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What Martin might mean for Montero (and Romine)

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 17, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

For now, all the Russell Martin signing means for the immediate future of Jesus Montero — and Austin Romine for that matter — is that the Yankees have options. Martin gives the Yankees flexibility, plain and simple.

“Breaking in Robinson Cano at second base, or Brett Gardner in left field, or Joba Chamberlain in the bullpen, or Phil Hughes at the back of the rotation, or (Dave) Robertson in the bullpen,” Brian Cashman said, “those are a lot easier than breaking in a young catcher in the big leagues, especially with high veteran starters and relievers in a pennant race in the American League East. Russell Martin, we hope, is the perfect situation to come along to allow us the timeframe to gives these kids the chance to (develop).”

Montero just turned 21. He hit .252/.328/.415 in the first half last season, and he had to be disciplined for his attitude. By all accounts, things changed in the second half when he was better behind the plate, at the plate and in the dugout. I truly believe that the Yankees think he’s ready for the big leagues, but a few more months in Triple-A certainly won’t hurt him. Romine has never caught a game above Double-A, and he hit .268 in Trenton last season. At this very moment, he’s hardly a can’t-miss option at the big league level.

There’s no need to rush either of them, and adding an experienced catcher — especially one with Martin’s potential — makes obvious sense. But what might it ultimately mean for the future of Montero and Romine? Well, this move is about giving the Yankees options, and there are plenty of options for their young catchers.

MonteroNew plan, same as the old plan
It doesn’t seem likely, but Cashman didn’t rule out the idea of either Montero or Romine beating Francisco Cervelli for the backup job out of spring training. “Those are things we’re going to work through in the spring,” Cashman said. There is still a chance — especially if Martin gets hurt again — that one of those two could open the season in New York, in one role or another. Not likely, but certainly an option.

Mid-season adjustment
The change of plans could be temporary. If Montero crushes the ball in Triple-A, or Romine takes a giant step forward, one of them could force his way to New York by mid-season. Martin isn’t a sure thing after two disappointing seasons, and his signing could do nothing but buy a little time for Montero or Romine to force the Yankees hand. Things could also change with a mid-season injury in New York.

See you in September
Could be that Martin is nothing but a one-year stepping stone. If Martin hits this season, and the young guys make progress in the minors, the Yankees could wait until September to give Montero or Romine a look in the big leagues — get their feet wet that way — and make the transition next season when the development has taken another step forward.

One is good, two is better
Martin is still arbitration eligible next season, and Jorge Posada is in the last year of his contract. Isn’t it entirely possible that Martin could bounce back to his all-star self, the Yankees could decide he’s actually their catcher of the near future and Montero could step into Posada’s DH role next season? Instead of being the bridge to Montero, couldn’t Martin become the bridge to Gary Sanchez? It’s possible.

Prospects are prospects, nothing more
Can’t pretend that every possible scenario is a good one. There’s a lot to like about Montero and Romine, but they haven’t done a thing at the big league level, and there’s always the chance they never will. The addition of Martin lets the Yankees keep the young guys in the minor leagues, where holes might be discovered and best-case scenario’s might not play out. There’s always the chance that Martin is, in fact, the best 20-something catcher currently in the Yankees organization.

From friend to foe
This is the part that makes a lot of folks nervous: Martin makes it easier for the Yankees to trade Montero or Romine if the right opportunity presents itself. Cashman has made it clear he’ll be hesitant to deal a proven hitter like Montero. Think of all the times Cashman did not trade Phil Hughes. It’s that kind of situation. If Montero is dealt, it will be for an elite player (like the Cliff Lee proposal in the summer). That’s one of the benefits of having considerable depth at a single position, and Martin limits the short-term impact if Cashman does pull the trigger.

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297 Responses to “What Martin might mean for Montero (and Romine)”

  1. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Great post Chad.

    You certainly laid out the options.

    ;)

  2. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 9:16 am

    “Mickey Montero”. Kind of has a nice “ring” to it.

    :)

  3. raymagnetic December 17th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    The sky is falling.

  4. Rich in NJ December 17th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    If the Yankees think Montero is ready, then they wouldn’t be rushing him by going north with him when the season starts.

    Joba has gone from broken in to broken. I just don’t get why he isn’t given a chance to start given the alternatives.

  5. randy l. December 17th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    yup, that about says it all.

    the yankees need to play the spring games to see what they have.

    i watch to see how a new guy takes to being a yankee.

    there’s always been a mystique about putting on the pinstripes for some players .

    my father for years told me that they needed to get a young third baseman from the indians because he had a perfect yankee stadium swing and carried himself like a yankee-that was graig nettles. swisher turned out to take to the yankees like a duck to water.

    some players just don’t fit. they have to play for us to see. there’s no way of knowing ahead of time for sure. i think martin has a toughness about him that goes well with the enthusiasm he has for the game.
    the old yankees that i grew up with were tough hard nosed players.

    i think martin can be this kind of player and he obviously has some talent. he just needs to get it back out .this is the opportunity of a lifetime for him.

    starting catcher for the yankees ?
    that’s a very big deal.
    i can see martin seeing the opportunity and getting back to being that all star catcher that he was.

  6. Rich in NJ December 17th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    You don’t trade Montero for a a pitcher who is Lee’s age no matter how good he is. The fact that he was a rental made it beyond stupid.

  7. Mell December 17th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    “Mell-

    You could just as easily argue that there is more, or as much, available now as there will be at the TD.

    Just sayin’”

    But would you be right? I honestly don’t know, but I think when teams like the Astros or Cardinals find themselves on the outside looking in in late July, guys like Wandy Rodriguez or Chris Carpenter may be a lot more available than they are now. We’ll have to see.

  8. randy l. December 17th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    ” I just don’t get why he isn’t given a chance to start given the alternatives.”

    i agree, which makes me think the yankees might know something about him that we don’t as far as potential injury tendencies.

    joba has been very good as a starter at times and has experience. he’s no rookie anymore.
    you’d think they’d give him a chance. but they don’t ,so there’s got to be something we don’t know about.

  9. Mell December 17th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Heyman is saying Feliciano about locked up. $4M per season for 2 years plus an option.

  10. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Randy-

    I sure as heck would love to see that happen with Martin. And it could.

    No doubt about that. Bring it on Russell.

    :)

  11. pat December 17th, 2010 at 9:26 am

    Flexibility and options are great things to have.

    I’ve been hit and run the past few days so if this has been posted already- apologies- but great read from Joe Posnanski on Zach Greinke.

    Joe has met, spoken with and written about Zach for years and unlike many here is willing to admit he doesn’t really know him, how he feels or would react to any situation.

    Would Greinke be a good fit in NY? Only Zach knows.

    http://joeposnanski.blogspot.c.....einke.html

  12. hardwired7 December 17th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    “Montero just turned 21.”

    That’s really the key right there, isn’t it?

    It’s not as if they would be hiding Montero’s glove in one of the corner outfield spots. The thought of a kid that young as the everyday starting catcher probably keeps Cashman awake at night.

    Let him mentor under Martin until you know for certain that he can handle the pressure that comes w/that job. It does make sense.

    The only downer is it somewhat kills the only buzz that has been generated so far this offseason: possibly adding Montero’s bat to that lineup on a regular basis.

  13. Mgumpher December 17th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Randy, I agree about your comment on Martin. Its one of the reasons why I could see Zambrano being a possible fit.

    The attitude and hard nosed type player, where the pressure could be a plus factor for them, not a negative.

    Its funny how some players who seem pretty tough just can’t handle it in NY.

  14. Web December 17th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    So by signing Feliciano, does that mean we lose a first round pick?

  15. hardwired7 December 17th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    should read: “Let Martin mentor him…”

  16. Erin December 17th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    SI_JonHeyman feliciano is close to a deal with #yankees. will get $4 mil a yr, 2 yrs plus, an option

  17. OldYanksFan December 17th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    As fans, most of us can’t wait for Montero to be on the roster. But Cashman can’t afford to be a fan. I believe Jesus is the real deal, but we know more work on his D will be helpful, and he was 2 different players last year. Not to mention that a mid season callup saves a year on Montero’s clock.

    The truth is, no matter how talented a player is, you never know what you get from a 21 year old. Matt Weiters has struggled in MLB, and he had a much better bat in MiLB.

    So since the Yankees have a little extra ‘Cliff Lee’ cash, Cashman bought himself some insurance. And if Martin does come back to form, the Yanks have him for a 2nd year relatively cheap. So this is another low risk, high upside deal. A bit surprising as we all thought we had tons of Catching… but ultimately I think this was a smart move.

  18. Rich in NJ December 17th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    “i agree, which makes me think the yankees might know something about him that we don’t as far as potential injury tendencies.”

    Maybe. I wish some enterprising reporter would push Cashman on finding out the reason.

    Chad?

  19. Erin December 17th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    SI_JonHeyman feliciano is the needed lefty in the pen for the #yankees. he made smart call rejecting arb from #mets as he gets 2 yrs plus option

  20. Rich in NJ December 17th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    I’m not big on signing LOOGYs.

  21. austinmac December 17th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    MTU,

    I agree with your earlier two cents. With my two cents worth of agreement, we now are developing quite the pot to use to improve the rotation and bullpen. :)

  22. blake December 17th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    Nice job Chad.

  23. Joe from Long Island December 17th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    randy at 8:44 – A very nice summation. What is it, about 60 more days to ST?

    Chad also nicely summarizes the situation at catcher. It just makes so much sense on so many levels. I can see Martin and Cervelli starting the season in NY, and then, when the situation dictates, Montero coming up to NY and Cervelli going to AAA, or, being dealt in the right deal.

    This was an importanat signing by the Yankees. As Casey Stengel once said, you need to have a catcher, or you’re going to have a lot of passed balls.

  24. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    Good move on feliciano IMO.

    He’s better than Fuentes.

    More durable and understands the NY stage.

    Guy is death on lefties.

  25. Mell December 17th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    “So by signing Feliciano, does that mean we lose a first round pick?”

    No. Pretty sure Feliciano was a Type B

  26. Mike Ri December 17th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    SI_JonHeyman feliciano is the needed lefty in the pen for the #yankees. he made smart call rejecting arb from #mets as he gets 2 yrs plus option

    - I’m not too crazy about the years. .. But I love this move ! . . 2 solid lefties in the pen !! .

  27. rodg12 December 17th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    # Web December 17th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    So by signing Feliciano, does that mean we lose a first round pick?
    ———————————–
    Nope. Feliciano is not a Type A free agent.

  28. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Austin-

    We are the “panickers”.

    We are on panic island all by our lonesomes.

    And we now have but 4 cents between us. Or in my case, maybe none.

    :)

  29. randy l. December 17th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    “Its funny how some players who seem pretty tough just can’t handle it in NY.”

    Mgumpher-

    i think it’s because being physically tough and mentally tough are necessarily the same thing.

    new york is a tough place to play. a player has to have a thick skin and a lot of inner confidence.

    russell martin has the opportunity of a lifetime.

    i’m hoping he embraces it. it could happen.

  30. Mgumpher December 17th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Yankees Nearing Deal With Feliciano
    FRIDAY, 8:23am: The sides are nearing a two-year agreement that will pay the lefty $4MM per season and include an option for 2013, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (on Twitter).

    From MLBTradeRumors…

    __________

    Could it be that Cashman is making another move? Seems a little whimpy compared to the winter off season that many clubs have had, but its something. lol.

  31. Joe from Long Island December 17th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    good news on Feliciano.

    Off to work.

  32. Joe from Long Island December 17th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    good news on Feliciano.

    Off to work.

  33. Rich in NJ December 17th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Type B

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....gents.html

  34. rodg12 December 17th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Chad -
    What’s Cervelli’s option situation? I believe he still has one, if not more, but how close is he to accruing enough MLB service time that he can’t be sent down?

  35. randy l. December 17th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    “We are on panic island all by our lonesomes.”

    mtu-

    i could join you if the yankees don’t come out swinging in april and may.

    but for now, i’m thinking why panic now when there’s plenty of time to panic later :)

  36. CCBiggs December 17th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Calling Montero a “proven hitter” is very funny. The guy has zero big league at bats. Come on now.

  37. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Randy-

    I was only yoking with Mac.

    Certainly far from panicked.

    ;)

  38. blake December 17th, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Pat,

    Mell posted shouted that article yesterday regarding Greinke. It is very good and its tough to read it and not feel better about how he might do in NY.

    Randy,

    MTU called me a flip flopper in the previous thread because I agree with both of you……why can’t a guy think that 2 wise men both make good points. ;)

    Rich,

    I think the notion was that had the trade gone through the Yanks would have been much more likely to retain Lee after he got a taste of NYC…..of course there would have been no.guarantee of that so we all should be extremely happy that trade didn’t go down.

  39. Web December 17th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    Thanks for clarifying everyone. I’m glad they get to keep that pick….for now, haha. Who knows what will happen.

  40. Mgumpher December 17th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Randy, I grew up in the NYC area, having been through that I knew “tough” kids (strength wise) who just had a hard time handling it, so I know what you mean.

    Thing is, its still a bit odd that some of the players who faded in NY seemed like they were mentally strong. Like Randy Johnson. He just seemed surly enough to have that crap kicker ‘tude, yet NY was just not good for him.

    Its one of the concerns I have about a player like Grienke. I am sure he is a competitor, but its that special something that is needed to hack it in NY that I’m not convinced he would have. I guess the only way to know is to have them play in NY, unless they can find the NY toughness gene. lol.

  41. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Blake-

    Randy may be wise.

    :)

  42. joeman December 17th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    feliciano appeared in 400 games in the last 5 years..must have some arm

  43. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Feliciano spent some time over at Goodyear havin’ his arm worked on.

    It’s vulcanized now.

    :)

  44. coney1 December 17th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    I’m a little confused. So Cashman will spend $4M a year on a pitcher who pitches to one hitter and then hits the showers but he won’t spend $6M a year on pitchers who can pitch the 8th and have closed games (Jenks, Wood). What is this idiot doing?

  45. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Blake-

    Maybe you just wear flip-flops around the house. ;)

  46. Mgumpher December 17th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Funny thing about the Lee non-trade, I do think that Lee had displayed the type of personality toughness that could have made it fine in NY.

    Of course, there is no way of knowing for certain about anyone, for all we know part of the AJ problem is him handling it in NY.

  47. joeman December 17th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    feliciano..no spring chicken either

  48. randy l. December 17th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    “Thing is, its still a bit odd that some of the players who faded in NY seemed like they were mentally strong. Like Randy Johnson. He just seemed surly enough to have that crap kicker ‘tude, yet NY was just not good for him.”

    johnson is a good example of someone who’s just not a yankee, but who you’d think could handle it.

    he seemed to never like being there. munson was surly, for example, but you get the feeling he loved being there.
    i think that’s the difference. you have to want to be in the new york spotlight.

  49. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Randy-

    To be good in NY you need to like the smell of Napalm in the Morning.

    :)

  50. Erin December 17th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    SI_JonHeyman feliciano #yankees deal, worth at least $8 mil, will be finalized today. now they seek set-up man for pen

  51. joeman December 17th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    feliciano..just for stats
    last 4 years, 217 innings pitched ..89 earn runs allowed

  52. wernerman December 17th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Feliciano is a situational reliever. He gets clobbered by right hand swingers. Seems a lot to pay for that. Oh, well, nothing the Yankees are doing right now makes sense to me.

  53. Howe Farr December 17th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    johnson is a good example of someone who?s just not a yankee, but who you?d think could handle it.

    __________________________________________________

    Don?t confuse your pre conceived and subjective notions of what a “yankee” is with old age.

  54. grouchonyy December 17th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    One concern with keeping Montero in SWB is the question of what to do with Romine. The Yankees can’t have both young catchers on the same team if they want both to get their full reps. Yes, they can split catcher and DH, but both need the catching experience more than a 50-50 split would provide. Does Romine stay in Trenton? How does that help him grow.

  55. Mell December 17th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    “Feliciano is a situational reliever. He gets clobbered by right hand swingers. Seems a lot to pay for that. Oh, well, nothing the Yankees are doing right now makes sense to me”

    Crazy market for relief pitching. When one of your chief competitors has a middle of the order full of left handed bats, having a guy or two who are effective at retiring them seems a good idea, no?

  56. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    And if Marte the magnificent gets healthy we’ll have 3.

  57. mick December 17th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Now get Fuentes.

  58. Mike Ri December 17th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    ?Feliciano is battle tested . . Look at the Phillies lineup.. Utley , Howard . Ext ..

    He doens’t give up the long ball either ! .. . Which is awesome !

  59. BIG AL December 17th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    MTU -

    So, you and Austin are going to use pot to improvethe rotation.

    Well, even if they can’t pitch, they’ll be happy and hungry, lol.

  60. blake December 17th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    If Pettite returns then the Yankees are the 2nd best team on paper in the AL if they do nothing else heading into spring training……with a better farm system and more trade chips available than Boston.

  61. austinmac December 17th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    I’m fine with Feliciano as a situational lefty. I wish, however, for some substial team improvement. As usual, I recommend Lee’s money go to Soriano and Greinke. As usual, Cashman isn’t listening. I liked the days when the Yankees used their financial clout. I have never minded people complaining about Yankee money, and I don’t complain when the Sox spend. I liked the complaints much more than seeing needed players go elsewhere.

  62. Benny Blanco December 17th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    It’s amazing how no matter what cashman does you all will never be satisfied.

  63. BIG AL December 17th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    blake -

    That’s where the patience comes in.

  64. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Al-

    Whatever works. ;)

    How are you today ?

  65. Mgumpher December 17th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    The prices were driven sharply up when Werth got that crazy contract. I wonder if the Feliciano signing has some to do with the number of Lefty bats the Red Sox will have in their lineup.

    I am wondering what the true value of Wood’s contract was. One report is 1.5 million for a year, the next is 5 to 6 million. How is it that there is such a big disparity in the reports? Seems like some are not doing their jobs.

  66. BIG AL December 17th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    Mike -

    Alive ….

  67. Mell December 17th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    “Does Romine stay in Trenton? How does that help him grow”

    Wasn’t like he was eating the Eastern League alive. After a nice start, he really struggled offensively the last few months of the season and then OPS’d to the tune of .640 in the AFL. I can’t imagine another half season in AA is going to hurt him. He was kind of young for AA last year anyway.

  68. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    Mac-

    Screw Soriano. Let’s get Soria. Aim high.

    (just kidding folks)

    :)

  69. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Al-

    Did you star in film about an Argentinian plane crash ?

    :)

  70. hardwired7 December 17th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Pedro Feliciano vs. Boston hitters:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/players.....8;teamId=2

    Not a huge sample size, but still impressive (he’s held Gonzalez completely in check).

  71. Mgumpher December 17th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    MTU December 17th, 2010 at 10:00 am
    And if Marte the magnificent gets healthy we?ll have 3.

    _______________

    Sure seems like he is built like a Pavano, no?

  72. blake December 17th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    “As usual, I recommend Lee’s money go to Soriano and Greinke. ”

    That would be great but we have to factor in what the cost would be and that’s undetermined at this time….especially with Greinke. If Soriano has closer options then its unlikely he would come to NY to set up unless he is overpaid by a good bit.

  73. BIG AL December 17th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    MTU -

    Just thinking about it makes me hungry.

  74. blake December 17th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    My guess is that Montero starts at Scranton and Romine at Trenton….when/if they call up Montero to NY they will move Romine to Scranton……of course there is the chance that Romine is with another team to start the season as well.

  75. BIG AL December 17th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Marte will be closing for Pavano next year, and will never be on the DL again, after leaving the Yankees.

  76. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Gumpher-

    Glass.

    :)

  77. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Al-

    Banana nut or Blueberry pancakes ?

    tells you a lot about a person’s personality.

    :)

  78. BIG AL December 17th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    I wouldn’t mind over paying Soriano to be both the EIG, and part-time closer. This way Mo don’t have to pitch back-to-back games, and if he pitches more than 1 inning, he gets the next day or 2 off. It would be a great insurance policy as well.

  79. blake December 17th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Marte was worth the trade as the Yanks may not have won the 2009 WS without him…..Pavano was a different story……however if he hadn’t been to NY already and had such a bad experience the Yankees would probably be all over him right now.

  80. BIG AL December 17th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Blueberry ……….

  81. Chambliss December 17th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    With a rotation that has some question marks, Feliciano may play an important role. Watching Fuentes would have given me serious heartburn.

  82. Mgumpher December 17th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    I remember hearing about some trade possibilities that Cashman had worked on that fell through, these were after a good deal of time had gone by, and was pretty impressed that some of them were even thought of.

    After the Lee Non-Trade I would think that Cashman would want to keep any “getting close/Almost done” deal as quiet as possible. Also, being that other teams have done some work driving up the costs to the Yankees it is probably in the Yankees best interests to underplay any interest they have till as late as possible.

  83. rodg12 December 17th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Ken_Rosenthal

    Feliciano deal with #Yankees will be 2 years, $9M, plus a club option. #Mets #MLB

  84. Doreen December 17th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Randy l -

    You’re a source of good reading this morning. I agree with your “take” in these situations.

    I also believe Montero would benefit from starting the season in SWB, then coming up a few weeks to 2 months into the season. And if all goes well, then Romine would be promoted to SWB.

    There’s lots of “ifs” no doubt. But every team is an “if” to one degree or another until the games are played.

    I hope Pettitte comes back, but I haven’t been optimistic for a variety of reasons. It would be nice if the Yankees had that little cushion of knowing Pettitte (a 2nd lefty) is in the rotation. Fingers are crossed. :)

    As long as Cashman doesn’t make moves for the sake of making moves, I’m happy. There’s still time left in the off-season.

  85. BD (Boston Dave) December 17th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Are the Sox even better on paper than NY if Andy is there?

    It’s close, on paper, IMO.

    So many ? that nobody can make an especially strong case one way or the other.

    Sox seem to be mostly done – I see them adding a RH OF/DH and 1-2 more avg relievers.

    Yanks could add a few more meaningful parts.

  86. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Al-

    That means you are a loyal friend.

    :)

  87. Binger December 17th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Unless Martin is Nick Swisher with knee pads on, this season might be a snoozefest. Watching Montero play big league ball was likely the only thing the upcoming season had going for it at this point.

  88. JoeMimic December 17th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    I’d love to get Fuentes too he has good splits against both sides but if Feliciano is getting four million per and Jenks is getting 6 million. I think he’s going to be priced a little too high for us.

  89. blake December 17th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    “After the Lee Non-Trade I would think that Cashman would want to keep any “getting close/Almost done” deal as quiet as possible. ”

    Yes, I think Cashman probably has no interest in having his offers shopped around again. If he’s up to anything then it will probably be done before anyone knows about it.

  90. Mell December 17th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    “Feliciano deal with #Yankees will be 2 years, $9M, plus a club option. #Mets #MLB”

    Wonder whether the extra million Rosenthal is reporting is reflective of a $1M buyout of the option year?

  91. blake December 17th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    “Are the Sox even better on paper than NY if Andy is there?”

    its a lot closer than people think. The deciding factor will be health and what each team gets from 3-5 in their rotations and their bullpens. Boston isn’t significantly better than the Yankees right now and may not be at all by opening day. The media has had a field day with Boston’s moves and NY’s non-moves this offseason but as usual its grossly overstated. Both teams are very good as is the entire AL east….that division is just going to be ridiculous.

  92. JoeMimic December 17th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Binger,

    What about Jeter chasing 3,000? He’s 74 hits away.

  93. BIG AL December 17th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Good morning Doreen -

    I think we’re all in agreement about wanting Andy back.

    I’d love to be able to watch him pitch 1 more year, and the Yankees to promote his good-bye tour. Andy has been one of my favorites since he came up, and hope he comes back soon.

  94. randy l. December 17th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    “When one of your chief competitors has a middle of the order full of left handed bats, having a guy or two who are effective at retiring them seems a good idea, no?”

    makes sense to me.

    the yankees are making incremental improvements that don’t get the attention of a big signing, but for all we know may be the tipping point that gets the yankees over the top.

  95. Mgumpher December 17th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Blake, I don’t think there would be any question that the Yankees would be looking hard at signing Pavano had he even had those years under a different club. Who knows if he dogged it during the Yankee years, making the injuries out to be more than they were, or if they were legitimate, but its just too hard a sell to just about everyone for giving him another go.

    If he were to sign for a big discount and 1 year, it would be something to think of, but no way would Cashman go that route again. I think being bit by Javy yet again, it makes the possibility of Pavano returning more remote than an ice cube lasting long while on the surface of the sun.

  96. BIG AL December 17th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    blake -

    Agreed, there will be no easy team on the schedule in the AL East this season.

    Even the O’s will be much tougher this year.

    I see 94-96 wins taking the division.

  97. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Al-

    I just can’t see Andy leaving the Yankees in the lurch. They really need him.

    Besides, they are gonna pay him well.

  98. blake December 17th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Mgumpher,

    Yea i don’t think there is any way they pursue Pavano, especially after what happened with Vasquez last year….it would just be too much of a circus if he struggled or got injured again. He would be a good fit for their needs though if the history weren’t there.

  99. JoeMimic December 17th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    If Javy got 7 million from the Marlins there is no way Pavano goes for under 10 million. He’d be a nice fit with the Nationals I think.

  100. Mgumpher December 17th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Randy, I do think that spreading out the costs from the money Lee would have cost, might be a better approach for the Yankees to take.

    As fans sometimes we get too caught up in the big flashy signings, with some justification, that we don’t notice the smaller moves made that can have a big impact on the season.

  101. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Blake-

    If it were up to me I would launch Pavano into deep space w/o enough fuel to return.

    ;)

  102. Benny Blanco December 17th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    If we can get soriano, That would make me happy.

  103. Cashman needs to go December 17th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Who’s todays low risk high reward player that the dork will try to sign?

  104. Doreen December 17th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    I’m curious – I thought Pavano wanted to go back to the Twins? Are they not interested? Have they not made any offer? They seemed to love him, especially in the clubhouse. (Go figure.)

  105. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Al-

    AL East is THE beast. No doubt about it.

  106. blake December 17th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    MTU,

    lol…

  107. BIG AL December 17th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Mike -

    I’d sign Andy for $14-$15M, as a good-bye gift, and to say thank you for coming back, he’s worth it.

    Back later.

  108. Mgumpher December 17th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    With as tough as the East is looking, it may be that the wild card will come out of the Central this year.

    The Rays might be the “easiest” team in the East to face, and with their rotation that isn’t going to be a walk over.

    I could see Pavano getting in the Nats. That might be a good fit for him and it might make the Nats one of the more improved ball clubs.

  109. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Al-

    I’m down with that.

    Right now AP represents a life preserver in an awful storm at sea.

    ;)

  110. Mgumpher December 17th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    MTU, there was talk about sending astronauts to Mars on a one way visit… maybe Pavano could be part of that. lol.

  111. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Gumpher-

    Mars is prisitine.

    Why soil the planet ?

    I vote for deep space.

  112. NYY fan in NH December 17th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Pedro feliciano for 2 years at 9 million and option for 3rd year. Another piece added…..

  113. Mell December 17th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    “Sox seem to be mostly done – I see them adding a RH OF/DH and 1-2 more avg relievers”

    Based on what I’ve read from some Boston writers, they seem totally done. Right handed OF/DH options are pretty appalling. So much though that they are likely to stick with Cameron and D. McDonald. Sounds like the pen is Papelbon, Jenks, Bard, Dubront and Wakefield for sure, with guys like Miller, Hill, Atchison and Albers battling for the last two spots. At least that’s how McAdam sees it.

  114. blake December 17th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    I still think the Orioles are going to finish last in the East….they will be better but they just don’t have the big league ready talent that the other 4 teams do right now. I think The Yankees and Sox will fight for 1st and the Jays and Rays will fight for 3rd.

    Tampa still has a really good rotation, the problem is that most of their bullpen is gone…..that will hurt them more than losing Crawford and Pena.

  115. Mell December 17th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    “The Rays might be the “easiest” team in the East to face, and with their rotation that isn’t going to be a walk over.”

    Still think it will be the O’s myself. Probably a lot of slugfests, but their starting pitching still isn’t good enough to play in the yard with the big dogs, IMO.

  116. LGY December 17th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Can someone please tell me I’m seeing things and the Yankees won’t be paying
    Pedro friggin Feliciano 8 mill over 2 years PLUS a club option???

  117. JoeMimic December 17th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    Pena and Crawford hit almost 40 hrs between them last year. That’s some decent power with nothing there to really compensate. Factor in the losses in the pen and it doesn’t look too great for them.

  118. blake December 17th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    LGY,

    your eyes do not deceive you….good year to be a relief pitcher.

  119. sunny615 December 17th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    Feliciano… meh.

    why?

    Why? Why? Why? Why?

  120. JoeMimic December 17th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    *50 hrs

  121. Mike Ri December 17th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    WHy not !! Feliciano shuts down lefties . .and doesn’t give up the long ball . . I don’t like 2 years . .but hey . . thats the market . .

  122. JoeMimic December 17th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Sunny,

    .214 baa vs lefties 210ks in 180ip. He’s the definition of matchup lefty.

  123. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    LGY-

    Think of it as a two-fer. We get a guy with a rubber arm and free concerts after we win. ;)

  124. LGY December 17th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    The Yankees don’t like the price or years on.Wood but they’ll give this much to a damn LOOGY. Incredible

  125. JoeMimic December 17th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Feliciano has only given up 10 hrs in 180Ip against lefties. In comparison Phil Coke in 71ip against lefties has given up 7hrs

  126. blake December 17th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Wouldn’t be surprised if the Yankees are “lying in the weeds” on both Greinke and Soriano….doesn’t mean they’ll make those moves but I doubt they have totally dismissed them as the media has reported.

  127. blake December 17th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    did Wood get 1.5 million or 5 million? was that ever confirmed?

  128. mick December 17th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    he and fuentes are the best lefties out there…

  129. sunny615 December 17th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Think the Rays will trade Garza within the division?

  130. ConcernedCitizen December 17th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Seems to me like our set-up man options are drying up quickly. Still kind of shocked that we couldn’t get Wood to return. Also disappointed that the Sox nabbed Jenks. Hasn’t been a good week for the Yanks, clearly.

  131. Mell December 17th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Ortiz, Drew, Ellsbury, Crawford and Gonzalez vs Feliciano = 4 for 22, with 11 K’s

    Small sample, bu he gets lefties out. Too much money, but that’s the market. He’s a good guy to have in a bullpen, and he wants to be in NYC.

  132. sunny615 December 17th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    wood got 1.5 from cubs… asked for 5 mil from yankees.

  133. mick December 17th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    sounds like Wood just wanted to play for the Cubs…

  134. blake December 17th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    “Think the Rays will trade Garza within the division?”

    not to the Yankees unless Montero is involved and Garza isn’t worth Montero.

  135. JoeMimic December 17th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    Wood was good in the last half of the season but prior to that with Cleveland his entire AL run stunk. 4+ era the year before and a 6+ era before coming over the club. Not to mention an injury risk. I don’t blame them for being cautious on years with him.

  136. mick December 17th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    Jenks has been crappy…

  137. Mell December 17th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    Blake:

    Sounds like Wood’s base is definitely $1.5M. Some scuttlebut that incentives that could jack it up to $5M are being worked out.

  138. Mike Ri December 17th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Wood wanted to go back to Chicago . .no biggie . .best of luck to him !

  139. mick December 17th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Feliciano has more value as a lefty than Wood. Yanks are not done yet and are saving up for Andy.

  140. blake December 17th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Mell,

    wow that’s cheap….guess he just wanted to play in the friendly confines again. If that’s true then best of luck to him.

  141. Hopdevil December 17th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Interesting article by Tim Marchman yesterday on Martin…also contains a different perspective on Lee and Phils rotation

    “Not everyone is great. Not everyone can be. It’s likely best to forget what Martin was and pay attention to what he is: Young and competent with the potential to be more. Pick up enough such players and you’ll uncover the odd Nick Swisher; pick up enough of those and you will, if you run a $200 million payroll, win 105 games every year.”

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....?eref=sihp

  142. sunny615 December 17th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    I’d see if any of these guys were available and the asking price

    Garza, Josh Johnson, Greinke, King Felix (what could it hurt?), Carmona, and Liriano.

  143. LGY December 17th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    I’m not at my comp right now. Can anyone tell me what Choate got?

  144. JoeMimic December 17th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    I really think Fuentes won’t sign until after Soriano does.

  145. ConcernedCitizen December 17th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Oh, and if Pavano goes to the Nats, I will go to every Nats home game that Pavano starts and heckle him the entire game. (I live in DC.)

  146. upstate kate December 17th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    LGY
    Why do you think the Yankees could have signed Wood? It appears he took a significant discount to go back home.

  147. blake December 17th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    LGY,

    2 years, 2.5 million total plus incentives I believe.

  148. LGY December 17th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Feliciano has more value as a lefty than Wood

    ****

    How?

    Wood is a set up guy that could face up to 6 batters per game.

  149. hardwired7 December 17th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Choate signed for 2 yrs/$2.5M.

  150. sunny615 December 17th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    The Marlins announced that they signed Randy Choate to a two-year deal. It’s worth a total of $2.5MM plus incentives, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports, who first reported the deal (all Twitter links). Choate will earn $1MM in 2011 and $1.5MM in 2012 with $150K in incentives each year, depending on the number of appearances he makes. ACES represents Choate.

  151. randy l. December 17th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    “As fans sometimes we get too caught up in the big flashy signings, with some justification, that we don’t notice the smaller moves made that can have a big impact on the season.”

    yes, who would have thought vazquez would have totally bombed for the yankees after having the season he had in atlanta ?

    the other variable is how your opponents are doing when deciding how much you need to upgrade. the red sox had some pretty ugly starting pitching last year with beckett, lackey, and dice k. papelbon may be a real head case for the red sox this year with them doing everything they can to push him out of there.

  152. Bret The Hitman December 17th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    re: Zack Greinke

    “I have written about Zack Greinke many times over many years, and other than my statement above (I have no idea what’s going on Greinke’s head) there’s almost nothing I can say about the guy with any real conviction. Well, there’s is one other thing I can say: Zack Greinke hates the losing.

    For some reason, people rarely seem to realize this. People think because Greinke does not feel comfortable around crowds — he has said a couple of time that being on the cover of SI was awful because it encourages more autograph seekers — that he somehow lacks confidence or aggressiveness or competitiveness. No. The guy has those three things in bulk. He knows that he’s a great pitcher. He never backs off. And he HATES losing.

    It’s startling to me that people keep missing this. Well, maybe it isn’t startling. I suppose that when you hear someone walked away from baseball, it’s natural to assume certain things. I suppose when you hear someone takes medication to deal with social anxiety it’s natural to assume certain things. But, as my old science teacher first told me, as he wrote the word “assume” on the chalkboard, you know what you do when you assume …*”

    http://joeposnanski.blogspot.c.....einke.html

  153. BIG AL December 17th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    I’d give the Rays Romaine for Garza.

  154. Cashman needs to go December 17th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Wasn’t Mike Myers supposed to be death on lefty’s (pun intended) when the yankees got him? 4.5 million dollars a year on a guy that pitches to 1 guy at a time but signing someone (soriano) for 11 million dollars a year who can pitch 2 innings at a time AND close out games is too expensive?

    Cashman at his best…

  155. LGY December 17th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Choate is just as good if not better than Pedro.

    Of all the dumb reliever signings this winter this is the worst :mad:

  156. Chip December 17th, 2010 at 10:48 am

    2 years 9 mil? Really?

    Unless the Yankees are convinced he can be more than a situational lefty this is a wee bit high.

  157. Erin December 17th, 2010 at 10:48 am

    ConcernedCitizen December 17th, 2010 at 10:44 am
    Oh, and if Pavano goes to the Nats, I will go to every Nats home game that Pavano starts and heckle him the entire game. (I live in DC.)

    *******************************

    :lol:

  158. sunny615 December 17th, 2010 at 10:48 am

    I guess depending on what KC is asking for, I’d take a cup of coffee on Greinke… I would NOT include Montero or Sanchez tho.

  159. mick December 17th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Getting a lefty or 2 is priority #1….Wood will get hurt again….they have potential set up guys and will get another, I see Fuentes.

  160. Bret The Hitman December 17th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    re: Zack Greinke

    “Greinke craves pressure. I have seen it. I have listened to him talk about it. He craves big games. He hasn’t had many. You could make an argument that he hasn’t had ANY. I remember in 2006 when he came back to baseball, he was sent down to Class AA Wichita to be a reliever and to get his head together. And he found that he LOVED it. Yes, it was partly because he liked the bullpen (where he could pitch more often) and it was partly because he was on his medication and no longer felt quite so gray. But perhaps the biggest part of it was that the Wichita team was good. They were in a pennant race. The games mattered. When the Royals wanted to call him up to pitch for a third straight 100-loss team, Greinke found that he really wanted to stay in Wichita, where the action was happening.

    Throughout his career, he has been at his best in April (before the Royals fall out of contention) and in September (when he can feel the season coming to an end). He probably deserved to start the 2009 All-Star Game, at least based on the way he pitched in the first half, but instead Roy Halladay started. Greinke pitched the fourth inning. He threw 10 pitches, eight strikes, and got a foul pop-up and two strikeouts. Absurdly small sample size? You betcha. But when you pitch for the Royals, and you are trying to find meaningful moments, there aren’t any big sample sizes.

    I don’t know how Zack Greinke would do in New York or Chicago or any other big market. How could I know? But when I see people question his toughness or his psyche — either in direct words on Twitter or, infinitely more annoying, in read-between-the-lines quotes and stories — I guess they don’t know him any better than I do. If I had to pick the hardest place in baseball for Zack Greinke to pitch it would be … in Kansas City, with a dreadful defense behind him, with little run support, with little hope of contending now or anytime soon. I would guess that’s why Greinke last year, after playing the good soldier for so long (and signing a club-friendly contract), came out and said he didn’t want to go through another youth movement. He’s been through enough youth movements.”

    http://joeposnanski.blogspot.c.....einke.html

  161. pat December 17th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    MLB Network seems very focused on the Yankees (particularly Jorge, Derek and Alex) getting old while the Sox are young.

    Are Scutaro, Ortiz, Cameron, Varitek and Drew not playing for the Sox this year?

  162. Mell December 17th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    “I’d give the Rays Romaine for Garza”

    I’d guess the Rays would suggest the Yankees keep Romaine then.

  163. Chip December 17th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    LGY December 17th, 2010 at 10:47 am
    Choate is just as good if not better than Pedro.

    Of all the dumb reliever signings this winter this is the worst

    ——————–

    No, Joakin Benoit is the worst.

    3 years and big money to a guy who pitched well for one season – what makes it even worse is that the team that signed him is the same team that made an awful signing when they inked Brandon Lyon to a similar deal.

  164. Mike Ri December 17th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Brett — I have a feeeling the Yanks haven’t given up on Grienke just yet .

  165. JoeMimic December 17th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    He’s not anything more than a situation lefty. The Yankees i’m sure are very aware of that, it’s just the market price. Relievers are going for way overvalue when you add in the usual Yankee tax you’re going to get 2 years 9 million

  166. Chip December 17th, 2010 at 10:52 am

    pat December 17th, 2010 at 10:49 am
    MLB Network seems very focused on the Yankees (particularly Jorge, Derek and Alex) getting old while the Sox are young.

    Are Scutaro, Ortiz, Cameron, Varitek and Drew not playing for the Sox this year
    ———————————

    It’s true – the Red Sox have only gotten younger at Catcher this year – and if you give me the choice of getting older or replacing Victor Martinez with Jarrod Saltalamaccia I’m going to opt for getting older.

  167. Chip December 17th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    My package for Greinke:

    Gardner, Joba, Romine, Betances, Nunez

  168. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Al-

    It’s rare for direct competitors to trade with each other but if they’d do that I’d do it a NY minute. Or even faster.

  169. wernerman December 17th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Choate is signed for 2.5 Feliciano is signed for 9……hmmmmmm

  170. LGY December 17th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Chip

    How much did Benoit sign for?

  171. blake December 17th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    The Yankees are “old” at 5 positions. SS, 3B, and DH, 1 starting pitcher and closer….everywhere else they are either young or in their prime. How old the Yankees are is another thing that’s grossly overstated by the media.

  172. ac1 December 17th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Are Scutaro, Ortiz, Cameron, Varitek and Drew not playing for the Sox this year?

    __

    Don’t forget Youkilis…. he is well into his 30s too.

  173. JoeMimic December 17th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Benoit 3 years 16.5 million

  174. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Chip-

    Dayton Moore is ridculous. Wouldn’t get it done, even though I personally think that is more than fair.

  175. MTU December 17th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Gotta run. I’ll try to check back later.

  176. Cashman needs to go December 17th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Chip December 17th, 2010 at 10:53 am
    My package for Greinke:

    Gardner, Joba, Romine, Betances, Nunez

    *******************

    If they could then trade for dallas braden (#4) and coco crisp (LF or CF and move grandy to left) i’d sign up for it

  177. pat December 17th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Ozzie being Ozzie. :wink:

    craigcalcaterra Best. Video. Ever. RT @darrenrovell the best ticket commercial of all time starring the great @OzzieGuillen http://is.gd/iU88s

  178. LGY December 17th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    JoeMimic,

    Thanks.

    Yeah I’ll take the best set up man in baseball last over for an extra mill over a LOOGY.

  179. Mike Ri December 17th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    I agree Blake –

    I also don’t consider Arod “old” he’s 35 not 55 …… .plus he’s still in Tip Top shape ! ..( hip aside ) … Arod is still a premiere player in this league..

  180. Chip December 17th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Marc (Lancaster, PA)

    What does Banuelos need to work on to solidify himself as a top of the rotation pitcher?

    Klaw (12:37 PM)

    I don’t see much left for him to do. Tighten the breaking ball? He’s got command. He’s got present velocity. He’s not projectable. The change is plus. He’s pretty damn good right now.

  181. rodg12 December 17th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Ken_Rosenthal

    Feliciano agreement with #Yankees in place; pending physical. It is 2 yrs, 8M – not 9M, as I reported in earlier tweet. #Mets #MLB

  182. Joe from Long Island December 17th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Wasn’t Scott Brosius’ acqusition one of those moves where everyone was thinking, what were the Yankees’ thinking? That worked out fairly well.

    Hey, Russell Martin could end up being 2011′s version of Scott Brosius. Ya never know…..

  183. Chip December 17th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Cashman needs to go December 17th, 2010 at 10:59 am
    Chip December 17th, 2010 at 10:53 am
    My package for Greinke:

    Gardner, Joba, Romine, Betances, Nunez

    *******************

    If they could then trade for dallas braden (#4) and coco crisp (LF or CF and move grandy to left) i’d sign up for it
    ———————-

    How about re-sign Andy and sign Damon for LF and use a guy like Golson or someone like him as a late inning defensive replacement?

  184. pat December 17th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    blake

    What gets discounted is how many of those 5 Yankees would you trade for the “young” Red Sox player at like position though?

  185. Chip December 17th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    MTU December 17th, 2010 at 10:58 am
    Chip-

    Dayton Moore is ridculous. Wouldn’t get it done, even though I personally think that is more than fair.

    ——————–

    In fairness to Moore – he has to get a clear win in a Greinke trade – if not the few fans left in KC will revolt; attendance will drop even more and Moore will be sending out his resume.

  186. Tom in N.J. December 17th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    4 million a year is much more palpable than 4.5.

  187. Gary December 17th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    So Jenks to Boston and Woods to Chicago. More news that doesn’t directly effect the Yanks roster, but at least in Jenks case it could directly impact them, and the loss of Woods at least temporarily leaves anither hole. My annoyance grows this offseason. Boston is going to be a much better team next season and they play in the bandbox that they expliot.

  188. LGY December 17th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    Between Feliciano, Logan, and Marte the Yankees are going to be spending over $9 million on three guys who have no chance against more than half the batters in the league!

    To sum up how I feel how this signing

    :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: !!!!!

  189. LGY December 17th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    kate,

    I think Feinsand tweeted that the asking price for Wood to return to the Yankees was much higher than he signed for.

    And I think Sherman tweeted that the Yankees didn’t want to go 2 years.

    That leads me to believe Wood wanted Chicago, but would have signed with the Yankees at the right price for 2 years.

  190. Mgumpher December 17th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    blake December 17th, 2010 at 10:39 am
    Wouldn?t be surprised if the Yankees are ?lying in the weeds? on both Greinke and Soriano?.doesn?t mean they?ll make those moves but I doubt they have totally dismissed them as the media has reported.

    ____________

    This is one thought I had as well. Of course it could be exactly as they say, but it seems to me there have been too many of the Yankees being interested in both of them, then almost immediately a “no they’re not” report. Kind of a “thou protesteth too much” type of case.

    I do believe that the Yankees have some concerns about Grienke in NY. I don’t think its the on mound stuff that is driving their concern, but more the media circus that follows the games, along with the media going after pitchers pretty hard after a loss.

  191. sunny615 December 17th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    They’d want us to pay them $$$ for taking Joba… That dude has got negative trade value.

  192. hardwired7 December 17th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    Thanks for the Posnanski link, Chip.

    That’s like an instaclick. He never disappoints.

  193. hardwired7 December 17th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    I mean, thanks Bret.

    I’m totally in Friday mode today…

  194. blake December 17th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Average age of projected starting 9.

    Yankees: 30.7
    Red Sox: 29.7

    Obviously a huge difference….Replace Posada with Montero and the Yankees average age becomes 28.7

  195. Mgumpher December 17th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    coco crisp (LF or CF and move grandy to left) i?d sign up for it
    _________________

    I really can’t stand Cereal Boy. Hate watching him bat. Seems to me that he wasn’t all that hot playing for the Red Saux as well, why would he play any better for the Yankees?

  196. ConcernedCitizen December 17th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    I know everyone will be very sad to hear this, but it seems like Pedro’s 100% retiring: http://www.csnphilly.com/pages.....0&

  197. Nick in SF December 17th, 2010 at 11:11 am

    Please be fair: for the time being, Marte has no chance against all the batters in the league.

  198. MaineYankee December 17th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    blake

    To be fair the RS have an old BP coach (Wakefild) that brings their age up.

  199. Cashman needs to go December 17th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    How about re-sign Andy and sign Damon for LF and use a guy like Golson or someone like him as a late inning defensive replacement?

    *****************

    Yeah Cashman doesn’t resign old broken down ex yankee players…oops forgot about nick johnson and javy vasquez

    i’d still rather have crisp who gives you excellent defense and can actually hit a homerun now and then and is as fast (and smarter on the bases) as gardner doesn’t k as much and only costs 5 million (and is a switch hitter) and a solid #4 in braden

    Actually the rotation would be better than if they had lee in it since your 6th pitcher is burnett and not a AAA scrub

    CC
    Greinke
    Hughes
    Braden
    Pettite
    Burnett

    if cashman can make this happen i’ll forgive him for all his stupid trades and signings the last couple of years

  200. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    III – Improve your bullpen to hold the lead you have:
    Prior.
    Feliciano

    Next step – Add a righty bullpen arm or a lefty that can pitch to either side of the plate:

    Recommendation:
    Sign Aceves to a minor league deal and
    sign FA Jon Rauch or Brian Fuentes
    or trade for David Aardsma

  201. blake December 17th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Chip,

    That’s a lot to give up….Betances and Gardner are the two in that group that I would hesitate the most about. Again I don’t know if the Royals would do that deal but I’d consider it from the Yankees POV if they had something lined up in advance to replace Gardner.

  202. blake December 17th, 2010 at 11:15 am

    Maine,

    that was just position players….I didn’t include pitchers.

  203. Mgumpher December 17th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    I could see the next move being Fuentes. I think they will try to sign Aceves to a minor league deal as well, though not sure if he will take that or not.

  204. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Cashman is getting it done.

    We may not like his pace or lack of headline names, but he’s on point with making prudent, short term moves, without being subject to players holding the Yankees to a ransom to play here.

  205. Mike Ri December 17th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    I agree DaSaint !!

  206. BIG AL December 17th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    Given some of the whining going on around, we might as well skip 2011 and go directly to the 2012 season, and present the RS with the AL Championship flag.

    I can’t see it, perhaps I’m blind, but the RS lost 2 very good bats, and replaced them with 2 good bats.

    There is still a question out there as to how A-Gon will come back from his surgery, will Crawford have another career year, will their injured players come back 100%, and will all the woes of their #3-#5 SP be a thing of the past, or cintinue.

    I still believe the Yankees will win the AL East.

  207. JM December 17th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    Speaking of Posnanski, this has probably already been posted, but if not, it’s a great read…re: Bob Feller…

    http://joeposnanski.si.com/201.....ob-feller/

  208. Cashman needs to go December 17th, 2010 at 11:21 am

    I really can’t stand Cereal Boy. Hate watching him bat. Seems to me that he wasn’t all that hot playing for the Red Saux as well, why would he play any better for the Yankees?

    **********************

    i kind of felt the same way but in the scenario above gardner was getting traded for grienke so having crisp as gardners replacement (at $5 million) is about equal value – maybe a little higher as he can actually bunt and plays stellar defense – plus unfortuantely he always seemed to play well against the yankees…

  209. blake December 17th, 2010 at 11:21 am

    This is just hypothetical but if the Yankees did trade Gardner I wonder if they would try Montero out in RF a little in ST just to see how he did out there. Obviously you want to keep him behind the plate if you can because that’s where his value skyrockets but I’ve read some reports that indicate that he could possibly hold down a corner outfield spot if it came to that….

  210. MaineYankee December 17th, 2010 at 11:21 am

    blake

    I didn’t look close enough.

  211. Chip December 17th, 2010 at 11:21 am

    LGY December 17th, 2010 at 11:04 am
    Between Feliciano, Logan, and Marte the Yankees are going to be spending over $9 million on three guys who have no chance against more than half the batters in the league!

    ——————-

    Leave Marte out of the mix – odds are we don’t see him in pinstripes this season.

  212. Gary December 17th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Cashman outwardly is trying to display that cool, calm, and collected image. Behind the scene it’s got to be much different. Yankess front office has to know that Boston got much better and despite the talk about the team being in very good shape there are gaping holes in several areas. I also don’t think any of the teams right now are in too much of a mindset to help the Yanks out.

    Regarding the catching situation, it’s hard for me to see them offering to Jorge next year when his contract is up unless he just has a very good season, improves his RISP batting and stays healthy.

  213. Chip December 17th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    blake December 17th, 2010 at 11:14 am
    Chip,

    That’s a lot to give up….Betances and Gardner are the two in that group that I would hesitate the most about. Again I don’t know if the Royals would do that deal but I’d consider it from the Yankees POV if they had something lined up in advance to replace Gardner.

    ————————-

    I understand the hesitation

    My thinking though is this – if everything breaks right for Betances then maybe someday he can be as good as Grienke is now, but that’s a big maybe.

    As for Gardner – I like him, but I’m not going to let him prevent me from getting Greinke.

  214. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Current bullpen:
    Rivera, EIG TBD, Robertson, Chamberlain, Logan, Feliciano, Mitre (spot starter/long relief when they sign another starter).

    Almost there.

  215. LGY December 17th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Nick

    :lol:

    Chip

    They are still paying him and just goes to show how dumb Feliciano’s contract is because of how predictably awful Marte’s turned out to be.

  216. G-C December 17th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Boston has not gotten “much better.”

    They added two players who will be lucky to duplicate what they got from Victor Martinez and Adrian Beltre last year.

  217. RS December 17th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    If Greinke loves competing but hates media attention, he should probably be in LA.

  218. blake December 17th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Chip,

    My guess is that the Yankees would probably make that deal….I don’t know about the Royals though…..they probably are going to demand Montero right now.

  219. BIG AL December 17th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Gary -

    I hope Posada is smart enough to know his career is over after this season, and retires, rather than forcing the Yankees to tell him he’s no longer needed.

  220. G-C December 17th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    And while I never, never like signing loogies like Feliciano to multiyear contracts, I think Cashman did pretty well for himself here. Feliciano should be used mostly for one or two batters, but he also has shown the ability to pitch to righties and pitch multiple innings at points not too long ago. This isn’t a Mike Myers signing.

    Finding a second lefty (and one with specialist tendencies) also gives Girardi flexibility to see if Logan can emerge into more than a good left handed specialist. He has the fastball and moxie to develop into an outstanding left handed reliever, period, a guy who could certainly see some reps in the eighth inning this year. I’m really quite optimistic about what he’ll give us this year.

  221. BIG AL December 17th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Have a good day folks.

  222. Fran the original December 17th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    I like the Feliciano signing. Good option from the left side and we know he can handle NY.

    Now still need that 8th innning guy to complete the bullpen.

  223. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    You have a good day also Big Al!

  224. LGY December 17th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    “Feliciano should be used mostly for one or two batters, but he also has shown the ability to pitch to righties and pitch multiple innings at points not too long ago. This isn’t a Mike Myers signing.”

    ————————-

    Over the past 3 years RHB have hit Feliciano to the tune of .325 with a .898 OPS.

  225. RS December 17th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    I like Feliciano because he has good stuff and AL batters wont be used to facing him. Mets might have overworked him at times, but at least he’s durable and consistent.

  226. Erin December 17th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Joelsherman1 By the way, Feliciano’s physical is not today, so might not be made offical by #Yankees until next week

  227. Gary December 17th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    G-C December 17th, 2010 at 11:24 am
    Boston has not gotten “much better.”

    They added two players who will be lucky to duplicate what they got from Victor Martinez and Adrian Beltre last year.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    Well C-G perhaps your right, but I see it differently. I respect your opinion. The injuries were pretty significant for the Sox last year. I see them as a team that could win 100 games next year.

  228. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    I’m hoping that Cash signs an EIG who has significant closer experience.
    Soriano would be great, but doubtful that he wants to be a setup man again.
    Fuentes would be fine, because he’s closed AND he’s a lefty, so that provides more options.
    Rauch would be good also, as he’s demonstrated setting up and closing when Nathan was out.

    I’m expecting any of those three. In terms of probability, it’s Rauch, Fuentes, and then Soriano.

  229. rodg12 December 17th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Thank you for that link, JM. I hadn’t seen that article yet. Just a great read, like pretty much everything I’ve ever read from Posnanski…

  230. Erin December 17th, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Joelsherman1 Among LHs, Feliciano’s .209 BAA vs. LHs is 2d lowest in MLB (min 600PA). Want No. 1? Drum roll please .. Oliver Perez, .197 #Yankees, #Mets

    Joelsherman1 Besides $ discrepancy, #Yankees liked Feliciano has succeeded in NY, rep as wanting ball big spots, had some doubts on Fuentes

  231. Betsy December 17th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    I just don’t know why everyone assumes Montero will be traded………..if he is traded, it would only be for some stud young pitcher. Since none of those is available, he’s still going to be here. It’s a good thing that he gets to break in without the pressure of having to lead a pitching staff.

    Romine? I don’t think this affects him at all. He’s probably going to be trade bait at some point.

  232. rodg12 December 17th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Scouting report on Feliciano from Stat’s Inc…

    http://es.pn/eQlXSf

  233. JM December 17th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    rodg12,

    You’re right. Posnanski almost never disappoints. Just thought that was so well done, about Feller, but also about fathers and sons. Good stuff.

  234. Joe from Long Island December 17th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    JM – thanks for the link to the Posnanski article on Bob Feller. Posnanski is a heckuva writer, and that was a heckuva piece of writing.

    Michael Kay once did a Centerstage interview with Feller. I hope they play it again, and soon.

  235. pat December 17th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Someone on twitter asked a few Yankee related people what would your Yankee line-up be for 2011?

    Here are the responses from 2 NY media members.

    1. Gardner, Jeter, Teix, ARod, Cano, Posada, Grandy, Swisher, Martin.

    2. Gardner, Swisher, Tex, A-Rod, Cano, Posada, Granderson, Jeter, Martin

    Interesting that flip flopping Jeter and Swish was the only difference.

  236. Chip December 17th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    LGY December 17th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Chip

    They are still paying him and just goes to show how dumb Feliciano’s contract is because of how predictably awful Marte’s turned out to be.
    _____________________

    the only thing that made Marte’s contract stink is that in his first year he went to the WBC, hurt himself because the idiots who planned the WBC didn’t take into account that spring training exists for a reason other than to let Floridians see baseball, and then tried to pitch through it making the injury quite a bit worse.

    Feliciano on the other hand has proven to be quite durable without being overworked.

    Am I thrilled with the signing price? No, but it’s what the market is dictating and the Yankees have the money to spend so what the heck difference does it make?

    It isn’t like Cashman is going to say “I can’t trade for Greinke because I’m paying Feliciano $4 million this year.”

    That is the good side of the Lee fallout – Brian can spend like a drunken sailor if he so desires.

  237. bruceb December 17th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    BIG AL December 17th, 2010 at 11:20 am
    Given some of the whining going on around, we might as well skip 2011 and go directly to the 2012 season, and present the RS with the AL Championship flag.

    I can’t see it, perhaps I’m blind, but the RS lost 2 very good bats, and replaced them with 2 good bats.

    There is still a question out there as to how A-Gon will come back from his surgery, will Crawford have another career year, will their injured players come back 100%, and will all the woes of their #3-#5 SP be a thing of the past, or cintinue.

    I still believe the Yankees will win the AL East.

    Both blind and exceedingly stupid.

  238. Betsy December 17th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    So they are looking for a set up man when they could have had one in Wood? It’s unbelievable how often we keep hearing “$$$ discrepancy” and “too expensive” associated with the Yankees. They have all this Lee $$ and they are trying to build a team as if they are the Marlins or Pirates.

  239. Betsy December 17th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Chip, he’s not doing that – all Cashman is doing is going for the cheapest players possible.

  240. ConcernedCitizen December 17th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Sounds like they didn’t want to be married to Wood for two years. Not really sure why, but that’s what it sounds like.

  241. blake December 17th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Need to flip Cano and Tex as well IMO.

  242. Chip December 17th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Betsy December 17th, 2010 at 11:45 am
    So they are looking for a set up man when they could have had one in Wood? It’s unbelievable how often we keep hearing “$$$ discrepancy” and “too expensive” associated with the Yankees. They have all this Lee $$ and they are trying to build a team as if they are the Marlins or Pirates.

    ——————-

    Betsy,

    If you look at what Kerry Wood actually signed for (given the market for relief pitchers in general) it is pretty obvious that he wanted to go back to the Cubbies. He took less money and a smaller role (as Marmol will be the closer not him) than he could have gotten with almost any other club.

    I respect the decision.

    I also have no problem with the Yankees passing on him. I think we were exceptionally lucky to get a healthy half season out of Wood and I don’t have faith that he can repeat that sort of durability next year.

  243. Mell December 17th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Greinke switches his representation. His new agent? Old friend Casey Close.

  244. Betsy December 17th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Chip, maybe……………

    I’m not that familiar with Feliciano, but this contract seems awfully high for a LOOGY. Given that Marte has been a god-awful contract, I’m surprised Cash would do this. So far this off-season stinks.

  245. Chip December 17th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Betsy December 17th, 2010 at 11:46 am
    Chip, he’s not doing that – all Cashman is doing is going for the cheapest players possible.

    ———————-

    Betsy,

    The prices teams are paying for relief pitchers is crazy – the Yankees have been burned by it in the past: Farnsworth, Quantrill, Karsay…

    Why do you want Cashman to repeat the same mistakes he made in the past?

    I assure you that by this time next year the teams that signed guys like Jesse Crain, Matt Guerrier and Joakin Benoit will be looking to trade those contracts. Just as the White Sox traded Scott Linebrink after giving him a big deal, the Tigers traded Brandon Lyon after giving him a big deal and the Yankees traded Kyle Farnsworth after giving him a big deal.

  246. pat December 17th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Wood reportedly turned down $3.5M to play for the White Sox in favor of $1.5M to play for the Cubs.

    Not sure why some are so sure a bigger check would have kept him in pinstripes?

  247. Erin December 17th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    ed_price Source: Trade target Zack Greinke has changed representation to CAA, specifically Jeff Berry & Casey Close. Agency also reps Garza, Blanton

  248. Cashman needs to go December 17th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Betsy December 17th, 2010 at 11:45 am
    So they are looking for a set up man when they could have had one in Wood? It’s unbelievable how often we keep hearing “$$$ discrepancy” and “too expensive” associated with the Yankees. They have all this Lee $$ and they are trying to build a team as if they are the Marlins or Pirates.

    ****************

    Thats the most depressing part of this offsesason (and last years as well) – it seems the rally cry this year is “He’s too expensive for what we want to do”

    the only way the yankees will stay competitive is to put to good use what they have an abundance of – and that is money….what are they going to do with cliff lee’s 25 million or if you don’t want to count that vazquez’s 11 million, johnson’s 6 million (and they even saved a few mill on jeter’s contract)..

    they are going cheap with these rule 5 signings that won’t amount to anything and trying the “catch lightning in a bottle signings” of 33 year old scrubs..

    i never thought i’d see the day that spending a few million dollars more than the next team would scare off the yankees….

    george must be rolling in his grave…

  249. Mike Ri December 17th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    ed_price Source: Trade target Zack Greinke has changed representation to CAA, specifically Jeff Berry & Casey Close. Agency also reps Garza, Blanton

    — Interesting

  250. pat December 17th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    “Greinke switches his representation. His new agent? Old friend Casey Close.”

    Sounds like he may be wanting something in return if he agrees to waive his no trade clause to me!

  251. Nick in SF December 17th, 2010 at 11:58 am

    “Greinke switches his representation. His new agent? Old friend Casey Close.”

    Don’t feel baffled, Greinke is clearly looking towards his post-baseball Hollywood career.

  252. Mgumpher December 17th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    Greinke can’t block trades to certain teams though, namely the Rangers and Angels (teams that could be thinking hard about obtaining him).

    Who was his prior agent?

  253. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    I hate using this word, but some here are acting really silly.

    A player asks one team for 5 times what he asks for from another team, and you guys expect Cashman to go along with that? When was the last time you paid more than you needed to knowing what the market price was, just because you had extra cash? Did you give the gal at the counter a 5 spot for that 2.50 cup of coffee today? No? Why not. Couldn’t you afford it?

    Silly.

  254. Chip December 17th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Betsy December 17th, 2010 at 11:51 am
    Chip, maybe……………

    I’m not that familiar with Feliciano, but this contract seems awfully high for a LOOGY. Given that Marte has been a god-awful contract, I’m surprised Cash would do this. So far this off-season stinks.

    ————————

    Betsy,

    I disagree. The Yankees came into the offseason with a few objectives:

    1. Re-Sign Derek: Done.
    2. Re-Sign Mo: Done
    3. Sign Lee: XXX
    4. Shore up bullpen – in progress
    5. Tinker with bench – in progress

    Now, without Lee he needs to make some adjustments – but nothing that needs to happen overnight.

  255. pat December 17th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Gaudin to Nats on a minor league deal w/ST invite.

  256. Erin December 17th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    RiverAveBlues The Nationals have signed Chad Gaudin to a MiLB deal with Spring Training invite. We?re saved from more Chad!

  257. Hopdevil December 17th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Feliciano has faced the Philly left-handers and been successful. The thinking is he will be successful against the Sux lefties. The guy is a lefty-specialist – it’s not like the Yanks are pinning all their hopes on the guy. There is no downside to signing him.

    I don’t understand the rush to add players. The only thing that changes between now and a few months from now is that the asking prices go down. There are no FA’s out there that are make or break signings.

    Relievers that are signed for big money and 3+ years have something close to a 95% bust rate. It’s like many posters are effectively saying, “I’d feel better if the Yanks spent some money for the sake of spending it and I don’t care what the actual statistics are – they just get in the way of adding players to the roster.”

  258. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Kerry Wood WANTED to return to the Cubs at ANY cost. Even if it meant $1.5M because he wants to retire there. Simple.

    From the Yankees, he reportedly asked for 2 years and $12M, which for an injury-prone former starter turned reliever, is absurd. You same folks would be grilling Cashman for another bad contract if Wood ended up on the DL again this year, as he has for almost each year of his career.

    Silly. Just silly.

  259. Mell December 17th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    “Who was his prior agent?”

    Someone named John Courtwright with SFX

  260. Erin December 17th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Nick in SF December 17th, 2010 at 11:58 am
    ?Greinke switches his representation. His new agent? Old friend Casey Close.?

    Don?t feel baffled, Greinke is clearly looking towards his post-baseball Hollywood career.

    ******************************

    :lol:

  261. rodg12 December 17th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    If any of the NBA fans here haven’t seen J.R. Smith’s dunk from last night, it’s a must watch…

    http://on.nba.com/gmX075

  262. Betsy December 17th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Chip, that’s true, but maybe that will be the case with Feliciano. 2 years? $9 million? That’s a lot of $$ for a LOOGY.

  263. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Erin December 17th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
    RiverAveBlues The Nationals have signed Chad Gaudin to a MiLB deal with Spring Training invite. We?re saved from more Chad!
    ————————-

    All that means is that he’ll be available again at the trade deadline for the 3rd time should the need arises. Gaudin is our working spare. We just rent him out to keep working.

  264. Betsy December 17th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Chip, believe me, I don’t want the Yankees to panic and make bad moves just so they can say they made moves. Throw $$$$ at Andy and then find some veteran guy to hold down the #5 spot; that’s all the Yankees can do for now.

  265. Nick in SF December 17th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    I am sorry to say that we are in no way saved from more Gaudin.

    As in past years, he will invariably pitch badly enough as a [insert name of new team here] to be readily available to the Yankees later in the season.

  266. Erin December 17th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    BloggingBombers First Chien-Ming Wang, now Chad Gaudin. A lot of familiar names on the Nationals this season for Yankees fans.

  267. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    boston’s talent didn’t win them a WS or AL East Championship last season.
    Phillie’s pitching didn’t win them the NL Championship last season.

    We don’t play the games on paper.

  268. Erin December 17th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    DaSaint-good point. LOL

  269. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Nationals are the AAAA team for the Yankees, much like the Pirates.
    So far Bruney, Wang, and now Gaudin. Good for them – the Nats.

    They’ll love riding the DC-NY Amtrak….

  270. Chip December 17th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Betsy December 17th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
    Chip, believe me, I don’t want the Yankees to panic and make bad moves just so they can say they made moves. Throw $$$$ at Andy and then find some veteran guy to hold down the #5 spot; that’s all the Yankees can do for now.

    —————-

    Throwing money at Andy isn’t an issue. The Yankees will pay Andy the minute he tells them he wants to pitch again. He’s not ready to make that call.

    And they’re looking for a number 5 starter – but as of right now there aren’t any on the FA market who knock my socks off. I’m sure Cashman is looking at trades.

    Just because Heyman, Sherman and Rosenthal don’t have anything to tell us doesn’t mean that things aren’t happening.

  271. Nick in SF December 17th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    DaSaint beat me to it, but it’s at least a tie when you adjust for my Blackberry keyboard.

  272. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Cashman’s Yankees are if nothing else methodical.

    Adding options for the bullpen, yet still looking to make a difference where a difference counts: EIG and/or #4 or #5 starter, depending on what Pettitte does.

    Patience.

  273. Chip December 17th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Betsy -

    As for the Feliciano signing – it was what the market required. Am I thrilled with it? No. Do I think it will adversely impact Cashman’s ability to do other things? No. That’s why I’m not really worried about it.

  274. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Nick, you probably started typing ahead of me. I’ll concede, not a prob! LOL.

  275. Chip December 17th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    Cashman’s Yankees are if nothing else methodical.

    Adding options for the bullpen, yet still looking to make a difference where a difference counts: EIG and/or #4 or #5 starter, depending on what Pettitte does.

    Patience.

    —————-

    It’s true – There’s no reason for Cashman to rush into anything. He can’t think like fans do; he has to be calm and methodical about his business or else the odds of him making a long term mistake are much higher. As in jumping all over Kei Igawa when he missed out on Matsuzaka.

  276. G. Love December 17th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    I think the change in agents and the “he can pitch anywhere) SI article on Greinke are signs he’s going to be dealt and they are going to try to squeeze a big bucks extension out of the new club if they are one of the 15 teams he can block.

    In other words, Montero should be a Royal shortly and we’re going to end up with a 7 year contract extension to Greinke to get him waive the no trade clause to NY.

  277. Patrick December 17th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Feliciano is a good signing. He consistently gives you about 60 innings, 3.00 ERA, tons of strikeouts and he totally neutralizes lefties.

    If the Yankees can re-sign Pettitte and make one more significant move to improve the team (whether that’s trading for a pitcher or an outfielder) I’d be happy with the team going into the season.

    Re-signing Jeter, Mo, Pettitte. Upgrading the catcher and DH position, upgrading the bullpen. That’s a pretty good offseason. It really sucks to lose out on Lee but not all is lost.

  278. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    I’m fine with the dollars for Feliciano.

    I just want Rauch, Fuentes, or Soriano (unlikely) added to this pen.

    Then I want a couple minor league signings with invites to ST for some more options. My personal list for this category incudes Taylor Tanklersley and Jose Veras.

  279. Chip December 17th, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    G. Love December 17th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
    I think the change in agents and the “he can pitch anywhere) SI article on Greinke are signs he’s going to be dealt and they are going to try to squeeze a big bucks extension out of the new club if they are one of the 15 teams he can block.

    In other words, Montero should be a Royal shortly and we’re going to end up with a 7 year contract extension to Greinke to get him waive the no trade clause to NY.

    ———————-

    A Yankee yes – but I don’t think for Montero.

  280. blake December 17th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    I don’t think the Yankees would both trade Montero and agree to a big extension with Greinke. If they dealt for him then I think they would want those 2 years remaining on his deal to act as a trial period to see his he does in the big city.

  281. Mell December 17th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    “In other words, Montero should be a Royal shortly and we’re going to end up with a 7 year contract extension to Greinke to get him waive the no trade clause to NY”

    Wouldn’t be shocking. If not Montero, maybe a couple Killer B’s.

  282. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    If the Yankees are on his no-trade-list, the only way to get him to waive that would be to agree to an extension or some form of bonus. Otherwise it’s not happening, and he can block the trade.

  283. Betsy December 17th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    GLove, the Yankees are not going after Greinke……….I’d be absolutely floored if they traded the farm for an overrated pitcher who is a huge risk in NY.

  284. G. Love December 17th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    I wonder if the Yankees should consider looking into Andruw Jones as the Marcus Thames RH hitting OF’er for next season. He had a .931 OPS vs. lefties last season. Of course he hit .230 for the year though so he doesn’t do much to help the batting average issues we have.

  285. blake December 17th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Patience is a virtue and the Yankees should practice it…..but if they can come up with a package for Greinke that doesn’t include Montero then they should strongly consider it…..the question is whether or not they can.

  286. Bret The Hitman December 17th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Greinke the Yankee

  287. Mike Ri December 17th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    NEW THREAD —- >

  288. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    I would not give him an extension until I saw him perform for a year in NY under the bright lights and media hoars, I mean hoards. Only then would I even contemplate extension.

    So it’s not likely to happen.

  289. Erin December 17th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    New Post: The Yankees spot in the left-handed relief market

    :arrow:

  290. Betsy December 17th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Awful, awful if they trade Montero OR Betances or Banuelos for Greinke. I’ve still no clue why everyone assumes the Yankees are interested in this guy.

  291. Chip December 17th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
    I’m fine with the dollars for Feliciano.

    I just want Rauch, Fuentes, or Soriano (unlikely) added to this pen.

    Then I want a couple minor league signings with invites to ST for some more options. My personal list for this category incudes Taylor Tanklersley and Jose Veras.

    ————————

    I’ll take Rauch and maybe Kevin Gregg.

    Pass on Soriano (no reason to give up a 1st round pick for a guy who won’t be the closer) and pass on Fuentes.

  292. Betsy December 17th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    I don’t want Greinke even if they don’t have to give up Montero………I don’t want him period.

  293. Mell December 17th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    “If they dealt for him then I think they would want those 2 years remaining on his deal to act as a trial period to see his he does in the big city”

    Sure they would, but where would Greinke’s incentive to waive his NTC come from?

  294. blake December 17th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Mell,

    What I mean is that I doubt thy would include Montero AND agree to a long term extension…..too much risk.

  295. Hopdevil December 17th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Blake, on the same hand though it doesn’t seem likely they would trade Montero at this point and only get 2yrs of someone who may or may not thrive in NY.

    Even at 5 or 6 years older the Yanks clearly viewed Lee as a sure thing in NY (in terms of performance).

    Anyway, on Grienke in general: the Joe P article was very good…but even he concludes that no one really knows how Greinke would play in NY. Grienke might like winning enjoy the pressure of the game itself – but there is no doubt he does not like to be in any kind of spotlight. Hell the guy even said fans cheering loudly annoyed him! NY still doesn’t sound like a good fit for him.

    I would hope the Yanks would either trade for a sure thing using blue chip prospects (which is highly, highly, highly unlikely) or an insurance starter using lesser prospects instead of a gamble trade with the blue chippers.

  296. Against All Odds December 17th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Rich in NJ December 17th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Joba has gone from broken in to broken. I just don’t get why he isn’t given a chance to start given the alternative

    ——————————————

    The common belief is that his body won’t hold up starting every 5 days. If that’s the case then why not just come out and say it. The Red Sox did the same thing with Papelbon

  297. bardos December 17th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    My personal opinion is that of course the Yankees are in on Greinke… for the right price. But they are just kicking the tires. That’s what you do when you buy a used car. No matter how attractive it looks, you have to dig up some imperfection, some damage, some flaw to serve as an argument that states: not exactly super interested. Greinke’s supposed “make-up” is one such blemish on the car’s finish.

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