Yankees give back, plus some notes and links
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 17, 2010 
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Good work by the Yankees, who hosted their Bronx Winter Wonderland event this afternoon in the Great Hall of Yankee Stadium. The team gave toys to approximately 5,000 children from the Bronx community. The event also included food, plenty of Christmas decorations and caroling from the Bronx-based Renaissance EMS (Education through Music and Sports). Mattel donated 2,000 toys, and the Yankees spent $25,000 on additional toys for the kids.
Good stuff. And on to some notes and links for the day.
• Zack Greinke apparently wants out of Kansas City. FOX Sports reports that he’s asked the Royals to trade him, and the Royals have discussed trade possibilities with multiple teams. Today Greinke also changed agents, signing with Casey Close, who represents Derek Jeter.
• Chad Gaudin has landed with the Nationals, agreeing to a minor league deal.
• Apparently the deal between Dennys Reyes and the Phillies is off.
• Apparently the trade between the Padres and Rays is back on. Jason Bartlett being traded to San Diego was reported during the Winter Meetings, but getting it finalized took a while.
• The top position player still on the market is Adrian Beltre, and the Angels have reportedly made a “significant” offer.
• Kerry Wood’s signing is official, and he acknowledged that his offseason was all about rejoining the Cubs. “It’s never been about the money,” Wood said. “It’s about being home and being here at Wrigley, which is home for me.”
So Lee goes for less money and Wood just wants to be home and signs for less. Isn’t that nice? The Yankees had Mo looking for a move to Boston if he didn’t get paid, Jeter hated the negoiation process and is bitter about recieveing the above market contract he got and the rumors are Andy may come back but definitely doesn’t want to be insulted with his contract. Uhhhh.
Anyway, looks like Zack’s on the move, but may be too many questions on both sides for him to come here. It would be one extreme or another, huge move or disaster, no in between
Greinke would take the mound at Yankee Stadium and melt down like those Nazi cats did in the first Indiana Jones movie when they opened up the Arc of the Covenant.
Or else, he’d be a good #3 behind CC and Andy.
There is no way he would be a number 3. Not on any staff except Philly.
Round 2:
Yankees and Rangers have to be in the Greinke race, just as they were for Lee.
Round 1 was won by a dark horse though. Totally stealth. We’ll see if Cashman goes in guns blazing, dropping the M-word, or tries to nibble around the edges with lesser names.
I think if that no-trade-clause gets altered, and if no extension is granted, KC will get one set of names.
If an extension were to be granted, they’ll get a more robust set of names.
Jeter got paid handsomely and more then he is worth. What is this idea that he got insulted? Maybe some of the comments were uncalled for and got leaked to the media. But he got a very good contract.
fran-chyze : Lee did not go for less money – he’ll make more over the life of his contract than he would have for 5 years as a Yankee, yes? Jeter doesn’t seem bitter about anything. So Wood wanted to go back to the team he’s played with most of his career. Hell, Lee probably doesn’t see himself pitching beyond five years anyway.
Yankee fans are freakin’ self-flagellating hairshirt-wearing ridiculous members of the human race.
I’m wondering if G-Kee comes to NY, will the Yankees will take out an insurance policy in case he has a relapse on his social anxiety disorder and/or decides to walk away again.
Sweet Swinging Cano,
can’t wait until Cano asks for a 160 million dollar contract
LOL well Cano if he keeps his play up will probably get it.
sweet-swinger – he has a lifetime ERA over 3.5 and these are the New York Yankees. I’d give a nod to CC and Andy, being who they are, taking up the first 2 slots, but I appreciate your input.
And I’ve been a card-carrying member of Yankee fandom since CBS owned them and Horace Clarke was choking up waaaay too much.
Well just think it is good that guys don’t go for the last dollar so good for Lee and Wood. Just not sure why our guys create such a fuss and want every last dollar above market here. They have just become way too accustomed to the Yankees overpaying. And Arod’s massive deal sitting out there doesn’t help as a comparison for the rest.
Sevrox, just saying you are underrating him. CC is our number one no question. I would slot Greinke right behind him if he was dealt here.
Triple Short of a Cycle December 17th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Sweet Swinging Cano,
can’t wait until Cano asks for a 160 million dollar contract
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2014-2019: He’ll probably ask for a 6 year contract @ $25+M AAV/year.
I’m making sure my son plays baseball. Imagine how much they’ll make in 18 years.
Mind boggling.
I think players need to appreciate what it means to play for the Yankees.
If Grienke was dealt here and could deal with the environment he slots into the #2 slot. I believe he has said in the past he had no interest pitching here in his own words. Now they say he is open to it. I doubt the Yankees will give the prospects it would take to get him with the uncertainty around him. He’s a heck of a pitcher, but he has yet to pitch consistently in a big market, has pitched in zero games that actually count and his anxiety disorder. The Yankees did draft his brother so maybe they can get some inside info from him. Having CC takes pressure off everyone as well so he doesn’t have to be the #1 guy here.
Greinke may have said that in the past. Things change.
Also he is 27 years old. He is just scratching the surface. It took him awhile to get it together.
DaSaint007 December 17th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Triple Short of a Cycle December 17th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Sweet Swinging Cano,
can’t wait until Cano asks for a 160 million dollar contract
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2014-2019: He’ll probably ask for a 6 year contract @ $25+M AAV/year.
I’m making sure my son plays baseball. Imagine how much they’ll make in 18 years.
Mind boggling.
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I’d enroll your son right now into a babe ruth type league for future agents.
I would love to trade for Greinke, but only if the price is right. Hughes, Montero, Grandy, Gardner, and Swish are all untouchable in my opinion.
Final word from me tonight…
CC, ZG, and AP shut down the Red Sox in a play-off series. That is all you need to know when considering the deal…when on, Greinke’s slider/change combo is brutal against LHers
Hughes, Nova, and Burnett don’t get it done…
The problem is i dont know if they get it done without Montero. Alot of people are in love with Betances, Banuelos etc. They wont just give him away.
Wow, huge news, someone didn’t want to play for the Phillies. lol.
I would be willing to give up something like Betances, Romine, Nunez, and Nova for Greinke. If the Royals want more than that, I wouldn’t trade for him.
I agree Dylan. I think that is a pretty fair deal. But who knows. I am not one for hugging every prospect.
BoJo December 17th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
Final word from me tonight…
CC, ZG, and AP shut down the Red Sox in a play-off series. That is all you need to know when considering the deal…when on, Greinke’s slider/change combo is brutal against LHers
Hughes, Nova, and Burnett don’t get it done…
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I think Hughes gets it done.
Giving up Hughes defeats the purpose in my opinion.
Could Greinke change the list of teams he can’t be traded to now? Its a partial NTC, and some of the teams that aren’t blocked could make a run for him and he wouldn’t have much to be able to stop it.
Interesting that he requested a trade. I wonder if that request came with a list of teams he would find acceptable.
Tough night tonight. I just found out a young man I had worked with and known since he was 5 years old committed suicide. Its just so incredibly sad.
I don’t see any sense in trading Hughes for Greinke. It doesn’t solve the problem of having enough in the rotation. I also question how much an upgrade overall that would be, if any.
It would be nice if Andy decides to come back. That would be a tremendous help for the rotation.
I am very sorry to hear that. My condolences.
Yogi Mantle ,
Very sorry to hear. Hope the family, yourself and all those involved find comfort and peace.
I know that Grienke has some issues, but I would make a very strong offer for him. He has great talent and has not yet reached his prime. He is one of the top pitchers in baseball. Guys like him do not become available that often. Pitching wins.
That is right Chambliss.
I think that we hype up our prospects a lot at times. I don’t understand why so many people wouldn’t trade a 22 year old who has never done anything at the Major League level, for a 27 year old that just won the Cy Young a year ago, but thats just me.
I agree Dylan. Greinke has won a cy young. Some of these so called studs will never be close to him.
Agreed. Its very doubtful that any of them will be on his level. But even if they one or two of them do becomes studs, it won’t be for another 3-4 years at the earliest. This is not a small market team that needs to develop all of its talent. You would think we were the Rays or something. If we need pitching in a couple years, then we will sign or trade for another pitcher. Plus, Greinke can be an effective pitcher for the next 7-10 years. Its not like we would be trading away great prospects for a rental player.
Dylan, I’m with you on that one. I just want to get him to get the rangers back from taking cliff lee from us.
I don’t want to get my hopes up.
deeply sorry…
now don’t feel so much like commenting and reading. sorry,sorry for yr loss.
Dylan December 17th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
Agreed. Its very doubtful that any of them will be on his level. But even if they one or two of them do becomes studs, it won’t be for another 3-4 years at the earliest. This is not a small market team that needs to develop all of its talent. You would think we were the Rays or something. If we need pitching in a couple years, then we will sign or trade for another pitcher. Plus, Greinke can be an effective pitcher for the next 7-10 years. Its not like we would be trading away great prospects for a rental player
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You’re assuming that the yankees will be able to sign Greinke after two years.
Benny Blanco,
Revenge is always nice lol.
Thanks for the condolences.
Its just so hard to understand how a young man of 22 who has so much promise can’t find the means to cope with his problems. It breaks my heart to remember the first time I met him and applauding his accomplishments through all the subsequent years.
# GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
Dylan December 17th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
Agreed. Its very doubtful that any of them will be on his level. But even if they one or two of them do becomes studs, it won’t be for another 3-4 years at the earliest. This is not a small market team that needs to develop all of its talent. You would think we were the Rays or something. If we need pitching in a couple years, then we will sign or trade for another pitcher. Plus, Greinke can be an effective pitcher for the next 7-10 years. Its not like we would be trading away great prospects for a rental player
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You’re assuming that the yankees will be able to sign Greinke after two years.
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Thats true. I would try to sign him to a long term deal before he became a free agent though.
Yogi Mantle – I am so very sorry to hear that.
people need to remember that if we trade for ZG and he imploded in NY he will still have huge trade value later.. simple really and very much worth the risk!
GreenBeret -
True, but it is very possible that Greinke will use his no trade clause to negotiate a contract beyond his current deal. I would actually expect him to do just that.
There is definitely risk involved – but he is definitely a very good, young, established starter. I wouldn’t trade the farm for him; but by the same token, nobody should expect KC to take less than at least one elite prospect mixed with second and third tier guys.
I would guess that Zack Grienke is looking at the Rangers, Angels, and Yankees (with maybe the Nationals thrown in); ie, the losers of the Cliff Lee race. He sees this as an opportunity to cash in.
Angels really don’t need pitching.
Nationals are always looking to make a splash, but does their farm have the talent?
Yankees may have the chips (I don’t think Montero is a chip, though), but does he want to come to NY–the wife, however, looks like she would be pure NY or LA, so that’s a plus.
Rangers, however, would be the favorite–less spotlight, wife was a former Dallas Cowboys cheerleader, also have the trade chips, the $$$, and the interest.
My vote says Texas.
People, people. This deal starts with Hughes and includes Montero and one other high-ceiling prospect. Our over-hyped AA prospects don’t have the value to bring a stud like ZG.
Shake your head, people.
Yogi Mantle- I’m really sorry to hear about that. My condolences go out to his family and friends.
Sadly you may be right.
I don’t think that trading Hughes and Montero necessarily makes us better this year though. Huges won 18 games for us, and I think that Montero will be our starting catcher by the end of the season. If KC is demanding that much, then I would pass on Greinke.
This probably will sadden some people…
“The Royals are, understandably, asking for a great deal in return for Greinke. The club is reportedly looking for even more than Travis Snider and Kyle Drabek in a deal with Toronto, a package that the Blue Jays are not willing to part with regardless.”
Wow – Pete Abe is clearly carrying the water for Red Sox front office.
Picks on Papelbon at the behest of FO and in turn they give him first call reporting big roster moves like Crawford.
He is all over Paps… just like he used to drop rants on A-Rod.
Papelbon’s days in Boston are numbered.
I really wonder how Pete felt after Arod carried the Yankees in the 09 postseason?
I know that at least Banuelos, Betances are pretty darn good because I’ve seen them both on many occasions and they did not disappoint. Is it really that hard to believe that the Yankees would have legit pitchers in their farm system? I don’t think they’re overhyped at all, they’re just young and probably haven’t even reached their potential. I know its nice to have proven talent but to write off the young guys because they are young and haven’t pitched higher than AA is selling them short.
I know its highly unlikely that all 3 will be great in the ML but I have no trouble seeing at least one, maybe 2 of them actually make it in a bigger capacity than a guy who accepts minor league contracts every year hoping to make it somewhere.
I’m not writing them off. But some pitchers/players are worth giving them up.
Yankees aren’t even considering trading Hughes.. joba could be included but that’s his own damn fault . he’s lazy and treats the offseason as a party. Hughes works out in the offseason and is just all around good guy. joba has a huge heart but he is living it up, two completely different personalities. joba is like one of those I won the lotto and now I’m broke how’d it happen stories.
don’t judge me for the truth. I’m a huge joba fan and wish more than anything he maximizes his potential!!!!!!!
Giving up the farm form Greinke though? Who knows. I just don’t see them taking a lesser deal. I want the guy but it all depends…
who said to trade Hughes? I hope they don’t.
Joba is more like it. Not Phil. Yankees have no plans to deal Hughes anyway. They feel he is a fixture in their rotation.
# tyanksfan36 December 17th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
I know that at least Banuelos, Betances are pretty darn good because I’ve seen them both on many occasions and they did not disappoint. Is it really that hard to believe that the Yankees would have legit pitchers in their farm system? I don’t think they’re overhyped at all, they’re just young and probably haven’t even reached their potential. I know its nice to have proven talent but to write off the young guys because they are young and haven’t pitched higher than AA is selling them short.
I know its highly unlikely that all 3 will be great in the ML but I have no trouble seeing at least one, maybe 2 of them actually make it in a bigger capacity than a guy who accepts minor league contracts every year hoping to make it somewhere.
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I don’t doubt that they have potential. But they are unproven, and Greinke has already performed at the highest level, in the Major Leagues. Maybe I shouldn’t say that Yankees fans are overhyping their prospects. But if they aren’t overrating our prospects, then I think they are underrating Greinke. Yes, the guy has had a few emotional issues, but he is a REALLY talented pitcher, who isn’t even in his prime yet. We have to give up something in order to get something back. Our farm system is also stocked with young pitching talent, so I don’t think that giving up one or two guys would be gutting our system.
Apparently the Royals are looking for up the middle players. They have a top catching prospect already. But he is not ready for mlb. I still say the Yankees could work a deal out if they really wanted to. I really hope Cashman and company do not get wrapped up in the social anxiety disorder thing.
Sweet Swinging Cano
I would be sad to see some of them go, especially Banuelos and Betances. Banuelos more because he is a lefty and only 19 so he has a lot of potential barring any injury. Its more for the people who say that including them in a trade is not plausible because they haven’t made it far in the system and aren’t proven. I think, for the right team, any of them could be an excellent addition and probably more useful to them than us. KC for instance, their pitching staff probably doesn’t have the pressure to perform like in NY. Where here they might be booed for a bad start, they could fill the gap there while gaining experience and getting better. I only say KC because a lot of people include them in their deal for Greinke.
I just think it unfair to write them off before they have been given the chance to prove themselves.
Dylan
I have said before that I would be sad to see Montero or any of the “B” pitchers go because I think they are legit good. But I also know that besides Betances, none of them would choose to stay in the NY farm system if they could be given the chance to make it to the Major Leagues with another team because isn’t that the ultimate goal? You can’t win the World Series or be recognized if youre playing AAA your whole career because there is no place for you on the parent club and they’re waiting til you meet their lofty expectation to make the rotation.
I understand. And those young men may very well turn into great pitchers. But if u had to give maybe one of them up would u do it?
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So Lee goes for less money and Wood just wants to be home and signs for less. Isn’t that nice? The Yankees had Mo looking for a move to Boston if he didn’t get paid, Jeter hated the negoiation process and is bitter about recieveing the above market contract he got and the rumors are Andy may come back but definitely doesn’t want to be insulted with his contract. Uhhhh.
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Jeter’s move is expected, what do you expect from him? role model? LOL
I am surprised by Mo, frankly speaking.
tyanksfan36-
Its always bittersweet when you trade away great prospects for a star player. I love watching home grown talent like Hughes, Cano, and Gardner growing up and becoming great players. But as we all know, there are risks involved when waiting for a prospect. I also think that the Yankees are too patient with their best prospects. You don’t want to rush them, but eventually you need to throw them into the fire, and see how they respond.
Well 19 year olds do not need to be thrown into the fire lol
Greinke:
What I find quite baffling is that many of you complain when we don’t get anything done in the off-season and want Cashman’s head on a pike, but then when we have a chance to land a top talent, everything becomes conditional. Which is fine, but often enough the conditions are just not realistic.
I’m not saying that ‘all’ of you do that. Those that do, know who you are.
Montero:
He really is a special talent and if he can fit within our current situation, by all means keep him off the list. Cash already said it would have to be a very special type of player for him to include Montero. Greinke, IMHO is one of those “very special” players. However, I believe we need an impact bat pretty bad as well. I’d love to see him get his shot this year.
My $0.02 + a little more:
As we’ve all seen, especially when a trade doesn’t have anything to do with us.. there are some trades getting done that if you saw them on paper ahead of time, you’d think “No way” would team X accept players N in a trade. The most recent being Agon and the Redsox, but I’m reminded of what the Mets gave up for Santana — Yes I know Santana’s current situation — but the Mets initially fleeced Minnesota. Of course, when it comes to trading with us, we have to give up much more than anybody else. It seems that “the yankees tax” is not only in the form of dollars but also players too.
If it were up to me, I’d have my list ready and send it over to KC and then see what they say it would take to get a deal done (however high of a price, then negotiate from there).
I’m not convinced we have the right pieces for KC. At least what they would get form other teams. Don’t think for a second that the Redsox aren’t going to try and trade for Greinke. There’s already a lot of teams chompin’ at the bit right now after today’s news. -sigh-
Sweet Swinging Cano
If I were in charge of who goes or not, right now, it would be a tossup of Brackman or sadly Betances. Banuelos is too young to give up right now and being a lefty he already has more value especially given the need for them in YS and the value in lefties, he is too young to say he will make it, but then again, too young to trade him away.
Lost,
You think the Yanks are considering Greinke?
I think if the Yankees wanted to they could put a package together that’s as good as any team in baseball….im not sure you can say the same about the Sox right now. They don’t have a lot down on the farm that’s close to the big leagues.
I think the Royals have some stud left-handers in the minors, they might be more interested in right-handers. The problem is we also don’t have the middle infielder or center fielder they want. We’d have to include Gardner or Granderson and replace them somehow, maybe a three way deal.
blake,
Yes, they’re doing their due diligence. Doesn’t mean it will happen, but when any player of that caliber becomes available you take a hard-look and see if there is a match. There’s legitimate concerns of course, but the risk isn’t as high as some tend to expound upon here. That does not say there isn’t “risk”. We need a SP, and right now risk or no risk, at the very least you have to considerate it.
I will say this, certain peoples stance has changed since we lost out on Lee.
We don’t match up well with Kansas City unless Cashman can orchestrate a three-way deal. The Rangers shortstop Jurickson Profar and outfielder Engel Beltre are the type of players they are looking for as is Toronto outfielder Travis Snider. Just for starters of course plus pitchers like Drabek.
We don’t have a rotation and count me as one that isn’t confident in what we would get out of Pettitte should he come back.
Lost,
Id love it if they could get him without including Montero but I don’t know if that’s possible. He’s really talented and I think he’d look great behind CC in the rotation but it really boils down to what the Royals are asking and what the Yankees are willing to give…..if they added him and Pettite then suddenly the rotation goes from question mark to one of the best in baseball.
I think Wood signing for a lot less is far more interesting than Lee signing for a little less.
I would not trade Banuelos or Montero for Greinke. For King Felix…yes.
Profar is a 17 year old in low A ball that has done nothing yet professionally. Beltre is a 20 year old who has yet to show he can actually hit.
That is like saying the the Royals would be interested in Cito Culver and Melky Mesa.
blake:
I’d hate to give up Montero. In July, I would’ve done it for Lee and we almost did, but there was a lot of back & forth. Obviously, with what just happpened with Lee choosing Philly and we are all glad that we did do it.
ZG, I’d have to say that I would be reluctant to include Montero, but I’d probably do it. Like I said above though, I don’t even know if we have a package that KC would want from us over another team, or at least a package that fits their needs best.
Montero for the rental of a 32 year old pitcher? Come on, that’s ridiculous.
If A-Rod, Posada, and Jeter weren’t in decline, then maybe. But this team needs young offensive forces at least as much as pitching.
Doesnt have to be a rental. Do an extension
The problem is other teams have what KC wants we dont. Would need to be a three way.
According to all reports, Lee wasn’t open to an extension at that time.
Rich in NJ December 18th, 2010 at 12:09 am
Montero for the rental of a 32 year old pitcher? Come on, that’s ridiculous.
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Where were you in July when we almost pulled the trigger with Montero to Seattle for Lee? Obviously they were hoping it wasn’t just going to be for a rental. Anyhow, that conversation has been beaten to death, and I have no desire to bring that back up again. The reason I brought it up was to make the point that Montero isn’t untouchable, but he’s as close as you can get.
Greinke would do an extension now; he wants to be traded. The Yankees could offer him 6 x $19 or so.
Change of subject:
I just saw this throwing error with Melky on MLB Network (hadn’t seen it before), when it’s bad it’s bad. Poor guy, but it is quite hysterical.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......d=10464377
Lost
Cursing out Cashman as I looked at my computer scream for even thinking about doing that trade.
I don’t care either way at this point. But it still pisses me off because it’s the worst of what the Yankees are currently about.
This is Cashman’s chance to be creative, orchestrate a three way, use the Lee money and our prospects.
All these articles about how great the Red Sox moves are and this and that are getting pretty pathetic. I mean how much can ESPN stroke these guys.
All I got to say is they better be lights out all freaking year or I am going to be all over anything and everything Red Sox about it.
No free passes this year for declaring yourselves the greatest team of all time in December again and not back it up in the months where the games are actually PLAYED.
That play by Melky was almost as bad as when Man Ram cut that throw off from Damon I believe in Left Field. Now that was some Red Sux ball playing there.
Rich in NJ…..I’m with you regarding your reluctance to surrender any of the organizations top tier talent….However the club is under the gun now because of the time window that is Rivera, Jeter & Alex……..Cashman needs to come up with a starter that can hold down a rotation slot , be effective for about 2 maybe 3 years…..Had Arizona not demanded Kennedy he’d be perfect for that role right about now…….Wang’s injury and Joba’s issues haunt the club……..I understand many here are dead against Zambrano, however he’d be just what the club needs if the price was right in terms of returned talent to Chicago…….Other than that the options on the surface look slim…..And Freddy Garcia is a Sir Sindey rerun in my mind….
Yeah, Hughes is soft and joba has flamed out. Wish we had IPK back. Oh, well. One more Cashman blunder.
Casman’s done a pretty darn good job.. has he been perfect? No, but a lot of folks here expect him to be so. C’mon now, he’s not as bad of a GM as some of you like to make him out to be here.
Some of you just like to complain with the slightest bit of an excuse to do so!
Lost,
Why are you doubtful we match up with KC’s needs?
Shouldn’t they view this rebuilding phase the same way teams approach the early rounds of the draft…as in…draft the top talent available at slot regardless of need?
What I’m saying is, Montero is the best talent available to KC on the trade market. If the Yankees include him, nobody can beat that package because nobody has a better prospect to offer KC. Not to mention, we have complimentary pieces that actually do fit their needs – middle infielders (Nunez and Adams) major league ready pitchers (Joba and Nova).
I think we’re a great match for KC. What they say they want publicly and what they actually target could be two dissimilar things. They can try to make it seem like the Yankees don’t match up so the Yankees will have to forfeit higher quality talent overall to compensate for the perceived lack of a perfect match.
This is a tough negotiations – Cash won’t let out a leak and neither will KC. Too much at stake here between the fan bases. KC loves Greinke and NYY fans have their guns pointed at Cashman. This is all hush hush unless you’re reading the tea leaves (I am).
Hughes is soft? he was amazing last year up until he started to get fatigued.. but he’s young and pitched much better then expected.. maybe you should look at the years it takes most great pitchers to come into their zone..
I think were gonna see Hughes get better as he matures!
Even Terry Francona was saying that Hughes was dominating and talents were starting to shine!
Pat M
I think to mortgage the future on the backs of their top mL talent is the only way this team will have to confront the possibility of the need to truly rebuild.
I take the contrary view. If A-Rod, Jeter, and Mo play up to their peak ability, they are good enough to win without a major upgrade in the rotation. If they aren’t, they may not be good enough even if they had signed Lee.
Girardi recently said as much when he acknowledged that even if they had gotten Lee, they still didn’t hit enough to win big in the postseason.
Anyway, Greinke isn’t good enough to be worth Montero.
I’m fine with Zambrano. Creativity and smart, low cost risks are the way to go.
bret, my dad (Lost) went to bed already.
“Yeah, Hughes is soft and joba has flamed out. Wish we had IPK back. Oh, well. One more Cashman blunder.”
This is just wrong in so many ways.
Hughes will be a #2. You must think that soft means something other than what the dictionary says it means.
And given the absurdity of your post, I have to think that you were killing IPK when he was struggling in NY.
Rich in nj, Steve Howe’s post is prolly the most ridiculous of the day/night.
P,
Ok my man. Didn’t know that. Maybe he’ll catch up to me next time.
Things are definitely heating up with Greinke. There’s a trade in the works with a team on his no-trade list which is why he hired an agent who can negotiate an extension for him. If KC were deep in talks with a team not on Greinke’s no-trade list then an extension would be irrelevant because Greinke has no leverage over those teams, therefore he would not need a new agent to negotiate on his behalf. The fact that he does is a dead giveaway. We’re getting close. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that he picked an agent with close ties to high profile Yankees like Jeter and has been talking about how much he wants to win. He wants to be in NY I believe and is demanding a trade here. He wants the challenge. He’s definitely a blunt person in his actions. He doesn’t try to hide anything. I like that. He has no tact but it works for him. Reminds me of Moose.
“Girardi recently said as much when he acknowledged that even if they had gotten Lee, they still didn’t hit enough to win big in the postseason.”
But replace both of Hughes’ awful performances with Lee and chances are, we win at least 1 if not both of those games.
Not always going to score runs in the postseason… need to be able to win 2-1, 3-2 games. The 09 offense was special… don’t think it is reasonable to expect that from this group.
I don’t want to give up montero because I believe we need impact bats immediately and in the near future. when I think about Hughes and Greinke in the same rotation rmthat just makes nectarine excited. 2 young filthy pitchers who are going to get better.. now joba as far as I’m concerned will never being a starter again but if he can get it together and be our dominating RP again, man would we have some solid arms to be around for awhile!!
there’s something real fun about watching young pitching future stars sitting down heavy hitters to ke. I almost like watching that better than HR’s!!!
stupid iPhone doesn’t just correct spelling mistakes, it changes words to random ones… nectarine ???? don’t have a clue where that came from!
Rich in NJ…….Rebuilding on the fly with the demands to win at the same time is so very hard to do…….
Cashman has been played all off-season. Loser.
That’s why they went all out for Lee, even willing to do the unthinkable and sign him for 7 years – all it cost was money and would have maximized our chances of winning in the Jeter/ARod/MO/Andy window.
The alternatives were far from desirable (i.e. trading key pieces from the farm, acquiring questionable pitchers who might not translate to NY/AL East, etc.). Well, now they are forced to go down that road… will be interested to see how they go about it.
Have to take risks with guys like Zombrano and Greinke if you want potential high ceiling impact arms. Or take a chance on an Edwin Jackson type and hope he harnesses his talent in a contract year.
Wainwright, J. Johnson, Felix, etc. legit young aces with no questions are not going to fall into our lap. Cash might be saving all his big chips for a guy like this to become available, but chances are, they never will.
A guy like Zombrano would fit the bill, if they want someone who won’t cost a lot.
brett hitman, I hope we are lining up for greinke!
if by some sort of miracle we can keep montero and give up mostly prospects and money I would be happy beyond words!
Yank 1…..That’s exactly why Zambrano is attractive, he’ll only cost money on a short term …..The guy came back from being exiled and pitch very well……At this point they’ll never get equal return for what they would have to trade away…….Zambrano is a transitional acquisition who can fill the need for the next 2 years……I hope Cashman can go this route as opposed to someone like Freddy Garcia etc….
Pat M.
This team does not need a clubhouse cancer, it’s taken almost years for the chemistry of this team to change from self-seeking, it’s all about me types, to actually playing like a team..
if the yankees sign zambrano, expect a ratings drop.. at least by 1, because I’d be too sick to watch that man put on pinstripes.
I’d rather see Pavano !!
Phil Hughes will not be traded. He better not be anyway, as I feel he has as good a chance as anyone to be the 2011 AL Cy Young winner.
There, I said it. Phil Hughes will win the Cy Young next season.
Good night all.
Jose Reyes will have to let go of number 7 when he joins the New York Yankees next year. The guy is a New Yorker. He won’t be a Met and he won’t leave the city. He played WBC with Alex Rodriguez and Robinson Cano.
Gary Sheffield can call Carl Crawford the next Rickey Henderson all he wants but just remember who Rickey Henderson called the next Rickey…
Jose Reyes.
A Rickey Henderson prodigy to boot.
We talked alot about how the Sox planned to use Crawford and Ellsbury to run all over our catchers and on top of that tried to steal Russell Martin.
Well…now WE have Russell Martin and will have Reyes and Gardner to annihilate the Sox catchers.
Toss in a little Curtis Granderson and maybe some Justin Upton and the Red Sox future…all of a sudden not looking so bright.
They chose Adrian Gonzalez over Prince Fielder which was a dead giveaway about their spending plans for the 2011 offseason. It’s Reyes or bust for the Sox.
payback is B.
Phil Hughes will not be traded. He better not be anyway, as I feel he has as good a chance as anyone to be the 2011 AL Cy Young winner.
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I don’t think you’re crazy.
The wraps will be off this year, and he should pitch anywhere from 200 – 220 innings.
One thing he rarely ever does is completely implode. His ability to keep the Yankees in games even when he didn’t pitch particularly well is a big part of why he won 18 games pitching just 175 innings.
I’m really expecting a huge, huge year from him. Cy Young voters don’t like wins as much as they used to, and rightfully so, but I’m expecting something along the lines of 20-7, 3.50, 210 IP, 190/50 K to BB from Phil this upcoming season.
Bill James has him pegged with a 3.56 ERA and 166/60 K to BB in 177 innings. Extrapolate that sample size over 200-210 innings and I think Bill is right on the mark.
Also worth nothing that James has Burnett going 12-9 with a 4.01 ERA next year, essentially duplicating what he did in 2009 when he was a good 2/3 starter.
I don’t have a particularly “favorite” projection system. I like BP’s PECOTA, ZIPS, and James’s own system pretty equally. Good to know that there’s some statistical basis for thinking that AJ has at least a prayer of returning to form.
I guess I need to post this again with all the slobbering over Greinke…
Greinke had a 4.17 ERA in 2010. His K rate dropped a lot from his CY 2009, back to previous levels. I don’t think anyone can predict how he would pitch beyong “he’d probably be at least decent”. What if you trade Montero and/or Banuelos and he puts up a 4.17 ERA again?
To put it in perspective, Hughes had a 4.19 ERA in 2010. Trading him for Greinke would be moronic.
First off. Let me say I’m no Dr. but I did some reading on “Social Anxiety Disorder” which Greinke suffers from.
From my limited knowledge, and just using common sense, it would
seem that NY would not be the place for him.
The analogy for me would be like someone who has a fear of heights and then has to work washing the windows of skyscrapers.
Thats my 2 cents.
And all you folks who want Zambrano in PS.
Why not just go over to Bellvue ? You’d find someone a lot cheaper.
Just what we need AJ, Joba, and Z on the same pitching staff.
Talk about looney toons.
I hope today is not as negative as last night, there are times you can’t believe this is a pro Yankees site.
Cheap skate, always just 2 cents.
Al-
I prefer showing up mainly in early AM because of that sort of stuff.
Al-
What’s your take on getting Greinke ?
Big Al, it’s pretty much negative most of the time. To me it’s just amazing as how some of these people just attack you for stating an opinion. To me it’s fine to state a counter opinion, no one gets everything right, but these personal attacks are just often over the top.
Mike -
To be honest, I was not in favor of Greinke, at any cost, but, after reading that article that was posted yesterday, I had a change of mind.
Dispite what’s been said concerning his mental problems, I know believe he could pitch well in NY, and he wants to play for a winner.
If I were to guess, I’d say he winds up in Texas or with the Twins.
Al-
Thanks. I sure would hate to see Texas get him.
But it wouldn’t surprise me considering how aggressive they were for
General Lee.
MTU, if he wants to come to NY and the Royals are willing to trade him I think he will be there. The options now are so limited. The debate can be about the money, the years, his physical makeup and such. But I think Brian can’t afford to let another big name get away if a deal can be made.
Morning folks. Quiet here this AM.
Al-
And I can’t picture Greinke and the press after his first early trip to the showers.
Whew ! scary for the kid. No way to shield him in NY.
Gary -
Agreed. It’s a shame that some folks lack the ability to discuss opinions that differ from their own, so feel compelled to attack the blogger on a personal note.
I realize we’ll not always agree with everything the Yankees do, but, it appears there are just too many that do nothing but post negative comments about anything Yankees, and then call themselves fans, which to me makes no sense.
Gary-
If I were the Yankees I would be very, very cautious about Greinke and NY.
It’s a job for the experts. No doubt about that.
Big Al, I don’t give any support to this mental problem dialog. First it’s 2010 and that type of sterotyping and association went away along time ago. Second what the lell do these people know as they aren’t medical people. People with mental illness several of which I know do very well with their meds and therapy. To me it isn’t part of the decision process.
Mike -
I don’t think he’ll need to be shielded from the press, and I don’t believe his condition would prevent him from pitching well in NY.
If he came to the Yankees, his teammates will be the support he’ll need, and they’ll provide that, of this I’m positive.
Mike -
I have a friend that suffers from the same condition Greinke does, and with the help of medication, is no different than you or I. Oops, now that was a bad comparison.
Gary-
I completely disagree with you on your statement that Greinke’s condition should not be a part of a decision process on him.
IMO, quite the opposite.
It’s not a matter of a bias of any kind, or a knock on his obvious talent, or any backwards view on his problem.
For me, it’s simply a matter of evaluating in an objective way wether
being in NY would exacerbate his issues.
I know all about the idea that medications can be very helpful, etc.
I just don’t the Yankees should take it lightly, and I don’t think they will.
Al-
No one is like you.
You’re completely unique.
And as far as Greinke goes I’m glad I wouldn’t have to make that
determination but someone with a lot of knowledge on the subject definitely should.
By the way, Greinke would seem perfect when compared to me.
Greinke is a stud. He is power pitcher and with a decent hitting lineup will be twenty game winner. He has more upside than bad back Lee. He is worth a good package including Montero.
Mike -
Being serious, the condition Greinke suffers from can be controlled with medication, and is not as debilitating as some make it out to be. People that suffer from this condition have problems at the beginning of being diagnosed, and once the level and type of medications are put in place, that person functions in a normal way.
This is not a condition that stress affects, but rather more inter-personal actions of dealing with people one-on-one in stressful conditions.
Mike -
Unique? Man I’ve been called a lot of things, that may be one of the kinder statements.
You my friend are special.
Good morning guys. Just catching up.
IMO the Yanks definitely have to consider Grienke. If he is asking for a trade “out of the comforts of KC”, he must think he can handle it. He would be a great addition to the Yankees staff.
Gary,
I’m a physician.
Sure, some people here may be a little insensative when discussing Greinke’s psychiatric history, but to say it shouldn’t be a factor in the Yankees decision making process is naive, and frankly stupid. These are conditions that are frequently controlled with medication, but rarely cured. Relapses are far from rare.
This is a player that will cost the team significantly to obtain. Of course the Yankees are going to want some assurance that he’s physically AND mentally healthy enough to play for them. If they didn’t, it wound be terribly irresponsible.
Al-
I hear you, and you’ll just have to trust me when I say I am in a position to understand Greinke very well due to my background, and personal experience.
What is an interview with the press if not the ultimate in one on one, and potential confrontation ?
Look Al, if the Yankees decide they want him then I’m sure they’ll be thorough.
If they decide to go after him and get him I’ll be cheering for his every victory with full force.
Good morning Fran. I agree on Greinke, I’m more concerned about the cost than the player.
Al-
Me. Special ?
Yup. I’m especially crazy.
Wouldn’t give up Montero for Greinke unless the Yankees are convinced he won’t be a Catcher.
Mike -
You are correct, It’s the guy that’s pushing the mic in his face and yelling for an answer that would cause him stress, not the game of baseball itself, or the competition on the field.
I agree, the Yankees will werigh all the facts before making a decision of this magnitude.
Mike – That means you’re in good company here, lol.
Al-
“One flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest” was one of my favorite movies.
That ought to tell you somethin’.
Mike -
I agree with not giving up Montero, but I don’t think KC wants either a C or 1B. They need up the middle help, SS, CF, SP.
So, looking at their needs, I think it would cost us Gardner, Nunez, and 2 top SP prospects and Joba.
In fact just last week I sent a patient to the Psychiatric Crisis Center for a severe flair of his anxiety. He is a VERY successful executive, and has been doing well on medication for a few years since his last trouble. Unfortunately, he just had what you’d call in lay terms a nervous breakdown. You know what the precipitating factor was?? Something at work. He is now on temporary medical leave from his company.
Staring GB7′s nurse. Loved that movie, it was like looking in a mirror.
Al-
As long as the Yankees have done their homework I’m down with that.
What do we do about a LF’er though if the Gritster is gone ?
The Yankees are in a very unique position, more than most teams, to know about Greinke’s condition.
His brother Luke was once in the farm system and the Yankees had family contact in the process of signing him.
Cash is also very close with Trey Hillman, who managed Greinke in KC, and has a very good working relationship with his new agent Casey Close.
In other words, if they don’t pursue him, it will because the info they have on him makes them skeptical he can handle NY.
Conversely, if they are in on him, the opposite is obviously true.
I’m more concerned about the cost than the player.
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Hi Big Al. I keep thinking they could have traded Montero for Lee in July for what would have been a 6 month rental. But I think that before they would trade anyone for Grienke, the Yanks would do their due diligence.
RSM -
Can I assume you are a doctor? If so, what is your take on Greinke coming to NY?
Al-
Another one of my more recent favorites was
“K-Pax” with Kevin Spacey and Jeff Bridges.
Wonderful movie IMO though twinged with sadness.
SJ-
You mean you haven’t frozen to death as was reported in the press ?
Mike -
I never saw that movie, worth watching?
RSM
but to say it shouldn’t be a factor in the Yankees decision making process is naive, and frankly stupid.
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Well RSM I’m not a doctor, but my wife has suffered from mental illness for 30 years so I don’t consider myself niave and stupid on those maters. I guess though that my experience is highly inferior to yours, thanks for letting me know. Also if you REALLY were a physician I don’t think you go around going telling people they are stupid.
Like I said before there isn’t any limits to what you get here.
Either Greinke or Zambrano come with a certain amount of risk attached but who doesn’t ?
If the Yankees land either one, they’ll be protected as much as possible and P.R. man Jason Zillo would need to establish certain ground rules with the media about asking ridiculous questions to either pitcher.
Al-
IMO, absolutely.
108-
IMO, that is not realistic for a professional athlete and a public figure.
re: Zack Greinke
I hate to open up this can of worms but I believe Zack Greinke has undiagnosed Asperger’s Syndrome which is a mild and misunderstood form of autism that few doctors have identified until recently (the last 10 years). I think he has a very mild form of Asperger’s. He’s often thought of as someone who’s too honest or honest to a fault (Buddy Bell his former manager said this). He blurts out odd things because he has no filter between his thoughts and his mouth. If the Yankees haven’t figured this out by now then they’re not doing their homework.
SJ-
Seriously. Thanks for that info. on Greinke.
Greinke would be a nice addition to this club, the age is right as stated he’s a power pitcher who gets innings…still have a problem getting rid of the catcher….a Gardner,joba, Nunez package I would do..
MTU December 18th, 2010 at 8:43 am
Al-
“One flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest” was one of my favorite movies
++++++++++++++++++
Ah…brings back memories of my family’s Christmas and Thanksgiving dinners.
RSM -
I missed your earlier post about being a doctor, and your opinion.
As with every patient, I’m sure you’ll agree, they tend to handle the medications and stress in various ways. As a lay person, I’d want his personal doctor’s opinion on his condition, and how long he’s been without a break in his ability to manage his condition.
Good Morning, morning people.
Mike/Big Al. That’s the thing. I have no doubt Greinke could pitch for the Yankees; it’s the overabundance of zealous media that gives me some pause. Though I’m loathe to say he can’t do it.
I’m not setting my heart on anyone or anything, though. For one thing, there are other teams out there all looking for the same few quality players.
I wouldn’t be crazy about Zambrano, and I wouldn’t want to give up too much to get Greinke, and I’d love some guarantee that if he were to come here and not be able to handle it they could move him.
In the end, whatever team the Yankees field, I’ll root for.
SJ44 -
Be careful, it’s still hunting season, especially here on LoHud.
Always great to get your input.
I saw a post this morning on another blog that suggested Cashman go hard after both Greinke and Soria, and make a big blockbuster trade to make it happen. Thoughts?
Bojo-
Doreen -
The only way the Yankees could be sure they could move Greinke, is if he signed here, and didn’t request a no trade clause.
BoJo -
Soria would cost much too much, and would never want to be an EIG.
Doreen-
As long as the Yankees do their DD in a thorough and comprehensive manner I’m cool with whatever they decide on Greinke.
For me his talent is not really in question.
Hate to lose the Gritster though.
Unless we add Upton, Rasmus or Kemp too.
(Hey, I can dream can’t I ? ).
That’s beyond dreaming.
Al–Soria wouldn’t have an option…he would be under team control until 2013.
As far as cost, the poster suggested all prospects, suggesting that even 10 of the top 20 prospects (excluding the top 4) would be fine as most of them will have no role on the parent club. He only suggested holding back on Montero, Sanchez, Betances, and Banuelos. Moore could pick 10 of the remaining farm system.
This was on the Daily News blog. I read it daily, but never post there (they are constantly flaming John/Redfish/Born Blue, and it is a battleground).
AL-
I have big dreams AL. Big dreams.
Mike -
Carpenter at the deadline trade. I can see it happening.
Any Zambrano deal will require the Cubs taking some of the pitcher’s contract money in return then sending Chamberlain to finish the deal. The Cubs get some salary relief which they want.
BoJo -
That’s really emtying the bank, not sure I’d do it, but would have to give it serious consideration.
Al-
Too much of a walking injury risk for my taste.
The talent is again, obvious, though.
I think we are going with CC, AP, PH, AJ, and Nova.
I would favor a middle to back end guy like Floyd as added insurance.
just a cut and paste
What would the Yankees have to give up for Greinke? Well, the Royals have previously stated they want a major league starting pitcher and up-the-middle hitters. I don’t think the Royals would have interest in Eduardo Nunez as the headliner for a deal, but I am sure the Royals would be happy to take a few of the Yankees pitching prospects like Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances or Hector Noesi, along with Jesus Montero and Nunez.
Al–
St Louis is a pretty good team, and should be in the race all year long. I hope Cashman is not planning based on feeling that Carpenter will be available.
I hope instead that Cash gets a stud now in the off-season.
Reasons?
1. I suspect it will be a tight race with Boston, Jays, and Rays in AL East, and the early season wins will be very important
2. Yankees will need a second Ace to get through the play-offs, and if Hughes and Burnett don’t step up, there will not be someone as good as Greinke available during season.
BoJo -
I want the Yankees to go after other players such as Upton and Carpenter, and if you deplete the farm in the deal you spoke of, ther’s nothing left to deal with.
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Doreen
I feel the same way. In years past I have occasionally checked up on what the Yankees are doing in the offseason and gone to a spring training game or two and see who thay have added, with the Cliff Lee FA thing though I have paid more attention to what they’re doing. Not that I predict doom and gloom but we do have an issue with the rotation if Andy doesn’t come back.
I know that by spring they will have a team worth rooting for, like they do every year.
My guess is we’re most likely wrong on every trade we speak about, and only time and Cashman will tell.
Al–
I love Upton–no doubt. But don’t think he adds as much as a #2 and lock-down closer EIG (Soria). Pitching wins championships (as you know).
Even if Cash empties the bank except for top 4, he still has 2 top prospects and lower prospects to package for Upton. Personally, I don’t tjhink Towers is moving him anyway.
As far as Carpenter, it is a big risk to assume he will be available ifCards are competing. Also, I would rather have Greinke–under control at a reasonable salary for 2 years–instead of the 36 year old Carpenter (FA at seaon’s end).
Gary, I never said anyone was stupid. I said not factoring the man’s mental health history into the equation before committing millions of dollars to him and giving up serious talent to acquire him would be irresponsible.
It’s no different than the Yankees wanting a physician to examine Martin’s hip before signing him. I think your personal experiences may be making you overly sensative regarding this matter and clouding your judgment. I meant NO offense to you.
Al, it’s hard to have an opinion without knowing the details of his case, but I do find it a concern.
No one ever knows what Cashman will do until it is done…
His wife didn’t even suspect she was pregnant until month 4.
would have no problem with the Big Z or Greinke here..in the Z case though they would have to get somebody along with him
“in the Z case though they would have to get somebody along with him”
Yeah. The guy who carries his straight jacket.
If I’m Cashman I float a deal to K.C. consisting of Nova or Noesi, Romine, Chamberlain, Nunez, and Russo or Curtis. See if they bite.
No deal that includes any of Montero, Banuelos, Betances, Phelps, Sanchez, or Brewer.
The Yankees carry the addional risk of signing Greinke to a multi-year deal.
http://kansascity.royals.mlb.c.....sp?c_id=kc
Also if you REALLY were a physician I don’t think you go around going telling people they are stupid.
///you kidding??Drs tell people they’re stupid all the time.Esp when their patients tell them to screw off.my mother-in-law told her hotshot knee specialist to do just that when he recommended gel injections for her knee.though in a nice way.she heard there were risks & had a gut feeling she could rehab her knee without the stuff but because she was in her 60s he must’ve figured she was dead or something.she very respectfully said well I’ve read up on this procedure and…he was so outraged all his little plaques for Outstanding Surgeon etc on his wall shook cos of his fury.he demanded ‘who’s the surgeon?!!!you or me???!!!’ and stormed off.we still laugh about it.she bicycles every day.some Drs..hmm…
# MTU December 18th, 2010 at 9:21 am
“in the Z case though they would have to get somebody along with him”
Yeah. The guy who carries his straight jacket.
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lot of nut jobs pitched in the majors thru the years , there wasn’t a SP in the majors that pitched better than Z the last month of the 2010 reg season
The only reason why I would assume the Yankees go after Upton/Rasmus is if they have to include Gardner in a trade to land Greinke. Problem is…you are already depleting the farm (and Gardner, Joba, whoever) for Greinke, then you have to package even more for someone like Upton/Rasmus. My dream would be to get a Carpenter/Greinke + Upton/Rasmus this offseason, but it comes with way too much risk and loss of the farm system.