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Too bad Cashman didn’t get Haren last year. I always liked him and hoped he would get him when they had the chance. Now we can thank Jack Z. for pulling out of the trade otherwise Montero wouldn’t be here and Lee would of left anyway and the Yanks would be screwed. I hope Cash doesn’t trade Montero or the B’s for some average starter.
“This whole offseason is an unmitigated disaster”
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no. Committing 7 years/150 million for a 33 year old pitcher, would have been an unmigated disaster. Fortunately, Philadelphia saved the Yankees front-office from themselves
Cashman better sign Wood tomorrow. Pavano anyone?! lol
Question: is jarrett wright available? He seems like one of those middle of the rotation guys who seem to be the “say no to cliff lee” crowds flavor of the day.
How must the other players who got Lee the chance to make this kind of decision for that kind of money feel?
How does the Player’s Union feel about this?
“The B’s”. I love it. “Generation Trey” all over again. This time, none of the 3 have had a spec of success above AA and the nonsense is already starting.
Here’s a question — will our payroll be below 200 million next season?
Are we on the precipice of the gritty gutty low budget Yankees?
# start_wearing_pink December 14th, 2010 at 12:23 am
We could have signed Lee for just $$$$. No prospects other than draft picks which we would have wasted anyway. Like Cito Culver. Cito Culver will be bagging my groceries at Kroger a few years from now, while Anthony Ranaudo will be packaged with Stolmy Pimentel for another superstar.
I do agree that Cashman will not and should not make any rash moves.
2011 is a bridge year for us. The question is, a bridge year to what? A bridge year to success or to continued failure, with many young players locked up to long-term contracts.
Today was too good a day to let this Lee signing get to me. I got a
care package, my Buster Posey ball and my spring training tickets. C’est La Vie.
craigcalcaterra: Anyone blaming Brian Cashman for NYY not getting Lee is deluded and ignorant. He made the best offer. Lee took less. It’s that simple. less than a minute ago via web
Carl Pavano anyone?
Seriously, invest in the bullpen. Offer Soriano closers’ money. Bring Wood back. A stronger bullpen will significantly help the rotation…
Really glad we got Jeter locked up when we did. Phew…that was a huge need.
OMG ROGER CLEMENS IS IN HANK AND HAL STEINBRENNERS BOX
THIS GUY USED THE YANKEES AS A PAWN
Supernova December 14th, 2010 at 12:22 am
A decent target to look into would be Barry Zito. Resurgence in the beginning half of last year showed he’s still got something and with his huge contract SF might look to move him if something decent came along.
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Arod for Zito…I’d do it.
Tex for Zito…even better.
You can’t blame Cash.
Blame our stupid rude fans who made coming to NY look like they were entering Hell to Lee’s family.
I love this spend $50 mm on the bullpen story…..he fellas, someone needs to get the ball to the pen remember.
Boston and Philly fans better never say anything about the Yankees buying a championship. Philly must be this magical place that they got Halladay and Lee to leave a ton of money on the table. Amaro is better than Theo, Theo never got a player to leave $50m on the table..unreal. This is embarrassing for the Yankees organization.
Anyone thinking Lee factored in the Yankees treatment of Jeter???
Jeter did announce that the negotiations through the press made him angry.
So maybe Lee got wind that Rivera really wanted to pitch for the Red Sox and also noticed how the Yankees abused Jeter during his negotiations and thought that the Yankees were not worthy of his talents.
Ruben Amaro may officially have taken the title of Ninja GM away from Brian Cashman tonight.
Unreal. Dumb move by Lee. Hope Cash has something good up his sleeve, or next season ain’t looking good.
I’d like to see SJ on here defending some of the comments he has made to people who don’t agree with his line of thinking, especially “sure things” like signing Cliff Lee.
The man played an entire organization, fanbase, and sports reporters.
Zito looks real good. Those huge paycheck guys that get left off the playoff rosters of NL West teams are the ones that always deliver in the AL East.
Brian the Elf is the new Charlie “I’ve Got A Rock” Charlie Brown. Epic failure. Here’s our 2011 Yankees. Too old to be rebuilding; not good enough to contend.
Lee took that much less just because a couple of idiots insulted his wife? That can’t be the reason………………and if it is, then he’s an idiot to think that those fans represent all Yankee fans. Philly fans are the worst, in any case. I mean, why didn’t he go to the Rangers then – who offered him more than the Phillies.
He didn’t want to pitch here, period.
I guess for folks that think (this is not directed to anyone in particular) Cash is a bad GM, this is a bitter defeat because now Montero will be traded for crap. I don’t think that’s happening – Cash is too smart for that.
We took time to sign Derek Jeter.
We worked with that scuzzball Casey Close. As if Close is anything at all. If I were Cashman, I would have said to Close “Ive got other business to attend to. You’re garbage. You’ll sit in the corner over there and wait until Im ready to speak to you about Jeter’s contract. Nevermind, you can speak to Jean Afterman about Jeter’s contract. You’re not worth my time.”
Carlo,
I don’t care.
I just want to dump Arod or Tex.
Someone should check on Nolan Ryan and make sure he is ok….
to do list:
1) sign Rafael Soriano
2) talk Pettitte into returning in 2010
3) sign Rich Harden to a 1 year low money/incentive contract
4) explore option of 3-team Matt Garza trade
BloggingBombers NYY official: ?Anybody who would leave $50M on the table obviously doesn?t want to pitch in New York. Thank God we found out in time.?
Cashman was never the ninja GM. He was deemed that by fans that wrongly gave him that title for offering MT the fattest check.
Ruben Amaro is stealth.
jeter hurts us on the field enough, no need to bring up how he hurt us off the field now.
This team has some real problems. Problems that could have been masked bu dominant starters.
It could have been worse. We could have traded Montero for Lee in July and then he would have left us for Philly. At least we still have Montero.
@Bret
If by some miracle, we could sign Pujols and dump Teixeira, that would be great. Im sick of Mark’s 4 months a season and no October performance. A guy who is streaky and can go in the tank at any time.
I wonder what the Rangers offer was. Lee might have taken less to play for the Phillies than he would have gotten from either the Yankees or the Rangers. The Rangers had supposedly gone to 6 years for him.
The Phillies will have an incredible rotation, no doubt about that. A tough team just got tougher.
Banuelos, Betances, Brackman and Montero should all be pulling out their suitcases right now.
If you think he’s not going to trade the farm to build a rotation you’re sorely mistaken.
The Steinbrenners and the Yankees will not go into the season next year with CC, AJ, Hughes, Nova and possibly Pettitte as the rotation. That rotation couldn’t win this year.
They are going to trade the farm for a pitcher you’re all going to hate.
to do list
1)Sign Martin
2)Trade for Greinke
3)Sign Pettitte
4)Sign Soriano
yankeefeminista December 14th, 2010 at 12:31 am
G. Love December 14th, 2010 at 12:23 am
I’m sorry and you guys are going to hate this, but I blame this on the drunk mook morons who thought it would be fun to harass the Texas family section …
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Let’s make this clear once and for all. One late arriving loser threw a beer after the game. The Yankee fans weren’t harassing the family section. The family section was making a scene hollering and bushing it up. People were mostly ignoring them. And in fact, after the beer was thrown, the Yankee fans were the ones who tried to help out, find the guy and restore order. Therefore, if you weren’t there, please stop spreading rumors.
Sam:
You offered to take questions,
What pitchers would you go after, both starters and relievers?
It’s not a dumb move for Lee – the guy is extremely wealthy and he’s going to pitch in a place he likes.
Per the chat, a Yankee official is quoted as saying that clearly Lee just didnt’ want to pitch in NY. So, I think it’s probably a good thing he didn’t sign. Philly is a brutal place to play, maybe more so than NY, but he knows Philly, so…….
AND the Astros are paying a good chunk of Oswalt’s salary next season!!
BloggingBombers NYY official: ?Anybody who would leave $50M on the table obviously doesn?t want to pitch in New York. Thank God we found out in time.?
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Or you found out a week too late.
I actually feel kind of bad for the Rangers. I mean we spit on the wife but what did they do wrong?
Now we get to watch a team with virtually no starting pitching age and falter. Yeah, 2011 is a bridge . . . To Nowhere. $200M buys this??
Instead of shooting for the moon, Cashman settled for Javier Vazquez. He settled for Vazquez with the expectation of bidding on and signing Lee this offseason. Maybe had he gotten someone else in place of Vazquez, we could have won the World Series without that miserable failure Vazquez and had other options than Lee this offseason.
There isn’t even a pitcher out there that’s worth getting that anyone is going to be willing to trade.
TBrownYahoo Source: Rangers final offer to Lee — 6 years plus vesting option, $23 mil per year.
I’m glad he’s not coming. Don’t like the guy and if he’s leaving major ducketts not pitch than its all good. Loved beating down on Philly in the ’09 series with him on the team. Hope the squad gets that chance again.
Bret:
Grienke is my favorite non Yankee pitcher in baseball. However, i don’t believe it work for him in NYY. The NY media would eat him alive. I am familar with SAD
Why are you moderating that chat? It’s midnight on a weekday. Just let people talk..
G. love-
How’d they do in 2009? But I do agree acquisitions will be made. I also disagree that they will trade the entire farm to make them.
The Yankees will be held over the barrel by every single team in every single conversation. The same will be true in free agent conversations.
The yankees are now the crosseyed blacked out drunk chick at the frat party who has gone upstairs in the house and just started walking in bedrooms.
goodnight everyone
Seriously. What’s our payroll right now without Pettitte and no Lee signing. It’s got to be well under 200 million, no?
Cashman should do nothing and trot the same team out and wait for teams to fall from the race and pluck players in deadline deals we don’t have to overpay on.
Getting a real starting pitcher right now will cost us our 4 top prospects.
“Banuelos, Betances, Brackman and Montero should all be pulling out their suitcases right now.”
Nobody wants Banuelos, Betances, Brackman.
Those guys are only deemed prospects on this blog.
They have no value.
Forget Greinke. The Royals want a King’s Ransom, and he ain’t da King.
Texas’s offer was 6 years/$23M with a vesting option for 7th. Dude left oodles of cash behind. MLBPA has to be a tad PO’d.
NYYrumors
Lee camp balked at PED provision in NYY contract. Yankee front office didn’t want repeat of Arod debacle #CliffLee #Steroids #Yankees
Maybe Lee was just waiting for philly to make him an offer? He didn’t want to pitch for NYY regardless of the salary. I bet Rangers fans are just as mad as us. And I don’t think we are in a heap of trouble without him. We managed just fine last season with 3ish starters. We just need to keep Montero.
Anyone thinking Lee factored in the Yankees treatment of Jeter???
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Why? The money they were trying to save with Jeter was supposed to go to Lee.
Lets sign Blanton!
Cashman didn’t fail.
Gave best package of any team.
Can’t force someone to sign.
Better pitching move for Lee – NL batters.
Philly lifestyle ??? Sheeesh.
With some of our ‘fringe fans’ out there…there may be alot of “lunger” out there if Mrs. Lee graces the Stadium at any point…..lotta “lunger”.
You can now buy Texas Rangers tickets on sale at Wal-Mart for $4.00 per seat.
Hope they enjoyed their ride.
My guess – Mr. Cashman has a few other folders in his briefcase….they should be interesting reading !!!
More fun ahead, Yankee Fans, more fun ahead !!!
This is a set back but it’s not a disaster. Just wait and let’s see what happens.
The Yankees have been very steady and methodical in the way they’ve acted since George stepped aside.
I don’t think that’s going to change now. The yanks reported take on Greinke points to this. They are hopefully not going to try to fit a square peg into a round hole.
They were in the process of trying to get younger. They should move forward in that direction and take their risks with next season.
Bronx Jeers,
But the abuse to the Captain, legend, icon from the front office coupled with the abuse from the fans seems like an attack from all angles.
Maybe not the best place to spend 7 years of your life.
Well, the only “upside” to this is that we can release all our vitriol now. No one will expect this team to do anything next year, so the negative posts will be less common. That’s a good thing, pom-pom wavers, right?
start_wearing_pink December 14th, 2010 at 12:26 am
# start_wearing_pink December 14th, 2010 at 12:23 am
We could have signed Lee for just $$$$. No prospects other than draft picks which we would have wasted anyway. Like Cito Culver. Cito Culver will be bagging my groceries at Kroger a few years from now, while Anthony Ranaudo will be packaged with Stolmy Pimentel for another superstar.
“Anyone thinking Lee factored in the Yankees treatment of Jeter???”
No.
Bronx Jeers,
My husband does. He has said it right along.
start_wearing_pink December 14th, 2010 at 12:26 am
# start_wearing_pink December 14th, 2010 at 12:23 am
We could have signed Lee for just $$$$. No prospects other than draft picks which we would have wasted anyway. Like Cito Culver. Cito Culver will be bagging my groceries at Kroger a few years from now, while Anthony Ranaudo will be packaged with Stolmy Pimentel for another superstar.
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Take your food stamps along this time.
Man the Mets are seeing a division title until 2018 or something like that
http://i56.tinypic.com/zvzmkl.jpg
start_wearing_pink December 14th, 2010 at 12:40 am
“Banuelos, Betances, Brackman and Montero should all be pulling out their suitcases right now.”
Nobody wants Banuelos, Betances, Brackman.
Those guys are only deemed prospects on this blog.
They have no value.
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Still trolling?
If Lee let a few fans determine his future, then he was not right for NY………….The Yankees did not abuse Jeter and I doubt Lee paid any attention to those. He probably wanted the Phillies all along and strung the Rangers and Yankees along until he got what he wanted. I thank the Phillies for coming in and putting an end to this charade.
I abhor the way the yanks treated Jeter.but trying to drag that into this is a stretch, at best.it’s also the height of ridiculousness to lay the blame at Cashman’s feet for this.how the hell high is he expected to go?Cashman needs to ignore the alarmists like people here who have amnesia on who the pitching staff was when we won the WS.he needs to hold on tight to montero,our big stick to go with cano for the next five or so seasons.no mortgaging of the future to fix something that ain’t broke.sweeten andy’s $$ an he comes back.get wood back in here. we’ll be fine.
I am actually glad he went to Philly, it was obvious he did not want to come to NY. If he did this would not have taken nearly as long as it did. I would rather have a younger pitcher that actually wants to be a Yankee then an old fool who is just here for the check
Tandil1368 – I am with you…he never wanted to wear the pinstripes.
It stings to lose Lee, but I wasn’t too happy that the Yankees had to go up to seven years. Back in ’95 we lost Maddux to the Braves, yet what did it matter. We were on the cust of four World Championships. Let’s do it again.
Now before everyone wants to jump off a cliff of the non Lee variety, remember we won 95 games last year without Lee. Cashman need to get Pettitte back for one more year. Overpay if we have to. A bunch of money just freed up, that’s for sure. A full season of Pettitte, and whomever we replace Vazquez’s 5.00 ERA spot, means we’re on course for 96-100 win season. The Yankees are still in good shape.
I am right there with you MikeD. I just think that Cash messed up by putting all his eggs in one basket with Lee and to me that was his mistake. I thought 7 years was way to long for a pitcher on the wrong side of 33. All they really need to do now is bring back Andy and pick up some solid relief unless a decent trade opportunity comes up. I don’t think they should give up the farm either, they have pretty good future down in the minors.