Monahan and Donohue honored as top training staff
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 18, 2010 
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Earlier this month, the Professional Baseball Athletic Trainer Society (PBATS) honored Gene Monahan and Steve Donohue as the Best Athletic Trainers in Major League Baseball for the 2010 season. Good stuff for two remarkably nice men. Here’s the announcement.
PBATS?is proud of all of its athletic trainers and athletic training staffs, they’re among the most skilled and respected in professional sports. But each year PBATS members are given the opportunity to honor one major league team’s athletic training staff based upon their skill, their professionalism and their dedication to the core mission of PBATS. In 2010, that honor was presented to the athletic trainers of the New York Yankees, Gene Monahan and Steve Donohue.
”With a total of almost 65 years of combined service as professional baseball athletic trainers with the New York Yankees, Gene Monahan and Steve Donohue have set an example for all athletic trainers to follow, working on possibly the toughest and brightest stage in all of professional sports. The length of Gene and Steve’s tenure in baseball is only exceeded by the extent of their generosity and leadership in helping advance fellow athletic trainers,” said Richie Bancells, President of PBATS and head Athletic trainer of the Baltimore Orioles. “We salute their wonderful efforts and thank them for being premier representatives for PBATS.”
Each baseball season, the membership of PBATS vote on who they believe is the Major League Baseball Athletic Training Staff of the Year. The criteria for this award is ability related to their profession, professionalism, dedication to health of their athletes and a demonstrated desire to advance the profession of athletic training.
Look, everyone knows that the red sox training staff and medical staff are collectively, the best in all of sports. These guys knew that Johnny Damon would only be good for the first 2 years of his contract, the 4 year one he signed with the Yankees…….stevie and gino are fine and all, but the sox staff is out of this world great. Gammons said so.
With respect to Greinke’s 2009 being an outlier, is your argument we should forget it. I don’t value a player by selecting and excluding stats and years randomly. They all count.
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It should not be ignored, his 2009 is a tantalizing aspect to Greinke’s value. However you said that Greinke’s 4 year average is 137.5 which is not really true. He pitched at below that 3 times and had 1 incredible year. Considering the Yankees only get control of Greinke for 2 years barring an extension, they had better consider the likelihood of him reaching his ultimate potential in those 2 years before deciding to trade Montero for him.
If you look at these numbers 120,120,200,100 and tell me which is more likely to occur, a number 120 or lower or 200, I think you’d have to be crazy to say 200. Greinke has had 1 season where everything came together and he was incredible. In his other seasons he is above average to good.
You could say over a 4 year period, Brady Anderson averaged 23 HRs a year, because he hit 50 once. Its just silly and obviously an outlier.
Felix Hernandez just put up back to back 2 ERA seasons. Roy Halladay has had multiple 2 ERA seasons.
Are the other 3 seasons better than our current 2-5 starters? My view is, we need a #2 starter this year and next, even more next when Andy surely won’t return. There aren’t a lot out there. I think the way to look at it is even in the other 3 years, he slots comfortably behind CC and really makes our rotation a strength as opposed to a liability. Slotting a solid #2 to allow andy, hughes, and AJ, each of whom can be a #2 on any given night, is truly the ideal situation. When u have #3-5 starters who are better than the 3-5′s they face but not prototypical #2′s, u are at an advantage.
Jerkface – first of all, greinke is coming into his prime. Second, the other 3 years weren’t garbage. I would argue that the other 3 years are better than any 3 AJ has had. I would argue the expectations of greinke for next year would be to outperform hughes next years. And I would argue the chance of greinke making 32 starts next year far outways the chance of andy doing so.
Carlo December 18th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Jerkface – first of all, greinke is coming into his prime. Second, the other 3 years weren’t garbage. I would argue that the other 3 years are better than any 3 AJ has had. I would argue the expectations of greinke for next year would be to outperform hughes next years. And I would argue the chance of greinke making 32 starts next year far outways the chance of andy doing so.
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No one would argue against what you wrote there.
The problem is some people are getting excited as if he is a perennial CY candidate. He is not. He has not attained the consistent level of Halladay, CC, etc.
What jerface wrote is correct.
And you don’t trade Montero and probably not Banuelos when so far he has most been above average/good. It doesn’t matter if he is the best starting pitcher *left*. He’d be nice to have, but not at that expense.
Again, no one is saying he is bad or couldn’t help.
I like Greinke but this is all completely ridiculous. We are not getting him and he doesn’t want to come. Patience is a virtue. Something will be dropped in our laps that will answer all your concerns and questions…… Do your reading between the lines and the answers are there. Trust me!!!
Jackamir – when u read between the lines, what are u coming up with?
I’m at a loss right now, but not because of lack of effort. I’m just not seeing it.
Jacksquat – agree, he is not those guys. CC is though so we aren’t looking for those type of guys anymore. I have my tolerance level for what I would be ok with dealing to get him…….montero is above that level.
I am not saying Greinke is bad or will be bad, I am merely saying that for 2 years of what he may or may not pitch like, its not worth Montero.
Of all the arguments against trading your top prospect for Greinke, the 2 year rental is the icing on the cake.
If Greinke cannot be had, then I realllyyy hope that Carpenter is available. He would fit perfectly in the #2 hole behind CC. Then, let’s say Andy doesn’t come back, maybe the Yankees can trade for a Lefty like Wandy Rodriguez…which shouldn’t cost us anything too substantial in terms of prospects.
Scenario:
CC, ? (Greinke, Carpenter maybe), Hughes, Wandy, Burnett.
Dead Blog Alert….
What would be perfect is to wait a year and let the Killer Bs develop.
joba, robo,feliciano, logan,mitre,mo (Room for One more)
a 4th OF, a 2nd utility guy
why are people complaining?
sure we don’t have big name at every position like our rivals, sure they are in 1st place this winter,so we are the underdogs for a change, sure they have the higher payroll, all the more fun when we beat em…
What I’d like to see is for Cashman to do whatever it takes to get Andy back.
Then, If I’m Cash and Joe G- I challenge the stars to perform to step up and get it done and if they need a missing piece in June, July, they’ll be in a position to add.
This would be a near $200 million team with Andy back in the fold,, if Jeter and Tex and Arod and company are as good as advertised, then they need to step up and lead the team without forcing the owner to shell out even more payroll on what is a sellers market right now.
Andy might be looking for a 2nd year, with option, as a going away present.
He is key and he knows it.
Say 16m with a team option for 2…
mick December 18th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
joba, robo,feliciano, logan,mitre,mo (Room for One more)
a 4th OF, a 2nd utility guy
why are people complaining?
–I’d like to see Rauch as a possibility. If not, I wonder who the Yankees can maybe obtain to fill out the BP. (Broxton, Leo Nunez??? Who knows.)
Also, I’d rather Nova be the BP Long-man over Mitre. But our BP is in good shape. And I think our Bench will be too. But the SP is a bit of an issue. That’s not going to be ignored.
If Andy is struggling with whether to pitch another year then I doubt he will demand a 2 year deal. He’ll likely but ok with a one year contract…….he might want 15 million though and if he does the Yanks should give it to him without a fuss.
Given the contract they gave Jeter, Pettitte deserves to get similar money on a yearly basis.
Pettitte’s decision is priority #1. By itself it settles what happens to 1 spot in the starting rotation. Even if Rothschild manages to fix Burnett, he’s no better than the No. 5 starter. Reliance on a high end pitching prospect is one-year too soon unless lady luck comes along. The bottom line is that another starter is needed otherwise Cliff Lee never would have been pursued.
As of today, $8M of the Lee money has been used for Martin and Feliciano. A slight ticket price increase plus the balance of the Lee money justifies another starter, another RH bullpen arm such as Jon Rauch, and a utility infielder such as Jeff Keppinger.
No need to deplete the farm.
If Andy returns, do you guys think we still need a number 2 pitcher?
CC, ___, Andy, Hughes, Burnett
Or simply a number 5?
CC, Hughes, Andy, Burnett, ____
It’s a shame we have to rely so much on the return of a 38 year old pitcher who is becoming more and more injury prone. I love Andy Pettitte but how did it come to this? There is no way the Yankees with all their highly thought of staff and resources should have been stuck with a three-man rotation at this point.
How did it come to this? they abruptly ended Chamberlain’s career as a starter,that’s how.
Alfred – why do you think they made that decision. It seemed to be a consensus.
Wang’s shoulder blew-out, Joba’s in the ‘pen and IPK was traded.
All team’s have to deal with an injury here and there and players get traded. We shouldn’t be in this position. Wang and IPK were a while ago now and we knew last year Vazquez was a one year deal and that Joba wasn’t going to start. We seemed to have put all our eggs in the Cliff Lee basket and here we are.
WC – I’ve yet to find an answer that is definitive.the stuff offered here doesn’t cut it.the search continues.
# West Coast Yankee Fan December 18th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
It’s a shame we have to rely so much on the return of a 38 year old pitcher who is becoming more and more injury prone. I love Andy Pettitte but how did it come to this? There is no way the Yankees with all their highly thought of staff and resources should have been stuck with a three-man rotation at this point.
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It’s a shame you feel you need to whine everyday about Pettitte and Hal Steinbrenner.
Wang’s shoulder blew-out, Joba’s in the ‘pen and IPK was traded.
///that too.Wang was a very effective innings eating arm for the yanks.it seems so long ago that he was here,but he was still around in 2009.IPK they talked up but seemed to never really believe in.
“If Andy returns, do you guys think we still need a number 2 pitcher?”
It depends on the cost.
What starting pitchers in baseball have been available to the Yankees this winter? One….Cliff Lee. The rest except for Marcum, Lilly and Lee are mid summer type pick-ups for emergencies. Marcum wasn’t going to be traded tp the Yankees, Lee wanted Philadelphia and Lilly signed back with the LA Doggies 3 weeks before the Yankees could even talk to him.
Were I Cashman, assuming Andy comes back,I’d wait to see if the rotation required additions.sometimes the best thing to do is…nothing.it’s also the hardest thing to justify to the wailing masses.nothing, meaning nothing like Betances/Banuelos/Montero nothing.
Giuseppe Franco – it’s a shame you feel you need to be a pompous ass everyday.
J. Alfred Prufrock December 18th, 2010 at 7:20 pm
How did it come to this? they abruptly ended Chamberlain’s career as a starter,that’s how.
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Partially true. Joba himself was a strong contributor by thinking Jobamania would last forever. Not helping his cause was poor conditioning, constantly shaking off the signs of his catchers, little interest in learning repeated mechanics, and off the field issues.
He’s a victim of himself.
Joba may have been brought up too soon, that was by necessity in 2007 and the Joba rules may have yanked his chain a bit but I think one has to overcome those things. He was damn frustrating to watch too often and management lost patience with him.
Stuff happens.
The Yankees will still be fine.
108 stitches – all that may well play into his struggles,but a team with the resources of the yanks that just throws their hands up on a 25 yr old w-legitimate top-of-rotation weapons after one season as a starter has got to be questioned.it’s also weird that they stomped on his value by shouting from the rooftops that he’s eternally damned to a life in the bullpen.so many false moves.wrong,just wrong all the way around.
It is interesting that given the rotation issues right now management is so unwilling to give Joba another shot at starting. They could not be any clearer about that not being a possibility. Need in the pen? Or convinced he won’t ever be an effective starter. Cashman always speaks about it in glittering generalities.
Good evening all from beautiful Springfield, Missouri. We drove from Columbus, Ohio last night.
SAS
I hear Moe’s tavern is an OK hangout. Say hey to Homer for us.
To West Coast’s point…in the middle of an all day trade proposal discussion, the Cashman apologists all defend him by pointing out the limited free agent crop but neglect to acknowledge that since the time of Wang’s injury, Joba’s demotion and Kennedy’s trade, Cashman could have possibly TRADED for a pitcher.
Its obvious he banked on getting Lee and now he’s scrambling. WCYF is correct – it did not have to be like this. Cashman knew the prospects wouldn’t be ready yet, knew Pettitte was year to year, knew the status of his rotation…but simply waited on a free agent who never came.
Hi SAS!
Sounds like you’re making progress. When do you expect to get “home”?
It is interesting that given the rotation issues right now management is so unwilling to give Joba another shot at starting.
///interesting is not the word that comes to mind.hell.hopefully new PC means brighter horizons for the young hurlers,if not joba, then those in the next wave.let’s hope they’re in better hands than Dave Eiland’s.
*let’s* hope is assuming a lot,given the present crowd.those who are actually yankee fans hope is what I meant. goodnight.
like that anti-jeter tag team,do you guys work together?don’t answer that.good night,good night,good night.
Tar,
We are too tired to go out, but thanks.
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Doreen,
We plan to go to Amarillo, TX tomorrow night. Then a very long day to Home Sweet Home.
We almost had to leave puppy dog home because she didn’t like the idea of leaving, but she is lying on the bed and doing fine.
The temps were 14 this AM, and we were up to 36 this PM.
SAS -
Not too bad. Good that puppy dog is making it through with you.
I’m gonna wish you a safe trip now because I never know when I’m going to just fall asleep!
J. Alfred Prufrock December 18th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
108 stitches – all that may well play into his struggles,but a team with the resources of the yanks that just throws their hands up on a 25 yr old w-legitimate top-of-rotation weapons after one season as a starter has got to be questioned.it’s also weird that they stomped on his value by shouting from the rooftops that he’s eternally damned to a life in the bullpen.so many false moves.wrong,just wrong all the way around.
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If his new pitching coach can penetrate his thinking and make something of him that Guidry and Eiland couldn’t, then it’s a maybe.
Otherwise it’s his last chance. There’s enough arms close to ready to afford much more time with Chamberlain. He’ll need to pitch his way OUT of the bullpen this year.
Thanks Doreen and I hope you have a good night. Everyone is tired the week before Christmas
Well looks like the Angels might be moving towards signing Beltre. Most of the relievers have signed as well which means the Soriano market should pick up soon. If the Rangers are smart they’ll sign him.and move Feliz to their rotation…..id love to see him in pinstripes but with the contracts that have been handed out to middle and situational relievers I doubt the Yanks will be willing to go to the years or dollars it’ll take to get him to accept a set up role.
So who is the Yankees bridge to Mo? They are not going to sign Soriano for closer money are they? I doubt it. Joba or Robertson. I doubt it.