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Could Johnny Damon actually fit in the Yankees plans?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 22, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Let’s end this night with an unexpected notion brought to you by Ken Davidoff: The Yankees have talked to Johnny Damon about coming back to the Bronx.

The most obvious positive is that Damon might be the best combination of viable defensive outfielder and legitimate offensive contributor still on the market (depending on your opinion of Manny Ramirez at this point). Damon could play a role off the bench, getting time at designated hitter and left field.

The obvious negatives are that Damon bats left handed and would leave Nick Swisher as the only Yankees outfielder with recent experience in right. Of the team’s four outfielders, three would be lefties. They could land a super utility type to bat from the right side, but it seems easier to simply find a right-handed fourth outfielder.

It doesn’t seem to be a perfect fit for either the player or the team, but as Davidoff points out, the outfield free agent market has thinned since Matt Diaz and Bill Hall came off the board. I’d argue that Marcus Thames — despite his defensive flaws — makes much more sense for the Yankees, and it could be that the the Yankees and Damon are talking to one another only as a last resort for both parties.

If the Yankees don’t find a better fit, at least they’d have a known veteran to plug into the lineup. If Damon can’t find an everyday job, at least he’d have a familiar situation and a chance to win.

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230 Responses to “Could Johnny Damon actually fit in the Yankees plans?”

  1. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    I don’t really see Damon rejoining the Yankees for 250-300 at bats. He can get 500+ with Tampa for the same money that NYYs would likely offer.

  2. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    This is the guy that deserves a long, legitimate look during spring training.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/…..pid=451629

  3. Ruby Tuesday December 22nd, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    L . o . l .

  4. Ruby Tuesday December 22nd, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    Depressing times call for depressing measures .

  5. Patrick December 22nd, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    Damon just isn’t a fit with this team if we have Posada at DH and Montero on the bench. If we trade Gardner or Granderson I’d love Damon as our starting LF but I don’t see that happening.

  6. Sweet Swinging Cano December 22nd, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    He probably doesn’t fit. But I wouldn’t be mad if it happened. Damon is just a good guy/teamate. Why not Thames? Did he make a pass at Cashman’s wife or something? I know he is not a good outfielder but wow.

  7. CCBiggs December 22nd, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    I actually like this idea! Damon can be a productive hitter getting around 400 at bats in 2011, split between DH and outfield (and maybe a few pinch hit appearances). I don’t want Posada as the full-time DH. He’s just not that good anymore. Yanks could use another veteran bat splitting DH time with Posada.

  8. CCBiggs December 22nd, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    I actually like this idea! Damon can be a productive hitter getting around 400 at bats in 2011, split between DH and outfield (and maybe a few pinch hit appearances). I don’t want Posada as the full-time DH. He’s just not that good anymore. Yanks could use another veteran bat splitting DH time with Posada.

  9. CCBiggs December 22nd, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    Patrick – Montero won’t be on the bench. He needs to continue learning how to catch, which means that he’ll be in Triple A, playing every day. Yanks aren’t going to put him on the big league roster as a bench player. No way.

  10. Sweet Swinging Cano December 22nd, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Why is everyone digging Posada’s grave lol? He had a pretty solid year last year, and that is with him being the catcher. What happens when he is a dh???

  11. KPB December 22nd, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Randy, he’s the right handed version of Garner.
    ——-
    ***Gardner***
    ——————————-

    Darn, I was all set to see what kind of case he’d break. Or, at least see how Jennifer looked out there.

  12. ac1 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Damon may get more time in Tampa, however, they are not going anywhere next year, so if he can get the same $$ from the Yankees, even if heplays a little less, i believe he would choose to come back. He will get playing time.

  13. grouchonyy December 22nd, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    No way. He can’t play the outfield well. The DH at bats are spoken for. He won’t be happy sitting on the bench most of the time. If Nunez or Laird can play outfield, let them be the number four. Both can also play infield positions. I’ll pass.

  14. Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    It makes tons of sense for the Yankees, far more than Thames. The last thing they need is to occupy another roster spot with someone who absolutely stinks in the field. In fact, the only negative for the Yankees is the question about Damon’s defense.

    But the real question is does it make sense for Damon because, as Davidoff points out, if he has any hope to get 3000 hits, it’s going to be tough to get AB here.

  15. Erica in NY December 22nd, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes

  16. Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    “The DH at bats are spoken for.”

    This isn’t necessarily true. Cashman recently said that nothing is guaranteed for Posada.

  17. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    You, too, huh? I’m going start correcting every mistake you guys make. Well, maybe not all of them. You, MTU and Randy make too many.

    How are things goimg a the KPB estate? Hope ya’ll have a great Christmas and New Year’s holiday season.

  18. tyanksfan36 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    I’m watching the Prime 9 best plays at the plate. I feel sorry for Posada that he doesn’t get the recognition for the second half of the flip play and that quick tag. Jeter gets all the credit for it. I’m glad Posada is going to be the DH next year. He really is one of my favorite of the Yankees left from the “core 4″

  19. Erica in NY December 22nd, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    I don’t even think Johnny ever sold his house in NY.

    Last I heard, Cliff Lee was going to rent it. And well, thats not a problem anymore :roll:

  20. KPB December 22nd, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    Erica

    Don’t hold back. How do you really feel? Happy belated birthday.

  21. Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    “I don’t even think Johnny ever sold his house in NY.”

    It was reported that he sold his house in Alpine immediately following the 2009 season.

  22. Erica in NY December 22nd, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    KPB December 22nd, 2010 at 11:00 pm
    Erica

    Don’t hold back. How do you really feel? Happy belated birthday.

    **************

    Did you crack the mysterious code of my opinion on the Johnny Damon matter??? LOL

    Thank you!

  23. blake December 22nd, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    Perhaps the Yanks are just making contact with Damon in case something came along and they decided to deal Gardner in a package for a starting pitcher. He would be great as a 4th outfield/part time DH but obviously he’d prefer a full time role most likely.

  24. Erica in NY December 22nd, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2010 at 11:00 pm
    “I don’t even think Johnny ever sold his house in NY.”

    It was reported that he sold his house in Alpine immediately following the 2009 season.

    **************

    No. When the Cliff Lee trade was almost done in July 2010, many people sources said that Amber Sabathia had arranged for the Lees to rent Johnny’s house

  25. KPB December 22nd, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    GB7

    At least I didn’t pile on about the V word. Things are good thanks. I hope you have a merry Christmas, and don’t let killer drink and drive.

  26. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    Damon makes plenty of sense, as long as he is OK with less than $4-5 million and non-starter playing time. He is durable, and loves the short porch.

    Sign Thames and Damon for less than $8 million. Sign Pettitte for $13 million. Call it an offseason and get ready for February.

    Total AAV payroll less than $200 million with that line up.

  27. Pat M. December 22nd, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    Johnny Damon in leftfield……Time to buy my e-tickets for when a routine flyball is hit in the direction of leftfield…..

  28. Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    Erica

    It looks like you’re right. He sold his NY apt:

    http://www.bergproperties.com/.....xactly-8m/

  29. KPB December 22nd, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Did you crack the mysterious code of my opinion on the Johnny Damon matter???
    ——————————
    Yes. It helped having MPB and MPF during the season as warm ups to crack it. :smile:

  30. Erica in NY December 22nd, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2010 at 11:06 pm
    Erica

    It looks like you’re right. He sold his NY apt:

    **************

    Hehehe…. I may not be an expert in many things, but I know my Johnny Damon trivia :-)

  31. Captain Clutch December 22nd, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    I really don’t think Damon is a fit on this team. His defense was really poor last year and the team needs another righty in the outfield not a lefty. Also let’s not forget his agent is Boras. Cash was probably just checking in to see if he can get him for cheap and if it was a fit. I see him signing in Tampa closer to home and he can get more playing time with them.

  32. Bx is Burning December 22nd, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Depressing times call for depressing measures .

    ———————————————————

    You would know, you s*d b*tch.

  33. blake December 22nd, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    “Johnny Damon in leftfield……Time to buy my e-tickets for when a routine flyball is hit in the direction of leftfield…”

    not full time but he’d be ok out there every now and then as a 4th outfielder with a few DH AB’s here and there. In the event that a trade for a pitcher came along then he could at least give them the flexibility to consider trading Gardner if the other team demanded him. Damon likely won’t sign for awhile so the Yanks were probably just cracking that door open just in case of that event or if he decided he’d accept a bench role later on…….

  34. Pat M. December 22nd, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    Rich in NJ…..The only thing that is gauranrteed for Posada is his 13 million dollar contract…..

  35. Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    “His defense was really poor last year”

    His UZR150 in LF wasn’t poor, it was 4.6. In fact, the only season he had a negative UZR/150 in LF was 2009.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....ngadvanced

  36. blake December 22nd, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    The Red Sox have outspent all other teams by 50 million this winter and that’s not even counting the extension they are about to give Gonzalez.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

  37. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    KPB December 22nd, 2010 at 11:03 pm
    GB7

    At least I didn’t pile on about the V word. Things are good thanks. I hope you have a merry Christmas, and don’t let killer drink and drive.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Well, Volorado isn’t such a bad place. Who wouldn’t love a woman with 3 of everything. Thanks for the holiday well wishes and I’ll keep an eye on “Killer”. What a lush.

  38. SAS December 22nd, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Erica,

    Just got home from dinner. This might be a great gift for you. How do you buy tix for a game and be sure Johnny will be playing…oh wait, I am getting ahead of myself here. It might be food for thought over a long weekend.

  39. Pat M. December 22nd, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    Rich in NJ…..Damon is terrrible in the outfield….Geez, I remember routine flyballs being an adventure for him…..It’s a fly ball to left and hold your breath……..I like JD, but II cannot see him returning to the Bronx unless he spells Jorge as the lh DH…..

  40. SAS December 22nd, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    I never saw the announcement that the Yankees signed Felicano

  41. Against All Odds December 22nd, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    He might not fit but I’d be ok with Damon rejoining the team.

  42. dc in el cerrito December 22nd, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    I mentioned the Damon rumor the other night & got zero responses. A buddy of mine ran into him & Damon told him the Yanks were interested in signing him.

  43. Captain Clutch December 22nd, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    His UZR150 in LF wasn’t poor, it was 4.6. In fact, the only season he had a negative UZR/150 in LF was 2009.
    ———–

    Watching someone play tells you a lot more than some web site and stupid numbers. Teixeira had a negative UZR on one of those web sites so that tells you how accurate those numbers are.

  44. ConcernedCitizen December 22nd, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    I knew I didn’t throw away my Damon t-shirt for a reason. Although I don’t think he fits, I would not be surprised if we (re)signed him.

  45. Nick in SF December 22nd, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    Checking in from just south of Zihautanejo. The word on the beach about Mr. Damon is “no mas”, but I supposed we’ll see.

    Boise State -17!

  46. KPB December 22nd, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    SAS

    Happy to see you made it home safely. How’s the princess handling her new castle? Is this her first time there?

  47. Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    Pat M.

    He’s better than Thames, who Chad proposed as an alternative, and frankly, he’s better than Jerry Hairston, who some seem to want.

  48. Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    “Watching someone play tells you a lot more than some web site and stupid numbers. Teixeira had a negative UZR on one of those web sites so that tells you how accurate those numbers are.”

    How many games did you see Damon play in 2010?

    UZR doesn’t adequately assess 1B. That’s well known and it doesn’t vitiate it’s utility.

    It’s a useful tool to be used with other tools. Nothing more, nothing less.

    But hey, if calling it stupid makes you feel good, go for it.

  49. Erica in NY December 22nd, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    I also want to say for the record that in one of the three games Johnny Damon played at Yankee Stadium in 2010 (his “down” year), he hit a home run.

    Reminding us all that his swing is pretty much made for that place

  50. SAS December 22nd, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    KPB,

    I am not speaking to Pup. While we were out to dinner, she went into my tote bag and tore up all the papers I brought out here, Then she went into the kitchen and ripped apart a bag filled with empty cans. She is on my S–T list.

  51. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 12:02 am

    SAS

    Sorry to hear that. It sounds like she might have been in communications with killer. That’s the sort of thing GB talks about him, getting drunk and corrupting young ladies.

  52. Against All Odds December 23rd, 2010 at 12:03 am

    # Erica in NY December 22nd, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    Reminding us all that his swing is pretty much made for that place

    ——————————–

    That would be the first thing Francesa says if Damon is brought back. Then he’ll go on and on about how they need each other. *rolls eyes*

  53. SAS December 23rd, 2010 at 12:05 am

    KPB,

    You know they have probably be communicating on the internet when GB and I (we) were sleeping.

    I am upset because if I am right the dam near MTU may not make it. It was just on the AZ news, and it sounds like the same place he has been talking about. Hope I am wrong.

  54. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 12:09 am

    “Reminding us all that his swing is pretty much made for that place”

    Based on his short-sighted decision to leave the Yankees after the 2009 season, the only one he really needs to remind of that fact is himself.

  55. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 12:13 am

    SAS

    Are you in the path if the dam breaks? Regardless, I hope your wrong also and nobody is in danger.

  56. CB December 23rd, 2010 at 12:14 am

    Whether or not Damon fits really depends on their evaluation of what he can contribute with his glove.

    If they see him as a guy who can fill in as an outfielder from time to time, then signing him might make sense.

    But if they don’t put much stock in his glove and see him more as a pinch hitter/ DH type, then they should just focus on signing Jim Thome.

    (Sorry for the above clause in my post Erica!)

  57. Erica in NY December 23rd, 2010 at 12:16 am

    CB-

    Its okay. You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

    Although, this new piece of news about Yankee/Johnny Communication certainly makes me feel much less silly for all of those times I posted “Sign Johnny Damon” over the last few weeks. I knew I was on to something!!!! ;-)

  58. Erica in NY December 23rd, 2010 at 12:18 am

    I absolutely crack myself up.

    Since my birthday AC trip was cancelled, I am going tomorrow. I have spent the last two and a half hours making the all important iTunes play list for the drive.

    I now have two great playlists.

    But I haven’t packed!!! :mad:

  59. SAS December 23rd, 2010 at 12:21 am

    KPB,

    We have had just a shower so far. It is to the North of us near MTU in the high desert and Los Angeles area. I was reading about it on the internet. Usually in a La Nina year it is extremely dry in the Southwest. Who knows.

  60. SAS December 23rd, 2010 at 12:23 am

    Nick in SF,

    The game is over 26-3 Boise State. Have a good vacation.

  61. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 12:26 am

    SAS

    I hope all goes well for you and nothing happens.

    It’s been a long day, so I’m going to bed. Try not let Pup get you to mad.

  62. SAS December 23rd, 2010 at 12:30 am

    KPB,

    Have a good night.

  63. tyanksfan36 December 23rd, 2010 at 12:39 am

    I feel bad for everyone dealing with inclement weather. Normally in Florida we have awful weather but we’ve been really lucky lately.

  64. Captain Clutch December 23rd, 2010 at 12:57 am

    Don’t get your hopes up…

    BloggingBombers Just texted w/Johnny Damon. He won’t rule out a return to the Yankees, but said other teams have called about making him an everyday player.

    BloggingBombers Johnny Damon had nothing but good things to say about the Yankees and NY. “New York is such an incredible place.”

    BloggingBombers Damon has talked for a long time about getting to 3,000 hits. He’s 429 away, so a part-time bench gig probably isn’t what he’s looking for.

  65. Jerkface December 23rd, 2010 at 1:14 am

    http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/.....pid=451629

    This is the link GB7 posted, its Justin Christian, who you might remember from 2008. He was with the yankees, got a cup of coffee and was sent back. Is currently with the Yankees again. Probably worth a look, but he is 30 and only has 40 MLB PAs.

  66. Pat M. December 23rd, 2010 at 1:45 am

    There are 2 left fields that suit Johnny Damon’s skill set…..Fenway Park and the left field that sits in my backyard for whiffleball…….The hedges are not to difficult to navigate…….Speaking of washed up ballplayers, tell me how lousy Hideki Matsui was in 2010…..Mats just roll out a decent season where he hit .280 +, 85+ rbi’s and smacked 20 + dingers……Yeah letting him walk last winter was a no brainer right Nick Johnson advocates……Keep Golson and resign Marcus Thames and hope Jorge can still catch up to fastballs from the left side……If not pass on Thames and ink Thome…….Better get proactive Brian before everybody of worth is off the board……

  67. Jerkface December 23rd, 2010 at 1:56 am

    Pat M, as you know I was for re-signing Matsui as DH (over Damon). He didn’t hit .280+ though, he hit .274 and was uncharacteristically poor against left handers which I don’t think would have helped the Yankees. I was also happy about the NJ signing once Matsui bolted for Cali. As you may have noticed, the yankee offense scored its highest average number of runs while NJ was healthy… and who could predict he would play his 2nd least amount of games ever? I’m sure pencilling him in for a DL stint was in the cards, I envisioned 120-140 games, but not 20s.

    Matsui is going to have a tough sled in Oakland. Wish him a lot of luck (not vs the Yankees)

  68. scuzzles December 23rd, 2010 at 1:57 am

    Bring DAMON back!!!!!!! He’s clutch. He’s money. DH him and Posada.

  69. Pat M. December 23rd, 2010 at 2:10 am

    Face….Mats put up very respectable numbers in 2010 was my point and he wasn’t some frail kneed has been that so many here were selling last winter….However after watching him inAnahiem, as summer turned to fall # 55 was having some trouble catching up to fastballs…….As for Nick’s and the Yanks scoring binge, that’s a hard one for me to buy….He sucked, yes you can tell me about his .380 or so on base % but he scored a handful of times, whiffed as much as he walks ( which is his norm )…But really Face he sucks

  70. Jerkface December 23rd, 2010 at 2:16 am

    He hit 22% line drives Pat, he was incredibly unlucky. Go watch the first 3 series over again and look at all the balls he smashed into the gaps that didn’t fall. Conversely, Jeter got incredibly lucky and we know after his .300 first month he was in the dumps.

    If Nick hadn’t popped his wrist he would have put up a solid season.

  71. Pat M. December 23rd, 2010 at 2:29 am

    Face, maybe you’re right about Nick…I haven’t heard a word about him this off season….Is he planning on making another comeback….I always liked him but I thought Matsiu would have been the better choice but Mats wasn’t waiting around for Cashman and his bs…..Angels came and he had 48 hours to accept the deal and he did….Cashman was not prepared for that at all……

  72. Jerkface December 23rd, 2010 at 2:35 am

    The Angels negotiating strategy is to put an offer out with a tight deadline. They’ve missed on most free agents that way. Its a shame it worked with Matsui.

  73. Pat M. December 23rd, 2010 at 2:49 am

    Mats was smart to take that contract as the market started to nosedive pretty quickly as Damon found out……Starting to rain again, I’m so over this rain….I’m suppose to hit the back 9 tomorrow…..Later Face, and once again sorry about being difficult earlier today…..

  74. Jerkface December 23rd, 2010 at 2:55 am

    No need to apologize. Alls fair in love and internet.

  75. sevrox December 23rd, 2010 at 4:40 am

    awwww…get a room!

  76. joeman December 23rd, 2010 at 6:29 am

    his last season here I watched and so did everyone else Damon play LF….you can’t tell me you didn’t prey the ball wouldn’t be hit to him….the stumbling around on a fly ball hit at him or the 8 bounces on a throw from short LF…..for what reason would you want him back ? Don’t give me this clubhouse thing …They don’t need a LHH who can’t play D they need SP & RP ….

  77. Mike Ri December 23rd, 2010 at 6:39 am

    Stupid question . .. But if we did acquire Damon. . does that make Gardner tradeable for a pitcher ??

  78. SAS December 23rd, 2010 at 6:44 am

    Not exactly, Johnny is a bad fielder.

  79. Mike Ri December 23rd, 2010 at 6:52 am

    ok . .Thanks SAS !

  80. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 6:57 am

    SAS-

    Got your e-mail regarding the Tree river dam.

    It was in trouble as of yesterday but in not in danger of imminent failure.

    It did rain fairly hard last night so I don’t know the status as of this morning.

    It would be a serious blow to the surrounding communities if it goes.

    I hope it doesn’t.

    Thanks for your concern.

  81. Doreen December 23rd, 2010 at 7:27 am

    Good morning, morning people.

    I wish Damon had signed last year.

    :?

  82. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 7:37 am

    Morning Doreen.

    How goes the Xmas prep ?

    :)

  83. Doreen December 23rd, 2010 at 7:50 am

    MTU -

    Good morning -

    It goes, it goes.

  84. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 7:59 am

    Doreen-

    Good thing you love to cook.

    The energizer bunny has nothing on you.

    :)

  85. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:01 am

    So far I would say that watching paint dry would be more exciting than our off season.

    By a lot.

    :)

  86. Carlo December 23rd, 2010 at 8:03 am

    Morning folks – for those of you saying the DH spot is spoken for, let us remember that Posada hit .248 last year including .230 (.783 OPS) post the all star break. No doubt he is a professional hitter, but last year wasn’t great, he is 39, and we dont know how he will adjust to being a full time DH. There are many examples of guys whose offense suffers from moving off the field into a primary DH role.

    We need a 4th outfielder who can fill in and not be a huge loss if one of our 3 starters goes down (recall, all 3 were hurt last year in some capacity despite all being young and athletic).

    Damon will get plenty of at bats because a) Posada is not a sure thing, b) we have no outfield depth, and c) his bat still plays……and he can be a more productive hitter than all 3 of our outfielders. Not saying he is…..but he can be….the guy has a career OPS of 896 in the new Yankee Stadium. Thats not something to scoff at.

  87. RSM December 23rd, 2010 at 8:09 am

    What Carlo said!

  88. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:09 am

    Carlo-

    I see 3 issues:

    1) Damon’s asking price might be too rich for Yankee blood.

    2) The fact that he may want to try to maximize his playing time
    elsewhere. He’s in a quest fro 3K hits.

    3) Damon is an adventure in the OF.

    Otherwise, I’m down with it.

  89. Doreen December 23rd, 2010 at 8:12 am

    MTU -

    I do love to cook. But I used to be able to work late into the evenings, and now I find I’ve got to stop a lot earlier. I don’t push myself, because that’s when I forget to put in the salt, or burn something (myself!) and things like that.

    Carlo -

    I think pitching should be the focus though. And Posada without the stress (physical) of catching, may actually have a better year at the plate. No harm in insurance, but I don’t think Damon is the guy this year. Wish they had him last season as the DH p/t out-fielder. His bat is Yankee-stadium friendly, but his fielding is, well, adventurous.

  90. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:15 am

    Doreen-

    Unless AP gives us a reprieve I think we are in a lot of trouble in the pitching dep’t.

    Let’s hope the outlook improves somehow.

  91. Joe from Long Island December 23rd, 2010 at 8:17 am

    Good morning –

    Sorry, Erica, but I just don’t see your PBF as a fit. I have way too much adventure in my life now, I don’t need Johnny in the OF. Plus the fact that he’s another lefty bat and nominal OF.

    I think his time has gone. Gone with the wind…..

  92. upstate kate December 23rd, 2010 at 8:18 am

    good morning early birds!!
    WOW, sounds like a possible late birthday present for Erica :)

  93. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:19 am

    Joe-

    Hope you enjoyed your trip to France, and Happy Holiday.

    What’s your prognosis for our OS Dr. ?

    :)

  94. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:21 am

    Kate-

    It’s a real longshot.

    I wouldn’t raise Erica’s hopes too much. Don’t want her pretend jilted again.

    ;)

  95. upstate kate December 23rd, 2010 at 8:22 am

    ah, I guess I should have read thru all the comments before posting!

  96. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Kate-

    We don’t need another pretend disaster for Erica.

    A second pretend disappoinmnet on JD ranks right up there with the death of a muppet !

    :(

  97. AldotheApache December 23rd, 2010 at 8:23 am

    MTU, mornin …

    Damon’s stated quest for 3,000 hits? I take that to be his pc way of declaring he’s looking for starter dollars, not 4th OFer money.

    We’re talking Scott Boras here.

  98. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:25 am

    Aldo-

    Perhaps.

    Either way I think a lot of things would have to fall just right for JD to return.

    The odds are against it.

  99. AldotheApache December 23rd, 2010 at 8:28 am

    I think Joe pretty much summed it up.

    Sorry Erica.

  100. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 8:33 am

    I don’t think the Yankees would sign Damon so that they could trade Gardner but if a deal materialized for a frontline starter and that team wanted Gardner then it would be nice to have at least talked to Damon to give yourself options. Also in case as the offseason wears on Johnny decides that he’s option to a complementary role in NY.

    Thome would be a really nice addition but I was thinking he would stay in Minnesota. Thome is one of my favorite non-yankees and he fits NYS to perfection.

  101. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:33 am

    The Good:

    CC, AP, PH, Gavin Floyd, AJ or CC,AP,PH,AJ,Nova

    The Bad:

    CC,PH, AJ, Garcia, Nova

    And The Ugly:

    CC,AJ, PH,Nova, Pitcher X from the Minors.

    Calling Clint Eastwood. We need the Good. Not the bad or the ugly.

  102. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:35 am

    Blake-

    Let’s not trade GGBG. He’s cc light at a fraction of the cost.

    If he can stay healthy he’s a difference maker.

    :)

  103. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 8:36 am

    Damon’s quest for 3,000 isn’t all that realistic really…..he’s about 3 full seasons away at his past production and that’s with an every day job…..

  104. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:38 am

    Blake-

    But Boras said Damon has the type of body to allow him to play for a 100 years.

    You mean you don’t believe him ?

    :)

  105. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 8:40 am

    MTU,

    I don’t want to trade Gardner but I would for the right starting pitcher…..in the event that something opened up it would be nice to have talked to some options to replace him.

  106. disco stu December 23rd, 2010 at 8:40 am

    I think Posada is basically done at this point – declining skills, slow bat, one nagging injury after another … and an ever increasing surly attitude that I am fed up with.

    I dont the Yankees needed to go to that 4th year after ’07, but they saw he was talking to the Mets and caved. Nothing you can do about that now. But at this point he is clogging a lineup spot (DH) where others (like a Johnny Damon or Manny Ramirez or even Jesus Montero) could probably give them more productivity.

    I dont see why the Yankeesj just redefine his role in the last year of his contract and have him be more or less than what Ruben Sierra was a few years back – part time DH, part time catcher, even spell Tex a day or two at first (he’s played firstbase in the past), and bat off the bench late in games.

    This way the DH slot opens up more and someone like a Johnny Damon or Manny Ramirez could have more at bats.

    If Posada has a problem with that, then too bad … he is the one member of “Core 4″ that I am not exactly pining to see at future Old-Timer’s Games.

  107. Phranchise December 23rd, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Why not? The only way you can really argue not signing him is if he was blocking Curtis or someone else they think has a long term future and can play here now. He is too good a hitter and hits lefties. The two hole was also a mix match setup last year. They need Jeter to get back to getting on base and set the stage for Tex and Arod to bounce back. For Damon though, 300 at bats probably is not enough and the Yankees will pay him as a bench guy/dh, not a starter so can’t see how this will happen at all. Also playing sparingly would keep Damon’s legs fresh and healthy which would be another nice bonus for us. But again, can’t see this happening.

  108. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 8:41 am

    MTU,

    Nope ;)

  109. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Blake-

    I might too but it would have to be for someone really good.

    Just opens up another hole I’m not sure we can fill so easily.

    Damon is poor filler for a guy like GGBG.

    GGBG is a Plus defender. Damon is wobbly compared to him.

  110. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Blake-

    It’s obvious to me that your momma didn’t raise no fool.

    :)

  111. Phranchise December 23rd, 2010 at 8:46 am

    You can’t trade a cheap option like Gardner who is good defensivley in LF or CF and is capable of stealing 50 bases a season. Even if he isn’t a starter, what would you want from a fourth OF and pinch hitter?? You need a guy to get on and get in scoring position last in a game? Done. You need a guy who can bunt a guy over? Done. You need a pinch hitter or defensive replacement? Done. And the guy makes no money and won’t for a while. He is worth much more to the Yankees than he would draw in a trade. And his lack of salary along with younger players keeps the payroll lower and flexable for big signings to offset the big contracts we have given out the past few years.

  112. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:48 am

    “You need a guy who can bunt a guy over? Done. ”

    With GGBG. Not done. At least a good portion of the time.

    Needs work.

    ;)

  113. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 8:48 am

    MTU,

    are we sure Gardner’s wrist is going to be 100%….what if it flairs up early in the season? I like Gardner a lot and wouldn’t trade him unless.the deal made a lot of sense……but its nice to have options. I don’t think.Damon will sign for awhile so its smart to make a connection just in.case things change in the coming weeks.

  114. Phranchise December 23rd, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Damon makes more sense to sign with Rays or something along those lines. But he is pretty limited to an AL team that needs outfield depth and has an open spot at DH/

  115. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 8:53 am

    You can absolutely trade Gardner for the right starting pitcher. He’s good and cheap and for those reasons he has trade value. For the record Im not advocating trading him unless a significant upgrade to the rotation is coming back.

  116. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:53 am

    Blake-

    I wanted Diaz.

    :(

  117. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 9:00 am

    MTU,

    He would have been a nice pickup. Its tough to get quality players to come to the Yankees for bench roles because they know they aren’t going to play much unless someone gets hurt.

  118. Chip December 23rd, 2010 at 9:00 am

    Blake -

    I agree that Gardner isn’t an untouchable and if he is moved then Damon makes a ton of sense as a 1 year replacement.

    Barring a trade of Gardner though I don’t see Damon fitting anymore than I saw Jim Thome as a fit.

    Personally, given the roster as currently constructed, I would almost prefer Andruw Jones.

  119. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 9:00 am

    Blake-

    I agree with you in the sense that GGBG has huge trade value.

    The return for him would have to be excellent.

    Posednik would be a good short term filler.

    He offers much of the same as the Gritster on a temporary basis.

    I would really rather not move him at all.

  120. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 9:01 am

    MTU,

    Did you see the talk on here.yesterday about Danks? Pipe dream I know….

  121. The Genius Maker December 23rd, 2010 at 9:03 am

    The answer to the question Chad asks is a simple NO!

    I still don’t think people realize how good Gardner is and also how valuable he is because he is so cheap. In fact, Gardner (and perhaps Cano) are the most valuable people on the team. Before Gardner hurt hos wrist he was extremely close to Crawford in total value. Crawford has more power, but Gardner has a better arm and the rest is pretty close (Gardner actually stole a little more). Now Gardner may not hit like he did before his injury, but do not mistake how valuable he is.

    Value = performance based on dollars spent for player

  122. Mike Ri December 23rd, 2010 at 9:03 am

    If we got Damon. . I’d trade Brett to Houston for Wandy or Atlanta for Lowe .

  123. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Blake-

    I did. And you’re right. A pipe dream, unfortunately.

    GB really likes him. I do too.

    Floyd or Jackson are much more obtainable.

    I’m still hoping for Andy.

  124. Mike Ri December 23rd, 2010 at 9:05 am

    new thread —- >

  125. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 9:05 am

    And GGBG’s OBP destroys cc’s.

    You forgot that one !

    ;)

  126. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Mike-

    Mo effin’ way. those guys are not nearly good enough to lose GGBG over IMO.

  127. Erica in NY December 23rd, 2010 at 9:07 am

    Hey everyone-

    I am leaving now and will return tomorrow. But I leave you all knowing my fingers are fixed crossed for the impending return of Johnny Damon.

    Just in case you have any lingering doubts about where I stand….. I think its a terrific idea to sign him :-)

  128. Erica in NY December 23rd, 2010 at 9:09 am

    new thread :arrow:

  129. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 9:09 am

    edit:

    “No effin’ way”. Obviously. Mo would not approve though.

    :)

  130. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Lowe or Wandy aren’t enough to make that swap I don’t think.

    Genious, I think everyone or at least I do know Gardner’s value. You don’t trade him just for the sake of trading him because the Yankees need him. That still wouldn’t stop me from moving him for the right pitcher. Gardner is in his late 20′s and has shown to have some injury risk….once he gets into the arb years (which will be pretty soon) he won’t hold as much value as he does now. He could improve sure but right now could also be the peak of his value. I keep him unless a trade develops to significantly upgrade the rotation.

  131. Chip December 23rd, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Here’s a Brett Gardner trade that I would find acceptable:

    Gardner + Joba to the Padres for Clayton Richard

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