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The best of what’s left

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 21, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The remaining free agent market is rich in two areas: Designated hitters and relief pitchers. The Yankees have no need for a DH, but I could see them dipping into that relief market one more time before spring training. Here’s my 25-man roster using only remaining free agents. It’s a stretch to say the least.

Lineup
Johnny Damon, CF
Edgar Renteria, SS
Adrian Beltre 3B
Jim Thome, DH
Vladimir Guerrero, RF
Manny Ramirez, LF
Adam LaRoche, 1B
Bengie Molina, C
Cristian Guzman, 2B

I’ve decided to punt on outfield defense. This is probably the worst defensive outfield ever assembled, so I’ll just hope that everything is hit to third base.

Bench
Scott Podsednik, OF
Derrek Lee, 1B
Jerry Hairston Jr., UT
Josh Bard, C

Is it bad that a left fielder is my defensive replacement in center?

Rotation
Andy Pettitte
Carl Pavano
Kevin Millwood
Chris Young
Brandon Webb

Obviously I don’t want anything hit in the air, so I’ll roll the dice with Webb’s sinker in the No. 5 spot. Let’s face it, a lot of things are going to have to right for this team anyway. As for who gets the nod for the No. 1 spot in the rotation, I think I know my audience.

Bullpen
Rafael Soriano
Grant Balfour
Brian Fuentes
Kevin Gregg
Jon Rauch
Arthur Rhodes
Brad Penny

I figure I’ll need someone who can throw more than one inning at a time, so I’ll take shot on Penny in the bullpen. Added bonus: It might keep him healthy.

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151 Responses to “The best of what’s left”

  1. Irreverent Discourse December 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    The Los Angeles Times’ Mike DiGiovanna reports that the Angels have pulled their offer to Adrian Beltre but “have not shut any doors” on signing him.

    lol… boras takes strike 2 looking.

  2. Chip December 21st, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    That’s a team that could probably win the NL West.

  3. Chip December 21st, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Chip December 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pm
    ac1 December 21st, 2010 at 3:48 pm
    Ok this has to be said again. I dont know who will be #4 and #5 but i would bet a lot of money neither is Sergio Mitre.

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    I would agree with you – but for this odd fascination that Girardi and Cashman seem to have with Mitre. I mean I would have bet good money that he wouldn’t be on the team last year or this coming year at all – they seem to love the guy though.

    I think it needs to be pointed out that while some pitchers do have more life on the fastball after TJ surgery a generally crummy pitcher pre-TJ is probably going to be a generally crummy pitcher post-TJ too.

  4. Irreverent Discourse December 21st, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    oh btw, Chad’s FA team would finish over .500 and probably compete for WC in the NL.

  5. Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    # Chip December 21st, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Chip December 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pm
    ac1 December 21st, 2010 at 3:48 pm
    Ok this has to be said again. I dont know who will be #4 and #5 but i would bet a lot of money neither is Sergio Mitre.

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    I would agree with you – but for this odd fascination that Girardi and Cashman seem to have with Mitre. I mean I would have bet good money that he wouldn’t be on the team last year or this coming year at all – they seem to love the guy though.

    I think it needs to be pointed out that while some pitchers do have more life on the fastball after TJ surgery a generally crummy pitcher pre-TJ is probably going to be a generally crummy pitcher post-TJ too.
    —————————————-

    Exactly……and how long does the glow of the post tommy john effect last for mitre? can he finally be declared to be flagrantly mediocre after two full seasons post surgery?

  6. ac1 December 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Give Brad Penny a chance. I know he didnt work out with Boston but I still feel more confident with him than Mitre. I’ll assume Ivan Nova probably will take one of the spots.

  7. Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse December 21st, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    oh btw, Chad’s FA team would finish over .500 and probably compete for WC in the NL.
    ————————————–

    with any health luck, that teams rotation is better than ours.

  8. ac1 December 21st, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Exactly……and how long does the glow of the post tommy john effect last for mitre? can he finally be declared to be flagrantly mediocre after two full seasons post surgery?

    ___

    I think we are all convinced we have seen what Mitre can do, and are underwhelmed.

    Truthfully, i feel like Gaudin had some good moments at least. Cant remember any from Serg.

  9. joeman December 21st, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    # joeman December 21st, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Mitre & Nova should be no more than long RP….not the # 4 & 5 SP on this team…..

    CC..ace
    Hughes.. should be better in 11
    AJ….who knows
    Nova….one time around the order & he’s done
    Mitre….is a waste

  10. Chip December 21st, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    ac1 December 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm
    Give Brad Penny a chance. I know he didnt work out with Boston but I still feel more confident with him than Mitre. I’ll assume Ivan Nova probably will take one of the spots.

    ———————-

    Frankly I would take Freddy Garcia and Jeremy Bonderman over both Mitre and Penny at this point.

    If Penny is willing to come in on a very low contract I wouldn’t turn him down – if nothing else I would put him in the bullpen mix – but if he’s smart he’s hunting around for an NL team to pitch for.

  11. ac1 December 21st, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    If Penny is willing to come in on a very low contract I wouldn’t turn him down – if nothing else I would put him in the bullpen mix – but if he’s smart he’s hunting around for an NL team to pitch for.

    __

    The NL is really getting overloaded on Starting Pitching. Soon there is going to be no more room for some of these people looking to pad their stats in the NL.

  12. Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    # ac1 December 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Give Brad Penny a chance. I know he didnt work out with Boston but I still feel more confident with him than Mitre. I’ll assume Ivan Nova probably will take one of the spots.

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    No way….that ahole disrespected us and he disrespected Girardi when he was in Boston. I would rather eat a bowl of sht then cheer for that jerk in pinstripes.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....s_bac.html

  13. Chip December 21st, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm
    # Irreverent Discourse December 21st, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    oh btw, Chad’s FA team would finish over .500 and probably compete for WC in the NL.
    ————————————–

    with any health luck, that teams rotation is better than ours.

    ——————

    Can’t argue with the strength of their bullpen, that’s for sure.

  14. Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    We cannot take on Penny for two reasons:

    1 – he is one injury after another
    2 – i hate him

  15. DaSaint007 December 21st, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Cashman, please pick 1:

    Bullpen:
    Rafael Soriano
    Grant Balfour
    Brian Fuentes
    Kevin Gregg
    Jon Rauch

    or even 2.

  16. G. Love December 21st, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Mitre as a long man? Fine.

    Mitre as our 5-6 starter? Front office failure.

    They love Mitre because he doesn’t cost much and can slop together a good start here and there.

    Out of the list of players Chad posted above;

    I’d sign one of Thome, Manny or Vlad for the bench/DH immediately.

    I’d sign Soriano if he were willing to set up Mo and close on Mo’s off days. I’d sign Rauch as well.

    From the starting pitching I’d try to resign Pettite and take a chance on Millwood or Webb in the other spot. If Andy is done as it appears he is, I would sign Millwood and Webb.

    All of these signings wouldn’t cost us prospects, although Soriano would cost a draft pick.

    Our bullpen would be lock down. We’d have more major league caliber starters and we’d have a monster bat on the bench to cover for Jorge and maybe steal DH from him if he can’t handle it or gets injured.

  17. ac1 December 21st, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    What would be absolutely AMAZING. If somehow, Mark Prior found his stuff and reverted back to his best days, also avoiding 100 different injuries.

  18. DaSaint007 December 21st, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Mitre has revealing photos of Girardi.

    He must.

  19. LGY December 21st, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    “LGY-

    You think 3 in the top 25? Besides Montero, who? Sanchez and Betances? I think that’s an aggressive forecast. I see Sanchez somewhere between 40-60, Betances 50-70, but of course I could easily be wrong.”

    ———————

    Wave,

    If I had to predict, I would go with 2 in the top 25.

    I was just saying up to 3, because I think it is a possibility. In the same way I don’t think 7 will be in the top 100, but I do think it is possible.

    I also did not realize until now that BA ranked Betances ahead of Banuelos which kind of messes up my thinking a bit.

    It also depends if we are just limiting ourselves to Baseball America rankings.

  20. Jerkface December 21st, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    so how did the phillies pull off their rotation in these times ?

    Drafted Cole Hamels, traded for cliff lee and didnt give up anything, traded for roy halladay and gave up their best pitcher prospect and a good OF prospect, traded Cliff Lee for a bunch of slop, traded a young up and down starter who didn’t project to be any good for Roy Oswalt which was the Astros owners way of allowing Roy to attempt to get a ring, then gave Cliff Lee a dump truck of money

    Look at the guys they gave up for Lee the first time, a bunch of nobodies. They gave up their good prospects for Halladay. They gave up no one of consequence for Oswalt. J.A. Happ and 2 A ball players.

    Happ was propped up by a very very lucky LOB%. He walks guys, doesnt really strike anyone out, gives up hits , doesn’t really limit HRs and somehow ended up with a sparkling ERA. They sold high on a him.

    Considering how stupid Ruben Amaro Jr has been as a GM, his ability to fleece opposing GMs on pitching has been astounding (except for when he traded Lee away, he got robbed).

    It sucks that Halladay was likely not going to be traded intra-division. And most teams want more from the Yankees anyways.

  21. ac1 December 21st, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Kevin Millwood? No thanks!!!!

    He pitched in the AL east and it was not pretty.

  22. Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Hoch tweet

    Cashman: Yanks were never close with Kerry Wood. Were told it’d cost $5.5M or more on multi-year basis…Wood wanted to be Cub for life

    Cub for life? He got a crappy 1 year deal.

  23. G. Love December 21st, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Mark Prior is being looked at as a relief pitcher here. Not a starter. Cashman was clear about that after the signing.

  24. ac1 December 21st, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    I hope the Yankees are already keeping a little attention to 2012 and Cole Hamels.

  25. Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    # joeman December 21st, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    CC..ace
    Hughes.. should be better in 11
    AJ….who knows
    Nova….one time around the order & he’s done
    Mitre….is a waste

    —————————————————–

    Agree down the line…….bump Nova to #5 and I can be a bit more optimistic. I actually think he is respectable and has some potential. Seems like a total headcase though…..when the wheels fall off, they fall off way too fast. With some experience, that may improve though.

  26. ac1 December 21st, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Mark Prior is being looked at as a relief pitcher here. Not a starter. Cashman was clear about that after the signing.

    Thats why i said it would be great, not that it will happen.

  27. G. Love December 21st, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    If you have a lock down bullpen, you can afford to have Millwood as your 4-5 starter in this league. Millwood will probably give up 4-5 runs a night and more than a hit an inning, but if your offense scores 6 a night, you win his games with a great pen.

  28. LGY December 21st, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    “gerritt cole – yet another top notch decision by cashman – even i read that signing him was going to be next to impossible…and i don’t even waste my time reading about drafts since about 3% of them even sniff the majors..”

    ——————

    The Yankees would not have drafted Cole if they didn’t think they could sign him. They were told they could sign him.

    But, then Cole’s Dad changed his mind and screwed over the Yankees.

    The Cole pick was really a great pick. He is going to be one of the top picks in the draft next year. Would have been amazing if the Yankees got him a couple years ago.

  29. Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    # Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Hoch tweet

    Cashman: Yanks were never close with Kerry Wood. Were told it’d cost $5.5M or more on multi-year basis…Wood wanted to be Cub for life

    Cub for life? He got a crappy 1 year deal.

    ————————————

    Not exactly true, there is some personal service contract attached to his deal with the Cubs.

  30. joeman December 21st, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    lets face it there’s nothing there that will help or fill needs except Andy and the RP’s

  31. Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    LGY December 21st, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    “gerritt cole – yet another top notch decision by cashman – even i read that signing him was going to be next to impossible…and i don’t even waste my time reading about drafts since about 3% of them even sniff the majors..”

    ——————

    The Yankees would not have drafted Cole if they didn’t think they could sign him. They were told they could sign him.

    But, then Cole’s Dad changed his mind and screwed over the Yankees.

    The Cole pick was really a great pick. He is going to be one of the top picks in the draft next year. Would have been amazing if the Yankees got him a couple years ago.

    ——————–

    Yep, exactly, this was not the Yankees fault….they were lied to. Cole is a sped.

  32. Carl December 21st, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    # Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Hoch tweet

    Cashman: Yanks were never close with Kerry Wood. Were told it’d cost $5.5M or more on multi-year basis…Wood wanted to be Cub for life

    Cub for life? He got a crappy 1 year deal.

    He got a life time cub deal also. Something like that.

  33. Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    # joeman December 21st, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    lets face it there’s nothing there that will help or fill needs except Andy and the RP’s
    —————————-

    And Andy ain’t comin back, y’all. Such is the putridity of this offseason.

  34. Cashman needs to go December 21st, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Considering how stupid Ruben Amaro Jr has been as a GM, his ability to fleece opposing GMs on pitching has been astounding

    *****************

    If amaro is stupid what does that make cashman?

  35. ac1 December 21st, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Yep, exactly, this was not the Yankees fault….they were lied to. Cole is a sped.

    __

    Had a chance to take 9 M and play for the Yankees.

    Now we can move up the draft and play for the Pittsburg Pirates. Good riddance.

  36. joeman December 21st, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    # Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    # joeman December 21st, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    lets face it there’s nothing there that will help or fill needs except Andy and the RP’s
    —————————-

    And Andy ain’t comin back, y’all. Such is the putridity of this offseason.
    —————————–
    if you remember I did pass that along when the Lee crap started

  37. Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Our payroll is basically down by $35 mm year over year at this moment.

  38. Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    # joeman December 21st, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    # Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    # joeman December 21st, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    lets face it there’s nothing there that will help or fill needs except Andy and the RP’s
    —————————-

    And Andy ain’t comin back, y’all. Such is the putridity of this offseason.
    —————————–
    if you remember I did pass that along when the Lee crap started

    —————–

    I recall. It is noted in my ledger.

  39. Chip December 21st, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    It’s not like Cole was the first player the Yankees drafted and couldn’t sign…in fact the guy they just signed – Mark Prior – did the same thing.

  40. RS December 21st, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    Didn’t the Red Sox win the WS with 2/3 of that terrible defensive OF?

  41. Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Our payroll is down $35 mm (-16%), but my season tickets are up 25% year over year.

    That doesnt even include how many extra beers I will need to buy to watch Nova, Mitre, and Burnett 60% of the time I’m there.

  42. cliffjumper December 21st, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    That doesnt even include how many extra beers I will need to buy to watch Nova, Mitre, and Burnett 60% of the time I?m there.

    Winner

  43. Hopdevil December 21st, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    LGY December 21st, 2010 at 4:09 pm
    “gerritt cole – yet another top notch decision by cashman – even i read that signing him was going to be next to impossible…and i don’t even waste my time reading about drafts since about 3% of them even sniff the majors..”

    ——————

    The Yankees would not have drafted Cole if they didn’t think they could sign him. They were told they could sign him.

    But, then Cole’s Dad changed his mind and screwed over the Yankees.

    The Cole pick was really a great pick. He is going to be one of the top picks in the draft next year. Would have been amazing if the Yankees got him a couple years ago.

    ———————————-

    One more reason the Yanks should be even MORE aggressive in Latin America than they already are…hell, they should be down there building little league parks, handing out bats, balls, and shirts to kids, slapping the NYY logo on everything, basically creating their own little international kingdom and pipeline of talent straight back here.

  44. Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    # cliffjumper December 21st, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    That doesnt even include how many extra beers I will need to buy to watch Nova, Mitre, and Burnett 60% of the time I?m there.

    Winner

    ——————-

    Is winner a good thing these days? I dont even know anymore.

  45. Chip December 21st, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    RS December 21st, 2010 at 4:15 pm
    Didn’t the Red Sox win the WS with 2/3 of that terrible defensive OF?

    ————————————–

    5 years ago and LF in Fenway is a lot easier to cover than LF in Yankee Stadium

  46. G. Love December 21st, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Carlo,

    My seats increased in price as well. That’s why I’m somewhat positive that moves are coming. They cannot sell an increase in prices in a recession with this rotation.

  47. Chip December 21st, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Hopdevil December 21st, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    One more reason the Yanks should be even MORE aggressive in Latin America than they already are…hell, they should be down there building little league parks, handing out bats, balls, and shirts to kids, slapping the NYY logo on everything, basically creating their own little international kingdom and pipeline of talent straight back here.

    ——————-

    They do have a baseball academy down there

  48. Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    # G. Love December 21st, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Carlo,

    My seats increased in price as well. That’s why I’m somewhat positive that moves are coming. They cannot sell an increase in prices in a recession with this rotation.

    ————————————–

    I assume you are in the bleachers? That’s where I am, section 204……I think the majority of the stadium stayed flat year over year….we dodged the increase for a few years so now they are getting us this year.

  49. LGY December 21st, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    Ticket prices are not based on payroll.

    They are just based on what you are willing to pay.

  50. Cashman needs to go December 21st, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    I’d take that bullpen over the current yankee one right now – even with soriano replacing rivera..and it would probably cost just a little less as the current one they have..

  51. 4 NYY December 21st, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    # Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    # G. Love December 21st, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Carlo,

    My seats increased in price as well. That’s why I’m somewhat positive that moves are coming. They cannot sell an increase in prices in a recession with this rotation.

    ————————————–

    I assume you are in the bleachers? That’s where I am, section 204……I think the majority of the stadium stayed flat year over year….we dodged the increase for a few years so now they are getting us this year.
    ————————————————————————–

    May I ask at what cost that is ? I’m in the west. NV.

  52. austinmac December 21st, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    MLBTrade Rumors says another Red Sox was removed from the 40 man roster. That means another Yankee pick up under the new everyone else wants too much money policy. And you people complain about ticket price increases.

  53. Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Fun fact: A.J. Burnett converted a barn at his Maryland house into mound. Will work there w/ Larry Rothschild in January

    Fitting isn’t it since barns usually stink like horse poo anyway.

  54. grouchonyy December 21st, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    DaSaint007 December 21st, 2010 at 4:05 pm
    Mitre has revealing photos of Girardi.

    He must.
    =====
    And that would help him how?

  55. G. Love December 21st, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Carlo,

    No, I’m not in the bleachers. My tickets went up $10 this year. We’re on the field level 1b side. Not Legends seats. The section behind those. We almost decided to move or get rid of them (my family shares a full season) but we kept them.

  56. Joe from Long Island December 21st, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    FWIW – I remember reading, at the time, that Scott Boras was really ticked at the Cole family. They had retained him to represent Gerrit in his negotiations with the Yanks. Boras, as he does, put a lot of time and effort into preparing his negotiating file in preparation to go at it with Cash, only to be told that the kid was going to college.

    I wonder if the Cole’s will be using Mr. Boras in the future.

  57. Yankee Trader December 21st, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Wednesday, November 10, 2010
    Brad Penny In Best Shape Of His Life
    Word is that Brad Penny is in “the best shape of his life.” That shouldn’t be a surprise since the free agent is engaged to Dancing with the Stars dancer Karina Smirnoff.

    Looks like Webb in negotiations with Rangers. Last I heard he was hitting low 80′s on radar gun a few months ago.

    Carlo-

    I think payroll is currently about 192M
    144M + 30M Jeter & Rivera + 10M arb cases and raises + 8M Martin & Feliciano

  58. jacksquat December 21st, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Wow, how many triples and ITPHR’s would be hit against that outfield?

  59. 108 stitches December 21st, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Fun fact: A.J. Burnett converted a barn at his Maryland house into mound. Will work there w/ Larry Rothschild in January

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Why did he bother to convert a barn when he could have gone to Tampa and have full use of the minor league complex ?

  60. ac1 December 21st, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    probably so he could spend the off-season at home with his family.

  61. Yankee Trader December 21st, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Also, AJ’s wife doesn’t like to fly. Hope the barn is heated.

  62. Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    # 4 NYY December 21st, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    # Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    # G. Love December 21st, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Carlo,

    My seats increased in price as well. That’s why I’m somewhat positive that moves are coming. They cannot sell an increase in prices in a recession with this rotation.

    ————————————–

    I assume you are in the bleachers? That’s where I am, section 204……I think the majority of the stadium stayed flat year over year….we dodged the increase for a few years so now they are getting us this year.
    ————————————————————————–

    May I ask at what cost that is ? I’m in the west. NV.

    —————————————–

    Went from $12 per game to $15 per game.

  63. Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    # Yankee Trader December 21st, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Wednesday, November 10, 2010

    Carlo-

    I think payroll is currently about 192M
    144M + 30M Jeter & Rivera + 10M arb cases and raises + 8M Martin & Feliciano

    ———————————-

    I was going off of Cotts

  64. RayVT December 21st, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    I was just looking at the homegrown core players the Yanks had for Torre to decide to use:

    P – Andy Pettitte
    P – Ramiro Mendoza
    P – Mariano Rivera
    P – Bob Wickman
    P – Brian Boehringer
    P – David Weathers

    C – Jorge Posada
    C – Jim Leyritz
    SS – Derek Jeter
    CF – Bernie Williams
    OF – Gerald Williams

    That is some really good talent.

  65. Irreverent Discourse December 21st, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    The Yankees would be wise to try to talk Cano into an extension now…

    Another year like last year and he’ll be getting a back-loaded teixeira deal.

  66. blake December 21st, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Cots has the current payroll at 178 (counting Igawa). That doesn’t include arbitration raises or Feliciano though. So it is about 192 but I don’t think Igawa counts towards the luxury tax so its really closer to 188 or so right now from what I can tell.

  67. blake December 21st, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    So the Yanks are about 25 million (or 1 Cliff Lee ) short of last years payroll.

  68. Betsy December 21st, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    I heard that Webb is going to sign with the Rangers, so that’s another option that Cash let pass by

  69. Carlo December 21st, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    # Betsy December 21st, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    I heard that Webb is going to sign with the Rangers, so that’s another option that Cash let pass by

    ———————–

    Nah. He would do nothing but disappoint us.

  70. Yank 97 December 21st, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    “I hope the Yankees are already keeping a little attention to 2012 and Cole Hamels.”

    Philly will lock him up when Oswalt comes off the books.

    Philly is a part of the big boys now… they can afford to keep their homegrown star if they want to.

  71. blake December 21st, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    Webb’s arm very well could be shot. He’d be worth a minor league deal ala Mark Prior but not much more until he shows he can throw harder than 85mph.

  72. Yank 97 December 21st, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    I’d rather take a chance on Webb than Freddy Garcia, Milwood, Francis, Young, etc.

  73. Irreverent Discourse December 21st, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Betsy – Webb hasn’t been clocked over 83mph since his last surgury. Man, Cashman just doesn’t know what a good pitcher is.

  74. Jerkface December 21st, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    I’d rather take a chance on Webb than Freddy Garcia, Milwood, Francis, Young, etc.

    Webb didn’t even throw a baseball last year.

  75. blake December 21st, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    The Phillies are the NL Yankees right now but they don’t have the Yankees type of revenue streams. I wonder how long they can sustain this type of spending. They have about a 3 year window here before they get really old….

  76. Betsy December 21st, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    I don’t care that the Yankees didn’t get creative for Greinke. If enough people had doubts about him, then that’s enough for me.

    I’m not quite as negative as GLove, but I basically agree with him; Cash has had an atrocious off-season.

    Randy, I agree with you as well that Phil had plenty to learn in the minors – this is why he wasn’t supposed to be up until late 2007. I remember Eiland saying that Phil was extremely stubborn about throwing the change in the minors……….seems nothing really has changed.

  77. Jerkface December 21st, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    The Phillies are the NL Yankees right now but they don’t have the Yankees type of revenue streams. I wonder how long they can sustain this type of spending. They have about a 3 year window here before they get really old….

    They have a good rotation obviously, but their lineup is not even close to the quality of an AL lineup now without Werth.

  78. Betsy December 21st, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Guess not, ID – I’m not very happy with Cash now.

    Anyway, my point was that Phil had plenty to learn……..unless all the Yankees cared about was him dominating overmatched minor leaguers with FBs.

    It’s so ridiculous that Cashman has given up on Joba – he’s so stubborn about it. It almost seems like he’s digging in his heels just to show he’s boss…..

  79. Betsy December 21st, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Carlo, at this point, the Yankees have to take any shot in the dark…………..

  80. Wave Your Hat December 21st, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    With more and more younger players being signed to long term contracts resulting in fewer and fewer impact free agents becoming available, resulting in higher and higher prices for the few free agents there are, the Yankee practice of signing the best available free agents to meet team needs is becoming less and less viable as a consistently successful strategy, as vividly demonstrated by the 2010-2011 off-season.

    Bottom line, it is time to let those AAA pitchers show what they can do.

  81. Doreen December 21st, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    When people here have the inside scoop on how Cashman feels about his players and their abilities, let me know.

  82. Jerzz December 21st, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    Harper on SNY says the Yanks internally have thought about offering Andy the “family plan” that they gave Clemens for him to pitch 1\2 a season if it entices him to come back.

  83. Betsy December 21st, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Star Ledger

    Cashman on Joba as a starter: “It’s just not the same stuff.”
    *********

    So stupid……….Joba showed great stuff in 2008; one “eh” year (and his #s were very similar to Hughes’ last year) and that’s it? Cash really shouldn’t evaluate pitching.

  84. Wave Your Hat December 21st, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Cashman played the only hand he really had. The fact that he ultimately didn’t have the cards isn’t his fault.

  85. Melk Man December 21st, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Phils have Ibanez, Oswalt, Rollins coming off the books in the next 2 seasons. They can easily afford Hamels.

    Weaver probably will get locked up by the Angels as well, they can afford him, he’s from that area.

    Danks is the next best guy in that class. But Chi can resign him with the money they lose from Buerhlee.

  86. Wave Your Hat December 21st, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    “When people here have the inside scoop on how Cashman feels about his players and their abilities, let me know.”

    Gee, Doreen, isn’t that an hourly occurrence around here?

  87. 108 stitches December 21st, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Anybody know the whereabouts of Chris Britton ? Oh, wait. He has weight issues like Chamberlain.

  88. Wave Your Hat December 21st, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    “Harper on SNY says the Yanks internally have thought about offering Andy the “family plan” that they gave Clemens for him to pitch 1\2 a season if it entices him to come back.”

    He didn’t happen to say what the Yanks thought about it, did he?

  89. Betsy December 21st, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Wave, that’s not true. It’s ridiculous that he refused to part with some combo of Joba/Nova/Brackman/Robertson for Haren………….I mean, 2 of those guys are relievers – and not even set up men – and the other is a middle-to backend of the rotation prospect. The fact that we were in a position to desperately need Lee and or a 39 year old Andy tells me that Cash has made some bad moves and that he’s not succeeded so well in developing young starters. Now he got unlucky with Javy – that was a good move that went wrong.

  90. Hopdevil December 21st, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Phils are in “win it now” mode. As bad as their lineup is now – it’s only getting worse down the road. Rollins has steadily declined, Ibanez is almost done, and the best part is that Howard hasn’t even started his $125M extension yet and he’s already sinking.

    Utley and Dominic Brown are the only bright spots as far as position players go.

    Assuming they all live up to expectations in 2010 – how many years of dominance are left for Doc, Lee, and Oswalt? Barring some devastating injury – Phils will not pay what Hamels will demand on the market in a couple years.

  91. Wave Your Hat December 21st, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Betsy-

    Haren was not this off-season, which is what I was referring to. I don’t know why Cashman didn’t chase Haren harder last summer – I agree with you he should have.

  92. Betsy December 21st, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    Wave, oops – sorry.

  93. Carl December 21st, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......id=2964448

    Joba hasn’t looked that good out of the pen or in the rotation in 2 years.

    If Joba was motivated, he would have locked down a spot in the rotation.

    He has no one to blame but himself.

  94. LGY December 21st, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    “Philly will lock him up when Oswalt comes off the books.

    Philly is a part of the big boys now… they can afford to keep their homegrown star if they want to.”

    ——————

    The Phillies are not really paying Oswalt that much money. Howard’s crazy expensive extension has not even kicked in yet, Lee’s contract is backloaded, Rollins is a FA after next season, Ruiz is in line for an extension in a couple years, etc.

    The Phillies have a ton of money locked up. They have $80 million locked up in 4 players in 2013. Add Hamels to that and it is at least $100 million locked up to 5 players. I don’t think the Phillies can manage that type of payroll and carry 3 $20+ million pitchers.

  95. JT December 21st, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Chad’s team wins 90 games, gets into the playoffs and is the feel-good sports story of 2011.

  96. LGY December 21st, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    “Phils have Ibanez, Oswalt, Rollins coming off the books in the next 2 seasons. They can easily afford Hamels.”

    —————————–

    That is about $28 million coming off the books.

    Probably about $23 million of that would be devoted to Hamels.

    So you are left with 3 holes in Ibanez, Oswalt, and Rollins and only $5 million to spend to fill them.

  97. LGY December 21st, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    And in 2014 Howard’s contract jumps up $5 million to $25 million, so that $5 million is gone.

  98. ZMAN December 21st, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Whose to say Hamels chases every last dollar anyway?

    They will certainly have the money to re-sign him to a market deal, based on what they are losing from their payroll in the next 2 years, the question is, if it is prudent for them to do so.

    During the 2013 season, he would be 29, big market/postseason tested, ALCS/WS MVP. So far, in 12 postseason starts, 8 of them have been quality. The 4 non-quality? All came during his horrible 2009 season.

    I’m not holding my breath on him getting to FA, but I would love to get him.

  99. LGY December 21st, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Wave,

    Hit the nail on the head at 5:37.

  100. LGY December 21st, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Lee’s salary jumps up $4 million also in 2 years.

  101. LGY December 21st, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    Ryan Madson is a FA next winter.

    So the Phillies are going to have to decide to pay him or have a big hole in their BP.

  102. LGY December 21st, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    “So stupid……….Joba showed great stuff in 2008; one “eh” year (and his #s were very similar to Hughes’ last year) and that’s it? Cash really shouldn’t evaluate pitching.”

    ———————-

    Cashman is not making these decisions alone.

    Unless you think he does?

    And how is he digging in his heels about Joba? What do you want him to do? The organization made a decision based on how they evaluate Joba. Why should they change that decision when they feel that is what’s best?

    You yourself said you don’t even want Joba in the rotation. You can’t have it both ways. Don’t give up on him but don’t start him.

  103. Betsy December 21st, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    LGY, then Cash and the Yankees organization are making a mistake.

    I never wanted any kids in the rotation because, even if we had Lee, Phil is not solid in my mind and AJ is an enormous question mark. I didn’t want Nova in the rotation – it was not a Joba thing. As long as they are going with kids, why not Joba?

  104. Doreen December 21st, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Would getting Haren last year have precluded going after Cliff Lee this off-season in some way? Perhaps in a budgetary way?

  105. GreenBeret7 December 21st, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    An interesting story on one of the kids that played for Hank’s Yanks and beat Mariano Rivera, Jr. signed to a Yankee contract.

    Yanks looking for a right handed bat? I’d suggest giving Jorge Vazquez a crack at it. Not a sparkling glove, but, he has played 1st, 3rd, OF and catcher. No question about the power and run production. Certainly has to be better than Juan Miranda.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=nyy

  106. blake December 21st, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    The Phillies are only about 25 million behind the Yankees in payroll committed to 2012.

  107. GreenBeret7 December 21st, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Doreen, Davidoff made mention of the payroll tax increase being part of the next CBA and the Yanks were taxed at $18 mil in 2010.

  108. LGY December 21st, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    If the Yankees gave a rotation spot to Joba and he stunk like he did in 2009, what would that say about how the Yankees develop young pitching?

    That they don’t know how to internally evaluate or self-scout?

    That with all the young pitchers coming up they will have no idea how to decide who will be a good starting pitcher and who is worth putting in the rotation?

    There is an opportunity cost for every rotation spot. If the Yankees don’t think Joba can cut it in the rotation then they shouldn’t block some other pitcher they think can.

    There is no sense drawing conclusions based on individual circumstances. Joba is an individual and has no impact on any of the other pitchers in the system.

  109. Doreen December 21st, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    And I believe I found the answer is probably. Haren is owed $29 million through 2012.

    Apparently, the Yankees made a decision one or the other.

  110. blake December 21st, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    “Would getting Haren last year have precluded going after Cliff Lee this off-season in some way? Perhaps in a budgetary way?”

    not really because if Pettite retired then he could taken his money or if Pettite came back then they could have traded him for a good haul in this pitching thin market. I know its hindsight and things were a little different at the time but I bet Cashman would like to have that one back right now…..I bet he’d have given a little more consideration to Chapman as well if he could turn back the clock.

  111. ZMAN December 21st, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    “Would getting Haren last year have precluded going after Cliff Lee this off-season in some way? Perhaps in a budgetary way?”

    Not necessarily… he has a very affordable contract, so they could have always traded him and recouped prospects. Or they could have looked to the future and allowed Andy to retire and kept Haren + signed Lee.

  112. Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    The Phillies have a chunk of CSN Philadelphia like the Yanks have with YES.

    I believe the Phillies have money.

  113. blake December 21st, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Doreen,

    I think the answer is only if they wouldn’t have had room for both lee and Pettite….which I think they would have.

  114. LGY December 21st, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    I said at the time of the potential Haren trade that they could just trade him if they needed to.

    But what if he came over to the Yankees and continued to pitch poorly?

    Trading him then may not have been so easy. Maybe the Yankees didn’t want to take that risk.

  115. SAS December 21st, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Doreen,

    Your first thought of the afternoon: about knowing what Cashman feels about the team is right on.

  116. LGY December 21st, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Or maybe Andy is a special circumstance where Hal doesn’t have a problem going over budget to bring him back?

    I would think the Yankees could make room for Haren and Lee, but we really don’t know.

    Maybe Hal wouldn’t go over budget with Haren and Lee as opposed to Lee and Andy?

  117. Red Lobster December 21st, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Haren made only a couple of million more than Andy. They could have afforded Haren and Lee. They might have to go light on the bench/pen, but if we had that kind of rotation, who cares who fills out the roster?

    Besides… wouldn’t Cash rather be in that conundrum than the one he is in now where he probably will have none of them?

  118. blake December 21st, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    The Phillies have money but they don’t make as much off their ballpark, merchandising, or their TV deal as the Yankees do. They are creeping towards the Lux. Tax land. I think they are going for it during this window they have and there is nothing wrong with that……more teams should.

  119. Doreen December 21st, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    And unfortunately, they got neither.

    But that’s the way the ball bounces sometimes.

    LGY -

    The Joba dialogue here defies logic and is oftentimes more about laying blame. It’s gotten so tedious at this point and holds no interest for me anymore.

    GB7 -

    There ya go. I’d say the Yankees as an organization are kind of sick and tired of financing everybody else’s upgrades and/or padding the pockets of the non-spenders.

    The fact is, they can’t get players they’d normally be THE highest bidder on because other teams have more cash than they had to bid in the FA market, or to keep players, and much of that money came from the Yankees.

    In some ways, it’s great that other teams can hold onto their own players; but it should not necessarily be at the expense of teams (mainly the Yankees) who are able to make money. They’re basically funding their competition.

  120. LGY December 21st, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    Signing Lee and Andy would have forced the Yankees to raise payroll and taken them over the $220+ mark.

    It is quite possible the Yankees never had any intention of raising payroll and doing so for Andy is a unique circumstance.

  121. Jerkface December 21st, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    The haren trade was perpetrated by the owner of the diamondbacks. His meddling meant that Haren was traded, effectively, for peanuts.

  122. blake December 21st, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    LGY,

    True, but I think the price tag took that risk into consideration…..it was a pretty fair price. Yanks should have made that deal and I bet they would if they could do it over. If they had then they would at the very least have a CC, Haren, Hughes, AJ rotation……and if Pettite comes back it would have been pretty strong.

  123. Betsy December 21st, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    LGY, he wasn’t very good, but he didn’t stink – not badly enough to be branded a reliever forever. I believe his #s are in-line with Hughes’s #s in 2010 (for the most part). At least they would have given him another shot……..though frankly that time preferrably would have been 2010.

  124. GreenBeret7 December 21st, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    Doreen, wasn’t much but said quite a bit. here’s the spot and the entire article.

    “Thanks to Twitter, to which I would send a holiday card if I knew where to send it, I learned that the Yankees’ luxury tax figure for 2010 was $18 million. I’d be highly impressed if they someday got to a payroll that didn’t require a luxury tax payment. If that actually happens, I expect it to be a result of the collective bargaining agreement changing dramatically, rather than the Yankees dramatically cutting their spending.”

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.2558300

  125. LGY December 21st, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    blake,

    Yeah I agree. I am just throwing out some possibilities that may have happened to stop the Yankees from getting Haren.

    Maybe the GM at the time just really like Joe Saunders :lol:

    I’m pretty sure if Towers was running things he would have done a better job on that trade.

  126. blake December 21st, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Yes, had the Yankees signed Lee and Pettite then their payroll would have been higher than last year….there was never any way around that. But they have Posada and Marte coming off next year and they should have to spend anything to replace those guys so that would have brought it back down after 2011.

  127. West Coast Yankee Fan December 21st, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Joba was not sent to the bullpen precipitously. The Yankees have a deep, structured organization with numerous professionals who give input on such things. Of course Cashman has the final say on baseball matters for the most part.

  128. GreenBeret7 December 21st, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    I doubt that Cashman’s words on Chamberlain staying in the pen is entirely his. I’m sure it was an organizational decision….as in everyone had a piece of the decision.

    Read the previous Davidoff article in Newsday.

  129. Doreen December 21st, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    I think the bottom line with Haren is the Yankees chose not to take a risk there. It sounds like a lot of “ifs.”

    And I think it is fine to second guess, in a way, whether they should have pulled the trigger, and maybe they’d be in better shape right now, but maybe not.

    But the way some people talk about Haren is like he is some phenom that stupid Cashman missed out on.

    All I’m suggesting is that there are other considerations that we don’t know about. And if Lee had signed with the Yankees, no one would be talking about the fact that Dan Haren got away, even if Pettitte does retire.

    Full disclosure — I tried three times to read through posts today and just could not. Very demoralizing. (And I could have used the break, believe me!!! :lol: )

    It’s real easy to be the GM of the Yankees when you have no one to answer to.

  130. Carl December 21st, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Joba had a 4.75 era in 2009.

    Hughes. 4.19

    Hughes had more k’s less walks.

    Hughes gave up 4 more home runs.

  131. yclept December 21st, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    Betsy -

    Joba, 2009: 157.1 IP, 167 H, 76 BB, 133 K, 1.544 WHIP, 4.75 ERA, 97 ERA+
    Hughes, 2010: 176.1 IP, 162 H, 58 BB, 146 K, 1.248 WHIP, 4.19 ERA, 102 ERA +

    Personally, I don’t think there is a right or wrong answer to the “Should Joba start?” debate. Hughes’ numbers are more impressive than Joba’s, though.

  132. Carl December 21st, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Thanks yclept.

  133. Hopdevil December 21st, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    “It’s real easy to be the GM of the Yankees when you have no one to answer to.”

    So much truth in that statement. Everything has upside when posted on a blog. Not so much when tens/hundreds of millions at risk.

  134. blake December 21st, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Depending on what the Yankees do between now and next winter….the Red Sox’s payroll might be getting close to the Yankees by 2012.

    The Yankees have 138 million already committed to 2012
    The Red Sox have 95 million already committed but….they have yet to give the 20+ million dollar extension to Gonzalez, they will have to replace Drew, Ortiz, and a good chunk of their bullpen….plus probably try to find a decent catcher.

  135. LGY December 21st, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    blake,

    Good point about money coming off the books the following year.

    I don’t know. I was for trading for Haren. Just think there is more to the story than some are assuming.

  136. YankeeRay December 21st, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    I have been saying all along that Montero still has a place on this team with Martin here. He should catch 50-70 games and DH against certain lefties. Posada should DH against righties and catch 20 games leaving Martin to catch 80 games.

    In fact if Montero is sent down then I would rather see Manny DH against lefties and play 20-30 games in LF instead of seeing Posada DH full time.
    I have no interest in seeing Posada swing at slow curves from the right side or clog the bases for 150 games.

    Manny can play a little LF and come out late in games for Gardner and he can pinch hit for Gardner or Martin as needed. For 1 year Manny makes sense.

    If Montero stays then he should catch and DH against most lefties.

    I’m against Jorge full time DH.

  137. Betsy December 21st, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    YClept, thanks. My overall point was that Joba’s year wasn’t bad, not to the point where the Yankees should have given up on him as a starter. I think Joba had to take a lion’s share of the blame for his poor performances because I think he’s not someone who is particularly motivated………..I’ve never been one to blame the Yankees because Joba has a ten cent head. I just hate the idea that one year and it’s pfft………

  138. Doreen December 21st, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    Thanks, GB7, that was an interesting quick read.

    Joba in 2009 was not good. No matter what they did. They bent over backwards trying to figure out how to best accommodate him. He was not in mental control of the game. He threw too many pitches. He shook off the catcher incessantly. He had two or three good games right after the ASB and that was it.

    It is not a bad thing if Joba is relegated to the bullpen, if that is where he has the best chance to harness his stuff. Maybe it helps his concentration. Maybe he doesn’t know how to pace himself on a consistent basis. Maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe.

    My personal feeling was that when he lost the starting spot to Hughes, the Yankees should have considered demoting Joba, and who knows? Perhaps they did discuss it and consider it, but thought Joba translates better to the bullpen.

    At this point, if Joba wants to start, it’s up to Joba to take the initiative and do whatever is necessary to show he can do it.

  139. blake December 21st, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Doreen,

    All very true…but it did seem like the Yankees passed on Haren because of Cliff Lee. Things were different last July as the rotation wasn’t nearly as big an issue as it became later in the season and is currently and Haren hadn’t pitched that well either…..but the price wasn’t that excessive and it couldve given them some insurance both last year and this winter…..that’s all I’m sayin… it was a risk and the Yankees may not have felt the rotation was enough of an issue to give up one of their bullpen guys or good prospect for.

  140. blake December 21st, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    “I don’t know. I was for trading for Haren. Just think there is more to the story than some are assuming.”

    I’m sure there is….I’m not killing Cashman or the Yankees for the non-move, I’m just saying that knowing what they know now that they may have made that deal….of course they didn’t know then what they know now.

  141. GreenBeret7 December 21st, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    My pleasure, Doreen. As I said earlier…Cashman is taking a lot of heat for him being in the bullpen, but, no one person makes a decision like that. That was the organization that made that decision. Did you read the kid that played for Hank’s Yanks signing with the Yanks? That would be a great story to see him become a piece of the puzzle down the road. He’s still just 19 and was never drafted.

  142. SAS December 21st, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    YankeeRay,

    I tend to agree with you about Posada being the full time DH, however, he does deserve a chance to prove himself in that role. If a long time vet, like Guerrero would sign for not much, I like him on the bench, or a guy like Thome. The Yankees could use the extra big bat.

  143. SAS December 21st, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Hey GB,

    How are you doing tonight?

  144. SAS December 21st, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    :arrow: From Hanks’s Yanks to the real Yanks

  145. West Coast Yankee Fan December 21st, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Joba just did not have what it took to be an effective starting pitcher, in the AL East, with this team. It’s a huge positive that the Yankees realized that fairly quickly, and didn’t waste time trying to fit a round peg in a square hole.

    Just because you move slowly and give a pitcher more time doesn’t mean it’s the right move. The Yankees professional staff was eminently qualified to make the decision on his future, Joba was not a new commodity to them in the spring of 2010.

    I personally believe it was the right move. He was not a good starting pitcher.

  146. GreenBeret7 December 21st, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    SAS, I’m doing just fine, thank you. Happy to see you made it through the monsoons to get home safely. Wishing you and family aa happy holiday season and best wishes for the new year.

  147. clownthrowindown December 21st, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Haren was a risk because he may not pitch well, Greinke was a risk because he might not react well to NY, Lee was a risk because of the price in prospects, relievers are a risk because they are inconsistent…

    Does he realize prospects are a risk too?

    What does Cashman want, a money back guarantee or else he just won’t sign anyone? I thought the point of being rich was that you could absorb a mistake. So now all he is going to do is sign mediocre position players, back-end starters and rehab projects?

  148. brianlopez22 December 21st, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    My favorite post is that no one has any belief that Nova can pitch in the majors.
    I’m not saying he can or he can’t, but I want to givehim a shot. He pitched well in his first 5 innings of each outing but ran up against his “innings limits” during his first exposure to major league hitting.

    Everyone needs to calm down. Wandy, Big Z, Brad Penny, and whatever junk they find will not be better than this kid.

    In 45 innings, he had a 4.50 ERA.

    Tim Lincecum’s first 50 innings? 6.04 ERA
    Roy Halladay? 4.20
    Verlander? 3.97
    King Felix? 4.00

    I guess they all stink and were not worthy of their major league staffs….

    Please people, GET A GRIP!!!!!
    Wait until he has a few seasons under his belt before you send him to long relief.

    He has an A+ fastball, a good changeup and a great curveball.
    He is well on his way, but its too early to say he’s going to be good, or just another busted prospect.

  149. yankeetomer December 22nd, 2010 at 9:07 am

    this team would be a world series contender. great lineup, bullpen. starting pitching has a big upside.

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