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Is today the day?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 13, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

There is no guarantee this will be the day, but at the very least, this is the first day when it seems reasonable to think the Cliff Lee sweepstakes could come an end.

Lee took his time getting offers. Now he’s taking his time choosing a team. There’s big money on the table, a lot of years on the line, and for the Yankees there is no obvious Plan B unless Brian Cashman has a significant trick up his sleeve.

Is this is the day Cliff Lee’s destination comes into focus?

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227 Responses to “Is today the day?”

  1. Carl December 13th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    I hope so.

  2. Mike Ri December 13th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    Good Luck Yanks !! . . I hope we get him !

  3. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 13th, 2010 at 9:03 am

    “…and for the Yankees there is no obvious Plan B unless Brian Cashman has a significant trick up his sleeve.”

    Obvious is the operative word. Why would Cashman show his hand at this point. I’m sure he has a Plan B and a Plan C. Whether or not they thrill the world is a different story.

  4. jackamir December 13th, 2010 at 9:05 am

    Crap or get off the pot!!!! It’s been painfull…. If he doesn’t pick the Yankees how will he be received at the Stadium. Like Lebron in Cleveland.

  5. rodg12 December 13th, 2010 at 9:07 am

    Like Lebron in Cleveland? C’mon now. Get real…

  6. BIG AL December 13th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Jason Voorhees December 13th, 2010 at 8:55 am Repost

    ********************************************
    What is it you do not understand, Lee is 26-22 the past 2 years, while pitching in weaker divisions, was 4-6 with Texas, 3.98 ERA, was 0-2 in the WS with a 6.94 ERA. Lee may pitch well against the Yankees, by the way AJ did also, but, he is sub .500 against the AL East, the very teams you need an ace to beat.

    Even if Lee comes to the Yankees, CC will still remain the ace of the staff, while Lee will struggle to get you 16 wins per season. I’m sorry if the numbers don’t fit with your way of thinking, but, as they say, numbers don’t lie.

  7. Mell December 13th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    “I’m sure he has a Plan B and a Plan C. Whether or not they thrill the world is a different story”

    Agreed. Hard to imagine Cashman not being prepared should Lee decide to go the other way.

  8. BIG AL December 13th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Back in a bit ………….

  9. pat December 13th, 2010 at 9:10 am

    pgammo Mystery, Alaska in on Lee?

    Is Gammons really the best person to be mocking someone for furthering someone elses agenda?

  10. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 9:10 am

    Even if Lee comes to the Yankees, CC will still remain the ace of the staff, while Lee will struggle to get you 16 wins per season. I’m sorry if the numbers don’t fit with your way of thinking, but, as they say, numbers don’t lie.

    ___

    The win argument is meaningless now. Felix won the Cy Young with 13 wins. Lee is an excellent pitcher, but played half his games for the same team ad Felix. Lee can win more games in NY.

    4 years until Felix is a FA by the way.

  11. Angelo Silecchio December 13th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    I have a good feeling today is the day! Although I do not have a good feeling about what his choice will be =\. Hopefully I’m wrong though.

    http://sportsthunderdome.blogspot.com/

  12. Gary December 13th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    Certaintly hope so, up or down Mr Lee.

    I think in my mind the operative word is damage control. I hope Mr Cashman has a damage control plan in place and that it happens quickly. Media will go nuts and spin Lee going elsewhere endlessly. Hard to argue against the notion that the big fish and the other fish got away while the Yanks were focused on Lee. The Yanks will need to land that big fish elsewhere.

  13. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    and at this point, we have spent so much time on Cliff Lee that many have probably figured out other ways to spend 25 M…..

    I am personally still wishing the Dan Haren Trade worked out.

  14. Gary December 13th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Boys let us down last night, win over Philly would have improved our chances. Deshaun Jackson is almost impossible to cover the whole game and when he gets out there in the open field look out.

  15. raymagnetic December 13th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    If he comes he comes, if he doesn’t he doesn’t.

    Lee has never pitched for a WS winner and the Yankees have never won a WS with Cliff Lee as a pitcher.

    In fact they beat a team that Cliff Lee was pitching for. The Yankees won a WS with virtually the same rotation they have now.

    I hate that people think the Yankees can’t win a WS unless Lee pitches for them next year.

  16. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    The Yankees don’t need to do their work around how Boston or the NYC Media portrays them. I would be ok with a bunch of small deals if they worked out.

  17. pat December 13th, 2010 at 9:15 am

    craigcalcaterra I spoke with the Mystery Team GM. He had no comment. http://tinyurl.com/5nqahv

    :lol:

  18. blake December 13th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    The Yanks will find a way to improve the team if Lee opts to stay in Texas….still don’t think he will though.

  19. randy l. December 13th, 2010 at 9:20 am

    for some comic relief on yankees getting cliff lee:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....&NR=1

    i know this guy must be on the blog.

    just trying to figure out who he is

  20. Gary December 13th, 2010 at 9:21 am

    Ray

    Lee has never pitched for a WS winner and the Yankees have never won a WS with Cliff Lee as a pitcher.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    But they sure have done well with Dominant Lefty Handers like CC and Andy. Left handers do well in Yankee Stadium, I think Lee helps us tremendiously if he’s on the team.

  21. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Lee has never pitched for a WS winner and the Yankees have never won a WS with Cliff Lee as a pitcher.

    __

    Can say the same about CC before he came to the Yankees.

  22. Mell December 13th, 2010 at 9:26 am

    “I hate that people think the Yankees can’t win a WS unless Lee pitches for them next year.”

    I hate that the Yankees are acting like it.

  23. raymagnetic December 13th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    “But they sure have done well with Dominant Lefty Handers like CC and Andy. Left handers do well in Yankee Stadium, I think Lee helps us tremendiously if he’s on the team.”

    Sure lefties do well in the stadium, doesn’t mean they need Cliff Lee.

    “Can say the same about CC before he came to the Yankees.”

    Sure can, but now CC has a ring and Cliff Lee doesn’t. CC won a ring with virtually the same rotation the Yankees have now.

    Sorry but I dont’ believe the Yankees need Cliff Lee. A need and a want is too different things. They needed CC, they don’t need Cliff Lee.

  24. 108 stitches December 13th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    It’s been quite a show since last Monday. Between agents, media, and team officials, they’ve all improved their skills as master puppeteers toward one another.
    Every one of them wants a breaking news exclusive or in the case of the team not getting the player they wanted, it’s broken news.

  25. Howe Farr December 13th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    “the Yankees have never won a WS with Cliff Lee as a pitcher.”

    This isnt a good argument, its just a fact like saying:

    the Yankees have never won a WS with Bob Gibson as a pitcher.
    the Yankees have never won a WS with Sandy Koufax as a pitcher.
    the Yankees have never won a WS with Pedro Martinez as a pitcher.
    the Yankees have never won a WS with Satchel Paige as a pitcher.
    the Yankees have never won a WS with Nolan Ryan as a pitcher.
    the Yankees have never won a WS with Greg Maddux as a pitcher.

    or
    I have never been to Canada

    or
    Don Mattingly has never said hi to me

    or
    many many other things.

  26. randy l. December 13th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    “I hate that people think the Yankees can’t win a WS unless Lee pitches for them next year.”

    i think that’s a phase that some yankee fans went through when boston frost signed AG and CC.

    but when you look closer, boston has some big problems with their rotation and bullpen.

    i also think that in any negotiation that is pushed to it’s outer limits that there is a buyer’s remorse backlash that starts to sink in.

    i think some of us on the blog are feeling that.

    on the other hand if we knew the yankees were getting a tom glavine like age32-age39 then we’d take it in a heartbeat.

    i’m just not sure that lee has the intelligence that glavine had to make the adjustments as he ages. not saying he doesn’t, but if a pitcher is going to age well, you’ve got to look at his make up.

  27. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    I don’t believe the yankees NEED lee, but it would be nice.

  28. Erin December 13th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    The suspense is terrible. I hope it’ll last
    -Willy Wonka.

    :)

  29. Abe Peterham December 13th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Nice AP photo.

    Yanks will be fun to watch w or w/o lee.
    The nauseating sports talk if we don’t get him will be painful. Truthfully I’d rather see some minor league guy get a chance than an obnoxious 7 yr contract.

  30. 86w183 December 13th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    I want Lee, but it isn’t absolutely critical to get him.

    The Yanks have plenty to offer in trade for an arm or two (Pettite?) if it comes to that.

  31. RadioKev December 13th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    I’m glad I’m “not that bad…”

    meanwhile..
    ——–

    BIG AL December 13th, 2010 at 8:43 am
    RadioKev December 13th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    Over the past three years Cliff Lee has been out pitching CC Sabathia. Now I understand some ridiculous people also aren’t impressed with CC Sabathia, but I will say, I’m impressed by that.

    *****************************************************

    You used the past 3 years, so you could include the one great season Lee had in 2008, 22-3, but, if you look at the last 2 years Lee’s 26-25. CC in the last 3 years is 57-25, compared to Lee at 48-25, but in the past 2 years CC is 40-15. CC is getting better, providing more wins, while Lee’s numbers are going down. It’s all about wins, and what have you done lately. CC is worth more than Lee, and CC has been doing it in the tough AL East, Lee has been pitching against weaker teams, and is sub .500 against the AL East teams.

    ———

    Well you can go ahead and assess performance solely based on wins. The rest of the world will continue to use a few other things, like ERA…WHIP…IP…you know, just to name a few. Last year, CC did have a marginally better ERA, but besides that Lee pitched more innings and had a much better WHIP. Lee has also played on an awful Indians team, and an awful Mariners team which contributes to a poor record.

    Over the past 3 years Lee has been the better pitcher. That doesn’t mean in the next 3 years he’ll continue to be better, or he’s had a better career, but to anyone “not impressed” with Lee – well that’s just laughable.

    Oh yes, and as to Lee not pitching on a WS winning team, he sure as heck to the Yankees to the cleaners in 2009. 2 wins in the World Series. 2 losses this year, but the guy did also play an unspeakably hot (lucky) Giants team.

    Please stop trying to convince yourselves Lee isn’t any good and not worth the time and money. If we sign him, no one will even remember this negotiation come September when he’s making clutch starts for us.

  32. RadioKev December 13th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    I don’t think anyone would argue that it’s impossible for the Yankees to win the World Series over the next 7 years without Cliff Lee.

    Does having him help? I’d say it certainly would. I’d say he’s also more of a sure thing than Grienke would be, than Nova would be, then any other pitcher on the FA market, and on the speculative trade market as well.

    But then again, having the best team on paper doesn’t help you win the World Series. See the Giants for that example.

  33. RayVT December 13th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Of course I am hopeful that the Yanks sign Lee and I wish it is announced today! LOL! But the whatif he doesn’t sign with the Yanks scenario could be still a great option for the Yanks.

    If Lee goes to Texas or elsewhere, then the Yanks need to find 2 SP. If Andy is one, then who is the other. Or if Andy goes then 2 are needed. Suppose the Yanks stay pat and use their own players for SP and perhaps sign Kerry Wood as a setup guy.

    SP1-CC
    SP2-PH
    SP3-AJ
    SP4-Joba
    SP5-Mitre

    CL-Mo
    SU-Wood

    Joba has so much potential that I think he deserves another shot as a SP w/o all the Joba rules or innings limits. He is cost controlled and has a mixed review on his performances. I’d like to see him get another shot!

    Mitre could be an effective change of pace guy. A sinkerball pitcher who gets a lot of groundballs. He could be backed up by Nova/Noesi or the killer B’s. He certainly could do no worse than the Vazquez story.

    These two guys may not be exciting, but I think both could perform well and potentially even Joba could perform great.

    There will be many players available as the year progresses, but unlike 2008 where rookies were major role players, Joba & Mitre have experience and potential to both be winners. I also think AJ will be much better too now that he has a new pitching coach!

  34. raymagnetic December 13th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    “I hate that the Yankees are acting like it.”

    The Yankees are just doing what they always do. Using money to solve all of their problems.

    “This isnt a good argument, its just a fact like saying:

    the Yankees have never won a WS with Bob Gibson as a pitcher.
    the Yankees have never won a WS with Sandy Koufax as a pitcher.
    the Yankees have never won a WS with Pedro Martinez as a pitcher.
    the Yankees have never won a WS with Satchel Paige as a pitcher.
    the Yankees have never won a WS with Nolan Ryan as a pitcher.
    the Yankees have never won a WS with Greg Maddux as a pitcher.

    or
    I have never been to Canada

    or
    Don Mattingly has never said hi to me

    or
    many many other things.”

    Actually my point is they don’t need Cliff Lee to win a WS. They never needed any of those other pitchers to win a WS either.

    No team has won a WS with Cliff Lee pitching for them.

    If they get him fine, if they don’t then that’s fine too.

  35. BIG AL December 13th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    ac1 -

    Yes Lee pitched for the same team as Felix, but, Lee was 8-3 for Seattle. So dispite pitching under the same handicap so to speak, he did better than the “King”, so that just proves Felix should not have won the CY Award.

  36. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Someone mentioned earlier they aren’t sure Lee will be able to adjust as he ages the way Glavin did…I’m hoping that assessment is wrong. I tend to think because it took so long for Lee to come into his own as a pitcher, he might be more open to making changes in the future as well as adapting his game plan to the type of stuff he has.

  37. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    The most shocking part about this is that Lee has a CC contract on his lap and he’s sitting on it after we all felt giving him a CC deal would instantly lock him up. When CC, a better pitcher, received that 7th year, he pretty much signed on the spot. It’s difficult to hold back resentment against Lee right now and hard not to feel at least a little bit insulted. Money being equal, CC was far more sure about wanting to pitch for the Yankees than Lee.

  38. upstate kate December 13th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    I like you RadioKev :)

  39. Mell December 13th, 2010 at 9:39 am

    “The nauseating sports talk if we don’t get him will be painful.”

    Might be, but you really can’t blame Cashman and the Yankees if this goes wrong. They’ve put the full force of their resources behind getting this done.

  40. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    i 100% agree felix shouldnt have won cy young. It wasnt like he had a 1.00 ERA and 400 Ks. His numbers were not so significantly better than Price and CC that his 13-12 record should be ignored. Even Roy Halladay said the wins should matter.

  41. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    RayVT – I like that you’re thinking outside the box but good luck trying to get anyone excited about a rotation including both AJ and Joba. That could turn out to be a serious Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde situation.

  42. BIG AL December 13th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    RadioKev -

    OK, now I understand, wins don’t count, as long as Lee has a good ERS, WHIP etc, you’ll be pleased with his performance.

    If Lee wins 14-15 games, and CC wins 21 games, you’ll still say Lee is the better pitcher.

    You keep forgetting to look at the fact Lee pitched against weaker teams, while CC always had to beat the best in the AL East. That does make a huge difference, even if you choose to ignore those facts.

    Again, CC being 57-25 the past 3 years is worse than Lee being 48-25, and in the past 2 years CC being 40-15 is worse than Lee being 26-22, I like your math and way of thinking, not!

  43. RayVT December 13th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    The fun part is watching this with the thought of suppose Lee signs with Texas and the Yanks still win the 2011 WS. After the hype by beantown and a glorious annointment of giddy ESPNers that Lee doesn’t sign with the Yanks. I truly believe the Yanks would still win the AL East and even the WS. It would taste even sweeter. What’s more, if the Yanks do this from within, it would be even scarier for their opponents. I think the future looks bright even in 2011 w or w/o Mr & Mrs Lee!

  44. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Give Joba one more year in the pen to see if he can get his form back. Cannot keep switching him from pen to rotation and hope for a better result.

  45. Bob December 13th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    maybe he is looking to hook up with a Realtor first before making the announcement of his move to NY !

  46. raymagnetic December 13th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    “Over the past 3 years Lee has been the better pitcher. That doesn’t mean in the next 3 years he’ll continue to be better, or he’s had a better career, but to anyone “not impressed” with Lee – well that’s just laughable.

    Oh yes, and as to Lee not pitching on a WS winning team, he sure as heck to the Yankees to the cleaners in 2009. 2 wins in the World Series. 2 losses this year, but the guy did also play an unspeakably hot (lucky) Giants team.

    Please stop trying to convince yourselves Lee isn’t any good and not worth the time and money. If we sign him, no one will even remember this negotiation come September when he’s making clutch starts for us.”

    Over the past 5 years CC has been a better pitcher than Cliff Lee.

    Nobody is saying Lee isn’t any good. I’m just sick of hearing about how the Yankees need Cliff Lee. They didn’t need him in 2009 and they certainly don’t need him now.

    Pettitte comes back and the Yankees rotation is as strong as anybody’s.

    In fact I’ll take CC, Andy, Hughes and AJ in the playoffs versus anybody.

  47. CB December 13th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    These negotiations are about money. That’s all.

    It is absolutely in Cliff Lee’s rights to take his time making a decision and to be deliberate about it. It’s a huge decision and it’s a very complicated one.

    But it just doesn’t wash that his agent is leaking rumors to the least discriminating sports reporter in the business about “mystery teams” and assorted nonsense if the issue were wanting to take it slowly to make the right decision.

    Because when you start with the mystery team nonsense – and keep doing it – well, then it really comes off as you really being unable to walk away from trying to extract that last bump of money regardless of how large the offers were before.

    Can’t have it both ways – can’t say this is a difficult decision I need to take it slowly and at the same time leak rumors about the “mystery team.”

    Because then that makes you look like all you are being deliberate about it making sure your hand has judiciously swept the couch cushions for that last nickel.

    You can wonder if this is a ploy to get the Rangers to bump their offer or the Yankees. But this is about money.

    And I do think it’s about getting more money from the Yankees. The Rangers really are likely to be at their limit. There is only so much more they can go up.

    And “mystery teams” aren’t going to have any impact on the Rangers as they already know that they are up against the team with the deepest pockets in the Yankees. It’s more likely the “mystery team” is aimed at the yankees to sweeten the pot again.

    Cliff Lee still believes or is at least uncertain if he’s gotten every dollar he can. So the wait will go on until he feels he’s gotten every dollar.

  48. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    maybe he is looking to hook up with a Realtor first before making the announcement of his move to NY !

    ___

    Or Schools and Hospitals for his kids.

  49. clownthrowindown December 13th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    BIG AL,

    You neglect to mention that FIVE of CC’s wins were against Baltimore. Not taking anything away from CC, but wins is a weak argument.

  50. RadioKev December 13th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    BIG AL December 13th, 2010 at 9:44 am
    RadioKev -

    OK, now I understand, wins don’t count, as long as Lee has a good ERS, WHIP etc, you’ll be pleased with his performance.

    If Lee wins 14-15 games, and CC wins 21 games, you’ll still say Lee is the better pitcher.

    You keep forgetting to look at the fact Lee pitched against weaker teams, while CC always had to beat the best in the AL East. That does make a huge difference, even if you choose to ignore those facts.

    Again, CC being 57-25 the past 3 years is worse than Lee being 48-25, and in the past 2 years CC being 40-15 is worse than Lee being 26-22, I like your math and way of thinking, not!
    ————-

    I never said wins don’t count. I did say strictly evaluating a pitcher’s quality by wins is foolish, which it is. Also over the past 3 years CC did not just face the AL East, he was in the AL Central and NL Central.

    Honestly, judging by your grasp of pitching, you may be a new fan or something, and that’s ok. I’d go back just to last month and look over some news articles about Felix Hernandez vs CC Sabathia, which will give you a little bit of perspective on how pitching is judged in the MLB today. It pretty much set the precedent (Which I thought was a little extreme) that wins don’t have a whole lot of value compared to everything else. Check it out.

  51. RayVT December 13th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Shame Spencer December 13th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    LOL! I certainly understand that! I really think AJ pitched great early last year & I think he and Eiland were fighting all along and it got to a point where the 2 couldn’t work together. Eiland is gone! I think AJ will be much better in 2011!

    Joba has a great upside IMO. He has talent and I think he could really do well.

  52. LGY December 13th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    The Yankees are WS favorites with Lee.

    They are maybe wildcard favorites without him.

    That is what this comes down to.

  53. blake December 13th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    CB,

    That’s certainly what it seems like. If there really was a third team involved and they we’re a serious contender then why not just name the team at this point……because that team would be questioned and ruled out if their offer isn’t in the ballpark of the others…..keeping it a mystery creates doubt.

  54. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    Buster_ESPN Heard this: Darek Braunecker, the agent for Cliff Lee, has been in touch with the Yankees today and said the process is on-going;stay tuned.
    ___

    Thanks for nothing Buster Olney.

  55. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    The Yankees are WS favorites with Lee.

    They are maybe wildcard favorites without him.

    That is what this comes down to.

    ___

    ‘on paper’.

  56. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    While Lee hasn’t pitched in the AL East in his career, I have to believe the guy will step up if he was facing the best competition in the league. Now, the way things are being painted here, people are going to freak out when the guy has one bad start for us (which, just to prepare all of you, he most definitely will) but the one thing that does seem legitimate is that the guy is a competitor. I have a hard time believing he’ll turn into Javy once the bright lights hit him.

    RayVT – I too am still stuck in the “I think Joba could start” club… but it just isn’t going to happen. I wish he would be given the shot at the 5th spot but technically he already had that opportunity and didn’t really go after it. All of ST last season, it seemed more like it was Hughes’ spot to lose than Joba’s to earn. I assumed that was based on what the organization saw once the two go into camp. I do really think the kid has the tools to be a starter.. but unfortunately, it takes a little more than talent to really make it in the bigs.

  57. raymagnetic December 13th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Nobody thought San Fran would even make the playoffs last year. (Besides Nick in SF). Who cares about who the favorites are?

    You don’t play the games on paper.

  58. 108 stitches December 13th, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Wherever Cliff Lee ends up he’ll only be 1/25th of the team he plays for with a better chance every 5 days of being a contributor than a bench player.
    No one player carries the team.
    It takes good health, good pitching, steady bullpen work, no prolonged slumps, timely hitting, and a team managed well under pressured times.
    See last year’s S.F. Giants for reference.

  59. Erin December 13th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 9:53 am
    Buster_ESPN Heard this: Darek Braunecker, the agent for Cliff Lee, has been in touch with the Yankees today and said the process is on-going;stay tuned.
    ___

    Thanks for nothing Buster Olney.

    *****************************

    LOL

  60. Mike Ri December 13th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    108 stitches–

    Cliff Lee ends up he?ll only be 1/25th of the team he plays for with a better chance every 5 days of being a contributor than a bench player.

    - He’ll be pitching twice in a 5 game series !! .. and twice in a seven game series

    Thats big !

  61. Erin December 13th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    BloggingBombers RT @dp57 #cliffleewatch continues. Day 7. If this was CNN #cliffleewatch would have its own dramatic theme music by now!

  62. Mgumpher December 13th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    I think this will come to resolution fairly soon. The waiting game is a fairly well used gambit by FA agents to see if there might be someone else in the wings stupid enough to put in a bigger offer, or to see if the team(s) involved will get so nervous, thinking that their offer must not be as good as they thought, so they bump it up.

    Cashman has been down this road before, so I don’t think he will blink. Braunecker is doing his part by ensuring that Lee is being given all that can be given for his services.

    I do think that they are looking at the tax issue, as they want to maximize the take home for Lee. It wouldn’t be a smart move on Lee’s part to sign for more and end up with less.

    The waiting also helps to get fans to the point where they just want it to end, either way. This is helping to paint it as a tough decision, and it might be, but I’m not so sure that Lee hasn’t decided already which team he is going to unless there is a bid raise from the other club that makes it impossible to turn down. I just don’t think that either club is in position where they will do that, except maybe for a minor amount or condition added.

  63. LGY December 13th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    “Nobody thought San Fran would even make the playoffs last year. (Besides Nick in SF). Who cares about who the favorites are?

    You don’t play the games on paper.”

    ———————

    Yes, but you also don’t build your team completely ignoring your probability for success.

    We can apply the you don’t play games on paper to any team in the league and say they can win the World Series.

    But, when you have a $200 million payroll, WS aspirations every season, and a ton of money to make by have long playoff runs just going with that is extremely disconcerting.

  64. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 9:53 am
    Buster_ESPN Heard this: Darek Braunecker, the agent for Cliff Lee, has been in touch with the Yankees today and said the process is on-going;stay tuned.

    ********

    You just know when they hang up their phones, Cashman fends off violent fantasies.

  65. Bring in the Goose December 13th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    If he takes Texas offer, wonder how long until Cashman pulls the trigger on Plan B, C, etc.

    I think the dominoes are already lined up.

    Kerry Wood may be one of them.

  66. LGY December 13th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    There is really no reason for people to start turning on Lee or rationalizing how little the impact he would have on this team.

    If you go back in the archives on lohud, I suspect you will find very different comments regarding Lee as opposed to some of the stuff being said about him now that us fans are getting restless waiting for his decision.

    For example, over a month ago I said the Yankees should look to trade for Mark Buerhle as one of their targets if they miss out on Lee. No a single person responded to that suggestion. Now yesterday it is ok for some to get Buerhle instead of Lee.

    Lee is an excellent pitcher that vastly changes the landscape of this team. He has been a better pitcher than CC IMO over the last 3 years and we all know how much CC impacts this team.

    The process shouldn’t taint or change our views on Lee.

  67. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    The White Sox probably wouldn’t trade Buerhle

  68. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Poor Matsui….. The Oakland Athletics?

  69. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Buster_ESPN

    Oakland Athletics closing in on finishing deal with P Brandon McCarthy, as well as OF Hideki Matsui..
    less than a minute ago via web

  70. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    I’d rather have Dallas Braden than Mark Buerhle.

  71. raymagnetic December 13th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    “Yes, but you also don’t build your team completely ignoring your probability for success.

    We can apply the you don’t play games on paper to any team in the league and say they can win the World Series.

    But, when you have a $200 million payroll, WS aspirations every season, and a ton of money to make by have long playoff runs just going with that is extremely disconcerting.”

    Yes having Cliff Lee would probably make the Yankees the WS favorites. But if Andy comes back the Yankees have virtually the same rotation that won the WS in 2009. In fact I would say it’s even better considering Phil Hughes was not a part of the 2009 playoff rotation.

    Therefore even without Cliff Lee I would consider the Yankees a favorite for the WS if Andy comes back.

  72. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Braden would make for some interesting flights with A-Rod. What if Alex has to go to the bathroom mid flight and steps on Braden’s seat?

  73. blake December 13th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    The process (saga) continues….lol

  74. 108 stitches December 13th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Whether the Yankees land Cliff Lee or not, Larry Rothschild has projects to work with on his agenda starting with Burnett and seeing if he can get Ivan Nova to pitch in a 6th or 7th inning like he does in a 2nd or 3rd inning, assuming he’s not used in a deal.
    As for Chamberlain, the pitcher we see is as good as he’ll ever get. Not interested in being in pitching condition and prefers to spit out David sunflower seeds sitting on a chair in the bullpen rather than listen to the master of consistent pitching mechanics ……… Mariano Rivera.

  75. Phranchise December 13th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Buerhle would be a nice fit I think for the back end for sure. A free agent after the season so a one year deal. Cashman has done some moves with Williams already so they seem to be able to get these deals done. And the Yankees wouldn’t have to give up much. Braden is a bit of a nut, pitches in a pitchers ballpark and trying to deal with Billy Beane is always a disaster. If they lose out on Lee, I would make a move for Buerhle, try to convince Andy back and then bring in one of the guys off injuries. Go for Harden. He is still young and electric stuff. A few years ago he was one of the top young pitchers in the game. Go for the lightening in the bottle. At the very least he might give you another power arm in the pen. Then spend you free agent money solidifying other areas of need.

  76. blake December 13th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    LGY,
    Agreed.

  77. PittsburghYankeeFan December 13th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Its about getting the 7th guaranteed year out of Texas or the “mystery team.” Has to be.

    If Braunecker talked to Cashman this AM, that means either:

    (1) they are taking the offer
    (2) he’s asking Cashman to top the other offer out there

    This ends today.

  78. clownthrowindown December 13th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    “Therefore even without Cliff Lee I would consider the Yankees a favorite for the WS if Andy comes back.”

    Except that Jeter, Arod, Teixeira, AJ and Posada aren’t the same players they were in 2009. Hughes isn’t in the BP to strengthen it. Gardner is not the playoff contributor Damon was and Matsui’s bat still hasn’t been replaced.

    But,yeh, other than that, you may be correct.

  79. Gary December 13th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    LGY, I agree. Seems like many here are now minimizing Lee’s contribution, while maximizing the strength of the Yanks current rotation and the offense. I guess the memories of the last Post season has faded quickly.

  80. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Saying the Yanks have virtually the same rotation just isn’t the case. Personnel wise, that may be true, but you can never be sure how many starts Andy ‘One Year Older’ Pettitte will make, how many quality starts AJ will make, or how our question mark 5th starter will perform. You assume you can pencil CC in for the year but if the big man goes down for any extended time our rotation is pretty much in shambles. I’m not saying the same can’t be said of any other team in baseball.. obviously, things happen that can dramatically effect your season.. but thats why its so useless to say the rotation is the same and assume it will perform as it did in 2009 (2010 was probably a better rotation IMO with Phil in the mix and we didn’t win jack squat).

  81. raymagnetic December 13th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    “Except that Jeter, Arod, Teixeira, AJ and Posada aren’t the same players they were in 2009. Hughes isn’t in the BP to strengthen it. Gardner is not the playoff contributor Damon was and Matsui’s bat still hasn’t been replaced.

    But,yeh, other than that, you may be correct.”

    Even with Cliff Lee all the above remains true. So what’s your point?

    Are you saying a rotation of CC, Andy, Hughes, and AJ isn’t strong enough to win a WS? I always thought pitching wins WS. Isn’t that why the Yankees are going after Cliff Lee?

    Also, Hughes was horrible in the playoffs in 2009 and Gardner doesn’t have enough experience to say he isn’t the playoff contributor that Damon was. Saying someone isn’t the playoff contributor that someone else is doesn’t sound real scientific to me.

  82. Gary December 13th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Least we forget Yanks scored 2 runs in game 2, no runs in Game 3, and 1 run in game 6 against the Rangers. In those games our current pitchers didn’t get it done. Good pitching beats good hitting. I can’t imagine the rotation we have today getting it done.

  83. Phranchise December 13th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    The Yankees are staring at the possibility of Hughes and Kennedy all over again. You know they have learned since then. AJ is a wildcard and you would depend heavily on Nova. And that’s without bringing up Andy. They will not leave so many question marks in the rotation reagrdless. So I am sure panic will set in if Lee goes to the Rangers, but ultimately the Yankees will piece together a decent rotation. It just won’t scream of dominance is the issue. In a short series CC looks like the only confirmed stud. That’s why I think Buerhle is a nice fit. He has won big games and pitched as the #1 for the White Sox. He won’t dominate, but he certainly can give you an Andy P type of performance keeping you close.

  84. Mike Ri December 13th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    I agree Gary !!

  85. raymagnetic December 13th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    By the way, I’m not minimizing Lee’s contribution or saying he isn’t a really good pitcher. My point is that they don’t need Cliff Lee.

    Of course he would make them stronger next year. Only a fool would say otherwise. But getting Cliff Lee guarantees nothing.

  86. raymagnetic December 13th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Just realized that I responded to clown. :(

  87. LGY December 13th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    “You keep forgetting to look at the fact Lee pitched against weaker teams, while CC always had to beat the best in the AL East. That does make a huge difference, even if you choose to ignore those facts.”

    ———————-

    In 2010 Lee’s opponents had a .731 OPS when he was with SEA and a .721 OPS when he was with TEX. CC’s opponents had a .719 OPS.

    2009: Lee .743 OPS, Sabathia .751 OPS

    2008: Lee .735 OPS, Sabathia .736 OPS when he was with CLE and a .710 when he was with MIL.

  88. Gary December 13th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Ray

    Yes we have heard that, you have been telling us over and over. There are just many here that don’t share the same opinion. Getting any person guarantees nothing, life doesn’t work that way. I don’t think anyone has suggested that.

    The Yanks rotation would be much stronger with Lee, that I think is fact and who wants him out there pitching against us? We have never beaten the guy.

  89. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    uster_ESPN

    From colleague Karl Ravech:Rangers moving aggressively on Adrian Beltre– perhaps setting up for possibility that Lee won’t sign with Texas.
    2 minutes ago via web

  90. Mgumpher December 13th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Let’s not go overboard with what the conversation with Braunecker and Cashman was about. It could as easily be about bumping up their offer as it could be about clarifying a clause or condition.

    In any event, Cashman and Braunecker are talking, so that could be a positive sign, IMO.

  91. Mike Ri December 13th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Interesting Bret the Hitman !

  92. Bronx Jeers December 13th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Buster Olney Buster_ESPN

    From colleague Karl Ravech:Rangers moving aggressively on Adrian Beltre– perhaps setting up for possibility that Lee won’t sign with Texas.

  93. oak2455 December 13th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN

    From colleague Karl Ravech:Rangers moving aggressively on Adrian Beltre– perhaps setting up for possibility that Lee won’t sign with Texas.
    1 minute ago via web

  94. LGY December 13th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    There is no guarantee Andy is coming back if Lee goes to Texas. Some have suggested he is not coming back unless Lee is here.

    That said, all this will be moot once Lee signs with the Yankees HOPEFULLY today.

  95. Shame Spencer December 13th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Bret – see, thats the type of tweet I wanna see about the Yanks at this point. I think they have the highest offer and know that Lee will come back to them if someone beats them out, just to make the extra cash. So why not start putting some pressure on them to make a decision?

  96. oak2455 December 13th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    wow Im sloww

  97. Gary December 13th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Bret, Hummm. To me it just means that the Rangers aren’t sitting on their thumbs waiting for the decision. Hopefully the Bionics of what has gone on with Cash doesn’t play out in the long run and there was really a creditable option he was working.

  98. 108 stitches December 13th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Lee or no Lee, Cashman needs to act quickly on a bullpen LH (Feliciano), a backup catcher (Benjie Molina) and Kerry Wood before another team snags them.

  99. blake December 13th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    The Rangers will be better off trading for Greinke and signing Beltre……that’s really probably what they should do.

  100. Mgumpher December 13th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    The A’s aren’t all that bad a team. They had been in the thick of things for a little time last season, and Hideki is a good bat to add to their lineup.

    Not that I particularly like seeing Godzilla in Oakland, I really do miss seeing him playing for the Yankees. I don’t think this is such a bad deal for Hideki at all.

  101. mick December 13th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    So why not start putting some pressure on them to make a decision?
    =======================
    Cash told Lee to take his time and he is. To rush him would be disingenuous, trust Lee until he gives you reason not to.

  102. mick December 13th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Lee or no Lee, Cashman needs to act quickly on a bullpen LH (Feliciano), a backup catcher (Benjie Molina) and Kerry Wood before another team snags them
    ========================
    I’m sure Cash is covering all bases.

  103. blake December 13th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Rangers could have leaked the beltre info to push Lee to a resolution as well…..im sure they want an answer just as bad as the Yanks do.

  104. Mell December 13th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    “From colleague Karl Ravech:Rangers moving aggressively on Adrian Beltre– perhaps setting up for possibility that Lee won’t sign with Texas.”

    Could this also mean the previous rumors of a Micheal Young trade may have some legs? Or would they move Young to 1B?

  105. pat December 13th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Buster’s tweet is a better indication the Rangers have moved on from Michael Young playing 3rd base than moved on from Lee unless Beltre has been hiding his ability to pitch all these years.

  106. Mark in Tampa December 13th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    “Karl Ravech:Rangers moving aggressively on Adrian Beltre– perhaps setting up for possibility that Lee won’t sign with Texas.”

    Does Beltre pitch? How does signing Beltre equate to making up for missing out on a pitcher? Especially when they are already set in the infield. Or is Michael Young not coming back?

  107. mick December 13th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    I would get Buerhle and let him battle AJ for the 5th starter spot.

  108. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    Bring in the Goose December 13th, 2010 at 10:03 am
    If he takes Texas offer, wonder how long until Cashman pulls the trigger on Plan B, C, etc.

    I think the dominoes are already lined up.

    ************

    It works both ways.

    If Lee takes the Yankees offer, Cashman will pull the trigger on a contingent move he already has lined up.

    I suspect he will trade for a LF and it will be Justin Upton or Matt Kemp.

    It’s going to happen fast.

  109. mick December 13th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Would love Michael Young on the Yankees. Joba?

  110. Tom in N.J. December 13th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    The Yankees got 78 starts last season from A.J., Vazquez, Moseley, Nova, and Mitre.

    As a group, in those 78 starts, they pitched to the tune of a .5.39 ERA.

  111. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    I wouldn’t mind having Bengie Molina on our team to work with our pitchers and Montero. Montero can use all of the advice and skill he can get, meaning Posada, Pena, and others.

    Gut says Martin goes to the Sox.

    Still think we need to jump on a lefty specialist ASAP.

  112. Mgumpher December 13th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Cashman is probably set up to know if any of his possible targets are having the talks/ offerings heat up. Agents love for the Yankees to be involved with their FAs as it can help them get a bigger offer – be that from the Yankees or from the other team(s) that desire their services.

    I also think that Cashman is at least working to see if there are other things he can do.

    Its not like Cashman is just pacing the floors while waiting on Clifton to make up his mind.

  113. mick December 13th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Let Wood, etc…look around, then come back with their best offer to us.

  114. randy l. December 13th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    cb-

    i agree that it feels like lee’s agent is playing games.

    i suspect that if the decision goes past today that cashman will start to think about having to send a message to lee’s agent to knock it off ( in an appropriate way) . if he doesn’t do this , Braunecker’s strategy will be noticed by other agents and repeated in future negotiations with cashman.

    if Braunecker continues to play games the yankee dollars should start coming off the table each day Braunecker continues to plays games.

    if there’s apperception that he had the big number from the yankees and overplayed his hand and lost the deal by the yankees getting ticked off and going the other way, Braunecker would lose all the personal cred he’s developed so far.

    in other words, Braunecker has a lot to lose too if he tries to leverage the fact the yankees really want lee. crunch time has arrived. this may be where boras always used to win in these staring contests because he had so many other deals going. he could afford to lose so he usually won.

    Braunecker doesn’t, so let’s see if he caves from the closing the deal pressure.
    ( just wanted to work “cave” into things) :)

  115. Mgumpher December 13th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    I would love to see Bengie Molina on the Yankees. If he is on a one year deal or even two, he could still be a starter, although somewhat reduced in games played, and would be the nice bridge to allow Monstero to develop enough in the Majors.

    I think the real key with him is him getting a starter job. Of course the Red Sox are in need of a real catcher as well, so I wouldn’t think they would pass on Molina without a good look.

  116. Mgumpher December 13th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    The thing is we don’t know what the “hang up” might be about. It may just be working on conditions to the contract. With the Lee deal, I don’t think either side will say much till the paperwork is being signed.

  117. Tom in N.J. December 13th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    karlravechespn:

    “Looks like lee may be leaning towards nyy as rangers have made aggressive play for beltre”

    http://twitter.com/karlraveche.....2659355648

  118. Cashman needs to go December 13th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    But then again, having the best team on paper doesn’t help you win the World Series. See the Giants for that example

    **********************************

    But having the best pitching staff will get you in the running as the best team (as in winning the world series). See the Giants for that example. Pitching not only wins games but it allows your offense to relax a little (knowing the pitching will keep it close) until they put together a few hits in a row. See the Giants for that example.

  119. Joe from Long Island December 13th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    CB points out that this could all be about Lee trying to get every last dime. If that’s the case, then the Yanks prevail because they have the best offer on the table.

    As far as blaming Braunecker for the show – he’s the agent. He takes his orders from Lee. If Lee were satisfied and ready to make a decision, he would have already. I think that if it’s about getting everything, and all this about his wife’s preferences and such may be just part of the negotiating tactics.

  120. NYY fan in NH December 13th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Olney just said on First Take that the Yankees could announce the Russell Martine signing if and when he passes his physical. Interesting!!

  121. Mike Ri December 13th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Good Post Tom !! im not getting my hopes up too high though !! . .

  122. NYY fan in NH December 13th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Martin I meant!

  123. Patrick December 13th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    The mystery team rumor makes me think that Lee will sign with the Yankees. Here’s why:

    It is ridiculously obvious that the “mystery team” rumor is being created by Lee’s agent and fed to Jon Heyman. Heyman has been Braunecker’s puppet this entire free agency period, just like he is usually Boras’ puppet.

    So why would Braunecker create these rumors? Is it to get Texas to up their offer? I highly doubt it. Texas is already at their limit. They know that NY has already offered Lee more money. Why would a “mystery team” cause them to pay more? They are banking on the fact that Lee will choose them for other reasons than just money because they have already offered as much as they can.

    The rumors are clearly targeted at the Yankees. Braunecker knows Texas has put out their best offer but he probably doesn’t know if the Yankees have. They have the highest offer on the table, why would they increase it even more? The only way to see if the Yankees are truly at their limit is make up a mystery team and make it seem like this team is going to match the Yankees or come close. Then you can see if Cashman truly has put his best offer forward.

    And why does this mean that Lee will sign with the Yankees? Because if he had chosen the lesser money with Texas there would be no reason to convince the Yankees to increase their offer. Lee has already decided he’s going to take the most money with the Yankees, now it’s just a matter of getting as much money as possible.

    Cashman knows what’s going on which is why he told the media he isn’t going to increase his offer. Lee will be a Yankee in under 24 hours, in my opinion.

  124. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    CASHMAN: “We are not desperate at all”

    With the Cliff Lee decision expected soon, the New York Yankees do not think that it will make or break their offseason.

    “We are not desperate at all,” Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said in a text message Monday morning.

    Like the rest of the baseball world, the Yankees are waiting for Lee to finally decide if he will take New York’s seven-year offer or the Texas Rangers’ reported six-year offer that may include a vested seventh season.

    The exact terms of the seven-year offer have not been revealed. The Yankees original offer was for six years and $138.5 million. The Yankees are believed to still be offering more money than the Rangers, but Texas doesn’t have income tax, which levels the playing field somewhat.

    The Yankees don’t know when Lee will inform teams of his decision.

  125. Tom in N.J. December 13th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    First it’s reported that Lee’s agent talked with Cashman this A.M.

    Now we hear that Texas has “made an aggressive play for Beltre.”

    It could all be apropo of nothing….

  126. blake December 13th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    If Lee choose the Yanks then I fully expect Texas to move on Greinke so that would address their pitching issue.

  127. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 10:52 am

    NYYrumors

    Cashman “We are not desperate at all”, could pull offer from #CliffLee if Lee doesn’t sign TODAY JUNIOR #Yankees #CliffLee #hurrythe f.u.c.k. up

    3 minutes ago via web

  128. J. Alfred Prufrock December 13th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 10:08 am
    Poor Matsui….. The Oakland Athletics?

    NOT VERY COMPETITIVE but he’s close to SF and its Japanese community which i’m sure is very important to him.

  129. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    http://twitter.com/NYYrumors/s.....7629902848

  130. Tom in N.J. December 13th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    If the Rangers do sign Beltre and trade Young they would, most likely, have to eat some of that 48 million dollars still owed to Young.

  131. Mike Ri December 13th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    No way does Cashman pull the offer ! . . .

  132. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Mike Ri,

    It’s a rumor that helps us. Spread it.

  133. Brian December 13th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    So, to summarize so far today…

    Stuff is starting to happen.

    Lee’s agent called Cashman, right? Maybe he wants more time, more money, or has made a decision. Who knows.

    But these two bits of info are interesting if true.

    ” Olney just said on First Take that the Yankees could announce the Russell Martin signing if and when he passes his physical. Interesting!!”

    Does that mean Lee is going to Texas and Jesus is going to be traded for a pitcher?

    But then there’s this…

    ” karlravechespn:

    “Looks like lee may be leaning towards nyy as rangers have made aggressive play for beltre”

    http://twitter.com/karlraveche…..2659355648″

    So does this mean Lee is going to NY and they are going to trade Young for a pitcher?

  134. Mike Ri December 13th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    LOL LOL ok Brett !! .. will do ! . .

  135. blake December 13th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    They could make Young their DH/utility infielder and let Vlad walk if they signed Beltre and couldn’t move him.

  136. mick December 13th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    For all we know, the deal is done. People chill out.

  137. J. Alfred Prufrock December 13th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Does that mean Lee is going to Texas and Jesus is going to be traded for a pitcher?

    BITE YOUR TONGUE. That would be the worst news ever enough to make me give up my seasons.lee keeps them from sending off montero so he better sign here.& 3 lefty SP wouldbe useful in an ALCS w-Boston God knows.

  138. J. Alfred Prufrock December 13th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    mick December 13th, 2010 at 10:59 am
    For all we know, the deal is done. People chill out.

    I JUST pop in now and then keep track of the landscape periodically but i’m not consumed with the leee stuff just speaking for myself.its close at hand any how,either way.

  139. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    The Martin thing could mean Lee is coming and Cash can finally pull the trigger on Montero + for Upton, knowing he doesn’t have to trade Montero for a pitcher.

  140. Mgumpher December 13th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Lee will decided soon, there is nothing else to gain by waiting much longer. Teams that had the desire to go for Lee would have already done so by this point, and if neither the Rangers or the Yankees upped their offers, which is what we’re being told, then there are no real changes that would impact the deal.

    I don’t think it will be announced till all the terms and conditions are agreed to, no one would benefit from this falling through due to a disagreement on some condition included in the paperwork.

    The Yankees were going after Martin for a while. I don’t see that as part of Lee signing with either club. The Yankees don’t think that Posada will be catching, other than maybe a small back up role. They also don’t tend to give the starting job to a rookie who has not played in the majors.

  141. West Coast Yankee Fan December 13th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Jon Heyman has nothing to do with this. No one is leaking anything at this stage. Lee is in the end game of making a decision after consulting with his agent, estate planner and accountants and talking to his family.

  142. DYD INDA WUL December 13th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    In picking TEX 0ver NYY, he would have to determine whether as the “staff ace” he is willing to conform to Nolan Ryan’s rubber arm philosophy.

    “Pitch until your arm falls off. It’s good for you!” Not.

    My two cents.

  143. DYD INDA WUL December 13th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    “He” that is Lee.

  144. Patrick December 13th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    The Martin thing could mean Lee is coming and Cash can finally pull the trigger on Montero + for Upton, knowing he doesn’t have to trade Montero for a pitcher.

    I wouldn’t trade Montero+ for Upton…..

  145. mick December 13th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    Behngie Molina is the right move, he’s a winner.
    Don’t know if we can afford him though :)

  146. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    Buster_ESPN

    The Yankees have continued to be aggressive on C Russ Martin; would not be a surprise if we heard at any time of an agreement.
    1 minute ago via web

  147. Patrick December 13th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Jon Heyman has nothing to do with this. No one is leaking anything at this stage. Lee is in the end game of making a decision after consulting with his agent, estate planner and accountants and talking to his family.

    Haha come on dude, that “mystery team” business is so obviously a rumor created by Braunecker and fed to Heyman

  148. West Coast Yankee Fan December 13th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    I do not believe you need Montero to get Upton – I believe Swisher and Joba and a couple of pitching prospects would get it done.

  149. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Towers could use Montero to get Greinke – Swisher and Joba? Not enough IMHO.

  150. West Coast Yankee Fan December 13th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Patrick you believe in these conspiracies – I don’t. Especially not at this stage. All offers are in there is no point in gamesmanship.

  151. Patrick December 13th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    “I do not believe you need Montero to get Upton – I believe Swisher and Joba and a couple of pitching prospects would get it done.”

    If those two pitching prospects are Banuelos and Betances, MAYBE that’s enough but I highly doubt it. Upton would probably require Montero, Hughes and 2 prospects.

  152. blake December 13th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Yea I wouldn’t move Montero either at this point unless Felix Hernandez is coming back. I would love an Upton move but not crazy about trading a 21 year old catcher with big bat potential for a 23 year old outfielder with big bat potential…..now if he could be had any other way that’s a different story.

  153. Squeakz December 13th, 2010 at 11:11 am

    Why would u trade Switcher for Upton???? Upton is overrated.

  154. jacksquat December 13th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    The Martin signing could also mean he wants someone better than Cervelli to split time with Montero, and/or wants a better backup option if Montero is not ready, or demonstrates he can’t play C… I don’t know why everyone is so quick to jump to Montero trade thoughts.

  155. blake December 13th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    I think Martin could just as easily be for insurance….the move would suggest that they don’t see Posada catching much and would also suggest that they’ll move Cervelli at some point.

  156. Web December 13th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Why would they trade Montero now? He is so close to the big leagues. Unless they think Romine will be a better MLB catcher and also think Sanchez is the catcher of the future and not Montero. But isn’t Sanchez like 17 years old? I just don’t get all the talk about trading your best hitting prospect since Cano. And I try to follow the minors a lot and I’ve heard more about Montero over the last few years than I heard about Robbie before he came up.

  157. blake December 13th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Sanchez hasn’t even played in A ball yet. He’s at least 3 years away I would guess.

  158. Mike Ri December 13th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    I’m not trading Montero unless its for some big time pitcher !!! Not Upton

  159. Mell December 13th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    “I think Martin could just as easily be for insurance”

    Maybe, but then I’d think Boston and Toronto could both offer him a better role than insurance policy.

  160. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    I will say this, the Yankees are leaking their aggressive pursuit of Russell Martin. That tactic effectively baits teams salivating over Jesus Montero.

    The Yankees might have Lee signed right now (merely crossing t’s and dotting i’s) but are acting like they might be forced to use Jesus Montero in a trade.

    This lures teams like the Royals who are bullish on Montero and have valuable commodities like Greinke to facilitate big deals.

    I really feel like Lee will sign and we’ll see a blockbuster follow involving Montero.

    I hope it’s Upton because he’s the best position player out there.

  161. blake December 13th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    Honestly I think both the Yankees and Rangers are sending a signal to Lee to make his mind up this morning. Both teams have leaked that they are aggresively moving on players that could be parts of a plan B for their organizations. I think both teams would like an answer soon.

  162. Brian December 13th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    What I wonder is why Martin would pick the Yankees, if he has any other offers as has been reported. You would think with Jesus, Romine etc all in the pipeline, and a couple really close to being ready, Martin’s playing time in NY, both this season and any other subsequent one (if the deal is more than 1 year of course) w/b less than a place like Boston or Toronto. And Both those teams have been linked to him.

    That could be why people are wondering what happens to the other Yankee catchers, esp Jesus, if Martin signs. Of course, coming off injuries, maybe Martin w/b happy to take a 1 year deal, NOT be a full time catcher, get healthy and then try again next year for a better deal.

  163. Web December 13th, 2010 at 11:21 am

    blake – That’s kind of my point. I just don’t get the chatter or suggestions that they should trade Montero (the guy we all assume will be our catcher for the next few years). I mean anything can happen (trades, free agents, Montero can’t hack it as a catcher in the bigs, etc.). But why would some fans want to see him traded now?

  164. blake December 13th, 2010 at 11:21 am

    Mell,

    Both of those teams have other catchers in play as well though. I doubt any teamis guaranteeing a starting position. All 3 are likely offering a chance to compete in ST….Yanks may be offering more money.

  165. blake December 13th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Web,
    I agree….I wouldn’t deal him now unless one of about 3 pitchers in baseball is coming back.

  166. Patrick December 13th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    There are two reasons why the Yankees would want Martin.

    1. They don’t think Montero is an everyday catcher in the big leagues. I hope this isn’t the case.

    2. They know that Montero isn’t going to catch a significant number of games due to growing pains or whatever, they don’t want Posada catching and they know that Cervelli is crap. I think this is probably the case. They want Martin to come in and catch 50-75 games. Montero can catch say 80 games, Posada picks up a handful.

  167. BD (Boston Dave) December 13th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    If the Yanks get Lee, trading Montero for a position player seems like lunacy.

    Montero should only go if it’s absolutely necessary to attain a top pitcher.

    Trying to have unequivacally a better team on paper than the Red Sox is crazy. The Yanks will be the favorites if they land Lee, IMO.

    Trying to be a HUGE favorite at the expense of your top prospects, is unnecessary and foolish.

  168. Mgumpher December 13th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Supposedly Martin is signing as the starting catcher, not back up role. If he goes with the Yankees its because Posada is pretty much done as a catcher, with his role switching to DH.

    Cervelli was OK, but he isn’t all that great. Martin – who knows, but I think he will be an upgrade over Cervelli. Montero isn’t going to be starting catcher when he hasn’t played in the majors before. The Yankees just don’t work that way.

    I tend to doubt that they will trade him now, when they know his bat is really good. Montero will probably get the chance to show if he can stick at catching, even if its a back up role. If he doesn’t pan out there, but can hit it will make it interesting to see what the Yankees do then.

  169. Mell December 13th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    “Both of those teams have other catchers in play as well though”

    Not good ones though. Toronto has a rookie and Boston’s got a huge unknown and a half dead guy.

  170. CB December 13th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    “The Rangers will be better off trading for Greinke and signing Beltre……that’s really probably what they should do.”

    They should.

    But the first move that they should make is to move Neftali Feliz to the rotation. They can then consider signing Soriano or even Kerry Wood to close.

    If they could get Greinke as well I would do it if I were them.

    But first – get Feliz out of the pen.

    Also – it’s unlikely that they have enough money to sign Beltre and Lee. I’d guess they found almost no takers for Michael Young and will move him to 1b if need be.

  171. blake December 13th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    With Posada as the DH I dont see them.bringing Montero up unless he’s going to catch at least 80 games or.so…..that would be counter productive. They aren’t sitting him on the Yankee bench….he’ll either play in NY or play in Scranton.

  172. BD (Boston Dave) December 13th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Patrick,

    There is no guarantee that Montero is ready to catch 10 games yet.

    Martin would be a great 1yr fill-in if healthy for the reasons you outlined in #2.

    I’m still shocked that everyone assumes Montero is ready. He might not be.

    And the Yanks insurance policy if he isn’t, isn’t very good right now. Martin is insurance (and IMO, likely will need to catch close to 100 games.)

  173. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    The Yankees could’ve kept the Martin stuff quiet like they usually do with everything else. But we’re seeing the opposite. The Yankees are actively leaking their pursuit of Martin. This is generating attention for Jesus Montero because although Martin’s presence as a full time starting catcher on the Yankees does not force the Yankees to move one of their catchers – it makes it easier for them to do so. Just the mere existence of an increased possibility that the Montero is available helps intensify action on him. I’m not saying he will definitely be moved but we can’t ignore it.

  174. Chip December 13th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Mell December 13th, 2010 at 9:26 am
    “I hate that people think the Yankees can’t win a WS unless Lee pitches for them next year.”

    I hate that the Yankees are acting like it.

    ——————

    I don’t think that’s the case.

    The Yankees made an offer – then saw that the market shifted with the 7 year deals to Crawford and Werth and so they altered their offer accordingly.

    Cashman has said there won’t be more money or years offered and he has no plans to go hat in hand to Arkansas unless Cliff requests to meet face to face to go over some details.

    They made an offer and are waiting on a decision – what else should they do? Withdraw the offer and move on to the other top starters on the market like Carl Pavano? Withdraw it and make a trade that could weaken their system considerably? With the exception of Crawford, none of the guys coming off the board are guys the Yankees were considering in the first place and even Crawford was more a mild curiosity than a genuine interest.

  175. blake December 13th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    CB,
    agree on Feliz….they are nuts if they don’t explore him a starter.

  176. BD (Boston Dave) December 13th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    CB is right.

    Sign Soriano for 3/36 (or less?) and move Feliz.

    They have cheap arms in the minors who will be coming up in the next year or two.

    Lee seems like more of a luxury than a necessity for them, when $$$ enters the equation.

  177. CB December 13th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    It’s very possible that Martin may not be ready to catch 120 games himself this season depending on how his hip is.

    Also, it’s very possible that Posada may serve more as a backup catcher this season/ backup DH by the end of next season.

    If they sign Martin I could see Martin and Montero sharing the catching duties with Posada DH’ing when Montero catches or essentially functioning as the backup catcher when Martin catches and Montero DH’s.

  178. blake December 13th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Mell,
    All 3 teams are in similar situations….boston probably has the most need but they may not be offering as much or he may not want to go there.

  179. Chip December 13th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    blake December 13th, 2010 at 11:28 am
    With Posada as the DH I dont see them.bringing Montero up unless he’s going to catch at least 80 games or.so…..that would be counter productive. They aren’t sitting him on the Yankee bench….he’ll either play in NY or play in Scranton.

    ———————-

    I agree – I think Martin is being told he’s going to be in the mix for the starting job – and given the fact that injuries tend to mess up even the best laid plans – I would guess Martin would get quite a bit of work.

    The bottom line – he’s an upgrade from Cervelli and ensures that if Montero’s not ready that Jorge Posada still doesn’t have to catch next year.

  180. Patrick December 13th, 2010 at 11:34 am

    BD,

    Looking at Martin’s numbers for the last two years, I don’t think he’d be a good starting catcher for a team that wants to win a world series.

    I’d rather take my chances with Montero

  181. Bad Scooter December 13th, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Wait, what? Signing Martin to a one year deal is a reason to unload Montero? Maybe it means they’ll unload Cisco. Jorge is going to DH next year. That’s his position now, especially if we ink Martin. Martin is insurance in case Jesus is not ready, that is all. They don’t want Cisco to be the guy if Montero isn’t ready, so they are getting a proven ML catcher who hopefully is over some injuries and Long can help him regain his stroke. Even if it’s a one year deal we will still control his rights after 2011 season as he is arbitration eligible.

    Yanks aren’t going to use Montero to get Upton, that is crazy. They only players we know they offered Jesus for were Halladay and Lee. Doesn’t make sense to offer him for Upton.

  182. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Also, it’s very possible that Posada may serve more as a backup catcher this season/ backup DH by the end of next season.

    ___

    Unless Posada hits .400, i don’t see the yankees bringing him back next season.

  183. Tom in N.J. December 13th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Martin’s hip was not only broken the injury also tore the labrum in the hip.

  184. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    People assume because Montero has come up in trade talks, that means they lost faith. The ONLY two talks he came up in were for Halladay and Lee, (Aces)…. He isn’t going for anything less important than that.

  185. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 11:38 am

    I honestly don’t think the Yankees are overrating Jesus Montero or underrating Justin Upton to the extent that some do on this board.

  186. J. Alfred Prufrock December 13th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    blake December 13th, 2010 at 11:23 am
    Web,
    I agree….I wouldn’t deal him now unless one of about 3 pitchers in baseball is coming back.

    NOT EVEN doing that. The staff is a good one as it is,& in a couple of years we get Betances and Banuelos but what are we doing for an impact middle order bat as ARod ages?we have pitching coming thru the pipeline that is real close,we don’t have a bat anything like like montero,which could plant itself in the middle of the order and steady the lineup for yrs.too much enthrallment with Felix btw who is great & still young its true but who has thrown a lot of innings already.we got CC and Hughes to go with the B boys its a short wait & i would rather have those B boys PLUS montero than forsake Jesus for Felix.doesn’t make much sense to me.those two young guys are advanced enough to project them to be ready in 2013.i could see yanks trading for pitching but CC & Hughes and hopefully AJ can be 1-2-3 next year get a no. 4 type that we don’t cough up the family jewels for. still potentially a very good staff.& i would like to see Joba Revisited,which despite protests they would explore IMO if they feel they have the need.

  187. BD (Boston Dave) December 13th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Patrick,

    Even if Montero is a weaker defensive option than Posada?

    I’d rather have insurance in the event Montero isn’t ready.

    It just seems crazy to make assumptions on Montero when he’s as young as he is with no experience. I hope he is great right away, but I wouldn’t bet $200M on it.

    Ease him in with a veteran there to handle most games.

    p.s. Are Martin’s declining #’s a result of injury? That seems to be a good possibility, in which case he might be a steal.

  188. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    Montero is 20. Yankees want to believe he will be ready, but need to be prepared that he may need more time behind the plate. It has nothing to do with them assuming he can’t hack it as a catcher.

  189. randy l. December 13th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    “I’m still shocked that everyone assumes Montero is ready. He might not be.”

    bd-

    i think he’s ready to see what he can do at the mlb level.

    i think it’s likely he’s struggle at first. he didn’t take off right away a triple a.

    i wouldn’t be opposed to letting him get started in scranton and then come up when the warmer weather starts which also would delay his arbitration clock.

    i’m prepared that montero may struggle in the spring, but i think he’ll heat up as the summer progresses.

    the big problem is that the yankees have their own built in problems of slow starting players in the spring which could put added pressure on montero.

    the good news if montero slumps badly in the spring and is sent back to triple a is that we won’t have to worry about him going in a blockbuster trade since he’ll be labeled a bust.

    i want him to be a yankee.

  190. BD (Boston Dave) December 13th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    p.s. Martin is just one option

    But the Yanks should acquire a veteran catcher as insurance for Montero, at the very least.

    Get a backup plan.

  191. jacksquat December 13th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Tom in N.J. December 13th, 2010 at 11:36 am
    Martin’s hip was not only broken the injury also tore the labrum in the hip.

    His agent was saying his labrum is not damaged. I don’t think the Yankees would show this much interest if his medicals indicated there are serious doubts he could play.

  192. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    p.s. Are Martin’s declining #’s a result of injury? That seems to be a good possibility, in which case he might be a steal.

    ___

    Possibly. Even if his hitting is down, he is good at throwing runners out, which means he will be catching AJ Burnett.

  193. GreenBeret7 December 13th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    If Texas does sign Beltre, they’ll have to moveYoung to DH/Utility infielder or to another team. His value is no more than what Jeter’s value would be to another team, but without the name. He’s not really that good of a 3rd baseman. Texas would have to pay about half of the remaining contract to move it and that makes Betre a $20 mil a year 3rd baseman. What they get back will depend on how much they pay. The Dodgers, Oakland or San Diego may be 2 of the teams that could pay the price in pitching to get him.

  194. pat December 13th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    “Martin?s hip was not only broken the injury also tore the labrum in the hip.”

    Reports of a torn labrum were not true according to his agent.

  195. Mell December 13th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    BD:

    Martin’s hip injury occured in August 2010.

  196. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Goal #1 in April: Mark Teixeira HAS TO hit more than .150. Enough of this slow start crap. Figure it out, play more Spring Training games, more swings, whatever, but figure it out.

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  198. J. Alfred Prufrock December 13th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    nless Posada hits .400, i don’t see the yankees bringing him back next season.

    I DON’T see it either but don’t underestimate how a rested Posada could energize the lineup.granted he doesn’t have super power but has enough & from both sides and could be energized once he gets past disappointment of not being in the catching mix. he’s a guy who is potentially a hit-for-average, walk and slug,which is valuable esp hitting from both sides.if it works out ideally with Po i could see possibly ONE more year (1-yr deal) after that they’ll need DH for ARod,etc.i think some leave Po out of consideration when pondering the 2011 lineup.he is a very good hitter and could be huge for that lineup.

  199. ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    J, I agree about Posada’s role in the lineup. I still view him as the true leader of this team. I think having him playing 5-6 times a week in the 6 or 7 spot means a huge difference. I felt the biggest loss in 2008 was Posada’s leadership on the field.

  200. austinmac December 13th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    If the reports of the Yankees pursuit of Martin are true, it does tell us they have doubts about his immediate catching ability. If so, where does he play?

    If they could sign Lee and trade for Upton, that would be wonderful in my view, but too much money I expect. I would also be willing to move Montero for Greinke. A player without an available position is not the franchise player others have described.

  201. Tom in N.J. December 13th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    “Reports of a torn labrum were not true according to his agent.”

    Fair enough.

  202. bruceb December 13th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    Does anyone seriously believe that Cliff Lee hasn’t made his mind up yet? How much money can one man possibly want? After all, he won’t have much time to spend it playing 181 games a season. If he wanted to play in New York, surely he would be here by now? This all stinks of the fish that got away…at the last trade deadline and now in the off season. The vibes aren’t good.

  203. Gary December 13th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Like everything else I think the Yanks have the best possible medical staff that could be gotten. I suspect, no I’m positive that top notch Ortho doctors are looking at all the Martin history. I agree with a previous poster, unloess they get a clean bill of health they aren’t going to go there.

    Nearing noon, seems like it’s getting late for anything today Lee wise. Gearing up for Vikes/Giants anyways. Big game for the G Men.

  204. Gary December 13th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Bruce who knows it’s a soap opera of sorts. Maybe he a procrastination type of person, unit pricing at the super market for 20 minutes to decide what can of soup they should by. :-)

  205. Lori December 13th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    I have no doubt that Lee made up his mind. But, despite the big bucks involved and the number of fans waiting for his decision, this is probably the biggest career decision of his life and has a major impact on him and him family. I don’t question his need to take the weekend to think about it, talk to his family, and make sure whichever decision he is making is the right one.

    That being said, it’s now Monday at noon. I’d love for him to share his decision with the rest of us . . .

  206. J. Alfred Prufrock December 13th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    ac1 December 13th, 2010 at 11:47 am
    J, I agree about Posada’s role in the lineup. I still view him as the true leader of this team. I think having him playing 5-6 times a week in the 6 or 7 spot means a huge difference. I felt the biggest loss in 2008 was Posada’s leadership on the field.

    YEAH makes it super hard on a pitcher getting thru the lineup w Po taking tons of pitches as he can in 6 or 7 spot,good point.also it presents conundrum for a mgr trying to match cos Po can just turn ‘er around. 2008 definitely crashed when Po went down,the leadership and of course the bat.joba injury just put it officially on ice,he was pitching so well for us.

  207. West Coast Yankee Fan December 13th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    The end game is here. Good stuff.

  208. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    I’m growing restless…

    http://twitter.com/NYYrumors/s.....5585319936

  209. randy l. December 13th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    if posada wants to make the hall of fame he should continue playing after this year with the yankees or some other team.

    carleton fisk is borderline hall of fame if he quit at 40. he hit a hundred more home runs from age 39 on.

    there’s no reason for posada to quit unless he wants to retire as a yankee.

    i’d think that making the hall of fame would be more important than retiring as a yankee.

    he could pile up some offensive stats with some other team that might get him over the top for the hall of fame.

    posada is a tough guy.
    he can keep playing if he wants to.
    for one thing, he’s one of the few guys who can breath in big game playoff situations.

  210. GreenBeret7 December 13th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    To paraphrase Admiral Chester Nimitz to Admiral Halsey: “Turkey trots to water. Where is; repeat; where is Cliff Lee? The world wonders”.

  211. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Randy,

    I can see Jorge Posada signing with Oakland after this year on a Billy Beane special and extending his career 2 more years to get into the HOF.

  212. Mike Ri December 13th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Bret — i can’t pull up the twitter link . . .They blocked twitter at work ?? what does it say

  213. coney1 December 13th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    incarceratedbob **BREAKING NEWS** The decision has been made Cliff Lee ‘s agent alerted Rangers that he will officially announce he is staying in Texas
    14 minutes ago via web
    Reply .

  214. Wave Your Hat December 13th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    The Yanks’ pursuit of Martin continues to puzzle me. I feel like it is bad news about something, but what I don’t know. What salary is being offered will tell us something – $2M is one thing and $5M is another.

  215. Captain Clutch December 13th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Lee has definitely made up his mind. His agent will probably spend the next couple of hours trying to get every last nickel and dime. I am sure that is why he spoke to Cashman today asking for more $$. I think all of this mystery talk is good news for the Yanks. His agent knows that Texas has offered more than they probably can afford but it sounds like they are trying to see if they can get another dollar or so out of the Yanks.

  216. GreenBeret7 December 13th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Why would Posada willing sign to play in a pitcher’s park to add to his numbers?

  217. LGY December 13th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    I think Lee made his decision basically when the Yankees made their 7 year offer.

    I think he was ready to sign the contract at least 24 hours ago, but is just holding out a bit longer to get more money.

  218. Bret The Hitman December 13th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Mike Ri,

    My Twitter link says:

    Too quiet here. I’m getting awfully tempted to follow Alyssa Milano for all the wrong reasons… #CliffLeedowntime #HottestYankeesfanalive

    8 minutes ago via web

  219. LGY December 13th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    I thought incarceratedbob said he made the decision 2 days ago :???:

  220. Chip December 13th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Wave Your Hat December 13th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
    The Yanks’ pursuit of Martin continues to puzzle me. I feel like it is bad news about something, but what I don’t know. What salary is being offered will tell us something – $2M is one thing and $5M is another.

    ———————-

    I wouldn’t worry.

    Remember in 2008 when the Yankees went into the season with Hughes and Kennedy in the back of the rotation and no insurance – then Hughes got hurt and Kennedy stunk and the Yankees were stuck with guys like Sidney Ponson? They don’t want to go through that at the catcher position this year.

    The ideal situation is that Jesus Montero takes hold of the spot like Jeter and Cano siezed their spots – but if that’s not the case the Yankees want a better option than Cervelli or having to rely too heavily on Posada.

  221. Patrick December 13th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    BD,

    Yes I would put Montero as the starting catcher even of he’s worse than Posada behind the plate. It’s time to at least see what Montero can do.

    Also to anyone that doesnt believe the “mystery team” is a myth created by Lee’s agent, this is what Buster Olney says, “Remember: if you ever read about a ‘mystery team,’ it can only come spoon-fed from an agent who is trying to create leverage.”

  222. Erin December 13th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Incarcerated Bob is at it again. Didn’t he say he was signing with NYY last week?

  223. Mike Ri December 13th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    LOL thanks Brett !!

    New Thread —->

  224. Erin December 13th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    New Post-Cashman: “When they do, the whole world will know.”

    :arrow:

  225. oak2455 December 13th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    incarceratedbob **BREAKING NEWS** The decision has been made Cliff Lee ’s agent alerted Rangers that he will officially announce he is staying in Texas
    14 minutes ago via web
    the Guy is a CLOWN

  226. J. Alfred Prufrock December 13th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    there’s no reason for posada to quit unless he wants to retire as a yankee.

    DOUBT that Po would quit just because he wouldn’t be yank.not if he has the kind of year with the bat he is surely capable of.

  227. Bad Scooter December 13th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    This incarcerated dude is a trip. Keep trying guy. Maybe you’ll be right once. I thought the announcement was going to be yesterday at 5:30 according to this guy?

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