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State of the Yankees bullpen

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 17, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

With Pedro Feliciano on his way across town from the Mets, and Mariano Rivera officially re-signed as the closer, the Yankees bullpen has most of its pieces in place. It could still use an arm or two to solidify the late innings, and maybe another option for long relief, but most of the work has been done.

Yankees Feliciano BaseballLocked in place
Mariano Rivera, Joba Chamberlain, Dave Robertson, Pedro Feliciano, Boone Logan, Sergio Mitre
Even though he’s currently their best option as a No. 5 starter, I’ll include Mitre on this list because it’s hard to imagine the Yankees not adding some sort of starter between now and spring training. He’s also their best option for long relief, with most of the alternatives — Alfredo Aceves, Dustin Moseley, Chad Gaudin — no longer on the roster.

Big leagues or bust
Robert Fish, Daniel Turpen, Romulo Sanchez
These three are on the 40-man roster, and they can’t be sent to the minor leagues. Fish and Turpen are the two Rule 5 picks, and they have to be passed through waivers and offered back to their former team before the Yankees can send them down. Fish, the lefty, seems to have a better shot than Turpen, but even he’s considerable long shot. Sanchez is out of options — confirmed by the Yankees — and could be a legitimate dark horse as a hard throwing reliever capable of pitching multiple innings.

On a minor league deal
Mark Prior, Neal Cotts, Brian Anderson, Andy Sisco, Buddy Carlyle
All of these are long shots, obviously, but I get the sense that Cotts intrigues the Yankees a guy who could come up to play a role if Logan or Feliciano is hurt during the year. I’m guessing we’ll see a few more minor league signings in the next two months, especially a Dustin Moseley/Jason Hirsh type who could start in Triple-A and pitch long relief in New York.

Prospects looking to open eyes
Andrew Brackman, Dellin Betances, Hector Noesi, Ryan Pope, Steve Garrison
I only listed the other minor league guys who are on the 40-man roster, but I’m sure others — David Phelps, D.J. Mitchell, Manny Banuelos, Adam Warren, etc. — will also be invited to camp. That said, I don’t think the Yankees are eager to move any of their young starters into the bullpen to start the season, and relievers like Pope and Garrison still need Triple-A experience. Probably not legitimate options out of spring training.

Associated Press photo of Feliciano

 
 

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136 Responses to “State of the Yankees bullpen”

  1. Bret The Hitman December 17th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    re: LOHUD GM Contest

    20 entrees

    6 predict Montero in a package for Greinke

    14 predict Greinke could be obtained without surrendering Montero.

  2. Carl December 17th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Watching a Joba start vs the O’s. 2008.

    98 mph fastball. 91 mph sinker. 87 mph slider. 78 mph curve.

    Gave up 2 runs because of Cano and his bad defense at the time.

  3. Jerkface December 17th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Joba, Gardner, Nunez and??? for Soria?

    Awful trade. Can’t give up a starting LFer for a reliever.

  4. Carlo December 17th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    Jeremy – I responded to ur mentally tough statement in the prior post.

  5. Nick in SF December 17th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Get your heads out of your asses, people!

    Greinke didn’t bring on Casey Close to get him a Phitens endorsement.

    He’s ready for the big stage — now!

    /oddly indignant’d

  6. LGY December 17th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    A new side of Nick rearing its ugly head tonight?

    Angry Nick?

    Scary :(

  7. Jeremy December 17th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Oh yeah Carlo I saw it thanks !

    And you made some good points. Yeah maybe Greinke might do good in NY. I do know one thing I can’t blame him for wanting to leave KC.

  8. Nick in SF December 17th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    It’s the non-angry side which would be new.

    Don’t cross me! :mad:

  9. Erica in NY December 17th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Nick in SF December 17th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
    It’s the non-angry side which would be new.

    Don’t cross me!

    **************

    Is that a challenge :-)

  10. Patrick December 17th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    I’m not totally comfortable with that bullpen unless Joba really steps up or maybe a guy like Sanchez or Prior comes out of nowhere and can be a legit set-up guy.

    However, bullpen is not the main problem right now. Cash needs to focus on getting 2 more starters.

  11. NYY fan in NH December 17th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    That PC Richards banner that keeps dropping down is the most annoying pop-up ad. It takes forever.. Other than that, The Knicks are an exciting team to watch and seeing Amare going against LeBron tonight is crazy!!!

  12. Nick in SF December 17th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    It’s not a challenge, just a warning.

    The last person to cross me on here… is still on the loose… may be among us still… could be zeroing in on me for the kill…

    Hmmmmm…

    Never mind.

    :oops:

  13. NYY fan in NH December 17th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    Greinke changing his agent to Close who is very familiar with NY has got to mean something going forward.. We shall see!!

  14. Yogi Mantle December 17th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Its hard to read much into Greinke signing with a new agent, regardless of who it is. It might be the possibility of a trade that precipitated the move, but Greinke has a partial no trade clause, meaning there are teams that he could be traded to without his consent. The Rangers, Angels and I think the Dodgers wouldn’t be restricted.

    Of course they would still have to put up the pieces to make the trade, but that is a big team advantage. If those teams (I’m sure there are others, but unlikely to make the trade) don’t get into the mix, then Close will be able to get to work on getting a payday for Greinke to waive it, but I just am not convinced that the Yankees will go after him.

  15. Lost December 17th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Sometimes it takes talent to land talent:

    Hanley Ramirez -> Josh Beckett. Boston gave up a great player and a lot of money.

    Montero:

    The problem we have is that some (a lot) don’t see him as an everyday C. His defense is really in question and since we are set in the IF what do we do with him if he can’t cut it as a catcher? No choice but to trade him.

    Greinke:

    Greinke’s was miserable last season in KC, he made that known. When a player publicly states that he is unhappy, it means he is “REALLY” unhappy.. aside from some shoulder soreness last season, I think Greinke’s numbers reflect his unhappiness with the club.

    For those that don’t think he is a #1 ACE, sheesh, touch crowd. Sure he has had one phenomenal season, and a couple very good -> great seasons but he is still developing and his stuff is just nasty.

    I’m all for Montero in the pkg for Greinke but I’d have some back and forth if it wasn’t for the issues stated above. Since that’s the case, it’s really a no-brainer.

  16. Doreen December 17th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Trying to catch up quick and Bojo’s post in the last thread caught my eye.

    All things are never equal, but I found your post interesting regarding looking at game logs and putting them into, basically, Yankees situations rather than Royals situations. Interesting.

    Nick in SF –

    You’re in superb form. Keep it up.

  17. Sweet Swinging Cano December 17th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    I am kinda annoyed by all the armchair doctors who claim Greinke can’t hack it in NY. Nobody really knows that. If the Yankees have the opportunity to trade for him, they should.

  18. Ruby Tuesday December 17th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    L . o . l .

  19. pat December 17th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    SI_JonHeyman wood’s $1.5 mil cubs guarantee isnt close to #yanks, #redsox bids. nyy would have bid $10 mil for 2 if he was interested

    Cashman must have been out the day they taught how to force people to take your money class at GM school. :sad:

  20. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    The only people that can’t see Montero as a MLB catcher are the scouts/baseball people from other teams trying to devalue him to try getting him cheaper and idiot media/fans that have never seen him play but will believe whatever they’re told and continue repeating it.

  21. Erica in NY December 17th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Nick in SF-

    That’s what I thought!!!

  22. Jerkface December 17th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Hanley Ramirez -> Josh Beckett. Boston gave up a great player and a lot of money.

    Huge difference. Hanley was traded following a struggle in AA where he hit .271 .335 .385 .720. He had tools, but had yet to put it together. Of course the rest is history, and it owes to exceptional scouting by the Marlins. However, at the TIME Hanley Ramirez was a top prospect that was based more on potential than what he was actually doing on the field, with some personality problems as well.

    Montero has been rated consistently as one of the top bats in the minor league. He is rated at 80 power and 80 bat and he has PROVEN those ratings with the way he has hit.

    At Age 20 Hanley was getting his feet wet in AA. Montero was in AAA.

    Not the same, Lost.

    It’d be like trading Melky Mesa for Greinke.

  23. Sweet Swinging Cano December 17th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Montero could be a catcher. There really is no way to say he can’t be right now. It’s not like he has been horrible in the minor leagues.

  24. GMAN December 17th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Greinke wants out of KC.

    He sees what Lee signed for and the number of teams that were willing to pay it.

    Now it’s his turn!

    That’s why he hired a new agent.

    Greinke’s maximum trade value for Royals is this season.

    Somebody will trade for him if he is amenable to a contract extension similar to what Lee is getting from the Phils.

    He must be dreaming of getting big time money to pitch for the Rangers.

  25. Erica in NY December 17th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Side note-

    The entire northeast region should be thanking me.

    I was supposed to go to Atlantic City tomorrow for my big birthday trip. Then the weatheridiots started saying a giant Nor’easter was coming this way and there was a 70% chance of snow here and 90% chance of snow in AC… so I cancelled the trip and made alternate plans.

    As soon as I said the word “cancel” the monster storm turned east and now its not going to snow.

    You are welcome.

  26. pat December 17th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    As was said earlier….Greinke didn’t switch agents for nothing. He’s asked out of KC.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ent-121710

  27. Jerkface December 17th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    In addition, the Red Sox got Beckett for an extra year of control and a year younger. And with more consistent production in the previous seasons. Beckett gave up less hits and struck out more batters on average.

    Of course he had injury issues, which the Red Sox are feeling the effects of.

  28. Jerkface December 17th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    And Beckett was cheaper. Like 50% cheaper.

  29. West Coast Yankee Fan December 17th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    Damn! Posnanskis article on Greinke was just freakin’ superb!

  30. Mike Ri December 17th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Greinke wants out .. Nice link pat

    When theres smoke. . theres fire !

  31. Joe from Long Island December 17th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Hey, Erica – #1 – Thanks for the weather help. #2 – what number is it? and #3 – whatever it is, have a happy one.

  32. Nick in SF December 17th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Thank you, Doreen.

    This is what happens when I’m stuck in Santa Rosa all day and can’t even go to the Charles M Schultz Museum.

  33. Erica in NY December 17th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Joe from Long Island December 17th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
    Hey, Erica – #1 – Thanks for the weather help. #2 – what number is it? and #3 – whatever it is, have a happy one.

    ****************

    Thanks Joe. Sunday is the big day… its the big 3-0.. YIPES :-)

  34. Steve Howe a True Yankee December 17th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    I notice “SJ” is back with more “inside info” for the drooling masses. Boy, he sure was right about Cliff Lee. All that inside info just leaves me all in suspense.

    SJ – some of us are on to you. Now call up to your mother to bring more meatloaf down to you.

    MOMMMM ! THE MEATLOAF !!

    LOL

  35. Doreen December 17th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Erica -

    Thank you sooo much!!

    And,

    Happy Birthday!!!

    :)

  36. Doreen December 17th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Erica -

    3-0?????

    You don’t look it!

  37. joeman December 17th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    pat December 17th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    As was said earlier….Greinke didn’t switch agents for nothing. He’s asked out of KC.
    ————————————–
    also heard Phil was the mystery team that wants him

  38. Yogi Mantle December 17th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Erica, you are still a kid. ;)

    Hey, how about moving up to Central NY and planning trips. We’ve had almost 70 inches of snow so far this month, and this is before the real snow usually hits us.

  39. Yogi Mantle December 17th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    BTW Happy B’Day Erica.

  40. Tom in N.J. December 17th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    I turned 30 last year.

    I’m as immature as ever.

  41. SAS December 17th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Happy Birthday Erica. We just made it out of the East in time.

    We are in Columbus, Ohio. It has been freezing cold all day. Brrrr

  42. Tom in N.J. December 17th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    And happy birthday Erica.

    :razz:

  43. joeman December 17th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    They are going to kick the tires on Greinke….even though he says he didn’t want to come here

  44. SAS December 17th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    Erica,

    I am afraid to say: You are a grown up now, but don’t lose that fabulous sense of humor.

  45. Mike Ri December 17th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    Happy Birthday Erica

  46. 108 stitches December 17th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    The 8th inning man to the closer still isn’t locked down. Expecting Chamberlain to take the reigns is like wishing for a snow free winter.

  47. RMS December 17th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    “Sunday is the big day… its the big 3-0.. YIPES :-)

    Happy birthday, Erica. The big 3-0, you are still a baby!

  48. Betsy December 17th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Patrick, I don’t love the pen, either………

  49. Erica in NY December 17th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Thanks everyone- but its not until Sunday.

    I am going to want all of you to wish me a happy birthday then.

    I LOVE birthday greetings!!! LOL

  50. Betsy December 17th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    So I hope Greinke ends up in TX or Minnesota………..

  51. Doreen December 17th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Hi SAS -

    Hope you beat the weather and arrive in AZ without incident!

    Erica -

    I disagree with SAS – you don’t have to be a grown up yet – at least not 24/7. :)

  52. Erica in NY December 17th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Doreen December 17th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
    Erica -

    3-0?????

    You don’t look it!

    ************

    Thats the best thing anyone has said to me yet today!!!

    Thank you. I think the fact that I act much more like 3 than 30 has a lot to do with it

  53. Erica in NY December 17th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Doreen December 17th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
    Erica -

    3-0?????

    You don’t look it!

    ************

    Thats the best thing anyone has said to me yet today!!!

    Thank you. I think the fact that I act much more like 3 than 30 has a lot to do with it

  54. Sweet Swinging Cano December 17th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    The pen will round into shape. Good addition today. I never really worried about the bullpen under Girardi.

  55. sunny615 December 17th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    Greinke switches agents to Casey Close and demands a trade… Should the Yankees take a look?

  56. sunny615 December 17th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    Apparently, Greinke wants to go to a perennial contender. Methinks Cash needs to pick up the phone.

  57. kd December 17th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-city.html

    looks like greinke wants out of kc.

    sorry if posted before, but there’s something to look at if he can be had without montero

    i also don’t agree that montero should be traded, he’s got potential to be terrific. if he can’t be a catcher all the time, he can dh and play 1b until tex’s contract is up

  58. Erica in NY December 17th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    SAS December 17th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
    Erica,

    I am afraid to say: You are a grown up now, but don’t lose that fabulous sense of humor.

    ************

    I am never going to be a grown up.

    But I do find myself thinking like one occasionally. Here’s an example:

    During my October Atlantic City trip, there was a group of kids on my floor that were all friends and had a bunch of rooms on my floor. I call them kids, but they were all either still in college or just out. Anyway, they were so loud I kept wishing someone would call Security on them so I could sleep. Ironically, I was banned from a hotel in the Catskills 10 years ago for a similar crime.

    I couldn’t believe how much I changed

  59. sunny615 December 17th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    You’re still a baby… I hit the big 4-0 already this year.

  60. Erica in NY December 17th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Yogi Mantle December 17th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
    Erica, you are still a kid.

    Hey, how about moving up to Central NY and planning trips. We’ve had almost 70 inches of snow so far this month, and this is before the real snow usually hits us.

    ************

    I did 4 years in Albany for college. I do not miss those winters

  61. Stoneburner December 17th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Man – I hope we are pursuing a Greinke deal – has really nice stuff – perfect no. 2 starter for this team going forward.

    Let’s take a look at the rumored reports about what KC is looking for via ESPN a week ago – up the middle talent – meaning catching, ss, 2b, CF – I am not buying they do not want pitching prospects – everyone always needs pitching – and while Mike Montgomery and the gang in KC are nice – you can never have enough.

    As for SS – the obvious in house trade candidate is Eduardo Nunez –

    As for 2b – the two in house trade candidates are David Adams and Corban Joseph

    CF – this really comes down to Bret Gardner and Slade Heathcott

    C – the usual suspects we all know by now – from Montero all the way down to Gary Sanchez

    P – again – the highest ceiling is Betances – all the way down to Jose Ramirez in Charleston and Bryan Mitchell in rookie ball

    Here is what I would offer:

    Nunez (ss), Joseph (2b – might be better than Adams), Gardner (cf – and we know Moore has asked for him before), Betances (SP), and Sanchez (C)

    This is close to the Teixiera/Braves/Rangers deal

    First, Betances – given the way the Yankees handle pitchers and his injury history – it is going to be a loooooooong time before this kid ever gets up to 180 innings in a season w/ no restrictions – and he is already as old as Hughes – Betances may turn out to be a shut down reliever – but whether he can make it as a starter – especially how the Yankees break in their pitchers w/ limits – ahhh sell high on this one after his first healthy season in a long time

    Sanchez – assuming he is actually 17 going on 18 – a big assumption for me regarding his listed age – same with Montero – he could be a promising rookie prospect on the mlb roster in – at the very least – FOUR years – this is the gamble in the trade – and he is worth trading if it brings back a top flight starter who has already won a CY Young award (let me say it again – CY Young award). Another thing – newly signed OF prospect Wilmer Ramos – could potentially take the sting out of Sanchez leaving – could –

    Nunez – he is what he is – a serviceable SS option for a last place team – could grow into a decent hitter with solid D – utility player on the Yanks

    Joseph – lefty hitting 2b – nice hitting ability – could appeal to KC – by trading Joseph – Yankees probably make their bed with David Adams as the backup to Cano

    Gardner – this is really the tough one for me – Moore LOVES speedy outfielders – remember he traded JP Howell for Joey Gathright – a Gardner clone w/out the hitting – who plays LF for the Yanks – that I am not sure – but it is easier to find a LF than it is a Zach Greinke.

  62. Sweet Swinging Cano December 17th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Yes the yankees should take a look at Greinke!

  63. pat December 17th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Erica

    This!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  64. sunny615 December 17th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    At this point, I’m ready to call Montero a DH – his first base skills are probably on par with Miguel Cabrera’s. He’s got a great bat, but which is worth more – a great bat or a great arm?

  65. 108 stitches December 17th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    With Casey Close now Greinke’s agent, he could easily have his no-trade clause eliminated from his contract if he wished. Many players have done it with the most recent being Carlos Zambrano who had a full no trade clause eliminated several weeks ago.

  66. Lost December 17th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    It’s called an “example”. Nobody is comparing apples to oranges.. I simply said, “it takes talent to get talent”. BTW, H. Ramirez had “all the hype” a prospect can have.

    Maybe you also remember, that the Marlins were asking for both Hanley and Lester?

  67. joeman December 17th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Betsy December 17th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    So I hope Greinke ends up in TX or Minnesota……
    ——————————————–
    I hope he ends up here

  68. sunny615 December 17th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    Then what price should the Yankees pay to get Greinke…

    I’m wagering KC is going to ask for a combination of Montero/Gary Sanchez/Hughes/Betances/Nunez/Nova/Romine/and maybe Laird.

  69. Mike Ri December 17th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    pitching wins Championships

  70. Jerkface December 17th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    BTW, H. Ramirez had “all the hype” a prospect can have.

    All the hype with none of the substance. He was only ever in the top 10 of prospects once(right at #10).

  71. Jerkface December 17th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    pitching wins Championships

    Timely HRs win championships.

  72. Joe from Long Island December 17th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Erica – Didn’t you know, 30 is the new 20 ;)

    Have a very happy Birthday.

  73. Erica in NY December 17th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    pat-

    Very cute.

    That video gave me a link for this one

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

    Is it weird if on Sunday, I close my eyes and pretend Ernie is singing to me??

  74. Wave Your Hat December 17th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    The Yanks don’t have what it is going to take to land Greinke. Thinking he’s coming here is fantasyland, just like dreaming Montero was going to be our catcher or believing Lee was going to come here because of the Yankee dollar, lol.

    I can’t believe the Yanks paid 2/9 for a LOOGY, even a good one. The Lee money is burning a hole in the Yanks’ pocket.

    I’m in a bad mood.

  75. Yogi Mantle December 17th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Erica, Albany is for beginners. lol.

  76. LGY December 17th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    “I’m in a bad mood.”

    ——

    Turn the Knicks game on.

  77. joeman December 17th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Trade for Greinke with Gardner part of the package….sign Scott Podsednik to fill the LF position

  78. Yogi Mantle December 17th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Wave, for the most part all the players seem to be getting big $$$$$$$$$ and multi-year deals this off season. When that is what others are offering and the need is there, its tough to try to lowball it and expect to get it done… unless you are the Phillies or Cubs. :roll:

  79. Erica in NY December 17th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    Yogi Mantle December 17th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
    Erica, Albany is for beginners. lol.

    ****************

    It drove me crazy there would be a dinky snow in November and then it would remain there until April. Then the 4 feet of snow would all melt, and you’d track mud everywhere for a month

  80. Wave Your Hat December 17th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    “Turn the Knicks game on.”

    Cool.

  81. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    KC has a better prospect than Laird moving up fast at 3rd base in Moustakas. They also have Myers as their hotshot catching prospect. They’re missing middle infielders, pitching and center fielder. They also have a big bat 1st baseman in Hosmer. Their goal is getting everyone up at about the same time. The Yankees could help reduce the talent loss by taking Meche’s contract in the deal. It ends after 2011.

  82. Yogi Mantle December 17th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    The Knicks have been looking pretty impressive, even the game with the Celtics though the outcome wasn’t what I hoped for, has NYK fans getting excited.

  83. Sweet Swinging Cano December 17th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    That isnt a bad deal for Feliciano though. He wont be abused by Girardi like he was in Queens.

  84. Jerkface December 17th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    They’re missing middle infielders, pitching and center fielder. They also have a big bat 1st baseman in Hosmer. Their goal is getting everyone up at about the same time. The Yankees could help reduce the talent loss by taking Meche’s contract in the deal. It ends after 2011.

    If they get Greinke and Meche, that spells Sayonara for Pettitte, and Meche wasn’t exactly very good the last 2 years. Injured and bad from being overworked by Hillman.

    Maybe they would take Meche and just eat it?

  85. SAS December 17th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Erica,

    As I sad last week to you or someone else who had a birthday, being a Sagg is a good thing. As one I ought to know.

    By the way, I loved my 30′s. I have a hard time believing that I am not still in my 30′s, unless you count the aches and pains of old age…lol

    Hope you have an awesome weekend celebrating

  86. Doreen December 17th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Yogi Mantle,

    they had a great photo of that final shot in the Celtics game in the Star Ledger.

    What a heartbreak!

  87. Yogi Mantle December 17th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Erica, that’s about what you’d expect around here, though the 4 ft is a little low. We crack up when people complain about inches of snow, those are flurries.

    I suspect that when this area was settled it was in the summer, absolutely gorgeous at that time of year, and were too frozen after their first winter to move again.

  88. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    The Yanks can eat about 3/4ths of that contract and put Meche in as the long man/swing man in the pen.

  89. Sweet Swinging Cano December 17th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    Take Meche if it means Getting Greinke.

  90. Jerkface December 17th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    If they could acquire Greinke + 3/4th Meche’s contract for less than Montero or Banuelos, I think the Yankees would have to do that deal.

  91. Yogi Mantle December 17th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    Doreen, that was a heartbreaker. Of course Pierce had to get the winning shot too.

    I was pretty happy to see them stick with the Celtics though, if nothing else it shows great promise for a team that hasn’t had a good season in so long. If they get Carmelo…. :D

    Course I enjoyed watching Melo at the Dome.

  92. LGY December 17th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    The Knicks got jobbed by the refs at the end of the Celts game.

    Pierce’s winning shot went down with 0.7 left but they put 0.4.

    With that extra 3 tenths of a second Amare’s 3 may have been good :(

  93. NYY fan in NH December 17th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Greinke is a super, young talent who would bridge the gap to some of the young guns whoever is left over from the trade. I love Montero’s bat. He’s had comparisons to Piazza so that’s a pretty big bat to lose.

  94. LGY December 17th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Amare for the Knicks is what CC is to the Yankees. Just completely changed the dynamic of the team.

    I told all you suckers when they signed him he is better than Bosh :mad:

  95. Stoneburner December 17th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Really nice ideas tonight – like the Meche take back idea – IF KC is wanting to shed payroll

    Scotty P in LF if Gardner goes in a trade is nice as well – sneaking suspicion that Yanks might check in on Sizemore midseason if he actually bounced back from microfracture surgery – which is a big IF

  96. NYY fan in NH December 17th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    I hate the Miami Heat to no end!

  97. Triple Short of a Cycle December 17th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    No way they get Grienke.

    They would want Montero and all 3 killer B’s

  98. Doreen December 17th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Yogi Mantle -

    I follow basketball very very casually. But it is nice seeing/hearing about the Knicks this season. :)

  99. Yogi Mantle December 17th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    Amare has elevated the game for the whole team, hopefully they can cool off the Heat.

  100. Joe from Long Island December 17th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    GB – interesting thought about Meche. Swing/long man? Maybe. I’d definitely take him if it meant getting Greinke (assuming the anlayis indicates he’d be ok in NY). If it means dealing Gardner? I’m not a fan of Podsednik, so Cash would have to have a plan for LF. Trading Meche for a LF? I don’t even know what there’s out there, save for Beltran. And I’m not sure about Beltran, due to his physical issues.

    This is why Cash must have one heckuva cell phone plan…..

  101. Yogi Mantle December 17th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    Doreen, I really don’t follow Basketball much either, except here and there and the playoffs depending on the teams playing. I don’t have a particular team I root for, though there are some I root against. lol.

    The Knickerbockers making a come back to the game would be good for the game though. Tired of the Lakers and Celtics, and would love to see the Heat go nowhere since LeBron did his show.

  102. SAS December 17th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    GB,

    Good evening sir. What do you think of Greinke for the Yankees? I am not a big fan of his as a Yankee, but I may be wrong. I’m interested in your thoughts

  103. Doreen December 17th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    Joe from LI -

    LOL!!!!!

  104. Doreen December 17th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Yogi Mantle -

    I think a lot of people share that sentiment.

  105. Tom in N.J. December 17th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    “If they get Greinke and Meche, that spells Sayonara for Pettitte, and Meche wasn’t exactly very good the last 2 years. Injured and bad from being overworked by Hillman.

    Maybe they would take Meche and just eat it?”

    I’ve read that Meche wants to pitch out of the bullpen because his shoulder/labrum are shot.

  106. Tom in N.J. December 17th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Could Montero play RF?

  107. Sweet Swinging Cano December 17th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Montero in the outfield?? No thanks lol

  108. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    SAS December 17th, 2010 at 8:40 pm
    GB,

    Good evening sir. What do you think of Greinke for the Yankees? I am not a big fan of his as a Yankee, but I may be wrong. I’m interested in your thoughts

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    SAS, I’m in between on Greinke. If it means any of Montero, Sanchez, Banuelos and Betances, no. To big of a gamble for a pitcher that you only get for 2 years. After that, he walks and you lose the best minor league bat and at least two top of the rotation type pitchers. it also makes zero sense to add Hughes because you don’t gain anything….a pitcher to fill a spot. Any other players in the minor league system, along with Chamberlain, Gardner or Robertson. I’d only include one player off of the MLB roster.

  109. Sweet Swinging Cano December 17th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Losing Montero would really be a tough pill to swallow. The Yankees have aging position players. They need him for the future. But it depends on the deal.

  110. Joe from Long Island December 17th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    I wasn’t aware of Meche’s shoulder problems. I think only the Yanks could afford to have that salary in the bullpen. I think if the Yanks take on that contract, they should not have to include Gardner; from the Yanks’ perspective, it would complicate things as they would then have to get a LF. I wouldn’t kill the deal solely because of that, though.

    Of course, this is assuming that the Yanks’ analysis indicates that Greinke could do well in NY.

    Doreen – were you referring to my little comment on age in the 21st century? I say this, based on observations of my 23-year old stepson, bless him.

  111. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Joe from Long Island December 17th, 2010 at 8:39 pm
    GB – interesting thought about Meche. Swing/long man? Maybe. I’d definitely take him if it meant getting Greinke (assuming the anlayis indicates he’d be ok in NY). If it means dealing Gardner? I’m not a fan of Podsednik, so Cash would have to have a plan for LF. Trading Meche for a LF? I don’t even know what there’s out there, save for Beltran. And I’m not sure about Beltran, due to his physical issues.

    This is why Cash must have one heckuva cell phone plan…..

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Evening, Joe. Hope all is well in “The Refrigerator”.

    Like I mentioned, if the Royals will take a lessor package for taking Meche off of their hands for that final years, it makes a deal easier to swallow for a “prospect hugger”. There’s a lot of gambling for each team, though. Can Greinke deal with NY? I have no idea how he really deals with pressure. There were some comments from his brother a couple of weeks ago that leads you to believe that Luke and Zack Greinke might think it would be uncomfortable for him. I’ll try finding Luke Greinke’s comments.

  112. Joe from Long Island December 17th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Hi, GB – it warmed up to a whole 30-something degrees today. If this keeps up, I’ll have to find a new place to keep my steaks…..

    How Greinke would deal with NY is the key. From what I’ve read, it’s not the 50,000 in the stands, it might be more the crush of reporters and day-to-day living. Only Greinke can answer that one. Cash has to exhaust all sources to answer that question.

  113. SAS December 17th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Thanks Gb

    —————————————–

    Doreen,

    I never said hello I am rude tonight. What are your thoughts about Greinke?

  114. Sweet Swinging Cano December 17th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    I don’t know what to think about Greinke’s anxiety issues. Brian Cashman and his staff have to really don their homework. Talent is not the question here.

  115. Doreen December 17th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Joe from LI -

    That was funny, but the LOL was in reference to your comment about Cashman’s cell phone plan. Especially since we had a recent issue with ours! :)

  116. Doreen December 17th, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Joe from LI -

    If 30 is the new 20, that explains why 20-year-olds act like 10-year olds????? ;)

  117. BoJo December 17th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Greinke was obviously reading Lohud baseball blog today, and became aware of the Yankee fan interest in him….Naturally, he then demanded a trade.

  118. BoJo December 17th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Greinke was obviously reading Lohud baseball blog today, and became aware of the Yankee fan interest in him….Naturally, he then demanded a trade.

  119. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    Joe, with the media crush and the garbage stories the NY papers are noted for, it could be tough. You know that “The Jock And The Pin-up” stories will run wild with him. The team and team mates might be able to shield him from the face-to-face dealings, but, that wouldn’t shield him from the vindictive nature of the press for feeling “slighted” in the need to know stories.

  120. Sweet Swinging Cano December 17th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    I think the Yankee clubhouse would embrace him. Alot of good guys in there ready to support him.

  121. BoJo December 17th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Anyone who thinks that Greinke would spit the bit under pressure never watched him pitch down the stretch in 2009. Check out his game logs, and you will see a pitcher who shut down the best teams in baseball during the September stretch. This guy loves the stage.

    http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2009

    He’d immediately be our #1B ace, and allow AJ time to get back into groove as #5 starter

    We’d match up well with any starting staff in baseball

    CC, ZG, AP, Hughes, AJ

    Better than Boston, as good as Philly and SF

  122. BoJo December 17th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    GB–

    You bring up another great reason why we need Greinke here…his fiance/wife

    http://www.fantasybaseballdugo.....zack-wife/

  123. SAS December 17th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Bojo,

    You love Greinke for the Yanks then?

  124. BoJo December 17th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Also

    http://www.emilykuchar.com/index2.php?v=v1

  125. West Coast Yankee Fan December 17th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    I changed my mind on Greinke, we need him. He’s a great pitcher. Cashman has a chance to redeem himself and make Lee a distant memory.

  126. Sweet Swinging Cano December 17th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Well I am now sold lol

  127. BoJo December 17th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    SAS–

    Could be..could be…

  128. Joe from Long Island December 17th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Well, we had a tough week, so it’s an early night. Good night, all, and thanks for the conversation.

    Now, if only the Knicks could’ve hit some baskets down the stretch…..

  129. Benny Blanco December 17th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Finally!!!! Everyone but betsy drinking the zack greinke kook aid. I say go for it!! Get it done cashman!!!!

  130. bobshantz December 17th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    “Joba, Gardner, Nunez and??? for Soria?

    Awful trade. Can’t give up a starting LFer for a reliever.”

    I would actually do this. Soria is a legitimate Mo successor.

  131. West Coast Yankee Fan December 17th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    From Joe Posnanski’s article:

    “America’s Most Wanted Pitcher just turned 27 years old, and he has a mid-90s fastball, a devastating slider, an often tantalizing slow curve and a sometimes baffling change-up. He has won a Cy Young Award. Ever since being moved back into the starting rotation toward the end of the 2007 season he has thrown almost 700 innings and he has a 3.17 ERA, and a 637-to-162 strikeout to walk”.

  132. Sweet Swinging Cano December 17th, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    But will it get done???

  133. SAS December 17th, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    :arrow:

    Yankees give back, plus some notes and links

  134. Against All Odds December 17th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Carl December 17th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Watching a Joba start vs the O’s. 2008.

    98 mph fastball. 91 mph sinker. 87 mph slider. 78 mph curve.

    Gave up 2 runs because of Cano and his bad defense at the time.
    —————————————————-
    Seems like a distant memory lol

    98 mph fastball contrary to popular belief Joba did throw hard as a starter

  135. Against All Odds December 17th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    # Sweet Swinging Cano December 17th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    I think the Yankee clubhouse would embrace him. Alot of good guys in there ready to support him.

    ——————————–

    True he would get alot of support in the club house but bringing him here is still a risk. The kid had problems in KC. What type of things would he go through here.

  136. Patrick December 17th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Erica you are almost 30!?! Happy Birthday!

    By the way I just read this in a Keith Law Chat:

    What does Banuelos need to work on to solidify himself as a top of the rotation pitcher?

    Klaw (12:37 PM)

    I don’t see much left for him to do. Tighten the breaking ball? He’s got command. He’s got present velocity. He’s not projectable. The change is plus. He’s pretty damn good right now.

    Perhaps he’s a fast mover and we see him in 2010! Nice


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