Lee decision might take a while longer
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 10, 2010 
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At the airport yesterday, before I could ask Brian Cashman a single question, he asked me one.
“What do you think’s going to happen?”
Despite some earlier reports that a Cliff Lee decision might come this weekend, Bob Nightengale reported today that neither the Yankees nor the Rangers expect an answer from Lee for a few days.
That makes sense, and that was the feeling I got from the Cashman on Thursday. The offers are on the table, there are probably multiple offers from every team in the mix, and if Lee took his time getting to this point, why wouldn’t he take his time signing his name?
Crap.
is his right, yanks could be left hanging like when teix did to bos
I don’t see what is going to take so long at this point. It’s pretty clear now that it wasn’t about a chance to win, liking the city he’s in, liking the team/teammates, how the fans treated him or his wife….it was about the money. Now they know the max offers they’ll get, and all that’s left is to make a decision. Shouldn’t take days, imo.
http://sportsthunderdome.blogspot.com/
While I agree, are the NY goons any worse than the Philly goons or the Boston ones????? Not really. If Lee is playing here it is fairly irrlevant. The Goons are on your side, not theirs. I doubt a moral stand against a few fans will disuade them from $20 million dollars. If someone wants to give me $20 extra million to make up for a few curses and spit balls, count me in. Heck I?ll take $100 bucks?.. fire away
Flip a coin Cliff.
But make sure you pick tails for the Yanks. I hear it comes up 70%.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05.....enner.html
Lee’s agent did exactly what he did 2 years ago….. he played ATL against NY…. got the max offers from both teams (80M & 82M) and then Burnett came to NY
Days are to go over the contracts and different structures as well as to see if their are any other teams invloved. Ultimately they will need people to go thru the contracts and unearth tax implications, what payment structures create greater value. It’s not as straight forward as 140 for 7 or something, front loaded, back loaded contracts. He is signing a massive deal. Little details can mean millions of bucks. Why would he rush and make a mistake? Would you? The only ones that would feel better would be the people sweating your decision. It doesn’t sound like they are looking to play this longer to get more money or new offers.
“You want me to say the Red Sox are the favorite?” Sabathia said. “I play for the Yankees. I always feel like we have a chance to win. If you look in our clubhouse and look at our lineup and the things we can do, it’s hard not to side with our team.”
BryanHoch
By the way, CC Sabathia repeats he will not opt out after 2011. “I’ll be here. That’s been from Day 1. My family is here, we moved here.”
38 minutes ago via Chromed Bird
The Decision part 2
I would think the Tex deal has deferred money
gotta love CC
against all odds
I have said a couple of times that Lee wants his own espn special
“What do you think’s going to happen?”
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What did ya tell him Chad?
The Yankees have become CC’s team.
AJ can be good for something, he can be Lee’s hunting buddy.
CC’s pitching isn’t the only asset he brings to the Yankees.
He has been, by all accounts, a great teammate and a great Yankee.
If Lee turns out to be anything like CC, it would be money well spent.
Chad, do you sense that since the money for Lee has been set aside in a “separate account” that Cashman is moving forward with other names unrelated to Lee and Pettitte?
CC rocks.
You also have to consider that neither team is going to tell one of these reporters they expect a decision today or tomorrow or something.
Neither wants to send a message to Lee that they are rushing him.
Them saying a few days is just another way of saying take your time Cliff.
OK, so what did you tell him, Chad?
I think the reason why Lee didnt decided yet its because of the incident with the fans and the treatment of Jeter by the Yankee management. Jeter told them that he doesnt want to play for another team and they told him to test the market in the media of all places. Also I think Maddux and the Rangers management told him stories about Steinbrenner
Yeah Chad, don’t leave us hanging like a nail
Keep your eyes on Baltimore
The Orioles are offering a contract to Kevin Gregg…they already have Mike Gonzalez and Koji Uehara in the back of the pen so they’re looking good there.
I expect improved performances from Markakis, Jones and Wieters, plus the additions of Hardy and Reynolds should make their lineup a little more dynamic.
If they could get one veteran starter in there – either bring back Millwood or get a guy like that – they could put a lot of pressure on the AL East.
I don’t understand why Lee would take less to play in Texas, although I’m really starting to wonder if the goons at the ALCS who thought it would be funny to taunt the players families and throw beer and expletives at them really have ruined this for us.
If they take less money and you hear about “atmosphere” and things like that I hope the Yankees take a no tolerance policy on stupid beer muscled jerks at the ball park in the future.
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It’s funny you mention that, G.Love. I do think a lot of the Rangers public comments/negotiating strategy is aimed more at the wife (lifestyle, home, etc.) to try and get on her good side so that she convinces Cliff to go there.
OTOH, I do think the story from Lee’s wife is somewhat exaggerated. I have to believe the Yankees are smart enough to have ample security in the family section. I had a strange feeling after those comments… obviously, she leaked them for a purpose. And in that same article she ripped the Yankees fans, she talked about how much she loves the community in TX and likes how close it is to her family in Ark. And it was on the same day as game 1 of the WS too.
Everything we’ve heard from Lee was that he was a $$ guy and would take 1 dollar more from the Nats over a winning team. Let’s hope that rings true.
I think the reason why Lee didnt decided yet its because of the incident with the fans and the treatment of Jeter by the Yankee management. Jeter told them that he doesnt want to play for another team and they told him to test the market in the media of all places. Also I think Maddux and the Rangers management told him stories about Steinbrenner
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im confident that has nothing to do with it, considering the offer and attention they are giving Lee, and good stories from CC, etc.
gotta love those “sources”
“Sources have informed Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News that Russell Martin is leaning toward signing with the Red Sox.”
dont lean too hard Russell or you might aggravate that bad hip of yours
From Rob Neyer
1. Cliff Lee
2. Adrian Beltre
3. Orlando Hudson
4. Carl Pavano
5. Magglio Ordonez
6. Russell Nathan Coltrane Jeanson Martin
7. Manny Ramirez
8. Jim Thome
9. Bill Hall
10. Hideki Matsui
I wonder if Cliff Lee is listed in the phone book? What town is he in again? Has anyone tried to call him to see if he’s made a decision yet? “Hello, uh, Cliff?…. some people up here are curious if you know which team you’ll be playing for…….”
I think the reason why Lee didnt decided yet its because of the incident with the fans and the treatment of Jeter by the Yankee management. Jeter told them that he doesnt want to play for another team and they told him to test the market in the media of all places. Also I think Maddux and the Rangers management told him stories about Steinbrenner
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I think the reason Lee hasn’t decided yet is because he just got the final offers in his hand 24 hours ago.
christina still smoking that dope. isn’t that sweet.
Boston can take Russell Martin. He’s not that good. Again, Russell in Boston means easy out at the bottom of the order.
Christina,
Then why didn’t Crawford consider the way Boston fans and their front office trashed the likes of Nomar, Roger Clemens, Wade Boggs, Manny Ramirez and Mike Lowell?
Why didn’t he pay attention to how Red Sox Nation can turn on a player with a militancy unmatched in baseball, despite that players former contributions and dedication to the franchise?
Money Christina…it all comes down to money.
Gotta love Christina fiction tour on the LoHud Blog today.
Her BF must have dumped her to come up with the nonsense she has come up with today.
Troll around Fenway Park. Perhaps Jason Varitek will give you some time.
He seems to fall for the dim types.
Phranchise,
I don’t want to pay $175 million for 7 years, and don’t think they will anyway, but there are a couple of things you need to consider. First, there is zero state income tax in Texas, so even if the Yankees offered $20 million more than the Rangers, the net income would be roughly the same. The second thing to keep in mind is that if the Yankees sign Lee, they will still have their top prospects available to develop, or if necessary, trade during the season or the next offseason. If they don’t sign Lee then there’s a good chance they will make a big trade to land a front-line starter, who most likely wouldn’t be as good as Lee. This is important not only for 2011, but for the following years as well, as if Gardner doesn’t duplicate what he did last year, Granderson continues to hit .250 or less, and/or if Swisher continues to struggle in the playoffs, then they very well might need to make a trade for an Upton or another elite outfielder. Plus, losing Lee to Texas of course makes it likely that we will have to face Lee in the playoffs for years to come. So $175 million over 7 is crazy, but it just might be necessary.
christina12 December 10th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
I think the reason why Lee didnt decided yet its because of the incident with the fans and the treatment of Jeter by the Yankee management. Jeter told them that he doesnt want to play for another team and they told him to test the market in the media of all places. Also I think Maddux and the Rangers management told him stories about Steinbrenner
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The first two words are a blatant lie. You’ve never had a thought in your life. The rest of that BS proves it.
I don’t believe that Lee doesn’t already know where he wants to play.
I Like Inge December 10th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
Boston can take Russell Martin. He’s not that good. Again, Russell in Boston means easy out at the bottom of the order.
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you guys are really putting a lot of faith in a kid who hasn’t ever had a cup of coffee in the majors (Montero)
Look, I for one hope he comes up here and fits in right away like Posey did in San Francisco and Mauer did with the Twins – but the reality is that there’s an equal chance he struggles like Jarrod Saltalamaccia or Matt Wieters have.
If that’s the case, I don’t want the Yankee catching options to be a 40-year old broken down Posada or Wet Noodle for a bat Cervelli – if I’m going to have a poor offensive catcher behind the plate (like Cervelli) I would at least want him to be able to throw a few guys out – that’s a dimension Martin brings – even if he doesn’t hit a lick – he’s a superior defensive catcher – probably the best the Yankees would have had since Girardi first came over.
I agree with Rich in NJ — I think Lee knows !! . . Maybe the wife is confusing him.. IDK
zman, there was also a report out from the Yankees that they talked about how they reviewed the tapes from that game, specifically looking for any incident that happened involving Lee’s wife. They couldn’t see where anything had happened.
While anything is possible, there are moron fans in every city, it seems that whatever it was that she was talking about was far overblown. I would think that most NY fans who knew it was Lee’s wife, and knowing that Lee was going into FA, they wouldn’t be giving her any kind of hard time unless she was trash talking first.
It was reported that the Rangers hadn’t actually given any formal offering prior to yesterday.
GB7 –
The first two words are a blatant lie. You?ve never had a thought in your life. The rest of that BS proves it.
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LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!!!
I say we will know where Cliff Lee is playing only after ESPN lets him know when they have a free hour to devote. Lee played in Cleveland, too, right?
Anyone got TV listings available?
I heard a very interesting point on ESPN radio just now.
That being Cliff Lee’s son is in remission from Leukemia and that a parent might not want to take him away from his friends and doctors. And that Cliff Lee will want his family with him.
SJ44,
My boyfriend? You dont know anything about me. For the rest of the people. Didnt Lee’s wife said that the Yankee fans were very rude in the stands? As for Jeter. He was treated bad by the Yankees management. That is a fact.
I wish the Yankees had a good option besides Lee…then they could just bow out and tell Lee and his agents to stick it where the sun don’t shine!!
Cliff Lee brushed that issue aside right away.
Jeter has no relation to Cliff Lee.
christina -
Yankees management made Derek Jeter the highest paid short stop in the game of baseball. I wish people would treat me so badly.
WCYF
I am not really seeing how is that relevant. Lee has played for 3 different teams in the last 12 months. Whatever he decides will give his family long term stability, whether NY or TX
CharlotteYankeesFan,
That is not really true regarding the taxes. The difference in taxes is there, but it isn’t as much as is being made out. Add to that he can live where he wants as his primary address, which will affect his taxes as well, it just doesn’t hold up.
There also needs to be a look at how the pay is structured, more early on is a better situation than it being spread out.
Add in whatever other financial moves Lee makes and the tax burden decreases as well. When you are making those kinds of dollars the accountants can do amazing things to help decrease what you pay.
There is also a certain amount of status that comes with the higher paycheck.
“I don’t believe that Lee doesn’t already know where he wants to play.”
He might… his wife… not so much.
Also, waiting might get him a few extra million.
waiting has already given him an extra year, regardless of which offer he takes
WCYF -
I see the problem now. The good news is, there’s a cure:
1. Turn off the radio
2. Bang your head against the wall to clear out the noise from ESPN Radio
3. Go out and take a nice walk.
The people from ESPN, MLB, etc…they’re all just guessing. There’s not a single one of them who knows what is going on.
Here’s the proof of that:
Before the deals happened who reported on Crawford being close with the Sox? Werth being close with the Nats? No one…the reason why…these people aren’t reporters, they are parrots – they don’t dig up stories, they report what they’re told and when they aren’t told anything they guess – just like the people on this blog.
It’s a positive message to the rest of baseball and especially free agents when the team captain says he never wanted to play for another team.
Jeter is a winner and he loves the Yankees and he’s a true blue Yankee fan for life.
Other players see that and they know NYY baseball is where it’s at.
I understand that he is the highest paid shortstop but they went to the media to talk about it. Jeter is a very private person. He didnt like it. He said it himself.
If that’s the case, I don’t want the Yankee catching options to be a 40-year old broken down Posada or Wet Noodle for a bat Cervelli – if I’m going to have a poor offensive catcher behind the plate (like Cervelli) I would at least want him to be able to throw a few guys out – that’s a dimension Martin brings – even if he doesn’t hit a lick – he’s a superior defensive catcher – probably the best the Yankees would have had since Girardi first came over.
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Agree. Martin is a very underrated move. Would hurt if he went to Boston. Low-risk, high-reward.
“Other players see that and they know NYY baseball is where it’s at”
Read: It’s about the money
ok, it has gotta be freaky friday…Chip has been the voice of reason all day
My gut feel has this not going the Yankees way.
I guess we’ll soon find out who wears the pants in the Lee family…
The East Coast has some of the best health care facilities in the world, no matter what the ailments. While there could be the tug of family involved, with the way Lee has been moving around the past few years I don’t think it would be that big a difference. Add in that it might mean opening his son up to having the absolute best care and treatment possible, it could be swung the other way.
christina -jeters agent went to the media first, not the yankees. get your facts straight.
Mell,
That’s self-evident.
“My gut feel has this not going the Yankees way.”
Then raise the offer to 7/$175 and hope that does the trick
Christina12,
The yankees have won 27 world championships
The rangers have won 0
Cliff Lee knows that too.
Don’t assume the Rangers aren’t close to the Yankees financially. There is a reason the billionaire investor went to the meeting – $20 million a year is chump change to him, you don’t know what arrangement he and the Rangers might have made to allow him to help make this work financially.
Other players see that and they know NYY baseball is where it’s at.
Other players see $15M for an old singles hitter and know NYY $$$$ is where its at.
fxxk him
Irreverent,
No he didnt. He said that is baffling to him that the Yankees are negotiating Jeter’s contract in the media.
I heard from a source that Lee may or may not decide what color socks he’s going to wear tomorrow. Or whether he’ll wear socks at all. But a decision on deciding may happen soon. Or may not.
Other players see $15M for an old singles hitter and see the Yankee’s as a franchise that takes care of its icons.
Have you once posted something positive about the Yankees around here? I’m searching through your comments on google and i’m back about 3 months. I’m thinking no.
At this point I would be completely shocked (and happy) if Lee picks the Yankees. It’s taking too long, and I think he’s just waiting to try and get more money from the Rangers before signing. I hope I’m wrong though, because the rotation next year without him and if Pettitte retires isn’t pretty.
She is a Red Sox troll/twit who shows up spewing fiction.
Usually when she in in between boyfriends.
The highest I’d go is 7/$189… $27 mil AAV
If that doesn’t do it, screw him.
Each season, Kristen, Jaxon and his sister Maci, 7, spend the summer months with Cliff and return to Benton when school starts. Now, rather suddenly and unexpectedly, Cliff is a mere one-hour flight or 4 1/2-hour drive away.
“It’s been a huge thing, totally, because we’ve never had it,” Kristen says. “We’ve never played close to home. It’s definitely nice.”
A month into Cliff’s Rangers tenure, Kristen and the kids returned to Benton. But this time, when his team played a Sunday afternoon home game, Cliff had the convenience and team’s blessing to fly to Arkansas and stay until Tuesday morning.
“He’d never been home [in Arkansas] one single time, ever, during the season,” Kristen says. “It’s saved me and the kids a lot of trips.”
Read more: http://www.thirdage.com/news/c.....z17jZwwnk3
I went to 2 Dodgers/Yankee games last year and the comments towards Russel Martin make the Lohud game comments regarding Jeter with a man on first seem tame. No Dodger fan is going to miss him – and they don’t really have an alternative plan – that should tell you something.
christina, if you listen to the whole talk that Jeter made at the PC, you can’t 100% tell who he was angered by, but with all he said it seems he was ticked off most at the media and all the things they were spouting off about. Jeter didn’t like that any of the things were out in the media. His agent made his comments.
The media was the source for saying what Jeter’s demands were, while Jeter said that was a lie.
Meanwhile, the world got to see how the Red Sox treated their “C”aptain, which was a far worse manner than Jeter was treated.
clownthrowindown – just think, if he moves his family to new york they will actually get an education.
09:34 AM ET 11.21 | Derek Jeter’s agent Casey Close has said very little about his client’s negotiation with the Yankees so far and thought the Yankees would do the same. He was wrong about that. All of a sudden, the Yankees have a lot to say, especially through “sources” close to the front office. Close thought everybody wanted to handle this negotiation the right way, maybe because his client has done things the right way with the Yankees from the day he ran out to shortstop for good in 1996. Only now you can’t shut the Yankees up. Close said: “They continue to argue their points in the press and refuse to acknowledge Derek’s total contribution to their franchise.”
Read more: http://www.fannation.com/truth.....z17ja4d2bA
He has both offers, very likely both *max* offers. One can only think about this stuff and talk about it with the family for so long…
I can only imagine that Lee can’t decide what kind of team he wants to play for, or Lee wants to play for the Yankees but his wife/kids don’t want to move.
christina – all i see there is an agent to drum up public sympathy for a player with no leverage in a negotiation. it worked, didn’t it?
christina12 – you are exactly right. Thanks for sharing your opinion here.
“She is a Red Sox troll/twit who shows up spewing fiction.
Usually when she in in between boyfriends.”
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let’s ignore the trolls/ringworms, please.
they are like parasites. they need people to acknowledge them to exist.
don’t feed the ringworm.
Irreverent,
One positive thing that the Yankees did was how they handled Mariano Rivera’s contract. Its nice to see that they got it done without any drama. So far the same thing applies to Lee’s situation. They handle it pretty well.
clown,
IMO, I think the wife is the obstacle here, not Cliff.
Two clueless people agreeing with one another.
How novel.
In the postseason, CC hasn’t pitched like the ACE that he is getting paid to be.
clownthrowindown December 10th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
Each season, Kristen, Jaxon and his sister Maci, 7, spend the summer months with Cliff and return to Benton when school starts. Now, rather suddenly and unexpectedly, Cliff is a mere one-hour flight or 4 1/2-hour drive away.
“It’s been a huge thing, totally, because we’ve never had it,” Kristen says. “We’ve never played close to home. It’s definitely nice.”
A month into Cliff’s Rangers tenure, Kristen and the kids returned to Benton. But this time, when his team played a Sunday afternoon home game, Cliff had the convenience and team’s blessing to fly to Arkansas and stay until Tuesday morning.
“He’d never been home [in Arkansas] one single time, ever, during the season,” Kristen says. “It’s saved me and the kids a lot of trips.”
Read more: http://www.thirdage.com/news/c…..z17jZwwnk3
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Well there you go. There’s a good chance the wife doesn’t want to move, or has flat out refused to move. So Lee has to decide between playing for the team he wants, or spending more time with his family. Possibly. I can’t think of any other reason that would cause so much time to be taken when the offers are maxed.
Lee’s wife on ending up in Texas…
But guess what? The move they didn’t expect has in many ways been their most rewarding.
“It’s amazing how things work,” she said. “You’re expected to win in New York. And in Texas, I feel like he’s getting the glory that he deserves. He doesn’t look for it, but I feel like he deserves a little bit of glory.
“He works so hard and we’ve been through so much, on the field and off. It’s nice to see it come around full circle and know that everything happens for a reason.”
Read more: http://www.thirdage.com/news/c.....z17jb2e2mW
# spidanyc December 10th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
In the postseason, CC hasn’t pitched like the ACE that he is getting paid to be.
I guess pitching to a 1.98 era in 2009 doesn’t count?
Joelsherman1 If Lee signs with #Yankees now, after this much batting eyes at #Rangers, will he get worse reception moving forward in Tex than A-Rod?
West Coast Yankee Fan December 10th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
christina12 – you are exactly right. Thanks for sharing your opinion here.
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Don’t you believe him, Christina. He’ll deny saying this in 30 minutes.
SJ44 December 10th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Two clueless people agreeing with one another.
How novel.
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SJ44,
You know everything dont you? For your information I have been married for 20 years and no I dont have a boyfriend. So sorry to burst your bubble.
needing to have knee surgery in the post season probably didn’t play any role in CC’s struggles, right?
Clownthrowindown,
After reading that article, there is NO WAY Lee goes to the Yankees. I frankly don’t blame him. I’d want to be close to my family especially with his son’s situation. He’s staying in Texas, just doing his due diligence with his accountant over the next few days to make sure he is not leaving much money on the table. Cash would be better off looking elsewhere right now.
# christina12 December 10th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
SJ44,
You know everything dont you? For your information I have been married for 20 years and no I dont have a boyfriend. So sorry to burst your bubble.
I feel sorry for the guy you married
Give Cliff the “family plan”… let him spend non-pitching days in Arkansas if he wants.
The Yankees can fly Lee home at an instant’s notice whenever he doesn’t pitch,if that’s what it takes…..At least if he signs with the Rangers,their budget will be blown to smithereens…
Christina12, when Jeter’s agent says *to the press* he is “baffled” by the (fair) offer from the Yankees, then it’s open season and Jeter deserved what he got in, including the “shop it” comment.
“Well there you go. There’s a good chance the wife doesn’t want to move, or has flat out refused to move.”
I had read that they aren’t moving no matter where he ends up. Thought they just built a place down in the Little Rock area. She’s a baseball wife and knows what comes with the territory. A couple extra Sunday’s at home isn’t worth millions of dollars.
Right SJ44. You and you totally fabricated “insider” nonsense that has led you to a throne on a blog.
“Joelsherman1 If Lee signs with #Yankees now, after this much batting eyes at #Rangers, will he get worse reception moving forward in Tex than A-Rod?”
From who?
christina12
“You know everything dont you? For your information I have been married for 20 years and no I dont have a boyfriend. So sorry to burst your bubble.”
Does your husband have a girlfriend?
I didn’t know that about their child. The whole Mrs. Lee thing kind of sounded like her being whiney until I read the article and realized there was more to it.
Mell December 10th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
?Joelsherman1 If Lee signs with #Yankees now, after this much batting eyes at #Rangers, will he get worse reception moving forward in Tex than A-Rod??
From who?
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Texas fans
Mell December 10th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
“Joelsherman1 If Lee signs with #Yankees now, after this much batting eyes at #Rangers, will he get worse reception moving forward in Tex than A-Rod?”
From who?
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From the Rangers fans. For going to the big, bad city to play for the Evil Empire.
Whatever you say West Coast.
Now go back and sit under Jon Heyman’s butt so he can dump more info on you.
You are agreeing with one of the biggest Red Sox trolls that inhibits this blog.
That makes you a fool. You wear it well.
Green,
I know he is being sarcastic. I dont understand why SJ44 thinks I’m a troll. I’m a Red Sox fan that tells it like it is. Sometimes by being honest I get in trouble. I do it for the Red Sox too. I’m not blind to their faults
Troll town today.
christina12 December 10th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
I think the reason why Lee didnt decided yet its because of the incident with the fans and the treatment of Jeter by the Yankee management. Jeter told them that he doesnt want to play for another team and they told him to test the market in the media of all places. Also I think Maddux and the Rangers management told him stories about Steinbrenner
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Troll – Go home. By the way GMS III died.
If the money is remotely close, it s often the personal things that matter, as they should. Like Lee’s son who as mentioned previously is in remission from Leukemia.
Benton, Arkansas is 295 air miles from Arlington. Lee could easily commute to work on a private jet, especially night games and keeping and in mind he only pitches every five days. This accommodation may be one of the perks they discussed- I doubt his teammates would object.
If the Yankees don’t land Lee, I’d rather they go after a few of the so-so veterans on the market like Brad Penny or Kevin Millwood then giving up some combo of Montero, Banuelos, Brackman, and Betances for a pitcher that is not an ace. Chances are they will have to settle for a Nolasco/Slowey type and I’m not giving up any of those guys for that. I don’t know why folks on here are quick to say Montero is out the door in a trade if the Yanks don’t get Lee. What starter that is available via trade is worth Montero? Unless King Felix, Price, Kershaw, Jimenez, Lincecum, or Josh Johnson is secretly available, I’m not trading Montero.
The next few years may be rough with an inferior rotation and aging position players but there will be a quick revival if Banuelos, Montero and Betances work out. Other than Hughes and Chamberlain, they haven’t had two promising pitchers like the “B’s” in their system in a long time.
If she is a Red Sox fan that does not make her a troll. I agree with her on Jeter as you know. I despise the Red Sox and always have. Challenge her, don’t insult her.
Diamondbacks in the market for a backup catcher (from ESPN)
Arizona general manager Kevin Towers is a major presence in this realm. Since the end of the season, Towers has acquired Zach Duke in a trade with Pittsburgh, sent Mark Reynolds to Baltimore for two young relievers, signed J.J. Putz to a two-year deal, picked up Geoff Blum and Melvin Mora and added veteran lefty Mike Hampton on a minor league contract. Meanwhile, all that speculation about a mega-deal involving Justin Upton amounted to a lot of smoke and no payoff.
Next on the agenda for the Diamondbacks: A backup catcher and a right-handed bat off the bench. The Diamondbacks will consider Jorge Cantu and former Padre Xavier Nady, among others.
Towers became adept at guerrilla warfare during his extended run as San Diego Padres general manager, so he’s in his comfort zone upgrading his roster incrementally, without a lot of flash.
“We’ve always tried to identify guys where maybe there’s some risk attached to it,” Towers said. “I’m talking about guys who are looking for bounce-back years or coming off bad years. Or guys that might be hurt, and you’re hoping they’re healthy again. For maybe a third of the teams, I would say that’s the market in which we shop.”
Sabthia’s 2010 postseason stats:
Playoffs Season to Date
Date Opponent Score Dec IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV BS IP ERA BAA
Oct 20 TEX W 7-2 W 6.0 11 2 2 1 0 7 2 0 0 0 16.0 5.62 .314
Oct 15 @ TEX W 6-5 – 4.0 6 5 5 1 4 3 1 0 0 0 10.0 7.20 .256
Oct 6 @ MIN W 6-4 W 6.0 5 4 3 1 3 5 1 0 0 0 6.0 4.50 .192
Total 16.0 22 11 10 3 7 15 2 0 0 0 16.0 5.62 .314
That’s more like how a #3 pitcher is supposed to pitch in the playoffs.
christina12 December 10th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Green,
I know he is being sarcastic. I dont understand why SJ44 thinks I’m a troll. I’m a Red Sox fan that tells it like it is. Sometimes by being honest I get in trouble. I do it for the Red Sox too. I’m not blind to their faults
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He was being serious. I was being sarcastic, Mrs, Einstein. Jesus….I hope that the rest of your relatives are brighter than you. The world needs no more like you.
Are people actually putting themselves in the shoes of a man who has a soon with leukemia and is facing a 160 million dollar decision? Who here has ever made a decision like that?
The hubris of some people is mind blowing.
***man who has a soon***
Lee has no soons
he might have a soon, but i think he has a son
Sabathia’s 2010 post season stats in easy to follow hexadecimal.
Nice job.
“From the Rangers fans. For going to the big, bad city to play for the Evil Empire”
Ah! I misread that. I’d like to think the answer is no. Unlike Rodriguez, he was traded there, rather than making a long term commitment. Beyond that, it sure seems like he’s giving Texas every opportunity to retain his services. Can’t really ask for more than that.
Will Yankees go to 8 years for Lee?
No
I think anyone can understand the Lee family’s position. It is very difficult to work away from one’s loved ones, and that can only be infinitely more difficult when one of their children is battling a life-threatening disease.
I am a Yankee fan, but as someone who prioritizes family, and whose spouse was recently diagnosed with cancer, I can tell you that I know what decision I would make if I was in their position. And, I am sure it has very little to do with the buffoonery often displayed by fans ANYWHERE in the world at sporting events. NYC and Dallas probably have lots in common where that is concerned.
I wish their family the best and hope their son lives a long, happy and healthy life.
While its safe to assume that everyone knows there are world class facilities and resources in NY and that the quality of life – especially in spring and summer – is fantastic, Cashman should have enlisted some recruiting help to sell the Lees on it. Its one thing to hear it from your buddy, but it may have been more sustantial coming from outsiders.
Maybe Cashman did, But it sounds like all he did was throw huge moneyr at them when he should have pulled out all the stops.
My husband doesnt have a girlfriend. I would know it if he did. Even though anything is possible I doubt it very much. I used to work in a hotel years ago and there was a guy who was working there for years. He was married for about 3 years. Sometimes he had to work overnight. One night he had his wife there to stay for the night. I imagine she either was suspecting that he was cheating on her or she wanted to be with him. They went for a dinner in the restaurant and she went upstairs in her room. Ten minutes after she went to her room, he came to the service desk where another woman was waiting for him. He hugged and kissed her and they went upstairs to her room. I was shocked to say the least. I asked the girl who was working on the desk and she told me that was his girlfriend. Imagine that.
Oh my god, where is the ignore button???
Reading that article is enlightening. I am sure the Texas group read it too.
Professionally, there is no question that Yankees are a better fit in every way, including financially. You’re talking Mike Mussina career numbers, with a better post-season resume, meaning borderling HOF if he comes to NY. Not the same with Texas, not even close. The union likely will pressure him a bit to take the biggest contract as well.
Personally, it is a different story. Seeing the kids during home stands in April and May, as well as September and October, does mean something. Making your wife happy means something.
I am sure that Cliff and Andy Pettitte have had a lot of conversations on these topics that are going unreported.
Oh well. As John Sterling says “You can’t predict baseball.”
clownthrowindown,
whats happening right now in the board room of apple? being that you seem to know everything?
Mike In Chicago – great post sir.
christina12,
Reading your post, i just realized those are 15 seconds I will never have back.
If Lee’s family situation is a problem if he plays in NY, then he should stay in Texas, and make that decision now.
When you’re talking about the general size of this contract, 10 mil difference is pretty meaningless.
“Cashman should have enlisted some recruiting help to sell the Lees on it”
Even if Lee decides on Texas, I’d have a hard time believing it was because Cashman’s presentation/pitch for the team and city was anything other than a top flight one.
Getting a glimpse on MLB network of how special 3,000 hits will be.
Can’t wait for season to start already -sigh-
Howe Farr,
I agree with you.
But Cliff’s son was diagnosed with leukemia 5 years ago. Thankfully, he beat the odds and is apparently healthy today.
Your point is a good one. Hopefully, at this point, a move to NY isn’t a major issue with regard to his son.
The Other Phil December 10th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Oh my god, where is the ignore button???
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I gotta believe that her husband thinks about calling in Jack Kevorkian at least once a day.
“Imagine that”. LMAO
No journalism awards will be given today but if they were christina12 would have to be considered.
Didnt CC pitch the entire post season with a tear in his knee? He still gutted out that win in Game 5 against Texas with the season on line.
Also, he was pretty darn good in 2009 … ALCS MVP if I am not mistaken.
Cashman shouldnt give him 8 years. That is crazy. If the guy doesnt want to pitch for New York let him go. Cashman will look desperate if he does that. That will lead to other players doing the same thing to get what they want. If he doesnt get him he can trade for a pitcher.
I told him that when Werth signed his deal, I began to think it would take seven years to get Lee. Whoever was willing to go there would win.
As for spending beyond Lee, I really can’t tell. I’m sure there are some things they’re spending on, but Cashman specifically said there are certain moves he’s not making right now because he wants to wait for a Lee answer.
spidanyc December 10th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Sabthia’s 2010 postseason stats:
Playoffs Season to Date
Date Opponent Score Dec IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV BS IP ERA BAA
Oct 20 TEX W 7-2 W 6.0 11 2 2 1 0 7 2 0 0 0 16.0 5.62 .314
Oct 15 @ TEX W 6-5 – 4.0 6 5 5 1 4 3 1 0 0 0 10.0 7.20 .256
Oct 6 @ MIN W 6-4 W 6.0 5 4 3 1 3 5 1 0 0 0 6.0 4.50 .192
Total 16.0 22 11 10 3 7 15 2 0 0 0 16.0 5.62 .314
That’s more like how a #3 pitcher is supposed to pitch in the playoffs.
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How about 2009 when he racked up 4 wins 1 Loss and a ND where Joba cost him a win with a late game HR in the WS Game 4. Come on dude.
Please christina12 no more baseball, more hotel desk stories they are forte.
Thanks for the answer back, Chad. Much appreciated. I was hoping that he’d make a run at Kerry Wood or Down, but, they don’t seem to be in much of a hurry, either.
Chad Jennings December 10th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
….Cashman specifically said there are certain moves he’s not making right now because he wants to wait for a Lee answer.
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Tweet that brother!!!
Brett: You left out Mo Vaughn
“Will Yankees to Go 8 years for Lee?”
I guess you don’t read, the Yankees stated they have given Lee their final offer, it’s now up to Lee to decide where he plays. This is not going to drag on forever, even though it feels that way.
I don’t feel the need to challenge a Red Sox troll, that comes on this site simply to state her negative thoughts about the Yankees. If you support the RS troll, what does that say about you?
Wood, Downs and all the late inning relievers out there are waiting on Rafael Soriano…Benoit being the exception…understandably.
If the Yanks do sign Cliff Lee, I’d really hope they’d consider losing a 2nd rd pick to sign Downs.
He is AL East tested and has been outstanding over the past several seasons.
Bullpen arms are seemingly always risky, but I’d think a guy like Downs would carry much less risk than someone from the NL or someone with less of a track record.
RhapsodyInBlue December 10th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Please christina12 no more baseball, more hotel desk stories they are forte.
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You little masochist, you.
Chad Jennings December 10th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
I told him that when Werth signed his deal, I began to think it would take seven years to get Lee. Whoever was willing to go there would win.
As for spending beyond Lee, I really can’t tell. I’m sure there are some things they’re spending on, but Cashman specifically said there are certain moves he’s not making right now because he wants to wait for a Lee answer.
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And I bet Martin is not one of those moves he is not making, as some here seem to believe. In fact I believe he has made Martin an offer. Martin’s contract is not going to be a budget buster by any means.
GreenBeret7 December 10th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Thanks for the answer back, Chad. Much appreciated. I was hoping that he’d make a run at Kerry Wood or Down, but, they don’t seem to be in much of a hurry, either.
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I still believe Wood lands a closer’s gig somewhere. Would be great to have him back for the 8th but I’m just not feeling it. Best of luck to him if he lands somewhere else. I always liked him and was genuinely disappointed when he (or rather the Cubs) blew his arm out.
CC carried the team at a time when Andy was injured, Phil was approaching his innings limit, AJ and Javy were unravelling…how is that not an ace?
If Lee doesn’t sign with NY, it won’t be because of Cash recruitment efforts. It worked well enough with CC and Tex.
If the story about Lee’s son having leukemia is true, then I wish him the best, obviously. It’s a horrible thing to go through. People do grow attached to their doctors. However, I can tell you that pediatric cancer therapies are highly protocolized, so one can get exactly the same treatment regimen anywhere in the country. And, NY does happen to have a few top-flight pediatric specialists. So, while there may well be some emotional things there, the nuts and bolts of treatment are the same.
Again, as has been pointed out, Lee has been looking forward to being a FA for years. I have to think he has spent a lot of time thinking about every aspect of living everywhere. Now, it may come down to crunching every number every which way. And, that can take time. Why rush things now?
LOL Pettitte might get 16M out of this is Lee signs back in TX
Al – ridiculous to ask if I “support” someone. What is an election or an elitist club? It’s a open forum where anyone can express their opinions on baseball. People here throw this word troll around whenever they disagree with someone or have a conflict with them. Ruby Tuesday is a troll – he doesn’t give an opinion. I don’t think Christina fits that description.
“CC carried the team at a time when Andy was injured, Phil was approaching his innings limit, AJ and Javy were unravelling…how is that not an ace?”
Exactly. He was the Yankees 2010 MVP, IMO.
Shocking that Christina has reappeared now that the Red Sox have “won” another offseason.
Luckily she will disappear once winning really matters. We can only hope she takes West Coast with her this year
I’m ready to tell Lee to go F himself and have the Yankees take their chances with what they have going into 2011.
I said this before the 2008 season when we passed on Johan Santana (thank god): we can’t win it every year, try as we might.
Better to make good business decisions and not get raked over the coals.
Too much is too much and Cliff Lee is asking too much.
The Other Phil December 10th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
GreenBeret7 December 10th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Thanks for the answer back, Chad. Much appreciated. I was hoping that he’d make a run at Kerry Wood or Down, but, they don’t seem to be in much of a hurry, either.
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I still believe Wood lands a closer’s gig somewhere. Would be great to have him back for the 8th but I’m just not feeling it. Best of luck to him if he lands somewhere else. I always liked him and was genuinely disappointed when he (or rather the Cubs) blew his arm out.
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I’m not sure that teams feel his arm can hold up pitching 3-4 days in a row. I don’t think other teams would sign him for closer money. He’s truly perfect as an 8th inning set-up spot, though.
christina12 December 10th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
My husband doesnt have a girlfriend. I would know it if he did. Even though anything is possible I doubt it very much. I used to work in a hotel years ago and there was a guy who was working there for years. He was married for about 3 years. Sometimes he had to work overnight. One night he had his wife there to stay for the night. I imagine she either was suspecting that he was cheating on her or she wanted to be with him. They went for a dinner in the restaurant and she went upstairs in her room. Ten minutes after she went to her room, he came to the service desk where another woman was waiting for him. He hugged and kissed her and they went upstairs to her room. I was shocked to say the least. I asked the girl who was working on the desk and she told me that was his girlfriend. Imagine that.
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Touching story with a familiar ring like in Jason Varitek caught fooling around on his wife with Heidi Watney.
No wonder why he plays for $2M this year with incentives of $300,000 to help pay for some alimony. He wears the “C” on his uniform as a reminder.
SJ44 -
You not only have the pulse of what’s going on in baseball, but, know your right on the money with the troll’s and troll lovers on this site, another bullseye shot.
LGY – Good luck.
GreenBeret7 December 10th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
I’m not sure that teams feel his arm can hold up pitching 3-4 days in a row. I don’t think other teams would sign him for closer money. He’s truly perfect as an 8th inning set-up spot, though.
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For his sake, I hope his arm can handle that. With the way this off-season has gone, I am expecting someone to throw him closer money and hand him the gig. Worse moves have been made in the past and if I didn’t trust my closer (or didn’t have one), I’d go in on Wood.
christina,
How do you feel about the Crawford signing?
LGY -
One can only dream it will happen, but then again some dreams turn out to be nightmares.
Guys .. take it easy on Christina , ok she’s a red sox fan.. not the anti christ… I live in Rhode Island and deal with it everyday ! . . . You get use to it .
I didnt like it one bit when word went around about Varitek cheating on his wife. Watney is a twit for going out with a married man. After Varitek she started going out with Nick Green. From one player to the next. She should have been fired.
If they don’t get Lee.
I try to get Pettitte to come back
Trade for a back end innings eater with a 1 year contract
Get some good arms for the pen
See what develops at the deadline
……… then she could have worked in the hotel.
I’m ready to tell Cliff to go F himself as well. Tired of the charades. Either take 161 million dollars for 7 years with a chance to win the World Series all 7 of those years with an established franchise at the highest level of competition ( AL East ), or go shoot deer in Texas in the laid back AL West.
Pretty simple decision to make. For anyone.
Have a good day folks.
Now there’s something that you’ll never see anywhere else except from a Boston fan. A female blaming the other woman because a Boston player was cheating on his wife.
Christina . . Heidi Watney is soooooooooooo HOT !! . . I mean SMOKING HOT !! . . she’s in my top ten !! . . . I hate the Red Sox . .and NESN . .but sometimes she makes it worth while !!
She’s a 10
Mike Ri,
I live in Boston. I also live with it every day.
But not every Sox fan comes to a Yankee blog trying to annoy and get a rise out of others.
Only the really lonely ones do…
Mike RI,
I was (believe it or not) hanging out at Jason Varitek’s house back when he was dating Heidi. I wanted to ask him about her… but he’s a big man.
Mike Ri,
I live in Boston. I also live with it every day.
But not every Sox fan comes to a Yankee blog trying to annoy and get a rise out of others.
Only the really lonely ones do?
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Yeah . .your right Boston D.. . .
Everything about these 2 organizations is as polar opposite as you can get.
Texas is minor league actions with fire works for home runs and using the antlers and other little league gestures til exhaustion. Just the way their FO has negotiated (or tried to, asking what Lee would take at the lowest to come there) is telling.
The Yankees are all class and an established train that will keep on moving, with or without Mr. Lee.
Yes, there bias in my statements.. but also straight truth.
I heard there are a bunch of free agents that refuse to sign with the red soxs because their wives are worried about a certain reporter….
….see, i just made that up, much like christina makes up stories. See how easy it is? Its based on no reality whatsoever, but its really easy to do.
Boston D. . . — you should have ! . . I would have . .!!
Mike Ri -
Here you go, now everyone can see what your talking about.
Heidi the “Hottie”
http://www.heidiwatney.net/hei.....image2.htm
JK,
If we don’t get Lee it doesn’t mean Pettitte will get more than he’s worth.
I’m sorry, he’s my favorite pitcher on the Yankees, but there is a line.
I’ll go into 2011 with CC, AJ, Hughes, Nova, and whoever else and be perfectly fine with us taking our chances. Better than getting raked over the coals for Lee. He is not worth that length in a contract.
Mike RI,
It was kind of strange, actually. There are pictures of him with his ex-wife and kids still hanging up all over the house. (between you and me, his wife was annoying… the christina type
)
Later on he started getting ready for the game that night and I noticed he was covered in bruises.
I did ask him how many of those were from Daisuke pitches and he just laughed.
He also laughed pretty hard when he found out I was a Yankee fan
why are you guys even giving the trolls the time of day??
just don’t respond. they’re trying to get a rise out of you and are doing so with gusto.
Patrick,
I have my reservations about this deal. I think they overpaid him both in years and dollars. I dont think he is worth 20 million. Maybe 17 or 18. But I understand why they did it. Like I said the crazy Nationals gave Werth all those years and money and the Red Sox had no choice but to give all that money. I’m also concerned that Agon if he doesnt have an agreement right now he will ask for more. If Crawford got 20 he may demand 25. Gonzalez is definetely worth that much.
LOL Big Al !! .. Man what a hottie !
Chase December 10th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Everything about these 2 organizations is as polar opposite as you can get.
Texas is minor league actions with fire works for home runs and using the antlers and other little league gestures til exhaustion. Just the way their FO has negotiated (or tried to, asking what Lee would take at the lowest to come there) is telling.
The Yankees are all class and an established train that will keep on moving, with or without Mr. Lee.
Yes, there bias in my statements.. but also straight truth.
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Well said – and for that you get the yankee wrestling belt for the day!!! (kidding)
christina,
Ok you are wrong about Lee and Jeter but you do tell the truth. Not a troll
It was kind of strange, actually. There are pictures of him with his ex-wife and kids still hanging up all over the house. (between you and me, his wife was annoying? the christina type )
Later on he started getting ready for the game that night and I noticed he was covered in bruises.
I did ask him how many of those were from Daisuke pitches and he just laughed.
He also laughed pretty hard when he found out I was a Yankee fan
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LOL LOL thats cool !! . .seems like a decent guy !! . . ( except the cheating part .. and red sox part ) ..
Can only think of a handful of teams that could use a close-Indians, Blue Jays, Rays, Pirates, Nationals.
I love how Red Sox fans get two players and suddenly think its the huge difference and puts them way over the top on the Yankees.
They pick up AGon and CC, both of whom are solid ballplayers, and yet their offense still is not as good as the Yankees.
Every one of our infielders is better than every one of the Red Sox infielders excepting maybe a draw between Teix and AGon.
Granderson is better than Elllsbury. Swisher is better than Drew. CC is obviously better than Gardner power wise but Gardner is about $19.5 million cheaper than CC.
Just back from the pool, couple of the local Sox contingent were there. After 20 minutes of gloating to each other I told them enough already, talk about the the Pats or the Ravens or something it’s getting old.
“closer”
back from the pool—
?? its 22 degrees here in Providence , Rhode Island ! . . lol
Mike RI,
he is a decent guy, aside from a few obvious on-field occasions (ARod cheap shot comes to mind)
he’s told me on several occasions that the Red Sox front office have, for all intents and purposes, treated him like crap.
in context, this was over the summer where he wanted lots of money and the Sox correctly figured he couldn’t get it elsewhere so they offered him much less.
but he didn’t have many kind words for them.
several Red Sox, actually, have told me they’d play for the Yankees because the Sox management wasn’t treating them well (i.e. not paying them what they wanted when they wanted it)
that said, I can’t necessarily argue with the Sox for treating it like a business.
But the players themselves realize that the Sox front office can “be that way”
I see why Crawford signed with the RS, he’s looking forward to coming out of the shower, and having Heidi hand him the towel, lol.
Now I really have to go.
Green,
I blame both of them. Varitek is responsible as much as Watney.He was married with kids and she knew he was married. I dont like people who cheat.
so heidi watney is red hot and all she could get was a nick green?!!?! What Pokey Reese wasn’t available? Heck at least Hazel Mae was able to bag francona and she isn’t half as hot…
Hey guys, Russell Martin is a significantly better all round ballplayer and catcher than Cervelli….Remember, Martin is playing for his future in 2011……I’ve been watching him since he came up and he was a top tier catcher before getting hurt and playing hurt for some time……He’d be an asset in the Bronx
Re: MLB players cheating
I can only speak to the Red Sox circa 2004-2005.
But I’d say of the 25 guys on the roster, maybe 2-3 of them weren’t regularly cheating on their wives (at least there was no proof).
I doubt this is only an issue with the Sox.
Hi, Pat M. – I understand his hip injury was pretty bad. Do you have any info as to how well he’s recovered?
This leukemia issue is being overblown in my opinion. If it were that much of an issue, Lee would have cut off the negotiations long before this.
Mind you, if it were one of my kids, I would want to be where the best doctors in the world are–and there are some good ones in Manhattan.
Mad Prince,
You never know who is going to win. I never thought the Giants were going to win it. How many people predicted that? Even with all the impovements the Red Sox made you cant be sure. In the course of the season people get injured things change. The only thing you can do is put the best team that you possibly can and take your chances.
Cliff Lee should be forced to read this thread over and over until he makes a decision.
That would invariably speed up his decision making by orders of magnitude.
Christina12 is back? Seriously? And people are engaging her?
Dire times indeed, Mr. Lee.
Yankee Trader December 10th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Can only think of a handful of teams that could use a close-Indians, Blue Jays, Rays, Pirates, Nationals.
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Mets, Angels, Marlins, Braves, Rays, Dodgers…
Heck at least Hazel Mae was able to bag francona and she isn’t half as hot…
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Is there evidence of this?
Joe from Long Island…….I heard it was a hairline fracture which should heal on it’s own…..I’ve had my left hip replaced twice and just last year I fractured it and I’m still not right…..Although my situation required a hip reduction procedure, Martin was told rest and rehab…..I watched him try to limp off the field and my thoughts were Bo Jackson injury……His Meds must be alright for clubs to be willing to sign him……..You’re The LoHuds resident Doc, what’s your take ???? Martin can hit
So I guess a fan of another team cannot engage others in conversation on this Yankees blog?
Another unwritten blog rule?
Welcome back, Chrstina. Please feel free to post here anytime. We all respect the Red Sox as our competition and their fans.
The Lee negotiation is all about money.
If his “heart was really in Texas” because that’s where “he wants to be” he’d already would have re-signed with them. He and his agent are just trying to get an extra million or 10 out of the Yankees.
pat m
how is Martin as a defensive catcher, we know he can hit
Pat – Agree, re: Martin. Could be a very nice signing… hope he doesn’t go to the RS.
Martin could hit.
Pat M. – thanks for the compliment – I think
To me, not needing surgery is a good sign. As you undoubtedly know, you never want to be cut on. So, if conservative management was all that was needed, he should be good to go. Keep in mind, though, that I’m not an orthopedic surgeon, but, that’s how it seems to me. I have to think the Yankees have done their due diligence. If he can play, then no reason to think he can’t regain his form, at least behind the plate.
Heidi Watney is not hot, just a little above average, imo. She may be hot for a sports commentator. A truly hot girl would not **** Varitek unless it was pure gold digging.
“We had a very productive meeting,” Greenberg said. “After everything that happened late Wednesday, especially the Carl Crawford signing, we felt the market dynamics had shifted and we needed to be proactive and aggressive to reach out to Cliff, Kristen and Darek Braunecker.
“We proposed a menu of multiple offers, we restated how important it was to have them a part of the Rangers family and our commitment to winning a world championship. We talked about the lifestyle in Texas and how it worked for them.”
“I think we made a very favorable impression,” Greenberg said. “What that amounts to, only they can decide. The competition has been very aggressive, and we wanted to reverse the tide and stay in the game. In doing so, we wanted to stay consistent with the franchise’s short-term and long-term goals. We did that, and now we wait.”
http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/n.....8;c_id=tex
Martin had such a strong season in 2008. Really looked like he was going to break out and be a year in and out all star type catcher. Even before the injury, his performance the past two years was very odd in it’s decline, both offensively and defensively.
Really strange how he just seemed to deteriorate while still so young.
He’s still far better than Cervelli. Just not the guy he looked like he was going to be.
He is a guy that you could see rebounding a bit like Swisher did after that awful season in Chicago.
“Greenberg did not go into the terms of the contract proposals. He said the economics of the proposals were complicated.”
Complicated? Either you ponied up the cash or you didn’t Greenberg.
““We had a very productive meeting,” Greenberg said.”
If I had $100 for every time I heard someone say they had a good meeting, I’d be an extremely wealthy man.
mick…..before he was hurt in mid 2009, I thought he was a top 5-7 catcher in baseball….He has a tendency to chuck the ball more than he should but he was good in controling the running game, was smart behind the plate and was a soild hitting catcher…..Tough guy, but he played injured which is different than playing hurt……
NEW YORK—Following weeks of tense negotiations, the New York Yankees finally agreed Wednesday to a $51 million, three-year deal to bring back the team’s much-loved mascot Derek Jeter. “This decision was for the fans, because so many of them come to games just to look at Derek or take pictures with him,” Yankees GM Brian Cashman told reporters, adding that the mascot’s presence alone is enough to boost team morale. “With his goofy smile and antics on the field, he makes Yankee Stadium a family experience. Kids just love the hilarious way he swings and misses at pitches and struggles to cover ground at shortstop.” Cashman hinted that Derek Jeter would have an updated appearance this season, with an improved, slightly balder look
“his performance the past two years was very odd in it’s decline, both offensively and defensively.”
Offensively yes, but his 2009 and 2010 numbers look strong defensively. I’ve never followed him particularly though. Why do you think he’s declining defensively?
I want $100 for everytime someone says “it’s a process”
““I think we made a very favorable impression,” Greenberg said. “What that amounts to, only they can decide. The competition has been very aggressive, and we wanted to reverse the tide and stay in the game. In doing so, we wanted to stay consistent with the franchise’s short-term and long-term goals. We did that, and now we wait.” ”
That’s a statement that seems very geared to the Rangers fan base.
What that amounts to, only they can decide?
Total dollar figures aren’t particularly hard to interpret. Not a lot of nuance there.
Thank you start wearing pink. Its just that I enjoy the conversation here and that is the reason I come here no to troll or to tease anybody.
Why not just trade Montero and Chamberlain to KC for Greinke? Chamberlain isn’t even talked about anymore so why not trade him. Save tons of money still have your young pitchers. Sign Russell Martin and bridge it over until Sanchez is ready. Worse thing that happens is Greinke goes belly up next season. Seven years of Cliff Lee is alot more dangerous. He already has had back problems.
Hahaha that’s harsh Jerkface
wernerman,
I’d sign Lee to a 7 year deal if my alternative is trading Joba/Montero for Greinke.
Jerkface-
Is that from The Onion?
jerkface,
what if cliff lee’s wife reads that? what will she think?!
pat m
would you agree there is no room for martin and cervelli?
why was that deal for them squashed?
wouldn’t martin cut into montero p/t?
Jerkface-is that from the Onion?
Hilarious, BTW.
I think Lee and his wife are reading this blog as we speak, watch what you say.
BloggingBombers Gardner-Jeter-Teix-ARod-Cano-Swish-Grandy-Posada-Montero not bad either RT @ch029448 Sox batting order 1-6 is RIDICULOUSLY scary! Holy cow!
BloggingBombers If I’m making out the Yankees’ lineup, Gardner is my leadoff hitter. Led the Yankees in OBP last year. Can score 120 runs & steal 50-60 bags
LGY December 10th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
“Greenberg did not go into the terms of the contract proposals. He said the economics of the proposals were complicated.”
Complicated? Either you ponied up the cash or you didn’t Greenberg.
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It is very common to be creative when you are trying to make a big dollar contract work, we do it all the time. I think that may be why the billionaire pipeline partner, his name escapes me, attended the meeting yesterday. There are many ways to define and contribute value to a deal other than writing a check.
Jerkface’s Jeter jab of the day
If they don’t get Lee, it looks like Montero is a goner. That would be a crime.
JFace
Why don’t you think Jeter can bounce back?
Do you know for a fact that he wasn’t hurt last year?
If Montero can actually catch adequately at the major league level, there is no pitcher on the market I would trade him for.
The problem is, I don’t know – none of us do – if Montero can catch adequately at the major league level. At this point I think you have to defer to the Yankee’s judgment.
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Martin’s first couple of season he was very athletic and quick behind the plate. It’s anecdotal – but he hasn’t looked as active the past couple of season.
Pat M would have a better sense of this than me. But that’s how it’s struck me. And people in LA have commented on how his defense has also taken a step back.
wernerman says:
December 10, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Why not just trade Montero and Chamberlain to KC for Greinke? Chamberlain isn’t even talked about anymore so why not trade him?
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If no one talks about Joba anymore, why would KC want him?
No one talks about Kei Igawa either. Can we send him too?
The Royals haven’t approached other clubs about possible Zack Greinke trades, according to Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star (on Twitter)
Huh…?
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I should also say on Martin’s defense – he did look injured and hampered physically and I thought that was the likely reason why he didn’t look as quick and agile behind the plate.
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Fair enough. But Martin did throw out a career high 39% of runners last year. That’s impressive.
Hey, Cliff Lee, how long does it take to make a decision? Pick a team, dammit.
Do you want an opt out clause like CC?
“With his goofy smile and antics on the field, he makes Yankee Stadium a family experience. Kids just love the hilarious way he swings and misses at pitches and struggles to cover ground at shortstop.”
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This is obviously a fake article. If it were real, the quote would be about the way he hilariously grounds out to SS.
KC is probably looking for middle infielders/outfielders prospects back in a Greinke deal. I don’t think the Yanks are sufficiently competitive in that area to swing a Greinke deal even if the Yanks were inclined to try to get him.
New Post: Winter Meetings moves that might have worked for Yanks
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This was something I remember on Martin from the season before last:
A scout’s take on Martin from 2009:
“Dodgers catcher Russell Martin: “You talk about a young player growing old before our very eyes. His bat is slowing down, and he’s not moving very well behind the plate. I don’t know what’s wrong with him.””
https://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9073
CB…You hit it on Martin….He’s quickness was lost , in fact Joe Torre tried to do what worked for him, go play 3rd base ( not good there ) …..His back looked slow because his legs and hips slowed down….Bottom line he played too long being injured…..Is it Jerkface or Jerkoff ???? As I put out there yesterday, I’ll bet you on Jeter’s 2011 season….You pay me $ 2.00 dollars on every % point above .270 & I’ll pay you #.00 dollars on every point below last season’s ,270
“& I’ll pay you #.00 dollars on every point below last season’s ,270″
See, this is probably why you are dangerous to bet against.
Then, if Martin is declining both offensively AND defensively, and Boston would give him more playing time, I say, I hope he goest to Boston.
“goest”
is that a derivative of ghost?
Well if the Yankees don’t have the prospects to get Greinke, they are out of luck if Cliff Hanger decides to go to Texas. That is reality. Something most of the people don’t even want to think about around here. I was a Yankee fan during the years when they were losing, I hope all you people will stick with them next season if things don’t work out.