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B.A.T. set to honor The Boss

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 23, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

George Steinbrenner will be honored at this year’s B.A.T. fundraising dinner. Here’s the announcement passed along by the Yankees.

The Baseball Assistance Team (B.A.T.) will celebrate the legacy of the late owner of the New York Yankees George M. Steinbrenner III as it hosts its 22nd annual “Going to Bat for B.A.T. Fundraising Dinner Presented by Natural Balance Pet Foods” on January 25th at the New York Marriott Marquis Hotel. Founded in 1986, B.A.T. is dedicated to assisting members of the Baseball Family through financial grants, healthcare programs and rehabilitative counseling. More than $23 million in grants have been awarded to date, benefiting more than 2,700 members of the Baseball Family.

Baltimore Orioles broadcaster and B.A.T. Board Member Gary Thorne will emcee the event, and Cincinnati Reds’ Hall of Fame second baseman Joe Morgan will serve as the Dinner Chairman. More than 30 former Yankees, including Hall of Famer’s Rickey Henderson, Whitey Ford and Goose Gossage along with Darryl Strawberry, Mike Pagliarulo and Jesse Barfield are expected to be on hand to celebrate the legacy of Steinbrenner, affectionately called “The Boss.” Additional members of the National Baseball Hall of Fame that are scheduled to be present include, Hank Aaron, Ralph Kiner, Earl Weaver, Gary Carter, Frank Robinson, and Orlando Cepeda.

“We are honored to pay tribute to the legacy of one of Baseball’s most successful and legendary owners in George M. Steinbrenner III,” said B.A.T. Executive Director Joseph Grippo. “The Steinbrenner family and the New York Yankees have been, and continue to be, tremendous supporters of the B.A.T. organization, and we are grateful their contributions over the years. I would also specifically like to thank the Los Angeles Dodgers and Bob Watson for their dedication to helping the Baseball Family and to the community. The Baseball Assistance Team is proud to celebrate their support at this year’s Dinner.”

A special award is given at the Dinner each year: the Big BAT/Frank Slocum Award. Former All-Star First Baseman and General Manager Bob Watson will be presented with the 2010 Big B.A.T./Frank Slocum Award for his continuous support and generosity to the B.A.T. organization.

The New York Yankees and the Los Angeles Dodgers will be recognized as the recipients of the annual Bobby Murcer Award. In 2009, B.A.T. established the award in honor of the late B.A.T. Chairman, MLB All-Star and Yankees legend. The award is presented to the team in both the American League and National League whose players contribute the most amount of money to B.A.T. through the B.A.T. Payroll Deduction Program that year. Bobby’s wife Kay Murcer will present the awards.

In addition to Hall of Famers and former Yankees, more than 100 former players are expected to attend, including Roberto Alomar, Steve Garvey, Frank Catalanotto, Randy Winn and Brett Butler. Other former New York players Bud Harrelson, John Franco, Cleon Jones, Howard Johnson, Rusty Staub and Ron Swoboda are also scheduled to be in attendance.

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189 Responses to “B.A.T. set to honor The Boss”

  1. Betsy December 23rd, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    LOL Eiland, the Rays rotation didn’t distinguish itself down the stretch either. I always liked Eiland, but maybe some of our guys will do better now that he’s not here……

  2. Betsy December 23rd, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    A classier comment would have been something to the effect that he expects Phil to have a good year this year, especially since he basically was Phil’s pitching coach for most of his professional career.

  3. Joe from Long Island December 23rd, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Chad – some of us are potentially interested in going to the BAT dinner, and/or the NY Baseball Writers’ Award dinner. Could you post information on who to contact for tickets for these events?

    Thanks in advance.

  4. Jerkface December 23rd, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    7 runs to the MARINERS in 3 innings against the Mariners? WTF?you really play fast & loose with the “small sample size” doctrine, dontcha? 3 innings???your defense of the yanks rearing him on excruciating pitch counts is he sucked in one game against the Mariners in 3 innings?i’m not understanding,are you suggesting the yanks wanted to prove he sucks??

    What? No. I’m saying Joba sucked unreasonably hard for a pitcher who knew exactly what he was working with. He didn’t have a ‘get in trouble and we pull you’ rule, he had a pitch count or inning maximum. He would be able to work through his troubles just like a normal pitcher. The difference is he wasn’t going to go past 4 innings or a certain pitch count. CC Sabathia knows he has 100-120 pitches to work with. What is the difference between that and Joba?

    He had no stipulations on his performance, only the maximum length. He didn’t have an inning pitch count. He didn’t have a per-batter pitch count. He was told to attack as many batters as possible within a certain length of ballgame.

    That should be so easy to do that I simply can’t fathom people blaming the rules for Joba’s ineptitude in those situations.

    You are not understanding my point on the mariners game. He gave up a run in EVERY SHORTENED OUTING. He put runners on base all the damn time.

    If you have Joba’s stuff, if you have Joba’s experience (he had already pitched the equivalent of 1 season as a starter + 2 relief stints) you should be able to attack a lineup one or two times through without giving up a run atleast once. He never did.

    Joba had an opportunity in each of those games to empty the tank for 4 innings and give his team a chance. He blew most of those opportunities and never looked good enough where I’d consider him gaining extra innings as being some kind of benefit to him.

  5. Jerkface December 23rd, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Randy,

    Rothchild went through an 8+ hour interview process. The Yankees want strike out pitchers on their staff and in the minors, and he seems to be a strike out guy. Maybe he fits their philosophy. Its not always about bringing in blank slates to teach, sometimes you need to get a guy with established skills that happens to line up.

  6. randy l. December 23rd, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    jerkface-

    i think it’s a no brainer to let joba compete for the 5th spot in the rotation.

    where are you at on this?

  7. YankeesNmore December 23rd, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    All kinds of honoring going on… I understand the Boston Red Sox are planning to pay tribute to Brian Cashman. Seems they could not be more thrilled with what our $#!tbag GM has done this winter.

  8. BIG AL December 23rd, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    randy l. -

    Cashman has already closed that door on Joba.

  9. EA December 23rd, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    “CC Sabathia, Mr. Mild himself,couldn’t help commenting on the farce of that plan”

    Mariano, Posada, Molina, and Andy also publicly commented on it and how hard it must be for Joba.

    Every media member, former pitcher, and basically everyone outside of the Yankees FO killed the idea. Even some players on the team, as mentioned above, thought it was crazy.

  10. Betsy December 23rd, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Yanks better be running scared, lol – Eiland is going to spill secrets

  11. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Randy-

    I agree with Al.

    The only thing more closed than Cash’ mind is the vault at Fort Knox.

  12. BIG AL December 23rd, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    YankeesNmore December 23rd, 2010 at 5:39 pm
    All kinds of honoring going on… I understand the Boston Red Sox are planning to pay tribute to Brian Cashman. Seems they could not be more thrilled with what our $#!tbag GM has done this winter.

    ——————————————————–
    I’m sure Cashman’s been a better GM, than you have been a Yankees fan, or is that a Sux fan? I think your handle says it all.

  13. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Betsy-

    He’s more likely to spill his next drink.

    ;)

  14. randy l. December 23rd, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    big al-

    unless cashmn is going to have the yankees go to a four man rotation, that door may get opened out of necessity.

  15. Betsy December 23rd, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    MTU, I’m not going to engage in gossip about whatever issues Eiland may or may not have…….

  16. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Randy-

    Not even dynamite can open Fort Knox.

  17. yankee21 December 23rd, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    It is a no brainer to let Joba compete for the 5th slot, for the life of me, I flat out do not understand the downside to challenging Joba to step it up and it is frustrating watching a ML team seamingly bent on closing the door on a pitcher who still has dynamite stuff when he is on.

    What exactly is the downside? Are the Yankees afraid of some injury or what?

    From my standpoint the worst that could happen is he competes and loses and winds up in the BP or as trade bait which is where he is as it stands now..

  18. YankeesNmore December 23rd, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    BTW, can we just stop it with all the Joba crap… switching back and forth isn’t what did him in… He stopped being a dominating pitcher when he tore up his shoulder pitching in Texas.

    From that day forward, he’s never been the same.

  19. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Betsy-

    It was just a joke. maybe a poor one.

    I could care less what Eiland does or doesn’t do now that he is no longer with the Yankees.

    ;)

  20. BIG AL December 23rd, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    randy l. -

    You may be right, but, I think Cashman will find a mid-rotation SP, rather than start that Joba process all over again. Just my thought on the matter.

    Cashman is praying AP comes back, and he can use fillers the trade deadline time, to see if something big shakes out.

  21. Nick in SF December 23rd, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    I’m just glad for Eiland that he was able to stay sober long enough to give an interview.

    /will engage in any and all gossip’d

  22. Betsy December 23rd, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    MTU, I don’t either – I’m just disappointed in his comments…………..I’m anxious to see what kind of an impact Rothschild will have (and on more than just AJ)

  23. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Al-

    I’m not sure I agree with you on Cashman finding someone.

    To me it looks like he’s been ropin’ the wind.

  24. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Betsy-

    Me too.

    :)

  25. Jerkface December 23rd, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    i think it’s a no brainer to let joba compete for the 5th spot in the rotation.

    where are you at on this?

    yes its a no brainer. They have been forced into a position where it makes sense to put Joba back in the rotation

  26. randy l. December 23rd, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    mtu-

    it’s really dumb to put all this effort into joba over the years and then say he’s just a reliever.

    with the thinness of yankee starting pitching, the media and fans will at some point catch on that cashman has a bug up his butt with joba and will pressure him to give joba a chance to start.

    i’m saying do it now instead of in may when a starter goes down and none are available. then we’d be going through the whole stretch the guy out too fast thing again.

  27. Betsy December 23rd, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    Cash praying and hoping Lee would sign didn’t work out, so praying and hoping that Andy returns is not a good idea. He needs to assume he’s not coming back and find some other veteran to take his place. I think he’d like Pavano, but he decided not to bring him back a couple of years ago because of the fans and the clubhouse reaction so clearly that would be at play here as well.

  28. LGY December 23rd, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    It is amazing how much time some Yankee fans spend blaming others for Jobas struggles.

    Can’t believe this kid is a professional athlete with having so little ability to control his own fate.

  29. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Why do I have Deja Vu on this Joba back to the rotation thing ?

    Didn’t we try that last season without success ?

  30. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Rothschild certainly can’t hurt AJ….only way to go is up. I was encouraged by his ALCS start and think that he will finally start mixing his change in more next season…..glass half full outlook.

  31. EA December 23rd, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    “LOL Eiland, the Rays rotation didn’t distinguish itself down the stretch either”

    Price, Garza, Davis, Niemenn, Shields > CC, Hughes, AJ, Mitre/Nova/Phelps.

    Not to mention they have top prospects like Hellickson, Moore, McGee, etc. just sitting around in the minors waiting for their call.

    They struggled in Sept, but so did we, and we’re probably losing our 2nd best pitcher. Their depth has much higher upside than ours.

    Rays starting pitching isin’t a question, its if they can score any runs and adequately replace Soriano/Benoit. Eliand shouldn’t have said it, but he wasn’t wrong in glorifying Tampa’s rotation. Everyone overrates Boston’s rotation based off the top 2, but the Rays have the best combination of 3-5 + depth in the division.

  32. BIG AL December 23rd, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Mtu -

    We need SP, yes, but, not at all costs. If Cashman panics now, and way over pays for a SP, we’ll be short of pieces needed at the trade deadline when a SP of real value may become available.

    It’s not time to worry yet, hang in there, all will be good, if not, feel free to remove me from your will.

  33. Betsy December 23rd, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    MTU, I have a good feeling about Rothschild……….not sure why, but I do.

    As some guy said in the Godfather, “you’re dead to me, Eiland”.

  34. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    Randy-

    Joba had a chance to strut his stuff last season and simply did not come into camp in shape.

    I just don’t think he is serious enough about OS condtioning.

    I have theories on why but I’m not sure.

    Until he “gets it” he not goin’ back into the rotation and is just a hair from disappearing into oblivion at the rate he is going.

  35. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Al-

    I’m not saying that Cash isn’t doing all he can at this late date.

    And I’m not advocating that he panic. Nor am I panicing. Never have been. Not in my DNA.

    However, If AP doesn’t bail Cash out it will be time to be worried.

    Very worried.

    Until AP says no for sure I’m still optimistic.

    :)

  36. yanks 27 December 23rd, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Despite the remarks that Joba isobstinate, stubborn, out-of-shape, delusional, etc. the Yankees obviously still see something in him.

    They bent over backwards to try and cater to him as a starter and make it as easy as possible, including shortening starts, skipping him all over, etc. to the point where everyone was questioning them, including players on the team like Posada and CC.

    They never once sent him to the minors since he came up in 07, even though his performance the last 2 years would have certainly warranted it. When he was blowing 3,4 run leads in the 1st half last year, he didn’t even lose his 8th inning role, let alone get sent to the minors.

    Yanks obviously think higher of him than most do. Their actions hardly indicate that they are fed up with him.

  37. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    Betsy-

    Let’s stay positive until we have reason not to.

    ;)

  38. randy l. December 23rd, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    there is an unusual agreement of normally opposing viewpoints on the blog that joba should get the opportunity to compete for the fit starter spot.

    cb last night said he thought he should get a shot at it too.

    i believe that a team needs 8 starters to start the season to come up with 5 healthy ones at any given time.

    last year the yankees had 8 starters going in to the season.

    i don’t think they are close to that right now.

    throw joba into the mix and that’s one of the eight.

    keep him in relief and cashman has to go out and find someone when starers are at a premium.

  39. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    MTU,

    If Pettite retires then Cashman will make a deal for a pitcher to replace him. I just don’t see them putting two prospects in the rotation……they have to sell those expensive tickets and keep YES ratings up. I think they’ll have a competition for 1 spot but just can’t see two…..I still think Andy will be back though.

  40. BIG AL December 23rd, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    We’re all talking about the need for SP, and that’s a legit point, but, my biggest concern is the offense. If the top 4 guys have another very slow start, or complete off season, the team will not be in a position to pick-up a weaker pitching staff with run production.

    I hope I’m wrong, but something keeps telling me Tex may have peaked, and what we saw last year, may be what he gives the team going forward. Tex needs to learn how to use more of the field, this would stop the over shift, and generate a higher OBP and RBI’s. All I see him doing, is dropping his back shoulder, and swinging under the ball, trying to hit HR’s, rather than through the ball for LD hits. These types of bad habits are hard to break.

    I for one think Jeter comes back with a much improved season.

  41. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Randy-

    If Joba was to be allowed to compete for a Starting spot again (which I strongly doubt) he should be notified immediately so he once again will have the opportunity to demonstrate his commitment and seriousness.

    I don’t think he possesses it myself. I just don’t.

    No evidence of such whatsoever.

    Not in the past. Not now.

  42. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Again I don’t see the harm in letting Joba compete if there is a rotation spot available and they hold a competition for it….to me it would do nothing but motivate him to try and win it. If he doesn’t then the transition back to the pen is very easy.

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock December 23rd, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    EA December 23rd, 2010 at 5:41 pm
    “CC Sabathia, Mr. Mild himself,couldn’t help commenting on the farce of that plan”

    Mariano, Posada, Molina, and Andy also publicly commented on it and how hard it must be for Joba.

    Every media member, former pitcher, and basically everyone outside of the Yankees FO killed the idea. Even some players on the team, as mentioned above, thought it was crazy.

    ///it was crazy.esp for a kid who pitched like 88 MiL innings.they really took the foot off the pedal in ST 2009,which didn’t help the kid develop arm strength.hey that was a fiasco.defense of it is just yankee apologists and flacks.no one thought they got that right. no one.

  44. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Blake-

    Who would get and how would get him ?

    Better hope AP comes back.

    ;)

  45. BIG AL December 23rd, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    yanks27 -

    Joba was out of options, they couldn’t send him back down.

  46. LGY December 23rd, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    I bet Prufrock blames the pizza delivery guy for Joba being fat.

  47. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    MTU,

    Don’t know….that’s why he has that “wide net” ;) but I think he will do something.

  48. yanks 27 December 23rd, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    “I hope I’m wrong, but something keeps telling me Tex may have peaked, and what we saw last year, may be what he gives the team going forward.”

    I’ve been thinking that as well.

    Prior to coming to the Yanks, he was a .259 April hitter and that was considered awful and an aberration compared to other months. Last year, he less than that for the year! And was well-below his career numbers in April in 09 as well.

    I agree with your general point too – for us to be able to weather the storm if we have to go into the season with no improvements (Andy retires as well), the offense needs to pick it up. Too many games last year where they just didn’t show up.

  49. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    blake-

    If Joba shows me the 2007 Joba in the OS I’d let him have a shot otherwise no go.

    If he is willing to go to API. I give him a chance.

    I have no confidence that he would do it.

  50. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    Blake-

    The wide net is full of holes.

  51. Nick in SF December 23rd, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    Joba’s been excercising his tweetin’ fingers all winter. :mad:

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock December 23rd, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    They bent over backwards to try and cater to him as a starter and make it as easy as possible, including shortening starts, skipping him all over, etc. to the point where everyone was questioning them, including players on the team like Posada and CC.

    ///THEY DID WHAT??? They made a Frankenstein out of him,because they couldn’t be bothered sending him back to them minors.THAT’S what they needed to do,send him back down instead of making him jump the system in a single bound,changing his development conditions on whims.he needed to be in the minors.now they’ve blown his service time. FAIL.

  53. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 23rd, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    What secret is Eiland going to spill? That AJ Burnett is a talented headcase? LOL!

  54. LGY December 23rd, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Its the cows fault that Joba ate too many cheeseburgers.

  55. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Nick-

    Strengthening his hands driving a boat too.

  56. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    The award is presented to the team in both the American League and National League whose players contribute the most amount of money to B.A.T. through the B.A.T. Payroll Deduction Program that year.
    ——————————-

    Forgive my ignorance on the org., but what do they do so that players are willing to have payroll deductions for them?

  57. yanks 27 December 23rd, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    “Joba was out of options, they couldn’t send him back down.”

    Only after August of last year.

    Before that, they could send him down at any time. And his performance in the first half certainly warranted it.

  58. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Kpb-

    Think of it as a bayou tax.

    You should be happy.

    :)

  59. Jerkface December 23rd, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    ///THEY DID WHAT??? They made a Frankenstein out of him,because they couldn’t be bothered sending him back to them minors.THAT’S what they needed to do,send him back down instead of making him jump the system in a single bound,changing his development conditions on whims.he needed to be in the minors.now they’ve blown his service time. FAIL.

    What would the players have said if the Yankees shut down/sent Joba to the minors when he had a 2 ERA as a starter in 08 and a 3.5 ERA as a starter in 09?

    They did cater to Joba. They skipped him, but he hated that. So they worked with him to give him something he wanted.

  60. 108 stitches December 23rd, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    Can Chamberlain compete as a starter after throwing 71.1 scattered innings in the 2010 season ?
    It depends if he can be stretched out enough and if he waddles into Tampa in February after an offseason of no weight training reported.
    He enters his 5th year as a Yankee and the onus is on him to make or break his career.

  61. BIG AL December 23rd, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    MTU -

    Tell Joba now he might be able to compete for a spot in the rotation, like that would get him off the bar stool long enough to get his body and arm in shape, please.

    Joba has failed because of Joba, not because of the Yankees. Hughes went through almost the same program, worked had, and made it.

    Joba had too much success too quickly, and thought all he had to do was show up. Take a look at the pictures of Joba from 2007, and Joba today. Like they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. IMO, Joba got lazy, was too immature to accept what he needed to do, and his actions last season in the club house with Hughes just pointed at his lack of maturity.

    Floks, please stop blaming the Yankees, an injury that healed well, or antthing else. Joba is a product of Joba.

  62. Jerkface December 23rd, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Joba should still have options remaining.

  63. Jerkface December 23rd, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    Unless someone can find me an article that explains why he doesn’t. You burn an option if you spend time on the 40 man without being on the active roster. You get a 4th bonus option if you have less than 5 years of pro-time. Joba spent 2008 and 2009 and 2010 on the active roster. He should have options remaining. He also doesn’t have the 5 years of service time required for veteran’s consent.

  64. Doreen December 23rd, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Put me on the list of people who see no down side to having Joba prep as a starter and come prepared to fight for the #4 or #5 spots in the rotation.

    Randy l -

    The Yankees have so much money it seems to me that they could/should be spending more than anyone else to hire the best people at the minor league level – scouting, development, coaching, conditioniting, etc. That money spent would come bact to them “x”- fold, both in terms of being able to promote more of their own, or in trade.

    Is there a way to find out what the Yankees do at that level? It seems unfair to blast them for something they may already be doing.

    I was initially happy that Eiland was named the Yankees pitching coach, because I believe he had a hand in the development of Joba, Phil Hughes and IPK, and the three of them seemed to be doing well. I thought it was a good move to have him at the ML level when all three of those pitchers was promoted. However, I wasn’t impressed once he got the job and those three didn’t do as well as I’d hoped. He did do well with the BP, along with Giradi, and I give credit for that. But I believe he did not succeed where I most expected him to. Joba is still a “?” and IPK is gone. Hughes is doing well, but I think Phil Hughes is “coach proof” – he’s just good.

  65. J. Alfred Prufrock December 23rd, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    LGY December 23rd, 2010 at 6:10 pm
    I bet Prufrock blames the pizza delivery guy for Joba being fat.

    ///no but I do blame the yankees for blowing Joba Chamberlain’s service time after 88 IP.since you are a numbers slave who seems unable to think conceptually,you ought to appreciate that.

  66. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Al-

    I was one of Joba’s biggest supporters.

    I wish he would agree to go to API, or another one just like it.

    I don’t care which.

    What he NEEDS to do is show a committment to OS conditioning.

    Period.

    Hell. I’ll even train him for free out here. A few trips in and out of the Canyon each week with full pack should take care of it.

    :)

  67. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Jerkface-

    I do not believe he has any remaining.

    That was made clear last year.

    Unless you think that was wrong.

    His last option ran out around last Aug.

  68. clownthrowindown December 23rd, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    They did cater to Joba. They skipped him, but he hated that. So they worked with him to give him something he wanted.
    ……………………………………………………………….

    IF that is what truly happened, then its still the FO’s fault. Why would they let a kid make a decision on his development? Why would they let a valuable asset be put at risk just to cater to him? He was a kid, not an established star.

    It was a horrible game plan either way. In the end, its still ultimately Joba’s own fault – if it had been Hughes they did that to, it might have taken him a bit to recover, but he would have fought his way to be successful no matter what. Joba lacks character.

  69. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Hell. I’ll even train him for free out here. A few trips in and out of the Canyon each week with full pack should take care of it
    ———————————

    Does this mean you haven’t started on my assignment I sent you?

  70. J. Alfred Prufrock December 23rd, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Jerkface December 23rd, 2010 at 6:18 pm
    Joba should still have options remaining.

    ///No,all are down the drain,in the toilet.

  71. Jerkface December 23rd, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    That was made clear last year.

    Unless you think that was wrong.

    His last option ran out around last Aug.

    This would be a good question for someone who actually knows if he dose or not, because there is no website that keeps track of it.

    You lose an option each year you spend on the 40 man but not on the active roster. Joba has spent the last 3 seasons on the active roster. He should have options.

    You don’t burn options by sitting in the majors. Thats why some players with 5+ years of service time have options left. Its why the veteran’s consent rule is in place.

  72. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    KPB-

    It already been completed.

    The rest is up to Joba.

    :)

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock December 23rd, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    Unless you think that was wrong.

    His last option ran out around last Aug.

    ////NO, JF is wrong, and you are correct.He’d now have to clear waivers, because of service time.

  74. West Coast Yankee Fan December 23rd, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    It’s unfair to blame Eiland for his performance. I’d say he did a good job with Sabathia (21 wins), Hughes (18 wins) and Pettitte (11-3).

  75. Jerkface December 23rd, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    NO, JF is wrong, and you are correct.He’d now have to clear waivers, because of service time.

    This statement does not make sense. You don’t lose options because of service time, you lose them because of seasons spent on the 40 man. Brackman is losing options each year he spends in the minors.

    Service time affects things like your arbitration eligiblity, but the yankees avoided a super-2 issue with Joba because he came up in July of 2007.

  76. J. Alfred Prufrock December 23rd, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    It was a horrible game plan either way. In the end, its still ultimately Joba’s own fault – if it had been Hughes they did that to, it might have taken him a bit to recover, but he would have fought his way to be successful no matter what. Joba lacks character.

    ///He actually lacks MiL innings.

  77. yankee21 December 23rd, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    You cannot force someone to be successful, if Joba wants it bad enough, he will.
    If he is content with being a big league pitcher and middle relief kind of guy, so be it, maybe that is was his dream…

    That said, having Joba compete for the 5th slot isn’t just good for Joba it’s good for the other candidates battling it out- so it ultimately benefits NYY.

  78. Doreen December 23rd, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Interesting.

    I think Sabathia, Pettitte and Hughes are probably the three pitchers on the staff that area easiest to coach.

  79. SAS December 23rd, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    I agree. The discussion last year was about Joba and Hughes options. Hughes ran out first; I forget the date and then Joba’s ran out in August as Prufrock said.

  80. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    MTU

    If AP comes back, I’d like to see the kids fight for the 5th spot. Even if he doesn’t I’d still like to see that done. Who would you most prefer out of who’s actually out there to be had, if he doesn’t?

  81. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    GB made a very point about Joba a day or two ago.

    He wondered about the influence of Harlan Chamberlain on Joba.

    Did Harlan not read Joba the riot act regarding his future ?

    Harlan came up the hard way. From all reports Joba really respects and loves his Dad.

    Couldn’t Harlan get thru to him ? If he couldn’t no one will.

    I have to believe he tried.

    ;)

  82. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    SAS

    Good evening, I take all is well on the weather front. Also, have you forgiven princess yet?

  83. REZ12 December 23rd, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    “It’s unfair to blame Eiland for his performance. I’d say he did a good job with Sabathia (21 wins), Hughes (18 wins) and Pettitte (11-3).”

    Andy and CC were studs before Eliand. CC won a CY Young and had a historic half season in Milwaukee with 2 different pitching coaches. Andy’s success is well-documented.

    Give him credit for Hughes though.

    But how about Vazquez, Burnett, Joba, etc.?

  84. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    KPB-

    I wish I had an answer to that. I’m afraid I don’t. There does not seem to be much available.

    Would Cashman dangle more prime prospects ? Would that help in this environment ?

    No idea KPB. None. That’s one for the Ouija board.

    Sorry.

    P.S. I can’t get excited about guys like Garcia. I’d almost rather take a Mulligan on the season and see what we have with the youngsters.

  85. West Coast Yankee Fan December 23rd, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Doreen December 23rd, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Interesting. I think Sabathia, Pettitte and Hughes are probably the three pitchers on the staff that area easiest to coach.

    ******************

    And Burnett and Vazquez are not? What is the substantive proof of that. I’m just saying if one is fair you can’t criticize Eiland’s performance based on results. Should we blame K. Long for Tex?

    I believe Eiland broke a rule and did something that couldn’t be forgiven.

  86. SAS December 23rd, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Hi KPB,

    The sun is out today after a nasty night, but it is very cool.

    Yes, I have no choice but to forgive her. She’s so cute. However, we are going out tonight too, and I am going to try to remove all objects she can do harm to…lol

    Hope you are enjoying your holiday evening.

  87. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    MTU

    I haven’t a clue either, as I don’t follow any other team and don’t know their players. That’s why I’m mostly silent about trades because I simply don’t know who they are.

  88. SAS December 23rd, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    MTU,

    You said something I had been thinking about, and that is taking a mulligan on the season. It would be tough to watch, but at the same time exciting if we got a couple of new pitchers and a catcher out of this year. It is very hard to make so many changes and expect the WS to come out of it, but if Andy doesn’t come back, what you say may be the only option without literally giving up the farm.

  89. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    SAS

    I wish you the best in “child” proofing the home. I’m enjoying the evening since I’m in good company, But don’t tell MTU I said that. As his head swells pretty easily. :smile:

  90. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    SAS-

    We can also go dumpster diving for a pitcher but I’m not very excited about that possibility.

    We have to hope for Andy. That’s about all I see right now.

    Maybe Cashman has something. We’ll find out if AP says no.

    I really hope he says yes. It would makes things a whole lot easier.

  91. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    KPB-

    The only reason my head might be swollen right now is from being water logged.

    I heard a nasty rumor that there is something called “The Sun”.

    Know anything about it ?

    :)

  92. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    MTU

    It’s a paper in the UK. :smile:

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/

  93. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    KPB-

    I see.

    Thanks for the tip.

  94. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    Back in a Few.

  95. joeman December 23rd, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    joba pitch 3 years in Neb where he was a very good pitcher, it was mention that he only had 15 starts in the minors…he was never groomed to pitch in the ML…….thus the fault of the Yankees……joba is done in NY as a SP OR RP

  96. SAS December 23rd, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    MTU,

    You saw what dumpster diving did last year. Vasquez was awful.

    “The sun will out tomorrow”

  97. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    The Yanks will do whatever they can to compete for a title in 2011 but 2012 may be the year when they really start to reap the benefits of their farm system. Still think either Pettite will be back or they will trade for someone to take his place…..

  98. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    MTU

    Have you changed your settings? I’ve noticed in your emails under the sender info your name appears twice. Same thing with your Picasa page. Just want to make sure that it is you.

  99. J. Alfred Prufrock December 23rd, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    joeman December 23rd, 2010 at 7:01 pm
    joba pitch 3 years in Neb where he was a very good pitcher, it was mention that he only had 15 starts in the minors…he was never groomed to pitch in the ML…….thus the fault of the Yankees……joba is done in NY as a SP OR RP

    ///i am hoping despite what cash has been saying that the private plan is to get chamberlain back on track to start with the new PC.

  100. Doreen December 23rd, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    SAS =

    Javy Vazquez was not from the dumpster, though. He was in the running for the 2009 NL Cy Young Award

  101. David in Cal December 23rd, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Here’s a comment re the Eiland topic

    My organization once had to deal with an employee who was an alcoholic. They engaged a consultant who said the best thing for the employee as well as the organization was to give the employee specific goals with the understanding that she’d be terminated if the goals were missed. Then, to precisely follow that plan and not give her extra chances. She did miss her goals and was terminated.

    It’s unfair to speculate, but this reminds me of Eiland’s termination and is consistent with Cashman’s comment.

  102. mick December 23rd, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    For all of Cash’s hesitance, there are plenty of FA’s out there. There has been little or no action lately so these guys are overvaluing themselves. Looks like he’s not the only GM who is proceeding with caution.

  103. joeman December 23rd, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    # J. Alfred Prufrock December 23rd, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    joeman December 23rd, 2010 at 7:01 pm
    joba pitch 3 years in Neb where he was a very good pitcher, it was mention that he only had 15 starts in the minors…he was never groomed to pitch in the ML…….thus the fault of the Yankees……joba is done in NY as a SP OR RP

    ///i am hoping despite what cash has been saying that the private plan is to get chamberlain back on track to start with the new PC.
    ——————————————————————-
    hope your right because it will be a waste of a lot of talent

  104. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Doreen

    Hello, have you gotten finished with your Christmas cooking? Hope you have a happy holidays.

    Also, I agree about Javy. I was excited at the time because he seemed to fit the need of a 4th starter perfectly at the time.

  105. 108 stitches December 23rd, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Depending on what transpires between now and the end of March, I’m figuring on 2 rotation spots coming from any 2 of Nova, Noesi, Phelps, or Mitchell.
    True, it’s force feeding prospects but it’s a fools errand to count on chancy rehab projects to shore up the back end of the rotation.

  106. mick December 23rd, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    I can’t see Andy turning down many millions…

  107. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    108,

    If a trade doesn’t materialize and Pettite doesn’t return then that’s what they should do.

  108. clownthrowindown December 23rd, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    David in Cal,

    I’ve had to oversee numerous LOAs for rehab. And the associate’s return always came with conditions. If that is what happened with Eiland, Cashman will never be able to talk about it because its confidential.

  109. J. Alfred Prufrock December 23rd, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    hope your right because it will be a waste of a lot of talent

    ///here’s hoping.

  110. joeman December 23rd, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    # mick December 23rd, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    I can’t see Andy turning down many millions…
    ——————————————————————————-

    I don’t know but my gut has been since the end of the reg season Andy is done..

  111. mick December 23rd, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    I think they will get someone off the scrap heap like Penny or Garcia before they’d open the season with a prospect.

  112. SAS December 23rd, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    Doreen,

    You are right. I forgot, but we may as well have gotten him from a dumpster.

    If I don’t see you on the blog, all the best for a wonderful Christmas with your family. I am sure it will be yummy.

  113. mick December 23rd, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    I don’t know but my gut has been since the end of the reg season Andy is done..
    ===================================================
    Why would he turn down that money?

  114. joeman December 23rd, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    would like nothing better to see them have a rotation of

    CC
    Big Z
    Hughes
    AJ
    Andy

  115. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    KPB-

    It’s me. No worries.

  116. Doreen December 23rd, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Hi KBP -

    I’ve gotten as far as I can get until tomorrow. :lol:

    Thanks. And I hope the same for you.

    I was so excited about Javy. And then again when he seemed to turn things around. Oh, well, right?

  117. SAS December 23rd, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    mick,

    We can’t see him turn down all that money because we don’t already have all those millions stashed away. I am sure the Pettittes live very nicely, but I doubt they are extravagant. He just doesn’t seem like the type. Therefore, he has enough money for he and his wife and their children.

  118. joeman December 23rd, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    # mick December 23rd, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    I don’t know but my gut has been since the end of the reg season Andy is done..
    ===================================================
    Why would he turn down that money?
    —————————————————————-
    taking family over money……Andy has pitched a lot and just maybe he don’t want to do it anymore…..

  119. mick December 23rd, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    CC
    Big Z
    Hughes
    AJ
    Andy
    =========
    Can’t see them giving Lee’s money to Z.
    Andy will get at least 12, so that’s 29m, not happnin.
    Now if they can give them AJ…

  120. Doreen December 23rd, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Thanks SAS.

    We’re having only appetizers and I chose about a dozen. I keep switching things in and out, but I’m in good shape. :)

  121. joeman December 23rd, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    # mick December 23rd, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    CC
    Big Z
    Hughes
    AJ
    Andy
    =========
    Can’t see them giving Lee’s money to Z.
    Andy will get at least 12, so that’s 29m, not happnin.
    Now if they can give them AJ…
    ————————————–
    Andy made 12 last year he’s going to want way more than that

  122. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    If the cubbies will eat a chunk of zambranos contract and accept virtually nothing of consequence in return in prospects then ok…..otherwise no thanks.

  123. mick December 23rd, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    The best pitcher out there is Pavano.

  124. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    MTU

    Thanks for confirming, it just seemed odd it started happening.

    So when are you putting aside hiking and taking up kayaking?

  125. mick December 23rd, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    Are the Cubs in dire salary dump mode that they would give away their best pitcher for nothing.?

  126. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    KPB-

    If this ever happens again.

    ;)

  127. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Doreen

    I felt bad for him when he started off badly. Was so happy for those few bright spots he showed. I’m disappointed in how his season ended up, but mostly feel bad for him. He seems like such a good guy.

  128. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Yes the cubs need to cut payroll

  129. mick December 23rd, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    If Andy were retiring he would have said so by now. The fact it has gone on this long shows they are negotiating. Better not lowball him again, he’s seeing daddy over the weekend, he will tell him to stay in Texas .

  130. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    MTU

    Just make sure the mops can swim good. Otherwise they’ll go from snake food to gator bait. :wink:

  131. Crawdaddy December 23rd, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Who says the Cubs need to cut payroll? I understand they are at their payroll limit, but that doesn’t mean they’re going to give their pitchers away.

  132. 108 stitches December 23rd, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Andy has always been a fitness guru. Only close friends would know if he’s doing his normal offseason workout regimen in preparation for another season.
    When he reports to spring training, he only needs to get a physical on the 1st reporting day like all others then build up his arm strength at his own pace.

  133. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    KPB-

    If you can show me a Gator out here I’ll do a back flip.

    There are pre-historic ones though.

    This area once was an inland Sea.

    If it keeps raining like it did it might be once again.

    :)

  134. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    Crawdaddy,

    The cubs are in a situation similar to the Mets. They aren’t good enough to compete for the title and they have a lot of bad contracts….Zambrano is one of them. They can’t really move on until either some of these deals expire or they move them. They would love to get rid of that 38 million if they could.

  135. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    If it keeps raining like it did it might be once again.
    —————————-

    This is what I was referring to. If it keeps up, Noah might come floating by and one of his two might get loose.

    No back flips, GB might make fun of your age and injury. :smile:

  136. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    http://www.dailyherald.com/art.....712159904/

  137. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    KPB-

    You’ve got mail ==>

  138. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    I don’t know what the Cubs want to do, but I would think they would have to pick up a substantial portion of Zambrano’s contract in order to move hi m.

  139. SAS December 23rd, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    MTU,

    Thanks for my mail. Simply gorgeous as always. I take it that much snow is most unusual on that mountain.

  140. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    SAS-

    Yes. That much is unusual.

    Glad you enjoyed.

  141. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Rich,

    If they pick up 15 million or so then he’d be worth a gamble on maybe if nothing else comes along that’s better….the declining velocity is a bit concerning but I think he was throwing more 2 seamers (and quality strikes) down the stretch. I’m not wild about the idea of him but it could be an option should Pettite retire.

  142. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    MTU

    Read it and sent it back. By the way, your name is showing up normal again.

  143. joeman December 23rd, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    a bad contract… Kosuke Fukudome……$14 mil per

    3 years…34 HRS…134 RBI’S

  144. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    MTU

    Was that done with your new camera?

  145. Steve Howe a True Yankee December 23rd, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Wait, we’re honoring convicted felons now ?

  146. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    mtu,

    Nice!

  147. 108 stitches December 23rd, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Blake :

    I keep wondering if Jim Hendry of the Cubs would be satisfied with eating 1 year of Zambrano’s remaining 2 years of contract with the Yankees sending a couple of players that don’t have futures as Yankees. It’s still $19M of payroll relief for the Cubs and a 3-4 starter for the Yankees. It amounts to 2 years of Zambrano at $9.5M per until the likes of Betances and Banuelos are ready.

  148. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    KPB-

    Yes.

  149. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Guess I’ll just post it so everyone can see.

    http://picasaweb.google.com/cy.....qviLr18wE#

    The aftermath of the big storm.

    Enjoy.

    :)

  150. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    108,

    Something to consider….I’d do it if I’m Hendry. The cubs are going nowhere in the near future. Shedding some of zambranos deal and getting players or trade chips back would be good for them….I’m just not sure on the Yankee end.

  151. pat December 23rd, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Wouldn’t Nardi Contreras as organizational pitching coordinator be responsible for setting the organizational pitching approach no matter who the pitching coach at the team level is?

  152. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    MTU,

    What mountain is that. Get out there and climb that sucker ;)

  153. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    11:$17.875M, 12:$18M, 13:$19.25M vesting player option

    Zambrano receives 2013 player option if he is first or second in 2011 Cy Young vote or if he finishes in top 4 in 2012 Cy Young vote and is healthy at end of 2012

    blake

    I guess if the Yankees were willing to view that $15m as a complete offset for 2012 which would empower them to waive him, or perhaps use him out of the pen, if he underperforms in 2011, ok (I don’t think the 2013 option has a realistic chance of vesting), because the real problem, as I see it, is that otherwise the Yankees will be locked into four pitchers in 2012 when at least two of the Killer Bs (or another prospect that emerges) could be ready to step into the rotation, and two of them have a very good chance of being awful.

  154. joeman December 23rd, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Yankee organization played Joba…..

  155. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Blake-

    That is Pine Valley Mountain (10,500 approx.)

    I have already done that. From both sides.

  156. joeman December 23rd, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    # MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Blake-

    That is Pine Valley Mountain (10,500 approx.)

    I have already done that. From both sides.
    ——————————————————–
    flew over that going into Vegas

  157. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Joeman-

    Mt. Charleston is under a severe Avalanche alert from the storm.

  158. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Rich,

    Yes, they could treat the 2nd year as depth, use him out of the pen, trade him, or
    If he’s pitching well he could provide some insurance and allow them to give Betances, Baneulos, or whoever extra time if they needed it. The chances of that option vesting are pretty slim and if he were pitching well enough for it to then that wouldnt be the worst thing anyway.

  159. joeman December 23rd, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    great view from the valley……lot of bad weather out there in Cal and the mountains

  160. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Mtu,

    You tha man

  161. joeman December 23rd, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    anyone else agree joba wasn’t prep for the ML …..kind of force fed

  162. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    Blake-

    Let’s send Joba up there.

    Whatdya’ say ?

    :)

  163. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    # MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    KPB-

    Yes.
    ——————————

    About the camera or my question in the email?

  164. MTU December 23rd, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    KPB-

    Yes to both.

    :)

  165. TheStraw December 23rd, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    Weighing in on Joba here: why is everyone so quick to actually want him in the rotation? Cash went on record the other day saying that Joba’s velocity as a starter simply wouldn’t cut it, but that the velocity as a reliever did. What good is a Joba who only throws 90-92 as a starter, when you could have him at 96-97 as a reliever. The 100mph Joba left that night in Texas, never to return. In fact, I would be in favor of moving him if we could get anything decent.

  166. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    MTU

    Thanks. I take back the gator comments. :wink:

  167. West Coast Yankee Fan December 23rd, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Cashman has said his velocity is not there as a starter

  168. West Coast Yankee Fan December 23rd, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Which we all could see

  169. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    “Cashman has said his velocity is not there as a starter”

    There isn’t a starter in MLB that doesn’t gain velo when they exclusively relieve. To cite a recent example, Hughes’ velo increased as a reliever.

  170. West Coast Yankee Fan December 23rd, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Right. But when he was starting he was throwing 91

  171. Bronx Jeers December 23rd, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    Usain Bolt runs nearly 24 MPH during his 100m sprints.

    How fast do you think he’d run in a marathon ?

  172. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Joba’s velo increased over the course of last season, which could be because more time has passed since the shoulder injury.

    He didn’t start last season. So we don’t know how much that increase in velo would impact his velo as a starter.

  173. 4 NYY December 23rd, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Anyone thought about Brad Hawpe as a possible pick up ?

  174. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Mtu,

    Yes lets!

  175. TheStraw December 23rd, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Why belabor the point. A decent to middling Joba in the pen is better than a mediocre Joba in the rotation.

  176. 4 NYY December 23rd, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Ooops, forgot Hawpe hits lefty only.

  177. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    A mediocre Joba would have been better than AJ or Vazquez last season.

    That’s why the point has utility.

  178. TheStraw December 23rd, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Hawpe is off the market as of today.

  179. West Coast Yankee Fan December 23rd, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Rich they see him pitch in sessions. They know.

  180. TheStraw December 23rd, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Rich-

    I’d rather gamble on Zambrano than put a mediocre Joba in the rotation.

  181. TheStraw December 23rd, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Must be Christmas when WCYF and I agree :)

  182. West Coast Yankee Fan December 23rd, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Happy Holidays Straw! lol

  183. West Coast Yankee Fan December 23rd, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    There is a reason, or ten, that Cashman is so adamant about Joba not starting. He knows how badly we need rotation help.

  184. TheStraw December 23rd, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Same to you!

  185. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    The Straw

    What if AJ continues to suck?

    “There is a reason, or ten, that Cashman is so adamant about Joba not starting. He knows how badly we need rotation help.”

    Which may or may not be good reasons.

  186. West Coast Yankee Fan December 23rd, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    So Rich. You really think that the entire collective braintrust that evaluates these things are all wrong?

  187. 4 NYY December 23rd, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Zambrano over Joba or AJ as a starter !!!

  188. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    “So Rich. You really think that the entire collective braintrust that evaluates these things are all wrong?”

    We don’t know that it’s a unanimous decision, and we do know that they make mistakes.

  189. West Coast Yankee Fan December 23rd, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    True. Mistakes are made. But I think when they are this adamant it means something. Perhaps they have deemed it not for public consumption.

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