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Teixeira participating in Bowl Week kickoff

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 26, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tomorrow, Yankees first baseman Mark Teixeira will participate in an event to kick start the week leading up to the New Era Pinstripe Bowl. Here’s the announcement from the Yankees.

The New Era Pinstripe Bowl will officially kick off its inaugural Bowl Week on Monday, December 27, with a special event at the Times Square Visitor Center.

New York Yankees All-Star first baseman Mark Teixeira, former Syracuse quarterback and Brooklyn-native Don McPherson and Kansas State Director of Athletics John Currie will join New Era Pinstripe Bowl executives to officially launch the Bowl Week. Also on hand will be members of the five-time Tony-nominated musical Rock of Ages. Festivities will also include the unveiling of the George M. Steinbrenner championship trophy, which will be presented to the bowl game’s winning team.

At the conclusion of the press conference, fans will be able to purchase tickets for the New Era Pinstripe Bowl at the Times Square Visitor Center, where they will remain on sale leading up to the game. Fans may also purchase tickets at www.pinstripebowl.com and at all Ticketmaster outlets.

During the New Era Pinstripe Bowl Week, both participating schools’ players, coaches and staff will take part in events, showcasing their respective universities to the New York-metropolitan area. Special events, promotions and community outreach will take place throughout New York City during the week of the bowl game to create an unforgettable experience for fans, families and visitors to New York City.

In addition, leading up to the New Era Pinstripe Bowl Game – from Monday, December 26, through Thursday, December 30 – businesses throughout Manhattan and the Bronx are participating in the inaugural Bowl Week by offering a special discount to all New Yorkers and visitors in celebration of the New Era Pinstripe Bowl. For a listing of all participating businesses, visit http://web.pinstripebowl.com/visitors/index (certain restrictions apply).

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254 Responses to “Teixeira participating in Bowl Week kickoff”

  1. Rich in NJ December 26th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Teix is one of the big keys to the season, if not the next few years. Unlike A-Rod, Jeter, and Posada, he is in his early rather than his mid- to late-30s. They need him to produce in line with a player in his prime.

  2. ron December 26th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    We played .500 ball because we did not have the solid 1-3 pitchers pitching well like earlier in the year.
    Pettitte wen’t on the dl & hughes came back down too earth.

    If hughes can pitch like a number 2 pitcher & burnett a number 3 i like our chances,especially considering we have the lee money burning a hole in our pockets & we kept all of our prospects.

    It is all about pitching & timely hitting.

    If hughes & burnett get only slightly better & pettitte retires we have an uphill battle.
    At the very minimum we need 2 ace pitchers & right now until hughes proves us wrong we have one.
    If i am the new pitching coach i teach hughes & burnett a changeup & make them use it,master it in any count.

  3. 108 stitches December 26th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    If Andy opts to retire, Wandy Rodriquez may be the only LH option to go after :

    Wandy Rodriguez lhp
    1 year/$5M (2010)

    1 year/$5M (2010)
    lost arbitration with Houston 2/18/10 ($7M-$5M)
    1 year/$2.6M (2009)
    re-signed by Houston 1/26/09 (avoided arbitration, $3M-$2.25M)

    1 year/$0.451M (2008)
    re-signed by Houston 2/28/08

    1 year/$0.406M (2007), re-signed 2/07

    1 year/$0.327M (2006), renewed 3/06

    1 year/$0.316M (2005), re-signed 3/05 (split contract)
    agent: Barry Praver

    ML service: 4.105

  4. Joe from Long Island December 26th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Hello, LoHud friends –

    1. Happy Birthday, Chad. You’ve been doing great work here, keep it up. Enjoy your time at home.

    2. Well, the snow is here, and I’ve already got 1-2 inches on the ground. If it wasn’t for the fact that I’ve got to be out the door and at the job tomorrow AM, I wouldn’t care so much. As it is, I’m looking at plenty of exercise and aerobics late tonight, and again pre-dawn tomorrow. Oh, well….. The goodness for snow blowers….. and that I’m still young and strong :)

    3. MTU – more rain?

  5. YankeesNmore December 26th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    What a wonderful offseason this has been. More filler that has nothing to do with baseball, thanks to our worthless pile of dog$#!t GM, who has been in hybernation since August.

    It is past time for a change. Let that sorry sack of $#!t Cashman make a career out of dressing up in kiddie costumes and climbing down buildings.

  6. William Buckner December 26th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Outside of Lee signing for less with his former team, what else should Cashman have done. Not a very deep off season of FA talent and no one trades young pitching, period.

  7. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    YankeesNmore

    “Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt

    ————————————————————————————–

    I guess you aren’t familar with this quote.

  8. YankeesNmore December 26th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Cashman got led around like a barking dog on a leash TWICE in the last six months on Cliff Lee, and it cost the Yankees both times.

    He let somebody else dictate the pace instead of forcing the issue (as he did after 2008, when he was one more bad season away from losing his job). The Yankees should be the biggest bullies on the block EVERY offseason… Not just the ones when Cashman is desperate to save his job.

    Worse yet, Cashman had no “plan B” either time, which is all the more reason to be much more aggressive than he was… He played both Lee situations like a guy who had options… He obviously had none.

    And beyond Lee, the best move Cashman has made the last year + is Kerry Wood. That’s it. What else has he done??? Trade for Javier Crapzquez… AGAIN! Trade for Austin Kerns… This from the guy with a checkbook beyond compare.

    Brian Cashman has now built a team with one reliable starting pitcher… ONE! It’s obscene, and he should be fired.

  9. upstate kate December 26th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    just beginning to snow here, altho we aren’t expected to get too much. Be careful those of you experiencing the blizzard.

  10. Rich in NJ December 26th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Wait. I thought Cashman’s team won the WS in 2009. Maybe it was all a dream.

    As I have said, it’s time that Cashman plan to rely on the mL bears more fruit over the next two years.

    But to this point, I don’t understand why anyone would have a tantrum over the job he has done.

  11. upstate kate December 26th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    no it wasn’t a dream…I have the WS poster hanging in my office to prove it!

  12. William Buckner December 26th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    I’m not sure dictating the pace is the way it works. NY used their financial muscle, but Lee chose going where he wanted. Good for him. Certainly didn’t with CC. There simply isn’t a plan be in the pitching market.

    I think in both Lee chances, NY might be better served. I’m glad they didn’t give up Montero, especially since Lee could have walked after the season.

    And 7 years for Lee scared hell out of me. He turns 33 this year and he a history of back and oblique injuries.

  13. YankeesNmore December 26th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Well… The Yankees were a .500 team from the end of July on last season… The Yankees have ONE starter they can rely on…

    Those seem like pretty good reasons to be pissed at a GM who SHOULD have more options than any other in the game.

  14. Doreen December 26th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    I’m sorry. How does Cashman FORCE a free agent to come here if they don’t want to?

    How does Cashman FORCE another team into a trade if they prefer another player from another team?

    I truly don’t understand your mindset.

    Not everyone loves the Yankees (players) and no team is going to help the Yankees unless they make out better on the deal or it’s a salary dump.

    There are fewer teams in salary dump mode because MLB is flush with money right now. Fewer teams are likely to trade their best players especially pitchers because more teams are in the running for a playoff spot for a longer period of time.

  15. William Buckner December 26th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    “Plan be” Plan B. I’m an idiot.

  16. West Coast Yankee Fan December 26th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Being a huge dog lover and given all the negativity surrounding pro-athletes these days, I thought this was a really heart-warming story.

    “A dog found wandering in the St. Louis area with an arrow sticking from her abdomen has a new home, thanks to the generosity of star Sox pitcher Mark Buehrle. Buehrle, who lives in St. Charles, Mo., volunteered to pay the veterinary bills of Shelby, the stricken Sheltie, after media reports of the pooch’s plight. The bill was almost $3,000?.

    Seeing Mark Buehrle in a different light now.

  17. upstate kate December 26th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    WCYF
    One of the features on Yankees Magazine (the TV version) was RescueInk, who recently held a grooming fundraiser to support rescue dogs. The Yankees were involved somehow (I don’t remember exactly) and they showed Randy Levine w/ one of his 4 dogs at the event. It made me like him a bit more.

  18. YankeesNmore December 26th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    QUOTE: “I’m sorry. How does Cashman FORCE a free agent to come here if they don’t want to?”

    The same way he “forced” CC to, when he wanted West Coast and National League. You overwhelm him with money… You don’t make a COMPETITIVE offer… You bid whatever it takes.

    In the end, Lee probably left about $15 million in guaranteed $$$ on the table. What goes ignored is that the Yankees finished THIRD in the chase… Lee liked Texas, too, and the Yankees’ offer was no stronger than the Rangers’.

    Cashman said from the start, “We had to pay a premium to get Sabathia to come here. That’s not the case with Lee.”

    He was wrong… AGAIN!

  19. West Coast Yankee Fan December 26th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Kate I read your post on Levine, I think it was yours, and I too admit to some of my admittedly irrational dislike of Randy Levine was diminished. I have an innate distrust of non-dog people and an affinity for those who love and care for them.

  20. Bo knows December 26th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    There are seven, that’s right, seven pitchers in the minors that are within a half year of Majors ready. All of them can bring it into the mid nineties. That’s Nova, Phelps and Noesi in AAA and Brackman, Betances, Banuelos and Warren in AA. All of them are able to be at least average or better in the Majors. Why would you panic and start trading one or two of them for someone below their value. And that’s not taking into account Andy coming back mid season ala Roger. Kennedy got traded and became a very valuable pitcher. Gee, maybe the Yankees should give away a few more kids that will upgrade other teams’ pitching staffs. These are exciting times for the Yankees. Cashman’s pitching plan is coming to fruition. Yet all we get here is squawking. The Yankees have till the All Star break to evaluate the young pitching. Rushing around before spring when they can see how the kids are developing is totally asinine. A little faith is a good thing, people.

  21. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Doreen

    I truly don’t understand your mindset.

    ————————————————————-

    That’s a good thing. If you did it would mean you can think like that and that wouldn’t be good.

  22. YankeesNmore December 26th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    QUOTING Bo: “There are seven, that’s right, seven pitchers in the minors that are within a half year of Majors ready. All of them can bring it into the mid nineties. That’s Nova, Phelps and Noesi in AAA and Brackman, Betances, Banuelos and Warren in AA. All of them are able to be at least average or better in the Majors. Why would you panic and start trading one or two of them for someone below their value.”

    Two questions:
    1) Are you the same guy who swapped your mom’s cow for magic beans?

    2) Have you EVER seen ANY of those guys pitch in person?

  23. Doreen December 26th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    I disagree.

    Sabathia was younger than Lee is.

    The Yankees did not have a #1 Ace Pitcher, and now the Yankees have Sabathia. In fact at the time, the Yankees did not have a #2 either, so Sabathia was a MUST MUST have.

    Lee is not a must have in the exact same way.

    Seven years is too long.

    Lee has back issues.

    The Yankees have several youngsters on track. They don’t need Lee for 7 years. I have a feeling once they had to go beyond 5 years, they weren’t all that keen on having him at all. If he’d have chosen the Yankees, they’d have been happy, of course. But even people here who wanted Lee were saying 5 years was almost too much. If the Yankees REALLY REALLY want someone, nothing stops them. So my feeling is they didn’t REALLY REALLY want Lee. We’ll have to wait and see.

    The situations are not the same.

    And, yes, I would have liked to have Lee. And the Yankees are anything but cheap, but there is a point at which you have to weigh the cost/value and I think Lee wasn’t a slam-dunk.

  24. Rich in NJ December 26th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    I really didn’t want Lee for 7 years anyway.

  25. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    I want the direct quotes from CC that he wanted to be on the west coast and play in the NL.

    All I remember was just some in the media needing a story and anything anti Yankee.

    If you can find direct quotes maybe I would buy it.

  26. mick December 26th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    For somebody with all the answers you have not presented one but WE Should Have Gotten Lee, forced him to come here. When confronted with naming move(s), you can’t. What would you have done Yankee Smore? Name names.

  27. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Ignore “YankeesNmore”. Larry’s been bounced from at least 4 sites for the same BS he’s pulling here. He’s a Ranger troll. He’s not even original enough to come up with his own name. he stole it from the name of another blog

  28. West Coast Yankee Fan December 26th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    I think it’s pretty clear that Cashman has bet that more than a few of the young arms he has accumulated in the minor leagues will be top of the rotation guys for the Yankees. Given that winning is all about pitching for the most part, I can’t disagree with that strategy.If he chose the right talent and if they are developed properly.

    The reality is that if some of those guys do what’s expected of them and fulfill their potential, Cashman will justifiably get the credit. If they don’t, he will get the blame and should.

    We won’t know the answers for a while.

  29. randy l. December 26th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    the yankees didn’t need lee, but they also didn’t need to be in a position where they looked like they needed lee.

    there is no getting around it , the yankees are short one starter and two if pettitte doesn’t come back.

    cashman might want to stagger his minor league pitching so there’s someone coming up every year who can help.

    having the three B’s coming is nice , but they’re all not ready at the same time, and then they will all be ready at about the same time. that means they all can’t come up when they are ready because it’s too many young guys in the rotation.

    i really don’t think cashman gets the young pitching thing. he kind of muddles his way through it. there doesn’t see to be much thought for the timing of development.

    he’d look a lot better he he stayed true to developing young starters and put joba in the rotation which is where he should be with the situation the yankees find themselves in.

  30. mick December 26th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    And that’s not taking into account Andy coming back mid season ala Roger.
    =============================
    Hmmmmmmmmmmm…………………………..

  31. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    randy

    If I was nearer to you I’d steal your soapbox and use it for kindling. :lol:

  32. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Randy, all NYYs really need is for 1 pitcher from Scranton to come out of ST hot and buy a little time for a couple more of the kids to get ready and as long as they patch together 20 wins out of the 4th and 5 spots, they’ll be ok. Bullpens are usually good for 25-30 wins. That’s enough for at least 95 wins.

  33. mick December 26th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Assuming Andy comes back, the only difference from last year is that they got bandaid Vasquez.
    AJ can’t be as bad, Hughes has a year more experience……Cash is trying to change course for the 5th starter maybe Nova and people panic. Of course he never had to develop young starters but he seems to be now, give him a break, somehow we managed to win a title in there too.

  34. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    randy

    The Yankees had 3 young pitchers in the minors(Hughs,Chamberlain,and Kennedy).

    Two were SP and one in the BP.

    How is that a failure?

  35. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    GB7

    The progress Nova made from when I saw him with Trenton to now is very good.

    If he continues that progress he’ll be fine.

  36. YankeesNmore December 26th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Few things… Regarding the wanting of direct quotes from CC relating to WC/NL desires, I can’t help you… I CAN show you plenty of quotes from Cashman saying he knew the “Yankees had to pay a premium” to get Sabathia to give up those dreams, and that’s ALL that matters.

    I can also find you quotes from Cashman saying the Yankees would not have to pay such a premium to get Lee. He was quite obviously wrong, which is all that matters.

    And I “stole” my screen name from my OWN blog??? I don’t think so.
    http://newyorkyankeesnmore.blogspot.com/

  37. West Coast Yankee Fan December 26th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Nova has only pitched 42 innings in the major leagues.

  38. randy l. December 26th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    “The Yankees had 3 young pitchers in the minors(Hughs,Chamberlain,and Kennedy).

    Two were SP and one in the BP.

    How is that a failure?”

    maine yankee-

    you think that hughes , joba, and kennedy have been an overall success for the yankees ?

    you must have backed into a snowdrift and got some snow stuck in your tailpipe.

    the fumes are getting to you.

    hughes’, joba’s, and kenndy’s development are how not to develop starting pitchers.

  39. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Maine, I’m hoping that the only late season issues that Nova and Hughes had was from running out of gas from the increase in innings. hughes hadn’t been over 100 innings since 2006 and Nova was 40 innings over his highest total. We’ll see. It’s Phelps that I want to see get a crack at it, along with Mitchell. Noesi might be ready, but, I’m thinking about mid-season for him.

  40. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    The Yankees are banking on many of their players improving next year – that’s sort of a dangerous position to be in. It’s not like they’re just asking them to be as good as they were – they need them to be better

  41. mick December 26th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    For somebody with all the answers you have not presented one but WE Should Have Gotten Lee, forced him to come here. When confronted with naming move(s), you can’t. What would you have done Yankee Smore? Name names.
    ================================
    YankeesNmore December 26th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Few things… Regarding the wanting of direct quotes from CC relating to WC/NL desires, I can’t help you… I CAN show you plenty of quotes from Cashman saying he knew the “Yankees had to pay a premium” to get Sabathia to give up those dreams, and that’s ALL that matters.

    No response to that?

  42. YankeesNmore December 26th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    What kind of response do you want? Cashman himself has REPEATEDLY admitted the Yankees knew they had to pay a premium to get CC Sabathia to leave the WC and NL.

  43. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Randy, I have to agree…..and although Phil is in the rotation, is he going to be ace that people predicted him to be? If he turns into a solid middle of the rotation starter, that’s an overall success for the Yankees…….but given his minor league success and his hype, it might pay to be careful about hyping up the killer B’s. I think people are making way too many excuses for Joba and blaming the Yankees for his issues – IMO, that’s just not fair at all. Joba has to take responsibility for his lack of progress – he’s not a baby. He’s a professional being paid to do a job. That said, it’s hard to claim he’s a success story when the Yankees have given up on him completely, at the age of 25, as a starter. IPK is no longer here, but I’m fine given that I love Granderson.

  44. West Coast Yankee Fan December 26th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    hey have followed his rehab for years, says Billy Eppler, the Yanks’ director of pro personnel. Last summer, their scouts saw Prior’s velocity and arm speed tick upward. “Small indicators,” Eppler says, “but nonetheless indicators that he was getting better.
    Speaking of pitching. This from Anthony Mccarron at the NYDN on Mark Prior:

    “He was getting up to 92 miles per hour and was averaging 90,” Eppler adds. “With his pitching IQ, he’s going to be able to get hitters out if he’s able to throw at that velocity. He’s got a chance to make the club.”

    Prior should be pretty comfortable instantly – Joe Girardi caught him in Chicago in 2002, including his first major-league start. Larry Rothschild was his pitching coach his entire time in the majors.

  45. YankeesNmore December 26th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Btw, anybody who doesn’t think the Yankees “need Cliff Lee” is kidding themselves.

    They have one reliable starter… ONE! Every other starter they have is a questionmark.

  46. Pat M. December 26th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    WCYF….Don’t be fooled or easily swayed. Randy Levine is a Hump

  47. West Coast Yankee Fan December 26th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    (sorry-typo)

    Speaking of pitching. This from Anthony Mccarron at the NYDN on Mark Prior:

    “He was getting up to 92 miles per hour and was averaging 90,” Eppler adds. “With his pitching IQ, he’s going to be able to get hitters out if he’s able to throw at that velocity. He’s got a chance to make the club.”

    Prior should be pretty comfortable instantly – Joe Girardi caught him in Chicago in 2002, including his first major-league start. Larry Rothschild was his pitching coach his entire time in the majors.

  48. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    I don’t particuarly think the Yankees have a great idea of how to develop youngsters. Phil was rushed in 2007 (though I was fine with giving him a chance in 2008 and, to be fair, he was injured; had he not been, who’s to say he wouldn’t have pitched well). Joba should have been sent back to AAA to start instead of keeping him here in 2008. Then, Joba has a “rough” 2009 (which wasn’t terrible) and that’s it – he’s no longer a starter, even though he’d shown tremendous glimpses. Where is the patience necessary to develop these kids?

  49. West Coast Yankee Fan December 26th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Pat M. I know. Just have to like the dog deal. That’s a good trait for somene to possess.

  50. mick December 26th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    It’s not like they’re just asking them to be as good as they were
    =========================================
    Wrong.
    If Tex, Arod, Jeter and Grandy are themselves we will be fine.

  51. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    randy

    I guess it’s Cashmans fault that Hughs and Kennedy had injuries that slowed their developement.

    As far as Joba is concerned I haven’t seen anything at the drug store to help with brain cramps.

    By the way we don’t have enough snow yet to plug the tailpipe. :lol:

  52. West Coast Yankee Fan December 26th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Betsy – you can stand around and watch a 5’5 guy try to dunk a basketball forever. Or you can stop trying knowing that he probably never will. Patience does not always equate to success.

  53. mick December 26th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    What kind of response do you want? Cashman himself has REPEATEDLY admitted the Yankees knew they had to pay a premium to get CC Sabathia to leave the WC and NL.
    ===================================================
    Can’t you read?
    Name a trade, amove you would have made that Cash didn’t or couldn’t. Obviously you can’t. Love knowitalls who know nothing…

  54. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    WC, I agree, but at 25? After one full year of starting?

  55. Bo knows December 26th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Did someone say more pitchers? Stoneburner, Mitchell, Marshall, DePaula. The Yankees had set up a pipeline, but as with all pitching they develop at their individual pace. Injuries happen, Brackman and Betances come to mind. One good thing – Scranton coaching developed Nova’s four seam FB last year. This year we get to see the young pitching and Montero. Last year people were ripping on Gardner, even with a bad wing he still came up with a 5.4 WAR. I enjoyed Nova’s pitching last year before he would run out of gas. The fun is in the challenge and the journey, the results you put in the scrapbook. Good times in Yankeeland

  56. mick December 26th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    The Yankees are banking on many of their players improving next year – that’s sort of a dangerous position to be in. It’s not like they’re just asking them to be as good as they were – they need them to be better
    =====================================
    Most were hurt. If they play to their healthy selves they will be fine.

  57. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Betsy

    If the Yankees simply gave up on Joba as a SP without cause I would agree they handled him wrong. I would be inclined to think there is more to the story.

  58. Rich in NJ December 26th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    I don’t love Randy Levine, bit people are kidding themselves if they think he does anything that his bosses don’t want him to do.

    So if you don’t like Randy Levine, in effect, you really don’t like the Steinbrenners, because he acts at their direction.

  59. William Buckner December 26th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Premium or not, they got CC because there was no #2 suitor. SF never stepped up.

    As for doing something else, I say, what?

    Lee was never signing with NY. It was Tx and hope for Phila. Phila did what NY did with Tex. Made a last, best offer.

    I’m as disappointed as anyone this off season, but I don’t blame Cashman. I’m all in favor of preserving a minor league system. Not propect hugging, but being cautious about the player they target for a trade.

    Right now, NY has their pants pulled down. No advantage for a trade. Got to hope Andy signs and Nova can pitch like a #5.

  60. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Maine, what could be the story? Cash’s comments about Joba’s velocity being a reason why he’s better as a reliever are so asinine. Phil threw harder in the pen – so would any starter.

  61. randy l. December 26th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    “.and although Phil is in the rotation, is he going to be ace that people predicted him to be?”

    betsy-

    i thought hughes was ready to have a good year last year as pat m said all spring. he’s not the problem of the three, of course, hughes was a blue chip prospect that almost any team could develop.

    as far as joba being high maintenance, if i have an employee that sucks after three years of my mentoring , it’s on me. i say the same thing for yankee management with joba. if they really think he’s devalued they should move him and be decisive instead of keeping what they think of as a failure around.

    i think joba has paid his dues and deserves a chance to fail in the starting rotation. yeah it’d be sink or swim at this point, but there’s a chance the yankees would find a decent starter in joba.
    as it is, his potential is being wasted.

    kennedy didn’t get the yankees granderson, austin jackson was 90% of the value of that trade at the time.

  62. Pat M. December 26th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Bo Knows does indeed knows …..

  63. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Mick, perhaps. Tex wasn’t hurt for the first two months, though……….It’s one thing to get off to a slow start; quite another to be MIA for 2 months. He had one fairly brief surge in May, but then he just sort of came back down to earth. Phil wasn’t hurt – he needs to improve. AJ wasn’t hurt – he needs to improve by leaps and bounds. We actually don’t know if Jeter was hurt……….Alex wasn’t healthy, so he’s a guy I can see having a huge bounceback (not that he didn’t have a fine year)

  64. West Coast Yankee Fan December 26th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Betsy it’s not just that he started for a year. Those decisions are not made in a void or without careful consideration. I think people forget what it was like watching Joba pitch. This is New York, no one gets the luxury of taking their time.

  65. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    It seems that more than just the yankee front office and the “prospect huggers” that think the Yankees have something special growin in the fields of the farm system….they all ask for the same 5-6 players…..Montero, Betances, Romine, Banuelos, Brackman and Phelps.

  66. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Along with Nunez. They can’t all be wrong

  67. MDD2 December 26th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Aww, Sam and Chad have birthdays one day apart… Happy Birthday, Sam!

  68. mick December 26th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    I just named Granderson, Swisher, Posada, Tex and Arod as being hurt and you come back with Hughes?
    Hughes had a fine year and will get better with age, if you weren’t so down on him, I don’t know where you get your expertise,you would see that…

  69. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Betsy

    You can’t tell what has gone on internally based on quotes in the press.

    From some things SJ44 has said and watching the difficulty they had getting him to stop shaking off his catcher it seems like they had issues.

    When you have a young pitcher thinking he knows better what to throw than a vetern catcher that’s going to lead to problems.

    They tried different approaches in 09 to help him succeed and none seemed to work.

  70. Rich in NJ December 26th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    “This year we get to see the young pitching and Montero”

    We may or may not. There have been at least as many reports of trades involving those assets as there have been that they will be given an extended chance to succeed with the Yankees.

    The one failing of Cash’s plan to build from within has been the lack of chances that some prospects have received (IPK being a glaring example).

    So before we can say that:

    “Good times in Yankeeland”

    We need to see more evidence that Cash and Co. will be patient.

  71. randy l. December 26th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    “I guess it’s Cashmans fault that Hughs and Kennedy had injuries that slowed their development.”

    maine yankee-

    don’t forget joba’s shoulder too.

    funny how all three got significantly injured under cashman’s rushing them.

    wake up and smell the pine trees .

  72. randy l. December 26th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    “I guess it’s Cashmans fault that Hughs and Kennedy had injuries that slowed their development.”

    maine yankee-

    don’t forget joba’s shoulder too.

    funny how all three got significantly injured under cashman’s rushing them.

    wake up and smell the pine trees .

  73. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Randy, no Phil is absolutely not the problem………but given that he was a monster in the minors, I think people expect him to be a stud. If he turns into a solid starter, that’s good for the Yankees but wouldn’t you always wonder why he never developed into “that guy” for the Yankees? I remember at some point during the season that someone had mentioned that Phil was the Yankees’ Verlander, Hernandez, et……….. Well if he doesn’t turn into that, but just turns into a solid starter, then you could wonder if something is wrong with how the Yankees develop their starters. This isn’t really a Phil thing, but it’s a Yankee thing. Then again, there’s only so much a team can do for a pitcher, so perhaps I’m being unfair.

    As to Joba, Randy – would you say that Joba should have been given the 5th starters spot out of ST (no competition)? That would have meant that Phil would be in the pen again – or sent to AAA. I can’t agree on blaming the Yankees for Joba’s issues, but I will say that if they think he’s just a reliever, he should be traded.

  74. Bo knows December 26th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    hughes’, joba’s, and kenndy’s development are how not to develop starting pitchers

    —————————————————–

    When you’re right, you’re right.
    They rushed Hughes in early spring, could have waited till mid summer, cost them two years at least.

    Rushed Joba and Kennedy like their hair was on fire. 100 innings in the minors. Even if they had sent Joba down last spring to AAA as a starter would have made sense. Now they have neither fish nor fowl.

    Hopefully the new pitching coach will have some input.

  75. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    What are you talking about, Mick? You said most players the Yankees are expecting improvement from where hurt. Really? Like who? Tex? Please – he didn’t hurt his toe until mid-season. Alex? Ok. AJ? He wasn’t hurt. Phil? You bet the Yankees expect him to improve – he wasn’t hurt. Who else was hurt that the Yankees should expect to bounce back with reasonable health?

  76. mick December 26th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Kennedy was a goofball and would not have succeeded in NY.

  77. randy l. December 26th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    “The one failing of Cash’s plan to build from within has been the lack of chances that some prospects have received (IPK being a glaring example).”

    rich in nj-

    serious question.

    how are all the 3 B’s going to be given a chance at starting if all are on the same timing for being ready.

    woudn’t it make more sense to trade some of the not quite ready pitching for some more ready pitching and stagger the arrival of the young pitchers ?

  78. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Maine, I’m no fan of Joba for all the reasons you suggested……..but then if they are that down on him, why didn’t they trade him?

  79. mick December 26th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    mick December 26th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    I just named Granderson, Swisher, Posada, Tex and Arod as being hurt and you come back with Hughes?

  80. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Rich, what reports? The Yankees offered up Montero for Lee and Halladay………….it’s not like they are shopping him. The mediots have and continue to engage in speculation without a drop of proof.

  81. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
    Mick, perhaps. Tex wasn’t hurt for the first two months, though……….It’s one thing to get off to a slow start; quite another to be MIA for 2 months. He had one fairly brief surge in May, but then he just sort of came back down to earth. Phil wasn’t hurt – he needs to improve. AJ wasn’t hurt – he needs to improve by leaps and bounds. We actually don’t know if Jeter was hurt……….Alex wasn’t healthy, so he’s a guy I can see having a huge bounceback (not that he didn’t have a fine year)

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    hughes ran out of gas. Is it too much for you to understand. He hadn’t pitched in a 100 innings since 2006. That was almost 100 inning increase over the season before. That was a huge jump for any young pitcher to make,

  82. Carl December 26th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    A-Rod was hurt. Jeter was hurt. Tex hurt his thumb AND broke his toe. Swish was missing time.
    Gardner was hurt. Granderson was hurt. Andy was hurt. CC was hurt.

  83. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Rich, IPK was traded for a very good player – it’s not like he was traded for garbage. Are you suggesting that no young players ever be traded?

  84. West Coast Yankee Fan December 26th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    “I will say that if they think he’s just a reliever, he should be traded”.

    Like Mo?

  85. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    randy

    You better hide that soap box. I’m running out of kindling, and the wood burning season has a ways to go.

  86. 108 stitches December 26th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Would love to see 2 of either Nova, Noesi, Phelps, and Mitchell come out of spring training as sleepers.
    Much would depend on how they’re handled by Rothschild and how the “hitter’s grapevine” adapts.
    Would also like to see Brackman pitch well in the early going at AAA and be a mid-season surprise as a breath of fresh air out of the bullpen.

  87. Rich in NJ December 26th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    randy

    I would say two, one in the rotation and one in the pen.

    It may make sense to trade one, but you have to optimize the return and make sure it’s for a star player under 30.

    But the key is to make sure you trade the right one. They may not have sufficient information to know which one that should be right now. Given their state of development, I think they could/should wait a year to make that assessment.

  88. Tar December 26th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    “They have one reliable starter… ONE! Every other starter they have is a questionmark”

    Yankeesnmore

    First of all, can you please STOP shouting. We get it you are not a fan of Cashman.

    Some of us can argue that not getting Lee (Twice) was the best thing that could have happened to the Yankees.

    And Since you mentioned Bucholz, please name the non question mark Sox starters?

  89. Tar December 26th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    “They have one reliable starter… ONE! Every other starter they have is a questionmark”

    Yankeesnmore

    First of all, can you please STOP shouting. We get it you are not a fan of Cashman.

    Some of us can argue that not getting Lee (Twice) was the best thing that could have happened to the Yankees.

    And Since you mentioned Bucholz, please name the non question mark Sox starters?

  90. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    GB, since you insist on being patronizing and condescending, I’m going to make this clear. Any posts you direct to me will be a waste of your time since I have absolutely no interest in discussing this with you. Actually, given your attitude, you apparently have no interest in discussing this – you just want to lecture. Have a nice day.

  91. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    WC, are you kidding me?

  92. mick December 26th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    The Yankees are banking on many of their players improving next year – that’s sort of a dangerous position to be in. It’s not like they’re just asking them to be as good as they were – they need them to be better
    ==========================
    Improving to their healthy selves, yes.
    To be better than that is not what is being asked.

  93. Rich in NJ December 26th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Betsy

    That he was traded is almost besides the point. If he was given more time to succeed, they may have gotten more for him, or even realized that they needed him, and included someone else in the deal.

    As for Granderson, I think we need to see more to know if he is “very good.”

  94. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    randy

    I guess Cashman was overseeing Jobas development in college when he hurt his shoulder too.

  95. tyanksfan36 December 26th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    When was the last time the Yankees developed a starter that stuck in the majors. Its not how they’ve done business, they have always gone out and gotten established pitchers. I’m sure they’re trying their best they just don’t know how to do it.

  96. randy l. December 26th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    “As to Joba, Randy – would you say that Joba should have been given the 5th starters spot out of ST (no competition)?”

    betsy-

    last year joba and phil were on a collision path of both being ready for the fifth spot in the rotation.

    i would have thought the loser would have gotten this year’s fifth spot.

    that would have made sense to me.

    throwing away the starting potential joba has just because cashman has an attitude problem with joba is ridiculous.

    when cashman gets like this he usually buries the guy. if joba doesn’t get a chance to start soon, cashman should at least trade him so he doesn’t derail his career .

    get something for him and move on.

  97. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Betsy

    Is it that they are down on Joba or that they have determined he fits better as a RP than a SP.

  98. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Rich, are you saying Granderson is not a very good player based on a bad year he had in Detroit and half a year struggling ?

    You have said before you’re willing to lose while letting kids develop- well, the Yankees can’t do that. What did you want? When healthy in 2008 IPK was awful……….. 2009, the rotation only had room for 1 kid: Joba. We already had CC, AJ, Andy, Joba and Wang (for part of the year, anyway). Did you want IPK to replace Wang in the rotation? That meant Phil would stay in the pen.

  99. mick December 26th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Joba has no use in the pen?
    To take him out , to use him as a 5th starter, weakens the pen.

  100. randy l. December 26th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    “I guess Cashman was overseeing Jobas development in college when he hurt his shoulder too.”

    maine yankee-

    cashman couldn’t get a job developing photos at one of those little kiosks that used to be in parking lots.

  101. Rich in NJ December 26th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    “Kennedy was a goofball and would not have succeeded in NY.”

    We used to hear that kind of stuff about Cano.

  102. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    randy

    I read how you praised the RS for how they kept Bucky in the minors.

    From things I heard it had as much or more with his need to mature.

  103. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    tyanksfan36 December 26th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
    When was the last time the Yankees developed a starter that stuck in the majors. Its not how they’ve done business, they have always gone out and gotten established pitchers. I’m sure they’re trying their best they just don’t know how to do it.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    They haven’t had many young pitchers to develop because it’s been years that they’ve had this many really good young pitchers that stayed healthy and that they could actually draft. Most of the good ones were gone. Thank the teams too cheap to pay the bonus money that allowed them to fall to the Yankees.

  104. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Randy, I don’t want to go into Cashman because although I’m down on him now, I like him quite a bit. When I thought we were going to sign Lee, I still didn’t want another kid in the rotation – that means not just Nova, but Joba or whomever. I didn’t have much faith beyond CC and Lee (possibly Pettitte)………..therefore, although I think Cash gave up on Joba too soon as a starter, I admit that I had no solution. If we’re going to go with kids at this point, then I would prefer to see Joba over Nova………just so at least we can say we gave it a real go and that there are no regrets.

    Maine, Cash has taken such a hard line stance on this – I don’t know. I find it hard to believe that, having shown real glimpses of all-star ability, that Cash would give up on him as a starter this soon.

  105. mick December 26th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    # Rich in NJ December 26th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    “Kennedy was a goofball and would not have succeeded in NY.”

    We used to hear that kind of stuff about Cano.
    ================================
    Which is why they got rid of Abreu, then Melky.

  106. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    randy

    cashman couldn’t get a job developing photos at one of those little kiosks that used to be in parking lots

    —————————————————————————

    I don’t think he needs a second job to supplement his income.

  107. West Coast Yankee Fan December 26th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    No Betsy I am not kidding, I am making a point. Some pitchers don’t succeed as starters but go on to have great careers as relief pitchers. Mariano, Hoyt Wilhelm and Dennis Eckersly are examples.

  108. mick December 26th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    had no solution. If we’re going to go with kids at this point, then I would prefer to see Joba over Nova………just so at least we can say we gave it a real go
    ======================================Please….
    Joba had a great shot, most people would agree it wasn’t good enough.

  109. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Betsy

    Glimpses are good.

    At some point the light needs to shine bright.

  110. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    WC, he’s not Mo, though……

    Maine, that’s right, but he was given 1 year to do so………that’s it.

  111. mick December 26th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Silence from a troll is golden.

  112. Rich in NJ December 26th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    “Which is why they got rid of Abreu, then Melky”

    I never read anything about Abreu except that he was a good influence, but anyway, I’m not sure how that applies to IPK.

  113. Bo knows December 26th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Hey Pat

    The best of the New Yea to Ya,

    You gotta admire a guy who comes up with this purple prose, that’s style
    ___________________________________________________________

    cashman couldn’t get a job developing photos at one of those little kiosks that used to be in parking lots
    ______________________________________________

    A wee bit over the top but essentially true.

  114. West Coast Yankee Fan December 26th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Betsy – no one is MO. But the point is that pitchers who begin their careers as starters can go on to have excellent bullpen stints.

    I think Joba should have been traded a long time ago. But at this point I don’t believe he has that much value and we need the bullpen arms. So, he now has a shot to show he can progress and become a valuable asset in the pen. This is a put up or shut up year for Joba in my opinion.

  115. Rich in NJ December 26th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    “Mariano, Hoyt Wilhelm and Dennis Eckersly are examples.”

    Eckersley did succeed as a starter. His 1979 ERA+ as a starter was 150.

    Wilhelm started 27 games in 1959 and had a 173 ERA+.

    The sample size on Rivera as a starter is far too small to draw any sweeping conclusions.

  116. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    WC, I agree with that. I didn’t think he was all that good last year…..nevermind special. I hope he’ll come into camp determined to do the best job he can in his current role and not be upset that he’s not starting.

  117. Ruby Tuesday December 26th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    L . o . l .

  118. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Betsy

    Joba may have started for that one year but the evaluation of him as a pitcher began long before that.

    That’s like when I was in 2nd grade. I droped a pencil and reached down to pick it up. My teacher sent me to the office to get the strap.(yes that was in the dark ages to some).

    She didn’t have to use it by the way. Just going to get it got my attention. :lol:

    The point is it wasn’t based on that one time but it was the final straw.

    She didn’t buy the idea that I was an innocent bystander. :lol:

  119. Rich in NJ December 26th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Betsy

    I’m saying I don’t know if Granderson is good or very good at this point. I need to see if his late season improvement will be enduring.

    The Yankees can’t let players develop but they can let veterans like AJ and Vazquez absolutely stink? Explain that to me.

  120. randy l. December 26th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    “I don’t think he needs a second job to supplement his income.”

    maine yankee-

    good thing, because cashman couldn’t get a job at forsters developing new toothpicks.

  121. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    randy l. December 26th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
    “I don’t think he needs a second job to supplement his income.”

    maine yankee-

    good thing, because cashman couldn’t get a job at forsters developing new toothpicks.

    —————————————————————–

    I think he might be over qualified.

    But if he did he’d probably build an empire. :lol:

  122. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Maine, that’s true…….. a strap just because you dropped a pencil? LOL

    Rich, you can generally expect veterans to pitch to the backs of their baseball cards, so you give them more time.

  123. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    randy

    When you turn on your faucet is the water red.

    I know someone that works at Poland Spring and I think they have a seperate water they send your way which could also explain it.

  124. G-C December 26th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    I’m done talking about Joba.

    Essentially, I think most everyone here knows my stance on him. I think the organization bungled his development terribly and the idea that he isn’t being given a chance to compete for a starting spot is a travesty.

    Nonetheless, I myself fully expect that Cashman fully expects Joba to be the primary 8th inning guy this upcoming year, and furthermore expects him to spot Mariano in the event of an injury. There’s no reason why, with his ability, he shouldn’t be able to be one of the top five or ten relievers in baseball on a consistent basis. The fact that he can incorporate both a knockout slider and solid curveball out of the bullpen makes him unique in his own right as a reliever (from my perspective, a legitimate waste as a reliever, but I don’t have any decision making power).

    I would have worked a trade for Wandy Rodriguez and considered signing Dan Wheeler to a one year deal.

    You’d have a rotation of: Sabathia, Hughes, Rodriguez, Burnett, Chamberlain, and a bullpen with Feliciano, Wheeler, Logan, and Robertson fronting Mariano.

    You put Joba in that fifth spot and you have a guy out there who could very well produce like a front of the rotation starter for relative pennies. And if you consider 2009 his worst case scenario, a 4.75 ERA out of that spot beats what Burnett and Vazquez did last year by about half a run.

  125. Rich in NJ December 26th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Betsy

    I think it’s the contracts that give them more time, and as deep as the Yankees’ pockets are, that shouldn’t be the case.

  126. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Betsy

    I can not tell a lie.

    I deserved it. :lol:

  127. Tar December 26th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    “good thing, because cashman couldn’t get a job at forsters developing new toothpicks”

    Randy

    IMO Cash has not had any real power until 2007-2008. And yes he made his share of mistakes. But if you look at the state of the minors pre 2007 and now, he has also hit his share of homers.

    It is not as one-sided as you state. In fact I would say his legacy is riding on the crop of young guns that hopefully we will start to see this year. I hope he proves you wrong.

  128. Betsy December 26th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Maine, next thing you know you’re going to say you chopped down that cherry tree!

  129. randy l. December 26th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    “I know someone that works at Poland Spring and I think they have a seperate water they send your way which could also explain it.”

    maine yankee-

    there’s a spring coming off the hill above the family sandy river farm that my relatives has been giving away for free ever since i can remember.

    that is till poland spring had it declared unsafe.

    they meant unsafe for their profits.

    i don’t think the poland springs company is too popular in maine.

  130. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Betsy

    More than one.

    I heat with wood. :lol:

  131. DaSaint007 December 26th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Fans and other teams are not used to the Yankees developing players, particularly pitchers from their system, and just don’t know what to make of it until more ‘Hughes’ join the rotation and stick. For several years it’s been only Wang and Hughes that have done so.

    As fans we marvel at other teams young pitching, but are so eager to sign the big name FA pitchers when they hit the market. I’m sure that Cashman, and the other decision makers, will give these kids a chance this season and see what pans out, because if it’s successful, it can save the team millions in starting rotation salaries for several years, and that seems to be part of the new Yankee way.

  132. YankeesNmore December 26th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    “And Since you mentioned Bucholz, please name the non question mark Sox starters?”
    ————————————————————————————-
    Two things:
    1) At WORST, Lester and Buchholz are not questionmarks. That’s one more “non-questionmark” than the Yankees have.

    2) Why should I give a damn about the Red Sox? If they absolutely SUCKED from top-to-bottom, does that make it OK for Cashman to sit on his sorry @$$ and do NOTHING when the Yankees are in desperate need of starters???

    Not in my book.

  133. DaSaint007 December 26th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    A rotation of CC, Hughes, AJ, Nova and Mitre does not inspire confidence for 2011, but I’ll take 1 down year for 5 dominant years with the likes of Betances, Banuelos, Brackman, Nova Mitchell, Noesi, and Phelps filling out the last 2 spots on the rotation and/or filling out the bullpen.

  134. SAS December 26th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Maine,

    We are about the same age. I may even be older and no teacher I ever knew used a strap for any disciplinary reason.

  135. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    randy

    I know a number of years ago they were testing the free springs to make sure the water was safe. I think it was a state thing but that would ruin your theory.

    Poland Spring is popular to the ones that get the jobs. :lol:

  136. randy l. December 26th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    “In fact I would say his legacy is riding on the crop of young guns that hopefully we will start to see this year.”

    tar-

    the problem is this:

    randy l June 4th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    “great plan you have there cashman.

    i do have to hand it too him that it’s a clever plan in that there’s no accountability in the present because that’s pushed off for two to three years. ”

    the red sox have come up with lester, papelbon, buchholz, and bard in the past five years.
    what have the yankees come up with?

    hughes is the answer.

    now cashman has yankee fans salivating for the three B’s and there’s no way to fit them all in at the same time.

    cashman just keeps that young pitching carrot dangling out in the future.
    it never seems to arrive.

  137. DaSaint007 December 26th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    The only real fault IMO of Cashman this offseason is not adding on to the bullpen beyond Feliciano. Published reports indicate that boston is considering Brian Fuentes, who as a lefty pitcher, would be able to setup and close when necessary, and to me is a perfect fit for the Yankee bullpen, as is Jon Rauch, a righty pitcher.

    Unless Cash can convince Rafael Soriano to setup, he seems to be letting some viable options fall by the wayside. True, the offseason’s not over, so there is some time, but I’d rather lock up pitchers that can be effective against boston’s lefty-dominated lineup as well as other key lefty hitters in the league.

  138. pat December 26th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    ed_price Former Cy Young winner Brandon Webb has agreement w/ #Rangers, pending physical, source says. Agent Jonathan Maurer had no comment via text.

  139. SAS December 26th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    The Yankees will get a pitcher, hopefully Andy, if not, they will get a good (not great maybe), 3 or 4 and go with Nova as number 5.

    Boston has a great pitching staff is they each pitch up to their capabilities and without injury. They will be a contender in all likelihood. No one will deny they have a good group of pitchers, I don’t think.

    ————————————————–

    Yanksnmore,

    Please don’t shout or come on this blog as though you own it.

  140. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    randy

    I guess Theo has learned from Cashman.

    Paying FA money beyond what other teams can or will spend and trade some chips from the farm for other talent.

  141. 108 stitches December 26th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    In order for Chamberlain to compete for a starter spot, he’d need to make his intentions known NOW to Cashman, Girardi, and Rothschild and show up late in January and in pitching shape to build up arm strength in Tampa.
    It’s the only way he can change any minds.

  142. Mike Ri December 26th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Whats the story on Wandy Rogriguez and his arb case ??

  143. DaSaint007 December 26th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    MLBTR.com: Rangers and Webb come to agreement pending physical.

  144. yankeefeminista December 26th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    The Jets back into the playoffs. I’ll tell it. :)

  145. yankeefeminista December 26th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    *I’ll take it.*

  146. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    So Buchholz isn’t a questionmark after one good season, but, Hughes is? You’re even more of an idiot than you were 2 years ago.

  147. YankeesNmore December 26th, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    BOTTOM LINE: BRIAN CASHMAN IS A COMPLETE LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OUR GM IS A WORTHLESS SACK OF DOG$#!T, AND THE SOONER HE IS REPLACED, THE BETTER!

    PERIOD.

    THE END!

  148. mick December 26th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    looks like Jets could get KC and not the Colts…could be a good thing.

  149. Tar December 26th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    “cashman just keeps that young pitching carrot dangling out in the future.
    it never seems to arrive.”

    Randy

    If you believe like I do that he didn’t solidify his power (until around 2007) then he really has had the crop of Hughes, IPK, and Joba who have been healthy ml carrots. Not a bad first class of young guns.

    If one is successful (Hughes), one traded for possibly a valuable CF, and one a disappointment is that really a bad % for developing successful pitchers? I think the whole Joba debacle (can we call it that?) Has really clouded people’s perspective somewhat.

    I also think everything is riding on his next class. Hopefully he get’s it right this time.

  150. DaSaint007 December 26th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    YankeesNmore December 26th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
    BOTTOM LINE: BRIAN CASHMAN IS A COMPLETE LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OUR GM IS A WORTHLESS SACK OF DOG$#!T, AND THE SOONER HE IS REPLACED, THE BETTER!

    PERIOD.

    THE END!
    ————————————–
    Time to calm down, get off the computer, and go back to your room before daddy comes home.

  151. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Tar, with rare exceptions, finding one very good starter out of every group of three ain’t bad.

  152. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Simon, he needs to go to work and finish mopping the floors. He’s a sanitation engineer.

  153. MaineYankee December 26th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    randy

    It’s been fun. :lol:

    Got to run. I’ll try to get more ammo for next time. :lol:

  154. DaSaint007 December 26th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    GB, he’s acting like Jerome, a caller who used to call screaming on WFAN. At least Jerome needed to be on meds.

  155. Tar December 26th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    GB

    That’s what I think as well. But it’s easier to dwell on the woulda, coulda, shoulda’s. :D

  156. mick December 26th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    Haven’t heard from Jerome in awhile. He is a sick man.

  157. DaSaint007 December 26th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    For all the panic people out there, it’s worth noting that Texas’s rotation, even with the addition of Brandon Webb who hasn’t pitched in virtually 2 years, is in as bad a shape as the Yankees.

    They lost their Ace in Lee.

    Yankees still have their ace in CC.

  158. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Tar December 26th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
    GB

    That’s what I think as well. But it’s easier to dwell on the woulda, coulda, shoulda’s

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Tar, they’ll have the same thing coming up in the next year with Banuelos, Brackman and Betances. If they get another Hughes out of that group, along with a bullpenner (Brackman), they’ll have a successful group again. Hopefully, the Yanks keep the other one to be an end of the rotation pitcher like Kennedy. Use some of the other kids to flesh out the bullpens and trade off the older excess of the next two groups coming in.

  159. randy l. December 26th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    “Got to run. I’ll try to get more ammo for next time.”

    stop by the family farm on sandy river.

    they have plenty of ammo.

    i gotta warn you though , all the new generation are red sox fans.

  160. ron December 26th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Wouldn’t it be sweet if brackman comes up after the asb & is lights out & takes mo’s spot in the future,hughes turns into an ace & 2 more pitchers out of the bunch turn into aces & now we have 3 homegrown aces along with cc & montero turns into something between cabrera & pujols & sticks as a catcher with sanchez killing in the minors???

  161. Mike Ri December 26th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    DaSaint

    Theres a difference from being in a Panic and being Concerned . Right now we have 2 dependable pitchers and the rest are question marks * even with Pettite *

  162. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    DaSaint007 December 26th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
    GB, he’s acting like Jerome, a caller who used to call screaming on WFAN. At least Jerome needed to be on meds

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Simon, he’s been bounced out of 4 other sites for this same crap….along with flooding the boards with that useless site of his.

  163. randy l. December 26th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    “If you believe like I do that he didn’t solidify his power (until around 2007) then he really has had the crop of Hughes, IPK, and Joba who have been healthy ml carrots. Not a bad first class of young guns.”

    tar-

    if cashman ddn’t get power as you say until 2007, then hughes, kennedy and joba weren’t his because that’s when they came up.

  164. Tar December 26th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    “if cashman ddn’t get power as you say until 2007, then hughes, kennedy and joba weren’t his because that’s when they came up.”

    I know when they were drafted. But who was in charge of thier development, who didn’t trade them, Who brought them up the Majors. That was all him good and bad. BTW Cash did draft the next crop, which could even be better..

  165. SAS December 26th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    GB,

    Good day. First of all, I think Jerome died. Second, how do you know about this guy?

  166. mick December 26th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    When did you hear Jerome died?

  167. randy l. December 26th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    “they’ll have the same thing coming up in the next year with Banuelos, Brackman and Betances. If they get another Hughes out of that group, along with a bullpenner (Brackman), they’ll have a successful group again.”

    gb7-

    i think this three B’s thing needs to get broken up.

    why should a 20 year old like banuelos be linked with a 25 year old like brackman ?

    banuelos shouldn’t touch the majors this year and probably shouldn’t next year either except at the end of the year.

    i also am surprised that you think that with the quality of prospects that hughes, joba , and kennedy were that you are happy with the results.

  168. SAS December 26th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    mick,

    I think I heard it short after Mike and the Mad Dog broke up. I could be wrong.

  169. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Randy, I guess they were linked because they all moved up together. If Brackman and Betances hadn’t needed the surgery, they’d have already been in the Majors, just not with the Yankees. Everyone knew about them needing surgery, so the Yanks took the gamble with them and got them in later rounds than they would have. Betances should have had the surgery right after the draft but kept pitching. I agree that Banuelos shouldn’t sniff NY until mid-2012 at the earliest…..regardless of how well he does. Let the body finish maturig. It’ll be tough enough because he’ll always be Ford/Guidry size.

  170. randy l. December 26th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    tar-

    i think it’s crazy to say that cashman didn’t have power until 2007.

    he just didn’t have as much.

    we’re just going to have to agree to disagree.

    i’ve been saying the same thing about cashman and developing pitchers since 2007 .

    the yankees have developed one good starter in that time. that’s hughes.

    if that’s the best cashman can do, the yankees really need to be signing more good free agents because one good pitcher every four years isn’t going to work.

  171. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    SAS, he used to trash the ESPN boards with the same BS until they finally banned him. Nobody can stand him. The same obnoxious posting styles…same list of names that he hates.

  172. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Here’s a list of talk show callers in NY.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WFAN

  173. Tar December 26th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Randy

    Agree on his power. But turning over a minor league system does not happen over night. Look at some of his success with the Mexican leagues and International signings. He made mistakes with the first crop to come up, no doubt about it. I am not sure the end results are as bad as you think they are. Also, He has a chance to make it right with the next group. Just my opinion

    FYI, I put a ton more weight on what you post here than most others . Including your take on Wang. But re: Cash I feel the truth is somewhat north of what you do.

  174. SAS December 26th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    GB,

    It is amazing how you remember these things. I wish my memory was as good as yours is about many things. My grandfather used to say I had a memory like an elephant which was a good thing, but now it is like an ant.

  175. randy l. December 26th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    gb7-

    i’m glad we agree that banuelos should be allowed to grow slowly into his mlb debut in late 2012 or even later

    brackman on the the other hand, i could see getting a chance after the all star break this year.

    i just don’t see brackman and banuelos linked.

    they are on a totally different age development path.

  176. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Randy, I’m hoping that they at least allow Banuelos get to the 150-160 innings limit before bringing him up. Put him in the #5 slot and let him finish breaking in that way. No Major League innings limits. I still see Brackman as a future closer. He was deadly in that role in 2009 at the mid season point. His fastball picked up, walks dropped to nothing and breaking pitches that would bring tears to the eyes of a rocking chair.

  177. SAS December 26th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    mick,

    Maybe I am mistaken. He does not get air time with Mike F., but according to the reference GB posted he is alive…glad for him. It may have been Eli that I was thinking of. I dislike Steve Somers so I avoid listening to him. Jerome may call in there.

  178. randy l. December 26th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    tar-

    they are the yankees.

    they can do better.

    that’s really my position.

  179. 86w183 December 26th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Cashman was sabotaged by the Tampa mafia over and over again. He has a mixed track record as any MLB GM would, but don’t get the idea he has total power…. he never has and he never will and as long as Hall remains rather closed mouthed, we’ll never know how often he has his way.

  180. BoJo December 26th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    SAS December 26th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    mick,

    I think I heard it short after Mike and the Mad Dog broke up. I could be wrong.
    ++++++++++++++++++
    I think you are thinking of Vinny from Queens who died. A very knowledgeable Yankee fan.

    Jerome was sick from 2004 to 2007, but recently began calling again.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WFAN

  181. SAS December 26th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Thanks Bojo.

  182. SAS December 26th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Bojo,

    I checked out that site when GB posted it. It is simply amazing the things Wikipedia has in it. I am not as conversant with everything computers can do as I might be.

  183. Bx is Burning December 26th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Don’t know if anyone linked to this earlier, but there are some great quotes/stories about The Boss in this Times tribute from today’s “Lives They Lived” Sunday magazine:

    http://www.nytimes.com/interac.....einbrenner

  184. BoJo December 26th, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    SAS–I don’t know if anyone else recalls Vinnie from Queens, but that guy really knew his stuff. Great insights.

  185. SAS December 26th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Bojo,

    I know who he was. I often have Mike on as background noise, even when I am in AZ, but I don’t always play careful attention unless it is something that is of particular interest. In NY I watch Mike when I am home in the afternoon.

    What can be hard is following what is going on here on a busy day and listening to him.

  186. Don December 26th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    If we don’t like Cashman, we can always get Minaya (I believe he is available!)

  187. SAS December 26th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    BX is Burning,

    Interesting stuff.

  188. Rich in NJ December 26th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    “randy l.

    they are the yankees.

    they can do better.

    that’s really my position.”
    __

    One way to get better is to stop overpaying aging players based on past performance, but you recently wanted them to do just that.

  189. Pat M. December 27th, 2010 at 3:34 am

    I guess the blizzard knocked out the blog !!!!

  190. Jerkface December 27th, 2010 at 3:44 am

    66% of the generation trey(awful) group are good looking starters in the majors. Thats pretty good. Hughes and Kennedy have been very positive for the yankees, netting them a good player at a premium position and a full time starter. Kennedy was developed by the yankees, regardless of his no longer being on the team. He didn’t pitch for the yankees in 09 and there was not place for him 2010 so they used him to get Granderson. Regardless of your personal opinion as to the percentage austin jackson played in the trade, it was stated that the Diamondbacks demanded Kennedy be in the deal or else Detroit was not going to be able to deal Edwin Jackson.

    That is significant value. If the Yankees continue to graduate 66% of their top pitching prospects, I think they will be far ahead of the curve in the major leagues.

  191. ron December 27th, 2010 at 5:39 am

    Couldn’t get on all night.
    Out shoveling,bits at a time.

    What a mess.

  192. tyanksfan36 December 27th, 2010 at 6:05 am

    Wow, the things I accomplished while this blog was down! I took an online 5 hour course I had been putting off and started my internship application that’s due mid January.

  193. ron December 27th, 2010 at 6:22 am

    Don’t know if i am going too work at 9:30
    Still have a lot of shoveling & it’s still snowing.

  194. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 7:15 am

    We had the the great flood not a week ago and now you guys are battlin’ a blizzard.

    South Carolina and Georgia had their first recorded snow on Xmas day since records were kept.

    That dates back to the 1880′s.

    Are the Mayans right ? End of days in 2012.

    Better get on over to the Stadium soon.

  195. pat December 27th, 2010 at 7:21 am

    With the squalls and thunder snow last night, I felt like I was living in upstate NY again.

  196. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 7:22 am

    How ironic.

    A guy who sometimes can’t hit the broadside of a barn with a pitch (AJ) practicing in one.

    Wonders never cease.

    :)

  197. austinmac December 27th, 2010 at 7:22 am

    MTU,

    If it is the end of days in 2012, doe that mean we should trade all low level prospects for instant gratification? :)

  198. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 7:23 am

    Pat-

    Let me know if I need to send in the Cavalry.

    Stay safe.

  199. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 7:23 am

    Mac-

    No time to waste.

    :)

  200. upstate kate December 27th, 2010 at 7:28 am

    good morning all
    Pat you would be better off where I live…we just got a dusting. It is cold, 7 degrees this am, but that is fairly typical this time of year.

  201. blake December 27th, 2010 at 7:30 am

    Morning everyone. Was Santa good to you all?

  202. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 7:32 am

    Kate-

    I once got sent up to Pottsdam to do a job.

    It was so cold that steam was risng from the surface of Lake Champlain which was barely above freezing.

    My boss knew I hated cold weather and still he sent me there in the middle of Winter.

    From that moment on I knew he hated me.

  203. Doreen December 27th, 2010 at 7:33 am

    Good morning, morning people.

    Well, as I said yesterday, we’re going to be digging out the old-fashioned way. We have two shovels, so we can handle it. The difficult part is going to be trying to convince my ex-smoker, lung cancer survivor 81-year-old dad that he shouldn’t help us.

    We watched “The Blind Side” last night. I had been putting it off because I heard it was a real tear jerker and there are times I can’t handle that kind of thing. I was so glad I finally watched it.

    So glad my daughter is home with us and not on her own in this blizzard.

    Really not looking forward to being out there in the wind and cold.

    We got about 20-22 inches here in central NJ.

    At least it wasn’t Christmas Day. :?

  204. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 7:34 am

    Blake-

    The question really is, “Was he good to the Yankees ? ”

    ;)

  205. upstate kate December 27th, 2010 at 7:34 am

    MTU
    you must have been in Plattsburgh!
    yeah I don’t like the cold either…but I am married to one who does!

  206. upstate kate December 27th, 2010 at 7:37 am

    well I am off today, and off to take the dog in for a teeth cleaning…you don’t work on dogs do you Blake?

  207. blake December 27th, 2010 at 7:37 am

    MTU,

    I think that’s TBD. He may make a late run to the Bronx yet. How was your Christmas?

  208. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 7:38 am

    Kate-

    Yes. that’s the one. Please forgive the Alzheimer’s.

    As if that wasn’t enough punishment the SOB sent me up to the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota for my next trip.

    I was more clever than he expected and did not expire on that trip either.

    I went out and purchased a special arctic type jacket for the trip.

    He did not count on my resourcefulness.

    :)

  209. blake December 27th, 2010 at 7:39 am

    Kate, yea not routinely …..hard to get them to be still ;)

  210. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 7:41 am

    Blake-

    It was quiet and peaceful just as we like it. Yours ?

    We’ll see if Santa makes a special visit for the Yankees because right now there is just a big lump of coal in their stocking.

  211. blake December 27th, 2010 at 7:47 am

    MTU,

    Yea Santa brought our son a stomach bug and cold…..were up all night Christmas eve with him…other than that though it was good ;)

  212. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 7:50 am

    Blake-

    Hope he feels better soon.

  213. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 7:53 am

    Blake-

    If AP does not return we’ll need to go out and get a Lefty.

    People have mentioned Wandy Rodriguez, and Jeff Francis as possibilities.

    You got any others (No, not Danks- ain’t happening) ?

  214. pat December 27th, 2010 at 7:55 am

    The blowing snow drifted against the front door so I couldn’t open it so out the back door through 18″ of snow with one dog who couldn’t have been having more fun this morning running through the snow and the other one who I had to trample a path for or he would have preferred to go inside and deal with the consequences. :sad:

  215. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 7:58 am

    Pat-

    The Mini Ice Age has begun.

    Better move South.

    ;)

  216. MaineYankee December 27th, 2010 at 7:58 am

    Good morning everyone.

    Looking out my window as I’m being kept warm by the woostove it looks like we missed the bulk of the storm. Some snow and wind but looking like it isn’t going to give us a significant amount.

    Doreen

    We watched that movie awhile ago. It was good and I really thought Sandra Bullock did a very good job.

  217. blake December 27th, 2010 at 7:59 am

    MTU,

    Yea if Pettite retires then they will have to go and get somebody….don’t know who but someone that can log innings and help protect the bullpen. Wandy would be ok….a Lefty would be preferable but the main thing is at least a quality mid rotation guy that can eat innings and keep them in ballgames. I don’t think the Yanks are done this winter….

  218. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 8:01 am

    Maine-

    We had a woodstove once. I think it was an Orley. Had a flat place on top for cooking or boiling water.

    It really put out a lot of heat. It was great.

  219. MaineYankee December 27th, 2010 at 8:02 am

    blake

    The stomach bug hit here as well.

    Not much fun. I found out I still can catch. :lol:

  220. austinmac December 27th, 2010 at 8:03 am

    If you folks can brave the weather, I saw a fabulous movie, The King’s Speech. Amazing story and performances.

  221. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 8:04 am

    Blake-

    Unless they want to go with 2 rookies in the rotation which I doubt.

    Hoping AP decides that there is still something in the tank worth emptying.

    Or that his bank account could use an addtional deposit.

  222. MaineYankee December 27th, 2010 at 8:05 am

    MTU

    I really like wood heat but as I get older it is harder to deal with the wood.

    I cook breakfast on my stove whenever I can.

  223. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 8:06 am

    Maine-

    Do you get the wood from your property or have it brought in ?

    We had it brought in by the chord.

  224. austinmac December 27th, 2010 at 8:07 am

    I am one of a few who can say he took Sandra Bullock’s deposition regarding her house in Austin. She is a very smart woman, and as you would guess, a very good witness.

  225. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 8:09 am

    Mac-

    She seems to have an excellent “disposition”, and she’s good lookin’ too.

    Lucky you.

  226. YankeesNmore December 27th, 2010 at 8:12 am

    “Texas’s rotation, even with the addition of Brandon Webb who hasn’t pitched in virtually 2 years, is in as bad a shape as the Yankees.”

    Is that supposed to make anybody feel better? Texas plays in the softest division in the League. The Yankees play in the toughest division in the Majors.

  227. blake December 27th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    Maine,

    Yea it was rough….that plus the snow but at least it was a white christmas :)

    MTU,

    I still have afeeling Andy will come.back but if he doesn’t then I think Cashman will have to make a deal for another starter. My preference would be 1) Pettite 2) trade for a reliable starter if possible and have a competiton for fifth spot. 3) if a trade can’t be made then just put the rookies in there and let them fight it out for who gets the spots..maybe sign a Millwood to compete with them and then explore the trade market up until July.

    *if Pettte retires and it doesn’t look like they can make a deal for a starter to replace him then I think.they should.seriously consider paying Soriano and making the pen as strong as possible.

  228. theoldCrow December 27th, 2010 at 8:16 am

    Yes Cashman showed Lee and Wood the most money but perhaps is inability to read the tea leaves cost NY in both cases. Everybody gives Boras his due as the shrewdest negotiator, my vote goes to Darek Braunecker, somehow he managed to get AJ Burnett $82.5M for 5 yr’s and Lee $24M per yr, plus put him where he wanted to go. Cash might have to start to do more then just show them the money and make one trip to meet the family. Also he might want to try a full court press on Pettitte starting next week, enough with the 4 corners offense.

  229. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 8:17 am

    Blake-

    It’s looking more and more like things won’t be finalized until sometime in the New Year.

    I pretty much agree with your take.

    Hoping for the best.

  230. MaineYankee December 27th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    MTU

    We have land enough to cut our own but I had to buy some this year.

  231. theoldCrow December 27th, 2010 at 8:25 am

    Also Soriano should be brought in, even if Pettitte decides to return, at least have Boras give the Yanks the last call, but keep it quiet, we don’t need Epstein meddling, and we don’t need the Boston Geniu$ shopping Papelbon and $igning Sori. My guess is Boras would get both NY and Boston in on it if that came to fruition.

  232. austinmac December 27th, 2010 at 8:26 am

    MTU,

    She went with the school marm look for two months of trial. She is pretty cute. Thankfully, my wife isn’t a Yankee blogger.

  233. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    Maine-

    It’s not so bad if you have a chainsaw and a power splitter (Non-baseball type).

    But I can certainly understand buyin’ it.

  234. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 8:28 am

    Mac-

    Does she read minds though, that’s the thing.

    ;)

  235. MaineYankee December 27th, 2010 at 8:29 am

    MTU

    I do have a saw and splitter. Also have tractors still at the farm.

    I’m just not physically able to get my own wood anymore.

  236. austinmac December 27th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    Old Crow,

    Thanks for the trading Papelbon and signing Soriano idea. Now, I have something else to fret about.

    I do wish they would try for Soriano. A great bullpen will be required with the lack of depth we will likely see from the starters.

  237. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Maine-

    Hire Joba. He needs to get in shape.

    ;)

  238. MaineYankee December 27th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    austinmac

    I don’t think the RS would get much of a return for Papelbon. With the way he has been trending the last couple of years and being a FA after this year it would limit the market and the return.

  239. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 8:35 am

    Maine-

    You’re absolutely right.

    Not much of a market for aging Ballerina’s.

  240. blake December 27th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    I don’t think the Sox would spend the money to sign Soriano when they have a cheap closer candidate in the waiting with Bard…..but then of course I didn’t think they’d give Crawford 142 million either. If the Sox are going to spend on anything then it should be to try and get a decent catcher.

  241. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 8:48 am

    Where are we at on the Zambrano thing.

    Is that a dead issue ?

    Maybe we make a play for him ?

    Just keep a Taser handy.

    :)

  242. austinmac December 27th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    Maine,

    I agree on Papelnon. His arbitration salary will kill trade value. I just don’t want them to dump salary and have extra cash. I think, however, anyone wanting a closer would try to get Soriano instead.

    It is curious how quiet Soriano’s market has been. With Boras involved, anything could happen from a long term deal to a one year agreement while he awaits a better closer’s market.

  243. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Mac-

    While they are no where near as good Gregg, Rauch, and Fuentes are still out there.

    Alternatives to Soriano.

  244. blake December 27th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    MTU,

    I think the Yanks should consider one of those guys anyway.

  245. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 8:59 am

    Blake-

    They probably have/are.

    Like any one over the others ?

    I wouldn’t mind Gregg as a setup Man.

    He knows the AL East.

  246. blake December 27th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    MTU,

    I like Gregg and Rauch pretty well. Id like to see the following:
    - Pettite come back
    - another reliever (preferably Soriano) but if not then Gregg or Rauch.
    - Damon as a 4th outfielder
    - Montero to the big leagues by the end of May.

    A lot or that is out of the Yanks control……

  247. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Blake-

    You’re right.

    The most important part of that is out of their hands.

    Damon is a real longshot.

    Soriano is very unlikely unless his market collapses.

    I think the Montero part is as you say.

    Let’s hope we go 2 for 4 at a minimum.

  248. blake December 27th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    MTU,

    Agree that Damon is a long shot but id still like to see it. I think he could be very valuable in that role.

    Soriano…you know I would consider overpaying him especially if Pettite retires and they can’t work out a trade for a replacement. He could be the best remaining way to improve the team and he could take pressure off and provide insurance for Rivera.

  249. MTU December 27th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Blake-

    IMO they are not giving Soriano three or four years at closer’s money even though I agree with you that he’s a difference maker.

    Now, if his market collapses……

    I don’t see damon taking what we might offer him unless he can’t get another gig.

  250. austinmac December 27th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    Even though I would like it(not being my money), if they signed Soriano. However, I can’t really see that happening. Rauch would be okay. Does Gregg cost a first round pick? If not, he will do.

    I wonder if much will happen this week in baseball. I doubt it. Hopefully, Cashman has more motivation to work this week than I have.

    I like Damon, but he can’t play center or right field. His left field defense is marginal, at best. He does provide value with his bat. Due to the defensive reasons, I don’t see this happening either.

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