9th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    ZMan -

    That’s what I was saying this morning about Ryan having their ear and I was uneasy about Lee’s wife’s role in all this…

    I mean, we all know Teixeira chose NY because his Leigh didn’t like Boston’s shopping district, right? ;)

  283. Chip December 9th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Guthrie and Zito stink

    Why would the White Sox trade Buerhle

    Why would Tampa engage in any sort of trade (3 way or other) that helps the Yankees?

  284. Fran the original December 9th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    FWIW just heard Buster Olney on Michael Kay show. He said that some in the Yanks front office are not so sure they’ll get Lee. Also said Texas is willing to go 7.

  285. BIG AL December 9th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    tampayank -

    Can you please send some good news Tampa is moving to NC, so I can see some Yankees games in the new baseball stadium their building, and no team for it yet.

  286. MTU December 9th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Al-

    Check your mail.

  287. Mell December 9th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    SI_JonHeyman KC trying to involve #yankees in greinke but nyy hesitant to risk him in NYC. deep in mix: tex, mil, wash, lad, tor.

  288. rodg12 December 9th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Big Al -
    Send him some well wishes from me as well. Hope he’s back in the Pinstripes next season.

  289. coney1 December 9th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Olney has pretty good sources…that’s definitely concerning. Texas may go 7 years but you wonder how much money. If they go $155M or so, do the Yankees go $175-180M to blow him away? Does he leave $20-25M on the table?

  290. YankFanCA December 9th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    I couldn’t care less how the Pollyannas spin things. The fact is No Lee = No Chance in 2011 and perhaps beyond. The Yankees now have to meet Lee’s every demand. Boston is clearly superior as of now, and if the Yankees lose on Lee, they will struggle to gain the Wild Card.

  291. Web December 9th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    # Mell December 9th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    SI_JonHeyman KC trying to involve #yankees in greinke but nyy hesitant to risk him in NYC. deep in mix: tex, mil, wash, lad, tor.

    ———————————

    Kansas City is such a joke. “Trying to involve the Yankees.” Ha.

  292. Chip December 9th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Mell -

    I really wonder if with Crawford off the board if the Yankees will get in the mix for Greinke as a Plan B.

    Could it be a reverse of the year that everyone wanted Javy Vazquez and the Yankees got him and the fall back option for Boston was Curt Schilling who was leaps and bounds better than Javy?

    And if nothing happens with Greinke; would anyone be in favor of:

    Gardner, Nova, Brackman, lower level prospect to Cleveland for Sizemore and Carmona?

  293. upstate kate December 9th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Jerkface
    best post of the day :)

  294. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 9th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    I wouldn’t offer Lee 7, but if that’s what it takes to beat Texas’s offer, I think that Cash will go the distance.

  295. Benny Blanco December 9th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Per John Heyman, KC trying to invlove yankees in greinke but nyy hesitant to risk him in nyc deep. Deep in the mix: tex, mil, wash, lad, and toronto. 5 mins ago

  296. tampayank December 9th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    “# BIG AL December 9th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    tampayank -

    Can you please send some good news Tampa is moving to NC, so I can see some Yankees games in the new baseball stadium their building, and no team for it yet.

    Charlotte is building a new ballpark with no team? link?

    And I think that will take of itself, a lot of upset people in town w/ some of the names leaving the Rays….The already bad attendance, especially during the week will get worse in 2011

  297. Chip December 9th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Coney -

    I think at that point the Yankees will walk away.

    Look, I really like Cliff Lee – I think he would be dominant in pinstripes, but I’m not giving away the store for him.

    There will be other pitchers, the asking price on Greinke may drop (as it did on Santana a couple of years back) and other guys may become available.

  298. coney1 December 9th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    BobsBlitz Funny, Francesa shocked if Yanks don’t get lee as Olney tells Michael Kay that Yankees confidence is low as to acquisition

  299. Phranchise December 9th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Why oh why would the Yankees mortgage any prospects for Grienke with his anxiety issues that caused him almost a year of baseball???? We also have yet to see him pitch in any one game of consequence. If anything had the makings of a disaster that would be it. Not saying it might not work out, but not like the guy is coming at a discount. He has plenty of ? that should deter them. Whatever the Royals would want I would turn around an offer for Josh Johnson, King Felix or others and hope a team would bite before wanting Grienke.

  300. 4time December 9th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    If TEX goes 7 yrs, Yanks have no choice but to go 8 years.

  301. YankFanCA December 9th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    They will definitely go 7 years now. They have no choice, other than becoming an old, second-tier team. Look at what the Yankees starting staff is composed of right now. It’s Lee or bust.

  302. YankeeRay December 9th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
    Sweeney Murti ? These guys might be the possible trade options if the Yankees miss out on Lee. Buerhle, Guthrie, Zito, Garza and Shields. (Have to do a 3-way to get Tampa guys).

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  303. I Like Inge December 9th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Damn what kind of side chicks were in Texas that Lee would still be thinking about 7yrs 160 mil to come to NY.

  304. mick December 9th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    If texas offers 7 for less money, enough to offset the NY tax, does Cash go to 8?
    More money for sure. Prob not years.

    Yanks drove the money up to Crawford but , in turn, drove it up for Lee.

  305. Phranchise December 9th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Heyman is one guy that usually has the Yankees info right. I don’t really trust too many other sources out there. Olney also isn’t much of a Yankees lover so can’t imagine his great sources are close to any Yankees info.

  306. Web December 9th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    # 4time December 9th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    If TEX goes 7 yrs, Yanks have no choice but to go 8 years.

    ——————————

    Ok, NOW I draw the line, haha. That is just too much.

  307. vrsce December 9th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    GRIENKE.

  308. YankFanCA December 9th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Buerhle, Guthrie, Zito, Shields? LOL You’ve got to be kidding? A bunch of #4 – #5 starters. Please.

  309. nyypg96 December 9th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    is there any idea of when lee is going too decide??

  310. Mell December 9th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    “I really wonder if with Crawford off the board if the Yankees will get in the mix for Greinke as a Plan B”

    Boston grabbed Gonzalez without having to tap the major league roster. Who’s to say the Yankees can’t do the same?

    We’ll have to see. I still think the “perks” fall just short in Texas and Lee winds up in NYC.

  311. West Coast Yankee Fan December 9th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Phranchise December 9th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Heyman is one guy that usually has the Yankees info right.

    ************

    Better duck Phranchise. Comments like that are like insulting someone’s mother here.

  312. Melk Man December 9th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Yanks need to raise their offer to 7/$175 before offering 8. I would be willing to go 8 though if needed.

    Dam, if TEX is willing to go 7, this is going to become an epic bidding war.

  313. upstate kate December 9th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    and now, a short break in the Lee discussion

    Granderson is going to New Zealand as a good will ambas sador for mlb

    hopefully I did the link correctly

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  314. mick December 9th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Cash has instructions to get Lee. He usually gets his man.

  315. YankFanCA December 9th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Not only is a Lee an absolute MUST HAVE, but the Yankees also need Pettitte back. Unless, of course, you feel comfortable with Hughes, Nova, and Burnett in the rotation.

  316. Chambliss December 9th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    The Sox will have a very strong lineup, although it will be overloaded with lefties, at least in 2011.

    Cashman should just get it over with and add more $$ or another year to the deal. Don’t give Texas a chance to get Lee. Blow them out of the water. Will it be a bad deal in 6 or 7 years? Probably, but it already is, so why stop now?

  317. Phranchise December 9th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Yankees will not or ever go to 8 years. The want him, but won’t be stupid with it. If the Yankees get outbid here so be it. Rangers can fall right back into financial ruin by making the same mistakes they have in the past. Even with Arod at least he was a prime time best player in the game every day player. Even we admit Lee will be diminished by the end of this deal so how would the Rangers be doing by then carrying that salary?

  318. JD December 9th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    If Rangers come close to or match the Yankees offer they are crazy. Huge risk for them. Don’t they still owe A-Rod 25m? They are outta their league on this one.

  319. nyypg96 December 9th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Cash has instructions to get Lee. He usually gets his man.

    ———————————————————————————

    He did already fail once. bbut i guess you cant really blame that one on him.

  320. tampayank December 9th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    I would not go 8 years

  321. Phranchise December 9th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Rangers put 5 years out there first knowing Yankees were going to offer at least 6. The talk from Heyman today was Ryan possibly softening to go to 6 years. So how in all of that do we think the Yankees have to offer 8.

    Yankees need Lee more than Rangers do. At this point it would be a stupid move on their part. They don’t need Lee to beat the Angels again or Seattle to make the playoffs. And they have prospects to land pitching elsewhere like Grienke.

  322. munson15 December 9th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Big Al. Where in NC are the building a baseball stadium?

  323. Melk Man December 9th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    If you were Lee and you had high-ranking execs coming to your house, bribing you everyday, offering you and your wife presidential-like perks… why would you be in a rush to make a decision?

    It’s not like they are just dragging their feet, they seemingly have new offers from NY or TEX everyday.

  324. tampayank December 9th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    I hate to be pessimistic but I could see the meltdown already in April if Jeter comes out of the gate hitting 240 in April…Posada’s numbers continue to dip……..could be a shaky year if we don’t get Lee

  325. YankFanCA December 9th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Texas will drive up the years and cost, but the Yankees will have to go higher. If Cashman loses Lee, he should forget rappelling down buildings and just drop the rope.

  326. jacksquat December 9th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    no one is going 8 years ffs

  327. Chip December 9th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Mell December 9th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
    “I really wonder if with Crawford off the board if the Yankees will get in the mix for Greinke as a Plan B”

    Boston grabbed Gonzalez without having to tap the major league roster. Who’s to say the Yankees can’t do the same?

    We’ll have to see. I still think the “perks” fall just short in Texas and Lee winds up in NYC.

    ———————

    Apples and Oranges Mell.

    Greinke is younger, healthier and signed to a reasonable contract

    Gonzo is older, coming off major surgery and has to be signed to a long term deal.

  328. vinny-b December 9th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    “Gardner, Nova, Brackman, lower level prospect to Cleveland for Sizemore and Carmona?”
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    car bomb?

    would rather take my chances with Grienke. Even if his SAD graduates to Panic Disorder

  329. Phranchise December 9th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    YankFanCA………….. That was too funny. Was just about to write, maybe Cashman should have been working on the deal rather than rappelling down a buildiing. All in jest of course. Look Yankees are offering a massive deal. At some point you draw a line. I will not jump out a window if they don’t get him because someone pulls a Werth like stupid move. When we didn’t get Santana that was supposed to be the end. Instead Santana deal looks awful, Mets are in disarray and we still have Phil Hughes and the money spent elsewhere. Sox I am sure glad they didn’t get him for Lester as well.

  330. munson15 December 9th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    I think Texas is driving the price up to piss off the Yankees. 8 years is stupidity. The Yanks have some pretty good peices to trade. Offer the Marlins a great package for Josh Johnson.

  331. joeman December 9th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    # munson15 December 9th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Big Al. Where in NC are the building a baseball stadium?
    —————————————————————–

    if I may

    I think Greensboro

  332. MTU December 9th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Munson-

    “The Yanks have some pretty good peices to trade. Offer the Marlins a great package for Josh Johnson.”

    Or Kershaw, or Danks, or Andersen, etc.

    :)

  333. RS December 9th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Greinke is much too risky IMO. He had one brilliant year, but his ERA last year was the same as Hughes, and his career ERA is about the same as Burnett’s. If Greinke had Felix Hernandez’s stats with similar mental health issues, or he was an extremely high character guy, it might be worth it.

  334. vrsce December 9th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    let lee go. trade for Grienke or johnson. there is more than one way to add pitching.

  335. joeman December 9th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    I’m still standing on Lee not coming here

  336. tampayank December 9th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    “# joeman December 9th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    # munson15 December 9th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Big Al. Where in NC are the building a baseball stadium?
    —————————————————————–

    if I may

    I think Greensboro

    if true, that wouldn’t work for an MLB franchise, too small of a market…it has to be in Charlotte or maybe Raleigh

  337. Erica in NY December 9th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    new thread :arrow:

  338. Benny Blanco December 9th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    I dont like the fact the rangers have multiple opp’s to meet with Cliff lee. What ever happen to putting your best deal forward?

  339. Phranchise December 9th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    Josh Johnson just got signed right? And I doubt the Marlins would be inclined to move him without a sooooo over the top offer.

  340. joeman December 9th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Erica in NY December 9th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    new thread

    —————————————-

    hope is says Lee signs

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    tampayank -

    The new stadium is being built downtown to lure the Charlotte Knights , the White Sox AAA team from Ft. Myers SC. Chris Chambliss was the manager there, and left to be the hitting coach the the M’s. Rumor has it Willie Randolph might get the manager’s job.

    It’s a rather large stadium for MiLB team though.

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