Just throwing a name out there: Fausto Carmona
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 15, 2010 
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In anticipation of the inevitable pipe-dream trade suggestions that will follow the Cliff Lee signing — many of which are already floating through the comments of this very blog — I started working this afternoon on a list of every top-of-the-rotation starter in baseball. Not prospects or solid veterans, but guys who could legitimately step into the Yankees No. 2 spot behind CC Sabathia, filling the spot Lee was supposed to occupy. Phil Hughes upgrades, essentially.
I’m still going through team-by-team, but I paused when I got to the Indians and saw Fausto Carmona’s name.
I hadn’t thought much about Carmona this winter, but the Indians stink and Carmona’s contract is reasonable. Just as I was writing a few sentences about him, Jon Paul Morosi reported that Carmona is generating significant interest.
Back in 2007, Carmona seemed to be on the verge of a big career. Then he came crashing back to Earth with terrible numbers in 2008 and 2009. Last season was a big bounce-back year for him. He’s not a sure thing – Hughes might very well outpitch him next season — but Carmona is owed a little more than $22 million for the next three seasons combined, and that third season is an option year. Given the going rate for pitchers, that’s not bad.
The Indians don’t need a catcher, but they could certainly use some upper-level pitching, and the Yankees have plenty of that. Morosi says the Indians aren’t actively trying to trade Carmona, but they’re willing to listen.
Just a guess, but I’d say he’s a more reasonable trade target for the Yankees than someone like Zack Greinke or Felix Hernandez.
No, thank you.
Of course he’s generating interest – he can throw 200 innings, the Indians stink and he’s got a reasonable contract. Teams would be silly to not look into him.
Just throwing it right back!
Thome hit .302 .455 .698 1.154 with 19 HRs in only 180 ABs in 2010.
I would pay him 1.5 million to collect 180 ABs and hit 19 HRs.
If your bench spots are BLANK, Catcher, Nunez, and Outfielder
Who the heck is taking up Blank and Outfielder?
“Significant interest” means competition, which in turn lends itself to overpaying. Something to consider only if Pettitte retires, IMO.
For the amount of money he’d receive, if he isn’t any good or not useful they could trade him or release him.
# MoRings42 December 15th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
This blog has turned to crap since Pete left. I’m sick of that giant PC Richards banner that pops up every time I come here and pushes the page down. That doesn’t make me want to shop at PC Richards, it makes me want to avoid them. I also just now, got an actual pop up when I clicked on the comments.. What is this? My computer is clean and I have a pop up blocker. You’re not helping your cause by trying shove advertisments down our throats…
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Mentioned it earlier. Could he regain form behind CC as well? I do also remember him getting rocked by the Sox though right? Don’t want a repeat of that. I do think he is attractive though with his stuff and his age. I am just not sure what you coudl hope for? A #2, 3 or 4 pitcher? I think the point in making a bold move for pitching is to find someone to fill the void in the #2 slot. AJ slipped out of it. Hughes may be another year away. And Andy may or may not be back but is old. So playoffs do you have two dependable guys or two guys who can shut guys down.
Carmona strikes out like 5 guys per 9. He is not and will never be a good pitcher. The fact you even think he’s a solution probably means this job is not for you.
The Indians don’t need a catcher, but they could certainly use some upper-level pitching, and the Yankees have plenty of that.
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Chad-
Who are you referring to when you say a catcher or upper level pitching?
Chip reference my last post, Yes I understand that obviously all the Giants did was add DeRosa and bam Champions.
My point I guess is that just because the Yankees look like they are not going to make all of these major splash moves this winter it doesn’t mean that they still can’t win #28 next fall.
Carmona is a sinkerball pitcher not a strikeout guy and probably is more a strikeout guy than Wang was. He also is capable of pitching at a high level, but can be erradict as well.
Jerkface December 15th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Thome hit .302 .455 .698 1.154 with 19 HRs in only 180 ABs in 2010.
I would pay him 1.5 million to collect 180 ABs and hit 19 HRs.
If your bench spots are BLANK, Catcher, Nunez, and Outfielder
Who the heck is taking up Blank and Outfielder?
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Fine,
Yankees aren’t doing it – but whatever – I’ve suggested some nutty things myself. Keep yourself happy with it.
What about Derek Lowe ???
The last thing we need is a 90mph sinker ball pitcher, similar to Wang.
UnKnown December 15th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Chip reference my last post, Yes I understand that obviously all the Giants did was add DeRosa and bam Champions.
My point I guess is that just because the Yankees look like they are not going to make all of these major splash moves this winter it doesn’t mean that they still can’t win #28 next fall.
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Agreed.
Mike Ri December 15th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
What about Derek Lowe ???
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I hear he’s kind to small children and animals. As a pitcher I’m glad he’s a Brave.
You’re less flexible as a 25 man roster. Thome can’t run, he can’t field and there are very few spots where he’s going to be asked to pinch hit.
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Thome’s contract in itself is flexible because its so cheap. And he’d be tradeable.
I would pinch hit Thome for Martin, Gardner, Jeter, any of the reserve players, and maybe even Montero!
I think Girardi could get very creative in giving him playing time.
The Yankees lineup and roster next year is highly unproven. You have no idea if Martin could grab the starting catcher spot, or what Montero is going to do or if he is even going to be on the team. Having a potent bat on the bench that you can match up with, and give 1-2 games a week at DH is worth 1.5 mil.
LOL LOL Chip .. He’s a gamer though Chip. can eat up innings ..
Irreverent Discourse December 15th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
108 stitches – you must be about 15 years old if you believe that’s how divorce effects people.
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Been there – done that. At no point did I brood about it or take it to work. It was a before and after work thing as it should be.
Either Burnett couldn’t or wouldn’t separate the two. And he only had to take the ball once every 5 days.
Raja, what do you mean we don’t need another Wang. In the 2 1/2 years prior to his injury, he won more games than ANY pitcher in either league!!!
90 mph sinker is a tad off. He throws considerable harder than that. Also has a slider and a few more pitches than Wang did. Wang was a two pitch pitcher. Carmona gets far more swings and misses.
Carmona can pitch in a plague of insects. That could be valuable with humanity set to expire in 2012.
But he absolutely smoked em that night. Melky got him and then he was lights out.
Pivotal AB by ARod. Carmona won. Pettitte was an animal as well. Was it Sizemore that got stranded after a lead-off triple?
Awesome game. Until it ended.
The Giants didn’t just add DeRosa before last year, they signed Aubrey Huff. And they wouldn’t have come close to making the playoffs without him.
If the Yanks had signed Huff instead of Nick Johnson, might have been the Yanks who wound up on top.
Giants also signed Bengie Molina as a returning FA last year (traded during the year).
mick December 15th, 2010 at 3:33 pm e
The Indians don’t need a catcher, but they could certainly use some upper-level pitching, and the Yankees have plenty of that.
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Chad-
Who are you referring to when you say a catcher or upper level pitching?
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Just referring to the Yankees minor league system in general. They have depth at two spots. Catcher is one of them, but that might not interest the Indians. The Yankees also have plenty of upper-level pitching, and I’m guessing they could build a package around some of them. Maybe headline it with one of the Brackman-Betances-Banuelos trio, and back it up with someone from the second tier.
I have no idea whether the Yankees would even be interested, just trying to point out that they probably could make a deal if they really wanted to. Obviously Carmona is not a flashy name, but I don’t think he would come cheap on the trade market.
Not suggesting the Yankees would do it or should do, I just think they could do it if they wanted to.
I would trade for Carmona for the right prospects. My guess is that any team that the Yankees trade with will try to hold up the Yankees now that they did not get Lee. It makes no sense to overpay for a guy like Carmona.
If you were Cashman, would you trade AJ for Carmona and eat some of AJ’s contract?
“I’m taking less money…Making 24 million a year.”
Chambliss – you’re right about Cash getting held up. And, no, I wouldn’t make that trade. FWIW.
AJ for Carmona? And that solves what exactly? Both guys with potential who have struggled, but AJ’s stuff is clearly much better than Carmonas. He just needs to get mechanics right as it is all about control and location.
So is anyone expecting to hear any Roger Clemens comeback rumors this winter?
Ha ha ha.
Carmona at the right price?
Probably more likely than a Felix Hernandez or Zach Grienke trade.
I’d definitely look into that, but not at the expense of Hughes or CC or a few others.
Trade package w/AJ for him or Johnson?
Maybe, depending on the $ involved. But AJ’s probably got a NT clause.
Well. . I guess we can cross Carmona off the list …………….. NEXT
What is everyone talking about, the Yankees need starters. The plan does not include trading AJ to move another starting pitcher. The key is getting AJ right because when he is right he is better than many others.
Brett Gardner and Joba Chamberlain for Carmona – winner winner chicken dinner.
Ledger_Yankees
AJ’s agent says report of divorce is false.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm….
AJ
2010 – a lost year
2009 – 4.04 195 ks
2008- 4.07 231 ks
2007 – 3.75 era 176 ks
When healthy and right he is huge. Are those stats worse than guys we want to bring in? Doubt it, unless you are talking cream of the crop pitching.
Let’s not also forget a big WS start and until Girardi left him in way too long against the Rangers he was pitching tremendously as well.
left him in too long? he gave up a walk, single and a 3 run homer or something like that. there wasnt even time to get him out.
Jamie Moyer’s thoughts on Cliff’s decision…
http://tinyurl.com/2fnhose
Moyer is in a unique position to reflect on this stunning development. In 2009, Moyer was Lee’s teammate on the Phillies after he was traded over from Cleveland on July 29. Lee pitched great down the stretch to help the Phillies win the NL East, then was sensational in the postseason. Lee, in fact, was the winning pitcher in the only two victories the Phillies had over the Yankees in the World Series.
Not only that, but when Lee was subsequently traded from the Phillies to the Mariners last December — the deal was officially consummated one year ago tomorrow — he stayed in Moyer’s house in Seattle, which the family has kept despite moving to Bradenton, Florida a couple of years ago. In fact, the Moyer abode has become something of a way-station for orphaned Mariner acquisitions — Eric Wedge and his family stayed there while house-hunting following Wedge’s hiring as manager in October.
“You know what? It didn’t surprise me,” Moyer said of Lee’s decision to spurn both the Yankees and Rangers to sign with Philadelphia. “I talked to Cliff the day he got traded to Texas. In fact, it was at my house, where he was staying. I spent time chatting with he and his wife. He obviously knew something was in the works, but he didn’t know what. A few hours later, he found out it was Texas. In talking to him, I realized he truly had a warm spot in his heart for the Phillies.”
And as the negotiations dragged on in recent weeks, Moyer began to ponder the possibility of the Phillies as a destination for Lee.
“When you see the Yankees throw out the offer they did, and Texas throw out the offer they did, and he didn’t jump at either one of them, I felt some other teams were involved, and maybe the Phillies were one of them,” Moyer said.
“I think he had a great experience in Philadelphia, and he understands how close they are to winning. I know he really, really enjoyed the clubhouse there, the professionalism in that clubhouse and being a part of that. Cliff’s a very simple person. It doesn’t take a whole lot to make him happy.
“It was not a financial decision, and I commend him for that. He’s one heck of a teammate and person, a great person. I’m tickled for him.”
you’re right about Cash getting held up. And, no, I wouldn’t make that trade. FWIW..
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So essentially what everyone is saying is that Cashman never really had a Plan B, a plan where in case he didn’t get Cliff Lee that there were deals in place already where he wouldn’t have gotten “held up” because trades and players would have already been discussed. So once again Cashman was caught asleep at the wheel, where now he is scrambling to get some #3 or #4 level pitcher for those almighty high level prospects he’s stashed away for the last 4 years. But to his defense he had a building to rappel down so all of his time had to be spent on rappeling and choosing which wig with the frosted tips he was going to wear.
BrianCoz Kristen Lee on incident in NY: “it had no bearing. It happened as a group.” Said no one spit on her but on others in group #yankees
BrianCoz
Braunecker on A.J divorce report: “colin cowherd has no idea what he’s talking about.” #yankees
Rosy, Some are saying that Lee took a ‘swipe’ at Texas and M’s fans todays presser:
“One was about how Philly fans are great because “they don’t need a teleprompter to tell them too cheer.” I suppose that could be construed as a swipe at the fans in either Texas or Seattle, so that’s fun”
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......-to-cheer/
keep the Yankee powder dry and just bring back Andy.
Braunecker on A.J divorce report: “colin cowherd has no idea what he’s talking about.” #yankees
Maybe there’s a mystery wife…
Just for those folks in the media who don’t watch minor league games, pretty much every reporter who covers major league games, minus Chad for the most part, and for those of you on here who don’t follow the minors, here is a great article from Frankie Piliere.
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/1.....re_twitter
ac1, please you aren’t serious. The guy missed weeks of the season at the end, hadn’t pitched and had struggled during the year. He was up at 100 pitches. In a close game you could tell he was losing it and his arm was tiring. Clearly he shouldn’t have been in the game with the lead and a full bullpen at your disposal.
And on top of that facing Molina who was 2-2 off of him during the game I believe.
“colin cowherd has no idea what he’s talking about.”
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not the first time. Colin Cowherd is a classist, ‘know it all’, who never stops talking. He rivals Francessa, although Cowherd is bit brighter
Cashman needs to go December 15th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
So essentially what everyone is saying is that Cashman never really had a Plan B, a plan where in case he didn’t get Cliff Lee that there were deals in place already where he wouldn’t have gotten “held up” because trades and players would have already been discussed. So once again Cashman was caught asleep at the wheel, where now he is scrambling to get some #3 or #4 level pitcher for those almighty high level prospects he’s stashed away for the last 4 years. But to his defense he had a building to rappel down so all of his time had to be spent on rappeling and choosing which wig with the frosted tips he was going to wear.
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Way too much misplaced faith in Cashman by many here. Last year he was bad, this year he has been clueless.
Just for those folks in the media who don’t watch minor league games, pretty much every reporter who covers major league games, minus Chad for the most part, and for those of you on here who don’t follow the minors, here is a great article from Frankie Piliere.
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Jason: thanks. A big fan of Frankie
“Cashman needs to go December 15th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
you’re right about Cash getting held up. And, no, I wouldn’t make that trade. FWIW..
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So essentially what everyone is saying is that Cashman never really had a Plan B, a plan where in case he didn’t get Cliff Lee that there were deals in place already where he wouldn’t have gotten “held up” because trades and players would have already been discussed. So once again Cashman was caught asleep at the wheel, where now he is scrambling to get some #3 or #4 level pitcher for those almighty high level prospects he’s stashed away for the last 4 years. But to his defense he had a building to rappel down so all of his time had to be spent on rappeling and choosing which wig with the frosted tips he was going to wear.”
Are you serious right now? The Yankees needed pitching this off season and only good free agent pitcher was Lee. He gave him the best deal with the most years and money and Lee didn’t want it. The Yankees don’t need Crawford or any of the other big bats that were out there. They need pitching. I”m sure he will work to get a trade done but if nothing out there is reasonable he will not. He’s not going to be taken advantage of and i don’t blame him. What exactly do you want him to do? Hold other GM’s at gun point so the make trades that are heavily in the Yankees favor? And getting mad because they guy did charity work is just messed up. I can understand if you’re mad because he was on vacation or out partying but come on man?! Have a heart and care about more than winning the WS EVERY YEAR! The Yanks are a good team who WILL get better by the end of the off season.
As trades go, this one could be a solution, but I don’t see Carmona as a #2. Given the current SPs, maybe 3 or 4 behind AJ and/or Hughes.
more from the article Tom linked:
“When you hit a certain point, enough is enough.”
“Money, that is. Which I imagine is a quote that some people will run with in the next 24 hours as evidence that Lee is selfless and team-oriented and stuff. It’ll be interesting to see if anyone who does run with it also notes that, if Lee pitches as well as he believes he can over the next five years, he’ll end up making more money on this deal than he would have on the Yankees deal. And that he’s making more per-year for each of the next five years than he would have on the Yankees.
Which isn’t to slam Lee, of course. Good for him for going where he wanted on what are really great terms. But just be wary of anyone who spins this as a selfless deal in which he turned down the big Yankee dollars on a matter of principle. Because anyone writing that is distorting things pretty significantly.”
What was plan B supposed to be???? Other than the Rockies kid, what free agent did we miss out on for a starting pitcher? And what trade was missed this offseason landing a frontline starter? Any plan B for the Yankees situation was landing a pitcher during the season. And apparently the Yankees had Cliff Lee until the Mariners started fooling around.
Way too much misplaced faith in Cashman by many here. Last year he was bad, this year he has been clueless.
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100% agreed – considering he’s failed at the company’s yearly goal – 9 out of the last 10 years – and the one year he did attain it he had to spend half a billion dollars to do it – I’d say calling him clueless is actually kind…
Rosy -
Thanks for that. I would just want to add my two cents. Moyer says it wasn’t a financial decision. I would say it, to be really accurate, that is wasn’t ONLY a financial decision. He wasn’t going to the Phillies for peanuts just because he liked it there.
In the end, it seems he had three comparable offers on the table and went with his heart. I’d love to know, though, if the Phillies were always an option and they were just waiting for the right dollar amount (in which case, it would seem it was a financial decision with heart thrown in, rather than a heartfelt decision with money throw in). Or, whether the Phillies jumped in when Lee didn’t seem to jump at the Texas and NY offers. Just curious. It makes no difference, really.
pat December 15th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
BrianCoz Kristen Lee on incident in NY: “it had no bearing. It happened as a group.” Said no one spit on her but on others in group #yankees
///Did she also mention that when the yanks were getting pounded,her little group declined to tone down their rah-rah in-your-face antics? Yee-hawing and hooting all the more? Spit on??They should have been tossed over the ledge, one by one. you don’t behave like that in an away building when the home team’s season is crumbling. i was there,over in 214 and I could see and hear th clowns.They’re lucky they got out of there in one piece.
upstate kate -
Good post. Thanks.
But you know, Lee is going to painted as a saint of sorts for choosing the Phillies because no one looks at the dirty details, just the facade of the deal.
No problem Vinnie, it’s amazing what a person can actually write about when they see a player for real, and not half assing quotes from other sources who they themselves get it from other sources.
It’s not hard to do good reporting/ scouting, just some honesty and a good set of eyes.
I don’t blame major league reporters for having no clue about the minors, they work their asses off all year covering the majors, they have no time for the minors, I just wish they would then be honest about their total lack of knowledge, but you never really see that.
People like Madden and others write baseless reports all the time about prospects without having seen them play one time, and it’s a joke they have any credibility at all.
Chad having been a minor league guy is one of the only people who knows the minors at all.
I also have to tip my hat to Joel Sherman in the last year, who might not see the minors, but he at least seems to talk to the right people who know what they are talking about.
Again for anyone who wants to read a good article, here it is. Frankie was a scout, he really knows the mechanics of pitching and hitting, one of the best at what he does.
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/1.....re_twitter
Just how bad is Dontrelle Willis?
Just how bad is Dontrelle Willis?
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Ask your dad.
108 stitches – Did it occur to you that maybe he didn’t want to get divorced? Or that your situation has absolutely nothing to do with his? Or that your job is most likely not nearly as difficult?
Are you serious right now? The Yankees needed pitching this off season and only good free agent pitcher was Lee
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Jeters edge – I was talking about his Plan B – you know the plan he supposedly had in case lee wasn’t signed (remember he talked about casting that net – that so far has gotten him 2 crippled players in Russell Martin and Mark Prior)..
oh and by the way he DIDN’T offer the most money – Texas did..so for all his drooling for Lee the past 2 years he wasn’t even the highest bidder….
now you may say the offseason isn’t over yet – and yes i’ll give him the benefit of the doubt – but do you really think he’s going to surprise us with an awesome deal here….a real GM would have had 3 trades ready to go in case he was embarrassed by not landing cliff lee – those trades should have been announced 3 minutes after the world heard that cliff lee had signed with the phillies..
Amazing. Cashman brings in CC, AJ and Tex in one year. Then he lands Granderson solidifying our OF needs for a few years so we don’t overpay for a Werth. How does Grandy’s 3 years at 13-14 a year look now? He trades and gets Swisher. He takes the brunt of the blame for not getting Santana and Santana contract and health is a disaster and we would no longer have Hughes and others. Yes all just terrible terrible moves.
So what’s the barometer he is judged against? The Red Sox and Theo have missed the playoffs had some lovely signings like Lackey, Cameron, Penny, Baldelli, Smoltz etc and missed the playoffs. He missed on Tex that Cashman stole.
Someone else want to provide a genius GM that has their team repeatedly in the world series and making the playoffs year in and year out???
Ledger_Yankees Lee’s agent says there was nothing more Yanks could have done. Lee wanted to come back to Philly
Phranchise – you just can’t please some people.
That’s the point. Offering more money wouldn’t have worked. Would a full court press by the players for him to come along worked? Who knows but they all seemed to stay away. And if everyone remembers the process one of the biggest recruiters was apparently Johnny Damon for us during his time here.
P December 15th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Just how bad is Dontrelle Willis?
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2 teams last year paid him quite a bit of money to not pitch…
Cashman needs to go December 15th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Way too much misplaced faith in Cashman by many here. Last year he was bad, this year he has been clueless.
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100% agreed – considering he’s failed at the company’s yearly goal – 9 out of the last 10 years – and the one year he did attain it he had to spend half a billion dollars to do it – I’d say calling him clueless is actually kind…
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You act like his job is easy. I’d like to see you do it and negotiate with GMs and agents. They’d take your lunch money and your wife. You ever negotiate multi-million dollar contracts for a billion dollar company? I’m sure you think any one could do it. Douche.
If Cash had three trades ready to go, for the kind of players that would make a difference, he’d have to completely gut the farm system.
Probably Cleveland would demand a ransom worthy of King Felix!
I’ll take Ruben Amaro and his balls of steel over Dorky Deep Pockets Cashman any day….
Trades his precious prospects for Lee
Gets Halladay for slightly better prospects and kicks lee to the curb for more prospects
realizes he f’d up with trading lee and makes up for it by getting oswalt
gets lee back the old yankee way (for nothing but money) while still holding on to the prospects he landed for lee in the first place
also if you think one good month of granderson makes it a great deal then you have more faith then 95% of baseball people have – and for every swisher he’s traded for i’ll give you a chan ho park, nick johnson, krazy karl farnsworth and javy vazquez…
.. meaning it wouldn’t be worth it
Trades his precious prospects for Lee
Gets Halladay for slightly better prospects and kicks lee to the curb for more prospects
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The prospects originally used to acquire Lee were garbage. The prospects he acquired from the Mariners for Lee were garbage.
A real man would have had Lee + Halladay last season.
Rube is real dumb.
You seem to perceive the Yankee’s not winning a world series as some sort of failure. They are just rolling in dough from all this failure. A competitive product is all that can be promised any given season, and the tolls of each season will take the path to the world series many ways. Their *goal* is to win the world series, but the best you can hope for every year is to make the playoffs.
Once you do, it’s anyone ballgame.
Cash doesn’t do his job in a vacuum and not all things are equal. If another team or player doesn’t want to trade with the Yankees, or doesn’t like the players the Yankees have to offer, that’s NOT Cashmans fault.
Before Lee agreed to the Philly contract his agent called Texas and said if you guarantee 7 years he will come back. So what is this bs he loved Philly talk? Obviously the Yanks were 3rd on his list but he gave Texas a counter offer before he told Philly yes. Then in his press conference he said about money “at a certain point enough is enough” yeah ok then why did he try to get $30m more from Texas and only agreed with Philly when they said no.
Hey Inge — Cashman’s job is a lot easier than that of GMs whose teams have low payrolls. Cashman is given an incredibly large budget and what he’s delivered with that has generally been disappointing.
And to those folks who keep writing, “Just bring Andy back”, don’t you think the state of the team might play a factor in his deciding to retire. I mean, even with Pettitte, the Yankees aren’t the creme de la creme of baseball. Philadelphia, Boston, and arguably San Fran have stronger teams.
The Yankees and Cashman don’t do bridge years. The attendance at the Stadium is at or near 4 million and the ratings at YES network and other viewership and radio outlets is good.
Boston saw dips in viewership coupled with angst from fans for ownership sitting on their hands and were forced to appease it or see it dip even further. Hence the Gonzalez and Crawford moves which at least calms their fanbase down for awhile until they realize their pitching is not what they think it is.
Between now and when the Yankees leave Tampa to open the season, they’ll again be a force to be reckoned with. When Cashman says patience, he can’t possibly mean for the season.
He was handcuffed to a point with the Lee fiasco but moves will be made.
would like to have the 29 year old Big Z on this team…..
I Like Inge December 15th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Cashman needs to go December 15th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Way too much misplaced faith in Cashman by many here. Last year he was bad, this year he has been clueless.
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100% agreed – considering he’s failed at the company’s yearly goal – 9 out of the last 10 years – and the one year he did attain it he had to spend half a billion dollars to do it – I’d say calling him clueless is actually kind…
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You act like his job is easy. I’d like to see you do it and negotiate with GMs and agents. They’d take your lunch money and your wife. You ever negotiate multi-million dollar contracts for a billion dollar company? I’m sure you think any one could do it. Douche
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Dude – brain surgery is hard – cancer research is hard…..your job shouldn’t be too hard when you have the most money to spend and for the last 2 years teams have been looking to dump salaries……btw using the word douche – way to keep it classy buddy!!! happy holidays…
I heard a rumor that the Yankees are on King Felix’s no-trade list. It seems that more than a few top pitchers aren’t exactly enamored with New York. (Lee and Greinke). To me, New York is one of the great cities in the world and the Yankees the greatest sports franchise in the world. But clearly, on both accounts, we aren’t everyone’s cup of tea.
So onward we go. $180 million or so down and $35 million more to get it done, spend it wisely Cashman.
Cashman locked in CC, AJ, Tex, Jeter (no choice), Arod and Posada knowing that they would inevitably decline. CC hasn’t at all but the others would be hard pressed to ever be as good as they were in 2009. So if that was his strategy he needed to be able to continually upgrade the rest of the team.
But he hasn’t improved anything since 2009 except getting Granderson to replace Melky. The pitching staff is not as good as 2009, the bullpen isn’t, the bench isn’t, left field isn’t and catcher isn’t. You can’t just say a lot of the guys are the same as 2009 and not figure in they are two years older. For example, Pettitte ’09 is not necessarily the same as Pettitte ’11. The only two guys who have gotten better are Swisher and Cano.
Too many folks oversimplify things in order to defend Cashman or get their hopes up. Its fine to say letting Matsui go was the right move, but who has replaced him? Posada? Probably not.
Cashman was not pro-active last year and was not this year either. So what we will see is “Yankees 2009 just older” unless he gets bold with trading prospects.
This is a very important month for Cashman, especially if Pettitte retires. Let’s see how good of a gm he is. Amaro and Theo get players to take less money to sign with them, Cash is never given a dicount and our players ask for extra money and years to sign. Cash has to give up top prospects for decent players, Theo gives up spare parts for all stars. Cash thought he had 2 trades done for all star pitchers(lee and Haren) and at the last minute he didn’t get the job done. I understand that he has no control over another gm pulling out, but not including someone like Nunez is ridiculous. Let’s see what Cashman can pull off here.
Ruben Locked in Halladay, Lee, Jimmy, Utley, and Howard knowing they would be mega super stars forever.
Genius.
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Yankees officially announce Pettitte deal
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Do they mean Prior?
West Coast… just think for one minute why a player would add the Yankees to their “no trade” list.
What does it take to get a player to waive their “no trade” clause? $$$$$$$$$$$$$ Its about creating some leverage for themselves if they are going to a big market town.
A lot of players add the Yankees and Boston to their list because they can get something for themselves if they are traded.
“Despite rumors circulating yesterday the Yankees were in hot pursuit of Kansas City outfielder Reggie Sanders, a team official claimed there have not been detailed talks between the teams since the Royals changed GMs two weeks ago. The Yankees last month rejected an offer of Sanders for top pitching prospect Phil Hughes.”
Life as a Yankee GM is hard.
clownthrowindown – is it cashman’s fault vazquez and burnett completely imploded last season? that eiland basically wasn’t there to do his job for half the season, and then barely did it when he was?
would the pitching staff look so terrible right now if we could have confidently resigned vazquez after him pitching to expectations? lee would have been an afterthought.
everything would be fine with the rotation and you would still find something else to complain about.
Captain Clutch December 15th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
This is a very important month for Cashman, especially if Pettitte retires. Let’s see how good of a gm he is. Amaro and Theo get players to take less money to sign with them, Cash is never given a dicount and our players ask for extra money and years to sign. Cash has to give up top prospects for decent players, Theo gives up spare parts for all stars. Cash thought he had 2 trades done for all star pitchers(lee and Haren) and at the last minute he didn’t get the job done. I understand that he has no control over another gm pulling out, but not including someone like Nunez is ridiculous. Let’s see what Cashman can pull off here.
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Thats all I’m saying, he totally f’d up last year by bringing in losers like Nick Johnson and Javy Vazquez and so far this year he’s sat on his dorky a$$ waiting for someone who never wanted to come in the first place…..as much as I think he is a loser I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he may actaully have a plan (which i doubt he does)…but if his plan is fausto carmona and he had to give up major pieces for him then the man really is a friggen loser and needs to be let go…
Carl December 15th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Ruben Locked in Halladay, Lee, Jimmy, Utley, and Howard knowing they would be mega super stars forever.
Genius.
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Cashman gave a 37 year old shortstop a 4 year contract paying him 17 million dollars a year coming off his worst season ever….
is it cashman’s fault vazquez and burnett completely imploded last season? that eiland basically wasn’t there to do his job for half the season, and then barely did it when he was
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yes to vazquez (and nick johnson) – 2 players that should have never been on the yankees ever again but cashman somehow thought bringing in losers like that was a good idea…its decisions like that that make me wonder just how smart this guy is….
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Yogi – Felix doesn’t need leverage of any kind.
Players routinely put the Yankees on their no trade list for business reasons. It gives them additional leverage in a trade. They can hold the deep pocketed Yankees up and get compensated for waiving the clause.
Felix is no dummy. He’s thought through how life in Seattle may go and who would really want him and be able to extend him on a nine figure deal after a trade
Cashman needs to go December 15th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
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Tough to be a GM when you call Kyle, Karl – attention to detail is part of being a good GM.
This is a very important month for Cashman, especially if Pettitte retires. Let?s see how good of a gm he is. Amaro and Theo get players to take less money to sign with them.
Who has Theo gotten to play for him for less money?