Just a few links on a Monday night
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 03, 2011 
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A handful of links and notes from another fairly quiet day in baseball.
• The Rockies have locked up Carlos Gonzalez with a seven-year extension. That’s pending a physical. Colorado is clearly ready to roll with Gonzalez and Troy Tulowitzki for the better part of the next decade.
• The Rangers made their Brandon Webb and Arthur Rhodes signings official today. They’re also known to be chasing Adrian Beltre, but T.R. Sullivan says team officials “weren’t too optimistic” a deal would be done with the third baseman.
• The Blue Jays have signed Chad Cordero. That’s a minor league deal for the former Nationals closer who’s gone through serious injury problems.
• Turns out Alfredo Simon really was involved in a shooting this weekend, but he says it was an accident. Simon turned himself in today, and his attorneys’ fees will be paid by Miguel Tejada.
• The Mets have signed Chris Capuano and Taylor Buchholz for their pitching staff, but those additions don’t necessarily take them out of the mix for Chris Young or Jeff Francis.
Crawford was a guy I wanted originally (before 2010 season) but the emergence of gardner and the trade for Granderson alleviated the need. And when it became apparent he would cost upwards of 18 million (which I pegged his salary at) I did not want him at that price.
He is a nice player. I don’t hand out 20 mil to nice players.
“cashman took over 5 years ago and so far he’s come up with hughes.”
Is that the same Hughes that was in the 2009 World Series parade, or another one?
Nick in SF – you didn’t get the memo.
Cashman’s job for the past 15yrs has been to sabotage the team. Furthermore, he gets the blame for everything that goes wrong and, surprisingly, does not get to share in the credit for anything that goes right. He was just along for the ride…
At his salary–I’ll take that job description…
I think randy has got to me with the Joba stuff. Originally I wanted to see more out of the BP before revisiting starting, but now think the upside of giving him a chance to compete outweighs any downside of him not having a defined role this offseason
Tragic about Simon, and somewhat analogous to the Nets center from a few years ago who at first denied, and then claimed it was an accident.
I don’t suppose we’ll be seeing him ever again in the majors…too bad.
I’m not influenced by what a handful of posters said
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If randy can convince me of something maybe you should open your mind a bit to other people’s opinion.
There are accidents that result from negligence and those that result from recklessness (like Jayson Williams). The law, at least US law, treats them very differently. I don’t know what happened with Simon, but we should be very careful before lumping them together.
Don’t forget that Cashman did, and I quote, “something big” last winter (His words, not mine) when he traded for Javier Crapzquez.
And as you watch utility man Ed Nunez and pitcher Ivan Nova this year, don’t ever forget that EACH were Cliff Lee deal-breakers as far as Cashman was concerned.
Cashman was willing to deal Montero, but balked at including EITHER Nova or Nunez… Remember that when you watch those two studs perform in 2011…
Of course, given Jeter’s massive contract, you’ll have to look in the dugout to see Nunez. And after the 5th inning, you’ll need shower access to see Nova.
How Cashman still has a job is beyond me.
“And as you watch utility man Ed Nunez and pitcher Ivan Nova this year, don’t ever forget that EACH were Cliff Lee deal-breakers as far as Cashman was concerned.
Cashman was willing to deal Montero, but balked at including EITHER Nova or Nunez… Remember that when you watch those two studs perform in 2011″
Can you provide a link to Cash’s quote that supports this contention?
Rich in NJ January 3rd, 2011 at 10:39 pm
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Fair point…every one deserves a trial to before pronouncement of guilt.
YNM–Your recollection is different than mine. I recall the Seattle GM stalling to get Texas involved and then using the Yankee offer to get the player he wanted above all others. There is no guarantee that Novao rNunez would have closed the deal that I have seen.
LGY January 3rd, 2011 at 10:36 pm
I think randy has got to me with the Joba stuff. Originally I wanted to see more out of the BP before revisiting starting, but now think the upside of giving him a chance to compete outweighs any downside of him not having a defined role this offseason
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Unless there is something going on behind the scenes that is driving this decision. Based on what we know in the public domain – I would agree without reservation that Joba should get another chance to start.
Granted I’m one that tends to give credit/benefit of the doubt to the Yanks (which is not to say I believe them to be infallible or some nonsense). Just seems like they are very short on explanations in a similar way that Diplomats are short on explanations when something is cooking that is not for public consumption.
Speaking of the vastly-overpaid Carl Crawford, apple in Theo’s eye, has anyone seen Bret the Hitman lately?
I was expecting to find $25 waiting in my P.O. Box when I got back home from Mexico, but I found nada.
“Speaking of the vastly-overpaid Carl Crawford, apple in Theo’s eye, has anyone seen Bret the Hitman lately?”
He was traded for a Yankee fan to be named later.
It has been widely reported in every major newspaper that covers the Yankees that the breaking point for Yankees was M’s asking that EITHER Nunez OR Nova be included.
“It has been widely reported in every major newspaper that covers the Yankees that the breaking point for Yankees was M’s asking that EITHER Nunez OR Nova be included.”
Which means that there is a 50% chance that it actually happened.
Rich in NJ January 3rd, 2011 at 10:51 pm
“Speaking of the vastly-overpaid Carl Crawford, apple in Theo’s eye, has anyone seen Bret the Hitman lately?”
He was traded for a Yankee fan to be named later.
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Traded for YankeesNmore. The first traded where there were two losers.
Given the similarities in their posting styles, I think this might be Harry Chiti deal all over again. Traded for himself.
For those who can’t afford to pay attention, there is this report from SI.com, which quotes Cashman from an ESPN report:
http://m.si.com/news/to/to/det.....E3.cnnsi1b
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Shortstop Eduardo Nunez just became the most expensive prospect in baseball. It has nothing to do with his signing bonus. Yankees GM Brian Cashman was willing to trade catching prospect Jesus Montero in a package to get Cliff Lee from Seattle in July. But when the Mariners asked that either Nunez or pitching prospect Ivan Nova be included in the deal instead of injured infielder David Adams, Cashman said no.
“Now we’re being asked to give a future middle-of-the-lineup bat [Montero] and either a future starting shortstop or a potential high-end starter . . .” Cashman told ESPNNewYork.com in October. He said it would have been “probably the most expensive deal I’ve ever done.” Maybe the Mariners still strike a deal with Texas for Justin Smoak. But when the Yankees said no on Nunez, they lost any shot at Lee. The Yankees, with a shallow rotation, probably lost the pennant by not getting Lee, who beat them in the ALCS, and probably lost their best chance at signing Lee as a free agent.
If we’re getting the Granderson from the last two months of 2010 then that player is more valuable than Crawford because he has more power and plays CF…..and that’s before you factor in contracts. A CFer that can hit 30 homers is extremely rare and valuable.
QUOTING RICH: “Which means that there is a 50% chance that it actually happened.”
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and what do the Cashman quotes from the ESPN report mean???
Perhaps you should refrain from commenting on things you know nothing about.
I honestly have to question any alleged “Yankee fan” who is ignorant of the Nunez/Nova aspect of the Lee trade. Pay attention!
““Now we’re being asked to give a future middle-of-the-lineup bat [Montero] and either a future starting shortstop or a potential high-end starter . . .” Cashman told ESPNNewYork.com in October. He said it would have been “probably the most expensive deal I’ve ever done.””
We don’t know if that’s because he didn’t want to include Nunez or because he thought that Jack Z. wasn’t dealing in good faith.
That CarGo extension seems pretty team friendly especially with Boras involved. He must have indicated that he really wanted to stay in Colorado. That’s two pretty darn good players the Rockies have locked up this winter.
“Perhaps you should refrain from commenting on things you know nothing about.”
Stop being so naive.
Had the Yankees made that deal then its possible that Montero, Nova, and Nunez would be Mariners and Cliff Lee would still be a Philly right now. We like to think that Lee would have signed with the Yankees had he came to NY but there’s no way to know that…..things happen for a reason sometimes.
as good as Carlos Gonzalez was in 2010, I’ll wait to see of he comes as close to that season over the next two years.
Well, it wouldn’t have been Nova AND Nunez, it would gave been one or the other… But the point is still valid.
It did, unquestionably, cost the Yankees their best chance to sign Lee, and might have cost them the World Series, too.
Moreover, none of that changes the fact that several alleged “fans” on this board were completely ignorant of the Nova/Nunez aspect of that failed deal.
Gb,
Yea he doesn’t have a long track record but if his future performance is even in the ballpark of his 2010 then that’s a pretty good deal for Colorado.
I’d rather have Nova and Nunez. It seems that Lee always wanted to go to Philly so we would have given up a lot just for one world series title. The Rangers gave up Smoak, made it to the World Series with Lee and still lost. Not worth it.
Blake, he’s going to need to do better outside of Coor’s and Miller Park than he has. That’s a pretty stark difference.
“It did, unquestionably, cost the Yankees their best chance to sign Lee, and might have cost them the World Series, too.”
I would rather lose than trade Montero for Lee irrespective of the reason why the trade didn’t go down.
Hopedevil – as for your comments on Joba. I don’t think anything good for us Yankee fans is cooking. If by something cooking you mean Cashman has plans to include joba in a deal, saying he’s just a reliever and his stuff doesn’t play as a starter certainly doesn’t sound like a guy whose value he wannts boosted for a trade.
QUOTE: “I’d rather have Nova and Nunez. It seems that Lee always wanted to go to Philly so we would have given up a lot just for one world series title. The Rangers gave up Smoak, made it to the World Series with Lee and still lost. Not worth it.”
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So if I could guarantee you that the Yankees at the very least make the 2011 World Series (and perhaps win it), and all it costs is ONE of Nunez or Nova, you wouldn’t do that… That’s “too expensive.”
Ridiculous.
QUOTE: “I would rather lose than trade Montero for Lee”
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The stupidity never stops.
The issue with Lee is that the Yankees said Yes to what the Mariners wanted, then the Mariners wanted more. Then it turned out they really just wanted Smoak.
# LGY January 3rd, 2011 at 10:36 pm
I think randy has got to me with the Joba stuff. Originally I wanted to see more out of the BP before revisiting starting, but now think the upside of giving him a chance to compete outweighs any downside of him not having a defined role this offseason
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*Mr. Burns voice* Excellent
We’ve have converted another one lol
Facts: Even with spending time in the organization, Lee donked off to philly. We’d have no Lee, No Jesus, No whomever and no guarantee of a world series just a guarantee to have a better shot at it.
The organization being Texas.
YankeesNmore, is your point that you’re more informed than anyone else here? Or is it just to be obnoxious and insult others?
You’re unbelievable! I happen to think it was a stroke of good fortune that the Yankees kept Montero, instead of trading him for a pitcher who didn’t want to be here anyway.
I know several other Yankees fans who feel the same. I guess we’re all the stupid ones.
If Cashman had said yes to Nunez or Nova, maybe it would have been AJ and Andy who got awesome dead deer pictures instead of Ian Kinsler.
I think Cashman was smart not to deal Nova or Nunez for Lee. It would be one thing if the trade came with negotiations for a contract extention, but it didn’t. Trading talent for a rental is risky. Trading talent AND depth is just foolish. If Cashman pulled the trigger on that deal and Lee still bounced back to Philly, all hell would have broken loose.
YankeesNmore January 3rd, 2011 at 11:32 pm
So if I could guarantee you that the Yankees at the very least make the 2011 World Series (and perhaps win it), and all it costs is ONE of Nunez or Nova, you wouldn’t do that… That’s “too expensive.”
Ridiculous.
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Your thought process is what is ridiculous.
There are no guarantees in trades. None. So your assertion is totally flawed.
Cashman had to make his decision based on real world expectations. And more than a few of us, now knowing that Lee didn’t want to be here, are glad that trade wasn’t made.
Nick in SF January 3rd, 2011 at 11:50 pm
If Cashman had said yes to Nunez or Nova, maybe it would have been AJ and Andy who got awesome dead deer pictures instead of Ian Kinsler.
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YankeesNmore says:
January 3, 2011 at 11:32 pm
QUOTE: “I’d rather have Nova and Nunez. It seems that Lee always wanted to go to Philly so we would have given up a lot just for one world series title. The Rangers gave up Smoak, made it to the World Series with Lee and still lost. Not worth it.”
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So if I could guarantee you that the Yankees at the very least make the 2011 World Series (and perhaps win it), and all it costs is ONE of Nunez or Nova, you wouldn’t do that… That’s “too expensive.”
Ridiculous.
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Where did I say that I wouldn’t give up either of them for a shot at the WS? I wouldn’t have given up Montero or either of them for lee and it turned out to be a good decision And who do we trade either of them for that gets us to the world series? And who doesn’t cost us Montero? I’d rather win down the road maybe multiple years then one and done and then not have a potential impact player in Montero. The thing about sports is we can enjoy them however we want. And ill enjoy my 2011 whether we win it all or bust. I’m not a fairweather fan, I know that sometimes you give it your all and don’t win.
Carlo – I’m not optimistic about Joba. I agree that his trade value – at least right now – is low. Especially if Pettitte decides to retire – I’m totally in favor of giving Joba a chance to start.
But it appears that the Yanks are pretty much ruling that out. We haven’t really heard anything in the way of reasonable explanations…just a short “Joba is a reliever” statement. Given the Yanks’ need of starting pitching and Joba’s great potential just a few years ago it just doesn’t make sense why they wouldn’t let him have another go at it.
So I was just saying that maybe they do have good reasons why they don’t believe he can start. Perhaps they are just keeping those reasons private to avoid trashing the guy in public and potentially making it harder to get anything out of him performance-wise or hurting his trade value even more. Some guys might be driven to perform after getting called out publicly…some guys probably get crushed by that tactic. Maybe Joba is in the latter group? Maybe there’s some personal stuff involved somehow?
I don’t know. Maybe not. But if they don’t know “something” beyond what has been revealed publicly then I too question “what the hell are they thinking?”
I think maybe Larry has a crush on Cashman, and when rejected, it turned to hatred, poor Larry, so misunderstood – Loser.
I think in retrospect, randy l. driving everyone nuts with his Twins vs Yankees pitching posts, was better than what’s going on here now, but, JMO.
Night folks.
“I happen to think it was a stroke of good fortune that the Yankees kept Montero, instead of trading him for a pitcher who didn’t want to be here anyway.
I know several other Yankees fans who feel the same. I guess we’re all the stupid ones.”
Count me as one of the stupid ones!
I didn’t want Lee traded for Montero straight-up this past July (knowing Lee was FA in a few months). At the time I was all about taking our chances for the remainder of 2010, signing Lee as FA, and keeping Montero.
Anyway, we’ll never know if trading for Lee would’ve resulted in him signing with us or not – or whether we’d have won the WS or not. Water under the bridge.
Hopdevil January 4th, 2011 at 12:06 am
“what the hell are they thinking?”
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He can still probably be the heir to Mo. I don’t agree with it but it’s a thought
Hopdevil January 4th, 2011 at 12:14 am
Anyway, we’ll never know if trading for Lee would’ve resulted in him signing with us or not – or whether we’d have won the WS or not. Water under the bridge.
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exactly!!!
Memory fails easily at this age, but wasn’t the Mariner’s tactic to stall on one of the NYYs medical issues so that they could get Texas to cough up the 1st baseman? Cashman thought he had given Seatle what it wanted.
Pedro better be ready to get some big outs this summer. He will be in some huge spots against the media darlings who are the Red Sox.
Jack Z. played a dangerous and duplicitous game. The result for him will be continued mediocrity and, eventually, the loss of his job (which will help the Seattle organization in the long run).
The short-term result for us may have been losing the division and not making/winning the World Series. Of course we have no way of knowing how things would have played out had the trade gone through.
The long-term result for us is impossible to determine, but hopefully it will be seeing Montero mash for years to come and perhaps being happy with what we get from Nunez/Nova.
“So if I could guarantee you that the Yankees at the very least make the 2011 World Series (and perhaps win it), and all it costs is ONE of Nunez or Nova, you wouldn’t do that… That’s “too expensive.” ”
That’s not what I said. I said if the cost was Montero, it was too expensive.
If you think that trading Montero, who is almost certain to be a major offensive force, away from a team with several core players who may be in a deep offensive decline, is worth Cliff Lee, you are “ridiculous,” if I chose to be kind.
Cashman has already said that looking back, it was a good thing he didn’t trade for Lee. He said that even with Lee the Yankees probably wouldn’t have gotten to the world series because the offense went cold.
I see why he offered Montero (although I didn’t and still don’t agree with the trade) but you have to admit, in hindsight it was a very good non-move.
Think about how the Rangers feel, they lost the world series, didn’t sign Lee and lost their best prospect. That could have been the Yankees.
As much as I wanted Lee ( 5 years 6th year would have been painful ) giving up Montero would be a haunting situation for many years….Then again, he was offered along with Joba for Hallady…..Toronto wanted Hiughes instead, and that would have been crazy…..So in the end Nova is in the roation which I like, it’s the other slot that is worrisome….But we still have The Stick though……Bottom line, Rich in NJ has it right……
Count me as another one who didn’t want to do the Lee trade at the time. If you go back and read my posts, I said that I wouldn’t make the deal unless a contract extension was in place…several here jumped against that, saying the Yankees would certainly be able to work out a deal if Lee was here. I countered that it was too risky and uncertain at that time, and there were numerous reasosn that Lee might not come.
So, if that is stupid, I’m blessed with the curse.
On second thought, I am confusing this with NYTimes discussion board…I don’t think I was here in July. I did continue that conversation here in October.
Good morning, everybody!
Montero can hit and thats about it, have read where two scouts say he will have to play another position in the majors either OF or 1st base & he will be a below average catcher at best in the majors…..or a young 20 + DH
Good Morning Old Yanks Fan -
I 100% agree with your 5:31 a.m. post in the last thread. It needed to be said, exactly like that.
Good morning, morning people.
Back to the “my husband works in Manhattan, and I need to get up earlier” routine.
When do people think the Pettitte retirement will become official? I know Cashman doesn’t expect a particular phone call, but at some point, wouldn’t you think an announcement has to be made? Unless he’s going to come back mid-season or something. (I’m still waiting for Bernie to announce his retirement officially, come to think of it.
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It was not Nova and Nunez specificially, it was either in addition to Montero that made Cashman balk. Nunez and Nova are tradeable in the right deal, I believe. At the time, I, as many did, kind of talked myself into thinking that it would be okay to lose Montero if it netted Cliff Lee. As it turns out, it would more likely not have been okay, because we’d likely have nothing to show for it. Even had Lee come to the Yankees in trade, one of the reasons he wanted the Phillies was because of the league they play in. So, there’s that.
Also, while they don’t seem to be destined to be superstars, Nunez and Nova may prove very helpful to a 2011 Yankees team with a SS and 3B who will need more rest and a pitching staff in search of a #4 and #5 starter.
good morning all…good to see you Chuck58!
Morning.
So who’s the mystery starter gonna be ?
Does anyone really believe that Cashman is gonna go into this season
with AJ and 2 rookies in the rotation ?
I sure don’t. We’ve been down that road before.
MTU
I keep telling you it will be Garza!
Kate-
Sorry. You did say that.
Excellent choice.
Getting up earlier. Traffic is wild – everyone back from vacation and such. Looks like the commands are all starting at six now, which means it takes quite a while to get through the gate at 5:30. Guess I’ll have to start leaving at 4:30!
Doreen is right – losing Nunez or Nova PLUS Montero, et al, would have been tough [especially if Cliff Lee had then played out his option and signed with Philly]. I do hope Andy comes back as the rotation will be thin without him. Hope Joba gets another chance to crack the rotation, too, although there may be info behind the scenes to prevent that, which we are all not privy to.
Take heart – Pitchers and Catchers is right around the corner!
Good morning, Kate
Doreen
Cashman needs to keep Nova so he can prove to randy that he can develop pitchers.
Nova has potential, he just needs to learn how to get past the 5th inning.
Things would be so simple if only AP would return.
CC AP PH AJ IN
solid. And competitive.
And we should beef up the BP in either case.
MaineYankee -
Oy! My head is spinning from those posts.
Oops – time to wake the daughter.
Later.
Kate-
Nova was gassed at the end of the season. He should do fine this season when the expectation for him is only to be a numero cinco.
Me. I think he’s got a chance to exceed that. He’s muy macho on the mound and has the stuff.
MTU January 4th, 2011 at 7:05 am
Things would be so simple if only AP would return.
CC AP PH AJ IN
solid. And competitive.
And we should beef up the BP in either case.
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Is it hereford or angus that you want for the BP?
USDA prime aged Angus.
w/o a doubt.
Mmmmmm.
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And Herford! {a h/t tip Jim Hunter, who was from HerTford, NC
Ack! GB’s spelling is contagious! “A h/t TO…”
Chuck-
It’s not GB who can’t spell. It’s “Killer”.
GB,
From last night, yea the splits are a bit concerning on Gonzalez but for that money its a pretty good risk. If he pans out then its a steal….if not then its a very tradeable contract at around 11 million per…….the splits would be more concerning to me if he were leaving Colorado than if he’s staying because now he’s still going to be hitting at Coors field.
Anyone see any good pitchers looking for a starting job around lately? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
haha! MTU – ya got a point there….
Um, sunny, not Pavano….
Cashman will come up with someone.
Welcome to the Yankees Mr. Someone.
I did say “good” starting pitcher. So Pavano doesn’t count.
Cashman:
“We tried for Mr. Whoever but wound up with Mr. Someone.
Because we didn’t like Mr. Nobody, or Mr. Twonews in our rotation.
Is that clear ? ”
MTU,
I agree. Mr..Someone will be pretty good
Noesi? Brackman?
Zambrano?
Blake-
Way better than Mr. Twonews.
Can’t have a rotation with Nova and Twonews in it.
Am I right ?
MTU,
Yea….I would however rather them re-eval things midseason if nothing is available now than for them to make a bad move. There may be more quality guys available as teams fall out of the race in the summer….
MTU
Cashman is in the”wait till a team gets desperate and reasonable” mode right now.
That is better than the “stick em up I’m here to rob you” mode.
“I did say “good” starting pitcher. So Pavano doesn’t count.”
Not necessarily advocating signing him, but Pavano was better than every Yankees starting pitcher not named Sabathia in 2010.
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Blake-
I hear ya’ but I don’t think they are gonna’ go that way.
Pitcher X will be revealed before the start of ST IMO.
He’ll eat innings for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Maine-
He has until the start of ST.
If Pavano would do a 1 year deal then that would be fine…..but he wont. He has 2 year offers elsewhere and may end up getting a 3rd from somebody.
Blake-
The Yankees are a Pavano free zone.
Fortunately.
“If Pavano would do a 1 year deal then that would be fine…..but he wont. He has 2 year offers elsewhere and may end up getting a 3rd from somebody”
Probably a little too much history here for that particular relationship to work, and, as you suggest, he’s not signing a 1 year deal.
Mell-
I got to hand it to you.
You sir are the master of understatement.
Mell,
It would be a circus for sure but if he came in and pitched well then I think.all that would go away pretty quickly as most yankee fans understand the situation with the rotation…..I wouldn’t go past a year though and as we’ve said…..that ain’t happening.
MTU,
They have until ST but most teams circumstances aren’t going to change a lot between now and then. When some are already out of contention by May or June then that’s when more players will hit the market. I’ve said this before but just in the off chance that the Mariners are horrible again and decide to shop Felix this summer…..if Im the Yanks I want to keep myself in a position where I can move on that IF it were to happen.
It’s a damn good thing the Yankees have the financial muscle to absorb most, if not all, of their mistakes.
For people’s exhibits A and B I give you Pavano and Igawa.
Thankfully we get to put those abortions behind us soon.
I’m hoping AJ does not turn into people’s exhibit C.
Blake-
Would you rather have a placeholder like Garcia, etc. at the back end or Phelps ?
I know my answer.
If Cashman does decide to go with AJ and 2 rooks in the rotation he’d better do at least 2 things first :
1 Turn the BP into the Incredible Hulk
2 Hand out lots of free passes for the Scranton shuttle.
You got that right, MTU
3 Be prepared for a strong second half run.
4 Get religious.
And if it doesn’t work out with AJ and the 2 rooks :
5 Practice your resume writing skills
6 Find a Dr. to stitch up the wound in his buttocks.
Alfredo Aceves to the rescue.
Calling AA.
Bring back the Gansta’
Joba Chamberlain.
Your paycheck could look like this ……… $$$
OR
It could look like this …….. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Choose wisely grasshopper.
Joba.
Get your azz on over to API. Now.
Joba.
Remember that commercial on TV for the Marines.
“Joba.
Get your azz on over to API. Now.”
” mtu-
why should i? i’m just a reliever. “
I looked at Pavano’s 2010 splits versus teams and here’s how they break out:
AL East:
ERA W L IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG
Boston: 1.50 1 0 06.0 04 1 1 0 1 4 .190
Tampa: 4.38 0 1 12.1 16 7 6 0 4 8 .327
O’s: 1.06 1 1 0 0 2 2 1 17.0 11 2 2 1 4 12 .190
Jays:
AL West:
Angels:
Rangers:
M’s:
A’s:
AL Central:
Tigers:
White Sox:
Royals:
Indians:
Or was it the Army ?
“Be all that you can be.”
Sorry.
oops – wait
Randy-
See my financial outlook chart posted above.
That’s why.
Randy-
Joba had an opportunity to compete for a spot last season.
What does he do ?
He throws a wild pitch.
MTU,
I answered you in the new thread
I looked at Pavano?s 2010 splits versus teams and here?s how they break out:
AL East:
(ERA W L IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG)
Boston: 1.50 1 0 06.0 04 1 1 0 1 4 .190
Tampa: 4.38 0 1 12.1 16 7 6 0 4 8 .327
O?s: 1.06 1 1 17.0 11 2 2 1 4 12 .190
Jays: 6.75 0 1 17.1 27 14 13 5 1 7 .355
AL West:
Angels: 1.29 1 0 7.0 6 1 1 0 0 6 .222
Rangers: 3.52 2 1 23.0 23 9 9 1 4 7 .264
M?s: 3.86 0 2 14.0 13 6 6 1 3 7 .255
A?s: 2.84 1 0 6.1 10 2 2 0 1 4 .345
AL Central:
Tigers: 5.49 1 1 19.2 24 13 12 3 3 13 .293
White Sox: 5.33 3 1 27.0 36 16 16 5 3 14 .319
Royals: 4.63 3 1 23.1 26 12 12 2 5 10 .286
Indians: 2.40 1 1 15.0 13 4 4 1 5 9 .241
It appears that teams who saw him more had better success against him. And in the AL East, that’s not a good recipe. But then, considering he rarely pitched while he was a Yankee, teams would be seeing him for the first time. (practically)
MTU -
Get ready for Zambrano baby, with all the squirrels in Central Park, NY needs a few nuts.
Al-
As long as we keep the Taser and cattle prod handy we’re good.
He may very well turn out to be Pitcher X. Who knows.
Glad I don’t have to make these decisions.
They’re not easy ones.
MTU January 4th, 2011 at 7:05 am
Things would be so simple if only AP would return.
CC AP PH AJ IN
solid. And competitive.
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This rotation would do very nicely.
We just need Andy to join the party.
Everyone who wants any of the losers available via trade (i.e. Zambrano) or FA (Pavano) are crazy.
If Andy doesn’t sign on, get ready for a full on brawl by the washed-ups and the aren’t-ready-yets.