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Hall of Fame results coming this afternoon

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 05, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Barring a massive trade, Rafael Soriano signing or Andy Pettitte decision, today’s big story will be the Class of 2011 Hall of Fame announcement.

The news will be posted on the Hall of Fame site at 2 p.m. Eastern, with MLB Network and MLB.com airing a Hall of Fame special beginning at 1 p.m.

One year ago, Roberto Alomar and Bert Blyleven barely missed election, Alomar by eight votes and Blyleven by five. Historically, that suggests they’re near locks for election this time around. Barry Larkin, Tim Raines and Edgar Martinez are also among the players returning to the ballot.

Among the first-timers, Jeff Bagwell seems to have the best chance of election this time around. Rafael Palmeiro, Larry Walker and Juan Gonzalez are also new to the ballot this year.

Former Yankees first basemen Don Mattingly and Tino Martinez were also on this year’s ballot, though neither seems especially likely to be elected.

The complete ballot: Roberto Alomar, Carlos Baerga, Jeff Bagwell, Harold Baines, Bert Blyleven, Bret Boone, Kevin Brown, John Franco, Juan Gonzalez, Marquis Grissom, Lenny Harris, Bobby Higginson, Charles Johnson, Barry Larkin, Al Leiter, Edgar Martinez, Tino Martinez, Don Mattingly, Fred McGriff, Mark McGwire, Raul Mondesi, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, John Olerud, Rafael Palmeiro, Dave Parker, Tim Raines, Kirk Rueter, Benito Santiago, Lee Smith, B.J. Surhoff, Alan Trammell and Larry Walker.

Associated Press photo of Alomar

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275 Responses to “Hall of Fame results coming this afternoon”

  1. Chuck58 January 5th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Robbie and Rikalbert. I’m okay with that.

  2. tom tresh 15 January 5th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    I vote Robby Alomar, Blyleven, McGriff, Jack Morris

  3. upstate kate January 5th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    I would not like to see all the ball parks the same, to me, the individual quirks adds to their charm. My husband would like to combine our love of travel w/ my love of baseball, and visit some more parks. Here are a few possibilities: Camden Yards, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh…any recommendations?

  4. MTU January 5th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Kate-

    Sorry. We don’t have any out here.

    :(

  5. Rich in NJ January 5th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    If Blyleven isn’t in the HoF, there shouldn’t be a HoF.

  6. Shame Spencer January 5th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    86w183 – Stark’s take on the Hall of Fame voting is definitely interesting and he makes well reasoned, valid arguments. But I have an issue with almost any writer that has been following the sport for decades who comes out with their take on steroids. Stark is saying its the Hall of Fame that needs to get their act together to deal with this issue.. I think he’s wrong. I don’t see how the Hall has any power here.. they’re at the mercy of the MLB and the choices and decisions that were made/not made by the league.

  7. YsGuy January 5th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    pnc in pittsburgh is my favorite. but if you’re gonna go all the way out there, find a time when you can also shoot up to cincinati or cleveland. or you could try detroit/toronto, the shoot over to chicago and do wrigley, comisky and then milwaukee.
    you have to work it out with the schedule but its alot of fun. i used to be a ballpark traveler, i’ve been to 30 somethiing mlb parks, but several of them no longer exsist at this point.

  8. Chip January 5th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    I go Alomar and no one else.

    Bert Blyleven hasn’t played in a baseball game in nearly 20 years – what has he done in the last 15 to make him a greater candidate now than he was when he was first elligible?

    Same thing goes for Jack Morris

    Alomar wasn’t kept out last year because he wasn’t good enough – he was kept out because he wasn’t the nicest guy in the world and members of the BBWAA have huge egos and think that if you’re not nice to them when you’re playing it is their right to hold it against you when you’re up for the Hall. It is this attitude that makes me want to puke when I hear guys like Gammons and Verducci talk about how much respect they treat their ballots with.

    Speaking of Gammons – I was watching Hot Stove last night on MLB Network and one of the questions posed to the panel was: Which 3/4 combo is the best in baseball right now.

    Verducci: Pujols and Holliday – they both hit for power and neither guy strikes out
    Mitch Williams: Tulo and Cargo – both elite young players just scratching the surface
    Gammons: “Naturally most people want to look at Teixeira and Alex Rodriguez in New York, but for me it’s Kevin Youkilis and Adrian Gonzalez up in Boston.”
    I was naturally shocked that Gammons would pick the Boston duo despite them ever playing a game together.

  9. YsGuy January 5th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    sorry that was a typo it should have been 20-something

  10. YsGuy January 5th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    gammons knows where his bread is buttered…

  11. Erica in NY January 5th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Chip January 5th, 2011 at 9:27 am
    I go Alomar and no one else.

    Bert Blyleven hasn’t played in a baseball game in nearly 20 years – what has he done in the last 15 to make him a greater candidate now than he was when he was first elligible?

    **************

    That argument doesn’t work. By that logic, you are saying they should scrap the Veteran’s committee

  12. Mike Ri January 5th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Chip


    Gammons: ?Naturally most people want to look at Teixeira and Alex Rodriguez in New York, but for me it?s Kevin Youkilis and Adrian Gonzalez up in Boston.?
    I was naturally shocked that Gammons would pick the Boston duo despite them ever playing a game together.

    LOL LOL LOL .. Youk and Gonzo . .give me a break .

    —-

    I’d still take Arod and Tex . . just not in April

  13. Erin January 5th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    kate-of the three you mentioned I’ve only been to PNC Park in Pittsburgh which is great. My dad went to Camden Yards a few years ago and raved about it. Are you staying mostly on the east coast?

    If you’re headed out to my area, I’ve always had good experiences at the Cell (although try to get tickets on the lower level-you might as well stay home than watch a game from the upper deck). Wrigley is a dump, but I suppose it’s worth seeing for historical reasons. ;)

  14. Chip January 5th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    As for some other items from last night:

    1. I’m on board with the idea in signing Bonderman. Significantly more upside than Garcia, and a proven pitcher in big time AL situations unlike Francis.

    2. I was watching MLB Seasons and they were focusing on the 1990 Reds and Pirates and it got me thinking.

    I have been opposed to the signing of Soriano, but in watching the 90 Reds, with Dibble, Charlton and Myers wouldn’t it be nice to create our own version of the Nasty Boys? They won’t have the same attitude, mostly because Mariano would set the tempo – but a trio of Rauch, Soriano and Mo would be unstoppable I think from the 7th inning on (much like what I assume Boston is doing with Jenks, Bard, and Papelbon who do have that Nasty Boy attitude).

  15. Chip January 5th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Erica in NY January 5th, 2011 at 9:31 am
    Chip January 5th, 2011 at 9:27 am
    I go Alomar and no one else.

    Bert Blyleven hasn’t played in a baseball game in nearly 20 years – what has he done in the last 15 to make him a greater candidate now than he was when he was first elligible?

    **************

    That argument doesn’t work. By that logic, you are saying they should scrap the Veteran’s committee

    ———————

    I’m not against that.

    The Veteran’s Committee has elected numerous players who don’t belong there just because they are tight with the players up for consideration.

  16. YsGuy January 5th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    dead ballparks i’ve seen games in: YS (both pre and post the 75 remodel), shea, the vet (ugh!) cleveland municipal stadium, busch stadium, county stadium (milwaukee), 3 rivers and riverfront. i could include the big A prior to its remodel, and oakland alameda as well as qualcomm because they’re both long dead stadiums that are just waiting to be killed off.

  17. upstate kate January 5th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    thanks YsGuy and Erin
    just in the planning stages at this point. I like the idea of combining PNC/Cinnci/Cleveland.
    We have already been to Toronto a few times, it is our closest ball park now that the Expos are gone.

  18. West Coast Yankee Fan January 5th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Chip – I am sure you know Bonderman has chronic shoulder issues and an ERA of almost 6. I hope it’s just another Manny type rumor.

  19. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 January 5th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Hey guys!

    Upstate Kate – have you been to camden yards? I went on an 8th grade trip and it was beautiful. My class was super obnoxious the entire game ( we were chanting lets go yankees the whole time, and they yankees werent even playing lol. At one point the whole group started chanting BJ! BJ! for BJ Surhoff. Gotta love 8th grade boys). Anyway, I really want to go back there one day.

    Erin -I saw that picture you posted of Jete and Minka. How cute! But why was he wearing long sleeves ? lol

  20. YsGuy January 5th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    kate i will never forget what a strange universe was stade olympique in montreal. first off, it was this humongous cavern of concrete where every little noise bounced around the park forever; the fans (HUNDREDS of them!) doing those weird cheers in french, the strange food and drink at the concessions. french on the scoreboard and annoiuncements in french and english…
    to make more noise expos fans would slam the folding bottom part of the seats, making that clacking sound that echoed around seemingly forever. the wierd tunnels and signage for the metro. it was truly other worldly..

  21. Chip January 5th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan January 5th, 2011 at 9:41 am
    Chip – I am sure you know Bonderman has chronic shoulder issues and an ERA of almost 6. I hope it’s just another Manny type rumor.

    ——————-

    I know he was hurt the last couple of years, yes. I would still consider him (as Morosi says) on a Rich Harden type deal.

    If it works out great – if not – nothing terribly lost.

  22. upstate kate January 5th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    NYY626
    No I haven’t been to Camden Yards yet, but it is on my list.
    Any progress in convincing Andy to return? Have you staked out his house?

  23. Erin January 5th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    NYY626-I thought that was a little strange too. LOL

  24. Chip January 5th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    WCYF –

    He was overworked in 2007 – paid for it in 08 and 09 started the road back last year and maybe, further removed from the injury he’s ready to return to some semblance of his former self.

  25. West Coast Yankee Fan January 5th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Chip – Chronic shoulder issues are tough to overcome. It’s feeling more like beggars can’t be choosers.

  26. YsGuy January 5th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    if you’re going down to camden yards, make a stop in phillly and go to citizen’s bank park. its quite a nice stadium, there’s truly not a bad seat in the house, and since they have a real ballclub, you get the excitement that goes with a full house and competitive teams.

  27. upstate kate January 5th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    YsGuy
    we used to go on occasion when they had $1 hot dogs or $5 admission. I don’t remember the weird food…they must have had poutine!

  28. MTU January 5th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    From MLB Rumors-R-Us and the FWIW dep’t. :

    “Cubs close to deal for Garza” according to Gordon Wittenmyer of the Sun-Times.

    No mention of the players involved.

    Big Z. RU coming to NY ?

  29. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 January 5th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Kate

    I was optimistic about Andy but im starting to lose hope :( I want to be mad at him, because it’s easier than being sad, but Im not. I just really want to give him an Oneill-like sendoff :( ( and plus we kinda really need him)

  30. 86w183 January 5th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Bonderman pays off if healthy and is low risk if not. If they are going to take a flier why not the one with the highest ceiling? My guess is he won’t help.

    Shame — The Hall of Fame has a board of directors, which makes policy for the Hall. A clear statement by Commissioner for Life Baby Doc Selig would go a long way towards setting the tone. Stark’s point is that the powers that be need to take ownership of this issue and not allow/force a conga line of sportswriters to do it for them

    Of course the Veteran’s Committee should be disbanded. There are ZERO candidates now that we don’t have enough information about to adequately assess.

  31. MTU January 5th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Bonderman sounds like a rotator cuff surgery waiting to happen.

  32. Erica in NY January 5th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    NYY626 – Andy in 2011 January 5th, 2011 at 9:56 am
    Kate

    I was optimistic about Andy but im starting to lose hope I want to be mad at him, because it’s easier than being sad, but Im not. I just really want to give him an Oneill-like sendoff ( and plus we kinda really need him)

    ***********

    I have been worried about how you are handling things… hang in there

  33. YsGuy January 5th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    and if you havent been there, definitly go to citi field. finally us yankees fans who also like the rest of baseball have a nice place to see national league baseball. despite alot of complaints about sightlines, i thought it was great. oh and park in queens village and take the #7 to save the parking money.

  34. blake January 5th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Best 3/4 combo…..yea shocking that Gammons would pick Boston. Cano and a healthy Arod won’t be too bad ;)…..if the Yanks do it.

    The writers turned their heads for years along with MLB regarding steroids and now are the morality police on the HOF…..ironic. If they are so disgusted it now then perhaps they shouldn’t have had their heads in the sand 10 years ago when they were all going ga ga over Mcguire and Sosa.

  35. upstate kate January 5th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Camden/Philly sounds like another good trip choice

  36. SAS January 5th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    upstate kate,

    I have been to PNC in Pittsburgh, and it is gorgeous. Cincinnati is a great city to visit. I have been to their first 2 parks. They are on the Ohio and I would love to see it.

    ————————————————–

    I agree Byleven should be in the HOF. That is what the veteran’s committee is for. He was a terrific pitcher…better than Alomar at 2nd base…my humble opinion. So many guys have been passed over during “their years” with an ‘oh we get him next year type of attitude.

  37. MTU January 5th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Blake-

    You want your best hitter in the 3 slot.

    Right now Cano is the Yankees best hitter.

    ;)

  38. YsGuy January 5th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    or camden/philly/and the nats stadium, which i’ve walked around but not been in. looks great from the outside. i understand it has a view of the capitol,but the area is being built up so much now that it probably wont have that view much longer.

  39. blake January 5th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    That’s a good move for the cubs if true. It would make Z more expendable if they’ll eat some salary.

  40. blake January 5th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    MTU,

    totally agree. Cano should hit 3rd….whether he will or not, I don’t know.

  41. MTU January 5th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Blake-

    They were talking about keeping both but I don’t buy it.

    Let’s see if they get Garza first.

  42. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 January 5th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Erica –

    I’ve been trying not to think about it, but that doesnt mean it wont happen. Between Andy most likely retiring and all of the jeter crap, this off season has been mentally draining
    :(

  43. Tom in N.J. January 5th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    For wearing this shirt Bert Blyleven belongs in the HoF:

    http://static.sportressofblogi.....yleven.jpg

  44. MTU January 5th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Blake-

    Gardy should lead off and Cano should bat third.

    You’re right though. Who knows if it happens.

  45. MTU January 5th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Tom-

    :)

    The Man has guts in addition to that great curve.

  46. Erica in NY January 5th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    NYY626 – Andy in 2011 January 5th, 2011 at 10:05 am
    Erica –

    I’ve been trying not to think about it, but that doesnt mean it wont happen. Between Andy most likely retiring and all of the jeter crap, this off season has been mentally draining

    ******************

    I agree. Not my favorite offseason. However, that could change if the Yankees sign Johnny Damon :-)

  47. randy l. January 5th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    cashman has had incredibly bad luck to find himself with only two good starters. he has been adding starters through trades and from within through development every year and it is simply not is fault that he didn’t know pettitte might retire, wang might ruin his arm pitching on a bad hip, kennedy could get hurt, joba would be high maintenance,lee’s wife was spit on, and those damn three B’s refuse to get good faster than any human pitcher ever as.

    seriously, who could have predicted over the past five years that the yankees would need pitching in 2011. anyone can see they were loaded all the time and any plan to add pitching for 2011 a few years back would have just been unnecessary work.

    and in 2012, the yankees are really loaded for pitching. 2013 too. the yankees should not actively rebuild their pitching staff. just waiting for the three B’s will make any further acquisitions unnecessary .

  48. YsGuy January 5th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    when i saw your name erica, i was waiting for the damon reference.
    i love johnny but he doesnt fit and his numbers dipped again last season.

  49. Shame Spencer January 5th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    blake – “The writers turned their heads for years along with MLB regarding steroids and now are the morality police on the HOF…..ironic. If they are so disgusted it now then perhaps they shouldn’t have had their heads in the sand 10 years ago when they were all going ga ga over Mcguire and Sosa.”

    Couldn’t agree more. I understand what Starks point was on ESPN, but again, listening to ANY writer who has been covering the sport for so many years discuss steroids is laughable IMO. Fact of the matter is, there is still no way to distinguish who is or isn’t using many kinds of performance enhancing drugs and at this rate there never will be. I think thats the one fact no one really wants to address but to anyone with a pair of eyes and something between the ears I think its pretty obvious.

  50. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 January 5th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    I agree. Not my favorite offseason. However, that could change if the Yankees sign Johnny Damon

    __________________________________________
    LOL shocking!!!

  51. Erica in NY January 5th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    YsGuy January 5th, 2011 at 10:11 am
    when i saw your name erica, i was waiting for the damon reference.
    i love johnny but he doesnt fit and his numbers dipped again last season.

    *************

    I have to do it!!!!!!!! I can’t help myself :-)

    Although, in my defense after Johnny signed with Detroit last season it was never me who brought him up. I only started doing it again when it became clear he was looking for work again and my hope was renewed.

    And of course his numbers dipped last season. Everyone knew Comerica was a bad fit for him (except Johnny and Scott Boras). And towards the end of the season, he had reduced playing time as Detroit auditioned rookies.

  52. SAS January 5th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    and Kate and Erin,

    I am very sad at the idea that Andy is retiring. He has been a favorite of mine from the get-go.

  53. West Coast Yankee Fan January 5th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    I don’t think some of you have been paying attention to Joe Girardi. I’m betting Jeter is leading off and Cano is hitting fifth. Any takers?

  54. Erica in NY January 5th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan January 5th, 2011 at 10:17 am
    I don’t think some of you have been paying attention to Joe Girardi. I’m betting Jeter is leading off and Cano is hitting fifth. Any takers?

    ***************

    Probably.

    But Cano batting third intrigues me

  55. YsGuy January 5th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    sorry but i think johnny’s well into the ‘hanging-on’ stage of his career. he’ll get a contract somewhere but if his #’s dip again this year, he’ll be into the ‘minor leauge contract with a chance to make the bullclub’ stage next season.

  56. ac1 January 5th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Usually don’t like Andrew Merchand, but his article this morning says it all. Pettitte or no, go get Soriano and give him closer money. With him and the others, the pen will be as good as any other, and then they can focus on back end starters and hope something opens up in the summer.

  57. Jerkface January 5th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Philly’s stadium is my second favorite after Yankee Stadium, heartily recommend it. The Nats stadium is good and contains a 5 guys, and the prices are near the same as you’d expect to pay for 5 guys which makes it a bargain.

    The thing with Blyleven and the hall of fame is not that his case became any better in 15 years, its that there is finally an understanding of how good he was and more writers with a broader scope of knowledge towards that have entered the BBWAA. He was a hall of famer the moment he retired and through every year he did not make it in. His stats and play on the field back that up. The whole point of the 5 year waiting period is to distance players from their recent accomplishments and take off some of the veneer for those who just happen to be friendly to writers. Perhaps it ought to be a 30 year waiting period as Jack Morris is still getting a lot of ‘you had to be there’ hype and things which do not make sense.

  58. upstate kate January 5th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    thanks for the ball park suggestions…planning a trip will help the endless waiting in the off season…especially now that the Giants are done :(

  59. randy l. January 5th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    it is not true that letting the pre game batting practice pitcher compete for a rotation spot is part of plan b if pettitte retires .

  60. SAS January 5th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Erica,

    This year I agree with you about Johnny, but Yankees are not going to overpay for a part time player. I know he can hit at YS, and play some outfield. I am with you all the way on this one.

  61. YsGuy January 5th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    i think its a no doubter that girardi changes the lineup. i see it going cano-tex-alex this year. i dont think joe wants to start the season waiting for his #3 to warm up again when he has cano ready to step in that spot.

  62. justinxdance27 January 5th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    upstate kate January 5th, 2011 at 9:08 am
    I would not like to see all the ball parks the same, to me, the individual quirks adds to their charm. My husband would like to combine our love of travel w/ my love of baseball, and visit some more parks. Here are a few possibilities: Camden Yards, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh…any recommendations?

    I saw Camden Yards and PNC Park in Pittburgh this year back to back and they are both beautiful parks. I enjoy traveling and seeing them as well.

  63. ac1 January 5th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    And go sign Andruw Jones for the back up OF. I know he isnt the Atlanta Braves Andruw Jones anymore but he can play all three OF and can still hit for power when he gets into one (a better fielding Marcus Thames)

    So for me of what’s left:

    1. Go beg Pettitte and throw 16 M at him.
    2. Go overpay for Soriano: 3/33 or 4/40 with some bonus if he ends up closing a certain # of games.
    3. Bring in one other veteran starter. Penny/Francis/ and let them try to start. If they fail in May or June, you can bring up Phelps or Noesi until bad teams start selling their players at the deadline. Then we save the minors for a bigger trade of a REAL starter.

  64. YsGuy January 5th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    well randy we can do what the twins did last year which you so highly recommended.
    find a guy coming back from surgery to be #1, find a total headcase looking for a make-good contract as your #2 and hope that the minor league guys can fill in the rest. its a sure bet it will word every time. no chance that could ever go wrong.

  65. randy l. January 5th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    “Not my favorite offseason. However, that could change if the Yankees sign Johnny Damon”

    cashman’s ace pitching scouts have identified damon as a possible loogy with that funky left handed style and odd release.

    when you think about it, the mound is the perfect place for him to play. he could reach any base without a cutoff.

  66. West Coast Yankee Fan January 5th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    I think Cano should be hitting third, so do many Yankee fans. But I don’t think Girardi has the guts to demote Teixeira, which in essence is what that move would be. Jeter should not hit in the lead-off spot either.

  67. randy l. January 5th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    “find a guy coming back from surgery to be #1, find a total headcase looking for a make-good contract as your #2 and hope that the minor league guys can fill in the rest. its a sure bet it will word every time. no chance that could ever go wrong.”

    YsGuy-

    you’re right . that would have never worked for them.

    quit taking about the twins, you are annoying people who like to pay a lot for their pitching staffs,

  68. Erica in NY January 5th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    randy l. January 5th, 2011 at 10:32 am
    “Not my favorite offseason. However, that could change if the Yankees sign Johnny Damon”

    cashman’s ace pitching scouts have identified damon as a possible loogy with that funky left handed style and odd release.

    when you think about it, the mound is the perfect place for him to play. he could reach any base without a cutoff.

    ****************

    This sounds like a winning plan to me.

    Two birds, one stone
    a) Erica is happy (clearly most important)
    b) The Yankees get a pitcher.

  69. 86w183 January 5th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    I’d like to see Gardner, Jeter, Cano, ARod, Tex, Swish, Grandy, Posada, Martin

    Andruw Jones as 4th OF makes sense to me, especially in an incetive laden deal that gives him incentive to earn extra PT with his productivity.

    Now can we trade for Fausto Carmona?

  70. YsGuy January 5th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    whether you like who he replaced them with or not, you have to admit, cashman made the right call on damon and matsui last year. i love both of those guys but they clearly werent going to be big producers for the yankees last season.

  71. blake January 5th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    I think Cashman still would have liked to have either Damon or Matsui back over NJ to DH….they wanted Damon but its well documented how that unfolded. Matsui surprised them by moving on so quickly. Had Damon accepted the Yankees 2 year offer he could have DHed last year and been the 4th outfielder/DH this year. One of the few times you’ll see Boras misjudge a players market to that extent.

  72. Erica in NY January 5th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    YsGuy January 5th, 2011 at 10:42 am
    whether you like who he replaced them with or not, you have to admit, cashman made the right call on damon and matsui last year. i love both of those guys but they clearly werent going to be big producers for the yankees last season.

    *****************

    I don’t think you can make a statement like that with such certainty.

    In the case of Damon, you are comparing playing for the Yankees to playing for the Tigers. Thats kind of apples and oranges. I do believe the team you play for can be a variable in the numbers you produce.

  73. YsGuy January 5th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    personally, the only time i ever want to see johnny damon in the YS outfield again is when he’s wearing some non-pinstriped uniform. unless its old-timers day

  74. lordbyron January 5th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    The HOF voting loses all credibility when someone like ESPN news editor Barry Stanton votes for BJ Surhoff but passes on Alomar, Larkin and Blyleven! What a joke!

  75. YsGuy January 5th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    erica your love goggles have been hiding from you, the fact that damon, while a world class great guy, is a very diminished player. his game was his legs, and his legs are shot. the tigers started sitting him last year before they were out of it, like the yankees had to do the year prior. sure he would have been better than nick johnso, but you or i could have contributed as much as nick did.

  76. blake January 5th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    I think how bad Damon is defensively is a bit overstated. He’s not great, Im in no way saying he is but he’s not Marcus Thames out there either. He can’t throw at all but he never could do that. I think he could be fine out there on a part time basis if he’s able to rest his legs the majority of games.

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