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Bartolo Colon, the Pinstripe Bowl and Happy New Year

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Dec 31, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Bartolo Colon has been pitching well in winter ball and he says in a Dominican Republic newspaper that the Yankees are one of the teams interested in him. But the 37-year-old former Cy Young winner has been on the downside for a good while now. Not sure he would help if he joined the starting pitching pool.

I was at Yankee Stadium Thursday for the inaugural Pinstripe Bowl. Syracuse managed to hold on, 36-34, against Kansas State. There was a really questionable call for excessive celebration in the final two minutes. It wasn’t excessive. The Kansas State receiver saluted the crowd briefly after his touchdown, pushing a potential tying two-point conversion try back to the 18-yard-line.

Team president Randy Levine said it was George Steinbrenner’s wish to have a bowl game here. The Orange was awarded the George M. Steinbrenner championship trophy. The Stadium was not packed. They announced the paid crowd at just over 38,000, mostly Syracuse fans, although some K-State fans made the trip. The Yankees also said more than 6,000 free tickets were given to community groups, youth programs and veterans. It’s good to have a bowl game at the Stadium, but you would think they’d have to invite a team from the region or it might not draw. The windchill reached 26 degrees from what I could tell on weather.com.

Back to baseball, our quiet week continues.

So Happy New Year to everyone, especially fans of the LoHud Yankees blog. We’ve appreciated all your support in 2010. Most of all, I wish you good health, good fortune and much happiness in 2011.

 
 

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346 Responses to “Bartolo Colon, the Pinstripe Bowl and Happy New Year”

  1. LGY December 31st, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Randy

    Also no one here wants to see the results of your ‘Men on the beach’ google images searches.

  2. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Time to put Colon on some truth serum.

    The Yankees interest in him might just be something that he saw in a dream.

    The Yankees would go to the farm before parading out Colon in pinstripes.

    What a sight that would be. A Zebra on 2 legs.

  3. 4 NYY December 31st, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    I’d rather have a colonoscopy than Bartolo.

  4. LGY December 31st, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Randy likes the twins org so much because they give him hope that he can be the first 90 year old bullpen catcher

  5. 108 stitches December 31st, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Imagine a foot race between 2 plumpies, Bartolo Colon and Joba Chamberlain. Even Posada would sprint by either one.

  6. LGY December 31st, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Randy grew up with his head stuck to a camera, taking pictures of men on the beach.

  7. Mike Ri December 31st, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    I?d rather have a colonoscopy than Bartolo.

    ——————

    LOL LOL LOL LOL

  8. Joe from Long Island December 31st, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Happy New Year, everyone.

    Seriously, let’s give Randy a break. He has his opinions, as we all do.

    Let’s have our New Year’s resolution to be a bit more civil, a bit less nasty to one another here. After all, we all want the same thing, a Yankees’ WS win.

    Now, off to that great tradition of returning unwanted gifts…..

  9. Pat M. December 31st, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Envy runs deep here at The LoHud

  10. jpb173 December 31st, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Time to put Colon on some truth serum.

    The Yankees interest in him might just be something that he saw in a dream.

    ===============================================

    Naw, its what his agent told him to say. The agent wants all prospective suitors to think they are competing with Yankee money.

  11. MTU December 31st, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    “I?d rather have a colonoscopy than Bartolo.”

    With or without anesthesia ?

    Or does it matter ?

    :)

  12. blake December 31st, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    An eldery fellow stole LGY’s calculator a few days ago and now he’s mad at anyone over 50…..it’ll pass.

  13. Purenyyankee December 31st, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    I just don’t know why this idiot Cash-Man won’t sign Soriano. He is the perfect 8th inning fit and would take over for Month in 3 years. I don’t want to hear about his “price is too high.”. This tean has done NOTHING except increase ticket prices.

  14. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    A colonoscopy is temporary pain, Colon in pinstripes would be much more painful and for a longer period of time.

  15. randy l. December 31st, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    lgy-

    how come you and mtu look at the same photo and he comments on the girl and you comment on the guys?

    not that there’s anything wrong with that :)

    i’m just trying to help you out lgy.

    you don’t think that gb7, mtu, big al, joe in long island, murphydog etc were sitting around and talking to a bunch of old guys when we were your age do you?

    you need to get out and live a little and get some stories you can tell when you get old.

    do you really want to be 77 and tell your grandkids ” back when i was twenty i sure used to trash talk that randy l. guy.

  16. rodg12 December 31st, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Happy New Year everyone!!! Hope we all have safe and enjoyable times tonight!

  17. 4 NYY December 31st, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    MTU December 31st, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    “I?d rather have a colonoscopy than Bartolo.”

    With or without anesthesia ?

    Or does it matter ?

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    I’ll take the anesthesia with mine ! Had a couple and that’s the only way 4 me !

  18. MTU December 31st, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Rodg12-

    Absolutely. Same to you.

    :)

  19. 4 NYY December 31st, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Still, I’d much rather have Soria than Soriano. Much more durable and is younger.

    I know it would take a good package, but we’re stocked on the farm.

  20. randy l. December 31st, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    “Seriously, let’s give Randy a break. He has his opinions, as we all do.”

    joe from long island-

    thanks for the nice gesture, but i picked this fight on purpose.
    the blog was getting too inbred with jerkface dominating the evening conversation with a very one sided view of yankee baseball.

    i actually like his sabermetric input but the blog is better when there’s a balance and diversity of opinion. i took an opposing extreme to get some balance and judging by the good quality of the late night talk of the yankee and twins contrasting style of player development my strategy worked.

  21. MTU December 31st, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    4-

    It is hard to pass up that “joy juice” they give you isn’t it ?

    They could rip your arms out and you’d just smile like a Mexican boxer.

    :)

  22. 4 NYY December 31st, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    # MTU December 31st, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    4-

    It is hard to pass up that “joy juice” they give you isn’t it ?

    They could rip your arms out and you’d just smile like a Mexican boxer.

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    I don’t remember a thing ! LOL

    :)

  23. upstate kate December 31st, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    Happy New Year!!
    I just got back from a long run w/ some friends…it is sunny and 54 degrees!!! We all have spring fever…well except my husband who is trying to get one last ski in before all the snow is gone.

  24. Rich in NJ December 31st, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    “I know it would take a good package, but we’re stocked on the farm.”

    But the “stocked farm” is asymmetrical (lots of pitchers and catchers, lacking in other areas) and there is a lot of age on the ML roster. Plus, as a setup reliever, Soria’s value to the Yankees is quite limited.

    The Yankees need to save their mL depth to cover a precipitous decline by a veteran, and they have so many holes in the rotation, that you can’t sacrifice a Killer B for anything other than a lights out starter.

  25. 4 NYY December 31st, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    http://www.maylin.net/Fireworks.html

    Happy New Year Yankee fans !!!

  26. MTU December 31st, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    got to run.

    Let me say it one more time.

    Have yourselves a Healthy, happy, prosperous, and safe New Years.

    P.S. It’s OK to get drunk as long as you don’t go out, and you only have to fall from the couch to the floor.

    And your floor is carpeted.

    :)

  27. randy l. December 31st, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    “I just don’t know why this idiot Cash-Man won’t sign Soriano. He is the perfect 8th inning fit and would take over for Month in 3 years. I don’t want to hear about his “price is too high.””

    i can’t say i disagree with this.

    i have a hunch we’ll be seeing something from my good buddy brian in the next two weeks.

    maybe not soriano but someone.

    if by some chance the yankees didn’t make the playoffs in 2011, that’d be twice in four years.
    surely the steinbrothers would not look kindly on that.

    i would think brian likes his job too much to put it in jeopardy for lack of spending the guys money who could fire him.

    so that’s my prediction. cashman will do something in the next two weeks of substance with the pitching.

  28. blake December 31st, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    What if Felix Hernandez comes available in July or next winter and some or the pieces that they needed to gett him were traded for Soria.?

  29. 4 NYY December 31st, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    # Rich in NJ December 31st, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    “I know it would take a good package, but we’re stocked on the farm.”

    But the “stocked farm” is asymmetrical (lots of pitchers and catchers, lacking in other areas) and there is a lot of age on the ML roster. Plus, as a setup reliever, Soria’s value to the Yankees is quite limited.

    The Yankees need to save their mL depth to cover a precipitous decline by a veteran, and they have so many holes in the rotation, that you can’t sacrifice a Killer B for anything other than a lights out starter.
    ————————————————————————————————-

    B’s & Montero gotta stay put ! And I don’t think we’re gettin’ a lights out starter. Would be nice though.

  30. DaSaint007 December 31st, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    While enamored of the prospects of a Soriano or Soria, right now I’d be more than content with a Jon Rauch, or David Aardsma depending on his recovery from surgery (which should actually lower quality/quantity required in trade).

    And I’d sign Francis now. If he’s successful, great. If not, he didn’t cost much and Pettitte may return after the ASB.

    Mo, Rauch, Robertson, Joba, Logan, Feliciano, Mitre
    CC, Hughes, AJ, Francis/Pettitte, Nova

  31. Roger December 31st, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    It”s almost 2011 over here(4,5 hours) so I wanne wish everyone a happy newyear!

  32. Drive 4-6 December 31st, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Happy New Year to all Yankee fans! With or without Cliff Lee or even Andy we still have a damned good team. One thing for sure, the team that takes the field on Opening Day won’t be exactly the same team that closes the season. The Yanks are fortunate to have a lot of bows in their quiver. You can be sure a lot of them will get used to improve the ballclub.

    A special thank you and Happy New Year’s wish to Chad, Sam, Brian and everyone else who has kept the Lohud Blog THE place for Yankees fans to get their baseball fix. Here’s to 2011!

  33. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Happy New Year to all.

  34. West Coast Yankee Fan December 31st, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    I just hope the Red Sox do not live up to their potential on paper. Were they to win it all in 2011, that would mean 3 World Championships in 8 years as opposed to our 1.

    My Red Sox friends are insufferable enough without having to listen to that crap.

  35. blake December 31st, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    The more I hear Joel Sherman on the radio…..the more I start to like him.

  36. YankeesNmore December 31st, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Oh Boy!!!! Bartolo Colon!!!!

    Could this winter GET any better??? Brian Cashman is ON THE BALL!

    Who’s next??? Sandy Koufax??? Whitey Ford??? Walter Johnson???

    What a pathetic piece of dog-$#!T loser we have for a GM!

  37. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Speaking of prep work for a colonoscopy and YankeesNmore shows up.

  38. randy l. December 31st, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    “I just hope the Red Sox do not live up to their potential on paper.”

    exactly how is the red sox pitching any better on paper than last year when the rotation was a mess after lester and buchholz ?

  39. Pat M. December 31st, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    RhapsodyIn Blue…..Now that is a line worth remembering !!!!

  40. upstate kate December 31st, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    RIB
    :)

  41. mick December 31st, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    # Pat M. December 31st, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Envy runs deep here at The LoHud
    ========================
    What are we to be envious of Pat?

  42. randy l. December 31st, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    all right!!! 36 degrees and sunshine.

    time for some golf

  43. West Coast Yankee Fan December 31st, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    randy l. December 31st, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    “I just hope the Red Sox do not live up to their potential on paper. exactly how is the red sox pitching any better on paper than last year when the rotation was a mess after lester and buchholz ?

    **************

    I think the combination of signing AGon and Crawford, a healthy Perdroia and Youkalis, an improved bullpen, and reasonable expectations that Beckett, Lackey and Dice-K will have somewhat better years warrant that assessment.

  44. Pat M. December 31st, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Tin Cup….That’s where I’m off to….I’m deadly with my new 7 wood……Mick, that remark wasn’t meant for you necessarily…..Later and Happy New Year to all…..Where did 2010 go ???/

  45. West Coast Yankee Fan December 31st, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    I think if we figure out our starting rotation, bullpen and bench we should be more than competitive. But, that depends on who we get to fill those holes.

  46. clownthrowindown December 31st, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    “I just hope the Red Sox do not live up to their potential on paper.”

    exactly how is the red sox pitching any better on paper than last year when the rotation was a mess after lester and buchholz ?
    ——————————————————————————————–

    Here’s the reality with Boston’s chances…

    1. Their offense is better.
    2. Their bullpen is better.
    3. The Yankees are not as good as last year
    4. The Rays are not as good as last year
    5. It is just as reasonable – probably moreso – to guess that Beckett and Lackey will improve as it is to guess that AJ and…ummm…hmmm…Nova?…..Mitre?….will be better.

  47. metalhoops December 31st, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Has there been any talk here about picking up Bonderman or Carmona?

    I’m thinking these guys would be cheap with big upside.

    Am I stupid?

  48. Keith--FL December 31st, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Red Sox were tough last year even with all the injuries….they are far better than us right now, Yankees offense was a problem last year in my opinion regardless of the runs scored stats….Damon, Soriano, Hairston, and 16 Million to Pettitte will allow us to compete with the Sox next year….Damon needs to be told he will DH and play some LF….and be better not playing everyday at his age….Posada will not last without going on the DL….Soriano is a must for a weaker starting staff and helping Mo rest, etc….Let’s go Cashman live up to your title as director of Yankee spending and start spending as I do not feel good about this team as currently constituted!!

  49. blake December 31st, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Carmona wont be that cheap.

  50. West Coast Yankee Fan December 31st, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    For those heading out early and in different time zones and countries, my family and I would like to wish everyone here a very healthy, joyous and prosperous New Year.

    With all the smack talk and intensity, and I am guilty at times, it is far and away the best sports blog in America in my opinion. Two great hosts, some of the most knowledgeable baseball minds anywhere and some damn nice people make this an enriching and enjoyable experience.

    Please be safe, call a designated driver and again, Happy New Year!

  51. yclept December 31st, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Rafael Soriano will be 34 years old in three years – he would never be the replacement for Mo. To be exact, he is right at that point in his career where a sudden decline would not be surprising. I say pass – there is really no reason to throw $8-10M at someone for an 8th inning role. (Soriano is not a multi-inning reliever). I am not doubting his obvious talent – but relievers are so fickle and breakdown so easily…and most of the time, signing them to big free agent contracts is not smart business.

    I never understand why people think they should spend just because they can.

    Keith – The Yankees offense struggled despite the “runs scored stats”? What other stat should we use to indicate how good an offense is?

  52. Erica in NY December 31st, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    Happy New Year everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)

  53. ML December 31st, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    This has to be a joke, right? Bartolo freakin Colon?! No way. Not if he pitched for free.

    I don’t get how people think the RS are way ahead of the Yanks on paper. The players they signed basically just replace the players they lost. They did nothing to improve their rotation. People see the names Beckett and Lackey and they assume they will be the All Star versions of themselves despite having terrible 2010 seasons.

    Yanks offense will be great as always. Rotation is up in the air at the moment but Cash is doing the right thing by not making a panic move. I would sign Soriano to solidify the bullpen which would help ease the pain if the back end of the rotation struggles.

    You can scream all you want for “spending,” but who is out there to spend on? Certainly no good starters.

  54. Jerkface December 31st, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Can we not discuss the merits of the Red Sox for one day? They are going to win like 95 games, not 105.

  55. Jerkface December 31st, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    The Tigers are making Phil Coke a starter after 2.5 years as a reliever. The Yankees obviously have someone who can do the same. Discuss.

  56. YankeesNmore December 31st, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    QUOTE: “The Tigers are making Phil Coke a starter after 2.5 years as a reliever. The Yankees obviously have someone who can do the same. Discuss.”
    ———————————————————————————————-
    Two thoughts.

    1) dead issue.

    2) complete waste of time.

  57. joeman December 31st, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    I’m starting to believe on what you see with this staff is what your getting, maybe adding another RP but thats it…

  58. YankeesNmore December 31st, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    QUOTE: “This has to be a joke, right? Bartolo freakin Colon?! No way. Not if he pitched for free.”
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    Add you to the long list of people I’d rather have working as the Yankees GM than the flaming pile of $#!T with whom we are currently stuck.

  59. GreenBeret7 December 31st, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Jesus!! just give the Bartolo Colon stuff a rest. The only person that have mentioned a connection to the Yankees is Colon. Even the tweeting twirps of baseball isn’t reporting it.

  60. joeman December 31st, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    I figured Bartolo Colon would be as big as a double wide about now

  61. BoJo December 31st, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    metalhoops December 31st, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Has there been any talk here about picking up Bonderman or Carmona?

    I’m thinking these guys would be cheap with big upside.

    Am I stupid?
    +++++++++++++++++
    Yes
    Perhaps (don’t know)

  62. BoJo December 31st, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    :-)

  63. MoRings42 December 31st, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Are they considering signing Colon to pitch to Arod in batting practice or HR derby?

  64. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Sox pen improved?

    Papelbon definitely on the back 9.

    Jenks not what he was.

    Wheeler, Wheeler home run dealer.

  65. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Beckett will improve.

    At what?

  66. MoRings42 December 31st, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Jenks still has a high k/9 so I wouldn’t write him off yet. That’s a good pick up for them.

  67. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    A bad back is a weak stomach.

    Don’t expect any crunches or sit ups from Josh Beckett in the off season before 2011.

  68. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Jenks and Beckett will probably be best buddies with a lot in common, 2 fat hillbilly rednecks.

  69. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Sox must be the only team in MLB with a total of two Mensa members in the pen in Paps and Jenks.

  70. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    The Sox front office must have had an inkling that they would sign Jenks because they widened the Sox pen in Fenway this off season.

  71. GreenBeret7 December 31st, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 3:26 pm
    Sox must be the only team in MLB with a total of two Mensa members in the pen in Paps and Jenks.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    more likely to be ASNEM members.

  72. clownthrowindown December 31st, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    “People see the names Beckett and Lackey and they assume they will be the All Star versions of themselves despite having terrible 2010 seasons.”
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

    People see the names Jeter, Rodriguez, Posada, Granderson and Teixeira and they assume they will be the All Star versions of themselves despite having down 2010 seasons.

  73. Rich in NJ December 31st, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    “The Tigers are making Phil Coke a starter after 2.5 years as a reliever. The Yankees obviously have someone who can do the same. Discuss.”

    Dombrowski needs to replace Cashman…

    j/k

  74. YankeesNmore December 31st, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Not me…

    There has never been a bigger waste of $56 million than the Yankees just wasted on Derek Jeter.

    ridiculous joke.

  75. clownthrowindown December 31st, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    RhapsodyInBlue,

    You do realize that the Yankees’ rotation is so bad that they have stooped to scouting Colon and asking for Garcia’s medical records? Probably should realize you sound silly casting stones at other teams’ rotations.

    And with no EIG, a 41 year old closer and two inconsistent “bridge” guys, its blind to believe NY has a superior pen to Boston’s.

    But go ahead and count on Boston injuries or off-years if that gives you hope! You aren’t the only one who believes/hopes that NY can pull even if enough bad things happen to Boston. Ironically, its your way of admitting that Boston has a better team.

  76. Rich in NJ December 31st, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    “There has never been a bigger waste of $56 million than the Yankees just wasted on Derek Jeter.”

    Mike Hampton and Barry Zito say hi.

    I was against the contract, but I would much rather pay Jeter $56m that what the Yankees paid AJ or what the RS paid Lackey or Lugo.

  77. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    How about the 50 million dollar phone call to Dice-K?

  78. Jerkface December 31st, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Stooping to a new low, I will now defend Derek Jeter. Given that Jeter is a SS, his offense stacks up well against SS’s across the league. While the price is high, there were no candidates capable of replacing him now and I don’t think the Yankees would let Jeter’s contract stand in the way of improving the team.

    Also Jeter is still better than Scutaro and Lowrie.

  79. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    How many shortstops have played for Boston during Jeter’s career?

    It’s no wonder they hate him. They can’t get it right.

  80. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Beckett and Lackey.

    Chubby and Tacky.

  81. tyanksfan36 December 31st, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Yeah I don’t think the Jeter contract was that horrible. We don’t have anyone who can replace him. They have Culver and if he pans out he will be ready when Jeter retires or soon after. Its funny people complain about him and his contract but bring up how they can offer unnecessary dollars to someone else just cause they can.

  82. blake December 31st, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Jeter’s contract is better than Lackey and Beckett’s and will be better than the final 3 years of Crawfords as well.

  83. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Yankees scouting Colon.

    Yeah I’m sure that’s accurate.

    Colon working out in a spandex body suit.

  84. MDD2 December 31st, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Ahhhh. A positive Jeter post from Jerkface. A nice way to end my 2010. I hope for many more in ’11.

    Be safe and have fun, everyone!

    Happy New Year.

  85. Mell December 31st, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    “Jeter’s contract is better than Lackey and Beckett’s and will be better than the final 3 years of Crawfords as well”

    Probelm is it’ll probably be better than the final 3 years of Sabathia and Arod and is a better contract than Burnett’s.

  86. blake December 31st, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    The Yankees called and expressed interest in me right after they called Colon but I told them I was retired.

  87. DaSaint007 December 31st, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Hideki Okajima resigned by boston.

  88. DaSaint007 December 31st, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    The Yankees called and expressed interest in me right after they called blake but I told them I was tired.

  89. blake December 31st, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Mell,

    I expect CC to pitch well for the life of his deal.

  90. blake December 31st, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Dasaint,

    Lol….im that too.

  91. blake December 31st, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    source: blake has expressed interest in Jessica Alba.

  92. Mell December 31st, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    “I expect CC to pitch well for the life of his deal”

    Well, we’ll disagree on that front. History of FA pitchers on long term deals, his age, his body, the mileage on his arm, etc. suggest the last 2-3 years may be closer to Mussina 2004-2008 than we’d like.

  93. DaSaint007 December 31st, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    blake December 31st, 2010 at 4:14 pm
    Dasaint,

    Lol….im that too.
    —————————————-
    LOL

  94. blake December 31st, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Mell, I think it depends on your expectations and whether were talking about pitching well or pitching up to what he’s paid. Maybe he wont be a 23 million dollar pitcher in the last couple years but will still be a solid pitcher like Pettite currently is…..I think so.

  95. blake December 31st, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    If Sabathia is a Cy young candidate for the next 2- 3 years then a solid # 2 or 3 for the next 2 or 3 years after then the Yankees will have gotten their moneys worth from his deal.

  96. Mell December 31st, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    Blake:

    He could never pitch up to what he’s being paid. Nobody could. But I think we agree in general. He won’t be Igawa, but he won’t be Koufax either.

  97. Jerkface December 31st, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Mell,

    I whole heartedly disagree with you re: Sabathia. Really, he is going to be like Mussina at the end of his contract? In the final year of CC’s deal he will be the same age Mussina was in the third year of his. They got CC through his youngest years. He has great stuff, and good control. I think he will pitch at a high level through the length of it.

    There is more risk in it being a longer-term deal, but I don’t think risk of great decline is one of them. The risk was more in injury torpedoing the deal.

  98. Patrick December 31st, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    I would sign Soriano if I was sure that the Yankees are playoff bound. Him and mo would be deadly out of the pen during the playoffs. Unfortunately, unlike the last two seasons, the Yanks are not really a lock for the playoffs. I don’t think an 8th inning guy, no matter how good he is will have enough of an impact during the regular season to justify losing a first round pick, especially in a draft as good as this one.

    Not to mention the big contact it will take to get him

  99. blake December 31st, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Mell,

    Yea I know but with the Yankees I think its relatively speaking…..he’s been worth every dime so far. The body type doesn’t worry me as long as he doesn’t get any heavier….he’s very athletic despite the size and has very sound mechanics. Repeats his delivery well and has no history of arm trouble. He’s also not primarily a power pitcher anymore. He has learned to really pitch and I think that will hell him as he ages.

  100. Mell December 31st, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    Jerkface:

    That’s cool. Little disagreement/debate is what this place all about. Just promise me you won’t disagree with me on this topic for 18 consecutive hours like you did with Randy on the Twins thing, OK? :)

    Off to the pub for some pints and a bite to eat. Hope to be back later, but if not, Happy New Year to all.

  101. Joe from Long Island December 31st, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    randy’s post at 1:10 is on target.

    There’s way too much at stake for Cash and Yanks to stay still. They know the weaknesses of the team better than anyone. Just because we’re not aware of anything going on doesnt’ mean that Cash isn’t busy.

    Maybe they’re worried about Soriano and his arm, signed to a long term deal. Maybe they’re working on a deal with Moore for Soria, whom they’ve liked for a long time now. Pat M. once mentioned here that his scout friends were talking that Billingsley was being tied to the Yanks. And, maybe Cash is busy tweeking the Cubs on how much of Zambrano’s contract they’re going to eat.

    They’ve got a lot of money that’s been already budgeted, salary money for Lee, and maybe even Andy’s money. There’s no percentage in not using it.

    The season is a long way away. Stay tuned. I agree with randy. somehting’s going to happen. It has to.

  102. Jerkface December 31st, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    That’s cool. Little disagreement/debate is what this place all about. Just promise me you won’t disagree with me on this topic for 18 consecutive hours like you did with Randy on the Twins thing, OK?

    -

    No promises :x

    CC is going to opt out and sign with the Phillies anyways

  103. blake December 31st, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    I agree that Yanks are likely working hard behind the scenes…..doesn’t mean that anything will happen but Im sure they are exploring all options. It may be better to wait than to be ripped off though……we just don’t know the price tags. Id love it if they could work something for Billingsley.

  104. Joe from Long Island December 31st, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    One more thought. Keep an eye on Jeff Keppinger. If the Yanks sign him, that shows me that Eduardo Nunez is going someplace, and I don’t mean Scranton. Another deal will be going down.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re negotiating with Keppinger right now, and that’s the reason things are quiet. They can’t make the next move, of which Nunez is part of, until the get Keppinger in the fold.

    This is purely my guessing, so take it for what it’s worth.

  105. blake December 31st, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Joe,

    A possibility….we shall see. Happy new year to you!

  106. Joe from Long Island December 31st, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    And to you, blake. Happy New Year to all here at LoHud.

    Chad, Sam, Brian, Jeff the Tech Guy….

    Have a happy and safe night.

  107. Jerkface December 31st, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Keppinger is currently a member of the astros and cannot be signed.

  108. Joe from Long Island December 31st, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Jerkface, you’re right. I remembered that as soon as I hit submit. However, he can be traded. I still think that would be plausbile scenario. Whether the powers that be see it the same way……

  109. blake December 31st, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    The Yankees could be negociating with Houston though.

  110. Jerkface December 31st, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Ken Rosenthal reported that talks for Keppinger have gone no where. I hope thats not the case. Keppinger would be a slick pick up for a backup spot.

  111. Eroc December 31st, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Astros probably asked for Montero in exchange for Keppinger.

  112. Jerkface December 31st, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    No doubt. Loser teams often make demands such as that. I still remember Phil Hughes for Reggie Sanders

  113. pat December 31st, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    SI_JonHeyman derrek lee turned down $8.5 mil from #padres. so it’ll be interesting to see his o’s deal. maybe he simply loves crabs

  114. YankeesNmore December 31st, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    QUOTING JERKFACE: “Given that Jeter is a SS, his offense stacks up well against SS’s across the league. While the price is high, there were no candidates capable of replacing him…”
    ————————————————————————————————————
    Jeter is a shortstop in name only… His range is HORRIFIC and his arm mediocre.

    The Yankees could get similar offense with more power out of Ed Nunez.

    And they would be paying Nunez the minimum and, even with his scattering some throws, they would have a FAR superior defensive player as SS, one who gets to balls Jeter can’t get close to.

    And the bonuses don’t stop there… The Yanks could put Nunez at the bottom of the order without any issue whatsoever… Jeter belongs at the bottom of the order, too, but the Yankees can’t put him there without creating all kinds of problems/issues.

    And while Jeter at SS is a stretch now, imagine two and three years from now. Moving him from SS will cause MORE issues and drama, and where are they gonna move him??? third base??? left field??? DH???

    Anybody want to explain to me how Derek Jeter hits enough to play DH or a corner ANYTHING for ANYBODY, much less the Yankees???

    The Yankees should have thrown parties over Jeter’s contract expiring when it did. They opted to give him $17 million a year through the age of 40, instead.

  115. blake December 31st, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Or maybe he didn’t want to hit in PETCO.

  116. GreenBeret7 December 31st, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Larry’s hard at work typing his NEXT message.

    http://www.newwaveinstruments......_grief.htm

  117. YankeesNmore December 31st, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    No i’m not

  118. Jerkface December 31st, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Nunez was never a realistic option to start next year. I wanted Jeter to sign a deal for 1 or 2 years, but what they ended up with is fine. They aren’t moving Jeter to third or any outfield position. or Dh.

  119. Jerkface December 31st, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    The important thing is having backup. Jeter for 1 more year is fine. Jeter for 2 more years is ok. Nunez will get his ABs and if he excels he will get more. And if Jeter struggles he will get less.

  120. Yank 97 December 31st, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    And bat Gardner leadoff vs. RHP

  121. YankeesNmore December 31st, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    QUOTE: “Nunez was never a realistic option to start next year.”
    ————————————————————————————————————
    He was the deal-breaker in the Cliff Lee trade! He f’ing better have been a “realistic option” to start at shortstop this year.

  122. YankeesNmore December 31st, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    QUOTE: “The important thing is having backup. Jeter for 1 more year is fine. Jeter for 2 more years is ok. And if Jeter struggles he will get less (AB’s).”
    ————————————————————
    That sounds like a $17 million-a-year player.

  123. Jerkface December 31st, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    He was the deal-breaker in the Cliff Lee trade! He f’ing better have been a “realistic option” to start at shortstop this year.

    Thats not really how talent should be evaluated.

  124. clownthrowindown December 31st, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    First everyone wanted Crawford. Then he signed with Boston and everyone said, “hey we don’t need Crawford – Gardner is the same thing only cheaper.” But…somehow its worth paying Jeter a king’s ransom (for a lot less production than Crawford) instead of going with the low budget Nunez option.

    Its amazing how people on this board contradict themselves so often just so they can convince themselves of the bright side.

    If you say NY getting Crawford would have been a waste, then recognize that Jeter is even a bigger waste. If you say Crawford would have been a good addition…well, Jeter is still a waste anyway, but at least you aren’t being a hypocrite.

  125. YankeesNmore December 31st, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    QUOTE: “Thats not really how talent should be evaluated.”
    ————————————————————————————–
    Could not disagree more.

    At the very least, however, it’s how GM’s get judged.

  126. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    YankeesNmore bore apparently has a man crush on Jeter.

    Where is a better place to spend new year’s eve for a companionless red sox troll but on a Yankee blog whining about how much the Yankees paid Jeter?

  127. YankeesNmore December 31st, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    QUOTE: “Its amazing how people on this board contradict themselves so often just so they can convince themselves of the bright side.”
    —————————————————————————————————
    Smartest thing not written by me I have ever read on this board.

  128. tyanksfan36 December 31st, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    YankeesNmore and clowthrowindown

    You can have eduardo nunez on your team but ill stick with jeter and well see who comes out on top.

  129. Pat M. December 31st, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    Well I found some Boston Chowdahead sap to agree to pay me $ $ 7.00 dollars foe every point above Derek’s 2010 .270 ba & I’ll pay him $ 10.00 for every point below .270……There’s one born every minute….I did offer than wager here to some of the more vocal raggers on Derek will no one taking up the offer,,,,The money was adjusted down as a LoHud discount…….Happy New Years to all !!!!

  130. YankeesNmore December 31st, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    In my defense, I’m not in favor of giving Nunez a $56 million guarantee, either.

  131. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    2 sox trolls agree on a Yankee blog yeah that’s amazing.

  132. mick December 31st, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Good discount Pat!
    A sucker is born every minute…
    To the cornfields with em.

    Happy New Year to all fellow LoHudders!!!

  133. YsGuy December 31st, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    New Year’s Eve reminiscing made me realize that it was 3 years ago in October (during ARod’s opt-out drama) that i tripped over this blog and began relying on Pete Abraham to bring me my Yankees news and I’ve been coming here ever since.
    I cant stand to come here during games, for the same reasons everybody cites, but I still come here first for my Yankees news and opinion.
    Thanks Chad and Sam and Co. for another great year or covering the Yankees and thanks to all the contributors, no matter how crazy you can make me for making this still the place to go for Yankees info.
    Happy New Years to everyone in LoHudland!

  134. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Who cares what Jeter makes??

    Go to hell over on BDC with the rest of your nitwit fan base.

  135. YankeesNmore December 31st, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    Why is it everybody who doesn’t drink all the horse$#!t kool-aid the Yankees are passing out is automatically a Red Sox fan???

    I positively HATE the f’ing Red Sox, and everything not named Larry Bird that’s ever come out of the white trash hell hole. Be fine with me if their team plane crashed.

    You can disagree with my views on the Yankees and that worthless pile of $#!t Cashman, if you wish. But let’s lose the “Red Sox fan/troll” bull$#!t.

  136. joeman December 31st, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    my Jeter #’s for 11

    .285 average with 14 homers, 18 steals and 105 runs.

  137. mick December 31st, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    jeter hits 300, pat m makes a cool $210….not a bad day’s work….joeman, one of the triumvirate was in rare form today.

  138. YankeesNmore December 31st, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    QUOTE: “my Jeter #’s for 11 – .285 average with 14 homers, 18 steals and 105 runs.”
    ——————————————————————————————————-
    You forgot 427 GIDP’s

  139. YsGuy December 31st, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    wooooah! rooting is one thing, wishing death on people because of a game is way out of bounds for me.
    its baseball not life and death, guy, take a step back.

  140. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    Heard the same passionate argument from you before you changed your handle a few names ago.

    How much you really love the Yankees to give a platform in which to spew all your hateful nonsense garbage.

    My rule of thumb is walks a duck quacks like a duck, chances are.

    A lying troll.

  141. mick December 31st, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    well, Jeter is still a waste anyway
    ======================what have you done for me lately attitude===============

  142. mick December 31st, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    rhapsody is on fire on this new years eve

  143. tyanksfan36 December 31st, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Jeter grounded into a lot of double plays but not the most in baseball last year.

  144. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    All these idiots that come here posing as life long Yankee fans dishing out nothing but vitriol about the Yankee front office, players and recent contracts.

    But no one here is entitled to question their motives.

    Actually they’re life long die hard Yankee fans.

    I think a few of us here are smart enough to know the difference.

  145. mick December 31st, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    a guy has one bad year after so so many great ones and was probably hurt and the ingrates cut him no slack…to the cornfields.
    he will hit 300 next year just to shut the heretics up.

  146. pat December 31st, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    It never dawned on the Sox fan that basing the bet on Jeter’s 2010 average and not his career average was a sucker bet? Wow.

    SO what’s everyones plans for New Years Eve?

    Just lamenting to the hubby that our get dressed up and go out days have been replaced by staying home to make sure the kids are sober when they get home days.

  147. mick December 31st, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    rhapsody, have another one, it’s on me man.

  148. Jerkface December 31st, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    First everyone wanted Crawford.

    I never wanted Crawford, I am quite consistent.

  149. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    clown and yankeesN are either the same dope or they car pool.

  150. mick December 31st, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    get dressed up and go out days
    =====================
    that ended when i was 13…

  151. GreenBeret7 December 31st, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    What a lousy day today. It got down to 72 degrees today and is 60 degrees right now. I hate having to open windows or turn on the air in December.

  152. mick December 31st, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    clown and yankeesN are either the same dope or they car pool.
    =================
    i think they are on the same dope

  153. YankeesNmore December 31st, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    QUOTE: “a guy has one bad year after so so many great ones and was probably hurt and the ingrates cut him no slack”
    ——————————————————————————
    No interest in paying premium game-changer $$$ for “probablys” and question marks.

  154. Giuseppe Franco December 31st, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    I’ll submit that Jeter is a better shortstop than YankeesNmore is a Yankee fan.

    All I’ve ever read from his posts is pissing and moaning about everything.

    I’d shoot myself in the head if I was as pessimistic about life as he is about this team.

  155. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Never liked the tatoo of the night crawler on Crawford’s neck.

  156. joeman December 31st, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    # mick December 31st, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    jeter hits 300, pat m makes a cool $210….not a bad day’s work….joeman, one of the triumvirate was in rare form today.
    ————————————————
    when aren’t they

  157. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    If YankeesNmore is a true Yankee fan he is the most unhappy sob on this planet.

    I think he should the new year off by wrapping his lips around an exhaust pipe.

  158. mick December 31st, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    joeman, i think you can expand the club and annoint some new members

  159. AldotheApache December 31st, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 6:50 pm
    All these idiots that come here posing as life long Yankee fans dishing out nothing but vitriol about the Yankee front office, players and recent contracts.

    But no one here is entitled to question their motives.

    Actually they’re life long die hard Yankee fans.

    I think a few of us here are smart enough to know the difference.

    ———————————-

    You can bet that it’s not all that many … included in there are multiple handles from a singular poster.

    Bet on it.

  160. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    YankeeNmore and clown.

    Yeah their the same.

    Really hard to tell which one is the dummy.

  161. joeman December 31st, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    # GreenBeret7 December 31st, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    What a lousy day today. It got down to 72 degrees today and is 60 degrees right now. I hate having to open windows or turn on the air in December.
    ————————————————————
    have to open the window to let all that hot air out

  162. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    **They’re the same.**

  163. mick December 31st, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    the dummy is on the lap of the one with the hand up his ass

  164. DaSaint007 December 31st, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    Derek Jeter is one of the most prideful baseball players I’ve ever seen, and I firmly believe he thrives on challenges.

    When he was derided for his lack of range, he came back the next season with a defensively steallar year.

    Now that he’s ‘all washed up’ due to 1 sub-DJ season, he’ll fight to prove to the nay-sayers (read, Cashman), that he’s still a premier infielder, and I predict that he hits .302, with 18HR, 75 RBI, and 25 SB.

  165. joeman December 31st, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    # AldotheApache December 31st, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 6:50 pm
    All these idiots that come here posing as life long Yankee fans dishing out nothing but vitriol about the Yankee front office, players and recent contracts.

    But no one here is entitled to question their motives.

    Actually they’re life long die hard Yankee fans.

    I think a few of us here are smart enough to know the difference.

    ———————————-

    You can bet that it’s not all that many … included in there are multiple handles from a singular poster.

    Bet on it.
    ———————————————————————————————-

    I’m thinking, GB,Big Al and joe Franco are all the same peeps

  166. AldotheApache December 31st, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    I would take that Jeter bet (+/- .270) in a heart beat.

    But I would have require a minimum number of PA.

    What’s gonna happen to you if he goes 0-5 on Opening Day, then gets injured and, heaven forbid, is out for the year?

  167. mick December 31st, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    I’m thinking, GB,Big Al and joe Franco are all the same peeps
    =======================================
    They have a strong support group.
    Members are Randy, MTU, blake, pat m.

  168. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    GB and Joe Franco have on this blog a hell of lot longer then you pal.

    If we’re all in a life boat you go over the side first joeboy.

  169. mick December 31st, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    have another one rhapsody

  170. joeman December 31st, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    a bounce back year from jeter would be nice somewhere in between 09 and 10

  171. joeman December 31st, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    # RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    GB and Joe Franco have on this blog a hell of lot longer then you pal.

    If we’re all in a life boat you go over the side first joeboy.
    ——————————
    yep..if you say so

  172. joeman December 31st, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    # mick December 31st, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    have another one rhapsody
    ——————————————————————–

    think he had enough

  173. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    I don’t drink joeboy.

    If I did your dark posts would be easier to take.

  174. mick December 31st, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    joeman, didn’t you know the elite members of the once and former ballplayers and scouts of America run this blog?
    what they say go and they have stout followers.
    if you don’t curb your enthusiasm they will ignore you or talk down to you.
    to the cornfields with the elitists.

  175. AldotheApache December 31st, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    Short of his ’09 numbers, anything Jeter does in ’11 will have the same crowd braying, “Yeah, but you know, he’s 37 …”

  176. mick December 31st, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    think he had enough
    ===============
    it’s a long evening, stay indoors, smoke that good stuff

  177. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    Ignoring him is probably the best advice.

  178. joeman December 31st, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    # RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    I don’t drink joeboy.

    If I did your dark posts would be easier to take.
    ——————————————-

    don’t know what your reading….

  179. YsGuy December 31st, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    love dj
    love cash money
    love girardi
    and i love coughlin
    keep em all, they’re winners!
    and they will win again!

  180. joeman December 31st, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    # mick December 31st, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    joeman, didn’t you know the elite members of the once and former ballplayers and scouts of America run this blog?
    what they say go and they have stout followers.
    if you don’t curb your enthusiasm they will ignore you or talk down to you.
    to the cornfields with the elitists.
    —————————————————
    that has already happened

  181. RhapsodyInBlue December 31st, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    I typically don’t post here often.

    I come here to read the good posters, to learn from them.

    I don’t learn anything from posters like joeboy clown and yankeesn.

    They clutter this blog with garbage and turn it into something that bears little resemblance to the blog that I once enjoyed coming to.

    Happy New Year to the real Yankee fans.

  182. mick December 31st, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    If Jeter bombs out the next 3 years he’s worth every penny over the course of his career here…the morons don’t realize he is an icon up there with dimaggio, mantle and mattingly…he and mo will represent the franchise forever and are the two most responsible for the 5 rings we have in the last 15 years.

  183. mick December 31st, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    let it all hang out rhap, you are out of character on this fine eve of the new year, enjoy the honesty

  184. joeman December 31st, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    # mick December 31st, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    let it all hang out rhap, you are out of character on this fine eve of the new year, enjoy the honesty
    ————————————————————–

    go back and read his post today, if he isn’t popping a few …..

  185. mick December 31st, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    the rhapster has posted alot today , which one joeman?

  186. joeman December 31st, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    all of them

  187. mick December 31st, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    the rhapster has a lot of venom, what someone used to call passive -aggressive

  188. Pat M. December 31st, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    The wager kicks in once Derek hits 100 official at bats……

  189. mick December 31st, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    what are we drinkin tonite pat?

  190. Pat M. December 31st, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Going to see Peter Pan the musical with my wife and daughter and then an after show dinner….Very low key evening……Age has suddenly taken it’s toll……That being said, there are several neighborhood parties just in case…..

  191. mick December 31st, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    Peter pan? Is he/she still flying around in that tootoo?

  192. mick December 31st, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    my bad…tutu

  193. joeman December 31st, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    # Pat M. December 31st, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Going to see Peter Pan the musical with my wife and daughter and then an after show dinner….Very low key evening……Age has suddenly taken it’s toll……That being said, there are several neighborhood parties just in case…..
    ———————————————————

    you aren’t kidding about age…..went from a huge hall with well over 500 people then to dinner & smaller hall, then to house parties & now staying home having stuffed shrimp with a glass of wnie and some green tea later…where did the years go

  194. DaSaint007 December 31st, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Happy New Year to all of you guys and gals here on the blog.
    Great job once again by Sam, Chad and everyone else behind the scenes.

    Looking forward to a great 2011! Be safe everyone!

  195. joeman December 31st, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    that should be wine and only one

  196. YankeesNmore December 31st, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    QUOTE: “the morons don’t realize Jeter is an icon up there with dimaggio, mantle and mattingly…”
    ————————————————————
    Then let’s commit about 16% of the entire payroll for the next 3 years to Donnie Baseball & Yogi Berra.

  197. tyanksfan36 December 31st, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Joeman and Pat M.

    I’m at a bonfire drinking and talking about pranks we used to play on coworkers and later when were probably drunk off our butts we will light fireworks. I’m going to get all the irresponsibility out of my system before I have real responsibilities. But we are all sleeping here so we don’t get killed on the way home.

  198. Nick in SF December 31st, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    Resolved for 2011: publish more of my baseball philosophies on google.

    Happy New Year!

  199. Carlo December 31st, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    Mick / Joeman – happy new year.

    GB – may 2011 suck yet again for u. Windbag.

  200. SAS January 1st, 2011 at 12:00 am

    Carlo,

    Any respect of what you say is gone. How on this earth can you wish anyone bad health????
    You are a disgrace to this blog.

  201. Benny Blanco January 1st, 2011 at 12:10 am

    happy new year lohud!!!

  202. Jerkface January 1st, 2011 at 12:12 am

    Technically he just wished that his year sucked, not necessarily bad health, but I find that most of the crumbums complaining about the yankees are like to have a bad 2011 more than those taking a positive outlook.

  203. SAS January 1st, 2011 at 12:14 am

    HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!!!

    HAPPY NEW YEAR CHAD AND SAM!!!!

  204. Carlo January 1st, 2011 at 12:16 am

    Sas- where the heck did I wish anyone bad health? Are u crazy? GB treats me lousy everyday so I give it back to him…..how u interpret me wishing him bad health is ur own issue.

  205. Carlo January 1st, 2011 at 12:18 am

    If that yankees do well, I doubt there is a difference between the years had by positive outlookers and those who are more pessimistic.

  206. tyanksfan36 January 1st, 2011 at 12:47 am

    Happy New Year Lohudders! Only 2 months til spring training!

  207. Jerkface January 1st, 2011 at 1:09 am

    If that yankees do well, I doubt there is a difference between the years had by positive outlookers and those who are more pessimistic.

    Gloom and doomers are never happy. The yankees could be 10 games up at the break and the usual suspects will be in here crowing about how the yankees need this or that for the post-season and we’re going to be 1 and done and cashman fails again!

  208. AldotheApache January 1st, 2011 at 1:15 am

    And those same gloom and doomers are the first ones to jump on the bandwagon when the Yankees win.

  209. SAS January 1st, 2011 at 1:19 am

    Some people just forget to count their blessings including those of having the Yankees as their team.

  210. mick January 1st, 2011 at 1:36 am

    it’s amazing how alienated yankee fans are from one another

  211. AldotheApache January 1st, 2011 at 1:51 am

    mick, it’s not about being Yankees fans. It’s about perspective.

    I mean, what’s the point of doing something if you’re unable to enjoy it?

    I just don’t get it.

    But that’s not all … while being miserable, why don’t you make sure to share it?

  212. Pat M. January 1st, 2011 at 2:10 am

    Mick….That’s Tinkerbell with the to-to…..And she was one little hot toots who played her tonight……By the way, what’s it like in the future year 2011 ???/ We’re still stuck in the year 2010 ….

  213. Rich in NJ January 1st, 2011 at 2:21 am

    Happy New Year to everyone.

  214. Vineyard Yankee January 1st, 2011 at 2:36 am

    Happy New Year to all you LoHuders ! May 2011 be healthy and happy for all.

  215. Patrick January 1st, 2011 at 3:00 am

    Happy new year Yankee fans! Lets hope pettitte re-signs in the new year. Its a good thing this blog has no rules against posting while drunk…

  216. yanks61 January 1st, 2011 at 3:38 am

    Happy New Year Lohud Yankee Fans!

    On this day in 1974, Yankee fans woke to headlines in all the New York Newspapers announcing the signing of one James “Catfish” Hunter.

    While Yankee fans were deliriously happy, no one realized it then, but the Bronx Zoo had been born.

    Within a few years the Yanks had won a pennant. Reggie Jackson was then added to a team that had been transformed mostly by trades – Greg Nettles, Sparky Lyle, Mickey Rivers, Chris Chambliss, Ed Figuroa, Mike Torrez, Lou Pinella, Willie Randolph, Goose Gossage (FA) and Bucky Dent, among others, had been added to a team that included just a few home grown Yankees such as Thurman Munson, Roy White and Ron Guidry.

    When the Yanks won the WS in 1977, does anyone know if that championship team won with the fewest homegrown players in history? Perhaps the Yanks of the 1920s’ decade had still fewer?

    Well, in the next few years, I for one, will look forward to more championships won with more homegrown players. The present farm system is a real source of strength and I think it will continue to improve as the team puts more and more emphasis on scouting and signing young talent. GS and the Yanks almost singlehandedly launched the FA revolution in the 70s.

    The direction of BB is changing once again and the challenge now is to have a strong mL system that produces future stars for the team and “excess” ML quality players that can be used to trade for areas where the system is weak.

    Stay the course, Yankee fans! Patience and fortitude! The 70′s Yankees weren’t built in a single day (or year.) Better to suffer for a year (or even two) then rashly rush into ill-advised trades. The team coming together in the next few years will be a strong yearly contender.

  217. 86w183 January 1st, 2011 at 8:04 am

    Reserves George Zeber (25g) and Dell Alston (22g) were homegrown Yanks in 1977.

    So too were pitchers Ken Clay (21g, 3 starts) and Gil Patterson (10g, 6 starts)

    Not a lot of home grown players on that roster

  218. 86w183 January 1st, 2011 at 8:09 am

    Now compare that with homegrown talent on the 2009 WS Champs

    Jeter, Cano, Posada, Cervelli, Gardner and Pena

    Pettite, Rivera, Chamberlain, Hughes, Coke, Robertson, Wang and Melancon

    and, technically you could count Matsui and Aceves

  219. Chuck58 January 1st, 2011 at 8:16 am

    86, don’t forget the Captain! Thurm was drafted by the Yanks and played his entire career in the organization.

    Happy New Year everyone!
    :-)

  220. Chuck58 January 1st, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Also, immortal infielder Mickey Klutts :-)

  221. joeman January 1st, 2011 at 8:31 am

    went to ST a lot in the 70′s when they were Fort Lauderdale…that was some cast of players in those years …..in their spare time a lot of them were either at the Racetrack or in the Banana Boat ….got to meet quite a few of them, my favorite was Roy White

  222. 86w183 January 1st, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Chuck58 —

    I was responding to yanks61 whose post already identified Roy White, Thurman Munson and Ron Guidry as homegrown talent on the ’77 team. Would never “forget” Thurman…. perhaps the only All-Star Yankee ever who lobbied for a trade to the Cleveland Indians.

  223. tyanksfan36 January 1st, 2011 at 8:59 am

    86w183 says:

    January 1, 2011 at 8:09 am

    Now compare that with homegrown talent on the 2009 WS Champs

    Jeter, Cano, Posada, Cervelli, Gardner and Pena

    Pettite, Rivera, Chamberlain, Hughes, Coke, Robertson, Wang and Melancon

    and, technically you could count Matsui and Aceves

    —–
    Also Melky

    It bothers me when people say that we bought the 2009 championships. In reality we only added 3 players that offseason and as they were key in us winning we couldn’t have done it without the homegrown talent. Also, we had Rodriguez since 2004 and Damon since 2005 and while they weren’t homegrown they had been around long enough that their new impact player status was gone. I’m glad the 2009 WS featured so much homegrown talent and I’m confident that we can win again with the guys we have coming up the next few years.

  224. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2011 at 9:02 am

    This guy is either totally nuts or has confused 1 January with 1 april.

    Laugh, cry or throw up. Your choice.

    http://www.nesn.com/2011/01/20.....story.html

  225. austinmac January 1st, 2011 at 9:04 am

    I am unbothered by comments about buying a pennant or that the team is not home grown. Once the players put on the uniform they are all Yankees. I have always defended the teams willingness to pay for the benefit of their fans. Why feel apologetic about that?

    I hope that philosophy continues.

  226. upstate kate January 1st, 2011 at 9:09 am

    good morning all, and best wishes for a healthy and happy new year

    GB- I have to go w/ laugh. I forget, who “won” the off season last year? Oh wait…wasn’t it the Mariners? How did that work out?

  227. austinmac January 1st, 2011 at 9:09 am

    GB,

    I believe I will choose the throwing up option as my response to the article. While I believe they have improved, they might want to play a few games before they are anointed. Very silly.

  228. J. Alfred Prufrock January 1st, 2011 at 9:11 am

    GB,I read the headline and that was enough for me.I laughed.

  229. tyanksfan36 January 1st, 2011 at 9:12 am

    Austinmac

    Well I deal with it in person often from Rays “fans” as soon as I tell them I like the Yankees. Its easier to ignore online comments and articles but when people say it to my face its harder to ignore. They don’t listen either. I can rattle off names of the homegrown talent but they bring up how we can afford to keep them where other teams can’t so we still buy it because we can afford to keep the homegrowns that are good when they need a big payraise. The championship still feels great even if we buy it.

  230. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2011 at 9:13 am

    I wonder how long Eric Ortiz’ writing career will last after that completely unbiased article? Ya’ll are right. These stories need to be put on hold until Boston wins their first game of Spring Training.

  231. blake January 1st, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Happy new year everyone!

  232. AldotheApache January 1st, 2011 at 9:20 am

    GB, funny stuff.

    The bench? “… lions waiting to hunt …”???

    Unseat the 1927 Yankees as the greatest team ever?

    ST hasn’t yet started but they’re already making a run for most victories ever?

    Rich stuff! Glad he likes his team. Nothing wrong
    with that.

    We can expect more of the same soon enough from espn.com aka red sox nation. This guy just beat them to it.

    Congratulations to the red sox on winning the Off-Season World Championship, succeeding the 2010 Mariners. Enjoy!

  233. Doreen January 1st, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Good morning and Happy New Year to all!

    GB7 -

    I’ll go with ignorance. :)

    The Red Sox did improve, but they needed to improve. Also, the moves they made were not a surprise to anyone. I think most had anticipated them getting Adrian Gonzalez since Tex came over to the Yankees, and most figured they’d get one of Jason Werth/Carl Crawford. I thought it would be Werth, but he surprised everyone by going to the Nationals. They still have the same starting pitchers as last year. Lester is an ace; Buchholz had a great 2010 and, like many say about Hughes, he’s good but needs to repeat a good year; the next three are all subject to iffiness, if you know what I mean. They added Jenks and that’s good for them, if only because you can never have enough bullpen depth.

    But the bottom line for both the Yankees and the Red Sox, is they need “back of the baseball card” years. If they get that, the season is a good one; if not, it’s a lot tougher.

    There is nothing different about this year than most in recent history – the Red Sox and the Yankees will be fighting it out.

  234. jpb173 January 1st, 2011 at 9:27 am

    This guy is either totally nuts or has confused 1 January with 1 april.

    Laugh, cry or throw up. Your choice.

    http://www.nesn.com/2011/01/20…..story.html

    ============================================

    GB7, Before Red Sox fans go crazy over their team they have to recognize that ANY TEAM IN MLB is going to have a tough time beating the Philadelphia Phillies in the Playoffs/World Series. A pitching staff of Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels and Roy Oswalt could be unstoppable. The only area the Phillies should have a concern is the bullpen. If Brad Lidge pitches like he did in 2008 they will be dominant. If he pitches like he did in 2009 it could be a different story.

    AL East fans need to begin to realize that the Baltimore Orioles will be greatly improved this year. They have added Mark Reynolds at third base and Derek Lee at first base to plug two huge holes. They need to spend a few more buck$ to strengthen their bullpen…if they do they will be able to contend.

  235. 86w183 January 1st, 2011 at 9:34 am

    The Sawx had two starters with ERA better than 4.40. Papelbon was 3.90 which is astronomical for a closer. Yet they have elite pitching?

    Who knows how effective and motivated Jenks will be as the most expensive 7th inning guy in baseball history?

    Gonzalez and Crawford are excellent additions, but the guys they lost — Martinez and Beltre were pretty damn good.

    Apparently the universal mindset is that all the Sawx will bounce back and be healthy, great players once again and all the Yankees are just getting older.

    As for arguing over “buying” players/pennants — ask the ignoramuses where the money comes from. The Yankees have the most money because they have the most fans who support their radio and TV sponsors and purchase high priced tickets and concessions.

    To its credit, ownership continually reinvests in the product.

    If the Rays don’t like the system they can always reject the revenue sharing check they get each year. The Yanks contribute more to revenue sharing (as well as luxury taxes) than any other team.

  236. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Doreen, the whole article was hysterical, but, the Matsuzaka remark about him being the best #5 starter ever was the best…along with Youkilis being the possible MVP candidate. No doubt that Boston has improved, but, how much is up for debate. The rotation hasn’t improved, but, like the Yankees, will depend on rebounds and health. I’m not sure that the bullpen has improved as much as it has just changed faces. The idea that they have three potential closers may be good, or, it could cause a lot of issues and create tension in the pen. Curt Young may be a very good pitching coach, but, comparing the Sox rotation to the young Oakland staff is beyond silly.

  237. 86w183 January 1st, 2011 at 9:35 am

    The Orioles are not going to contend with that pitching staff. No way. Unless you mean contend for 5th place in the AL East.

  238. Doreen January 1st, 2011 at 9:39 am

    GB7 -

    I guess one must chalk it up to the euphoria that comes with a clean slate of a new season. Every fan of every team is entitled to it. Red Sox fans certainly have cause to be optimistic. But as you and others have said, the season is not won/lost in the months from November to March.

    I just think it stinks that we NY Yankees fans rarely get to revel in that same euphoria because there’s always a LOCAL media and certainly even some hometown fans that shoot down the hope/optimism.

  239. Fran the original January 1st, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Good morning. Want to wish you all a happy new year!

  240. Dionysius Thelxinoe January 1st, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Howdy folks!

    I live in Florida. I can safely say that the Tampa management is ecstatic when the Yankees roll into town since their stadium fills up.

    Wasn’t it Longoria himself who was wondering where all tier fans were last year, in the middle of a pennant race?

    If it wasn’t for the revenue generated by teams like the Yankees, teams like Tampa wouldn’t even exist.

  241. Dionysius Thelxinoe January 1st, 2011 at 9:51 am

    86w183, that Orioles pitching staff looked pretty good after Buck Showalter took over.

  242. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Doreen, I have no idea of how well the Yankee hitters or burnett/Chamberlain will rebound, but, I’m guessing that about half of the hitters will and the others will stay about even. Burnett, I can only imagine that his confidense took a hit at some time last year, because he started the season like he was gunning for the Cy Young. He talks glowingly about how much Eiland helped him, but, he never has bad things to say anything bad about anybody except himself…at least publicly. My money is on Burnett coming close to 2008 than 2010. Chamberlain is a complete mystery. Hughes, I think just ran out of gas. He hadn’t pitched 100 innings since 2006.

    As you said, nobody knows what anybody on any team will do. All anybody can do is hope for the best. I’ll have concerns the last day of the season if NYYs are 2 games out with one day left. I’ll still enjoy watching the team play, and feel confident that they will do the best that they can. That’s all I have control over…my own enjoyment and satisfaction. I only get upset when there is a complete lack of effort.

  243. Bronx Jeers January 1st, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Bartolo Colon? What’s that a poormans Zambrano?

    Arod will probably be upset if they sign him as he won’t be able to tee off on him anymore.

  244. Dionysius Thelxinoe January 1st, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Doreen, personally I don’t put much stock in those Yankees fans who are pessimistic.

    Whenever the Yankees don’t sign the biggest FA’s available, it dooms the season in their eyes.

    History shows it doesn’t work that way. Plus, if loyalty is connected to dollars spent, well, that’s not much loyalty in my book.

  245. BIG AL January 1st, 2011 at 10:03 am

    GB7 -

    Good morning and Happy New Year. Thanks for the link, it’s always great to start the new year with a laugh.

    I’m a bit confused, which of the Red Sox are Babe Ruth (.356 – 60 HR) and Lou Gehrig (.373 – 47 HR) of the ’27 Yankees?

  246. YankeesNmore January 1st, 2011 at 10:06 am

    QUOTING ALDO: “And those same gloom and doomers are the first ones to jump on the bandwagon when the Yankees win.”
    ————————————————————-
    That’s because we’re Yankees fans, retard. If you can’t recognize the passion (whether or not you agree with the sentiment) driving what most of us are saying, you’re as blind as Stevie Wonder.

    Just because one chooses not to be a Kool-Aid guzzling cheerleader 24/7 doesn’t make that person less of a fan. In fact, I could make a strong argument for the opposite being true.

  247. metalhoops January 1st, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Kei Igawa

    when does he come off the books?

    Is he the biggest signing disaster in Yankee history?

    Or is he the #5 starter this year?!?!

    Wow!

  248. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2011 at 10:09 am

    AL, one can only assume that Pedroia’s “Laser Show” offense will make him Lou Gehrig and Gonzalez is Ruth. Figuring out who the rest are will be a little easier.

  249. Dionysius Thelxinoe January 1st, 2011 at 10:13 am

    YankeesNmore, sad to see you starting the new year with those unkind remarks. For whatever it’s worth, you damage whatever credibility you had by personlizing and attacking others.

    And it damages the quality of the blog.

  250. BIG AL January 1st, 2011 at 10:14 am

    GB7 -

    Thanks for clearing that up, now when I keep score, I’ll have a better image in my mind who they really are.

    “Laser Show” I must have missed that the first time around. I promise to pay closer attention in 2011.

    How things down by you? Did “Killer” get to go out on the town with all his lady friends last night, or was it a stay at home and rob your pizza night?

  251. J. Alfred Prufrock January 1st, 2011 at 10:16 am

    the Matsuzaka remark about him being the best #5 starter ever was the be

    //////

    I think that’s a typo.he meant to say: Matsuzaka is one of the best at not getting out of the 5th inning.
    the commenter lauding the Phillies staff,yea on the surface but how many times did media,fans,etc say we had no chance against those Maddux-Smoltz-Glavine triumvirate 90s braves teams?plus that’s a kind of old staff.there was a lot of internet chirping about how halladay would age well,to the pt of commenters claiming he simply projected no injury risks as an older pitcher,& therefore worth trading montero for.well doc will be 34 in may,and halladay needed just his first postseason to get hurt.his no-no was followed by pitching injured in the NLCS in which he coughed up 6 runs. u saw that lee,who’s what? 32?looked like a lefthanded Mussina in a twiight yr against the giants in the WS.those two guys are great pitchers,yea,but they’re both a yr older.deep staff tho,when hamels & oswalt are your 3-4 guys.still,I’d rather have giants’ young guns over Philly,led by TL.I think that staff,if they can hang together & not get hurt,is no one yr wonder.

  252. BIG AL January 1st, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Dionysius Thelxinoe January 1st, 2011 at 10:13 am
    YankeesNmore, sad to see you starting the new year with those unkind remarks. For whatever it’s worth, you damage whatever credibility you had by personlizing and attacking others.

    And it damages the quality of the blog.

    ***********************************************

    Well said. My wish for the new year is more folks on this blog would think more like yourself.

  253. mick January 1st, 2011 at 10:17 am

    That article looks like it was written by a high schooler, or at least in the middle of a drunken stupor New Year’s night.
    On paper it looks a lot like last year’s team, the starting pitching with Beckett as their #2 is inaccurate. The relief staff will depend on Wheeler and Jenks with Okajima back after an awful ’10.
    But , hey, they are the offseason champs so who am I to argue.

  254. Yankee Trader January 1st, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Happy and Healthy New Year to all my LoHud friends, family and staff.

    GB&7-
    The Red Sox team isn’t even close in talent to the “61″ Yanks with Mantle and Maris.

    Doreen-
    What SUV did you finally settle on?

  255. Yankee Trader January 1st, 2011 at 10:21 am

    1961 Yankee Stats:

    http://www.baseball-reference......1961.shtml

  256. AldotheApache January 1st, 2011 at 10:21 am

    YankeesNmore says:
    January 1, 2011 at 10:06 am
    QUOTING ALDO: “And those same gloom and doomers are the first ones to jump on the bandwagon when the Yankees win.”
    ————————————————————-
    That’s because we’re Yankees fans, retard.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    YankeesNmore = West Coast Nancy

    New year, same response.

    I am not interested in engaging you in any discourse whatsoever, regardless of what name you use.

    Take your nonsense elsewhere.

    Have respect for this blog and stick to the Yankees, baseball, and sports.

  257. mick January 1st, 2011 at 10:25 am

    This is a major comeback year for the rs. Their popularity has fallen as they have experienced some success in recent years but their fans have fallen into the “Yankee syndrome” of expecting a World Series each and every season with anything less a failure.

    Theo , no doubt, is trying to land the “names” that are out there but Crawford and Agon must show they are worth the money being paid.

    That staff was iffy last season, why should this one be any different.

    The remark about the ’27 Yankees was just thrown in to tweak Yankee fans.

    They are setting themselves up for major disappointment.

  258. YankeesNmore January 1st, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Dionysius. With all due respect, why does nobody take issue with those who label us “doom and gloomers”? Or all the backhanded insults about how “miserable our lives must be”?

    Is that not “personalizing and attacking others”?

    And spare me the “credibility” crap. The day I give a rat’s @$$ about how much “credibilty” some stranger on a message board believes I have is the day my life has lost all meaning.

    As is nearly always the case, credibility on public message boards depends almost entirely on whether or not the person is telling you what you wish to hear.

  259. BIG AL January 1st, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Yankee Trader January 1st, 2011 at 10:21 am
    1961 Yankee Stats:

    ***************************************************
    Those that are too young to remember, or don’t follow the history of their team, can’t crasp just how great the ’61 Yankees were.

    When you look at Mantle in particular, his stats were off the wall, a $30M player by todays standards, but Mick got what, a $100K. What a difference a day makes.

  260. randy l. January 1st, 2011 at 10:30 am

    “I am unbothered by comments about buying a pennant or that the team is not home grown. Once the players put on the uniform they are all Yankees. I have always defended the teams willingness to pay for the benefit of their fans. Why feel apologetic about that?”

    austinmac-

    the problem is that a home grown pitching staff can actually be better for a fraction of the cost.

    the yanks paid approximately $64 million for their starting pitching staff.
    they got 973 innings with an ERA of 4.35

    here’s the problem:

    the twins paid approximately $13.7 million for their starting staff.
    they got 995 innings with an ERA of 4.17

    if the yankees paid 5 times as much and got even a half a run better ERA than the twins the maybe it’d be worth it.

    but the yankees bought a higher ERA and paid 5 times as much.

    doreen went to look to buy a car yesterday.

    if she had a chance to buy two cars and one was slightly better than another car wouldn’t cost be a factor in her decision ?

    which one would she buy? the better performing car that cost $25 thousand or the less performing car that cost $125,000.

    call me crazy, but i’m thinking doreen buys the one that cost $25 thousand.

    oh, the yankees got approx. 347 homegrown starter innings.
    the twins got approx 762 home grown starter innings

    the yankees as an organization are making the choice to buy the “car” that costs 125 thousand .

    my conclusion is that doreen is a better buyer than the yankees :)

  261. J. Alfred Prufrock January 1st, 2011 at 10:30 am

    mick January 1st, 2011 at 10:17 am
    That article looks like it was written by a high schooler, or at least in the middle of a drunken stupor New Year’s night.
    On paper it looks a lot like last year’s team, the starting pitching with Beckett as their #2 is inaccurate.

    ////
    the mere fact that most consider Buccholz as the Sox’s number 2 should raise a red flag all by itself.this guy has 1 good yr,with not so hot K/BB and low K rates in general,& he’s some automatic legit number 2???talk about making leaping assumptions!

  262. Doreen January 1st, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Yankee Trader -

    We went to Volkswagen, Acura and Honda yesterday. I love the Tiguan, but they didn’t have the color I wanted in stock and I have to decide about the exact configuration of the car – AWD vs FWD, SE model (no leather) vs. SEL model (do I really need keyless ignition?). They can order what I want, or see if it’s available elsewhere, and they’ll hold the price they gave us yesterday, though not necessarily the financing deal (not a biggie).

    Honda was so crowded yesterday it felt like a Wal-Mart, and they didn’t have a CR-V on the floor to even look at or sit in, so we need to go back on Monday.

    Acura had the RDX in the showroom and it was simply too big. I already drive an MDX and the RDX is not enough of a different vehicle to warrant the cost. It’s a gorgeous car, though.

    I want a small SUV, so the pickings are really between the Tiguan and the CR-V. All the others are offer only a slight decrease in size from what I already have.

    I need to see the CR-V, but I’m really leaning toward the Tiguan.

  263. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2011 at 10:32 am

    BIG AL January 1st, 2011 at 10:14 am
    GB7 -

    Thanks for clearing that up, now when I keep score, I’ll have a better image in my mind who they really are.

    “Laser Show” I must have missed that the first time around. I promise to pay closer attention in 2011.

    How things down by you? Did “Killer” get to go out on the town with all his lady friends last night, or was it a stay at home and rob your pizza night?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    aL, “Killer” came staggering in about an hour ago. He’s a mess. Laying on his back, snoring and breaking wind. I’m about to kick him out if he doesn’t go get a job. Not much call for a watchdog that sleeps on the job, though. An obedience school dropout with no future.

  264. YankeesNmore January 1st, 2011 at 10:32 am

    QUOTING ALDO: “Have respect for this blog and stick to the Yankees, baseball, and sports.”
    —————————————————–
    You mean like you just did? When you decided to use this blog to project your opinion about the behavior of some who post here?

    Does your hypocrisy know any bounds?

  265. Cashman needs to go January 1st, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Wow Bartolo Colon, is this what this offseason has deteriorated to? The stuff in my toilet that was just flushed has a better chance at winning the WS this year than the stuff this dope of a GM has signed this offseason. At this rate can Sidney Ponson part III be far behind?

  266. JCPD January 1st, 2011 at 10:33 am

    AL, here’s something to take your mind off the slow off season for a while…… something to warm your soul from Christmas Day

    http://picasaweb.google.com/10.....KSDlcCUUw#

  267. mick January 1st, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Calling Beckett the #2 is an insult to Buccholz.
    It’s an incredible article in that it lacks credibility.

  268. J. Alfred Prufrock January 1st, 2011 at 10:35 am

    yanks might have a better version of Melky Mesa in Ravel Santana (headed for GCL),18 yr old OF with what newman calls a “plus,plus.plus” arm.he walks & hits for avg with power and can run.

    one to watch.

  269. BIG AL January 1st, 2011 at 10:35 am

    randy l. -

    Happy New Year. I see you still got that tiger by the tail.

    Tell me, are you laughing every time you post those stats?

    I could be wrong, but, I feel strongly the Yankees will bring up enough top of the rotation pitchers, to remain in contention for quite of few years, in the very near future.

  270. Cashman needs to go January 1st, 2011 at 10:35 am

    The offseason of “Atta Baby” just keeps getting better!!

  271. Yankee Trader January 1st, 2011 at 10:36 am

    BIG AL-

    Johnny Blanchard a part-time catcher had 21 homers in only 243 AB’s.
    That 1961 pitching staff had a 3.46 ERA and 47 CG’s led by Ford and Terry.

  272. Ruby Tuesday January 1st, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Prediction One :

    – Their R*d S*x will go 111-051 in 2011
    – Our Yankees will go 083-079 in 2011

  273. BIG AL January 1st, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Back in a bit.

    JCPD – I’ll look shortly.

  274. randy l. January 1st, 2011 at 10:40 am

    another fun fact is that the twins paid 6.7 million for 762 starter innings .

    they did pay pavavno another 7 million for 221 innings.

    think about this:

    762 innings is four starters. these starters had an approx era of 4.25 .
    all for $6.7 million

  275. Yankee Trader January 1st, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Doreen-

    I’d be interested in what smaller SUV’s you researched and crossed off the list. Audi Q5? I believe Volkswagon give free maintenance during the warrantied years. I have an MDX and Have driven the RDX which drinks more fuel than the MDX.

  276. J. Alfred Prufrock January 1st, 2011 at 10:40 am

    mick January 1st, 2011 at 10:34 am
    Calling Beckett the #2 is an insult to Buccholz.
    It’s an incredible article in that it lacks credibility.

    ////I would say rather that Buccholz having number 2 status shows how far Beckett has fallen (despite what the guy in the article says about Beckett being a 2),not how great Buccholz is.Buccholz guarantees nothing as a number 2.

    anyhow,the iffy Beckett and the unseasoned Buccholz show just how shaky that rotation may be.but meanwhile writers are predicting legendary greatness for the Sox 2011 team?unreal.

  277. Rich in NJ January 1st, 2011 at 10:43 am

    That NESN “writer” that GB linked to either did a little too much celebrating last night, or maybe not enough.

  278. randy l. January 1st, 2011 at 10:45 am

    “Tell me, are you laughing every time you post those stats?”

    big al-

    let me put it this way.

    i know in this debate, i have a winning hand if i just keep it on point and not let nerdy people confuse the issue with clever smoke and off topic minutia .

    so yeah , im smiling :)

  279. blake January 1st, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Let the the Red Sox fans think they are the 27 Yankees…..the disappointment will be fun when they discover they aren’t. That team has the potential to be really good…..it also has real risk of falling flat on its face like it did last year. Sky high expectations aren’t always the best thing….

  280. clownthrowindown January 1st, 2011 at 10:52 am

    the mere fact that most consider Buccholz as the Sox?s number 2 should raise a red flag all by itself
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………….

    Oh, but there’s no red flag about Hughes being a #2???? Especially after his ALCS?

  281. mick January 1st, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Hughes ideally should not be the #2. AJ was signed as the #2 and he must pitch like one for us to have a chance. Andy should be the #3 with Hughes as #4.

  282. Yankee Trader January 1st, 2011 at 10:54 am

    2011 Red Sox

    I know “Who’s” on 1st and “What’s” on 2nd but I can’t figure out “Who’s” at Short, and “What’s” at Catcher, and “I Don’t Know” Who or What’s in their Outfield!!!!

  283. Doreen January 1st, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Randy l -

    I really think the Yankees would love to have as many home-growns on their staff as possible. I think the bullpen make-up over the last couple of years is evidence of that.

    I think it is simply more difficult given their yearly directive/objective to make it happen in the starting rotation. But I do think it is their goal overall.

    I agree that a problem with a starting pitcher with a huge contract having a bad year is a worse problem to have than a rookie having a bad year – you won’t hesitate to take the rookie out of the rotation, but it is more difficult to sit a veteran while paying them a gazillion dollars (not to mention the ego issues involved).

    As I said the other day, the proof will be in the next batch.

  284. RhapsodyInBlue January 1st, 2011 at 10:57 am

    I see YankeesNbore didn’t take my advice and wrap his lips around an exhaust pipe for the new year.

  285. YsGuy January 1st, 2011 at 10:58 am

    the twins have done great in developing players, mostly because they had to until they new park opened, and also because in thier division, they could. I would agree that the twins have been better then just about every organization in baseball in developing talent, but as you can read right here on these pages, Yankees fans do not have the patience to put up with developing players.
    case in point, ivan nova. 10 appearances last season and most posters here have totally given up on him. people say the league caught up to him, that he doesnt have th stuff. Nobody seems to accept that he could develop and catch back up on the league, and learn from mistakes and get better. Nobody seems to believe that he could hold down the #5 spot even with the extremly potent offense the Yankees have.
    The Twins would just keep putting him out there and letting him learn and see what happens, but if the Yankees do that, they are rebuilding (which is unacceptable at Yankee prices.)
    Expecting the Yankees to develop a staff of homegrown pitchers with this fan base is unrealistic. Cashman was unable to sign a guy who had no intention of ever coming to NY and a very very expensive OF who we dont need and now half the blog wants Cash fired for it.
    we dont live in Minneapolis.

  286. RhapsodyInBlue January 1st, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Amazing coincidence.

    clownin the toilet, ruby dbag and yankeesNbore always appear at the same moment.

  287. Dionysius Thelxinoe January 1st, 2011 at 11:00 am

    If having an 18 game winner as your #2 is a problem, then we must be in decent shape.

  288. randy l. January 1st, 2011 at 11:03 am

    gb7-

    i think you should have killer trained as an official working dog so you can take him everywhere you go.

    no one is allowed to ask you what the condition the working dog is for?
    think of the possibilities.

  289. BIG AL January 1st, 2011 at 11:04 am

    JCPD -

    Great shots from Syracuse. It makes you feel cold just viewing those pictures, so I imagine you must have been a bit chilly just going out to take them.

    Hope you enjoyed your Christmas, and have a great new year, to go along with the new job.

  290. 86w183 January 1st, 2011 at 11:04 am

    Doreen —-

    FWIW I drive a CR-V. Its a very good, reliable vehicle, but a bit noisy on the highway. I drown it out with XM radio.

    Randy it’s hardly a news bulletin that the Yankees are not the most cost-efficient organization out there. You can imagine the backlash if they tried to be and handed rotation spots to Nova and Noesi at minimum wage with Sanchez joining the bullpen at the same $$$$.

  291. J. Alfred Prufrock January 1st, 2011 at 11:05 am

    blake January 1st, 2011 at 10:47 am
    Let the the Red Sox fans think they are the 27 Yankees….

    ////
    Gotta say I have friends who root for Boston & they’re pretty smart baseball fans.they would scoff at that comparison themselves.whoever wrote that probably represents the lowest bb IQ portion of the baseball fan world,no more,regardless of rooting interest.

  292. have a cigar January 1st, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Ruby hadn’t posted in a few days. I was hoping he was dead.

    Alas, such is not the case.

  293. Doreen January 1st, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Yankee Trader -

    Yes, Volkswagen does have the free maintenance in the warranty period.

    We eliminated a few of the smaller SUVs (like the Audi) because of cost. Anything that CR listed as having visibility issues were eliminated, too (like the Nissan Rogue). I don’t like the styling of the RAV4 (tire on back).

    We really only looked at the RDX because I’ve been very happy with the MDX and the Acura service dept., but we eliminated it within seconds of sitting in it. CR also mentioned the RDX wasn’t enough of a different vehicle from the MDX, and talked about mpg issues, but I think your comment makes the point better. :)

  294. Dionysius Thelxinoe January 1st, 2011 at 11:11 am

    YsGuy, the Twins are a success story, given their budget constraints, no question. But their reality and limits are evident every post season.

    And I believe the Yankees can develop young pitchers. Sure, there’s plenty of complaining going on this winter because Lee went to Philly. But all that complaining will go silent when the Yankees start putting together some wins.

  295. JCPD January 1st, 2011 at 11:11 am

    .whoever wrote that probably represents the lowest bb IQ portion of the baseball fan world,no more,regardless of rooting interest.

    ————————————————————————

    Not to mention that the article was written at 3:41 in the morning………… hmmmmm…….. can you say “New Years Eve imbibement?”

  296. J. Alfred Prufrock January 1st, 2011 at 11:11 am

    mick January 1st, 2011 at 10:54 am
    Hughes ideally should not be the #2. AJ was signed as the #2 and he must pitch like one for us to have a chance. Andy should be the #3 with Hughes as #4.

    /////
    AJ Burnett started and won game 2 of the 2009 WS.yanks would have been down 2 games to none if he hadn’t risen to the occasion.AJ is already in the saddle and working with the new PC.I expect a good season out of AJ Burnett.

  297. Yankee Trader January 1st, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Thanks Doreen. Until later everyone.

  298. JCPD January 1st, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Al, actually the temps weren’t too bad that day, a balmy 30.

  299. BIG AL January 1st, 2011 at 11:13 am

    JCPD -

    Good thing none of us kids were up that late drinking.

  300. J. Alfred Prufrock January 1st, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Dionysius Thelxinoe January 1st, 2011 at 11:11 am
    YsGuy, the Twins are a success story, given their budget constraints, no question. But their reality and limits are evident every post season.

    ////
    Their staff has had even less margin for error without the benefit of Morneau’s bat the last two playoff yrs.u can’t discount how much he might have contributed to their offense.

  301. BIG AL January 1st, 2011 at 11:14 am

    JCPD -

    A “balmy” 30! I remember those days when living up north, when it hit 30, you thought it was spring time.

  302. Dionysius Thelxinoe January 1st, 2011 at 11:18 am

    ////
    Their staff has had even less margin for error without the benefit of Morneau’s bat the last two playoff yrs.u can’t discount how much he might have contributed to their offense.

    —————–

    J Alfred,

    True. But I tend to think that one bat alone is not going to make enough of a difference from from getting swept.

  303. J. Alfred Prufrock January 1st, 2011 at 11:18 am

    I’d also venture to say that Liriano is potentially going to kill it in 2011.he already got in that post-TJS year,and was sittin 93.7 in 2010.He could be a monster for the Twins,and if Morneau & Mauer can enjoy some health,well that could be a transformed team.anyone know what’s up with Miguel Sano’s progress?

  304. JCPD January 1st, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Al, It’s amazing that editors let stuff like that actually make it to print. I have no problem with Sox fans have much optimism for 2011, they should, but there hasn’t even been a single pitch thrown in spring training yet. Obviously I’m a huge Yankee fan, but never in my right mind would I ever consider the 98 Yankees, who won an astounding 114 games better than the 61 Yankees, much less the 27 Yankees. Although I must admit, I don’t quite recall the 27 Yankees. ;-)

  305. Against All Odds January 1st, 2011 at 11:19 am

    # YsGuy January 1st, 2011 at 10:58 am

    the twins have done great in developing players, mostly because they had to until they new park opened, and also because in thier division, they could. I would agree that the twins have been better then just about every organization in baseball in developing talent, but as you can read right here on these pages, Yankees fans do not have the patience to put up with developing players.
    case in point, ivan nova. 10 appearances last season and most posters here have totally given up on him. people say the league caught up to him, that he doesnt have th stuff. Nobody seems to accept that he could develop and catch back up on the league, and learn from mistakes and get better. Nobody seems to believe that he could hold down the #5 spot even with the extremly potent offense the Yankees have.
    The Twins would just keep putting him out there and letting him learn and see what happens, but if the Yankees do that, they are rebuilding (which is unacceptable at Yankee prices.)
    Expecting the Yankees to develop a staff of homegrown pitchers with this fan base is unrealistic. Cashman was unable to sign a guy who had no intention of ever coming to NY and a very very expensive OF who we dont need and now half the blog wants Cash fired for it.
    we dont live in Minneapolis.
    ——————————————-

    You made some good points but does the lack of patience from the fans come from the fact that there are individuals in the organization that lack patience?

  306. J. Alfred Prufrock January 1st, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Dionysius – I don’t think you can go all cavalier on a bat like Morneau’s,esp in light of it twinned (pardon the pun) with Mauer’s.I’m not one to speak in absolutes about results,but u look at how ARod kept coming up with the big hit in 2009 and u can argue that a big bat in a lineup can indeed make a big difference.now pls don’t anticipate i’m comparing morneau with the bat of rodriguez,who is in a very select group of career hitters.but morneau is without a doubt a serious swinger for the minnesota twins & I don’t think it’s overstatement to say a hot Morneau could seriously affect the outcome of a given playoff series.he’s a difference maker when healthy.

  307. BIG AL January 1st, 2011 at 11:24 am

    JCPD -

    Although I must admit, I don’t quite recall the 27 Yankees.

    Me neither, but, we can always ask MTU, he was a season ticket holder back then. Mike told me he once got a hot dog sign by Babe himself, but, when he turned his back, Babe had eaten it.

  308. mick January 1st, 2011 at 11:26 am

    The lack of patience comes from our lineage of WINNING. Plain and simple. This is NY and we are the YANKEES. End of story. We are not a small town team where minor league baseball is King.
    Comes with the territory.

  309. BIG AL January 1st, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Later folks.

  310. mick January 1st, 2011 at 11:35 am

    We are a national target. When we lose, the nation rejoices. Since we expect to win every game we are the Goliath to all Davids. Pretty easy to see, everyone else is the underdog.

  311. randy l. January 1st, 2011 at 11:38 am

    doreen-

    the problem is that the yankees do not end up with better pitching even though they literally spend 5 times as much for it.

    i think people have to slow down their brains and keep it simple when looking at this.

    think about it for a moment.

    they are not getting better starting pitching than the twins yet they spend 5 times as much.

    as i said before , you would not pay $125,000 for a car that does the same thing as your $25,000 car.

    the yankees are doing this.

    they are paying 65 million to do what the twins do for 13 million.

    that’s just dumb.

    now the question is why do they do that?

    the yankees don’t make one choice to do this like in the car purchase analogy.

    they wouldn’t make one choice to do this because it would be obviously a dumb choice.

    they make a complex series of choices that comes out to a result that when reduced back to the singular act of purchasing starting pitching they do pay five ties as much.

    the question is how does that happen.

    i think it’s primarily because the yankees can’t get rid of a bad contract when that pitcher goes bad. they can’t get rid of burnett’s 5.26 era the way that the twins will get rid of blackburns 5.42 era.

    this is simply because burnett is paid 16.5 million blackburn is paid 750 thousand.
    think about it that the yankees never came close to moving aj burnett to the bullpen last year.
    the twins moved blackburn there and replaced him with duensing who had about a three era as a starter.

    you don’t see this kind of move from the yankees when a long time starter goes bad:
    “On July 29, the Twins optioned Blackburn to triple-A Rochester to make room on the active roster for newly acquired closer Matt Capps.[11] He was recalled on August 21, 2010, after Kevin Slowey was placed on the 15-day disabled list with a tricep injury.”

    so blackburn sucked after going about 70 starts with a 4.00 era over 2 and 1/3 years.
    what did the twins do?
    they sent him down and replaced him in the rotation with someone better for the time being.

    they are not throwing blackburn away either. maybe he can get back to the back of his card.
    but if he can’t it’s no big deal. it’s 750 thousand or so released if it comes to that.

    the yankees and red sox get stuck with the burnetts, becketts, matsuzakas, and vazquez’s.

    the twins don’t.

    the yankees are stuck with dead wood.
    the twins clear it out so there is new growth that replaces the old .

    the bottom line is the yankees do no better and spend five times as much with starting pitching.

    i think the yankees should take the extra 50 million they spend on starting pitching and spend it on international starting pitching, american draft signings, increased international and domestic scouts, hire more minor league coaches( pay them more so they get better coaches), and make minor league facilities much closer to mlb facilities.

    none of this money is held against the salary cap and it is much better used.

  312. Dionysius Thelxinoe January 1st, 2011 at 11:39 am

    J Alfred, don’t get me wrong. I’m not dismissing Morneau as a difference maker. I was just stating my own pov.

  313. J. Alfred Prufrock January 1st, 2011 at 11:44 am

    mick – winning consistently means planning ahead,which is what some of the more emotional types don’t get.the overuse of the “prospect hugger” accusation belies that person’s argument about realism and winning.u need in today’s game to have young pitching on tap to occupy your rotations in the coming yrs because the days are gone when you could get near prime guys off other teams,they are locking them up now.u use some assets for trades but u don’t hand over talents like betances & banuelos who could be the core of your rotation for several yrs,when they are a couple of yrs away.having that kind of pitching in your system that u can lock up yrself means WINNING or at the least it means being in a position to win during those guys’ best yrs.giving that future up in the hopes one trade will be the tipping point for a single season is plain shortsighted.that said,LACK of patience is hostile to putting together any kind of “WINNING” tradition.just look at the championship desert around here when we trotted those paper tigers on the field after 2004 until winning again in 2009,when the yanks began invigorating with homegrowns (robertson,JC,Hughes,coke in bp).it’s no coincidence I would say that we got beat in the first round in 2005,2006,2007.(2008 was more about injuries).

  314. tyanksfan36 January 1st, 2011 at 11:44 am

    mick says:

    January 1, 2011 at 11:35 am

    We are a national target. When we lose, the nation rejoices. Since we expect to win every game we are the Goliath to all Davids. Pretty easy to see, everyone else is the underdog.

    —-

    So true! No one rejoices more when we fail and grumbles more when we succeed. It takes a lot to be a Yankee fan but its always worth it.

  315. mick January 1st, 2011 at 11:47 am

    randy

    because the twins are a small market team they have the luxury of being patient. if they get lucky with a FA like Pavano that certainly helps their cause. we always have gone for the quick fix and that’s a crapshoot. not sure the twins should be our role models.

  316. J. Alfred Prufrock January 1st, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Dionysius Thelxinoe January 1st, 2011 at 11:39 am
    J Alfred, don’t get me wrong. I’m not dismissing Morneau as a difference maker. I was just stating my own pov.

    ///

    sure,as we all are.nice chatting with you.
    my wife & I are going hiking shortly,no point in wasting a beautiful day.
    Happy NY & NYY all.

  317. Dionysius Thelxinoe January 1st, 2011 at 11:49 am

    tyanksfan36 says:
    January 1, 2011 at 11:44 am
    mick says:

    January 1, 2011 at 11:35 am

    We are a national target. When we lose, the nation rejoices. Since we expect to win every game we are the Goliath to all Davids. Pretty easy to see, everyone else is the underdog.

    —-

    So true! No one rejoices more when we fail and grumbles more when we succeed. It takes a lot to be a Yankee fan but its always worth it.

    —————-

    Not only that, but many teams measure themselves by how well they play against us, and will always bring their A game. These days, the closest the Mets get to the post season atmosphere is when they play us.

  318. mick January 1st, 2011 at 11:52 am

    it looks like cashman wants to develop young pitching while running with what’s he’s got now but
    you saw when Lee was available how he jumped. if these newbies don’t pan out he will trade them as they have always done. don’t see much of a change here in that they have always overhyped their prospects only to trade them away for proven talent. it’s just the nature of the beast known as the NY Yankees, don’t see it changing much any time soon. if we get lucky with some youth , fine, but they will always go after the big FA.

  319. randy l. January 1st, 2011 at 11:53 am

    doreen-

    i’m also not interested in the twins doing well or not doing well.

    what i want is for the yankees to figure out a better way to do things.

    i’m just using the twins to make my point.

    i’m sure there are other teams doing something similar to what the twins are doing. teams like the a’s.

  320. Dionysius Thelxinoe January 1st, 2011 at 11:53 am

    When we signed CC, AJ, and Tex, many called for changes to the game, led by the RS.

    The Red Sox sign Crawford, and are in the process of signing AGon, and not a peep from anyone.

  321. mick January 1st, 2011 at 11:57 am

    The Red Sox sign Crawford, and are in the process of signing AGon, and not a peep from anyone
    =======================
    Not a peep from the media you mean?
    They are just looking for the next story and if it will sell.
    it’s easy for them to jump on the yank-rs bandwagon, it writes itself.
    who cares about the facts…

  322. randy l. January 1st, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    “because the twins are a small market team they have the luxury of being patient”

    mick-

    i agree that the yankees have the luxury of being more patient in developing their own starting pitchers.

    the conundrum the yankees have is it takes time to have a bunch of starters available in the minors mlb ready every year.

    the yankees would have to make a big investment in international signings and domestic signings and in coaching these guys for 4-5 years before it would pay off.

    but what’s an investment of ten million a year increase in doing this for five year.

    the yankees aren’t doing it as far a i know.

    the fact is the yankees are paying 5 times as much as the twins and not getting better starting pitching.

    that’s just not right.

  323. LGY January 1st, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    A lot of people on this board have said 2011 is going to turn out like 2008 because of the pitching staff. Unfortunately, it seems memory seems to be failing these people as to why 2008 turned out why it did.

    randy is one of the main culprits, but we will give him a pass because of old age ;)

    In 2008, the Yankees starters had an unimpressive 4.58 ERA. That would rank them 9 out of 14 teams. However, let’s put that in context with some other recent successful Yankee teams. The 2010 Yankees who made it to the ALCS and won 95 games had a 4.35 ERA from their starters last year. That put them at 10th in the AL. The 2009 WS Champion NYY had a 4.48 ERA from their starters good for 5th in the AL.

    Well, then you say but the Yankees go no length in 2008 so it burnt out the bullpen. The Yankees indeed got no length in 2008. Their starters averaged a little less than 5 2/3 innings per start and pitched the 3rd least amount of innings in the AL. BUT, the Yankees bullpen had a 3.79 ERA in 2008 good for 5th in the AL. 3.79 ERA. Not bad at all.

    So, what we have here based solely on ERA is that the 2008 Yankees staff was lower tier in the AL, actually better than the 2010 Yankee staff in ranking and on the same playing field as the 2009 staff in pure runs. The 2008 staff didn’t give them length, but the bullpen stayed strong.

    But, what if we dig a little deeper?

    The Yankees starters in 2008 had a 4.05 FIP and 4.23 xFIP both good for 3rd in the AL. So, why such the large discrepancy between FIP and the ERA of this staff?

    Maybe, because the Yankees defense accumulated a -42.1 Team UZR. 3rd worst in the AL. Also, the starters had a .323 BABIP. 2nd most in the AL.

    Pitching was an issue in 2008. It wasn’t the main issue or as doom and gloom upon further review. I’ll let this soak in and post the REAL issue from the 2008 team :)

  324. mick January 1st, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    i agree that the yankees have the luxury of being more patient in developing their own starting pitchers.
    ================================
    randy
    i guess you meant to say the Twins have the luxury but something is wrong with Yankee scouts who advise Cashman. How could someone like Burnett be considered Yankee material? Kevin Brown, Randy Johnson….these are just names. Even Lee could have been a monumental bust. Temperment of playing in this high pressure market doesn’t seem to matter. Cash isn’t a fan who watches the tv to follow these FA’s, is he? Sometimes I wonder.

  325. Laurenfrances January 1st, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    To say Yankee fans lack patience in developing home grown talent is not exactly accurate. We have watched Wang and Hughes developed into fine competent pitchers as Cano is turned into a first rate second baseman. Frustrations comes when a talented player is viewed uninspired as Joba frustrated many with his inconsistencies. Yankees need to get younger. Chasing after FAs with way too long a contract is not a good thing. We have also seen teams attempting to bleed the Yankees with trades over the years. Yankees need to develop players and fill in the rest with key acquisitions. For this Yankee fans, I don’t need a super star in every position. Developing one pitcher at a time is the way to go. Having three rookies in the starting rotation as in Hughes, Joba and Kennedy was a disaster.

  326. LGY January 1st, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    I wonder if randy noticed that in 2009 the Twins had a 4.50 Team ERA which ranks them 11 out of 14 in the AL?

    Or if he noticed that in 2010 the Yankees traded for a player who had finished 4th in the Cy Young voting, that just months later inexplicably lost his fastball and became completely ineffective?

    Or that Burnett’s overall numbers were very consistent from 2004 to 2009 and then in 2010 just completely imploded?

  327. LGY January 1st, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    ERA+ 2004-2010 Burnett

    112
    116
    115
    119
    104
    114
    Plummets to 81

    The Yankees thought they were signing a pitcher who had performed at a certain level, but was injury prone. Burnett has stayed completely healthy so far, but his performance plummeted in 2010 which are the big surprises.

  328. Doreen January 1st, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Randy l -

    I have to run, but I agree in concept. International right now is where they need to concentrate because they are at a disadvantage in the American draft. If they are not already doing so, they need to increase scouting of American talent to identify those pitchers that are not so obvious.

    But, there will always be more assumption of risk where the Yankees are concerned, because the healthy guys will always go first and not to them (assuming they continue to be a high-win, playoff-bound team).

    It’s a behind the scenes approach, though, and the results won’t be obvious right away.

  329. randy l. January 1st, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    “Pitching was an issue in 2008. It wasn’t the main issue or as doom and gloom upon further review. I’ll let this soak in and post the REAL issue from the 2008 team”

    lgy-

    they didn’t hit for crap in 2008.

    but thanks for giving us that teaser :)

  330. randy l. January 1st, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    so lgy, do you pay 125 thousand for a 25 thousand dollar car?

  331. Dionysius Thelxinoe January 1st, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    mick says:
    January 1, 2011 at 11:57 am
    The Red Sox sign Crawford, and are in the process of signing AGon, and not a peep from anyone
    =======================
    Not a peep from the media you mean?
    They are just looking for the next story and if it will sell.
    it’s easy for them to jump on the yank-rs bandwagon, it writes itself.
    who cares about the facts…

    ————

    Mick, you’re right. But if memory serves, the “outrage” at the Yankees signings and the call for changes actually came from baseball execs.

  332. LGY January 1st, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    “they didn’t hit for crap in 2008.”

    ——————

    You are correct, for once, randy!

    The New York Yankees scored 789 runs in 2008. 7 out of 14 in the AL.

    The Bronx Bombers had a middle of the road offense in 2008!

    If you want to talk about 2008, stop talking about the pitching. It was the hitting that really did them in.

  333. mick January 1st, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    do you pay 125 thousand for a 25 thousand dollar car?
    =====================================
    twins buy 5 for 125k, yanks blow it on one but do the twins have a sabathia on their staff?
    teams that can afford to look for the aces, fact of life.

  334. Crawdaddy January 1st, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    “To say Yankee fans lack patience in developing home grown talent is not exactly accurate. We have watched Wang and Hughes developed into fine competent pitchers as Cano is turned into a first rate second baseman.”

    They do lack patience as many of them wanted to trade Cano just a few years ago. Secondly, Yankee fans are cool with young players as long as they performed well, but as soon as they hit a speed bump in their development they want to ship that player back to Scranton or trade him.

  335. mick January 1st, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    aren’t we talking human nature here?
    if you are used to winning , how do you have patience for losing?
    i think they have patience when players are tested at the minor league level but not in the majors and that goes for most teams.

  336. Crawdaddy January 1st, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    The problem I have with Randy is he’s still judging the Yankees on how they develop pitching because of Hughes, Wang and Joba.

    I’m going to see if they learned from those prior mistakes with the next current group of pitching prospects.

  337. Crawdaddy January 1st, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    “aren’t we talking human nature here?
    if you are used to winning , how do you have patience for losing?”

    Because history has taught us in the free agent era, you can’t win all the time and that sooner or later, you have to take a step back to go two steps forward.

  338. Doreen January 1st, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    In 2008 the Yankees suffered 3 devastating injuries: Wang, Posada and Matsui.

    I think you can’t discuss that team’s shortcomings without including that reference.

    Hughes/Joba/IPK were a “first time in a long time” situation and like the first batch of cookies isn’t necessarily going to turn out exactly as you want. However, Hughes is now a fixture in their rotation and IPK is in a ML rotation for Arizona and help to net an excellent outfielder in Granderson. Joba is the one really sour note in that trio. I’d like to know more about what his injury situation was before the Yankees signed him.

    Wang. Sigh. Conservative rehab followed by an “interesting” return and handling in the spring. I can’t help but wonder if there was a communications problem that added to the disaster.

  339. randy l. January 1st, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    “If you want to talk about 2008, stop talking about the pitching. It was the hitting that really did them in.”

    lgy-

    this is a segue to another theme i’m thinking about.

    the yankees seem to be at the top of the league or near the top in hitting every year but usually in the middle of the pack in pitching.

    i haven’t crunched the numbers with my trusty calculator but the yankees do seem to get more bang for their buck with offense.

    they spend a huge amount , but then they actually do lead the league in hitting more often than not.

    in other words an argument can be made i think that the yankees do better when spending money on hitting han they do on pitching.

    perhaps the yankees could develop a hybrid approach where they spend freely on free agents on offense, but invest their money in development with pitching.

    one reason i can see with this is that pitchers have career ending injuries much more than offensive players do.

    so 7 year contacts may make sense for offensive players, but not for pitchers.

  340. randy l. January 1st, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    “Secondly, Yankee fans are cool with young players as long as they performed well, but as soon as they hit a speed bump in their development they want to ship that player back to Scranton or trade him”

    crawdaddy-

    one thing the twins do more than the yankees is send guys up and down more.

    one of the reasons for this is simply they have more players at any given time who have options.

    for example,last year they sent blackburn down in july for a month after a horrible couple f months by him. before that he had over 65 starts of 4.00 era.

    you don’t often if ever see the yankees sending a guy down who’s had 65 starts at a 4.00 rate and
    then who stinks for a time.

    blackburn still had options. the yankee guy usually doesn’t.

  341. Crawdaddy January 1st, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    “one of the reasons for this is simply they have more players at any given time who have options.”

    That shouldn’t be the case any longer.

  342. Laurenfrances January 1st, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    I have no problems with Nova in Yankees pitching rotation if Pettitte returns. Having a pitching rotation with Nova and Mitre or dare I say Colon is not exacting inspiring to Yankee fans. As with Wang, Yankees bought him back before he was actually ready. His history of shoulder injuries lead to Yankees’ concern with retaining him for any extended contracts. Wang gave Yankees a couple of terrific seasons. I wanted to see him in pinstripes for the foreseeable future, unfortunately his health concerns lead him elsewhere.

  343. BoJo January 1st, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Randy–

    Around 2006, I recall Cashman talking on some radio program about changes he wanted to make…which included investing more in Intenational FA signings, and development. He has done that, as evidenced by signings like Aceves, Pena, Montero, Sanchez, Mesa, and many more. He also instructed the US player draft to pursue high ceiling prospects as opposed to the mid-level talent coming out of college ranks. (Players that are ok and closer to big leagues.) So you hope that they do this is already being done.

    Also, I recall Cashman again on a show in 2008 (?) talking about how he needed to re-evaluate the pitching strategy. Having a few Twins-type pitchers (pitch to contact) like Lieber and Wang was ineffective in short series, according to his analysis. Power pitching wins play-offs is what I recall him saying. To that end, he wanted to acquire or develop pitchers like Sabathia and Burnett, and Hughes and Chamberlain. Also, he instructed his player development staff to go after pitchers with power arms and high ceilings like Brackman, Chamberlain, Cole, and Betances.

    The difference in the strategy and the actual results come from the need to bridge where the Yankees were to where Cashman wants to take them. He was willing to pay big dollars for power pitchers (Sabathia and Burnett) and go after aces like Lee when available, and use them as anchors until the prospects fully develop.

    Your entire argument about how the Twins approach is better entirely misses the mark that Cashman is aiming to win World Championships while the Twins are just trying to make the play-offs with consistency, and thus make money.

    Every now and then, the Twins will have a power arm (Liriano for example) that might actually lead them to a WC, but their model is not to spend the money necessary to go for it every year..

  344. BoJo January 1st, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    randy l. January 1st, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    “perhaps the yankees could develop a hybrid approach where they spend freely on free agents on offense, but invest their money in development with pitching.”
    ================
    You are suggesting things that are already underway and have been for three years.

    Why do you think the Yankees have focused signings and drafts on power arms and catchers?

    Everyone will admit that the Yankee farm system is stocked with talent in those areas and a bit weaker in opther positions.

  345. BoJo January 1st, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    Now, if you want to argue that Cashman’s assessment about power arms being the key to winning play-off series is wrong, you can do so. I would agree with Cashman, but could respect an argument that attempts to prove otherwise with real data and analytical support.

  346. joe b January 1st, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    They could use a lefty like Barry Zito.


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