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Once again building a bridge to Mariano

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 16, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

ALCS Yankees Rangers BaseballThe Yankees are hosting their annual Holiday Food Drive this morning at the Stadium. Mariano Rivera will be there to collect donations for an hour, then he’s going to speak to the media about his new contract. It’s a two year deal that once again puts the ninth inning in safe hands for the Yankees.

The eighth inning is, as usual, up in the air.

Joba Chamberlain and Dave Robertson give the Yankees two young internal options, but the bullpen didn’t come together last year until the Yankees added Kerry Wood at the trade deadline, and bringing in a similar veteran this winter could solidify the late innings.

But the options are dwindling by the day.

Chicago took a chunk out of the market yesterday, with the White Sox agreeing to a deal with Jesse Crain, and the Cubs nearing an agreement with Wood. The Yankees are also known to be looking for a lefty, and another of those also came off the board yesterday with Randy Choate’s deal in Florida.

There are still plenty of names out there, including the top reliever on the market, Rafael Soriano. If Soriano gets a ninth-inning job, the market also offers guys like Bobby Jenks, Jon Rauch, Grant Balfour, Octavio Dotel and Chad Qualls, guys who have late-inning experience and — like so many relievers — have seen various degrees of dominance and unreliability in their careers.

Brian Fuentes, Pedro Feliciano and J.C. Romero are still available from the left side.

As the Yankees shift their offseason focus, the free agent market is no longer able to remake their rotation, and most of the top available hitters are primarily designated hitters who don’t fit the Yankees plans. But free agency could still have a significant impact on the bullpen. The ninth inning is in good hands. Might be time to solidify the seventh and eighth.

Associated Press photo of Wood

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123 Responses to “Once again building a bridge to Mariano”

  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2010 at 9:04 am

    off topic repost

    I just want to share something with you. I received an email that contained a link to a YouTube video. The beauty of the entire scenario made me cry – as it does every time I watch it. As an aside, I used to be a member of the RI Civic Chorale and Orchestra and each Christmas season we would perform Handel’s Messiah. I could never get through the Hallelujah Chorus without crying. The Amen Chorus ran a close second.

    This video has gotten more than 21 million hits and over 29 thousand comments.

    I hope those of you who watch this truly enjoy it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded

  2. Crawdaddy December 16th, 2010 at 9:07 am

    Cashman is casting a wide net, but the fish he’s missing on is due to a conscious decision not to overpay for a player. These reliever signings are hit and miss once the season begins and you watch them actually perform during the season.

  3. Asd December 16th, 2010 at 9:07 am

    Odd that someone earlier felt free to say “I’m just trying to explain Cashmans thoughts” I would think only Cashman could do that.

  4. cspaced25 December 16th, 2010 at 9:07 am

    I’d really like to see them get Fuentas and see how he does as an 8th inning guy not just a lefty specialist. Especially with the Sox so left handed heavy I think he has more upside than a Bobby Jenks. Every game head to head with the Sox this year is going to be a big one.
    And I think Joba should go back to a starter. There’s just too much potential talent being waisted in the 7th inning. Robertson and either a Jenks or Fuentas makes a good 7-8 bridge to Mo.

  5. Mike Ri December 16th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    Great Post Chad ! .. couldn’t have said it better myself !

  6. Keith--FL December 16th, 2010 at 9:15 am

    Cashman better start being proactive with the bench and bullpen now that we lost out on Lee…I am tired of him being cheap with these areas…I am happy we lost out on Lee b/c watching this team last year I really feel we need to strengthen the pen and bench and now we can do it…..If Cashman is doing his usual we’ll just wait and see how things go and make a trade if no one steps up in spring training that won’t work…I mean teams hold up the Yankees for so much more in trades especially at the trade deadline, like Scott Downs for instance…..Cashman your to do list includes:

    - Sign Soriano for the 8th inning and Mariano’s eventual replacement, and yes pay him closer money, 10 Million a year for 3 years

    - Sign Fuentes to be the second lefty

    - Sign both Hairston brothers for bench and 4th outfielder, Scott Hairston mashes lefties

    - Trade for a middle of the rotation guy and convince Pettitte to come back

    Right now we need to do something to shake up Boston and I think getting the bullpen guys of Soriano especially and Fuentes will do that and make it a shorter game for a somewhat shaky rotation after CC…start being proactive Cashman you need to act quick or it will be a long season!!!

  7. Erin December 16th, 2010 at 9:16 am

    I sent my mom an e-mail this morning (she’s a Cubs fan) telling her that it looks like Wood is going back. I thought she’d be all excited, but this was the reply I got “but I loved seeing him as a Yankee” :)

  8. MTU December 16th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    I’d go with feliciano over fuentes for 2 reasons:

    He’s more durable.

    He’s better.

    I’ve seen Fuentes pitch more than I want to. I’ve seen him fail way too many times when he was with the Rockies.

  9. BIG AL December 16th, 2010 at 9:20 am

    besides, Feliciano is a better singer

  10. MTU December 16th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    al-

    Yup. music is DEFINITELY better.

    How about he “lights a fire” under Cash’s rear.

  11. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    For what it’s worth – there aren’t any relievers on the market I think I would surrender the Yankees first round pick for. So that pretty much takes Soriano and Balfour out of the mix.

    Given the pitchers available I would go after:

    Jon Rauch and Chris Ray from the right side

    Fuentes and Feliciano from the left – though my prime LHRP target would be Hong Chi Kuo of the Dodgers.

    I think something along the lines of Joba and a prospect could get Kuo

  12. BIG AL December 16th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Hot stuff ………. If only we knew what Cashman knew, but then the world would know.

  13. JCPD December 16th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    What’s wrong with Tito Puente…… oops, sorry, I see you’re talking about Fuentes ;-)

  14. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Actually here’s my new target for RHP – courtesy of MLBTraderumors.com

    The Mariners are trying to trade David Aardsma, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. As Rosenthal points out, the reliever will earn a raise from his 2010 salary of $2.75MM when he and the Mariners determine his upcoming salary through the arbitration process

  15. MTU December 16th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Chip-

    Doesn’t Kuo’s arm look like Kim Chee though ?

    :)

  16. MTU December 16th, 2010 at 9:26 am

    Al-

    Why would I want to know what’s in Cashman’s mind.

    That joker doesn’t even know how to rappell down a building without lookin’ silly.

    :)

  17. Bret The Hitman December 16th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Feliciano and Fuentes are bums.

  18. BIG AL December 16th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Mike -

    I wonder if Donny Baseball would do us a favor and talk trade with a SP, also, the guy I’d go after, if we could do business with the Indians, is Choo. His bat and D would make a big impact.

    Back later.

  19. MTU December 16th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    JCPD-

    Let’s agree to share notes on our new cameras. Mine came yesterday.

    Looks like you need an advanced calculus course just to turn it on.

    :)

  20. MTU December 16th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Al-

    Love me some Kershaw.

    Choo is great.

    :)

  21. Mell December 16th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    “I think something along the lines of Joba and a prospect could get Kuo”

    Where’s the Dodgers incentive? Why would they want to trade Kuo?

  22. MTU December 16th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    Bret-

    Do you have to mince your words like that ?

    :)

  23. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    Ideally from the left side this kid Fish who they took in the Rule 5 Draft will be able to contribute – 95 mph heat isn’t something you can really teach. Though his near 9 ERA and 2 WHIP in AA last year leads me to believe he’ll most likely be spring training fodder.

  24. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Mell December 16th, 2010 at 9:29 am
    “I think something along the lines of Joba and a prospect could get Kuo”

    Where’s the Dodgers incentive? Why would they want to trade Kuo?

    ———————-

    The Dodgers are looking to make a change – that means breaking with the Status Kuo :-)

  25. JCPD December 16th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    MTU, I’m thinking pretty much the same thing….. had no idea what I was doing with it yesterday and it’s kind of hard to see what the pics look like until I get home and get them on my Mac.

  26. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    ahhh…seriously though.

    Maybe the Dodgers believe Joba can still start; a starter is more valuable than a set up reliever.

  27. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Grrr! Wrong crowd, bad timing, whatever.

    ;)

  28. MTU December 16th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Chip-

    :) :) :)

  29. Bret The Hitman December 16th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    re Bobby Jenks:

    I’d like to outbid the Rays for him. He’s an upgrade over what we have and that’s what matters. It shouldn’t be difficult for C3PO to win that battle.

  30. MTU December 16th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    JCPD-

    In this case, it is rocket science.

    :)

    I’m going out to shoot tomorrow. Kind of a trail run. I’ll post if I get anything good.

    Glad to see you haven’t disappered in a blaze of white.

  31. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    Trisha- truly beautiful rendition. Merry Christmas.

    Fuentes was very good for the Twins, even holding righties to a .202 average. Feliciano is a pure situational lefty, and appeared in a league high 92 games-who knows how many times he was up but not used.

    Feliciano might have the nod in singing, but Fuentes[Tito] is a better fielder!

    Jenks is being courted by the Rays. Dan Wheeler is an option, but Red Sox might have lead.
    Plan B-
    Sign Pettitte
    Sign Fuentes
    Sign either of Balfour or Rauch
    Trade Joba to Cubs for lefty Sean Marshall
    Find fourth OF’er
    Sign Jerry Hairston Jr.

    Other ideas?

  32. JCPD December 16th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    MTU, is a “trail run” similar to a “trial hike” ;-)

  33. Erin December 16th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2010 at 9:31 am
    Grrr! Wrong crowd, bad timing, whatever.

    *****************************
    trisha-I am going to watch it later!!

  34. Mell December 16th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    “Love me some Kershaw.”

    But then you’d miss you some Montero.

    Dodgers won’t move Kershaw, nor should they. Would not entirely shock me if they were willing to discuss Billingsley, though the fact that they ponied up for Lilly and Garland leads me to think that they believe they can compete in the NL west this year, despite that gaping hole in left.

  35. MTU December 16th, 2010 at 9:36 am

    JCPD-

    Yes but only in my dyslexic universe.

    :)

  36. pat December 16th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Before you advocate giving relievers 2 and 3 year deals ask yourself…….how many not named Mariano Rivera have been good (not even great) 2 or 3 years in a row?

  37. MTU December 16th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Mell-

    I can dream can’t I ?

  38. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Bret The Hitman December 16th, 2010 at 9:31 am
    re Bobby Jenks:

    I’d like to outbid the Rays for him. He’s an upgrade over what we have and that’s what matters. It shouldn’t be difficult for C3PO to win that battle.

    ———————-

    Two things:

    1. Maybe Jenks wants to go somewhere that he can be the closer

    2. When has overspending for a non-closer reliever worked out well for the Yankees: Farnsworth, Karsay, Hawkins, Marte, Myers, Quantrill?

    The guys who have produced have tended to be low cost guys or reclaimation projects – Wood, Sturtze, Proctor

  39. Mell December 16th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    “ahhh…seriously though.

    Maybe the Dodgers believe Joba can still start; a starter is more valuable than a set up reliever”

    Status Kuo. Nicely done.

    Dodgers rotation as presently comprised is probably good enough to compete in the NL. It’s not bad. Mattingly has expressed great confidence in Broxton, though after the debacle that was the 2nd half of his season, I don’t think he’d be at all comfortable letting Kuo go. Plus he’s still pretty inexpensive.

  40. Crawdaddy December 16th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    “Before you advocate giving relievers 2 and 3 year deals ask yourself…….how many not named Mariano Rivera have been good (not even great) 2 or 3 years in a row?”

    Which is why some around here are going to be disappointed because Soriano and Balfour aren’t coming nor any other reliever that wants a multi-year contract. I hope Cashman has learned his lesson after Karsay and Marte.

  41. Mell December 16th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    “I can dream can’t I ?”

    What kind of world would be if you couldn’t?

  42. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    How about this:

    Mariners get: Joba, Gardner, Romine

    Yankees get: Aardsma, Figgins

    Move Figgins to LF this year and then next year he can move to 3b with Alex going to DH and the Yankees can pursue Jose Bautista or Grady Sizemore for LF.

  43. Erin December 16th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Ledger_Yankees Yanks make Russell Martin’s deal official.

  44. Doreen December 16th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Trisha -

    I’m going to watch later, too.

    I’m getting ready to pick my folks up from the airport this morning, so I’m doing a lot of last minute stuff to make sure the house is “mom ready.”

    :)

  45. Jerkface December 16th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Mariners get: Joba, Gardner, Romine

    Yankees get: Aardsma, Figgins

    This is like the worst trade. We’re giving up a guy who could probably replicate Aardsma’s season next year AND gardner? And we take on Figgins stupid contract? AND ROMINE?

  46. Erica in NY December 16th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Chip-

    You have memories of Sturtze being productive???????? Really???!?!?!?

  47. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    I was giving this some thought last night – with all the money the Yankees are now not spending on Cliff Lee – do you think it would be worth taking a gamble and making a deal for Carlos Quentin?

    Initially he could serve a bench role much like Marcus Thames did last year, but with that power he could play himself into the mix.

    It would sort of be like the same gamble they’re taking on Russ Martin.

  48. Jerkface December 16th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    The Mariners would skip rope for Joba for Aardsma straight up. or Figgins for Romine straight up.

    And why would we want Figgins?

  49. Zach S December 16th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Really wished they could have locked Wood up. He was great (for the most part) in that role. Oh well.

  50. NJ Pete December 16th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Chip – It takes a lot to actually get me to do more than just read here and I must admit I tend to skip all of your trade proposals but David Aardsma would be an excellent trade target. Let’s see your trade proposal for him.

  51. Angelo Silecchio December 16th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    # Jerkface December 16th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Mariners get: Joba, Gardner, Romine

    Yankees get: Aardsma, Figgins

    This is like the worst trade. We’re giving up a guy who could probably replicate Aardsma’s season next year AND gardner? And we take on Figgins stupid contract? AND ROMINE?
    ———————–

    That trade seriously is gross, lol.

    If the Yanks arent going to be able to bring back Wood I’d love to see them make a run at Jenks. They could prob get Jenks on a 1 year deal since he’ll want to close again, eventually. I think that’s the perfect situation for the team.

  52. 108 stitches December 16th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    It’s reaching the point where Cashman could be told, “Don’t just do something – - stand there, not vice versa.
    Since the end of the 2010 season Cashman said on a few occasions that pitching would be a high priority.
    A No. 3 starter is a need – Andy or no Andy. A reliable 8th inning man is needed and Chamberlain is not the answer as he’s proven already. Expecting Brackman to be the man is a year too soon. No guarantees that Rothschild can fix Burnett or Chamberlain.
    Throw it all out there and things need to get going before the market gets too thin.

  53. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Erica in NY December 16th, 2010 at 9:44 am
    Chip-

    You have memories of Sturtze being productive???????? Really???!?!?!?

    ————————-

    Erica –

    Absolutely. He pitched pretty well at times until Torre blew out his arm by using him every day.

  54. Jerkface December 16th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Let’s see your trade proposal for him.

    Turn back now!

  55. Mike_Boston December 16th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Signing Soriano should be the new priority. Give him closer money for 3 years, get it done and go back to the late 90′s formula of shortening games.

    Can/has he do multiple innings, does anyone know?

  56. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Chip-

    Why do you want to include Gardner?

    Don’t think Figgins is worth anything close to the 9M he’s getting next year.

  57. NJ Pete December 16th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Mariners get: Joba, Gardner, Romine

    Yankees get: Aardsma, Figgins
    ————————————————-
    Forget Figgins. You can do better than this

  58. MTU December 16th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Chip-

    And no one was better in a brawl except for Farnsworth.

    :)

  59. Jerkface December 16th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    The mariners have to trade Aardsma because of money reasons and he isn’t really useful on that team.

    Could probably be had for like… a D prospect.

  60. Mike Ri December 16th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Im goint to pass on Figgins

  61. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    NJ Pete December 16th, 2010 at 9:46 am
    Chip – It takes a lot to actually get me to do more than just read here and I must admit I tend to skip all of your trade proposals but David Aardsma would be an excellent trade target. Let’s see your trade proposal for him
    ——————–

    If we’re talking just getting Aardsma…no other moving parts.

    I would probably go with a prospect for Aardsma.

    Actually I would likely go Joba for Aardsma but I fully admit that my take on Joba’s trade value is very different than that of others here.

    I think he’s highly overrated for what he is at this point. Then again, dealing him for a reliever could be as short sighted as when the Mariners traded Brendan Morrow for Brandon League…I truly can’t give you a solid answer on that.

  62. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Re: Soriano

    No for multiple innings.
    Soriano’s injury history is very concerning. He missed most of the 2004 and 2005 seasons after undergoing Tommy John surgery. In 2008, he missed most of the season because of elbow surgery.

    Soriano’s injury history makes him a risky bet to stay healthy consistently.

  63. miggs December 16th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Trisha-

    I really liked it.. for what its worth.

  64. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Yankee Trader December 16th, 2010 at 9:48 am
    Chip-

    Why do you want to include Gardner?

    Don’t think Figgins is worth anything close to the 9M he’s getting next year.

    ——————

    I’m not actually trading for Figgins for 2011 – I’m looking at a scenario in 2012 where the Yankees could move Alex to the DH spot and use Figgins at 3b. Additionally he could supplant Jeter at the top of the order if El Capitan’s bat goes limp again this year.

  65. NJ Pete December 16th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Thanks Chip

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Doreen, thanks. I thought you’d be a keeper. Erin, you too. :)

    I was making reference to the rather funny takeoff on Jose Feliciano, ha ha! And also, this isn’t the best moment in the Yankee offseason to interject nonbaseball subjects. I understand that too.

    I promise you though if will be a worthwhile watch for some time later on.

    About our sitchy-ation. I’m waiting patiently… (and not understanding why we didn’t race after Wood, though I admit I haven’t been spending a lot of time here so probably missed out on the discussion.)

    Happy day, all.

    :)

    ************

    I have to say I remember Sturtze having some really great moments as a Yankee – until Torre signed him up for the “let me blow your arm out” club.

  67. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Chip- Still don’t like Figgins and his remaining contract.

    4 years/$36M (2010-13), plus 2014 option
    signed by Seattle as a free agent 12/8/09
    $2M signing bonus
    10:$8M, 11:$9M, 12:$9M, 13:$8M, 14:$9M vesting option
    2014 option guaranteed with 600 PAs in 2013

  68. Jerkface December 16th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    For taking on Figgins salary, the mariners might throw in a prospect.

    Aardsma and Figgins and 1 prospect for colin curtis, reegie corona, and eric wordekemper (who might be a minor league FA)

  69. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Angelo Silecchio December 16th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    If the Yanks arent going to be able to bring back Wood I’d love to see them make a run at Jenks. They could prob get Jenks on a 1 year deal since he’ll want to close again, eventually. I think that’s the perfect situation for the team.

    ——————-

    If Jenks wants to close then why wouldn’t he go to a team looking for a closer? There are plenty of teams in need: Angels, Rays, Cards, Brewers, Braves, Nationals, Twins, possibly the Braves if they move Feliz into the rotation.

  70. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Yankee Trader December 16th, 2010 at 9:54 am
    Chip- Still don’t like Figgins and his remaining contract.

    4 years/$36M (2010-13), plus 2014 option
    signed by Seattle as a free agent 12/8/09
    $2M signing bonus
    10:$8M, 11:$9M, 12:$9M, 13:$8M, 14:$9M vesting option
    2014 option guaranteed with 600 PAs in 2013

    ———————

    No problem.

  71. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Miggs – it’s worth everything coming from you. Thanks.

    :)

  72. Jerkface December 16th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    I’m not actually trading for Figgins for 2011 – I’m looking at a scenario in 2012 where the Yankees could move Alex to the DH spot and use Figgins at 3b. Additionally he could supplant Jeter at the top of the order if El Capitan’s bat goes limp again this year.

    .259 .340 .306 .646 with 111 K’s. That is what figgins did last year. He is 33. Why do you think this is a good idea? A-rod is fine at 3rd.

  73. Mike_Boston December 16th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Thanks for the info Trader, I still throw big $ his way, even if it’s for the 8th this and next year eying to close in the 3rd. Get this done and it’s by far the best pen in the majors, huge advantage to have.

  74. BIG AL December 16th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    trisha -

    Thanks for the link. I’ve seen others, by the same company, they have been performing in various malls etc, and get quite an ovation. Very beautiful music.

  75. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 9:57 am

    How about going after Joe Nathan?

    He’s coming off a lost year – has one year left on his contract. Maybe the Twins move him to shave a little money off their books.

    Since he’s coming off the injury you could work out a trade for a prospect and a player to be named later – with the final determination on that player being contingent upon Nathan’s health.

    He would make an interesting lead up to Mo.

  76. Bret The Hitman December 16th, 2010 at 9:57 am

    re: Bobby Jenks:

    I like that he can go multiple innings and doesn’t rely strictly on velocity. He’s an upgrade over Joba and that’s what matters. He improves our team and can be had for money alone. It’s always smart to improve the team without sacrificing prospects.

    Jenks, please.

  77. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2010 at 9:57 am

    miggs December 16th, 2010 at 9:51 am
    Trisha-

    I really liked it.. for what its worth.

    ///seconded :D. that was like a brisk espresso with good friends.very uplifting.

  78. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Apparently Wood’s family lives in Chicago.

    Aardsma 0-6, 31 saves, 5 BS, Whip 1.17 righties .148, lefties .244.

    I would try and see if Seattle would trade him to the Yankees. Velocity? What are his out pitches?

  79. LGY December 16th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Mariners get: Joba, Gardner, Romine

    Yankees get: Aardsma, Figgins

    Move Figgins to LF this year and then next year he can move to 3b with Alex going to DH and the Yankees can pursue Jose Bautista or Grady Sizemore for LF.

    ———————–

    And the award for worst trade proposal ever goes to….drumroll please……

    Chip in “WTF is Chone Figgins doing here!!!!!!!”

  80. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Big Al, thanks. I was really struck by the effect of such beauty being interjected into such an ordinary situation. Makes you feel hope for the world.

  81. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Bret The Hitman December 16th, 2010 at 9:57 am
    re: Bobby Jenks:

    I like that he can go multiple innings and doesn’t rely strictly on velocity. He’s an upgrade over Joba and that’s what matters. He improves our team and can be had for money alone. It’s always smart to improve the team without sacrificing prospects.

    Jenks, please.

    ———————

    I don’t think there’s anyone who is saying Jenks is a bad player – but you haven’t addressed the key issue: Why would he want to come here to set up Mariano when he can go to any of a half dozen teams and be their closer?

  82. Mike_Boston December 16th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    I would stay away from Nathan…he proved in 09 playoffs that he turtles under pressure, you don’t need him in a big spot late in Fenway.

  83. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    LGY December 16th, 2010 at 9:59 am
    Mariners get: Joba, Gardner, Romine

    Yankees get: Aardsma, Figgins

    Move Figgins to LF this year and then next year he can move to 3b with Alex going to DH and the Yankees can pursue Jose Bautista or Grady Sizemore for LF.

    ———————–

    And the award for worst trade proposal ever goes to….drumroll please……

    Chip in “WTF is Chone Figgins doing here!!!!!!!”

    ——————

    Now you’re not being fair – I’ve proposed far worse than that.

  84. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Oh gang, I should just learn to shut up. Didn’t meant to shanghai the conversation, honest.

    Okay, now I will go and later collect all the “seconds” for my first statement…

    :D

  85. Bret The Hitman December 16th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Carlos Zambrano:

    Supposedly Rothschild helped Zambrano incorporate a cutter into his arsenal. So his 2nd half surge in 2010 was a combo of anger management classes and a cutter. Zambrano gets lots of ground outs and strikeouts. His style of pitching plays well in a hitters park. Most importantly we get to keep Jesus Montero. It’s either Greinke or Zambrano + Montero. Take your pick.

  86. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Bret-

    It’s a good time to be a free agent reliever, and one of the biggest on the market (both literally and figuratively) is former White Sox closer Bobby Jenks. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets that there is “heavy action” on the right-hander, with both the Rays and Yankees showing interest. Jenks is not close to a decision, however.

  87. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Mike_Boston December 16th, 2010 at 10:00 am
    I would stay away from Nathan…he proved in 09 playoffs that he turtles under pressure, you don’t need him in a big spot late in Fenway.

    ———————–

    One playoff series is way too small a sample size for me to go on. In fact he’s only pitched 8 total playoff innings.

  88. LGY December 16th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    “Absolutely. He pitched pretty well at times until Torre blew out his arm by using him every day.”

    ———-

    Strutze only had 2 months in his Yankee career where he had a sub 4 ERA.

  89. Mike Ri December 16th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Mike _Boston –

    I would stay away from Nathan?he proved in 09 playoffs that he turtles under pressure, you don?t need him in a big spot late in Fenway.

    —-

    So true .. !! Nathan Melted !!!

  90. LGY December 16th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Chip,

    You have proposed a lot of bad trades but I honestly think this one takes the cake.

  91. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Chip-

    “Now you’re not being fair – I’ve proposed far worse than that.”

    What was your worst trade idea? :)

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Chip – i thought it was kaput, but I guess the fascination with Figgins for some yankees fans still dies hard.no way can that guy defend left.hasn’t been a good fielder in like forever.& joba for aardsma???um,no.

  93. BIG AL December 16th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    trisha -

    Like in all things, where there is live, there is hope, and yes, I share your feelings.

  94. Bret The Hitman December 16th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    re: Bobby Jenks:

    Offer Jenks an opportunity to close on occasion on days when Mo is unavailable and we need a 4 out save or even a 5 or 6 out save.

    Outbid the Rays by 1 million.

    Hopefully he wants to play for a winner.

    Force the Rays in a position where they have to do something like trade Garza for Marmol.

  95. Mike_Boston December 16th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Chip, 8 innings/4 series is a decent sampling considering how few innings most relief pitchers have under their belt.
    I just wouldn’t invest any significant $ with a guy that hasn’t risen to the occasion yet, he scares me and not in a good way. Or to put it the other way, watching him in 09 you could see the fear in his face, he was pitching scared.

    http://www.baseball-reference......jo01.shtml

  96. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    08:$11.25M, 09:$11.25M, 10:$11.25M, 11:$11.25M, 12:$12.5M club option ($2M buyout)
    Joe Nathan “might” be ready for spring training, after Tommy John surgery. Twins would have to eat most of that contract.

  97. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Yankee Trader December 16th, 2010 at 10:04 am
    Chip-

    “Now you’re not being fair – I’ve proposed far worse than that.”

    What was your worst trade idea?

    ——————————

    I think I had a three team deal on the table last off season where the Yankees got David DeJesus and Scott Thornton

  98. Gary December 16th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Geez, if Woods goes to Chicago the Yanks have” two young internal options in Robertson and Chamberlin”. Would someone please dial 911 and get the medics please.

    As the talk increases it just supports the conclusion that the options are limited to the Yanks. Might well endup with MO, Andy and Jeter and a couple minor adds. Good to end up getting our players back even if the comments to have Jeter test the market aren’t the stupidist thing I ever heard. Shaping up to possibly not be the winter we wanted, hope not.

  99. tyanksfan36 December 16th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    So I was thinking I had heard of Russell Martin before we signed him. It turns out he was ejected for arguing a called strike 3 in the 10th inning the game we played against the dodgers in june. The one that we tied up with some unlikely base hits from the rookies and Cano hit the homerun to win it. So he is a feisty one.

  100. Keith--FL December 16th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    The way the Yankees are currently constituted there will be no big moments in Fenway, we will be down by too many runs……

  101. Chip December 16th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Yankee Trader December 16th, 2010 at 10:09 am
    08:$11.25M, 09:$11.25M, 10:$11.25M, 11:$11.25M, 12:$12.5M club option ($2M buyout)
    Joe Nathan “might” be ready for spring training, after Tommy John surgery. Twins would have to eat most of that contract.

    ————————-

    Or take back a low level prospect in return.

    The thing about not getting Lee is that it frees up a lot of money to be spent in other places. The Yankees can afford now to take on a big salary or two…my picks would be Nathan and Quentin.

  102. Doreen December 16th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Trisha -

    I just had a chance to watch. I bookmarked it. It was awesome in the true sense of that word. I got chills and it brought tears to my eyes. And brought back memories of singing the HC in high school. One of my favorites. Thank you so much for the link. :)

    ****

    Re: “Cash better sign Soriano”

    What if Soriano does not want to be a set up guy for MO???? At any salary?

    ****

    I don’t disagree with Cashman preferring not signing relief pitchers to more than a year at a time. It almost always backfires.

  103. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    I think I had a three team deal on the table last off season where the Yankees got David DeJesus and Scott Thornton
    ——————————————————————-

    Chip- What did we give up for “Matt” Thornton, the best lefty set-up reliever in baseball?

  104. Mgumpher December 16th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Jenks might think about signing with the Yankees for the chance at a championship run. With Mariano getting older it might set him in place to close some games as well, especially in cases where there are a number of games in a row where a closer is needed.

    Aardsma? Not liking it much. Figgins? He was really poor last season, and I was glad he wasn’t gone after by the Yankees during his FA. What possible upgrade is he?

  105. Mell December 16th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Chip:

    Wouldn’t the White Sox be asking for a decent amount of return on Quentin?

  106. Bret The Hitman December 16th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Russell Martin:

    I can’t wait to watch him play. I just think this team will really benefit from his intensity. I also hold hope that he can rediscover himself here with Kevin Long and a new team with a positive clubhouse atmosphere and a manager that will give him some rest when he needs it. Martin was pushed too early in his career and maybe got burnt out.

  107. pat December 16th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    K. Long said last week Alex is working on getting leaner and more agile this off season so it sounds like he’s fighting to keep his glove and prove some people wrong to me.

  108. rodg12 December 16th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    # Chip December 16th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Yankee Trader December 16th, 2010 at 10:04 am
    Chip-

    “Now you’re not being fair – I’ve proposed far worse than that.”

    What was your worst trade idea?

    ——————————

    I think I had a three team deal on the table last off season where the Yankees got David DeJesus and Scott Thornton
    ——————————————-
    Scott Thornton? Who the heck is Scott Thornton?

    Must have been a real bad one, Chip. ;)

  109. Mike Ri December 16th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    NEW THREAD —>

  110. Erin December 16th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    New Post: Yankees officially sign Russell Martin

    :arrow:

  111. mick December 16th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Why does it feel like we can’t afford anybody?
    Does anyone feel that we are going after Soriano?
    I don’t.
    These minor moves are what you do when you are looking for missing pieces.
    We need bullpen help badly and money seems to be the deciding factor.
    I guess they are waiting on Andy…

  112. BIG AL December 16th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Keith–FL December 16th, 2010 at 10:12 am
    The way the Yankees are currently constituted there will be no big moments in Fenway, we will be down by too many runs……

    ************************************************
    Well your spring and summer just opened up, the Yankees are doomed, so no need to watch the games or follow the team.

    By the way, the world will end in 2012, so you might want to start making those vacation plans early.

  113. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    In light of what’s out there,I’d bag a lefty,look into Jenks,& then go the 2009 route and build the BP from within.ABrack is the most obvious candidate for later on,as a guy on the 40 man,just depends on how they see the course ahead for him.he doesn’t walk pple out of the pen.I’d also make Chamberlain a long man with the intent to have him eventually try to start again,but without the scrutiny & questions.even if they balk at this,JC does have enough weapons to go 3 or so for us.I realize the slider-FB combo,esp if he’s up to 98-99 like last yr,will be more attractive to them more regularly, & in late short relief,esp if the SO-focused rothschild can help him get more swings & misses.I just still have hopes for him as SP and hold a new optimism because of new leadership.

  114. BIG AL December 16th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    MTU -

    I think I got it figured out.

    Waiting on Lee ……….
    Waiting on Andy ……..
    And your favorite …… Wait for it, Waiting on divine intervention

  115. BIG AL December 16th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    That’s like praying for all the players on your Christmas Wish List.

  116. West Coast Yankee Fan December 16th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    I am concerned about the Yankees depth due to age and injury, especially with Mo and Pettitte if he returns. They should put on the full court press to convince Soriano to come here and spend the money. This not only gets us an 8th inning guy but great insurance should Mo go down. If Soriano and Jenks go elsewhere – I don’t know what plan c would be.

    Unless Cashman pulls a rabbit out of his hat or overpays with talent, the rotation will have it’s issues this year, at least until the trade period mid-season. We will need to hit and shut the other team down from the sixth inning on on a fairly regular basis.

  117. Angelo Silecchio December 16th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    # Chip December 16th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Angelo Silecchio December 16th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    If the Yanks arent going to be able to bring back Wood I’d love to see them make a run at Jenks. They could prob get Jenks on a 1 year deal since he’ll want to close again, eventually. I think that’s the perfect situation for the team.

    ——————-

    If Jenks wants to close then why wouldn’t he go to a team looking for a closer? There are plenty of teams in need: Angels, Rays, Cards, Brewers, Braves, Nationals, Twins, possibly the Braves if they move Feliz into the rotation.
    ———————–

    Because Jenks wanting to close and other teams wanting him to close are two different things. He had a shaky year last year.

    Why do people want to get rid of Gardener so quickly? Geez it’s like having a guy on the team who doesn’t make $10M + is a cancer

  118. Lost December 16th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    “Gary December 16th, 2010 at 7:52 am

    MTU, my personal opinion I can’t believe Plan B wasn’t to get Crawford. Cashman I think misread that one and now it’s gone as an option.”

    It’s not that he misread it, our focus was on Lee.. and Carl jumped when he saw the offer from Boston. He would’ve jumped on the Yankees offer had we made one.

    Did you ask yourself why Boston made such an offer for Crawford? Boston got concerned when we had dinner with him and didn’t want to lose out like they did with Tex.

    Plan A: Lee (X)
    Plan B: Crawford (X)
    Plan C: La casa de la trucos

    In general, plan A was to sign Lee and plan B was to still add a SP but focus on improving the offense.. nobody expected Crawford to sign as fast as he did or get that offer.

    There’s not much out there right now that is available to use, and even less with including JM in a package.. which is not likely to happen at this point.

  119. J. Alfred Prufrock December 16th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Angelo – I think it’s more that he has some trade value and it is high now,though wrist surgery might be a red flag for teams.but he’s still fairly young at 27 and is cheap and can fill a need for some teams.

  120. Against All Odds December 16th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    cspaced25 December 16th, 2010 at 9:07 am

    And I think Joba should go back to a starter. There’s just too much potential talent being waisted in the 7th inning. Robertson and either a Jenks or Fuentas makes a good 7-8 bridge to Mo.

    ——————————————–

    That’s what ppl don’t understand which is the Yankees can find relievers to do what Joba does. He should get another chance in the rotation but I doubt they give it to him.

  121. West Coast Yankee Fan December 16th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Feliciano. Sigh. Well, ok.

  122. 4 NYY December 16th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Joba will NEVER be a success starting for Yanks !!! ( Head ) Case closed .

  123. 4 NYY December 16th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Fuentes is not bad a s a situational lefty, just not a good closer.

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