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From Jeter to Lee to Greinke to…

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 19, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Who’s next? Derek Jeter took his turn as the most discussed player of the Yankees offseason. Then Cliff Lee. Then Zack Greinke. So who’s next in the center of trade speculation and free agent guesswork? Five candidates:

g12c000000000000000b7eda53d7a7fe984d397f93b4911a4e492fe3439Gavin Floyd
For those not looking for pie-in-the-sky scenarios, Floyd might be the reasonable alternative. Fausto Carmona or Matt Garza might also fit into this category. Floyd could legitimately help the Yankees rotation, and he’s currently with a team that might actually have reason to trade him.

Felix Hernandez
Joel Sherman has already made the case that the Yankees should immediately do whatever it takes to land the Mariners ace. Seattle, predictably, seems against the idea of trading him, but I don’t think that will stop anyone from wondering and dreaming.

Andy Pettitte
He’s so far been in the background. Every time Pettitte’s situation has nearly bubbled to the surface, it’s been overshadowed by some other move or potential move. Throughout the Winter Meetings he was secondary to Lee, then the Mariano Rivera signing became official, then Russell Martin signed, then Greinke came to the front of the trade market. Could be time for the Pettitte discussion to take center stage.

Rafael Soriano
Adrian Beltre isn’t a fit for the Yankees, so Soriano seems to be the top remaining free agent who could make a significant difference next season. The cost would surely be extreme — the Yankees are going to have to battle with closer money — and it’s still unclear whether Soriano would be open to taking a setup gig.

Carlos Zambrano
He might be leader in the clubhouse because — whether legitimate or not —  Zambrano already seems to have generated some Yankees speculation this winter. The pros are obvious (been an elite pitcher in the past, familiar with Larry Rothschild), but the cons are just as obvious (massive contract, unreliable at best).

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462 Responses to “From Jeter to Lee to Greinke to…”

  1. Dee December 19th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    What about Buehrle, Carpenter, Nolasco, Wandy?? Or am I totally off base. Either way…not much out there, especially to fill the spot behind CC.

  2. Rich in NJ December 19th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    It should be Pettitte until he signs, but apart from that, I think the next big thing will be someone no one has thought of.

  3. Rich in NJ December 19th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Nolasco stinks.

  4. Tom in N.J. December 19th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    I’d ask about Buehrle, however, I don’t think the Chisox are looking to unload him …

  5. Yogi Mantle December 19th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Hard to believe, but despite all the talk, the Yankees have been boring this off season. Other than getting beat out of anything they seemed to be going after. Martin was the only player they got with the Red Sox supposedly being in on, wow.

    I know trades can take some time to set up, but there also are limitations in what is available via trade. It also seems other teams are less afraid to pull the trigger on trades.

    Pettitte is the best move they can make, and its all on hoping that he doesn’t want to retire.

    Meanwhile we wait for something, anything, to get us excited for the season.

  6. joeman December 19th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    wouldn’t mind a Floyd ..Soriano combo.just don’t know what I would offer him(Soriano) in years..maybe a 3 year contract with a closer job in the 3rd year

  7. Captain Clutch December 19th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Sidney Ponson here we come….

  8. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Buehrle says that he plans to retire to be with his family after the 2011 season. NYYs gives up a lot of talent for 1 year? Not a smart move.

  9. blake December 19th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    Floyd, Pettite, and Soriano would make for a pretty solid staff. Who knows what the price for Floyd would be though and I bet they’d have to either give Soriano a big yearly salary or 4 years to sign him.

    Like Rich, I want to believe there’s a surprise coming but I just really can’t think of anything.

  10. Dee December 19th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    blake December 19th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    Like Rich, I want to believe there’s a surprise coming but I just really can’t think of anything.

    –Agreed. We can only hope.

  11. clownthrowindown December 19th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Things are about to heat up. Cashman is on his way to the Winter Meetings right now. He’s got a Plan, dude. He’s all over this thing!

  12. have a cigar December 19th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Too many easy out for Cashman & Co. when it comes to Soriano.

    The money, he’s a Type A free agent, he escaped through one of the myriad holes in the net, etc.

    I miss The Boss more and more each day.

  13. brianlopez22 December 19th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    You know whats funny?

    If Ivan Nova was on the Astros… this entire blog would be clamoring to go acquire him.

  14. NYY fan in NH December 19th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Where are you Aaron Small??

  15. Jerkface December 19th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    Nolasco stinks.

    Sub 2 bb/9, mid 8 k/9. gives up a bunch of HRs. I’d take a chance on him.

  16. Captain Clutch December 19th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    I like Floyd a lot but I can’t see the W.Sox trading him. Cashman gets paid the big money for a reason so let’s see him come up with someone. I expect to hear this week that Andy is coming back and then Cashman has to come up with one more pitcher. Using Nova for the 5th starter is not good because they would be in a lot of trouble if someone gets hurt.

  17. NYY fan in NH December 19th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Martin may turn out to be a very good signing. When healthy and back on his game he could bring some attitude to this team again.

  18. blake December 19th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    “If Ivan Nova was on the Astros… this entire blog would be clamoring to go acquire him.”

    considering he has a grand total of 42 big league innings pitched….I kinda doubt that. That said, if nothing else comes along that makes sense then I’d be fine having another competition for the 5th spot in the rotation this spring….with Nova the incumbent front runner.

  19. 108 stitches December 19th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Mariano is supposed to call Andy soon to entice him back. Maybe he can but the team needs more than a maybe as the market slowly dries up.
    The team needs at least 2 starters and a stable RH for the bullpen as of today. Cashman has to act sooner than later or it’s force feeding time from the farm system.

  20. Dee December 19th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Captain Clutch December 19th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
    I like Floyd a lot but I can’t see the W.Sox trading him. Cashman gets paid the big money for a reason so let’s see him come up with someone. I expect to hear this week that Andy is coming back and then Cashman has to come up with one more pitcher. Using Nova for the 5th starter is not good because they would be in a lot of trouble if someone gets hurt.

    –And I personally see Nova as a good long-man option, taking the spot of Aceves. Much better than Mitre at least.

  21. blake December 19th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Floyd is only 27 as well and is pretty cheap for the next couple years…also has a 2013 option. Not sure why they’d trade him really unless they were getting back something pretty good.

  22. Rich in NJ December 19th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    “Sub 2 bb/9, mid 8 k/9. gives up a bunch of HRs. I’d take a chance on him.”

    He has a 97 career ERA+ and is coming off of a 93 ERA+ season.

    He supposedly wants $6m.

    I would rather take a chance on Joba in the rotation.

  23. SAS December 19th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Good Evening from Tucumari, NM….eastern NM

  24. blake December 19th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Zambrano really is probably the best bet to get and not have to include high end prospects…..could work out well or be a giant waste of money though. I hope Cash has at least called the Marlins about Josh Johnson as well…..he called about Felix and Johnson is no less available than he would be I’d imagine.

  25. Dee December 19th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    I would love it if one of the young guns out the A’s rotation was available. That’s just what the rotation needs. Too bad.

  26. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    SAS-

    Greeetings. Is it overcast and raining out there ?

    By the way, it’s Tucumcari.

    How’s ole’ leadfoot holdin’ up ?

    Hope your weather is better than ours right now.

    I’m starting on an Ark tomorrow.

    :)

  27. Stoneburner December 19th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    Count me in for Floyd and Pettitte . . . Floyd still under 30 and signed to a reasonable contract. Still would love to have Danks – but that ain’t happening . . .YET.

  28. West Coast Yankee Fan December 19th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Die hard Yankee fans want this team to be in the World Series every year. Realistic? No, of course not. But, making a supreme effort to do so is mandatory for the fans and the franchise’s revenue stream.

    The off-season isn’t over yet and maybe Cashman will pull a rabbit out of his hat, but at least through today, it doesn’t seem as if Cashman was very prepared. Surely he knew last June that it was likely and possible respectively that Vazquez and Pettitte would not be back. Putting all one’s eggs in the Cliff Lee basket with no fallback option was a mistake.

    That having been said, I for one do not believe you get rid of the best prospects in your farm system precipitously. Players like Betances, Montero and Banuelos have the chance to be special, although there are no guarantees. I personally am not dealing them unless it’s for a King Felix or Josh Johnson type of impact player. We do have some valuable trade chips other than those three.

    Our key position players are a year older, more injury prone and will be in need of more regular rest and last year’s performance does not necessarily mean we will duplicate it. Say what you want about Boston overpaying but they got two of the best players in the game who are only 29 years old and locked them up for years to come.

    I think Hal and Cashman need to realize that other owners have money, the economy is recovering and that you have to pay premiums to get good players. I am talking not only about a pitcher for the rotation, but about an eighth inning guy and a good hitting utility player that can hit and spell A-Rod at third without losing too much power in the process.

    Yes, we still have one of the best teams in the big leagues, but it’s go time, we need to start filling these needs before any remaining players that can help disappear. I think we need to sign Soriano if he agrees to setup for Mo. If it costs $36 million for three years, so be it.

  29. blake December 19th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Danks is awesome. Im not sure why the Chisox would be moved to trade Floyd either with the contract he has…..

  30. SAS December 19th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    MTU,

    The weather is warmish and windy, windy, windy. It is supposed to rain tomorrow so we may go via Flagstaff instead of what we believe is a shortcut via Holbrook. We hope to arrive tomorrow if the weather allows.

    It was truly freezing day 1 and 2. Today was fine.

    I just left out the C in Tucumcari.

  31. Phishing in Pinstripes December 19th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Dont forget there will be plenty of pitching available before the trade deadline.

  32. blake December 19th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    I think the Yankees kinda did put all their eggs in the Lee basket but they really kinda had to if they were going to be in on him. When a player is going to cost 20+ million let year its tough to plan other things until that’s resolved. I doubt thy would have been in on Crawford or Werth anyway at those prices. I think the only thing they may reconsider knowing what they know now is the Haren deal…..I think they may would have pushed harder if they could go back in time but that’s in hindsight. There just weren’t a lot of players this winter in free agency that match the Yankee needs….namely starting pitchers.

  33. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Blake-

    I’m thinking we match up fairly well with the Sox.

    They could use a ML ready, or near ML ready catcher, and some pitching prospects.

    They have Beurhle, Danks, Peavy, Floyd, and Jackson.

    Maybe one of the righties is expendable. Either Floyd or Jackson ?

    I’d offer them Romine or Cervelli, and Nova. I’d rather exchange Nova for Floyd.

    If they wouldn’t bite on that I’d offer them one or two of our grade B
    AAA guys. For example, Phelps plus either Cervelli or Romine.

  34. Captain Clutch December 19th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Cashman has to make a trade and he better be prepared to do it. We know that he overvalues every prospect and is scared to trade any of them but if the deal makes sense he has to get it done. Obviously not Montero or the 2 b’s but the lower level prospects should all be available for the right player. Does anyone remember this comment from Cash at the winter meetings?

    “I am casting a very wide net with a lot of players, a lot of trade possibilities because I have to be ready to adjust on the run when necessary and so I’m putting ourselves in the position to do that.”

    Now it’s time for Cash to prove that he had/has a plan after Lee. So far it seems like it was Lee or bust.

  35. SAS December 19th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    No Greinke talk tonight. Did something happen missed?

  36. blake December 19th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    MTU,
    I think that would be a good move if they could get Floyd and not have to give up too much….I bet they would rather trade Jackson though.

  37. Captain Clutch December 19th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    I have a feeling the best Cashman is going to come up with is some journeyman with a 5 era from the NL. Like from the National or Pirates.

  38. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    SAS-

    Good luck with the remainder of your trip. It has been unusually cold and wet here. There is a massive low pressure sitting over the top us.
    More moisture than I have seen in my 6 years here. Way more.

    I guess you check the weather along your proposed route ?

    Flagstaff can be a bear if there is snow coming.

    Maybe head further south if weather is on the way.

  39. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Blake-

    Jackson is still better than Nova.

    He might be a consideration too.

    The guy pitched a no-no last year.

    Can Rothschild work even more magic on him ?

  40. blake December 19th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    MTU,
    yea, he costs 8 million more too though and would require prospects….he’s ok but I like Floyd better. Pettite coming back would certainly help things…..then they are just replacing Vasquez and not he and Vasquez.

  41. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Blake-

    If Pettitte decides to hang ‘em up we’re in deep voo doo.

    I hope he decides to listen to the voice of God when his Mo-ness calls.

    We need him.

    OK. I’ll stick with Floyd. I prefer him anyway.

  42. blake December 19th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    MTU,

    I thought Andy would definitly play if they got Lee but I still think he will…..he can still pit h and the Yanks need him. 13-15 million wont hurt either.

  43. JT December 19th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Cashman gambles and buys low.

    Gardner and Nova to LAA for Scott Kazmir.

  44. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Blake-

    What do you think for the 8th inning ?

    Heard some buzz about Rauch ?

    Any chance we aim a bit higher ?

  45. Carlo December 19th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    WCYF – I agree with you re soriano. The yankees generate a return on investment, simple as that. Invest in a team that will be there in October and the fans will come. SD showed last year that great pens go a long way. That’s a solid model to emulate right now given the starting pitching issues and the lack of guys available for us to pay for.

  46. tyanksfan36 December 19th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    I really hope Andy comes back and he should ask for and get the moon. We don’t know how he will fare if he comes back, but if he can stay healthy he should be able to win quite a few games for us. I can’t wait for spring training though when maybe some questions will be answered.

  47. West Coast Yankee Fan December 19th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Not funny JT!

  48. West Coast Yankee Fan December 19th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Carlo, the price for good relief pitchers is high right now to start, and if the Yankees have a shot at convincing Soriano to come here as opposed to closing for another team, we will have to pay a premium. That’s just the way it is.

    I’d put the odds at no better than 40%.

  49. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    I’d try to get AP on an incentive laden contract that takes him up to 15 mill based on IP but I doubt he’d go for it.

    He’s got us over a barrell and I’m sure he knows it.

    He’s in the driver’s seat.

  50. MaineYankee December 19th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    SAS

    My daughter taught on a reservation in Arizon for a year.

    I helped her drive out and we also stayed in Tucumcari on the way.

  51. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Now that Greinke is signed, and bruce Chen is probably gone, there won’t be many games for Joakim Soria to save. Forget about Soriano for a likely 3-4 year/12-13M per year Boras contract [ unless perhaps no teams that have $$$ need a closer now, where a 1-2 year reasonable deal might be had]. Make an offer for Soria.

    09:$1M, 10:$3M, 11:$4M, 12:$6M club option, 13:$8M club option, 14:$8.75M club option ($0.75M buyout for each option).

    He however does have a limited NT which includes the Yankees. Oh well.

    Me thinks the White Sox, if willing to trade a starter, would rather it be Jackson.

  52. Squeakz December 19th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Yanks should pull a Roger Clemens with Petitte and tell him to rest his old self and get ready for baseball by the end of June of early July sober can have him healthy for when it really matters

  53. Squeakz December 19th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Squeakz says:
    December 19, 2010 at 9:01 pm
    Yanks should pull a Roger Clemens with Petitte and tell him to rest his old self and get ready for baseball by the end of June of early July so we can have him healthy for when it really matters

  54. Carlo December 19th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    Does everyone realize that because everyone knows Andy only wants to pitch here, his leverage is retirement or pay. He won’t take incentives this time around. $15 mm one year deal and he is locked up.

    Frankly, I hope cashman wastes no time/effort on this by negotiating and playing hardball like an idiot.

    WCYF – right on. If soriano will set up, we go that direction. Not a lot of big spenders looking for closers right now so paying him what boras is currently asking probably gets it done (4 and 10 or so).

    Add soriano and go into opening day with this pen:

    Mitre
    Robertson
    Logan
    Joba
    Feliciano
    Soriano
    Rivera

    And a rotation of:

    Andy
    Cc
    Aj
    Hughes
    Nova

    Then look to be aggressive at the deadline. I don’t see us getting buried in the standings in the first half.

  55. blake December 19th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    MTU,

    Not sure…if they strike out on all other starter options then they could go after Soriano to at least give themselves a lockdown pen. They would have to overpay though and then give their first pick to Tampa so its a bit of a stretch to see them do that. Still lookin for that rabbit ;)

  56. comet December 19th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    SAS Greinke traded to the Brewers!

  57. SAS December 19th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Maine,

    Small world. The is a new La Quinta…very nice, but the bed is so high, the dog is going to kill herself jumping off, and if she does that, we are going to kill her…..lol

    —————————————————

    MTU,

    We are very careful about the weather. “Lead Foot” wants to get there in one piece.

    ——————————————–

    I prefer the pitchers we are talking about tonight than Greinke. I may be wrong. I love the idea of paying Soriano because when Mo retires, we have a closer.

  58. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Last years for Buehrle@ 14M, and Jackson @ 8.35M.
    Danks @ 3.45M 2010-arb eligible.
    Floyd @ 5M 2011 –> 7M 2012 –> 9.5M club option 2013.

  59. blake December 19th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Andy has all the leverage here if he decides he wants to play. The Yankees need him badly and if he wanted to enact a little revenge for that lowball offer they made him a couple years ago then he’s in prime position to do so….lets hope he’s not looking at it that way. The Yankees had better not baffle him with their offer or he might just stay in Texas and leave them 2 holes to fill.

  60. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    blake-

    It would be a wonderful Xmas present if AP were delivered to the Yanks before Santa hits the chimneys for the masses.

    :)

  61. Tom in N.J. December 19th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    Buehrle’s got “10-5″ rights and his and there is a clause in his contract that triggers another year onto his deal. Plus a one million dollar increase in his

  62. Tom in N.J. December 19th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    contract

  63. blake December 19th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Floyd’s contract is very affordable for a team like the White Sox. They would probably much rather deal Jackson because he makes more money in 2011, his deal is about up, and because Floyd is more consistent.

  64. JT December 19th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    OK. Here’s another one. Two mid-level prospects to KC, and we pick up half of 2011 ($5.5 Mil) for a healthy, innings-eating Gil Meche.

  65. SAS December 19th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    Comet,

    Thank you. That makes me happy, and the Selig family must be happy. Nothing to good for the Commish’s family.

  66. blake December 19th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    MTU,

    I predict he will be. :)

  67. ac1 December 19th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Just go right to the 16M they used to give Pettitte every year.

  68. blake December 19th, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Meche threw 61 inning last year and only 129 in 2009….I think I’d rather have Nova.

  69. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    In regards to Floyd:

    Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:19:12 -0800

    The Colorado Rockies have inquired about the availability of Chicago White Sox SP Gavin Floyd, according to The Denver Post’s Troy E. Renck. The White Sox asked about 3B Ian Stewart.

    Floyd was also shut down at the end of September ater complaining right shoulder stiffness. Don’t know what was diagnosed.

  70. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    Tom-

    A Buehrle trade triggers an escalator paying $1M raise to $15M annually, plus a guaranteed fifth year paying $15M for 2012.

  71. Cashman needs to go December 19th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    I expect to hear this week that Andy is coming back and then Cashman has to come up with one more pitcher..

    *********

    Even if andy does sign expect our #’s 3, 4 & 5 pitchers in june to be Mitre, Nova and Burnett (once andy gets hurt again)..and joba as the EIG…

    3rd place this year – but at least cash and hal’s dream of having a sub 200 million payroll will come true this year

  72. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Would Soria agree to a trade to the Yankees, learning from Mo and taking over from him? He won’t have too many save opportunities now with the Royals.

  73. JT December 19th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Meche threw 61 inning last year and only 129 in 2009….I think I’d rather have Nova.

    ————

    But this is the time to buy low on a guy who was good for 200+IP/year and is heading into a contract year. This kind of a deal costs the Yanks little and could have a big upside. The high quality guys are nearly unattainable. These are the kinds of gambles you take at this point.

  74. Carlo December 19th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Why are we trading heavy high end prospects for Soria when there are free agent pen arms available for cash only?

  75. blake December 19th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    I think I would rather sign Soriano for the money than to give the Royals what they’ll ask for Soria. He’s on a really team friendly deal that really isn’t close to over….they probably would trade him but not cheaply I wouldn’t think.

  76. blake December 19th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    JT,

    eh, Meche was never much more than mediocre even when he was healthy…I’d rather gamble on somebody else if I’m gambling.

  77. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    The only true legitmate closer left is Soriano. Rauch, Gregg are left with closer experience and they aren’t anything special to take over as setup men. If the Yankees sign Pettitte for 13-14M, their payroll will be around 202M. If Soriano is added it’ll likely add another 12-13M, and would be over last years payroll.
    Unless Boras can’t find a taker for Soriano, “maybe” he does a 1 year 15M contract and enters the FA market next year. Big gamble as Soriano had elbow issues in the past, a second time after his Tommy John surgery.

  78. Giuseppe Franco December 19th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Why would an elite closer in his prime want to pitch the 8th inning for the Yanks?

    Not gonna happen.

    saves = $$$$$

    They’re not going to get a guy like Soria or Soriano to pitch the 8th inning when Mo is signed for at least two more seasons.

    Yankee fans may think it’s a privilege to set up for Mo but closers in their prime would beg to differ.

  79. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    Soria had 43 saves last year, appearing in 66 games. How many save chances will he have with the Royals currnet starting rotation?

  80. blake December 19th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    “Why would an elite closer in his prime want to pitch the 8th inning for the Yanks?”

    only if he gets more money and years to set up. The Yankees could probably offer him enough that he’d set up if they wanted to….I doubt they’ll want to though. It would probably take 4 year’s I’d imagine as other non-closer relievers have gotten 3 years this winter.

  81. Carlo December 19th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Guiseppi – closers in their prime think about one thing and it aint mariano and it aint the last out of a win……..prime years = cash years. You get it wherever you can.

  82. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    What teams are left who need a closer and have the money to pay Soriano? Nationals? Angels claim they’re using Rodney.

  83. Tom in N.J. December 19th, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    YT, thanks.

  84. blake December 19th, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    The Royals are going to be terrible next year…they may lose 110 games so its true that Soria isn’t going to get many save opportunities in 2011….but they do have several prospects on the way and are likely hoping to be competitive by 2012 or 2013.

    So they probably are going to want Soria for those years more than next year. They might trade him but it won’t be cheap right now.

  85. blake December 19th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    If the Rangers are smart then they’ll sign Soriano to close and move Feliz to their rotation.

  86. Gary December 19th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Catching up after traveling all day. Just watched the Giants recording from today, UNBELIEVABLE

  87. RS December 19th, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Soria might actually have a lot of save opportunities. If the Royals win 65 games, at least 40 should be by a margin of 3 runs or less.

  88. Tar December 19th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Sign Andy and maybe take a chance on an incentive deal for Webb.

    That would give the Yankees time to see how things shake out during Spring Training. Maybe one of the young guns will open some eyes, maybe long shots like Prior or a Webb will make strong comebacks.

    Any trade right now, that doesn’t involve the Yankees taking on a lot of payroll, is going to be too costly in terms of prospects. The return is probably not going to be any better than in house options anyway.

    There is plenty of time to make a move. Patience

  89. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    If the Rangers are smart then they’ll sign Soriano to close and move Feliz to their rotation
    ———————————————————————

    I believe the Rangers prefer to leave Feliz where he is until he can develop some secondary pitches.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas.....-a-starter

  90. blake December 19th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    Trader,

    probably but I think that’s the best way improve their staff if they can’t work out a trade for Garza or somebody. Feliz should start at some point and they are just wasting time by not doing it now.

  91. West Coast Yankee Fan December 19th, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Well Nolasco is gone.

  92. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    Latest item mlbtraderumors on Soria:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

  93. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Nolasco gone where?

  94. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    Send Vazquez (right handed power) to play 3rd and 1st base, Nova, Adams/Joseph and Warren/Black/Phelps and get Soria and Meche and NYYs pay 3/4ths of his salary. Use Mech as long man/swingman.

  95. blake December 19th, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    Marlins, Nolasco On Verge Of Contract Extension
    By Mike Axisa [December 19 at 8:55pm CST]

    The Marlins and Ricky Nolasco are “putting the finishing touches” on a three-year contract extension worth $27MM, reports MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro. The deal is not yet finalized, but the two sides came close to agreeing to terms according to Frisaro’s source.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

  96. blake December 19th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    “Send Vazquez (right handed power) to play 3rd and 1st base, Nova, Adams/Joseph and Warren/Black/Phelps and get Soria and Meche and NYYs pay 3/4ths of his salary. Use Mech as long man/swingman.”

    if the Royals would do that then sign me up…price might be steeper right now though.

  97. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Would the Marlins be looking to trade some payroll by trading arb eligible Leo Nunez?

  98. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    then let them take two of Warren/Black/Phelps. Phelps is nearly ready and from Missouri…either that or take all of Meche’s contract.

  99. blake December 19th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    GB,

    sounds great….get Dayton Moore on the phone.

  100. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    GB7- Sign me up also.

  101. Tar December 19th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Gb

    Count me in.

  102. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    GB7-

    On second thought, what if we have to take Wilson Betemit also? lol

  103. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    GB-

    You do that and I’ll buy you beer and pizza for a month.

    :)

  104. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    What happened to our standards?

    We’ve plunged from Cliff Lee to Zack Greinke, to Carl Pavano and now we’re sweating Ricky Nolasco???

    If Cashman passed on Greinke I want to know.

    If Cashman passed on Greinke without someone better in mind, I want him fired.

    If his plan was indeed 150 million for Lee or bust then he needs to be canned.

    No billion dollar company should operate with that kind of rigidity and lack of foresight. I’m really struggling with the idea that this team is stuck while the Red Sox catapult past us.

  105. Tar December 19th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Blake

    You do realize we both just agreed to trade a Tar Heel. :D

  106. blake December 19th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    GB,

    did you get through to Dayton yet….we’re going over Cashman’s head on this one….time for action :)

  107. blake December 19th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    Tar,

    yes :(

  108. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
    Send Vazquez (right handed power) to play 3rd and 1st base, Nova, Adams/Joseph and Warren/Black/Phelps and get Soria and Meche and NYYs pay 3/4ths of his salary. Use Mech as long man/swingman.

    **********

    CHIP HACKED GREENBERET’S ACCOUNT!!!

  109. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    GB-

    And I’ll make sure Rachett never bothers you again.

    ;)

  110. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    If KC takes the extra pitcher, the cost in salary would cost the Yanks $12 mil for the two this year. If they prefer losing the complete salary, it costs NYY $16 mil this coming season. Still vlose to what Soriano would get,

  111. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    GB-

    I freakin’ love the idea of getting Soria.

    :)

  112. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    Let’s see now. Adding Pettitte, Meche, Soria, Montero, Keppinger,Laird.

    Return of the offensive players who had off years-Jeter-Tex-ARod-Posada-Granderson,I’m excited now. Good night all!!

  113. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    If we could get soria via meche I wouldn’t care if we used meche to scoop up cowpies.

  114. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Bad things happen in 3′s doncha know. DeJesus to the A’s, Greinke to the Brewers and Soria to the…..not the Yankees…

  115. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
    GB-

    And I’ll make sure Rachett never bothers you again

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I want an incentive laden contract. Beer and pizza for me for 2 years, and beer and pizza for “Killer” for 1 year….dog years. Also, you have to pay the freight to ship Nurse Karloff to Randy. He deserves a gift like that. He’s my friend.

  116. cs in la December 19th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Did anyone just hear Costas bag on NY sports on the Pats/GB game? UNreal.

  117. blake December 19th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    “If KC takes the extra pitcher, the cost in salary would cost the Yanks $12 mil for the two this year. If they prefer losing the complete salary, it costs NYY $16 mil this coming season. Still vlose to what Soriano would get,”

    After 2011 though it would be cheaper because Meche drops off and Soria’s option is only for 6 million in 2012

  118. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    If we had Soria and Mo almost every game would be over after 7.

  119. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    GB-

    I’m a nice guy. I’ll buy your beer and pizza for 2 months, and I’ll put it in writing that ratchett goes exclusively to Randy.

    Forget killer though. Can’t stoop that low.

    :)

  120. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    If Meche helps win 5 games, he’s worth it for the 1 year.

  121. backbench December 19th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    Big AL’s idea wasn’t bad either. Pay Soriano what it takes and shorten the game from the last inning forward.

    Soriano takes a percentage of the close opportunities, splitting the job with Mo [Helping to sooth any ego issues]. We need to start that transition anyway, and I for one would not like to face a season without Mo and without a suitable replacement that had already been polished as an “apprentice” to the Great One.

    Shortening the game to 6 innings with Soriano and Mo ++ would make AP’s role easier and Nova’s 6 inning limit workable.

  122. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    If we could AP signed up and Soria before Xmas I can die a happy Man.

    I won’t even fret about Nova until the TD.

    :)

  123. blake December 19th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Soriano would be nice as well but it might take 4 years and 50 million or so to get him to accept a set up role. I have to believe some team will offer him a closer job.

  124. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Soria is Waaaaaaay better than Soriano.

    As in “El Mucho” better.

  125. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Beer and pizza for me for one year….Coor’s Light and Little Caesar’s only. “Killer gets PBR and Pizza Hut for a year. He has no taste anyway. I can always shop my offer to others.

  126. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    GB-

    See what Blake is willing to do. That’s too rich for my blood.

    Shop it, as Cashman likes to say.

    ;)

  127. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    Maybe we can chip in for Cashman to stay at Holiday Inn this week ?

    :)

  128. blake December 19th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    Soriano is pretty darn good as well…Soria is a lot younger and cheaper though.

  129. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    You can’t treat an icon like that. The media backlash will make you cave.

  130. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    GB-

    I’d have to be an Icahn to afford your terms.

    :)

  131. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    Marmol is a free agent in 2 years. I wouldn’t trade away prospects to get Soria while Mo is under contract. I’d sign Marmol when Mo is done.

  132. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    Bret-

    I want Soria. He makes Marmol seem like a furry little critter or something you put on toast.

    :)

  133. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    OK. just change “Killer’s beer to Lone Star Longnecks and frozen pizza. My last offer.

  134. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    GB-

    How about I just send Killer a year’s supply of doggie condoms instead ?

    Forget the beer.

    Priorities.

    :)

  135. backbench December 19th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    MTU,

    I don’t doubt your assessment of Soria. I just do not want to keep trading the top prospects away. As has been said before, there is a ‘brace of ponies’ under all of the verbiage we have thrown at the “B”s, Montero, and the rest, and I would like to see the next ‘Core Four’ emerge.

    They are in the system now. We just need to give them the chance to shine.

  136. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Backbench-

    I’ve got a Mancrush on Soria. Sorry.

  137. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Marmol is a furry little critter? Like a marmolsupial?

  138. BJK December 19th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
    What happened to our standards?

    We’ve plunged from Cliff Lee to Zack Greinke, to Carl Pavano and now we’re sweating Ricky Nolasco???

    If Cashman passed on Greinke I want to know.

    If Cashman passed on Greinke without someone better in mind, I want him fired.

    If his plan was indeed 150 million for Lee or bust then he needs to be canned.

    No billion dollar company should operate with that kind of rigidity and lack of foresight. I’m really struggling with the idea that this team is stuck while the Red Sox catapult past us.

    ————————————————————————————————-

    Agreed on a need for back-up plan.

    Disagree on Greinke. He had one great year. He has not proven to be on the same level as a Halladay, Lee, King Felix, Sabathia.

    Montero is going to mash for years. If he’s going to go, it better be for someone elite. Greinke is not elite yet, and therefore the price was too high.

  139. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    GB-

    My last offer. I’ll get Killer a bone signed by Ann Margaret to chew on for Life.

    That is absolutely my final final offer.

    :)

  140. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
    GB-

    How about I just send Killer a year’s supply of doggie condoms instead ?

    Forget the beer.

    Priorities

  141. SAS December 19th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    GB,

    You haven’t had pizza ’til you’ve had NY thin crust pizza. You got to go for that to be shipped to you hot and ready to eat. There is no chain that makes great pizza.

    Dogs eat lots of things including this putrid food we have to give pup from a can. It stinks!!!

  142. JM December 19th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    Saw the Costas thing. I think it was inevitable given the Giants collapse and the Cliff Lee saga ending the way it did. Still, it was irritating. LOL.

  143. backbench December 19th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    “I?ve got a Mancrush on Soria. Sorry.”

    Then it’s settled. Soria it is.

  144. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
    GB-

    How about I just send Killer a year’s supply of doggie condoms instead ?

    Forget the beer.

    Priorities

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    He needs the beer. You should see some of the females he runs with….real dogs.

  145. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    GB-

    Yeah. somethin’ like that. We’ve got ‘em out here. They make excellent roadkill for the Ravens. You must know Marmol’s.

    They are related to Marmots.

    :)

  146. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    Gb-

    “He needs the beer. You should see some of the females he runs with….real dogs.”

    I bet he spends a lot of time in the doghouse.

    My offer wasn’t for the birds you know.

  147. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    SAS December 19th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
    GB,

    You haven’t had pizza ’til you’ve had NY thin crust pizza. You got to go for that to be shipped to you hot and ready to eat. There is no chain that makes great pizza.

    Dogs eat lots of things including this putrid food we have to give pup from a can. It stinks!!!

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    SAS, good evening. Hope your trip is going well.

    The best pizza I’ve ever had was Conan’s Chicago Style Deep Dish Pizza with whole wheat crust..called a Savage.

  148. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    and GB. Let’s not forget that autographed bone from Ann Margaret.

    Hard to top that.

    It will make him forget all about his beer.

    He’ll think of other things.

  149. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    BJK,

    I understand passing on Greinke if it cost Montero but passing on Greinke without someone better in mind is a poor decision given the Yankees rotation. Even with Pettitte back, I think we miss the playoffs…and how can you trade Montero for 3 months of Lee but not 2 years of Greinke? There better be a GM in Seattle who still hot for Montero.

  150. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Hell….I’ll keep the Ann-Margret signed bone for me. “Killer” prefers Lassie.

  151. jacksquat December 19th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Soira has a no trade to the Yanks, right?

    He might hold out for a contract renegotiation…

  152. ac1 December 19th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    lets hear the complaining about the yankees signing lowly luis vizcaino instead of a big name FA or huge trade…

  153. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    GB-

    Why am I NOT surprised.

    ;)

  154. ac1 December 19th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    soria has many of the good teams on his no-trade because he knows there is the chance they would trade for him, so he wants control.

  155. West Coast Yankee Fan December 19th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    Luis Viscaino – here we come number 28!

  156. ac1 December 19th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
    BJK,

    I understand passing on Greinke if it cost Montero but passing on Greinke without someone better in mind is a poor decision given the Yankees rotation. Even with Pettitte back, I think we miss the playoffs…and how can you trade Montero for 3 months of Lee but not 2 years of Greinke? There better be a GM in Seattle who still hot for Montero.

    ___

    Besides Boston (according to espn), who exactly in the AL is still better than the Yankees even without Lee?

  157. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    Yankees Sign Luis Vicaino
    By Mike Axisa [December 19 at 9:47pm CST]
    The Yankees have signed right-hander Luis Vizcaino to a minor league contract according to Marc Carig of The Star Ledger (via Twitter). If he makes the team, he’ll earn $750K.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Strictly minor league fill to replace Albaladejo.

  158. West Coast Yankee Fan December 19th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    Good to have bodies in AAA – for all the guys we will be calling up.

  159. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    Soria wants control. Fine. I’ll give him a signed check and say you fill in the amount.

    The guy is deadly. A teenage version and likeness of his Mo-ness.

  160. ac1 December 19th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Soria may not want to be an 8th inning guy for 2 or more years.

  161. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Listen. You folks are effing up my Soria dream.

    Get out of this astral plane NOW !

  162. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    ty[ical whining from the usual suspect. You don’t even know if Greinke was even offered to NY or for who, or, if he refused to agree to going to NY.

  163. ac1 December 19th, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    I have to assume that Cashman has already gone to KC to figure out what it would take to get Soria.

  164. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Then he needs to figure harder.

    ;)

  165. ac1 December 19th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    KC’s deal with Miilwaukee looks just like the Santana deal between the Twins and Mets. Asked for a lot more from NY and Bos and took ALOT less from the Mets.

    KC most likely asked for a lot more from us than they got from Milwaukee.

  166. SAS December 19th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    GB,

    As a Yankee fan, I expected NY pizza to be your priority. I’ll forgive you though. I like very thin crust.

    The trip has been good. We have made excellent time with Lead Foot doing all the driving. We are planning a long day tomorrow and hope to be home by nightfall. It is supposed to rain, so we shall see.

    —————————————————————-

    We need a Pettitte type pitcher plus Andy. Then I’ll take Soria for dessert.

  167. BJK December 19th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
    BJK,

    I understand passing on Greinke if it cost Montero but passing on Greinke without someone better in mind is a poor decision given the Yankees rotation. Even with Pettitte back, I think we miss the playoffs…and how can you trade Montero for 3 months of Lee but not 2 years of Greinke? There better be a GM in Seattle who still hot for Montero.

    ————————————————————————————————–

    3 months of Cliff Lee would have probably resulted in another World Series Championship. I don’t think Greinke does that. Plus, Cashman thought at the time he’d be able to re-sign Lee. He is on record for being glad the trade didn’t go through knowing now what he didn’t know then (obviously.)

    If Andy comes back, and I think he will, this is essentially the same team that won 95 games last year. AJ can’t pitch worse, and whoever replaces Vazquez can’t be much worse either.

    I’d rather see them struggle one year than trade Montero for a pitcher who isn’t A+++. What if King Felix or Josh Johnson were to suddenly become available, and we already traded away our best chip? I don’t know about you, but that would infuriate me.

  168. West Coast Yankee Fan December 19th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    Some fans pay way too much attention to stats. Citing Greinke as having had only one great year as supposed evidence that he is not that good is a perfect example. Suffice it to say that professional scouts, GM’s and talent evaluators see it differently.

  169. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    SAS, that’s great. Ya’ll have a very safe trip “home”. Hate driving in the rain. Too many fools out there taking too many chances,

  170. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    SAS-

    Let’s have a Soria sorbet together. Make mine peach.

    Yum.

    Be safe in your travels.

    :)

  171. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    BJK December 19th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
    Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
    BJK,

    I understand passing on Greinke if it cost Montero but passing on Greinke without someone better in mind is a poor decision given the Yankees rotation. Even with Pettitte back, I think we miss the playoffs…and how can you trade Montero for 3 months of Lee but not 2 years of Greinke? There better be a GM in Seattle who still hot for Montero.

    ————————————————————————————————–

    3 months of Cliff Lee would have probably resulted in another World Series Championship. I don’t think Greinke does that. Plus, Cashman thought at the time he’d be able to re-sign Lee.

    ************

    Same with Greinke. Cashman could easily think they could sign Greinke after 2 years. It’s 3 months of Lee vs. 2 years of Greinke when you assume both would be resigned at the end of their deals.

    Cashman better have a good idea or an inside tipoff that Felix Hernandez or Josh Johnson could be available to the Yankees for the right price. I’d want Cashman to have a strong signal that he can use Montero to get one of those guys…not just a blind hope.

  172. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    Night folks.

    Since it can’t hurt to dream.

    I’ll envision Soria taking the mound for the first time in Pinstripes.

    And the players in the opposing dugout heading for their lockers cause they KNOW it’s over.

    ;)

  173. SAS December 19th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    Good night MTU,

    Thanks

    =================================

    :arrow: Yanees reported agree to minor league deal

  174. SAS December 19th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    *Yankees

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