Yankees claim outfielder Parraz off waivers
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 17, 2010 
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A team official confirmed a report from Jon Morosi that the Yankees have added outfielder Jordan Parraz off waivers from Boston.
Parraz never actually played in the Red Sox system. He was claimed off waivers from the Royals last month, and when Boston took him off their 40-man roster, the Yankees grabbed him.
Baseball American ranked Parraz as the Royals No. 19 prospect entering last season. The magazine described him as a “gap-to-gap hitter with below-average usable power.” His best tool is his arm, “which rates as a 70 on the 20-80 scouting scale.” Last year was his first full season in Triple-A, and he hit .266 with 11 home runs and 27 doubles in the hitter-friendly Pacific Coast League.
Nothing to get too worked up about, but the Yankees are thin on outfielders in the upper levels, and a guy like Parraz could play a role similar to what Chad Huffman, Colin Curtis or Greg Golson did this year.
Plus he has a cool last name. Parraz. I don’t even know how to say it, but I like it.
No way I’m trading Betances for Greinke……….I hope he gets traded ASAP so we can move on.
Betsy,
Would you do Betances/Romine/Adams for Greinke?
Would you do Betances/Romine/Adams for Greinke?
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We would but i highly doubt KC would.
“Plus he has a cool last name. Parraz. I don’t even know how to say it, but I like it.”
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Great line!
Looking at these trade offers from the yankee side is compeltely pointless.
The only thing that matters is what KC will accept, not what you are willing to give up.
KC will not accept any of the trade offers in the silly contest either.
Betsy, I cannot believe you are that down on grienke. What’s the worst that could happen?
ac1 – Oh I have no doubt KC would shoot that down. Just wondering how strong the Betances Kool Aid is…
No………..I don’t want Greinke under any circumstances and Betances is untouchable IMO
Benny, I have no desire to trade our best prospects for a guy I don’t believe is suited for NY……and I don’t think he’s a great pitcher anyway
ac1 – Oh I have no doubt KC would shoot that down. Just wondering how strong the Betances Kool Aid is…
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If we were the Red Sox, we could probably get Greinke for Bentances and cool $2 bill.
Not us…
Betsy, would you prefer someone else from the al east get him like the sox or Tampa?
Betsy – Whether you think he is a good pitcher or not, he is.
What can be argued about Greinke that hasnt already been argued to death?
He had one great season, some good seasons. On numbers alone, he isn’t worth 4 prospects.
Excuse me, ID, I didn’t say he’s not a good pitcher…..
Benny, let him go wherever. I’m not interested in the Yankees making bad moves just to block another team from getting him.
Depends which 4. Not Montero IMO…and they might not even want him
He was worth 4 prospects in 2009.
and I don’t think he’s a great pitcher anyway
Betsy, I’ll give you one guess who that is quoting.
I’m hoping the Yankee’s stay on the forefront for Greinke, like Boston did with A-Gon. That way when they finally drop their asking price the Yankee’s will be at the top of the list.
reposted from last thread
heyman – my point is use what you are dealing from strength with – motherbleepin cold hard cash…
i don’t want to hear “he was too expensive for what we were trying to do”
get f’ing soriano at 13 million a year (boras goes for the money he doesn’t give a rats ass if they use soriano to sweep the elephant dung after the circus leaves yankee stadium)..
keep montero and one of the so called killer b’s (who have done nothing in the majors) and tell the royals to pick 4 of the rest and send the maximum allowed amount of cash to them – throw in gardner if you have to..
thats just for warmups..
ID – i get your point but when is just making the playoffs the goal for the yankees?
Not a Great pitcher is not the same as not a good pitcher
I’m hoping the Yankees re-sign Pettitte. Greinke would be nice…but not necessary.
Odds Carpenter becomes available by trade deadline? (Salary dump before Pujols’ free agency)
CNTG – The only goal you can realistically claim is making the playoffs. Anyone telling you there is a difference in the off-season between a playoff team and a world series team is just fooling themselves.
mick – i could get the 25 other quotes of her talking down on greinke, but i think the point was made.
LOL so because I don’t think he’s great it means I don’t think he’s good? Wow.
all this greinke talk is nonsense….if there was a choice of top notch pitchers out there, he would be at the bottom of that list….makes good conversation
CNTG – 13M??? I’m sure he wants to close, not setup. Who else besides the Angels could afford him anyway? Let his price come down before spending crazy money on a setup man.
What makes you think Cash hasn’t offerred KC what you just did? Doesn’t mean they take it.
What reasonable cold hard cash improvement can you make to this team? There aren’t many
heck, cash passed on SANTANA…
No, the point was not made, ID. He’s a good pitcher – but he’s not some super stud. He’s had one all-time year and a couple of good, not great years. If you think saying he’s not great means I don’t think he’s good, then that’s your issue. They’re completely different things.
the question isn’t whether he’s good or great, it’s whether he fits and at what price…
Slow and steady Cash. Slow and steady.
But for Christmas I’d like a new EIG – please.
I’ll take Soriano, but I know that’s not realistic though I’ve been very very good all year.
Ok, maybe not always very very good.
But very good most of the time.
Ok, I’ll take Jon Rauch.
rauch must be asking a boatload
the days of holding us up are over
when cash says they are too expensive, this is his way of convincing other teams that we will not automatically overpay all the time. could help bring down overall costs when people stop getting to use the yankees to drive up costs.
ac1 – absolutely. Yankees overpay when they need to (A-Rod is kinda an exception since no one else would have come close). We overpaid for CC and AJ cause we NEEDED pitching. Would have done the same for Lee. Who out there is worth overpaying for at the moment?
For the hundredth time, Greinke has anxiety problems. He could not handle the pressures of pitching in NY. He would melt.
Cashman should get another pitcher, a #2 preferably. He has chips to trade and will make a move.
heyman –
i guess we see what boras stands for differently –
if the angels offer soriano 10 million for 3 years to close and the yankees offer him 13 million for 5 years to be a part time closer the next 2 years and the MF’ing new york yankee closer the 3 years after that – which offer do you think boras will take?
thats what i mean when i say you use what you have abundance of to get what you need…
this isn’t dumb hick cliff lee and his jilted lover syndrome wanting to go back to the team that dumped his ass for a better pitcher….
re: LOHUD GM Contest – Greinke trade prediction (if NYY don’t get him, nobody gets crowned LOHUD GM)
Entrees so far:
Bret The Hitman December 17th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Jesus Montero + Brett Gardner + Andrew Brackman + Eduardo Nunez
DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
SP/RP: Joba + Inf: Nunez + C: Romine + RP: Brackman
Mike Ri December 17th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Adams + Montero + Gardner + Betances
austinmac December 17th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Montero + Betances + Adams + Nova
BoJo December 17th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Noesi + Heathcott + Laird + Nunez
Tom in N.J. December 17th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Gardner + Nova + Nunez + David Adams + Romine
Carlo December 17th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Montero + Nova + Nunez + Adams
rodg12 December 17th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Betances + Brackman + Nunez + Adams + Heathcott
blake December 17th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Betances + Romine + Brackman + Nunez
38HotDogs December 17th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
Betances + Adams + Heathcott + Phelps
spidanyc December 17th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
Romine + Nova + Phelps + Adams + Laird + Nunez
Montero + Brackman + Nova + Nunez
CNTG -
Regardless of the team, 13M/5yrs for any reliever not named Mariano is insane. And that’s not even a contract you give to Mo. Look at last season – they found a reliable EIG in Wood for eating a couple million in salary. The key is, they didn’t have 4 more years committed to him. Those guys can be found in ways that doesn’t handicap the team going forward.
Of course, it’s easy to spend money like it’s nothing when it’s not yours.
Joba, Betances, Nova, Marshall, Nunez
Bret, is there a deadline to enter GTGTP?
Maybe before Heyman’s first tweet linking him to the NYY?
Before Andy Pettitte signs?
Before Montero swings a bat again in public?
yanks got sean marshall?
Heyman – i really do get where you are coming from – i just don’t agree with it..
i just don’t feel comfortable with these “catching lightning in a bottle” signings – mark prior, fish and tarpen, sisco and the other 4 schnooks they signed, the loser they just got from the redsox (parraz) since when did the yankees care if they overpaid someone for an extra year?
Hell just look at the pavano, giambi and igawa deals? so lets say soriano at 13 mill for 5 years is 2 years too long and 3 million too much – thats 35 million dollars wasted – how much did they waste on the 3 guys above? and lets say soriano is the key for them to win 1 or 2 Ws in the next 5 years (and he sucks the other 3 years ala damaso marte) – thats isn’t worth overpaying him? they just overpaid jeter 10 million dollars a year for 3 years…overpaying is what they do if they think that player will make the difference…
god knows fish, sisco, prior and parraz ain’t the solution….
Before the Kraft Fights Hunger Bowl on January 9?????
Nick in SF,
Deadline?
I’ll give it 3 days, through Dec. 19 2010.
Why is everyone so sure of the RS, but, so down on the Yankees.
The RS added 2 bats, after losing 2 bats. Look at these numbers and ask yourself again, how much did the RS improve, the answer, not much.
A-Gon: BA .298, OBP .393, OPS .904, OPS+ 152, SLG .511, HR 31
Crawford: BA .307, OBP .356, OPS .851, OPS+ 134, SLG .495, HR 19
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Martinez: BA .302, OBP .351, OPS .844, OPS+ 122, SLG .493, HR 20
Beltre: BA .321, OBP .365, OPS .919, OPS+ 141, SLG .553, HR 28
The RS have to hope A-Gon comes back from surgery and is as productive as before, and he learns the AL pitchers, which are tougher than the NL pitchers he’s use to facing, quickly enough.
With Crawford you have to hope he can continue to put up the same career numbers he did in 2010.
Add to this the fact the RS are not strong in SP 3-5, and they no longer look like the giants some here are trying to paint them.
Will the RS be a good team, yes. Are they that much better than last year, IMO, very little.
Brackman + Joba + Heathcott + Nunez
Re: Greinke + Montero
So far it seems most fans (by a slight margin) predict we can get Greinke without surrendering Montero. It’s close though…
CNTG – I certainly don’t think the Yankees and their near-infinite resources should resign themselves to this being a “lost” offseason. I’m sure there are deals to be made besides the small ones they have had so far. I just think it’s a little early to be hyper critical of Cashman. You’d like to think there were backup plans in case Lee signed elsewhere – but backup plans are backups for a reason. There was no solution as ideal as simply signing Lee for straight cash. It wasn’t like Felix Hernandez was just going to fall into their lap.
They’ll make a few more moves, but even if all they do is re-sign Pettitte, this is going to be a competitive team, and will likely reach the playoffs at least.
The bullpen is almost fixed. Still need another steady RH which could be Jon Rauch. Andrew Brackman could emerge as mid-season help after some time at AAA.
Still need a reliable No. 3 starter and Andy to return. Burnett’s weighty contract makes him a top project for Larry Rothschild to make him a decent No. 5 starter.
Jeff Keppinger would be ideal as a utility IF and used to spell Jeter and A-Rod in late innings and some occasional starts. He shouldn’t require any high level talent in the farm system.
King Felix would look very good in pinstripes. Montero + Hughes + Joba and Nova. Gotta give a lot to get a lot.
Let’s hope Cashman can make a deal that will impact the team in a very positive way, and very soon.
ST is right around the corner.
I predict Aceves will sign a MiLB contract, and be back in shape to join the club by July the latest.
AL
You got word from Ace?
My point is not that humberto sanchez and betances are similar pitchers, my point is that prospects are often fawned over by fans and scouts and never even make the majors. Sanchez got rave reviews……and nothing materialized.
overpaying is what they do if they think that player will make the difference…
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Doesn’t that answer your question?
Still need a reliable No. 3 starter and Andy to return.
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Wouldn’t that be Andy/Phil?
mick -
Let’s just say I’ve spoken with him, but I’m not free to share everything we discussed.
Got to go, catch you all later.
Let’s just say I’ve spoken with him, but I’m not free to share everything we discussed.
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AL
Looks like you just did
Trading a starter to add a starter does not help us. Trading hughes to add a starter, regardless of who said starter is, is not optimal at all. Trading a guy who is cost controlled for many years and makes 32 starts for another guy who is under control for a shorter period and makes 32 starts is not ideal.
Carlo-
After a few clunkers from AJ, you might think differently.
If the Cubs are willing, AJ for Zambrano is salary for salary, only way to trade him, addition by subtraction.
Mick – did Al speak to cashman or aceves. I’m more excited about a trade that will be very positive than I am about aceves returning from major back surgery for july.
Betances + Romine + Nova + Nunez
# BIG AL December 17th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
Let’s hope Cashman can make a deal that will impact the team in a very positive way, and very soon.
ST is right around the corner.
I predict Aceves will sign a MiLB contract, and be back in shape to join the club by July the latest.
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Carlo
BIG AL has spoken.
Mick – I think AJ is better than Zambrano……strictly speaking, as a pitcher only, I prefer AJ to Zambrano.
I doubt Zambrano is as erratic as AJ.
Mick – excuse me for being naïve, but is Big Al a known insider? I’m not being disrespectful, I just don’t know whether Big Al is authority or a web personality.
At least Zambrano seems to have competitive fire, something AJ lacks.
Needless to say, AJ does not fare well under adversity.
Big Al is friendly with Aceves.
Gotcha – thanks. I love Ace, but back injuries are miserable. I’m hopeful Big Al has a read on that trade he referenced. Do u take anything from that comment?
Did Aceves get back surgery? I know he had surgery for his collar bone but hadn’t heard anything about his back getting operated on.
Do u take anything from that comment?
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no
This is what I think it takes to Greinke;
Montero, Nova, Betances, Nunez and Adams.
why would they give all that up when better suited pitchers will be available in time.
Yogi :
Aceves fell off a bike and futher injured himself. If he comes back at all, it won’t be until late in the season.
G. Love,
Got it.
108 stitches, I knew about his collar bone from the bike fall, and that led to him needing surgery for it, one of the earlier posts mentioned him having major back surgery, which I hadn’t heard anything about. That was what I was asking.
I know he had back problems all last season, but the talk was no surgery as far as I could remember. At least at this time.
108 stitches -
Not so, after surgery Alfredo needed 4-6 weeks of recovery, or by mid February. He’ll be about 4 weeks behind, due to a lack of throwing in the off season. He should be ready to throw normal by April, and will need some work in AAA to get in season shape. He’ll be ready by July, or earlier.
G. Love, not saying that your prediction for what it would take to Greinke would be is wrong, I have no idea, but that seems like quite a lot to give for him, and I wouldn’t be wild about seeing that much – especially Montero added – going to KC for him. Let’s hope if they do trade for him, which I’m not convinced they are, that it doesn’t cost that much.
Big Al, it was just for the collar bone that he had that surgery, right? He didn’t have back surgery?
Yogi – that was me re aceves back surgery. Maybe I am mistaken, but they himmed and hawed about him getting back surgery for a few months last year. Then he got a few epidurals or something and finally they thought he could avoid surgery. After the accident, for some reason I thought he was getting the back surgery. But maybe I am mistaken. Apologies if so.
Betsy–
Last year…in a down year for him, Greinke went 10-14 with a 4.17 ERA.
But if you examine his game log and assume he played with the Yankees, he would have been 20-12. That assumes he got an average of 4 runs to work with. It doesn’t take into account how many runs the Yankee defense would have saved. KC defense was weak comparatively and certainly tacked on runs to his ERA and hurt his record.
Look at his game log yourself and tell me he isn’t an elite pitcher.
http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2010
mick December 17th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Still need a reliable No. 3 starter and Andy to return.
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Wouldn’t that be Andy/Phil?
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CC – Phil – Andy – Zambrano or Greinke – Burnett.
A straight up deal of Burnett for Zambrano gives the Cubs about $2M of salary relief. Zambrano is 3+years younger than Burnett. Greinke costs prospects.
As said before, any Zambrano deal hinges on what Rothschild does or doesn’t convince Cashman of.
Make Nova or Noesi the No. 5 starter if Burnett is gone.
Alfredo did not, nor does he need major back surgery.
Carlo – Please stop spreading rumors that Alfredo had major back surgery. He is at his parents home in Mexico for the holidays, and is recovery well from the clavicle surgery on his left, non-pitching, side.
Yankees should make Ace a starter. Assuming he comes back.
RMS December 17th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
For the hundredth time, Greinke has anxiety problems. He could not handle the pressures of pitching in NY. He would melt.
Cashman should get another pitcher, a #2 preferably. He has chips to trade and will make a move.
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Are you a medical professional with first hand knowledge of his ailment, or are you just expressing a layman’s opinion without any knowledge of it?
Al – see my post below. I would never spread rumors like that. I was mistaken and got upset when I saw he wasn’t tendered because he needed surgery and I didn’t put the accident into the equation, just assumed it was the back. U can see my post below that I feel bad about not looking into that further.
BIG AL December 17th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
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Excellent point. While the names are sexier, they made themselves more vulnerable to LHP in a play-off series. For example, the As might take them out in 3 games with their staff.
Crazy things happen in baseball.
re: Blockbuster Trades
So far the Yankees have added Russell Martin, which puts them in a better position to field offers for Jesus Montero.
They’re targeting Jeff Keppinger, which could mean Eduardo Nunez is being shopped.
They’ve been linked to Rafael Soriano, which means Joba Chamberlain could be dealt.
Girardi has stated that this team needs another starter. If Pettitte comes back, Nova could be dealt.
Perhaps not coincidentally, the names Montero + Joba + Nova + Nunez were leaked in trade negotiations involving Cliff Lee and Danny Haren at the trade deadline.
Adams was leaked too.
G. Love’s package has all those players going for Greinke except Betances in the place of the native Nebraskan.
Cashman wanted two loogy’s — he got them in Logan and Feliciano. Still need an 8th inning guy to replace Wood and a starting pitcher.
May I remind everyone that all these prospects everyone is so high on may not be worth a damn in the big leagues. One of the reasons you build a farm system and develop players is to have trade chips on hand. I’ll take someone relatively young who has proven themselves in the show over a “might be good” anytime. Of course there are exception, some being better than others like Montero.
I had to trade Greinke from my fantasy team early on, because the guy would pitch beautifully and then the bullpen would blow the win almost every time (before it got to Soria). It was very frustrating to watch.
Trades are like huge puzzels, you need all the pieces to fit before you can complete it.
Cashman can’t just pull the trigger on deals, without knowing the impact those trades will have on other position, or needs of the team. He simply can’t trade his starting OF, unless he has another piece to fill that gap that is as good, or better, than what he gives up.
If being a GM was as easy as we make here on the blog, we’d all have great jobs in baseball.
Bret-
Was out for awhile. Joba, Heathcott, Nunez and Cervelli for Greinke, but in all honesty I’d rather have Soria.
Al – hope u got a chance to read my comments on Ace’s back. Feel bad about that.
WCYF -
That’s correct, that’s why GM’s put more value on proven talant than on prospects, one has proven he can perform at the ML level, the other you only think one day he might. This is one reason Cashman gave up Jackson for Granderson.
Carlo -
All’s good.
Bret,
My final trade proposal:
Joba, Betances, Romine and Nunez for Greinke.
Bret-
Look over Greinke’s situational stats and tell me if you’re still into trading for him?
Granted he had poor run support, but his ERA was awful in September.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/p.....010/390851
WCYF – ur point is not at all lost on me and I firmly agree. That said, I do think Nova, having shown flashes of quality at the major league level, can be attractive to KC in a deal.
Yankee Trader,
Got it.
SJ44,
Got it.
SJ44 -
I’d do that trade in a second, but, will KC.
So far the Yankees have added Russell Martin, which puts them in a better position to field offers for Jesus Montero.
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That could be looked at another way.
He got Martin as a stopgap for 1 or 2 years until Montero is ready.
Carpenter might be better suited to pitch here next year or in a deadline trade to free up Puljos money. By then we might know more about Montero and be more apt to trade him.
Don’t understand the urgency some have to trade off your top prospect.
Yankee Trader – I don’t sit here pretending Greinke is Bob Gibson, but we can’t underestimate his talent. Another thing we can’t dismiss is where he played. U bring up his september numbers…..what exactly was he playing for in September in KC? What’s he playing for from May on usually? Playing for a losing team makes it difficult to bring it every 5 days. Its discouraging. Especially when u pitch ur tail off and still lose more often then not.
Mick,
Nothing has changed really. Back at the deadline, the Yankees were willing to trade Montero for a much needed #2 starter behind CC.
Now that Lee is gone, I think the Yankees are still willing to trade Montero for that #2 behind CC.
The Yankees were even willing to trade Montero for 3 months extra of Lee so I think it’s fair to say they’d be interested in doing the same for 2 extra years of Zack Greinke.
SJ44 -
I’d do that trade in a second, but, will KC.
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Nope. Which is why this exercise is pointless. It is doubtful that KC will settle for any package unless it includes 1 or 2 from the group of Montero, Hughes, Banuelos.
mick -
Is Carpenter an FA next year? If so, where are the cards going to get enough money to retain him, and sign Albert.
I’d be surprised if they even tried, so it might benefit them to trade him by the deadline, to get some talent back. That’s when Cashman can make his big move.
Joba, Betances, Romine and Nunez for Greinke.
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SJ
Do you think Betances has more upside than Nova?
Guys – the way we view prospects of our own is largely based on what national media scouts, our own scouts, and our own posters say about them.
Fact is, all that matters is what KC’s scouts see in them. For all we know, Brackman may be the guy they want most.
I can’t believe raphael soriano is asking for a 4-5 year deal.
Carlo-
You’ve got a point, however his June ERA was 4.81, the 2nd worst month.
Look over his situational stats and see if he’s worth what some are proposing.
Patrick December 17th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
SJ44 -
I’d do that trade in a second, but, will KC.
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Nope. Which is why this exercise is pointless. It is doubtful that KC will settle for any package unless it includes 1 or 2 from the group of Montero, Hughes, Banuelos.
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Pretty much the same thing people said about Minnesota’s GM when he decided to move Santana.
Unless you are Moore’s assistant, you have no insight into what will happen.
Do you think Betances has more upside than Nova?
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Betances has A LOOOT more upside than Nova. Nova’s upside is #4 starter. Betances’ upside is becoming an ace #1 starter
Unless you are Moore’s assistant, you have no insight into what will happen.
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Well I am Moore’s assistant so there you go
Big Al, thanks for the info on Alfredo. I liked what he brought to the club and really enjoyed watching him pitch. He has a great presence about him, unflappable.
I’m glad he is doing well and hope he returns to the pinstripes.
Carlo, when I saw your post about back surgery, I just wondered if I had missed something. Back surgery is never a certain thing. Its why you would try doing whatever you can to avoid it. A friend had back surgery and while he is more comfortable than he had been before, he has not been able to move anything close to normal.
Al, yes, I agreed with the Jackson for Granderson trade but admit to being a bit disappointed in his first year in pinstripes. Hopefully, the better performance after the K. Long sessions in August will continue in 2011 and it was just an adjustment thing.
Carlo, good point on Nova, for a first look he did show he has the stuff to get major league hitters out and could be a semi-valuable trade component.
Selling high is a tricky thing for a GM; and it’s not that easy to know when that moment in time is. Joba unfortunately, is a good example of not doing so. We are loaded pitching and catching wise in the minors with highly-rated players who being cost controlled for a long while should have appeal. I’m sure Cashman is looking at a deal for a pitcher. I have to believe that.
Patrick – what makes you say that about Betances? I’m glad to hear it and have heard it before, but why is it the case?
OK folks, I’ll catch you all later.
AL
Team option for Carpenter in 2012 for 15m.
You could be right about a deadline deal this summer, he will be 36.
re: LOHUD GM contest – Zack Greinke trade prediction
18 entrees so far
12 predict NYY can get Greinke without including Jesus Montero
Only 6 predict NYY would have to include Jesus Montero
I can’t believe raphael soriano is asking for a 4-5 year deal.
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Carlo, I can, mainly because of the deals that have been handed out this winter. The offer of 7 years to Lee seemed to set the bar high for relievers to be getting multi-year deals. Soriano is good, so his asking for that long doesn’t seem that out of line from what this year has been netting for the players.
Patrick – what makes you say that about Betances? I’m glad to hear it and have heard it before, but why is it the case?
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He’s big, he’s young, he has great stuff.
Yogi – I’m pissed at myself re the back surgery. Thrilled to have been clarified on that issue. I was just so sure from last may on that one day I would get the news he needed surgery that when I saw he was getting it I just assumed. Like Marte for example with the shoulder…..getting checkups, feeling cranky, weakness in it, etc…..then shoulder surgery.
All we can go by is what KC GM Moore said…
They want two high-impact prospects — preferably a starting pitcher and a middle infielder or center fielder — and two prospects capable of playing a supporting role for a total of four players.
the players the Royals receive would have to be cornerstones of their organizational effort to contend in 2012 and beyond (meaning they may not want players entering arbitration (Hughes and Joba).
This is direct from KC source
http://www.kansascity.com/2010.....t-for.html
NOWHERE is Moore talking about the need for a C, 1B, or DH (Montero or Romine). He knows what he wants and is trying to match up with a team to get it.
LOHUD GM contest – Zack Greinke trade prediction:
* Yankees can not get Greinke without Montero.
* Yankees will not trade for Greinke under any circumstances.
(hope I am wrong, would love him on the staff!)
Carlo, read this about Betances: http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/0.....-betances/
Cano, Sabathia, Hughes, and Melky Mesa for Greinke
Going out on a limb with this one.
Yeah Yog – ur right. Its unreal. I guess my shock has less to do with the market and more to do with what teams remain in the closer market who would be willing to spend $40mm plus on a closer via scott boras. If he wants 4 to 5, he’ll likely get 4…..and it won’t be for less than 10 per.
Patrick December 17th, 2010 at 6:21 pm
Unless you are Moore’s assistant, you have no insight into what will happen.
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Well I am Moore’s assistant so there you go
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Can you get us all tickets to the game at YS when the Royals visit?
Pretty please?!
One of the biggest problems with getting Soriano in my mind is that the Yanks will be handing Tampa another first round pick at the same time as paying a hefty sum of money. Him and Mo would be a great combination as long as they both stay healthy but to pay a guy 10 million over 3-4 years and allow Tampa to maybe draft the next Carl Crawford would hurt.
Pat – thanks for the link. I have read that before. I guess, to me, the leap from where he is in his development to the major leagues is still so great that I never feel comfortable projecting top of the rotation success.
Carlo, I understand where you were coming from on that Aceves issue. It happens. I know his back was giving him tons of trouble through the whole last season, so its not like it was out of the realm of possibility.
Tyler, that package seems a bit light to land Greinke. lol. Probably better throw in Granderson and Swisher instead of Melky Mesa.
For the same 26m Yanks could try for Soria, but doubt they’d pay that for a setup man, although his contract is for 4 years and would get a bargain those last 2 years if he’s the closer.
How about Gardner and Nunez for starters?
Betances should not be traded.
Also why is everyone so in love with Greinke ? The guy hasn’t proven that much. I doubt he can handle New York and I dobut he can handle the postseason.
Jeremy
If they passed on Santana they will pass on Greinke.
Yogi-
I just really wanted to reunite our favorite Melkys in KC. I’m sure Moore will understand and take him before Swisher. It would be a revenue boom.
“Are you a medical professional with first hand knowledge of his ailment, or are you just expressing a layman’s opinion without any knowledge of it?”
Expressing a layman’s opinion. But it is known Greinke has anxiety issues. The questions are-
Is it under control?
Does he want to pitch in high pressure situations in NY? In KC there is no pressure.
Jeremy – tough to say a recent cy young winner “hasn’t proven that much”. He has proven to be one of the best pitchers in the AL in the past few years.
The difference between last year’s winter signings and this year have been huge. Some of that was driven by Werth’s signing, then everybody seemed to jump on board with all the offers this year.
Even Pena getting 10 million for hitting under .200 was mind boggling to me. It just seems the contracts are over priced for most of these players, yet Wood takes a 1.5 million deal and it make you – HUH???? Some of the costs were due to the low number of higher impact players, but its going to make trades more expensive as well.
If they passed on Santana they will pass on Greinke.
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Who on the FA market are they going to pass on him for?
Betances + Noesi + Nunez + Romine + Chip (KC’s new mascot and also special assistent to Dayton Moore)
Posnanskis article on Greinke should be required reading before posting anything about him.
Tyler… like Got Melky and More Melky? lol.
Who on the FA market are they going to pass on him for?
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Carpenter could be available at the deadline.
You know where Kansas City is?
It’s in Missouri.
You know what town is only 441 miles from Kansas City?
Lincoln, Nebraska.
You know who is a huge fan of the Bruce Springsteen album “Nebraska”?
Wait, wrong tangent.
You know what Yankee is from somewhere near Lincoln, Nebraska?
And do you know which same Yankee would look great in those Royal blue unis?
(Trick question, any player would look great in those Royal blue unis)
There is no Greinke package that doesn’t include Joba Chamberlian.
LGY,
You want some of these knuckleheads to read?
Like that’s gonna happen…
Joba, Gardner, Nunez and??? for Soria?
LGY – after reading posnanski, what’s ur view on any trade for greinke?
Nick in SF,
Nebraskans all root for the KC Royals because the AAA affiliate is Omaha.
Carpenter turns 36 in April and if the Cardinals are in the race they won’t trade him.
“I like you, kid. You’ve got parraz.”
carlo
greinke comes across as a flake in that article….had trouble dealing with reporters question, imagine that in NY?
Mick – st louis shouldn’t be a seller at the deadline. They have a good team. We can’t assume they will be dead and selling come July.
Carpenter turns 36 in April and if the Cardinals are in the race they won’t trade him.
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Let’s hope they’re not then.
Carlo
Yes He did win a Cy young and he has been one of the best pitchers in the game but the guy has proven nothing on the big stage and if you look back at the anxiety issues, and the fact that he said a while ago that he can’t handle large markets creates a lot of doubt.
Do you know how many “Los Latino Leches” shirts they can sell? Melky has to be included in the trade.
carlo
don’t forget it frees up puljos money
Yogi-
the possibilities are endless. Plus, with Francouer, The Royals can market the only team to have 2 OF’s strike out 300 times in a season in history (Mesa being the other one).
carlo,
I have always really liked Greinke. When I was mad about losing to Lee in the ALCS I posted here that I would rather the Yankees trade Montero + for Greinke than sign Lee and use the saved money to improve in other areas.
Since then I have backed off, because I really don’t want to trade Montero.
If Montero or Banuelos are kept out of the deal I am pretty much open to anything. I am a huge Gardner fan and don’t like trading players who are on the big club because it creates holes, but I would include Gardner if I had to.
I would rather have Soria than Greinke..
KC doesn’t need a 1B/DH type, nor a C. They are covered at both. We can get it done without Jesus.
Jobs, Betances, Nunez, Nova, and Warren.
carlo,
Oh and that article just made me want him more.
Jeremy – I don’t disagree with u as to whether he can make it here……but the talent is tough to question.
I can’t believe raphael soriano is asking for a 4-5 year deal.
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Whatever the market will bear as evidenced by the Crawford, Werth, and Downs signings plus what Beltre will sign for. On the flip side, Lee and Wood signing for less than expected.
All this with a down economy and a mostly weak free agent class.
mick,
You would rather have a set up guy than a legit #2 pitcher who has Ace level talent?
It really would not be surprising if Greinke came over and pitched better than CC as he did in 2009.
Greinke has postseason bust written all over his forehead. If he can’t handle reporters in the clubhouse then I can’t see him handling the postseason pressure.
If Cashman made a move for Greinke and Monetro and Betances turn into stars then he should just resign.
LGY – I’m on my blackberry but look forward to reading it when I get in front of a computer.
lgy
soria is a bridge to mariano and the closer in 2 years…yes
Carlo
I agree the talent is there. But I question his mentality and his toughness.
A long line of losers like Javy, Kevin Brown, Carl Pavano, and so on were mentally weak. If Greinke came to the Yankees I would hope for the best but I have my doubts.
Guys – its really hard to take media relations and ability to pitch in the postseason as the same thing.
Aj burnett – great with media, bad pitcher, came up huge in postseason
Randy johnson – media mess, won a world series mvp
David wells – bad with media, great october pitcher
It isn’t as easy as people make it out to be……we should have learned that when burnett won the key game of the 2009 title season….ws game 2.
Pavano was buttucks-ily weak.
hardwired7 December 17th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
“I like you, kid. You’ve got parraz.”
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Imagine a writer interviewing him after making a diving catch in a spring training game and saying, “Tell ya what kid, that was a catch that showed panache” !. Then watch him walk away scratching his head.
Jeremy – the guys u mention were flops in NY and weren’t mentally tough……but every pitcher who did well in NY weren’t necessarily mentall strong, they just got the job done so it didn’t come into question.
Its easy to say johnson and brown and javy weren’t mentally tough enough……but we can also say two of them were old, at the end of their careers, and all 3 appeared to be or were physically injured.
I’m not arguing with ur point on greinke at all, but its too broad a brush to paint. What I know of greinke is that he is an elite pitcher, a front end guy, who is now reported to be sick of losing and ready to leave. There are pitchers who prefer to be great in low pressure situations all their careers…..I can argue those guys aren’t mentally tough…..but greinke seems to want more by insinuating he wants to go to a competitor.
Winning teams tend to play in tough media hubs…..ny, boston, philly, even chicago.
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