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Yankees reportedly agree to minor league deal with Vizcaino

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 19, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

From my good friend Marc Carig…

The Yankees have agreed to a minor league deal with right-handed reliever Luis Vizcaino. He will reportedly make $750,000 if he makes the big league roster.

You might remember Vizcaino from 2007 when he pitched out of the Yankees bullpen, having come over from Arizona in the Randy Johnson trade. He hasn’t pitched in the big leagues since 2009, but he has good number in the Dominican this winter (11.2 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 11 K). That includes a stretch of one hit allowed in nine appearances.

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141 Responses to “Yankees reportedly agree to minor league deal with Vizcaino”

  1. Carlo December 19th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    Sweet – I see heading of “yankees reportedly” and for the first time this offseason I am excited…..then I read about this garbage.

  2. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    re: Josh Johnson or Felix Hernandez

    Cashman better have a good idea or an inside tipoff that Felix Hernandez or Josh Johnson could be available to the Yankees for the right price. I’d want Cashman to have a strong signal that he can use Montero to get one of those guys…not just a blind hope.

  3. Yanks78 December 19th, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    If the Yankees signed him… he probably agreed to play for free. Otherwise, he would be too expensive for them.

  4. NYY fan in NH December 19th, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    The news just keeps getting better and better with these washed up, has been pitchers that won’t opening day roster. Give me something I can work with!

  5. MTU December 19th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    NH-

    Are you Joe Girardi in disguise ?

    Fess up.

    :)

  6. BJK December 19th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan December 19th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
    Some fans pay way too much attention to stats. Citing Greinke as having had only one great year as supposed evidence that he is not that good is a perfect example. Suffice it to say that professional scouts, GM’s and talent evaluators see it differently.

    ————————————————————————————————

    I’m assuming you were referring to my post?

    If so, I never said Greinke was “not that good.” I said he has yet to prove that he was elite.

    Maybe someday he’ll be elite, but he isn’t yet. He hasn’t put teams on his back and carried them like Sabathia. He hasn’t mowed down opponents without breaking a sweat in the post-season. He hasn’t put together multiple great seasons.

    I’ve also read opinions of professional scouts and talent evaluators who feel like Greinke may have underperformed this year because he was bored in Kansas City. Cliff Lee didn’t need extra motivation while he was banished to awful Seattle. Because he’s elite.

    Every player has a cost. Greinke is a very good pitcher. But the cost for him was too high, and I’m thankful Cashman didn’t panic and give up Montero for him.

  7. 4time December 19th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Bret – If either of those guys were truly available… 29 other teams will be lining up to empty their farm system (for Felix especially). Thus, Cashman will probably cite the price as being “too high” and he will settle for Jeremy Guthrie.

    I really think he was blindsided when Lee turned down his money.

  8. BJK December 19th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2010 at 11:05 pm
    re: Josh Johnson or Felix Hernandez

    Cashman better have a good idea or an inside tipoff that Felix Hernandez or Josh Johnson could be available to the Yankees for the right price. I’d want Cashman to have a strong signal that he can use Montero to get one of those guys…not just a blind hope.

    ——————————————————————————————–

    I think herein lies the difference in our philosophies, Bret.

    If Hernandez or Johnson aren’t available, I’m content having Montero mashing in our line-up for the next decade.

  9. REZ12 December 19th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    A little early to be going dumpster shopping, no?

  10. DaSaint007 December 19th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Ok, so earlier I posted that the Yankees may consider Jose Veras.

    My bad.

    Luis Vizcaino.

    Maybe Jose Veras is next.

  11. West Coast Yankee Fan December 19th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    BJK – I didn’t like the idea of giving up Montero for Greinke. But, Greinke’s arm and stuff is top drawer.

  12. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Vizcaino is nothing but a minor league filler…Jesus Christ…stop the whining

  13. DaSaint007 December 19th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Does anyone have any feeds or links to info pertaining to other teams inquiring about any of our pitchers or players?

  14. Carlo December 19th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Quangormo

  15. DaSaint007 December 19th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Who me, whine? Not in my DNA.
    Actually, I think they should look into a minor league deal and ST invite for Veras.

  16. GoYanks December 19th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    GB7,

    Also retired mil – a song to pump you up

    The Warrior Song

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTs6a0ORdQU

  17. Hopdevil December 19th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    So…if the Yanks opening day roster is the same as it stands today…which AL teams are hands-down, 110%, absolutely, positively guaranteed to be better”

  18. Carlo December 19th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    Saint – other people call cashman about deals……he let’s it ring 45 times……gotta have patience…..then he answers and says hello and starts “the process”. He doesn’t have call waiting and needs to leave the line open for andy though in case he calls.

  19. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    Simon, I wasb’t referring to you…the one that has spent the past 5 weeks whining about everything….the same one that repeats everything he says at least 10 times a day…along with his idiotic trade suggestions.

  20. Rich in NJ December 19th, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    *yawn*

  21. DaSaint007 December 19th, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    LOL @ Carlo.

  22. RSM December 19th, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    Is this the Nija-like Blockbuster we’ve been waiting for?
    ;)

  23. ChokeXOnXFailure December 19th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Over/under on him wearing 21 again, and The Paul O’Neill Faithful booing him off the field, even in the minors?

  24. BJK December 19th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan December 19th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
    BJK – I didn’t like the idea of giving up Montero for Greinke. But, Greinke’s arm and stuff is top drawer.

    ———————————————————————————————————

    Being an elite pitcher is more than an arm and stuff being top drawer.

    Plenty of talented pitchers don’t perform when the pressure is on. And this has nothing to do with whatever issues he had years ago. Some people just don’t perform in New York.

    And there’s no proof that Greinke would not have. But other candidates had much better resumes before coming to New York. As I said, Sabathia threw a team on his shoulders and carried them single-handedly to the playoffs. He is a Cy Young contender EVERY year. Cliff Lee auditioned for pinstripes when he waltzed into Yankee Stadium in the World Series and dominated without breaking a sweat.

    Greinke hasn’t sniffed a playoff game yet, nor has he pitched in a high-pressure situation. Until he does that, no matter how much raw talent he has, I can’t consider him elite.

  25. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    ChokeXOnXFailure December 19th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
    Over/under on him wearing 21 again, and The Paul O’Neill Faithful booing him off the field, even in the minors?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    If you’re going to attempt to be clever, try getting it right. It was Latroy Hawkins.

  26. coney1 December 19th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    ChokeX:

    That was LaTroy Hawkins

  27. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    BJK December 19th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
    Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2010 at 11:05 pm
    re: Josh Johnson or Felix Hernandez

    Cashman better have a good idea or an inside tipoff that Felix Hernandez or Josh Johnson could be available to the Yankees for the right price. I’d want Cashman to have a strong signal that he can use Montero to get one of those guys…not just a blind hope.

    ——————————————————————————————–

    I think herein lies the difference in our philosophies, Bret.

    If Hernandez or Johnson aren’t available, I’m content having Montero mashing in our line-up for the next decade.

    *********

    If Hernandez or Johnson aren’t/weren’t available, I think we’re much better off with Greinke as the #2 behind CC in a short series. We still have Russell Martin, Austin Romine and Gary Sanchez.

    If you can deal from a surplus and get a top shelf CY pitcher you should do it.

    It’s why Boston traded Hanley Ramirez for Josh Beckett and won a ring with Beckett.

    If Cashman passed on Greinke on account of Montero, then I hope Cash has a strong signal that he can get Josh Johnson or Felix for the right price starting with Montero. Hoping that these ace pitchers become available someday is a losing strategy.

  28. BIG AL December 19th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    It’s always the glass is half empty!

    Sign the Z -Man, use some extra savings to add padding to the clubhouse and dugout, and your all set.

    Anyone even dreaming of Felix or Johnson being available in a trade should seek help from Greinke’s doctor or Z-Man’s therapist.

  29. Giuseppe Franco December 19th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    ChokeXOnXFailedXAttemptXAtXCleverness

  30. BIG AL December 19th, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    You want to pry King Felix away from the M’s, you can start with the entire SWB roster, get real!

  31. Rich in NJ December 19th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    “Sign the Z -Man, use some extra savings to add padding to the clubhouse and dugout, and your all set.”

    Savings? 11:$17.875M, 12:$18M, 13:$19.25M vesting player option

    But hey, he might be worth if the Cubs don’t ask for much and pick up part of the contract.

  32. LGY December 19th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    Just skimming through some of the posts today, felt something should be corrected because I know many (myself included) would be interested in Buerhle.

    The escalator part of his contract where his salary bumps up and he gets an extra guaranteed year when traded, expired at the trade deadline last year.

    He just has a full no trade clause now with nothing attached to it if traded.

  33. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Big Al,

    No kidding. M’s fans say they’d want Cano + Hughes + Montero.

    I wouldn’t trade Cano for him straight up.

  34. BIG AL December 19th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    When the Red Sox traded Hanley Ramirez to the Marlins, he was struggling in AA ball, had a lot of potential, but was not showing it yet. Montero has already shown what he can, and may do in the future, but no team is going to trade such an elite pitcher for prospects, not when he’s cheap, and they have no need to.

  35. BoJo December 19th, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    Re: Vizcaino

    HAH! Take THAT Theo!!!

  36. Rich in NJ December 19th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    “I wouldn’t trade Cano for him straight up.”

    I agree because of the age of too many of the Yankees’ position players and the fragility of pitchers.

  37. BJK December 19th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    *********

    If Hernandez or Johnson aren’t/weren’t available, I think we’re much better off with Greinke as the #2 behind CC in a short series. We still have Russell Martin, Austin Romine and Gary Sanchez.

    If you can deal from a surplus and get a top shelf CY pitcher you should do it.

    It’s why Boston traded Hanley Ramirez for Josh Beckett and won a ring with Beckett.

    If Cashman passed on Greinke on account of Montero, then I hope Cash has a strong signal that he can get Josh Johnson or Felix for the right price starting with Montero. Hoping that these ace pitchers become available someday is a losing strategy.

    —————————————————————————————————–

    By the time we get to a short series, we’ll have time to add another pitcher at the deadline.

    Martin is a good buy-low option, but he’s just that… a buy-low. He may turn out to be a great signing, he may be the same catcher he has been the past two years. Romine is not in Montero’s class. Sanchez is 3-4 years away.

    When Boston traded Hanley for Beckett, Beckett had already shown he can dominate in the postseason. Greinke has yet to do that. And by the way, Boston could use Hanley right about now. Beckett led them to a ring, which is of course important, but since then over the past 3 years Beckett has not been the pitcher they thought they were getting.

  38. BIG AL December 19th, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    We almost lost Cano years ago in a dumb trade.

    Some day folks are going to look back on this off season and remark, we’re glad those trades didn’t go through.

    If the Yankees add a #3 or #4 SP, get to the trade deadline in good shape, there will be better pitchers available. That’s when you use your top prospect chips.

  39. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    Why does Buehrle have a .295 BAA in 2010?

    That concerns me.

  40. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Good night folks.

  41. 4 NYY December 20th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    Vizcaino is a little long in the tooth, but worth a chance for little money.

    Yanks should sign Soriano, even at closer money !!! Could close some now and certainly near future.

  42. 4 NYY December 20th, 2010 at 12:07 am

    Soriano has a .193 BAA LIFETIME !

  43. LGY December 20th, 2010 at 12:18 am

    “Why does Buehrle have a .295 BAA in 2010?”

    —————–

    Buerhle has always given up a lot of hits, but makes up for it by walking so few.

    Last year in particular was a bit weird though. His BABIP was .316 compared to a .293 career mark. Which is strange because his LD% was 15.9% last year. 3.7% lower than his career mark. So, he gave up less line drives, but his BABIP went up.

  44. Niblick December 20th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    I guess Mayday Malone wasn’t available.

  45. Rich in NJ December 20th, 2010 at 12:25 am

    As I have said, they should see how short a deal Pavano would accept. If not, fine, But see if he has the stones to show he can pitch in NY.

  46. 4 NYY December 20th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    Never Pavano in pinstripes again. He couldn’t handle then or NOW !!!

    Hope he goes to N.L.

  47. BJK December 20th, 2010 at 12:28 am

    The clubhouse hated Pavano while he was here. And Pavano trashed the Yankees on the way out, calling them unsupportive.

    Why would he want to come back? At the very least, he’s a hero in Minnesota. And why would the Yankees want to do Javier Vazquez part 2?

  48. 4 NYY December 20th, 2010 at 12:28 am

    Rather have Pettitte back than Buerhle

  49. 4 NYY December 20th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    The bullpen this year will make or break Yankees. SP also needed, of course.

  50. LGY December 20th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    “Rather have Pettitte back than Buerhle”

    ————-

    Why are they mutually exclusive?

  51. 4 NYY December 20th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Why are they mutually exclusive?

    Just rather have Andy for one final year. ( he deserves a nother yr. if he wants it )

    Someone other than Buerhle

  52. 4 NYY December 20th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    Rather see Nova for a full year than A J anymore at all.

  53. BJK December 20th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    I think LGY meant why can’t the Yankees have both Andy and Buerhle?

    My question is, why would Buerhle be available?

  54. Tyler December 20th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    This team still has a payroll approaching 200 million dollars and people have the nerve to call the team cheap? I’m starting to see why people hate Yankee fans. I am a fan of the St. Louis Blues also. They have the 3rd lowest payroll in hockey and refuse to make a move even with half of their team injured. That’s cheap. Every good Blue moves on after their initial contract and wins Stanley Cups with other teams because they are simply too expensive for the club. I’d die to have them spend like the Yankees. the Yanks don’t go crazy for one offseason money wise (and don’t forget they offered Lee 150 million but he obviously wanted to go back to Philly all along) and people bash the Steinbrenners… unbelievable. the real talent in the farm system is rising to the higher levels. The future is bright. Lets hope that the team doesn’t mess anything up by trading it off irrationally.

  55. jacksquat December 20th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    Pavano should come back and pitch a year at league minimum to make up for the many millions he did not earn while he was here.

  56. 4 NYY December 20th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    # BJK December 20th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    I think LGY meant why can’t the Yankees have both Andy and Buerhle?

    My question is, why would Buerhle be available?

    ==================================================

    And what price would it take to get him ?
    Buehrle gives up a lot of hits, ( walks few ) and doesn’t strike out many. Just not the type of SP for the left side of our infield or short dimensions down the lines. Andy may well become much the same this year, but….. who knows ?

  57. 4 NYY December 20th, 2010 at 1:01 am

    acksquat December 20th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    Pavano should come back and pitch a year at league minimum to make up for the many millions he did not earn while he was here.

    —————————————————————————–

    And the players union will okay blood testing, lie detector tests and a salary cap all this year !!!

    LMAO

  58. 4 NYY December 20th, 2010 at 1:04 am

    And, I might add, release the rest of the list of players caught cheating. ( for ONE year! )

  59. jacksquat December 20th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    Obviously I was not serious. :)

  60. jacksquat December 20th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    Monday Mendozas
    December, 20, 2010 Dec 2012:25AM Just in case you’re wondering why the Rays need to trade one of their starting pitchers before Opening Day, this is why.

    http://www.minorleagueball.com.....s-for-2011

    But I’m guessing there’s no chance they’d trade one to the Yankees.

  61. Nick in SF December 20th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    OMG, Cashman, get to work, only 6 days left to qualify for the Kringle Kup. :mad:

  62. Rich in NJ December 20th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    “Why would he want to come back? ”

    All I’m saying is to ask him if he wants to for one year.

  63. 4 NYY December 20th, 2010 at 1:30 am

    # jacksquat December 20th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    Obviously I was not serious.

    =====================================

    That’s why I joked also.

  64. BJK December 20th, 2010 at 1:49 am

    Rich in NJ December 20th, 2010 at 1:28 am
    “Why would he want to come back? ”

    All I’m saying is to ask him if he wants to for one year.

    —————————————————————————-

    And all I’m asking is why Carl Pavano would want to sign a 1 year contract somewhere when he’s getting multi-year contract offers, why he would want to leave a city where he is wanted and loved for a city where he is hated and a team he is loathed, and why the Yankees would want to pay him another dime after he left the team shamed?

  65. tyanksfan36 December 20th, 2010 at 2:12 am

    Re: rays 2011 prospects

    I went to two tampa yankees/charlotte stonecrabs(rays) and Matt Moore pitched them both. Those were two very depressing games for me and I usually don’t fret over the minor league games which is why I enjoy them so much. He is very good. Hopefully they keep him in the minors long enough for our guys to develop to compete.

  66. ChokeXOnXFailure December 20th, 2010 at 2:37 am

    # GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    ChokeXOnXFailure December 19th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
    Over/under on him wearing 21 again, and The Paul O’Neill Faithful booing him off the field, even in the minors?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    If you’re going to attempt to be clever, try getting it right. It was Latroy Hawkins.
    ———————————————————————————————

    God, you are so totally right. Ugh. Epic, epic, EPIC fail.

    Pardon me, I’m gonna be over here, beating myself in the groin repeatedly.

  67. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 3:30 am

    MTU -

    You out there?

  68. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 3:32 am

    I guess it’s time to get some sleep.

  69. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 7:42 am

    WOW – the blog is sleeping in.

  70. upstate kate December 20th, 2010 at 7:45 am

    good morning Al and any other early birds. I am here, but getting ready for our annual financial audit :( , so wont be around much the next few days :(

  71. Doreen December 20th, 2010 at 7:47 am

    Morning, Big Al.

    I just hate being the first to check in! :lol:

  72. blake December 20th, 2010 at 7:47 am

    Im here but am so excited about Luis Vizciano that I can’t think of anything to say.

  73. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 7:47 am

    kate -

    I was about to think I was alone in this world. Good morning, and good luck with all that work stuff.

  74. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 7:48 am

    blake -

    He’s just a filler for AAA, not the ML level, fear not.

  75. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 7:49 am

    Doreen -

    Good morning. No sleep, so I just sit here hoping to pass out.

  76. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 7:51 am

    Is everyone going to be up late/early to watch the lunar eclipse?

    I guess it’ll be me and MTU, if he gets up.

  77. Doreen December 20th, 2010 at 7:51 am

    Good morning, upstate kate and blake. I guess we were all waiting for someone else to start the day.

    upstate kate -

    Your financial audit may actually be more fun than hanging around here for now anyway. But it stinks to have to deal with that at this time of year. Scrooge must have started the tradition, I guess.

    blake -

    Sigh. Well, yaneverknow, right? ;) (Vizcaino)

  78. sunny615 December 20th, 2010 at 7:52 am

    One things we Yankee fans suck at – it’s being patient. Myself included.

    Cliff Lee, A Gon, Crawford, Werth, Greinke… Russell Martin, Vizcaino, Feliciano… snore…

    Now I know what the sox fans felt like two winters ago watching CC, AJ, and Tex sign with the Yankees.

  79. blake December 20th, 2010 at 7:53 am

    AL,

    I know… ;) I was just being a smart a#$.

  80. Doreen December 20th, 2010 at 7:53 am

    Big Al -

    What time is the lunar eclipse supposed to happen?

  81. jpb173 December 20th, 2010 at 7:53 am

    I’m simply reading tea leaves here but…all of these low-end moves (Pedro Feliciano, Mark Prior and Luis Vizcaino) seem to indicate that the Yankees are NOT going to make a big move for a starting pitcher. The Yanks may be hoping for Pettitte to come back but if he doesn’t they may be satisfied to go with a rotation of Sabathia, Burnett, Hughes, Chamberlain and Mitre/Nova/Brackman.

    The bullpen seems decent with Rivera, Roberston, Feliciano, Logan, Prior and Vizcaino. If Pettitte does return the Yankees could move Chamberlain back into the bullpen or let him become the 5th starter. If Andy doesn’t return, they could use the $$$ to add Soriano to the bullpen.

    There really isn’t too much need to spend a lot of money on starting pitching with guys like Brackman, Betances, Banuelos, Stonebrunner and Noesi in the minor leagues.

  82. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 7:53 am

    The longer we don’t hear from Andy, the more likely he’ll retire, hope I’m wrong.

  83. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 7:54 am

    Doreen -

    Starts around 1:17 AM, full eclipse at 2:47 to 3:15, there abouts.

  84. blake December 20th, 2010 at 7:54 am

    Doreen,

    Good to see you Erica and Kate around again. :)

  85. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 7:55 am

    On a happier note, is everyone ready for Christmas?

  86. upstate kate December 20th, 2010 at 7:57 am

    the good news is my son is home tomorrow, and I have 5 days off over Christmas…and lots to celebrate after the audit is finished

  87. Cashman needs to go December 20th, 2010 at 7:58 am

    Plan B in full effect – remember when we all made fun of the Red Sox for all these “low risk high reward” players? God Damn when did the yankees become the pirates with all these washed up players.

    I guess Cashy didn’t learn from his “re-sign sucky ex yankee players” like nick johnson and javy vasquez last year. Is Sidney Ponson not far behind? F’ing pathetic…

  88. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 7:59 am

    Kate -

    Family, that’s what it’s all about. My youngest son and his wife will be here for a week, Christmas to New Years. Shortly after that I have a friend from Mexico coming to visit for awhile, so we’ll be busy.

  89. jpb173 December 20th, 2010 at 8:00 am

    Vizcaino is a little long in the tooth, but worth a chance for little money.

    Yanks should sign Soriano, even at closer money !!! Could close some now and certainly near future.

    ————————————————————————————–

    We should only sign Soriano if Pettitte does not come back. The Yankees can’t afford to pay both Pettitte and Soriano. Its either one or the other…as for me, I’d rather Pettitte retire so that Yanks can sign Soriano. That would ensure a line of succession in the bullpen for the time when Rivera retires and would give an opportunity to Joba and some of the other young pitchers that the Yankees will need to build the next dynasty around.

  90. MTU December 20th, 2010 at 8:00 am

    Morning my fine feathered friends.

    Blake. I know what you mean. When I heard about Viz last night I too was so excited that I couldn’t wait to get up this morning to explore all of it’s ramifcations.

    The Sux are now in deep trouble because of that move.

  91. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 8:02 am

    MTU -

    Not you too ………….

  92. Mell December 20th, 2010 at 8:02 am

    “Im here but am so excited about Luis Vizciano that I can’t think of anything to say”

    Not positive, but I think I felt the earth shake upon this announcement.

  93. Doreen December 20th, 2010 at 8:02 am

    blake -

    I’m too addicted to stay away too long!!

    Big Al -

    Ugh. I don’t think I’ll make it. Unless I go to sleep early and then wake up for it. (Otherwise known as “fall asleep on the sofa while watching tv, wake up at 11:30, and instead of going up to bed, stay around for the eclipse).

  94. MTU December 20th, 2010 at 8:04 am

    New strategy.

    Let’s go for the throat.

    Sign Soriano and trade for Soria.

    We’d have the greatest lockdown BP in the history of Man.

    Almost every game would be over after the 6th inning.

    (I know it will never happen but I can dream, right ?).

    :)

  95. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 8:04 am

    And just why can’t the Yankees sign both Andy and Soriano?

    If Andy gets $12-$15M, Soriano another $12M, Lee alone was going to cost $23M

  96. jpb173 December 20th, 2010 at 8:05 am

    Soriano has a .193 BAA LIFETIME !

    ———————————————————————————

    Its easier to find/develop starting pitchers than a shut-down closer. Yanks should spend the money on Soriano even if they watch to let Pettitte retire.

  97. Mike Ri December 20th, 2010 at 8:05 am

    Cashman wants us to be PATIENT ! .

  98. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 8:07 am

    Patient – isn’t that what doctors have, patients?

  99. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 8:08 am

    The world of instant gratification!

  100. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 8:09 am

    Are these the same people that scream – Are we there yet?

  101. MTU December 20th, 2010 at 8:09 am

    Al-

    Sounds like you’ve got a great Xmas lined up.

    :)

  102. Doreen December 20th, 2010 at 8:10 am

    Big Al -

    Almost ready.

    I have two more batches of cookies to bake.

    I have to go food shopping for the meals. (Today or tomorrow)

    Then I have to prepare the food.

    I still have to wrap presents, but I’m doing that today.

    All in all, I’m in good shape, though. How about you?

    (Of course, I could write a book about all the peripherals, but it’s Christmas – good will and all, right?)

  103. Mell December 20th, 2010 at 8:10 am

    “The longer we don’t hear from Andy, the more likely he’ll retire, hope I’m wrong.”

    Anyone recall when he committed last year? I’m thinking it was shortly after the holidays. Early January. They really need him back this year.

  104. Mike Ri December 20th, 2010 at 8:12 am

    BiG Al –

    Patient ? isn?t that what doctors have, patients?

    – sorry . .haent’ had my coffee yet . lol lol lol

  105. Mike Ri December 20th, 2010 at 8:12 am

    BiG Al –

    Patient ? isn?t that what doctors have, patients?

    – sorry . .haent’ had my coffee yet . lol lol lol

  106. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 8:13 am

    Doreen -

    Done with the presents. Those not under the tree have already been shipped.

    We bought a bunch of Moravian cookies from the best baker of these type here in NC, and I have 3 of the 4 tins left, had to sample to be sure they were as good as we thought. My wife made 2 cheese cakes, a long process, but well worth it. We’re ready!

  107. MTU December 20th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    These mornings are just golden.

    What a pleasure you early morning people are.

    I mean it ! I’m not kidding.

    :)

  108. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 8:15 am

    Mell -

    If I recall correctly, it was during, or just after the winter meetings.

  109. Cashman needs to go December 20th, 2010 at 8:15 am

    Does anyone know who the projected #1 pick in the baseball draft in 5 years is? Since the yankees will have that pick it would be nice to follow his career now…of course that assumes the yankees will want to spend the money on a #1 pick – or they may go the cito culver route (pick a player thats not in the top 100 to save some money on the signing bonus)

    new 2011 Yankee slogan

    “The 2011 Yankees – no one saves money like we do!!”

  110. jpb173 December 20th, 2010 at 8:15 am

    And just why can’t the Yankees sign both Andy and Soriano?

    If Andy gets $12-$15M, Soriano another $12M, Lee alone was going to cost $23M

    ================================================

    Because Hal and Hank rightfully are tired of paying the luxury tax (40% of the $$$ over 170MM this year) to owners who are using that money to compete for players. The Yankees have been lowering their luxury tax obligation for the last two years (the time that big George has been out of the picture) and aren’t going to stop now. I don’t think the Yankees were ever really serious about adding Lee at $23 million…especially if they knew that Rivera was only going to be around for 2 more years.

    And, oh by the way, many top notch free agent pitchers are going to avaoid the Yankees because of their concern that there is no clear line of succession after Rivera. It would be a real downer to pitch 7-8 innings and see your work go out the window because Joba or Roberston can’t hold the lead. Much better to go to the National League where there’s a better chance of completing more games against teams that don’t use the DH.

    Get Soriano (on a long-term deal) and let Pettitte retire…even if it means we aren’t as good for 2-3 years. By then the Yankees will have cleared big salaries off the books like Burnett’s, Posada’s, Rivera’s and Jeter’s.

  111. Carlo December 20th, 2010 at 8:16 am

    Andy return dates: (this is when he signed his contracts)

    January 26, 2009 for 2009 season

    December 9, 2009 for 2010 season

  112. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 8:16 am

    Mike -

    If you enjoy the mornings so much, stop getting up so late. I was looking for you at 3:30, but you were MIA.

  113. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 8:17 am

    Carlo -

    You da man.

  114. disco stu December 20th, 2010 at 8:18 am

    As long as Andy returns there is really nothing big that Cashman needs to do during the off-season. I’m sure that there will be some sort of deal for a back-of-the-rotation starter who will either be given the 5th starter’s job or will compete for it with the Ivan Nova’s of the world in ST.

    I know that people want to kill Cashman for not moving quickly to get another pitcher after Lee signed with Philly last week. But honestly, what move out there was there for him to make during this past week? The Yankees never were serious about Greinke because of all the baggage that would have come with him (especially, since it would have been a trade and not a FA signing). The talent level of FA starting pitching is horrible now that Lee is off the board and no one knows for sure what pitcher is being peddled right now from which team.

    Cashman said it himself last week, “Our team doesn’t necessarily have to be complete during the off-season”. Unless you are a complete pessimist and think the Yankees are going to have a horrible 2011 and become “sellers” by next July’s trade deadline, at some point they will be in a position to make an impact move.

  115. MTU December 20th, 2010 at 8:18 am

    Al-

    I needed my beauty sleep. I wanted to look more like Gossage, or maybe just a goose.

    :)

  116. randy l. December 20th, 2010 at 8:18 am

    “Is everyone going to be up late/early to watch the lunar eclipse?”

    seems like there should be some sort of ritual sacrifice to guarantee a good crop of pitching .

  117. Mell December 20th, 2010 at 8:19 am

    December 9? That’s a lot sooner than I thought. Guess I’m a little worried about his return for 2011 now.

  118. upstate kate December 20th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    why is Soriano still available? hefty price tag? waiting for the Yankees? He would be a great addition.

  119. MTU December 20th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    Randy-

    How about that golfer ?

    We could start it off by burning his golf bag.

    :)

  120. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    randy l. -

    We already have a good crop of pitching, not yet ML tested, but good.

  121. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Back later.

  122. Doreen December 20th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Big Al -

    Cheesecakes – Yummy!

    I’m reserving judgment on our Yankees. But they weren’t in horrible shape going into the off-season, though they were nicked up a bit. The rotation is a concern, and Cliff Lee (or any established good pitcher) would have been an easy fix. Now, they may have to get creative, or we, the fans, may have to just be patient. Last season, the Yankees effectively had 3 and a half good pitchers (AJ and Javy each had one good run apiece, plus the Andy Pettitte substitutes did okay – not great, but okay) and managed to get deep into the playoffs. Not saying I want that to happen again, but just trying to keep things in perspective.

  123. Doreen December 20th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    randy l -

    What kind of sacrifice did you have in mind?

  124. Carlo December 20th, 2010 at 8:26 am

    I dont think we need to worry about when Andy signed in years past. Every offseason is different and takes a different course…….I believe Andy will be back. Either way, he will make an announcement one way or another so I dont think reading into when tells us much of anything. Frankly, the more time that passes without him saying “i am hanging it up” leads me to believe he is definitely returning.

  125. MTU December 20th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    For a sacrifice, I recommend we burn Randy Levine at the stake.

    Kind of a slow roast on a spit.

  126. Carlo December 20th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    By the way, the golf story yday with the bag toss in the water was truly an enjoyable read. Much appreciated.

  127. Mell December 20th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    “why is Soriano still available? hefty price tag? waiting for the Yankees? He would be a great addition.”

    Price tag, in particular length of contract, as measured against a somewhat checkered history of health. Don’t think he’s waiting for the Yankees, as all reports indicate he wants to close. He’s a Boras guy, and unless a godfather offer like the one Werth got comes along, Boras guys thend to sign late.

  128. pat December 20th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    Whenever I read people gets so down on teams taking a flyer on a minor league contract or inking players that really cost them nothing I think of 2 words- Aaron Small.

    Imagine what the blog reaction would have been to that deal.

  129. 86w183 December 20th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Soriano is out there because he wants a big-time closer money and there aren’t many teams looking for that. I still expect him with the Angels.

    I would try to convince him of the benefits of taking a one year deal to set up Mariano and re-enter the market when other teams will be shopping for closers.

    I’d probably fail, but I’d try

  130. Carlo December 20th, 2010 at 8:34 am

    # pat December 20th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    Whenever I read people gets so down on teams taking a flyer on a minor league contract or inking players that really cost them nothing I think of 2 words- Aaron Small.

    Imagine what the blog reaction would have been to that deal.
    ——————————————————————————

    I remember my reaction the day Cashman declared we had plenty of pitching heading into the 2006 season and had small, chacon, and j wright earmarked for two rotation spots. it wasnt a positive response to say the least.

  131. Doreen December 20th, 2010 at 8:35 am

    Unless they could guarantee Soriano the chance to save games as well as setting up Mariano, I don’t think there’s a snowball’s chance in Hades of him signing with NY.

    Mariano better be good these next 2 years!!!

  132. Mell December 20th, 2010 at 8:36 am

    “I would try to convince him of the benefits of taking a one year deal to set up Mariano and re-enter the market when other teams will be shopping for closers”

    Boras would remove his own kidney with a swiss army knife before he’d have Soriano sign such a deal. If he can’t score after being arguably the best closer in the AL in 2010, how’s he going to score off a year of setting up? I think you’re right. Probably ends up with the Angels in the end.

  133. MTU December 20th, 2010 at 8:37 am

    I believe I’m correct in saying that Soriano is a Boras client.

    Boras tends to be very patient and let things play out.

    He is always looking for that one “dumb owner” to fleece.

    His MO almost always involves trying to generate a bidding war with
    a “mystery team” of his invention being included.

    The Yankees are playing that game any more.

    Good luck Scott.

  134. MTU December 20th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    edit: “aren’t”. sorry.

  135. upstate kate December 20th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    I guess Soriano isn’t in the cards then…I was just kidding about the waiting for the Yankees comment

  136. jcny21 December 20th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    Im waiting to hear that the Yankees traded for Scott Proctor!!!

  137. MTU December 20th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Kate-

    Not unless his market dries up considerably. Then Boras might have to punt.

    He pretty much has to go to a big market team otherwise.

    How many of those need a closer, and how many could afford the freight even if they did ?

    Lot’s of luck Boras.

  138. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    What would Soriano’s feelings be if he were offered a 4 year deal at $12/, and told he would share the closers job until Mo retired. Mo could pitch more than 1 inning if need be, knowing he’d get the next day or 2 off.

    I don’t think he’ll sign with any team for less than 4 years.

  139. BIG AL December 20th, 2010 at 8:52 am

    jcny21 December 20th, 2010 at 8:49 am
    Im waiting to hear that the Yankees traded for Scott Proctor!!!

    ————————————————————–
    Scott said he’d only come back if the man that made his career what it is was the manager, but Torre already retired.

  140. austinmac December 20th, 2010 at 9:26 am

    The Yankees have clearly changed their business model. They will no longer overpay, and this board seems generally delighted that the team will take this stance. I disagree. The way the Yankees have had their long run of success is, at least in part, is the willingness to overpay. That has been their advantage. Now, they will, apparently, compete on an equal level for future players.

    This means, no Soriano because that would mean overpaying for an EIG. That meant no blowing teams out of the water with offers per CC. It means no trades where a big salary is picked up. It means we better hope the Yankees top ten minor league prospects better be able to defeat the better organizations.

    I never minded overpaying and having people complain of the payroll. There is no trophy for lowering payroll. I understand they want to increase profitability. As a fan, in don’t have to like it.

  141. 86w183 December 20th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    I respectfully disagree with Austinmac —-

    The Yanks overpaid for Rivera and Jeter this off-season and tried to overpay for Lee.
    There have to be some limits to any team’s largesse and the Yanks have seemed to strike a pretty good balance.

    Let’s not forget that Hal Steinbrenner held the line on the 2009 payroll and refused to allow Cashman an expensive addition (Mike Cameron). How’d that turn out?

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