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Looking for pinch hitters

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 22, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The pinch hitters series has become something of a tradition here at the LoHud Yankees Blog, and we’re looking forward to continuing it in January.

As always, we’re looking for volunteers who would like to write a guest post for the month or so leading into spring training. Maybe it’s your take on the (lack of) offseason moves, or your full-throated defense of Francisco Cervelli as an everyday catcher, or your unique view of a Yankee past or present.

Email your ideas to me — a few sentences explaining what you want to write — and I’ll make some choices and start organization a schedule. At some point in early January, I’ll start contacting those chosen for the series. Please, no more than one proposal per person. It’s not necessarily first come, first serve, so take your time coming up with what you want to write.

I’ll probably start making some choices the first week of January, but the absolute cutoff for submissions will be Friday, January 7. Keep in mind that the actual posts should generally be around 400 words. Some will have to to be longer, but try to aim for that number. Send your ideas to: cjennings (at) lohud.com

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125 Responses to “Looking for pinch hitters”

  1. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 9:09 am

    I meant to give this a whirl last year but forgot – I’ll definately do it this year.

  2. MTU December 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Chip-

    What trade are you gonna write about ?

    :)

  3. Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2010 at 9:24 am

    How about posts that debate between topics, like stat v. anti-stat people, or constructing a team by the rotisserie method v. growing your own, etc.?

  4. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2010 at 9:26 am

    The Royals had deals in place or close to it with at least three teams, including the Blue Jays and Nationals. Greinke refused to approve a trade to Washington or Toronto or an earlier offer to go to the Yankees—three of 15 locations on his no-trade list. Greinke agreed to accept a trade to Milwaukee, which was also on his no-trade list.

  5. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Sorry I forgot the link.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ru.....mlb-298678

    Can we stop blaming Cashman for this one.

  6. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 9:29 am

    From MLBTradeRumors

    The Mariners are looking for “an impact bat” for David Aardsma…I don’t know what that means. Are they looking for someone to come in right away and slug or are they looking for a slugging prospect?

    I can’t see anyone giving them a top flight prospect for Aardsma considering his contract status and relative short history of success. Maybe if they included a prospect they could get something quality back for Aardsma.

    Also Jerry Crasnick is now tweeting that the Yankees have some interest in Jeff Francis.

  7. Bring in the Goose December 22nd, 2010 at 9:29 am

    Dear Andy,

    Either grab a chair and chop up some of that menhaden, or grab a rod and catch some damn fish!

    Sincerely,

    Captain, USS Yankee

  8. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 9:30 am

    MTU December 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 am
    Chip-

    What trade are you gonna write about ?

    ————————

    Megan Fox vs. Angelina Jolie

  9. Erin December 22nd, 2010 at 9:30 am

    I could write one on the awesomeness of Robinson Cano. ;)

  10. MTU December 22nd, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Chip-

    That’s just Jack Z. being Jack Z.

    Not the sharpest knife in the drawer is he ?

    ;)

  11. MTU December 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 am

    Erin-

    Pick something harder.

    Chip-

    This blog is PG buddy.

    :)

  12. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 am

    Chip – on which is the most overrated?

  13. 108 stitches December 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 am

    Talking about Lee and Greinke is a dead subject. We’ll never really know to what extent they were pursued and now it’s of no significance.
    If the season started today, it would have to be hoped that Rothschild worked magic with Burnett and Chamberlain. Nova would be the No. 4 starter and Noesi or Phelps the No. 5 starter, and Mitre the long man in the bullpen.
    Can’t be sure what the status of Ramiro Pena would be but the better bat of Nunez would win out. The extra OF would be either Laird or Golson.
    Once Lee went to Philly, Cashman’s foot dragging started and now he’s thrilled about lowering the payroll and luxury tax.

  14. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 am
    Chip – on which is the most overrated?

    ——————–

    Blasphemer

  15. Erin December 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 am

    cgrand14 congrats to @NickSwisher and @JoAnnaLGarcia on celebrating their first holiday season as husband and wife!

    cgrand14 @CC_Sabathia is doing some amazing things back in his hometown this week with his PitCCh In Foundation

  16. upstate kate December 22nd, 2010 at 9:36 am

    I was hoping for Erica writing about her pretend relationship w/ Johnny D

    The Simpsons had an episode on last Sunday that featured Lisa as a sabre loving manager of Bart’s LL team. It was quite amusing. She starts applying sabremetrics and the team starts winning. Bill James was a guest voice.

  17. MTU December 22nd, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Chip-

    I have a question for you on Jolie.

    How many times a day do you think she has to fill her lips up with air ?

    :)

  18. Mell December 22nd, 2010 at 9:37 am

    “Megan Fox vs. Angelina Jolie”

    Damn! I was looking forward to a 500 word dissertation on why Mike Morse would make a fine Yankee. :)

  19. ac1 December 22nd, 2010 at 9:37 am

    I love how people here think Cashman is THRILLED that Hal Steinbrenner wants him to lower payroll. I don’t care what he says publicly, but i seriously doubt that he is thrilled that he cannot go out and make deals and make trades the way he is used to.

  20. disco stu December 22nd, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Since someone like a Jeff Francis would be the type of pitcher the Yankees would be looking to get in May if CC, Hughes, or A.J. were to get hurt, it probably makes sense to get him now instead of later when they might have to pay more.

    If Andy is indeed retiring, the Yankees need to add depth to their rotation – if not in quality, at least in quantity. Nova and Mitre should be fall back options if a starter goes down for 2 weeks, not as the team’s 4th and 5th starters to start the season.

  21. Erica in NY December 22nd, 2010 at 9:39 am

    upstate kate December 22nd, 2010 at 9:36 am
    I was hoping for Erica writing about her pretend relationship w/ Johnny D

    ********************

    I could write about how the Yankees should sign Johnny Damon!!!!!!!!

  22. Mell December 22nd, 2010 at 9:40 am

    “but i seriously doubt that he is thrilled that he cannot go out and make deals and make trades the way he is used to”

    What reason is there to believe this is the case?

  23. Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2010 at 9:43 am

    I would like to know what the Yankees offered for Greinke, if anything.

  24. Mike Ri December 22nd, 2010 at 9:45 am

    “Megan Fox vs. Angelina Jolie”

    ——
    Good Lord !

  25. upstate kate December 22nd, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Erica
    that would work, isn’t him being your PBF part of why he should be re-signed?

  26. SAS December 22nd, 2010 at 9:46 am

    It seems to me that Cashman gets a pass until after the winter is over. Circumstances beyond his control have kept him from signing his 2 picks as pitchers….and let’s face it, we didn’t need Crawford.

    ———————————————————————-

    Jeff Francis was just mentioned. Who is he? What position does he play, etc??? Thanks.

  27. blake December 22nd, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Rich,

    I would as well. From the reports it sounds like the Royals asked for the moon at the Winter meetings and then the Yanks just never followed up…..that may or not be the case.

  28. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Here’s a thought – albeit probably not a good one:

    St. Louis gets: Jesus Montero, Nova, Gardner, Phelps or Warren and one other prospect

    NYY get: Colby Rasmus, Jamie Garcia

    I take it back – it is a good thought – just not a realistic one.

  29. SAS December 22nd, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Erica,

    I hope your birthday weekend was terrific.

  30. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 9:48 am

    MTU December 22nd, 2010 at 9:36 am
    Chip-

    I have a question for you on Jolie.

    How many times a day do you think she has to fill her lips up with air ?

    ——————

    I have an extremely off color response to that question but as you say – this is a PG blog.

  31. RayVT December 22nd, 2010 at 9:48 am

    I expect the starting Yankee Lineup to be something like the following:

    11 Brett Gardner LF
    2 Derek Jeter SS
    24 Robinson Cano 2B
    13 Alex Rodriguez 3B
    25 Mark Teixeira 1B
    33 Nick Swisher RF
    20 Jorge Posada DH
    Curtis Granderson CF
    Martin, Russell C

    83 Jesus Montero C/DH
    Brandon Laird 1B/3B/RF/LF
    Greg Golson OF
    Eduardo Nunez 2B/SS

    I also believe Cervelli will be traded unless he has a minor league option still available to go to AAA. I think Martin catches 80 games, Montero catches 50 games & Posada catches 30 games (Maybe all of Pettite’s starts). Martin would also fulfill the defensive Catcher role. I expect Montero to DH 30 to 50 games as well, with Posada DH roughly 100 games. This is a very good lineup.

  32. MTU December 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 am

    SAS-

    Francis is a lefty who came up with and pitched for the Rockies.

    He is one of a group of many who is recovering from arm trouble.

  33. upstate kate December 22nd, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Chip
    can you figure out a trade where the Yankees get Garza?!

  34. MTU December 22nd, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Chip-

    I can imagine.

    It’s good you held your tongue.

    Think of the children from Vermont who might be on here.

    ;)

  35. RayVT December 22nd, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Jeff Francis is a LHP who had shoulder surgery in 2009. He came back late in 2010 and was mostly ineffective. He was suggested by Steve Phillips as a guy the Yanks should consider in his “Fix My Team” series on Fanhouse.

    At one time Francis was a very good LHP. I think he could translate well in Yankee stadium & agree he should get a chance to see what he has in the tank with the Yanks.

  36. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Ray -

    I can’t imagine the Yankees going into the season with a bench that young; it just isn’t their style.

    My guess is that you’ll see (at least for the first couple of months) Cervelli as the backup catcher; a veteran fourth outfielder like a Reed Johnson, and a veteran slugger like Andruw Jones.

    My guess on the lineup itself:

    Jeter – SS
    Martin – C
    Tex – 1b
    Alex – 3b
    Cano – 2b
    Swisher – RF
    Posada – DH
    Granderson – CF
    Gardner – LF

  37. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 9:53 am

    upstate kate December 22nd, 2010 at 9:50 am
    Chip
    can you figure out a trade where the Yankees get Garza?
    —————————

    No for two reasons:

    1. Don’t think Tampa really wants to trade him
    2. Can’t think of a reason why Tampa would want to help out the Yankees anymore than I can think of a reason why the Red Sox would want to help out the Yankees.

  38. MTU December 22nd, 2010 at 9:53 am

    I can’t believe it.

    Just looked out the back window and saw something I haven’ seen in
    5 days.

    A little patch of blue sky. There’s hope.

    Woo Hoo !

    :) :) :)

  39. upstate kate December 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Chip
    don’t be so Grinchy, you are the master of trades!!!

  40. MTU December 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 am

    I am stopping construction of the Ark forthwith.

  41. coney1 December 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 am

    From NY Baseball Digest (which has some pretty reliable writers):

    Pettitte, Lowe, and Yankees Inactivity

    This entry was posted on December 22nd, 2010 @ 9:00 am by Frank Russo.
    You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed.

    In talking with my main Yankees source in Tampa there still is hope from the Yankees that Andy Pettitte will return in 2011. Some players, including Mariano Rivera, are working on convincing Pettitte to come back for another run.

    The Braves continue to call the Yankees about Derek Lowe, but as of this writing there isn’t any interest. Last year Atlanta wanted to send Lowe, not Javier Vazquez, when the two teams began talking. Brian Cashman preferred Vazquez who was coming off a career year with the Braves in 2009. Personally I think Lowe is a great fit for what the Yankees need in the rotation. He will give them innings, veteran presence, and has postseason experience. It doesn’t hurt that he already has proved he can navigate the American League East. Even if Pettitte returns they should acquire Lowe as I believe none of the kids are ready to step in full time.

    There is also many in the Yankees organization “scratching their heads” at the inactivity of Brian Cashman thus far. What is even more frustrating is how the team put all their eggs in the Cliff Lee basket. Not only that, but the whole saga paralyzed them for weeks. Remember, they didn’t even sign Russell Martin until Lee agreed to a deal with the Phillies. NYBD has had a couple of industry sources tell us the Yanks were very upfront about how they couldn’t move forward with any moves until the Lee situation was straightened out.

    Cashman is not in danger of losing his job, right now, but this has the makings of a disaster. If the lack of moves derails their 2011 season you can be sure it will be an indictment on Cashman. Remember, things have a way of changing quickly in the “Yankees Universe.”

  42. Erica in NY December 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 am

    SAS December 22nd, 2010 at 9:47 am
    Erica,

    I hope your birthday weekend was terrific.

    **************

    Thank you! It was :-)

  43. Erica in NY December 22nd, 2010 at 9:56 am

    upstate kate December 22nd, 2010 at 9:46 am
    Erica
    that would work, isn’t him being your PBF part of why he should be re-signed?

    ***********

    Yes, but the critical minds out there could want better reasons for signing Johnny Damon that “Cause I said so”

  44. Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2010 at 9:58 am

    From NY Baseball Digest (which has some pretty reliable writers):

    ????

    Frank Russo’s stuff is comical.

  45. Mike Ri December 22nd, 2010 at 9:58 am

    I like Lowe and suggested him a few weeks back . . . Needless to say I got slaughtered for it…… .. He’s a veteran. a grinder . ….

  46. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 9:59 am

    upstate kate December 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 am
    Chip
    don’t be so Grinchy, you are the master of trades!!!

    ——————-

    Sorry Kate,

    Best I can do for you is hold out hope that Garza gets traded to a team like the Rockies, they fall out of the race by midseason and the Yankees swing a deadline deal to get him at that point.

  47. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Coney —

    Not to be a snob, but their stuff can’t be that reliable with writing like this:

    There is also many in the Yankees organization “scratching their heads” at the inactivity of Brian Cashman thus far.

  48. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Cashman will be fired by this time next year…and he deserves it.

  49. upstate kate December 22nd, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Chip
    I guess that will have to do

  50. SAS December 22nd, 2010 at 10:02 am

    MTU, Ray,

    Thanks for answering my question

  51. coney1 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Chip,

    Why would that not be considered reliable? Several mainstream writers were saying the same thing a few days ago, that several of the Yankee front office folks were wondering what Brian Cashman was thinking.

  52. MTU December 22nd, 2010 at 10:04 am

    “Here comes the sun, here comes the sun,
    and I say it’s all right

    Little darling, it’s been a long cold lonely winter
    Little darling, it feels like years since it’s been here
    Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
    and I say it’s all right

    Little darling, the smiles returning to the faces
    Little darling, it seems like years since it’s been here
    Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
    and I say it’s all right

    Sun, sun, sun, here it comes…
    Sun, sun, sun, here it comes…
    Sun, sun, sun, here it comes…
    Sun, sun, sun, here it comes…
    Sun, sun, sun, here it comes… ”

    Thank you Beatles. Thank you Lord.

    : )

  53. Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2010 at 10:09 am

    “Cashman will be fired by this time next year…and he deserves it.”

    I’ll take the over.

  54. Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2010 at 10:10 am

    And btw, Bret

    But for the stellar job that Cash has done with the farm system, you would have no chips to trade in your fantasy proposals.

  55. BoJo December 22nd, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Chip–

    I would enjoy reading an article on what hallucinogenics you take to come up with these trade ideas. :-)

  56. coney1 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 am

    At this point Cashman should be fired. The fact that this team was in the situation where they had to put all of their eggs in one basket is troublesome to begin with. This team has not developed higher end pitching talent yet with the exception of Hughes and Wang. What would have happened had Sabathia not signed here before the 2009 season. You would currently be looking at a rotation of Phil Hughes, A.J. Burnett, maybe a guy like Derek Lowe, Ivan Nova, and Hector Noesi. Just TERRIBLE. These are the YANKEES. They need to be looking to add complementary pieces not signing every big name free agent because they can’t get creative in putting together a team. Cashman has relied on the Giambis, Sabathias, Burnetts, Teixeiras, Matsuis, Sheffields, Mussinas, etc for way too long now.

    The late 90s teams were a blend of strong talent built through homegrown prospects, mid-level FA signings and solid trades. They hardly ever signed a big name free agent or traded for a huge name other than Roger Clemens. Their FA signings were more along the lines of Jimmy Key, David Wells, Tim Raines, Orlando Hernandez, Chili Davis, etc. Their trades were for the likes of Paul O’Neill, Tino Martinez, Joe Girardi, Scott Brosius, etc. Then they filled in with Jeter, Bernie, Rivera, Pettitte, Posada, Leyritz, etc. They didn’t bow down to a Cliff Lee back then in the hopes of saving their season. They didn’t need to, they had plenty of pitching in David Cone, Wells, Gooden, Pettitte, Key, Clemens, El Duque, Rogers, etc.

  57. Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Cashman’s team won the WS last year and he should be fired.

    This is getting boring.

  58. Mike Ri December 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 am

    I can’t blame Cashman ,

    1- We can’t blame him for Lee. Cliff wanted to go to Philly . The Yanks were probably third on the list of teams Lee thought about going to.

    2- He Listened in on Greinke . . but by all accounts the asking price was insane. Could he have been a little more aggressive and persuasive with the Roylas. . . …. maybe.. But being the Yankees your always going to be taxed the highest.

    3- There just not much on the market, and theres no legit available ACE out there worth trading Montero and prospects for.

    Remember there still time for Cashmoney too redeem himself.

  59. RayVT December 22nd, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 9:52 am

    The Yanks have had some young benches to start a season, but usually get veterans for the latter half of the season.

  60. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 10:16 am

    coney1 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:02 am
    Chip,

    Why would that not be considered reliable? Several mainstream writers were saying the same thing a few days ago, that several of the Yankee front office folks were wondering what Brian Cashman was thinking.

    ———————–

    I was talking about the grammar not the sentiment

  61. ac1 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Cashman is not in danger of losing his job, right now, but this has the makings of a disaster. If the lack of moves derails their 2011 season you can be sure it will be an indictment on Cashman. Remember, things have a way of changing quickly in the “Yankees Universe.”

    __

    Cashman is working on the orders of Hal Steinbrenner, the same guy who would need to fire him. He says he wants payroll down, so thats what has to happen. Cashman is in no danger of being fired.

    Now, if for some reason Cashman decided to leave, Yankees should looko HARD at Andrew Friedman. He has done a lot with very little.

  62. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 10:16 am

    RayVT December 22nd, 2010 at 10:15 am
    Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 9:52 am

    The Yanks have had some young benches to start a season, but usually get veterans for the latter half of the season.

    —————–

    Not the last few years though.

  63. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Bret – If cashman is not fired this time next year, can we fire you?

  64. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 am
    Cashman will be fired by this time next year…and he deserves it.

    ——————–

    Really? Because Cliff Lee opted to sign with another team Brian Cashman deserves to be fired two years after putting together a World Series team?

  65. ac1 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Cashman has relied on the Giambis, Sabathias, Burnetts, Teixeiras, Matsuis, Sheffields, Mussinas, etc for way too long now.

    __

    Cashman wasn’t in charge of the minors until a few years ago and now he is developing the young guys. It takes a few years to develop the minors and it is definitely better down there then it was a few years ago.

  66. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Chip – Bret has taken over as the most delusional person around here.

  67. ac1 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:20 am

    The Yanks have had some young benches to start a season, but usually get veterans for the latter half of the season.

    —————–

    Not the last few years though.

    __

    Really? 2 years ago is was Hairston and Hinske (veterans)

    Last year, Berkman, Kearns, Wood (not the bench but still), as well as an a deal for Cliff Lee that he ended up being screwed on.

    That isnt picking up veterans at the trade deadline?

  68. Mell December 22nd, 2010 at 10:23 am

    “He has done a lot with very little.”

    Except for all those Top 3 draft picks

  69. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2010 at 10:25 am

    ID,

    When you get through spooning with Cashman, let us know.

  70. RayVT December 22nd, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Last year the Yanks had Pena, Cervelli, Thames & Winn as their bench. When NJ got hurt they moved to Pena, Cervelli, Miranda & Winn and soon thereafter to replacing Winn with an array of folks – Russo, Curtis etc.

    That is a weak bench. I believe Montero, Laird, Golson & Nunez is much stronger and more balanced. Perhaps Jorge Vazquez could replace Laird or Golson.

    I wonder if any teams would be interested in Pena & Cervelli?

  71. DaSaint007 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:27 am

    The Lee & Greinke sagas are over. Let’s move on.

    Cashman hasn’t done a good job this offseason, at least to this point. But he’s been consistent in adding players who provide flexibility, either positional or contractual.

    Russel Martin and Pedro Feliciano are safe, affordable pickups, and fill pressing needs.

    But the other pressing need is in the starting rotation, and that remains unresolved.
    At this point, I’d seriously consider a Justin Duchscherer, Jeff Francis, or Brandon Webb, as well as taking a hard look at the kids out of AAA during ST.

  72. pat December 22nd, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Here’s a tweet that jumped out at me this morning………

    AndrewMarchand RT @RalphVuono: @AndrewMarchand The 90′s Yankee dynasty was built on fiscal restraint & growing the farm system. not big spending .. Agreed

  73. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Bret – When you stop crying about everything and blaming things on people that they have no control over, go away anyway.

  74. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Still spooning with Cash I see…

  75. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Coney -

    But CC did sign here. You look at a team like Tampa that built almost entirely from within and you wonder why the Yankees can’t do that and the answer is that to get guys like Longoria, BJ Upton, David Price, Delmon Young (whom they turned into Matt Garza) they had to stink for years and accumulate high draft picks.

    The Yankees don’t stink and so they don’t get the high draft picks; which means they have to not only get lucky with the picks that they have but they have to augment from outside the organization.

    The free agents you mention from the mid 90′s, they’re not that much different than the guys the Yankees are currently bringing in – they just got paid less.

    The Yankees didn’t “bow down” to Cliff Lee, they recognized him for what he was – the best pitcher on the market and the only guy on the market who truly filled a need for them so they made him an offer – do you want Cashman to turn to free agents and say “you know what guys – you should come here for free because we’re the effing Yankees.” It doesn’t work that way.

    They hardly traded for or signed big name players? Really? You don’t consider David Cone, Jack McDowell, John Wetteland, Wade Boggs to be big name players?

  76. RayVT December 22nd, 2010 at 10:29 am

    ac1 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:20 am

    I think Chip was saying the Yanks usually start with some veterans as well. Like last year with Winn & Thames. I was saying I thought the Yanks would go with youth as backups this year & add veterans as needed the last half of the year.

  77. ac1 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:30 am

    ah….

    Anyway, with a gun to Merchand’s head he thinks we will get Felix at the trade deadline.

    AndrewMarchand RT @BAbassAle: @AndrewMarchand Gun to yr head, U think the yanks eventually end up with King Felix or Josh Johnson at the deadline? // King

  78. DaSaint007 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Ray,

    If Martin is the starting C, and Montero is going to get meaningful time at C, then Cervelli has no place on the team, and is tradable.

    If Nunez has a better bat than Pena, which he does (though Pena has a knack for hitting with runners in scoring position), then he too is expendable.

    But Cervelli and Pena probably won’t bring much back that’s better than what we have at Scranton.

  79. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Bret – When you have an opinion that isn’t based off of twitter, let us know.

  80. pat December 22nd, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Erin

    The vacationers had a very nice surprise visitor. Go look if you haven’t already seen who.

  81. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2010 at 10:32 am

    It is no surprise you name yourself after a fake wrestler.

  82. tyanksfan36 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:32 am

    I know Cashman is the GM but he likely isn’t the one making every decision. I’m sure when the Royals made the proposal for Montero, Nunez and one of our top pitching prospects, he got together with someone to discuss if that was a good plan. I’m sure they don’t let him make those big decisions alone. He does however get blamed for a lot. I don’t think he has done a bad job, people just choose somewhere else over NY(wood, lee) there is still time to find people before spring.

  83. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Caress those nuts ID. Hug, kiss and caress em.

  84. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 10:33 am

    And Coney -

    If you want to talk about the good old days when (in your opinion) the Yankees stayed away from the big name players then you should be thrilled with Cash over the last couple of years:

    Guys like Martin, Feliciano, Nick Johnson, Austin Kearns, Swisher Curtis Granderson – they’re not the huge back-page names. And at the same time, just like the Yankees augmented from within with guys like Jeter, Bernie, Mo, and Andy back in the day – now they’re doing it with Hughes, Gardner, Cano, Montero…

    Did the Yankees get away from it a bit in the early part of 2000s – sure – but guess what; you can’t fire Cashman for what happened 10 years ago.

    He built a championship team in 2009, a team that went to the ALCS last year and neither of those are firable offenses.

  85. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Padres stated yesterday that they were not bringing back Hairston Jr. right? Sign him up. I don’t think having a bench with 5 21 year olds is a good idea.

  86. upstate kate December 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 am

    tyanksfan
    don’t be so reasonable…Cashman is the current whipping boy
    How did your end of semester go?

  87. hardwired7 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 am

    Putting a gun to Jack Zduriencik’s would be the only way the Yanks end up w/Hernandez, unfortunately.

  88. Joe from Long Island December 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 am

    Good morning, all –

    Life has been busy this time of year, as you can imagine. So, I was sipping coffee and catching up from last night. Man, there are some sour posts. I would have thought the holiday season would brighten things up a bit, especially since ST is a couple months away, and Opening Day even farther away. Guess not.

  89. hardwired7 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:36 am

    *Jack Z.’s head*

  90. disco stu December 22nd, 2010 at 10:36 am

    I think the fact that the Yankees miscalucated so badly with Lee makes their decision making this past summer hurt even more.

    The Yankees went from being overly aggressive with trying to get Lee from the Mariners before the All-Star break to developing “feet of clay” a couple of weeks later when Dan Haren was available. They didnt need Lee at the time the trade was being discussed because the 5 starters they had were all healthy and all pitching well (even A.J. and Vasquez at that point). Yet, they saw a unique opportunity to go after him, but failed to get him.

    Then Andy got hurt in his first start after the All Star Break against the Angels and there was a need for a replacement. Enter Dan Haren talks, which never materialized into a trade – probably because they figured the money they would be spending on Haren would be better served for Lee in the off season.

    This is where the Yankees seem to have lost the importance of forsight. How could they not take into consideration that Andy Pettitte may retire after 2010 and they could simply use Dan Haren as his replacement and still go after Lee. More importantly, how could they just have assumed Lee would sign with them just because they could throw the most money at him – did they not read his quotes about how disappointed he was once he was traded from Phillly after the Halladay trade last December. As fans, we have the luxury to assume such things, but we are not involved in the decision making.

    Cashman always likes to talk about “due dilligence” … I think that was lost during the summer and now the price to be paid is very steep.

  91. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Chip – … but Cashman didn’t sign Frank Frankerton, the phenom lefty that has yet to give up an earned run in his life. I hear he only wants $100 a game… In addition to all of the other non-existent free agents he should have signed and 21-year old babe-ruth-esque prospects that he should have traded Igawa for.

    Cashman’s problem is that he only works within the realm of reality, he should be fired.

  92. blake December 22nd, 2010 at 10:37 am

    The Yankees aren’t the only team that has lost out on a free agent. Remember Mark Teixera and the Red Sox or Sabathia or Crawford with the Angels? Had the Sox landed Teixera or Sabathia landed in LA, the Yankees would have been forced to empty their farm system in trades the way the Red Sox have had to.

  93. DaSaint007 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:37 am

    boston improved where they had to – their bullpen. Lineup change was a wash.
    Rays regressed – they lost their bullpen and Crawford.
    Toronto is status quo.
    Baltimore will improve just due to Shoalwater.

    After all that, and even with our rotational deficiencies, IMO, the Yankees still match up well against boston to win AL East.

  94. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Cashman won’t be able to buy his way out of this either. The pitchers in next year’s free agent class are horrible.

    So really we’ll be looking at 1 impact addition in 3 years for Cashman – Granderson.

  95. Mell December 22nd, 2010 at 10:38 am

    “AndrewMarchand RT @RalphVuono: @AndrewMarchand The 90’s Yankee dynasty was built on fiscal restraint & growing the farm system. not big spending .. Agreed”

    This is true. However, the Yankees shouldn’t exactly be patting themselves on the back for fiscal restraint here. They offered a long term contract of around $145M to a 32 year old pitcher and were told thanks, but no thanks. This, 24 months after dropping a half billion on free agent players.

    I suppose kudos are in order for not chasing and spending their “Lee money” on mediocre players, but this was more about Lee and Co. saving the Yankees from themselves than it was some model of fiscal restraint.

    That said, there is no denying the tremendous work that’s been done with the farm system.

  96. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 10:39 am

    ac1 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:20 am
    The Yanks have had some young benches to start a season, but usually get veterans for the latter half of the season.

    —————–

    Not the last few years though.

    __

    Really? 2 years ago is was Hairston and Hinske (veterans)

    Last year, Berkman, Kearns, Wood (not the bench but still), as well as an a deal for Cliff Lee that he ended up being screwed on.

    That isnt picking up veterans at the trade deadline?

    ——————

    AC -

    I didn’t mean that the Yankees don’t pick up veterans at the deadline – just that they also usually start with veterans out of spring training too.

    two years ago the bench was:
    Jose Molina, Cody Ransom, Ramiro Pena and Nick Swisher

    Last year it was:
    Cervelli, Winn, Pena and Thames

    Injuries and ineffectiveness force changes and the bench is always tinkered with, but the Yankees tend to like to have veterans on the bench, at least at the start of the season. It may get younger at different times during the year, but that’s the general formula coming out of Tampa.

  97. RayVT December 22nd, 2010 at 10:39 am

    DaSaint007 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Thanks! I feel the same way, but wondered if someone needed a SS or C really badly that they’d take a chance on those 2.

  98. CompassRosy December 22nd, 2010 at 10:39 am

    MTU ~

    What’s not smart about Jack Z trying to swap a closer coming up for an arbitration raise (he posted 31 saves for a team that only won 61 games) for a sorely needed bat? Especially considering the depth of young arms on the farm…

  99. Mike Ri December 22nd, 2010 at 10:40 am

    AndrewMarchand RT @RalphVuono: @AndrewMarchand The 90?s Yankee dynasty was built on fiscal restraint & growing the farm system. not big spending .. Agreed

    —-
    Maybe they didnt’ spend “BIG” but they did SPEND . . Cone . Wells , Key , Clemens , Wetland, Tino Martinez , Fielder , Strawberry , Sierra , Grahm Loyd , Hayes ,Brusius , Giradi , El Douque

    and the trades – O Niel, Chucky , David Justice

    Im sorry . >I’m so sick of people saying we won because of the “Core” Four or because of our home grown talent . . Sure we had some home grown kids .and of course the core four had a huge role……But don’t deny the fact we also SPENT $$$$.. and we were equally agressive on the trade front .. Alot of NON homegrown yankees helped create that Dynasty .

  100. Against All Odds December 22nd, 2010 at 10:40 am

    # ac1 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Cashman has relied on the Giambis, Sabathias, Burnetts, Teixeiras, Matsuis, Sheffields, Mussinas, etc for way too long now.

    __

    Cashman wasn’t in charge of the minors until a few years ago and now he is developing the young guys. It takes a few years to develop the minors and it is definitely better down there then it was a few years ago.
    ——————————————

    True it has only been a few yrs but what has he shown over that time. A solid BP arm, a role playing LF, a starting pitcher, and a kid they messed up.Not alot to hang you’re hat on

  101. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2010 at 10:38 am
    Cashman won’t be able to buy his way out of this either. The pitchers in next year’s free agent class are horrible.

    So really we’ll be looking at 1 impact addition in 3 years for Cashman – Granderson.

    ——————–

    Bret -

    What if Jesus Montero is an impact addition?
    What if one or more of the young pitchers is an impact addition?
    Then wouldn’t his non-trades have been better for the club than the trades themselves might have been?

  102. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 10:41 am

    Against All Odds December 22nd, 2010 at 10:40 am
    # ac1 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Cashman has relied on the Giambis, Sabathias, Burnetts, Teixeiras, Matsuis, Sheffields, Mussinas, etc for way too long now.

    __

    Cashman wasn’t in charge of the minors until a few years ago and now he is developing the young guys. It takes a few years to develop the minors and it is definitely better down there then it was a few years ago.
    ——————————————

    True it has only been a few yrs but what has he shown over that time. A solid BP arm, a role playing LF, a starting pitcher, and a kid they messed up.Not alot to hang you’re hat on

    ——————-

    you forgot an MVP candidate at 2b and a starting CF (Granderson was acquired by using some of that farm that Cashman has been building)

  103. DaSaint007 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:42 am

    There’s far too much panic here.

    Clearly, Cashman does not want to trade what HE considers valuable organizational talent.

    Clearly, Cashman feels that it’s time to deploy some of the talent they’ve been building for the last 5 years or so.

    Clearly, he has no problem with a Robertson, Nunez, Pena, Cervelli, Curtis, Golson, Nunez, and now Montero joining the club. Laird may be next.

    IMO, it’s transition time, which allows him to showcase his young talent, and comply with what seems like an organizational directive to cut payroll.

  104. Erin December 22nd, 2010 at 10:42 am

    pat December 22nd, 2010 at 10:32 am
    Erin

    The vacationers had a very nice surprise visitor. Go look if you haven?t already seen who.

    ***************************
    pat-I did see that this morning! Very nice surprise. :)

  105. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Against All Odds December 22nd, 2010 at 10:40 am
    # ac1 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Cashman has relied on the Giambis, Sabathias, Burnetts, Teixeiras, Matsuis, Sheffields, Mussinas, etc for way too long now.

    __

    Cashman wasn’t in charge of the minors until a few years ago and now he is developing the young guys. It takes a few years to develop the minors and it is definitely better down there then it was a few years ago.
    ——————————————

    True it has only been a few yrs but what has he shown over that time. A solid BP arm, a role playing LF, a starting pitcher, and a kid they messed up.Not alot to hang you’re hat on

    ——————-

    you forgot an MVP candidate at 2b and a starting CF (Granderson was acquired by using some of that farm that Cashman has been building)

    Also a starting RF acquired for minor leaguers that he brought along (Nick Swisher)

  106. ac1 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:43 am

    I do agree they need some veteran presence on the bench. I still say go for Damon (i dont care about the age of players on the bench). He can play left, bat late for Gardner when we need a hit in the 9th, and when granderson sits and gardner moves to cf, damon will be there. He also brings energy, and can dh when necessary.

    Damon
    Laird (hopefully)
    Hairston
    Nunez
    Montero/Cervelli/Romine

    There’s what the bench can look like. Not terrible for a bench.

    They have money so convince Damon to come back, get decent playing time take the money.

  107. upstate kate December 22nd, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Pat/Erin
    don’t be teasers

  108. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Chip,

    The point is, you can’t do (virtually) nothing of immediate consequence 3 years straight and expect to survive in a cut throat business where your company is valued at over 1 billion dollars. There is merit in long term planning, sure. I’m all for it. But 3 years is an eternity in NY.

  109. 108 stitches December 22nd, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Everybody knew going into the offseason that this would be a weak FA market save for Lee, Crawford, Werth, Beltre, Marinez, and Soriano. The next free agent class won’t be much better.
    Those that trade smart will be the ones helping themselves.

  110. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Why does Cashman have to spend money to impress you? Every prospect for the yankees that comes up for the next 5 years is a direct result of Cashmans work. You are just a greedy little brat that needs the “big gift” every year.

    Fortunately, the only team in the last 15 years that won a world series by purchasing the “big gift” of the offseason was the 09 yankees.

    So this mythical player you think the Yankees need to fill out the $200mil payroll is completely pointless.

  111. Erin December 22nd, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Joe from Long Island December 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 am
    I would have thought the holiday season would brighten things up a bit, especially since ST is a couple months away, and Opening Day even farther away. Guess not.

    ************************************

    Joe-my thoughts exactly. I hope people give it a rest over the next few days. There’ll be plenty of time to complain in January. ;)

  112. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2010 at 10:46 am

    Teams that trade smart and don’t overpay will be the ones standing at the top of the pile year after year.

    This concept of requiring and “impact” signing to compete is just ridiculous.

  113. hardwired7 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Offer Soriano 4 yrs/$35-40M.

    Overpay him for two yrs of set-up, then get great value as a closer on the back end.

  114. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Has Cashman made mistakes? Certainly:

    Igawa
    Farnsworth
    Wright
    Pavano
    Karsay
    Quantrill
    Randy Johnson
    Kevin Brown
    Jeff Weaver
    Kenny Lofton

    But he’s also gotten it right too:
    Not trading Hughes, Melky, Wang for Johan
    Signing CC
    Signing Tex
    Soriano for Alex
    Robin Ventura
    Nick Swisher
    Curtis Granderson
    Kerry Wood
    Marcus Thames
    Boone Logan
    Johnny Damon
    David Justice
    Chili Davis

    No GM is going to get them all right just like no team is going to win 162 games and no batter is going to bat 1.000 and no pitcher is going to go 35-0

  115. Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 10:48 am

    Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2010 at 10:43 am
    Chip,

    The point is, you can’t do (virtually) nothing of immediate consequence 3 years straight and expect to survive in a cut throat business where your company is valued at over 1 billion dollars. There is merit in long term planning, sure. I’m all for it. But 3 years is an eternity in NY.

    ——————–

    Bret,

    Spending good money on bad players doesn’t make you a better team – it just makes you the Mets.

  116. Mike Ri December 22nd, 2010 at 10:48 am

    New THREAD —– >

  117. RayVT December 22nd, 2010 at 10:48 am

    I believe the Yanks are trying to align themselves for life after Posada & an everyday SS/3B duo of Jeter & ARod.

    In order to do this I think they will try to get Nunez & Laird playing time at SS & 3b. I expect both to start 25 games at SS/3B and get additional time at 1B/2B. I think Laird will even get time at both corner OF spots probably starting 15 games in LF & another 15 in RF. Nunez & Golson are great options for a SB/PR. The Yanks need these guys especially Nunez & Laird to be successful and they have the tools to do it.

  118. Erin December 22nd, 2010 at 10:49 am

    upstate kate December 22nd, 2010 at 10:43 am
    Pat/Erin
    don?t be teasers

    *****************************
    sorry kate. lol

    Alex and Cameron are down in Mexico, and their surprise visitor was George Clooney. :)

  119. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2010 at 10:49 am

    I think some people would be better served rooting for poorly run teams, to remind you what “worry” actually is.

  120. tyanksfan36 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Kate

    I try to steer clear of conversations like the one, but sometimes I just can’t help myself.
    I did pretty good this semester. 3 B’s, an A and an S for my internship which was just pass/fail. It was a hectic last week, I am a horrible procrastinator and saved all my papers for the night before.

  121. Erin December 22nd, 2010 at 10:49 am

    New Post- Crasnick: Yankees have shown interest in Jeff Francis

    :arrow:

  122. upstate kate December 22nd, 2010 at 10:50 am

    oh, that would be a most pleasant surprise :)

  123. DaSaint007 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Just thought I’d look at the rotations in the AL East if today were opening day…

    boston: Lester 19-9, Buchholz 17-7, Lackey 14-11, Beckett 6-6, Dice-K 9-6, Wakefield 4-10
    Tampa Bay: Price 19-6, Garza 15-10, Shields 13-15, Davis 12-10, Niemann 12-8
    Toronto: Romero 14-9, Cecil 15-7, Villanueva 2-0, Rzepczynski 4-4, Drabek 0-3
    Baltimore: Guthrie 11-14, Matusz 10-12, Bergesen 8-12, Tillman 2-5, Arrieta 6-6

    Yankees: CC 21-7, Hughes 18-8, Burnett 10-15, Mitre 0-3, Nova 1-2

    Yeah, I’d say there’s a major drop off after CC and Hughes, but Burnett could reverse his numbers or do even better (he did win 18 games in 2008).

    To be fair, Nova’s starts were limited, so he may be capable of double digit wins, and Mitre hasn’t pitched an entire season as a starter (nor do I want him to) for quite some time.

    Cashman needs to add that veteran #4 starter.

  124. AldotheApache December 22nd, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Ok, I think I get how this works now.

    It’s the holidays. Some of us want the shiniest new toys available out there, and if we don’t get it (Lee, Greinke, Crawford), then it doesn’t much matter the slew of “shiny toys” we ALREADY have, we’re gonna pout and pitch a fit (“Cashman should/will be fired”).

    Me? I think I’ll wait to see how the season plays out. I think I’ll choose to not forget we were celebrating a World Championship only 12 months ago WITH CASHMAN AS GM. And I think I’m going to be quite excited at the prospects of (not in order of importance) -

    AJ’s season of redemption

    Gardner’s healed wrist

    Montero’s rookie season

    Jeter on a mission

    Granderson hitting all season the way he did after the KLong sessions late last season

    Posada’s full season of power and production from not having to don catching gear, except in the case of injury or emergency

    Seeing which young arm(s) stand(s) out this spring

    One more season of watching the best infield in baseball

    I could go on, but I won’t. Me and my rose-colored glasses, when will I learn?

  125. Against All Odds December 22nd, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    # Chip December 22nd, 2010 at 10:41 am

    Against All Odds December 22nd, 2010 at 10:40 am
    # ac1 December 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Cashman has relied on the Giambis, Sabathias, Burnetts, Teixeiras, Matsuis, Sheffields, Mussinas, etc for way too long now.

    __

    Cashman wasn’t in charge of the minors until a few years ago and now he is developing the young guys. It takes a few years to develop the minors and it is definitely better down there then it was a few years ago.
    ——————————————

    True it has only been a few yrs but what has he shown over that time. A solid BP arm, a role playing LF, a starting pitcher, and a kid they messed up.Not alot to hang you’re hat on

    ——————-

    you forgot an MVP candidate at 2b and a starting CF (Granderson was acquired by using some of that farm that Cashman has been building)
    —————————————————————

    I was referring to players he drafted who came up and made an impact on the ML team.

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