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Steinbrenner’s FBI file released

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 23, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

58406_0713george1George Steinbrenner’s FBI file was released today, and it included a 1970s memo from Watergate special prosecutor Archibald Cox asking for an intense criminal investigation into Steinbrenner’s campaign contributions.

Of course, Steinbrenner was ultimately convicted of illegal contributions.

Kind of interesting to hear about the behind-the-scenes stuff that led up to the conviction.

A few more notes and links from today.

• Brain Cashman acknowledged the obvious: There’s no clear place for Johnny Damon on the Yankees roster. Cashman said checking in with Damon was “something (the Yankees) do with every free agent.”

Damon himself told Mark Feinsand that he has some offers for everyday jobs.

The Rangers have reportedly agreed to a deal with lefty Arthur Rhodes. The Yankees seem to have their lefty situation addressed with Pedro Feliciano and Boone Logan, plus some depth on minor league deals. If they were to go after another lefty, the most logical remaining target might be Brian Fuentes, who could serve more of a setup role than a lefty specialist role.

• In completing the Adrian Gonzalez trade, the Red Sox decided to trust Gonzalez that he would negotiate a contract extension during the season, and that he would base it on the current market value. “We gave them our word that we were going to negotiate during the season in good faith,” Gonzalez told ESPNBoston. “We’re not going to go in there and ask for Albert Pujols’ contract, something along those lines.”

The drunk driver who killed Nick Adenhart has been sentenced to 51 years to life in prison. There’s nothing good about that story. Nothing but sadness all over.

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280 Responses to “Steinbrenner’s FBI file released”

  1. Betsy December 23rd, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    If Cash thinks Joba is not a starter, fine, whatever, but velocity as a reason is pretty stupid. Why does he have to throw 96 MPH to be a starter? Hughes threw quite a bit harder out of the pen – why doesn’t Cashman send him back there?

  2. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    • The drunk driver who killed Nick Adenhart has been sentenced to 51 years to life in prison. There’s nothing good about that story. Nothing but sadness all over.
    ————————–

    Was shocked and saddened when I heard of the wreck. So young and so much promise taken away over stupidity.

  3. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    Betsy

    Hello, long time no talk. How have you been doing?

  4. RMS December 23rd, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    I’m sure Cashman saying Joba is not a starter is not only his opinion. There are pros in the organization who were consulted. Cashman doesn’t know anything about pitching.

  5. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Howard makes $25m a year. AGone is better than Howard. So AGone doesn’t need Pujols to bootstrap his contract on.

  6. Betsy December 23rd, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Hi KPB

    I’m fine – totally stressed by the off-season, lol, but I’m going to enjoy the nice break from work. How are you feeling?

  7. LGY December 23rd, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    People need to stop thinking what Cashman says in the media means anything.

    From his wide net comments to the atta boy comment to the stuff about Joba it is a waste of time to analyze or read into it.

  8. RMS December 23rd, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    “The drunk driver who killed Nick Adenhart has been sentenced to 51 years to life in prison. There’s nothing good about that story. Nothing but sadness all over.”

    People will always drive drunk even though they know they should not.
    Drunk drivers who kill people should get life with no parole.

  9. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Maybe every car should come equipped (or be retrofitted) with a device that forces the driver to perform a task (e.g., put in a revolving code in a short time) in order to start. It would be an inconvenience, but it could save lives. Or maybe it would be viewed by some as big government overstepping it’s bounds.

  10. TheStraw December 23rd, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    LGY-

    Are you saying you believe Cash would put him back in the rotation?

  11. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    JackCurryYES

    Yanks need a RH OFer so they’ve had internal chats about Manny Ramirez. Chance of deal is less than chance w Damon, which is also unlikely 2 minutes ago via Mobile Web

  12. TheStraw December 23rd, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Pass on Manny who can’t play the field at all. I would rather take Thome to back up Tex at 1b and Po at DH and find some other RH bat off the bench for the OF.

  13. RMS December 23rd, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    “Maybe every car should come equipped (or be retrofitted) with a device that forces the driver to perform a task (e.g., put in a revolving code in a short time) in order to start. It would be an inconvenience, but it could save lives. Or maybe it would be viewed by some as big government overstepping it’s bounds.”

    Something has to be done. Too many innocent people dying for no reason.

  14. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    How many games did Thome play at 1B last season?

  15. mick December 23rd, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Hairston

  16. TheStraw December 23rd, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Did he not play any? I don’t know..I am assuming, maybe incorrectly, that he can still play 1b.

  17. mick December 23rd, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Cash doesn’t think of Joba as a starter.

  18. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    Scott Hariston? Jerry is worse in the OF than Damon.

  19. 4 NYY December 23rd, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    No Manny EVER !!!

  20. YankeeRay December 23rd, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    # TheStraw December 23rd, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Pass on Manny who can’t play the field at all. I would rather take Thome to back up Tex at 1b and Po at DH and find some other RH bat off the bench for the OF.

    =====

    I’d rather have Manny as he can play LF 30 games or so and DH against LHP. No Posada at full time DH as Manny is a better hitter from the right side.
    Manny for 30 in LF with Gardner late inning def relief. Manny DH against LHP and pinch hit for Gardner late in games. Posada DH against RHP and catch against some LHP.

  21. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    –For Erica.

    “In addition to the Yankees, Johnny Damon is speaking to the Rays and Angels about a job for 2011. I said yesterday that I wouldn’t bet on Damon and the Yankees hooking up again at this juncture; on the flip side, I wouldn’t bet heavily against it. The Yankees want Damon back more than they’re letting on, I believe.”

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.2566545

  22. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    Betsy

    I’m doing well, thanks for asking. Sorry it took so long to respond, but I’ve got about 4 different sites going at once. Breaks from work are always nice, as long as your invited back. I hope your having a nice holiday season. I can’t wait to see my nephew again, he’ll be here sometime between Christmas and New Years.

  23. mick December 23rd, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    The Yankee OF is thin. If there’s an injury who is the 4th OFer?
    Is there anybody out there not named Manny or Damon?

  24. J. Alfred Prufrock December 23rd, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Kitty Kaat another voice dubious about the “Joba Rules.”

    http://kaatskorner.mlblogs.com....._hurt.html

    “It is more difficult to pitch today than at any time during my baseball lifetime for a number of reasons that you are all familiar with: strike zone, size of parks, and size of hitters, size and weight of bats, no brushing hitters back off the plate, body armor and on and on. It’s a hitter’s game today and a pitcher is at a huge disadvantage. That really accentuates how great Zack Greinke has been!

    But Chamberlain or any other young pitcher is never going to learn how to pitch going to the mound every nine days and having a pitch counter looking over his shoulder like playing the old quiz show game “Beat the Clock.” I feel sorry for him. I have great respect for Brian Cashman, Joe Girardi and the Yankee staff that has this plan in place. I’m sure they’ve thought it out thoroughly. I just wonder if they’ve asked for input from anyone who has pitched 250-300 innings a year several times, how they trained and what they might do differently.

    This seems like a tremendous disservice to Chamberlain. If he does well in October the people behind this plan will say, “See, we knew it would work.” But are they helping him long term? Are they teaching him how to pitch? Or are they just interested in arm strength, miles per hour and power instead of pitching.

    Time will tell. I’m just glad I was never subjected to it. I may have been a part of the people following the game and not playing it long before my 25-year career ended.”

  25. RMS December 23rd, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    No to Manny. Stinks in the OF, too many injuries, lost his power, doesn’t hustle, needs a haircut.

  26. mick December 23rd, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    The FA market is thin, don’t blame Cash for doing nada.

  27. mick December 23rd, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    Hopefully Soriano prices himself out of the market.
    He could fall in our lap.

  28. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    If I’m Damon, I would re-sign thinking that he could get his power stroke to RF back and force the Girardi to give him the PT he wants.

    If I’m the Yankees, Damon (with some power) batting 2nd behind Jeter v. LHP and behind Gardner v. RHP has to be enticing.

    If it happens, think Posada could be one unhappy camper this year.

  29. jackamir December 23rd, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    I know Jason Hirsh was a f/a after last season at S/WB. Has he signed with anyone?

  30. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Between now and the end of March is when you’ll see a flurry of trades. The arbitration figures will be in and teams like Arizona, Houston, San Diego, Cubs and Cleveland will go into sticker shock. That’s when the Yanks can get better deals. From Houston, you’d have W. Rodriguez, Keppinger among others. You can forget [;ayers like Hunter Pence and Brett Myers. Two other pitchers that I’d consider in Brandon Lyon and especially JA Happ in a multi-player deal. Happ isn’t making much, but, as a lefty at the end of the rotation, he’d be just fine.

  31. Betsy December 23rd, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    KPB, so far so good – I’ve got no plans for the holiday (don’t celebrate Christmas) except to see the King’s Speech again…….Other than that, I’m just going to relax.

    How nice that you are going to see your nephew…….how long will he be here for?

  32. mick December 23rd, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    Damon is prob the best option for the Yanks. Gardner is not a given.

  33. murphydog December 23rd, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    NY does this now after conviction:

    http://www.autoguide.com/auto-.....nders.html

    How about mandated interlocks for drivers under 25? Now that I’m more than double that, it seems a fair cut-off point ;)

    When I started as a prosecutor in NY in the early 80′s, first time DWI arrests were pleaded down to speeding tickets. The DWI line was .15 Blood Alcohol Level (BAC). I saw BAC readings in the high .20s and into the 30s regularly. (The police lab guys assured me that .50 BAC meant death). I think the culture has changed a lot regarding alcohol (Thanks to MADD and SADD) but it’s got to go further. Long Island and other NY Suburbs are problems because of the lack of mass transit. Everybody drives everywhere. These attitudes and habits have to change whereby alcohol cannot be part of the suburban car culture.

    IMO, the answer is to keep up the pressure and education brought by MADD and SADD, have many, many more police sobriety checkpoints, and make alcohol-therapy a more prominent feature of the arrest/prosecution cycle.

  34. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Put me in the No Manny camp as well. Regardless of how good he was or might be, I can’t stand his attitude. I can see it being a major problem in the clubhouse.

  35. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    murphydog

    I never practiced crim law, so maybe you know the answer to this question: What percentage of DUI related deaths or injuries are caused by drivers without prior DUI convictions?

  36. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Soriano’s going to have to get more realistic than 4-5 years and $15-16 mil per before he falls into anybody’s lap.

  37. Doreen December 23rd, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    J Alfred -

    When was that from – was it a recent piece by Kaat?

    I think it was well-written and well thought-out.

    I think the major difference is the investment. Years ago, you had one year commitments to players and organizations may not have cared too much if they burned you out too early. These days, far too much money over far too much time is invested, so I suppose the natural tendency is to “protect” and “prolong.”

    I dislike the one-size-fits-all approach.

    But the Yankees aren’t the only team doing this; with Joba it seemed somewhat disjointed , but still I’m hesitant to be overly judgmental without being able to know all the facts.

  38. LGY December 23rd, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    So Rich. You really think that the entire collective braintrust that evaluates these things are all wrong?
    ******

    You constantly criticize Cashman and the Yankee FO, but now they are infallible when it comes to Joba??

  39. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Betsy

    He usually stays anywhere between a week and a month. When I lived closer sometimes it would be longer. Should be fun.

  40. murphydog December 23rd, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    “Time will tell. I’m just glad I was never subjected to it. I may have been a part of the people following the game and not playing it long before my 25-year career ended.”

    Somehow I think Jim Kaat would have been Jim Kaat with or without Rules.

    Why do people assume that a kid phenom out of the bullpen necessarily translates to the starting rotation at the MLB level anyway? People get too nuts over radar gun readings.

  41. mick December 23rd, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    Would the Yanks do 3/30 on Soriano?

  42. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    “Why do people assume that a kid phenom out of the bullpen necessarily translates to the starting rotation at the MLB level anyway? People get too nuts over radar gun readings.”

    Joba was dominant as a starter in 2008.

  43. TheStraw December 23rd, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Rich-

    No- he was dominant as a reliever in 2007. He was fair to middling as a starter with a few dominant stretches in 2008.

  44. LGY December 23rd, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Posnanski had a great article, as usual, this year about pitch counts and innings limits.

    It was basically about how its nice that all these old timers say I was fine without this stuff, but you never hear about the guys who blew out their arms because well they were not successful.

    He listed some young phenoms who blew out their arms that no one talks about and speculated about the countless more we will never remember or hear about.

  45. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    One of the reasons that Chamberlain was so dominating in the minors is because he only had to pitch to other kids and he was better than them. He could get them to chase pitches that ML hitters don’t For that reason, he could go deep into games, throwing the same number of pitches as now in 5 innings. He can’t get the the hitters to do that now. He has yet to adjust to the big league hitters.

  46. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    TheStraw

    As a starter in 2008:

    Batters hit:

    .245 .319 .322 .641

    His ERA was 2.76.

    That’s hardly “fair to middling.”

  47. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 9:30 pm
    “Why do people assume that a kid phenom out of the bullpen necessarily translates to the starting rotation at the MLB level anyway? People get too nuts over radar gun readings.”

    Joba was dominant as a starter in 2008.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    He was new. The hitters adjusted and he didn’t.

  48. LGY December 23rd, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Joba was one of the best starters with some of the best stuff in baseball as a starter in 2008.

    He was phenomenal. His stuff was just incredible.

  49. TheStraw December 23rd, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    Rich-

    I believe he has a stretch of three shutouts in a row right after the Allstar break. After that stretch, if memory serves, his ERA ballooned slightly before they put him on that five inning limit.

  50. LGY December 23rd, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    Joba looked like Verlander in 2008.

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock December 23rd, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Doreen – the facts probably depend on who you happen to be talking to that day,if you know what I mean.I think the withholding of facts can sometimes tell a story.I think there are enough non-facts that have collected on this that a person can go with the gut that says something is amiss.The non-facts don’t add up.we have a lot of people who have expressed skepticism at Chamberlain’s handling,and I don’t mean the ones commenting on this blog.It’s true that Kitty hails from a different era of pitching,but he’s also a realist who lays it on the line and not the type to try and get attention but who speaks straight.If you click on the link and read his whole essay,its a bigger treatment of the subject and worth the time.it was posted Sept. 24,2009.

  52. murphydog December 23rd, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    # Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 9:23 pm:murphydog

    I never practiced crim law, so maybe you know the answer to this question: What percentage of DUI related deaths or injuries are caused by drivers without prior DUI convictions?”

    Great question, Rich. Wish I knew.

    My gut reaction is that there are a lot of variables in every DUI fatality, some are real black swan events. So, it’s hard for me to isolate the “no priors” factor in fatalities. The closer you get to the DUI limit, and the further you go past it, the more likely it will show in your driving. A drunk driver can create a hazard or fail to avoid one due to intoxication; the more drunk, the worse the danger.

    Seems to me fair to suppose that in a certain small percentage of cases a practiced drunk may not show as significant a degradation of abilities as a more rookie drinker. Still, the correlation between impairment and fatality depends on so many other variables I have a hard time isolating the “no priors” factor for you.

    Division of Criminal Justices Services in Albany probably knows, however. Or MADD or SADD. Might even be on their websites.

  53. LGY December 23rd, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    He was new. The hitters adjusted and he didn’t.

    ******

    His stuff is nowhere close to where it was after 2008.

    Gus velocity, movement, and break are all drastically different. That has nothing to do with the hitters.

  54. TheStraw December 23rd, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    My bad. I am confusing 2008 with 2009.

  55. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    GB7

    If you had to guess, what percentage would you give to Montero not being traded and heading up north after ST?

  56. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Chamberlain only made 12 starts in 2008. In 2009, he got worse as the season moved on. The 2nd half was more than 1.20 runs higher per game.

  57. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    TheStraw

    Ballooned is kind of a strong word given that he ended with a 2.76 ERA.

    Every starter, particularly a young one with little experience, is going to have variable performances. But on a rate basis, which is how we assess most pitchers, he was very, very good.

    Now, maybe GB is right and he couldn’t adjust, maybe the shoulder injury was more serious than we have been told, maybe he is out of shape, or maybe it’s some combination of all of the above, or some other factor.

    Any way you slice, the guy looked like he was becoming an elite ML starter.

  58. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Thanks, murphydog.

  59. TheStraw December 23rd, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Rich-

    I was confusing 2008 with 2009. But, in 2008 he was never the same after the shoulder injury. And neither season showed the dominance of his short stint in the pen in 2007. He was filthy and unhittable until the midges got him in the playoffs.

  60. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 9:44 pm
    GB7

    If you had to guess, what percentage would you give to Montero not being traded and heading up north after ST?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    There’s nobody out there on the market anytime in the near future that they’ll be trading him for. I can see Romine being moved, though in a multi-player deal.

  61. murphydog December 23rd, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    “Any way you slice, the guy looked like he was becoming an elite ML starter.”

    “For of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: ‘It might have been!’”
    John Greenleaf Whittier.

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock December 23rd, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Any way you slice, the guy looked like he was becoming an elite ML starter.”

    //this is really the point.this is not just a revived topic on this blog,but the voices asking why he’s not being reconsidered for the rotation are getting louder and higher in number.esp because of the concerns about the SP.it’s a question any intelligent fan can’t help but ask & one that has gone from philosophical in the recent past to a reaction to current events.the yankees might need joba chamberlain in their rotation in 2010.

  63. LGY December 23rd, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    The problem is that Joba looks nothing like he did in 2008.

    It is like watching 2 different pitchers.

  64. TheStraw December 23rd, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    It may be an intelligent question to ask, but the answer depends upon a committee of views on his health, mechanics, and mental strength in either role. The staff may have valid reasons for not putting him back in. I have to assume they do.

  65. J. Alfred Prufrock December 23rd, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    *2011. :D

  66. J. Alfred Prufrock December 23rd, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    OK Straw go right ahead.I’m not making those assumptions.also ‘mental strength’ is dicey territory.I am interested to see what rothschild has to say for himself on young Joba & what he can do to help him progress as a MLB pitcher.

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock December 23rd, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    LGY December 23rd, 2010 at 10:02 pm
    The problem is that Joba looks nothing like he did in 2008.

    It is like watching 2 different pitchers.

    ///2008 is a document.it says Joba Chamberlain was highly successful as a ML SP in his first yr.if it hadn’t occurred,i doubt i and others would be sitting in amazement at the finality of the yanks’ position.& he doesn’t have to replicate 2008.He just has to get ML hitters out.

  68. blake December 23rd, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Eric Solomon (New York, NY)

    Thanks for responding to my tweet…there are some NY Yankees fans (myself among them) that feel there is an opportunity to expose some of the young pitching talent to the majors this year (given the whiff on Lee and potential retirement of Pettitte). If you were GM, and given your knowledge of the Yanks’ system-wide pitching depth, would you endorse that road at this point?
    Klaw
    (1:08 PM)

    I’d love to see Nova get 5th starter time and Banuelos make some appearances later in the year.

    MJ (NY)

    After Andrew Brackman’s 2010 season, do you think he can be a big league starter, or is his future in the bullpen?
    Klaw
    (2:07 PM)

    I’m not sure how much work he can handle, but I don’t know a non-health reason why he couldn’t start.

  69. KPB December 23rd, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    GB7

    Thanks.

  70. J. Alfred Prufrock December 23rd, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    I think ABrack needs to further refine his change.can see him in the BP this yr though.I think they will continue to groom him as a starter any how,but I could see him in the pen late.

  71. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    Sure thing, KPB. I’m tracking Just Christian’s game in the Mexican winter league right now. Led off the game with his 9th homer and added a single in his 2nd at bat. Leads the league in runs cored, hits, doubles and steals (24-0), and BA. I’m hoping that he gets a crack at the right handed hitting outfield spot. His problem over the years isn’t his defense or offense. It’s been injuries. He’s sort of a Gardner with more power. He’s been playing center this winter and does a great job in all three spots. Don’t be fooled by his age (30). He can do the job. Not a home run hitter, but, he’ll surprise people. Hits a lot of them leading off the game and late.

  72. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    Talk about bad trades….

    “Finally, the New York Giants purchased Edd Roush for the princely sum of $7.5K from the Newark Pepper on this day in 1915. This set the stage for one of the most historically notable transactions in baseball history the following year,

    when the Giants sent a package of three future Hall-of-Famers (Roush, Bill McKechnie and Christy Mathewson) to Cincinnati on July 20, 1916. For that bounty the Giants received Buck Herzog (career .664 OPS) and Red Killefer (.642 OPS).”

  73. Carl December 23rd, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    I remember Justin Christian had that stolen base 2 years ago to help us win a game against the Angels. Stole third. Went home on an error.

    Tex hit a Grand Slam that game for the Angels.

    Pudge hit his first home run as a Yankee.

  74. Jerkface December 23rd, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    I posted this yesterday. Joba’s average velocity as a starter in 2008 was 95 mph with a high of 99. In 2009 he never once came close to that number. Peaking at one game where he averaged 94 and touched 97. he never sustained multiple starts at his old level. Most of his starts he averaged 90-92 and had a high of 96.

    Whatever happened after he was injured in 08 severely weakened his fastball velocity and the break on his slider.

  75. REZ12 December 23rd, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    Carl – I was at that game, was one of the best games of the year. We rallied from 5 runs down against Lackey, tattooed Scott Shields (who owned us back then) and manufactured like 5 runs through small ball.

    Thought we were going to take off after that game… instead, we went under .500 the rest of the month and buried ourselves.

  76. Carl December 23rd, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Rez12

    Yep. One of the last great games of 2008.

    Nady had his last big game as a Yankee. He drove in 6.

  77. Against All Odds December 23rd, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    # murphydog December 23rd, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    “Time will tell. I’m just glad I was never subjected to it. I may have been a part of the people following the game and not playing it long before my 25-year career ended.”

    Somehow I think Jim Kaat would have been Jim Kaat with or without Rules.

    Why do people assume that a kid phenom out of the bullpen necessarily translates to the starting rotation at the MLB level anyway? People get too nuts over radar gun readings.
    ————————————————————–

    Because he was a phenom as a starting pitcher in the minors. The reason he went to the pen because he was so electric in the rotation.

  78. Against All Odds December 23rd, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    # TheStraw December 23rd, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Rich-

    No- he was dominant as a reliever in 2007. He was fair to middling as a starter with a few dominant stretches in 2008.
    ——————————————————-

    SMH clearly someone didn’t want the games in 2008.

  79. West Coast Yankee Fan December 23rd, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    I’ve always suspected (along with many) that Joba’s drop in velocity as a starter, which was rather precipitous, could be attributed to his shoulder injury. It’s plausible that from that point on, Joba could throw 96 in short bursts but not be able to sustain it for multiple innings.

    A pitcher can certainly thrive and prosper throwing 91, but he had better have great command and be able to throw his breaking pitch for strikes. (It also might help to have a catcher that can handle sliders in the dirt).

  80. Against All Odds December 23rd, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    # TheStraw December 23rd, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Rich-

    I was confusing 2008 with 2009. But, in 2008 he was never the same after the shoulder injury. And neither season showed the dominance of his short stint in the pen in 2007. He was filthy and unhittable until the midges got him in the playoffs.
    ——————————————-

    IYO tell me why 2008 doesn’t match up to 2007?

  81. Against All Odds December 23rd, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    watch the games*

    but I see you mixed up 2008 with 2009 so it was an honest mistake

  82. Jerkface December 23rd, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    Joba 2008 as a starter was every bit as dominant and a force as he was out of the pen. 10 k/9, brutal fastball, amazing slider.

  83. Carl December 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    # Jerkface December 23rd, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    Joba 2008 as a starter was every bit as dominant and a force as he was out of the pen. 10 k/9, brutal fastball, amazing slider.

    Yep.

  84. SAS December 23rd, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    We just got back from dinner. I must say I was hoping for some late news about something. This off season seems so slow and boring. I am waiting for the Big Day…if it happens at all this season,

  85. Steve Howe a True Yankee December 24th, 2010 at 12:17 am

    Just a lump of coal in our stocking courtesy of Brian Cashman. Looks like a long year of fighting off the Jays for 4th.

    Hopefully this will get Cashman fired.

  86. Rich in NJ December 24th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    Steve Howe a True Yankee

    A perfect user name for a troll.

  87. P December 24th, 2010 at 1:00 am

    With all that’s already said about Joba I’ll add one last thing.. He continually would shake off Jorge a vet catcher or whomever was catching him as if he was a vet pitcher and 8 out of 10x he buried himself.

    I don’t wanna hear the yanks mismanaged him, even of they did he’s had mote than enough chances to redeem himself and has not. It’s time people accept the fact that he’s not going to! Will he improve? It’s possible but that Joba of old does not exist and the current Joba is not dependable!

  88. Rich in NJ December 24th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    Joba’s ERA as a stater in 2009, even though he was coming off what was apparently a significant shoulder injury, was 4.78.

    Last season, the 33 year old AJ Burnett’s ERA was 5.26 as a starter; the 34 year old Javy Vazquez’s ERA was 5.56 .

    Some pitchers may have had enough chances, but it isn’t the still only 25 year old Joba Chamberlain.

  89. Steve Howe a True Yankee December 24th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    Rich in NJ

    Another Cashman apologist. People like you are part of the problem.

  90. lounge lizard December 24th, 2010 at 1:40 am

    “I’m trying to get a utility infielder, I’m trying to get a right-handed hitting outfielder, I’m trying to get a starter and I’m trying to get a reliever,” Cashman said. “I’m working on things, but they have to make sense for us.”

    Exact same quote from Cashman last year about right-hand hitting OF and, after months of agonizing, wound up with switch-hitter who couldn’t hit right-handed. This year the FA pickings in that category are even slimmer: can’t even name someone plausible. Have never believed Cashman would sign Manny.

    I’d take Damon if he’d take us. His HRs dropped in ’10 but his other offensive stats weren’t that bad. Doubles stayed steady at 36.

  91. P December 24th, 2010 at 1:56 am

    Really over talking about Joba.. He’s one small cog in the wheel.

  92. wernerman December 24th, 2010 at 3:53 am

    Andrew Marchand’s Espn article explains the current state of the Yankees so well. The link is off of MLB Trade Rumors. Hal Steinbrenner is running this team differently. He wants a low payroll and a good farm system. Most people on here are still under the impression that the Yankees will spend and spend but they will not anymore. Don’t look for the big signings anymore like before with George. Those days are over people.

  93. wernerman December 24th, 2010 at 4:17 am

    When George closed his eyes an era in Yankee history closed. Love him or hate him, George was interesting and would do anything to win. He had deep pockets.

  94. Pat M. December 24th, 2010 at 5:04 am

    Yanks talking to The Dodgers about pitching……

  95. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 7:13 am

    Pat M. -

    Can I ask where you read that. I think the Dodgers have some good pitching, that would help the Yankees, but, at what cost.

    Also, I’m always a bit worried how NL pitchers will perform in the AL East.

  96. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 7:21 am

    MTU -

    Are you out there yet my friend?

  97. Mike Ri December 24th, 2010 at 7:25 am

    Pat M

    Do you have a link

    ps ,, Manny back in the news . . but i think its Just Manny being Manny … although i wouldn’t mind having his right handed bat in out lineup.. Motivated enough i can see him batting 700 against the Red Sox

  98. randy l. December 24th, 2010 at 7:35 am

    joba chamberlain

    use him or lose him

    verlander only had about 100 innings in the minors too, but he’s started 30 times a year for 4-5 years.

    verlander had his bad year of a 5.00 era approx era at age 25.

    joba should get his 30 starts

    of they should free willy

    and trade him to somewhere he can

  99. Doreen December 24th, 2010 at 7:45 am

    Good morning, morning people.

    No “Tex-Mas” present this season, I guess. LOL

  100. Crawdaddy December 24th, 2010 at 7:56 am

    Joba is in the bullpen and there’s nothing you can do about it.

  101. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 7:57 am

    Good morning Doreen -

    Not yet, the delivery may be late this year.

  102. NYY fan in NH December 24th, 2010 at 7:59 am

    I’ll never forget Damon stealing 2nd and 3rd base in a crucial game 4 of the World Series. That was a critical play in the game and eventually the Yanks won 7-4. That’s the Damon I remember.

  103. Doreen December 24th, 2010 at 8:01 am

    Big Al -

    Is there time for a festivus miracle? I’m not sure of the timing of that holiday. :)

    (That episode of Seinfeld was on last night.)

  104. randy l. December 24th, 2010 at 8:02 am

    http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2009

    before making a decision about joba, go through his starts in 2009

    if this kind of season disqualifies him from starting in the future, i’d be surprised if some hall of fame starters wouldn’t have been disqualified too if they weren’t allowed to start after similar seasons at age 23.

    it is an incredibly irresponsible position by management to throw away the starting career of a pitcher like this.

    they are doing the rest of the league a favor.

  105. JCPD December 24th, 2010 at 8:04 am

    Good morning people……… hope everyone is happy and healthy. I know everyone here is scattered around the country, some with friends or family, some alone…… some in places where it feels like Christmas, some where it doesn’t………. so to you all, here’s to the feel of Christmas
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  106. JCPD December 24th, 2010 at 8:06 am

    Good morning people……… hope everyone is happy and healthy. I know everyone here is scattered around the country, some with friends or family, some alone…… some in places where it feels like Christmas, some where it doesn’t………. so to you all, here’s to the feel of Christmas

    http://picasaweb.google.com/10.....LDdt46faw#

  107. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 8:09 am

    Good morning Jim -

    Got your E-mails, get Christmas background in the Syracuse snow.

  108. blake December 24th, 2010 at 8:12 am

    Merry christmas eve everyone!

  109. Doreen December 24th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    JCPD

    Wow!

    I have a couple of favorites. Generally, the frozen waterfalls, but specifically, the “snow flowers” and there was one picture that looked liked there were two people looking out their window to see a frozen waterfall. I have to go back and check which # picture it was.

    Thanks as always for sharing. :)

  110. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    Doreen -

    Pat M. says the Yankees are talking with the Dodgers about pitching, maybe a late arrival under the tree.

  111. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 8:16 am

    JCPD -

    A good time to join the Polar Bear Club!

  112. Doreen December 24th, 2010 at 8:16 am

    JCPD

    Wow!

    I have a couple of favorites. Generally, the frozen waterfalls, but specifically, the “snow flowers” and there was one picture that looked liked there were two people looking out their window to see a frozen waterfall. Picture #9.

    Thanks as always for sharing. :)

  113. Tar December 24th, 2010 at 8:18 am

    “Some pitchers may have had enough chances, but it isn’t the still only 25 year old Joba Chamberlain.”

    100% agree with this statement With 1 qualifier, Joba bears some of the responsibility for the predicament that he know finds himself in.

  114. Tar December 24th, 2010 at 8:20 am

    Darn it GB and his spelling lessons.

    “Now” Finds himself in.

    Merry Christmas -Happy Holidays everyone. :D

  115. Doreen December 24th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    Big Al -

    I saw that Pat M said the Yankees were talking to the Dodgers.

    It’s interesting, because the Dodgers organization is kind of a mess right now, what with the divorce. I wonder who they’re talking about and what they’d have to give up in return.

  116. JCPD December 24th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Doreen, Al……….. glad you enjoyed the pics. Always a pleasure to share

  117. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    GB7 and spelling lessons, does not compute.

  118. randy l. December 24th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    “His stuff plays so much significantly (better) out of the ‘pen,” general manager Brian Cashman said.

    “We had given him an opportunity to pitch in the rotation, and the velocity dropped. It’s just not the same stuff.”

    he had a 4.40 era in the pen for a whole year at age 24

    how is that significantly better than 4.75 era in the rotation at age 23?

    if joba had a 3.25 era out of the bullpen, i could see the argument.

    with so little difference in results between starting and relieving, cashman’s position makes no sense .

  119. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    JCPD -

    Are you back at home?

  120. MTU December 24th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    Al-

    I’m here. For what that’s worth.

    :)

    JCPD-

    Where were the Polar bears in your shots ?

    Merry Xmas. Peace, Health, and Happiness in the coming year.

    Your Pal,

    The Earthwalker, and PT photographer.

  121. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 8:26 am

    MTU -

    Have you asked JCPD for lessons yet? I thought you’d have him learn all the in and outs of the new camera, and provide you with a cheat sheet.

  122. JCPD December 24th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    Al, yes, I’m back in Corning, will head back to Syracuse tomorrow….. not a stitch of snow here. MTU, I’m sure the polar bears were lurking somewhere the day I was up on Lake Ontario. It was brutally cold and windy that day as you can tell by the waves.

  123. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 8:28 am

    MTU -

    I saw the Polar bear in his video, but it was wearing a wool cap.

  124. upstate kate December 24th, 2010 at 8:29 am

    Merry Christmas and Happy Hollidays blog friends :)
    Finally have some time off, 5 days!!!
    I have a lot of baking and holiday prep stuff to finish today!

  125. MTU December 24th, 2010 at 8:29 am

    JCPD-

    One last thing before I forget.

    I loved the pic of Dakota in the snow.

    Hope you are as pleased with your new camera as I am with mine ?

    It’s everything they said it would be.

    Might be going out to photograph today. We finally have Sun.

    :)

  126. JCPD December 24th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Al, I’m still trying to learn the camera. At this point it’s been point and shoot (and hope for the best). Actually, the hard copy manual tells you nothing (that’s what I had with me at the hotel). The disc, which I have here at home…… the manual turns into about a 230 page manual.

  127. upstate kate December 24th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    great pix JCPD, thanks for sharing

  128. MTU December 24th, 2010 at 8:32 am

    Al-

    Any tips JCPD wishes to share will be much appreciated.

    These thing have to be voluntary.

    Of course, if he were to visit Utah I wonder where he would stay if not with us ?

    ;)

  129. MTU December 24th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    Kate-

    Happy Holiday to you and yours.

    May all your dreams come true.

    Don’t work too hard.

    :)

  130. upstate kate December 24th, 2010 at 8:36 am

    right back at ya MTU
    we haven’t seen much sun either, but at least we have snow to show for it!

  131. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 8:36 am

    JCPD -

    Sounds as if you need an engineering degree to operate. It’s simply amazing how much these new camera’s can do, and for the price it’s unreal.

    Told MTU, I ordered a new Epson printer, the R2880, wide format printer. It’s quite the printer, and I’m looking forward to learning how to get the best out of it as well.

    After taking great pictures, it would sure be nice to get the best print you can.

  132. MTU December 24th, 2010 at 8:37 am

    Let’s see.

    Yankees.

    Dodgers.

    Clay Kershaw.

    Chad Billingsley.

    Matt Kemp.

    Hmmm ? Let me see.

    We might have some interest there I would think.

    :)

  133. JCPD December 24th, 2010 at 8:37 am

    Thanks Kate……. MTU, are you threatening me???? As soon as I know what the heck I’m doing, I will share. One thing I have noticed while shooting video with the new camera, for me, the zoom feature while videoing is difficult. I like it slow and steady on the zoom, I haven’t mastered that….. it’s been very quick and jerky.

  134. MTU December 24th, 2010 at 8:40 am

    JCPD-

    Threaten. Me ?

    Maybe you were just too excited about Xmas to keep a steady hand.

    I’ve been sending you e-mails w/o a reply so I just assumed you fell into a crevasse and were working your way out.

    :)

  135. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 8:40 am

    MTU -

    I got a new cell phone, the Droid 2, and my son knows it inside and out, so when he arrives on Monday, he knows he must share that wealth of info with his Dad. These new phones are little computers, and harder to master. The wife whats nothing to do with it, she’s sticking to her plain and simply phone.

  136. MTU December 24th, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Al-

    I too am curious about how well your new printer will work.

    Please advise when you get time.

    I assume it’s an inkjet rather than a color laser ?

  137. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    JCPD -

    Could the cold be affecting the zoom on video?

  138. MTU December 24th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Al-

    Can’t say I blame her.

    I’m tired of this implanted chip.

    The one the Aliens put in while I slept.

    I want my free will BACK !

    :)

  139. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 8:44 am

    MTU -

    Yes, it’s a 9 ink, ink jet, with 2 black inks, one for matte finish.

  140. JCPD December 24th, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Actually MTU, I just spent 3.5 hours on the phone yesterday trying to get my “mail” fixed. So, yes, I got them and have gone through all your pics. As always, fantastic………. makes me maybe want to visit your neck of the woods :-)

  141. blake December 24th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    MTU,

    Do you have your Santa outfit ready….don’t forget that were dressing up ;)

  142. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    MTU -

    I wish I could get an energy implant, or one that shuts down, allowing sleep.

  143. JCPD December 24th, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Al, no, it’s definitely used error on the zoom.

  144. Rich in NJ December 24th, 2010 at 8:47 am

    Steve Howe a True Yankee December 24th, 2010 at 1:28 am
    Rich in NJ

    Another Cashman apologist. People like you are part of the problem.
    __

    Yet I agree with this:

    randy i

    “with so little difference in results between starting and relieving, cashman’s position makes no sense .”
    __

    And I have recently said that if within the next two years, more top prospects aren’t integrated into keys roles on the ML team (Montero better not start the season in the mL if he has a big ST), Cash’s self-described plan to rely more on the mL would have failed and he would have to be held accountable.

    But I also noted he gets a bit of a pass if the team wins more WS, just like he does now because they won in 2009.

    So the inescapable conclusion is that my criticism of Cashman is rational, and yours isn’t.

  145. Rich in NJ December 24th, 2010 at 8:48 am

    Tar

    “100% agree with this statement With 1 qualifier, Joba bears some of the responsibility for the predicament that he know finds himself in.”

    I agree.

  146. blake December 24th, 2010 at 8:48 am

    Pat M posted late last night that the Yanks were talking to the dodgers about pitchers….he didnt say if he read that somewhere or “heard it through the grapevine” ….hopefully if they are then it’s Billingsly of Kerschaw they are discussing. Details Pat….we need details :)

  147. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    JCPD -

    So, it’s just a maybe. I told MTU we might rent an RV motor home next year and drive out, he said I’d have to pick up you and Dakota and bring you along. Does Dakota get along with small dogs? I also have 2 Shih Tzu’s, so Mike wants me to come out so the mops have some new friends to play with.

  148. Doreen December 24th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    Big Al -

    Sounds like the reverse of my husband and myself. My husband has the same simple cell phone he got several years ago. He has a Blackberry for work, but he just uses it for emails.

    I am the one who is pushing for the Droid-type phone, but I’m still not sure I want to pay for the data plans. I’m not cheap, but it sounded like a lot of money unless I’m going to use all the features.

  149. MTU December 24th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    JCPD-

    As I have told you so many times.

    You are always welcome here.

    This neck of the woods is the GodZone.

    You must either avert your eyes upon entry or wear special glasses to protect them from the extreme beauty.

    We save souls here that-a-way.

    Leonardo DaVinci wanted to visit but he was always too busy to make it.

  150. Rich in NJ December 24th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    I really don’t want to see Montero as a lifelong Dodger. The Yankees have too many aging position players that they really can’t be assured will bounce back and even if they do, it may only be for one year.

  151. MTU December 24th, 2010 at 8:53 am

    Blake-

    The Dodgers were, in my opinion, always a logical target.

    ;)

  152. 108 stitches December 24th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Raphael Soriano is a Scott Boras client. Let’s see if he plays the same game as Damon did last year.

  153. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 8:55 am

    Doreen -

    If you have Verizon wireless, and add a Smart phone to your family plan, the second phone that you normally pay $9.99 per month, is free. If you’re not going to be a heavy user of the Internet, you can get a limited plan for just $15 per month. Bottom line, you add $15, subtract $9.99, so the difference is about $5 per month. There are great deals out there right now.

  154. blake December 24th, 2010 at 8:56 am

    I don’t want to see Montero as a lifelong Dodger either unless we can also see Clayton Kerschaw as a lifelong Yankee.

  155. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    MTU -

    My only fear of coming out to visit you, is I may not want to leave all that beauty behind, the land, not you.

  156. MTU December 24th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    Al-

    It is addictive.

    I will say that.

    Withdrawl symptoms could be severe.

    The only cure is to keep getting fixes or to relocate.

    And you’re right, to hell with me. I’m going there for sure.

    :)

  157. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    I’d offer Soriano 3/36, and tell him he’d be the EIG till Mo retires, and also a co-closer now.

    Then you’d have D-Rob, Joba as 6th & 7th inning RP, Soriano & Mo. This would give you a strong BP, and help offset some of the weakness of the SP.

  158. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    MTU -

    We’ll ride the same train down, weeeeeeeeeeee!

  159. MTU December 24th, 2010 at 9:03 am

    Al-

    You’re already slotted to go the other way along with people like Bronx Born.

    ;)

  160. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 9:05 am

    MTU -

    Do your baby’s get along with other little ones.

  161. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    MTU -

    Any thoughts on my Soriano offer?

  162. blake December 24th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    AL,

    I like that pen a lot….I think it may take at least 4 years though to get Soriano to take a set up role…..I could be wrong but my guess is that he’ll have other 3 year offers to close.

    It would take some of the pressure off Rivera and really give the Yanks a nice bullpen though.

  163. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 9:13 am

    blake -

    My thought was to offer him a co-closer role, where he could close one day, and Mo the next, thus all are fresh at the end of the season, heading into the PS. If Mo pitches more than an inning, then Soriano gets the next day. Also, Soriano would know the closer job was his when Mo retires, or if Mo got hurt, you’d have that insurance. If it’s about money, I think it could work.

  164. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Back in a bit.

  165. Rich in NJ December 24th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    blake

    I wouldn’t make that trade.

  166. BoJo December 24th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    “Damon himself told Mark Feinsand that he has some offers for everyday jobs.”
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  167. MTU December 24th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Al-

    The one does (the black one) but the blonde is a bit skittish.

    I can tell you this. They are both awfully horny, and they aren’t “fixed”.

    As far as Soriano goes. Yeah. I’d like to have him. I don’t think we can snag him for only 3 yrs. though.

    He also has been injured a LOT.

    Maybe Gregg as a SU guy ?

  168. JCPD December 24th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    Al…… Dakota gets along with small dogs. She always used to get along with all dogs, but now she has some issues with dogs her size or larger. I think it may just be her age……. she’ll be 13 in April.

  169. BIG AL December 24th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    JCPD -

    If Dakota has a problem with larger, “Old Dogs”, a visit to Mike might be out of the question, lol.

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    “Some pitchers may have had enough chances, but it isn’t the still only 25 year old Joba Chamberlain.”

    100% agree with this statement With 1 qualifier, Joba bears some of the responsibility for the predicament that he know finds himself in.
    ———————————————————-

    True part of the blame falls on Joba as well. He bears the brunt of it too.

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