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A guest at the door and some Friday night links

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 07, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I doubt anyone missed this one, but just in case…

Last night, the New York Post showed up at Andy Pettitte’s house to get the story straight from the horse’s mouth. Turns out, Pettitte’s version of the story was the exact same version we’ve been hearing for two months.

“If I had something, y’all would know,” Pettitte told Brian Costello. “If I knew exactly what I was doing, y’all would know.”

Brian Cashman has been saying since November that Pettitte’s future is still up in the air. That situation hasn’t changed, and the Yankees are moving forward as if they won’t have Pettitte this year. It’s worth noting that two years ago, the Yankees didn’t sign Pettitte until January 26.

A few other notes and links from today.

A George Steinbrenner statue has been installed outside of Legends Field in Tampa. If you follow that link, is it just me, or does the guy on the left side of the picture actually look a little bit like The Boss?

• Former Yankees minor leaguer Jimmy Paredes, who went to Houston in the Lance Berkman deal, ranked as the Astros No. 6 prospect according to Baseball America. Granted, that’s a pretty terrible system, but Paredes did have a nice 2010 season and got himself on the 40-man roster. I’m still not sure he’d make the top 20 for the Yankees.

• Speaking of Baseball America, here’s a short piece on Juan Miranda’s opportunity with the Diamondbacks. “I think if he gets the opportunity, he can do some good things,” general manager Kevin Towers said.

• Remember when the Yankees were reportedly interested in trading for Jeff Keppinger? Turns out, Keppinger is having surgery on his foot and will likely miss the start of the season.

• Apparently Gary Sheffield is almost certain his career is finished, but he’s leaving the door open just a little bit. Sheffield told ESPN radio in Tampa that he’s “99.9 percent” sure he’s ready to retire.

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226 Responses to “A guest at the door and some Friday night links”

  1. ac1 January 7th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    looks like they are negotiating with Andruw Jones. That’s a good idea for the extra OF, IMO. Still need pitching though.

  2. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    • A George Steinbrenner statue has been installed outside of Legends Field in Tampa. If you follow that link, is it just me, or does the guy on the left side of the picture actually look a little bit like The Boss?

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    Chad, the first thing that I thought of was that it was nice of Hal to find a job for his big brother, Hank.

  3. Your Worst Nightmare January 7th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    More of the same ‘tired’ Pettitte garbage. Just announce your retirement already.

  4. RobertGKramer@AOL.Com January 7th, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    I saw Paredes play a game in May in Lakewood this year. He looked pretty good for low A!

  5. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    More of the same “whining” garbage. Just announce your retirement from posting already.

  6. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Paredes has hit a bit and runs well, but, he can’t field worth squat.

  7. RobertGKramer@AOL.Com January 7th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    (sorry, I needed a quick break)

    But the star of the game was Stoneburner, who threw a nifty two hit shutout against the Sally League Champion Blue Claws!!!

  8. RobertGKramer@AOL.Com January 7th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    @GB7 He played third base that day and started a triple play!

  9. Your Worst Nightmare January 7th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    GB7…………….Stuff it you old fool, who can’t spell. For a simpleton like yourself just scroll past it if you don’t like what you see.

  10. West Coast Yankee Fan January 7th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Your Worst Nightmare January 7th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    More of the same ‘tired’ Pettitte garbage. Just announce your retirement already.

    **********

    Well said. I think Pettitte is probably too busy redefining narcissism to make a decision. Plus, like he said in relation to joining the Astros, he is probably waiting for God to lead him. He may have a different timetable.

  11. blake January 7th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Andrew would be ok as a RH bench bat with some pop….especially if he came to camp in shape. He could hold down the occasional corner outfield spot, hard to believe he’s still only 33.

  12. Your Worst Nightmare January 7th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Having a statue for George in Tampa is a great thing, where his home, office and the field named after him are. He would be proud that his family honored him so.

  13. blake January 7th, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Apparently Pettite has told the Yankees not to wait on him…..it’s really not his fault if they didn’t listen. They should be going about their business as if he’s not playing and then if he does then that’s all the better.

  14. Your Worst Nightmare January 7th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    WC………..whether it is a ploy to get more money or wait until after the Clemens hearing it doesn’t matter anymore. I think he has had about twelve million reasons or so to answer in a timely fashion. Enough already with his sundial timetable.

  15. Your Worst Nightmare January 7th, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    Blake………yes, they (The Yankees) should ‘be going about their business’, …………..it really a shame that they haven’t done so to this point.

  16. tyanksfan36 January 7th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    The comments on the TBO article about the Steinbrenner statue were the best part of the article. We are classy folk here in Tampa.

  17. blake January 7th, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Going about their business doesn’t necessarily mean that there is anything that makes sense to do at the moment though. There just hasn’t been a great deal available that matches up with their needs this winter.

  18. Rich in NJ January 7th, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    Sign Damon or Manny or Milledge.

  19. yankeefeminista January 7th, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    Can we stop the Pettitte bashing already? Last we heard he had an injury and was unsure if he could train or not.

    & Pettitte, narcissistic? lol.

  20. JoeyA January 7th, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    Well, considering $12-13M of the Yankees “business would be invested in Pettitte, how are they supposed to “go about their business” assuming something that may be false.

    How do they determine how much they have in budget? How much to bid on other FA’s?

    Going about their business while a $12-13M question mark is still out there is impossible.

    It really is ridiculous for it to take so long to
    make this decision. Either you got another year in you or you don’t.

    What are you going to figure out in the next 2-4 weeks you don’t know now? It ain’t like this is new to you.

  21. blake January 7th, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    Rich,

    I like Damon the best despite the fact that he’s a lefty….I just think he’s still the best player of the lot that’s left. The big question with him is if he’ll accept a secondary role, if he will then he brings the most to the table IMO both on the field and in the clubhouse.

  22. TD213 January 7th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Even today, Andy said:

    “I don’t want to be a story,” he said. “I really don’t want [the Yankees] to worry about me. I just want them to go, just go on.”

    He has done nothing to indicate that he wants to come back, it is only the Yankees fault if they continue to wait on him.

    IMO, they are trying to put pressure on him to make a final decision, by leaking out all these quotes that they are “waiting” on a decision and want to move to plan B but are focused on Andy first. Even Klapisch’s article today talked about how the Yanks were “troubled” that Andy didn’t give them a call yet.

  23. blake January 7th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    12-13 million dollars for one year really is not much of a problem for the Yankees to work into their budget….especially since the 23 million they were going to give Cliff Lee isn’t on the books.

  24. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    RobertGKramer@AOL.Com January 7th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
    @GB7 He played third base that day and started a triple play!

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    I watched him play in a lot of games over the last couple of years and he hasn’t improved at any of the three positions. Any time you have a fielding percentage at .900 over 250 games and keeps making the same mistakes, he’ll take forever to learn. bad hands, bad footwork and a scatter arm.

  25. yankeefeminista January 7th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    It’s taken a long time in the past as was pointed out. & I would think considering we didn’t dump a truckload of cash on Cliff Lee’s precious left arm, that we have plenty of dollars to spend regardless of what we will pay Andy…

  26. West Coast Yankee Fan January 7th, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    I’ll stop criticizing Pettitte when he stops thinking only of himself and realizes that the team that made him wealthy and the teammates he supposedly adores so much would benefit by him making a decision. This wobbly, “move on without me” is not professional. How about a definitive, I am coming back or I am not coming back. Two months is not enough time to make a decision whether or not to take $13 million dollars to play a game for six months?

    It’s called “do the right thing”.

  27. yankeefeminista January 7th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    WCYF, Kind of sanctimonious and fantastic, don’t you think?

  28. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    Amazing when a bunch of “fans” decide they have the right to tell a player when they should play or retire. It’s nobody’s business but Pettitte’s and the Yankees

  29. Rich in NJ January 7th, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    It’s called “do the right thing”.
    __

    That’s what he’s doing. He told the Yankees to move on without him.

  30. blake January 7th, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    WCYF,

    Andy doesn’t owe the Yankees anything. He’s told them to go about their business while he makes a decision, maybe he’s really struggling with it and wants to make sure its the right choice. If I’m the Yankees then I want him to take the time to be sure its what he wants to do and that he’s all in and not just guilted into the decision if he opts to come back.

  31. yankeefeminista January 7th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Paredes DH’ed when I saw him at SI. He showed some nice gap power and ran like the wind.

  32. YsGuy January 7th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    wcyf, thats ridiculous. the man’s put in his time and gets to take whatever time he needs to decide what he’s gonna do. he’s not being favre, going on sportcenter to tell them what he’s thinking this week as opposed to what he told si last week.

    not to mention that since he was leaning toward not coming back a couple of weeks ago, no news is good news as far as a return from him goes.

  33. West Coast Yankee Fan January 7th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    yankeefeminista – just my opinion. Others may disagree. Enough already. I respect Andy Pettitte greatly for his accomplishments as a Yankee, but this isn’t helping the team one bit.

  34. West Coast Yankee Fan January 7th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    Blake and YsGuy. I realize many Yankee fans may not agree with my take on this but that’s how I feel. I do think he owes the team a firm decision. If he’s not sure, then retire.

  35. Your Worst Nightmare January 7th, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Blake……..a few of those Pettitte and Lee dollars toward the pen would fit nicely. Is Cashman seeing how low he can get the payroll in order to get a contract renewal or a bonus ?

  36. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Movey has been set aside to cover Pettitte, so it’s not like he’s stealing anything, and since there is nothing on the market and hasn’t been all off season, why spend money just to because you can? There were exactly two pitchers worth signing and one is Pettitte. As far as trades…one played in the divsion and the other was a huge risk and expensive in talent requirements and salary. Too big a risk to take. Name those other big time pitchers.

  37. blake January 7th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    I would love for Andy to make up his mind and let the Yankees know but I don’t know all the circumstances he’s dealing with. I don’t know his situation with his kids and how he’s wrestling with that, I don’t know how he feels health wise, I don’t know how the Clemens stuff is hanging over his head, etc……..probably not as easy a decision as it seems

  38. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    ***Money*** has been set aside

  39. Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    RobertGKramer -

    I was at that game!!!

  40. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    I’m guessing that he’s been staying in shape and doing most of his normal tossing and still feels it a bit. He won’t take the money if he’s still hurting.

  41. Your Worst Nightmare January 7th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    I am hoping Cashman does ‘move on’ (to what I really don’t know) then if Pettitte decides sometime in 2011 that he wants to come back that Cashman says, ‘sorry Charlie’, we moved on without you.

  42. West Coast Yankee Fan January 7th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    There is nothing on the market only if you are referring to quality free agent pitchers. There are numerous other number one and two pitchers with 26 other teams (excluding the AL east) that might be available in a trade if the package was right. We don’t know who they might be as we are not privy to the internal conversations between Cashman and other GM’s. For all we know there have been deals that Cashman and/or Hal turned down for whatever reason.

    Cashman is betting on the farm system to produce mid to top of the rotation starters. I hope he is right.

  43. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    Paredes may contribute to Houston, but, if I had to make a guess, it’s in the outfield. He’s no infielder.

  44. blake January 7th, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    I think if Andy comes up at the last minute and decides he wants to pitch then the Yankees should have no trouble coming up with the money to pay him for one year….one year deals really are less of a concern in the grand scheme of things.

    I don’t necessarily think Cashman is trying to lower the payroll substantially…..I just think he’s trying to stop the organization from wasting money and trying to make it more efficient so that they can win while giving less money to other organizations.

  45. Rich in NJ January 7th, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    “…but this isn’t helping the team one bit.”

    Your opinion is so far off, it’s ridiculous.

    Pettitte knows that if another decent option presents itself, the Yankees may not be able to pay him what he would otherwise get if he somehow decides to play, yet he is willing to take that risk.

    So he is actually helping the Yankees.

  46. yankeefeminista January 7th, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    Right, it would eat Andy up inside to take money if he can’t produce. He needs to weigh many things, and he really isn’t holding us up.

  47. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    You haven’t got a clue as to what pitchers on what teams Cashman’s talked to. He’s never spilled his guts on a deal yet.

  48. blake January 7th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    Teams aren’t likely to trade a starting pitcher this time of year unless 1) they have excess (as the Rays did with Garza or as the Cubs now do) 2) they are overwhelmed by an offer

    The Yankees don’t want to trade Montero, or their other top prospects unless they are getting a special pitcher back in return and none of those guys seem to be available right now.

  49. West Coast Yankee Fan January 7th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    Well Rich, I happen to think I am right. So there you have it, differing opinions on a sports blog with the difference being I am not personally calling your opinion ridiculous. I respect your right to believe as you will.

  50. yankeefeminista January 7th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    WCYF, you do realize that every major league player was once a prospect, right?

  51. SAS January 7th, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    GB,

    Ryne Duren, now he was special…RIP.

  52. West Coast Yankee Fan January 7th, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    \GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    You haven’t got a clue as to what pitchers on what teams Cashman’s talked to. He’s never spilled his guts on a deal yet.

    ***********

    That is exactly right and that’s what I alluded to. I find it hard to believe though that given the condition of our rotation, Cashman would not have been motivated and able to put together a deal to obtain pitching help. But then again, as I have said repeatedly, the off-season is not over and we will see what transpires.

  53. SAS January 7th, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    Andy will make up his own mind. I want him back in the worst way, but I can’t force him if he is ready to retire.

    I am sure Cashman will make it known to Andy when he needs to make his final decision.

  54. West Coast Yankee Fan January 7th, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    yankeefeminista January 7th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    WCYF, you do realize that every major league player was once a prospect, right?

    ***********

    Of course I do and I hope that Banuelos, Betances, Brackman, Montero, etc., all become high impact contributors.

  55. Against All Odds January 7th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan January 7th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    Cashman is betting on the farm system to produce mid to top of the rotation starters. I hope he is right.

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    If that happens then he comes out smelling like a rose but if it doesn’t…..it is a gamble because pitching is not exactly something he excels at.

  56. Melkmanisinhotlanta January 7th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    “Ryne could throw the heck out of the ball,” Yogi Berra said in a statement released by the Yankees. “He threw fear in some hitters. I remember he had several pair of glasses but it didn’t seem like he saw good in any of them. He added a lot of life to the Yankees and it was sad his drinking shortened his career.

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    Boy now we know why people think Yogi is a moron…talking about man’s drinking problem just after he died.

  57. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    SAS January 7th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
    GB,

    Ryne Duren, now he was special…RIP.

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    SAS, he was quite a character. From what I’ve read on him over the years, it wasn’t easy growing up. He just couldn’t lay off of the booze, but, he never blamed anybody but himself. Houk knocked him out cold on a train from Denver in the minors over something Duran said to a lady. Duran apologized to the lady later on. houk said he was the nicest of guys but a mean drunk. One thing that everyone of his team mates said about him was he protected his hitters and was a good team mate. Sadly, he was so screwed up that he attempted suicide a couple of times, but, finally straightened himself up after the last time. Lord, though he could throw a fastball.

  58. Yank 97 January 7th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    “IMO, they are trying to put pressure on him to make a final decision, by leaking out all these quotes that they are “waiting” on a decision and want to move to plan B but are focused on Andy first. Even Klapisch’s article today talked about how the Yanks were “troubled” that Andy didn’t give them a call yet”

    I think you’re right. They are obviously singing a different tune on-the-record, but I don’t think they are letting him get away with his indecision.

    But how much longer are they going to wait? Do they even know if he has been training or anything? Can’t just come off the couch and get ready. Clemens kept himself in great shape and he still needed a month to get ready to pitch in real games. Not to mention, Andy has all kind of physical problems last year, so who knows how pitching-healthy his body is anyway.

    He doesn’t owe them anything though. He has told the GM not to count on him. It’s Cashman’s own fault if he ignoring that or blindly hoping he will change his tune, while not engaging in other potential deals because he is waiting on something that has a remote chance of happening.

  59. blake January 7th, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    melkmanisntinhotlantaanymorecausehegotcut

  60. Your Worst Nightmare January 7th, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    f that happens then he comes out smelling like a rose but if it doesn’t…..it is a gamble because pitching is not exactly something he excels at.

    =============

    The only problem being is that the ‘help’ more than likely won’t be in 2011. The rotation as it stands now stinks. I hope deep down that Cashman does come out smelling like a rose for the ‘patience’ he has shown. I hope Hal is on board with this long term plan as well.

  61. West Coast Yankee Fan January 7th, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    I think Yankee fans who are passionate about winning have legitimate concerns about this team; even if the off-season isn’t over. It doesn’t warrant being called whiners and other pejorative terms as long as rational reasons are given.

    My reasons for concern are that we have an aging team in certain key positions, 3rd base, shortstop, DH and closer.

    We have a three man rotation for all intents and purposes, with one of those three, AJ Burnett a complete crap shoot. And Nova and Mitre as our number four and five starters are a cause for concern.

    We have little outfield depth and in particular we have no fourth outfielder, preferably a right-handed hitter.

    We have no decent hitting/good defense utility infielder who can spell A-Rod and Jeter.

    I think these are all legitimate concerns on January 7th. Again, I know the off-season has a way to go and I am sure Cashman is doing work internally and hope the solutions are forthcoming and that they are good ones.

  62. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    Melkmanisinhotlanta January 7th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
    “Ryne could throw the heck out of the ball,” Yogi Berra said in a statement released by the Yankees. “He threw fear in some hitters. I remember he had several pair of glasses but it didn’t seem like he saw good in any of them. He added a lot of life to the Yankees and it was sad his drinking shortened his career.

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    Boy now we know why people think Yogi is a moron…talking about man’s drinking problem just after he died.

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    Not a thing wrong with what Berra sad. Duran said the same thing for 45 years. He wasted a potentially great career. He was also almost legally blind without the glasses. Berra’s hardly a moron. Uneducated but not stupid. A very smart man, actually.

  63. blake January 7th, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    If the Yankees opted to not trade prospects to win now and subsequently did not win in 2011 but in doing so aligned themselves to compete long term for many years while staying flexible financially in the process….is that something Yankee fans could live with? or do they absolutely have to appear to be doing everything in the moment to win every year?

    I think the problem is that the Yankees are always trying to do both of these things and in some markets (such as this one) that’s a really tough thing to do.

  64. yankeefeminista January 7th, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan January 7th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
    I think Yankee fans who are passionate about winning have legitimate concerns…
    ______
    That’s an oxymoron. What Yankee fan isn’t passionate about winning? Also, one person’s perception of what helps us win may well be very different than another’s.

  65. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    Pettitte had one injury. It lasted a long time, but, certainly nothing wrong with his arm. Just a deep pull. Where do fools get the “lot of injuries/problems” from is beyond me. Groin pulls for pitchers are hardly unusual, regardless of age.

  66. West Coast Yankee Fan January 8th, 2011 at 12:00 am

    yankeefeminista – you interested in picking apart a sentence or are you interested in addressing the substance of the post I made? I didn’t say what would help us win, I posted the needs we still have to deal with. Do you not agree? If not which ones do you not agree with?

  67. just_another_handle January 8th, 2011 at 12:01 am

    Re: AP

    I heard he sent Cashman a Statler Brothers CD for Christmas with an arrow pointing to the following song:

    “Don’t Wait On Me”

    “When the sun comes up in the West,
    and lays it’s head down in the East.

    When they ordain Madilene O’Hare
    and she becomes a priest.

    When a San Diego sailor
    comes home with no tattoo.

    When the lights go on at Wrigley Field,
    I’ll be coming home to you”!

    And this is what I think has Cashmoney confused. Because obviously the lights have come on at Wrigley Field. No wonder Cash is not sure if he is coming or going.

  68. blake January 8th, 2011 at 12:02 am

    “Ed Wade says the Astros might consider acquiring a replacement for Jeff Keppinger if none of their young infielders can fill the backup role in Spring Training, reports Zachary Levine of the Houston Chronicle.”

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

    Can we interest you in a slick fielding Ramerio Pena…..

  69. Against All Odds January 8th, 2011 at 12:02 am

    # Your Worst Nightmare January 7th, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    f that happens then he comes out smelling like a rose but if it doesn’t…..it is a gamble because pitching is not exactly something he excels at.

    =============

    The only problem being is that the ‘help’ more than likely won’t be in 2011. The rotation as it stands now stinks. I hope deep down that Cashman does come out smelling like a rose for the ‘patience’ he has shown. I hope Hal is on board with this long term plan as well.
    —————————————————

    IMO Hal seems to be on board because it goes hand and hand with cutting payroll. He had to be sold on signing Tex because the money they spent on CC and Aj was a substantial amount. If they didn’t get Tex I think Hal would have been ok with Swisher playing 1st base. We have seen teams like the Patriots taking a beating for a couple of yrs in order to put the team in a better position going forward. Difference is this isn’t football and Cashman isn’t belichickbut if his plan works out than he will he hailed for having the foresight of taking his lumps in order to secure the future growth of the ball club

  70. Rich in NJ January 8th, 2011 at 12:02 am

    “My reasons for concern are that we have an aging team in certain key positions, 3rd base, shortstop, DH and closer.”

    My only concern is that they do something short-sighted. If they have to take a step back in 2011 to be better in 2012 and beyond, I’m fine with it, and would actually prefer it.

    btw, Didn’t you want to give the SS even more money and years, which may have ended up exacerbating your concerns?

  71. GreenBeret7 January 8th, 2011 at 12:04 am

    The one thing the Yankees have in the system is a lot of very good young pitching. Enough that out of the 12 best, 3-4 for of them will make some kind of impact, whether in NY or in a trade to help, but, the one thing they are short on is immediate impact bats. It’s for that reason that they are holding onto these kids to start filling in the gaps instead of dealing them off for 2nd or 3rd rate help.

  72. blake January 8th, 2011 at 12:05 am

    GB,

    They have impact bat (Montero), they need to make that plural ;)

  73. 4time January 8th, 2011 at 12:09 am

    “Pettitte had one injury. It lasted a long time, but, certainly nothing wrong with his arm. Just a deep pull. Where do fools get the “lot of injuries/problems” from is beyond me. Groin pulls for pitchers are hardly unusual, regardless of age.”

    Girardi said after the series, that Andy’s status for a game 7 vs. TEX was in serious doubt because his back was causing him so much pain.

    He also admitted that he pitched through elbow pain in the 2nd half of 2008 (and his 7+ ERA post ASB obviously validates that).

    Would you count on him for 200 innings next year?

  74. Against All Odds January 8th, 2011 at 12:10 am

    # blake January 7th, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    If the Yankees opted to not trade prospects to win now and subsequently did not win in 2011 but in doing so aligned themselves to compete long term for many years while staying flexible financially in the process….is that something Yankee fans could live with? or do they absolutely have to appear to be doing everything in the moment to win every year?

    I think the problem is that the Yankees are always trying to do both of these things and in some markets (such as this one) that’s a really tough thing to do.
    ——————————–

    Oh yea fans could live with that because it would set up a run but I’m sure there would be tons of negativity if the 2011 wasn’t a good one.

    Yes it’s very hard trying to serve two masters. Feed the beast but also develop at the same time. Definitely not easy because you can only go so far in both directions.

  75. GreenBeret7 January 8th, 2011 at 12:14 am

    Blake there are possibilties, but, they are still a couple of years out. Getting a late start on rebuilding the farm system has put the team in a hole, so it’ll take some time. The bats are there, they just need to age. Out of Brewer, Laird, Montero, Murphy, Romine, Lyerly, Mesa, Suttle, Joseph and Heathcott, they’ll pull at least four bats from that group.

  76. TD213 January 8th, 2011 at 12:14 am

    “My only concern is that they do something short-sighted. If they have to take a step back in 2011 to be better in 2012 and beyond, I’m fine with it, and would actually prefer it.”

    Yes, but we all know if they have a down 2011, they will try and make big splashes to assure themselves it won’t happen again in 2012. It’s not like they are just going to put a lot of faith in the kids and hope they perform in 2012.

    TBH, I think Cash is just hanging onto Montero waiting for the next stud pitcher to become available via trade. That seems to be his strategy – hold onto the chips and try and make a splash in July. I wouldn’t get too attached to these prospects.

  77. tyanksfan36 January 8th, 2011 at 12:16 am

    Blake says:

    January 7, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    If the Yankees opted to not trade prospects to win now and subsequently did not win in 2011 but in doing so aligned themselves to compete long term for many years while staying flexible financially in the process….is that something Yankee fans could live with? or do they absolutely have to appear to be doing everything in the moment to win every year?

    I think the problem is that the Yankees are always trying to do both of these things and in some markets (such as this one) that’s a really tough thing to do.

    —–
    I would be fine with the Yankees holding onto prospects if it means we are set for a few years to come. I have confidence in the team but I’m also a realist and know that no team can win every year. I think it would be a bad decision to give up so much just so we can win in 2011 if it means we won’t be set in subsequent years.

  78. West Coast Yankee Fan January 8th, 2011 at 12:16 am

    Rich in NJ January 8th, 2011 at 12:02 am

    “My reasons for concern are that we have an aging team in certain key positions, 3rd base, shortstop, DH and closer.”

    My only concern is that they do something short-sighted. If they have to take a step back in 2011 to be better in 2012 and beyond, I’m fine with it, and would actually prefer it.

    btw, Didn’t you want to give the SS even more money and years, which may have ended up exacerbating your concerns?

    ********************

    Finally, someone who is honest. I applaud you for alluding at least to the possibility that we may be taking a step back in 2011.

    And yes, I wanted Jeter to be paid more as a unique face of the franchise asset. I happen to believe that any budgetary restrictions are arbitrary and I don’t think what Jeter was paid will effect anything substantively. I don’t think the Yankees even noticed the $46 million they wasted on Kei Igawa.

  79. GreenBeret7 January 8th, 2011 at 12:17 am

    4time January 8th, 2011 at 12:09 am
    “Pettitte had one injury. It lasted a long time, but, certainly nothing wrong with his arm. Just a deep pull. Where do fools get the “lot of injuries/problems” from is beyond me. Groin pulls for pitchers are hardly unusual, regardless of age.”

    Girardi said after the series, that Andy’s status for a game 7 vs. TEX was in serious doubt because his back was causing him so much pain.

    He also admitted that he pitched through elbow pain in the 2nd half of 2008 (and his 7+ ERA post ASB obviously validates that).

    Would you count on him for 200 innings next year?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Is 2008 the same as 2010? The groin would obviously have an affect on his back, because of the lack of exercize and the weak groin not allowing him to pitch normally.

  80. SAS January 8th, 2011 at 12:17 am

    Blake,

    I agree with you here. If the Yankees don’t win for a couple of years, and then have shut down pitchers, we are way ahead of the game. No team, not even the Yankees, make the playoffs every year or win the WS every year like some people on here expect.

  81. Hopdevil January 8th, 2011 at 12:18 am

    blake January 7th, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    If the Yankees opted to not trade prospects to win now and subsequently did not win in 2011 but in doing so aligned themselves to compete long term for many years while staying flexible financially in the process….is that something Yankee fans could live with? or do they absolutely have to appear to be doing everything in the moment to win every year?

    I think the problem is that the Yankees are always trying to do both of these things and in some markets (such as this one) that’s a really tough thing to do.

    —————————————-

    The more savvy fans (and it appears current ownership/front office) would be on board with a deep, multi-year approach. Doing nothing but signing top FA’s hasn’t turned out so well…one WS win in the past decade? How many times did the Yanks “win” the off-season during that stretch or go into the season as WS favorites? Probably 7 or 8 out of 10 years. Most of us probably remember the 80′s as well.

    I think the Yanks have a very solid team heading into 2011 season. Favorites on paper? Of course not. In addition to staying healthy (which every team hopes, obviously) many things have to break right for the Yanks in order to win it all. Jeter and Tex having better years…Cano, Swish, Gardner not regressing too far…good AJ showing up…getting at least close to avg production from 4/5 slots in rotation. But that said, they project to win about 90 games – that’s no where NEAR throwing in the towel and calling it a rebuilding/bridge year.

    There is simply no (realistic) starter/reliever/bench player/etc out there at this moment that would significantly change that. Just guys where you’re hoping for upside. At that point why not hope for upside from in-house talent?

    Having the financial muscle to be able to sign the big targets in addition to investing in the development of a top tier farm system is just an unbeatable combo, and frightening to every other franchise out there.

  82. Rich in NJ January 8th, 2011 at 12:19 am

    “Yes, but we all know if they have a down 2011, they will try and make big splashes to assure themselves it won’t happen again in 2012. It’s not like they are just going to put a lot of faith in the kids and hope they perform in 2012.”

    I didn’t mean to suggest that I want them to sign veterans. I want them to let the kids develop. That’s what Cashman said he was going to do. It’s time to live it to his own words.

    “TBH, I think Cash is just hanging onto Montero waiting for the next stud pitcher to become available via trade. That seems to be his strategy – hold onto the chips and try and make a splash in July. I wouldn’t get too attached to these prospects.”

    if he trades Montero for anything less than King Felix, Hanley Ramirez, or Josh Johnson (and maybe one or two others that don’t come readily to mind), I will hate Cashman as much as Randy.

    They need more young impact bats, not less.

  83. yankeefeminista January 8th, 2011 at 12:23 am

    WCYF, Sorry but I didn’t have the percolating energy at midnight to go over your list item by item. However, I will do a truncated and not very in depth version.

    I am not sure why you are citing 3B, SS and closer for the 2011 season. Do you think we are going to make a move this year to replace any of those three? As far as drafting goes, we have been adding SS prospects, most recently Culver and the IFA, Tamarez. As for DH stats, do you know what your average DH produces? Jorge will be fine, probably better than most, and if he isn’t, we will likely add an additional bat. Also don’t forget the Jesus may be in that mix.

    How is AJ more of a crapshoot than some of the other pitchers in our division? Such as Beckett and Lackey who were not exactly impressive last year. I expect AJ to have a much better year; he can’t get any worse. Further, we will get a pitcher if we need one; it is only Jan. 7th. None of these areas concern me yet. & we have trade chips if we are forced to go that route.

    Little OF depth merely means signing a fourth OF, so why the panic there? It is not as if we are replacing any of our 3 OF’ers. There is no way we go into the second without an additional righty bat. We haven’t had a good hitting infielder in years, and I am sure if Nunez can’t fill that role we will find someone else who can.

    The only real concern is the additional starting pitcher. However, we have plenty of time to make moves and the trade chips to make them when and if we choose to.

    The whole point of not trading picks unnecessarily is to be able to fill in w/some homegrown products, get younger, and not get stuck getting locked into contracts like Alex’s.

    … Best response I can muster in the early AM.

  84. Rich in NJ January 8th, 2011 at 12:26 am

    “Finally, someone who is honest. I applaud you for alluding at least to the possibility that we may be taking a step back in 2011.”

    That possibility exists every season (injuries, slumps, underperformances). The key is how you deal with it, but the chances are higher this season.

    “And yes, I wanted Jeter to be paid more as a unique face of the franchise asset. I happen to believe that any budgetary restrictions are arbitrary and I don’t think what Jeter was paid will effect anything substantively. I don’t think the Yankees even noticed the $46 million they wasted on Kei Igawa.”

    When they signed Igawa, they believed (however wrongly) that he would be good for the term of the contract. With Jeter, they may not have that belief, for reasons that have been discussed here ad nausem.

    And btw, They don’t pay luxury tax on $46m, so that’s also different than Jeter’s contract.

    Finally, big contracts usually affect PT. They really can’t afford to play Jeter every day once he stops being productive. It’s different with a pitcher.

  85. West Coast Yankee Fan January 8th, 2011 at 12:43 am

    yankeefeminista – good responses and you too Rich. Thanks for the dialogue. Night.

  86. Jerkface January 8th, 2011 at 12:46 am

    The analysts who know it all are saying $3.5M+ for Hughes. I have to figure at least $2M for Joba and Logan. That’s how I get to the $5.5M figure for the over/under on the three in arbitration. I take it you are going with the under?

    Wave, do you have links to these analysts predictions? I’m curious what they said about that or if it was just one off sentences about it. Arbitration is something I want to look into more in baseball.

  87. 4 NYY January 8th, 2011 at 12:56 am

    Some act like Pettitte has no right to ponder his future. WHY ?

    He’s played a long time, has plenty of $$$ and has earned the right to do as he pleases.

    He’s advised the Yanks to go ahead as if he’s done. Not final, but we’ll see.

    If he comes back, good for him. I’ve always been a fan of his.

    And why is it some again think a pitcher that’s gonna be 20, 21, or 22 this year can’t start in MLB for the Yanks. It’s not like it hasn’t been done hundreds of times.

    Players used to realize that the young guys in spring training were out for there job. Now, it’s all about who makes the $$$ They couldn’t possibly keep a youngster that shines in ST over a guy like AJ making all of his money !!!

  88. 4 NYY January 8th, 2011 at 12:57 am

    Their jobs.

  89. GreenBeret7 January 8th, 2011 at 1:09 am

    When Igawa was signed, it was on the advice of the Pacific Rim scout that the Yankees had, and he was fired a year later. By the way, not only did the Yankees misjudge Igawa, but so did the San Diego Padres, headed by some guy named Kevin Towers. Not all or even most of the blame goes on Cashman.

  90. Triple Short of a Cycle January 8th, 2011 at 1:12 am

    GreenBeret7,

    But in a perfect world wasn’t Igawa’s ceiling like a number 5 or 4 at best starter? Why didn’t they just sign Lilly. Wasn’t he willing to take a discount which is unheard of to play for us?

  91. GreenBeret7 January 8th, 2011 at 1:21 am

    There is no perfect world in baseball. I don’t know what his problem was, but, from the scouting reports everyone had, they all talked about his low 90s (92-93 MPH) fastball, curve and control. They couldn’t all have been wrong. It could have been that he couldn’t get used to the bigger and heavier American baseball. He was able to get away with it for awhile because he was better than most of the minor league talent.

  92. Jerkface January 8th, 2011 at 1:21 am

    But in a perfect world wasn’t Igawa’s ceiling like a number 5 or 4 at best starter? Why didn’t they just sign Lilly. Wasn’t he willing to take a discount which is unheard of to play for us?

    His upside was supposed to be better than that, because he was capable of throwing in the 90s from the left side with a curve and change. On the yankees he was only being asked to pitch like a 4 or a 5, kind of like Vazquez in 2010, but just utterly failed at the role. It just never really came together for him. He didn’t have consistent velocity, his breaking stuff was all up in the zone.

    In the NPB pitches can get away with that because the mentality is to swing away at everything in the zone, and most of those guys are just putting it in play and hoping for it to dunk in. Few guys can really pound the ball, and the guys that can are generally big swingers that you can get to whiff on a change of speed.

    I’ve seen quite a bit of NPB ball and you’d be shocked at the pitches they just fly out on. MLB players would crush.

  93. Triple Short of a Cycle January 8th, 2011 at 1:25 am

    Jerkface,

    So what are your opinions on Yu Darvish? Has he put too much mileage on his arm already? Could he translate to a number 2 guy here? Do you see the Yanks making a run at him?

    Don’t Japanese pitchers only pitch once a week?

  94. Jerkface January 8th, 2011 at 1:34 am

    So what are your opinions on Yu Darvish? Has he put too much mileage on his arm already? Could he translate to a number 2 guy here? Do you see the Yanks making a run at him?

    Don’t Japanese pitchers only pitch once a week?

    -

    They pitch I think every six days, its longer than Americans. Darvish I would definitely go after. He has great control, great stuff, a ton of pitches which are above average. He is young. He has pitched a lot, and at one point even altered his delivery due to injury so he could pitch in the playoffs.

    I’d bid on him if I were the yankees if anything just to get him out of the damn NPB before they run him into the ground.

    I think he will be a better pitcher than Daisuke in the majors. He throws better, has better stuff, and better command. He is also way younger than when Daisuke entered the majors.

  95. Jerkface January 8th, 2011 at 1:38 am

    Here is the scary news for Darvish. They do pitch less often, and perhaps it is not as fatiguing as an MLB game but still…

    http://mopupduty.com/wp-conten.....-table.png

    I would go after him, but I like the idea of getting guys with his stuff that are ready to pitch 200 innings with extensive work against a league that is better than AAA.

  96. Jerkface January 8th, 2011 at 1:41 am

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....ch-counts/

  97. GreenBeret7 January 8th, 2011 at 1:47 am

    The only Japanese starting pitcher that has ever had a lasting amount of sucess after coming to the States has been Hideo Nomo, and I don’t think it’s an accident. Even as relief pitchers, very few have had success that lasted more than 3 or so years.

  98. Jerkface January 8th, 2011 at 2:13 am

    The only Japanese starting pitcher that has ever had a lasting amount of sucess after coming to the States has been Hideo Nomo, and I don’t think it’s an accident. Even as relief pitchers, very few have had success that lasted more than 3 or so years.

    This is true, but I think its not an issue of talent in the NPB. I think there are pitchers and players there that would succeed and maybe even be great in the MLB. The problem is they are all using their prime years in Japan. NPB teams want to hold onto all the japanese players because its their culture and they want to preserve it and they don’t want to dilute their own talent pool just to please MLB. So you have some guys who are throwing like 1500+ innings between High School / College and the NPB and then they might get posted. Then you have look at why are they being posted? If they are good enough in the NPB the team will hold onto them, until it becomes economically unfavorable or they need some money or the player demands out. Or maybe the guys that are getting posted are on their way out already and the team wants to dump them. Or certainly in the case of some of the older guys like Kuroda and Uehara, they want to try their hand at the majors before their career ends.

    Darvish is only 23, which I think is the great opportunity to get him over here at that young age and get him on the major league system. Not a guy that is 28 or 30 or 33.

    I think if you saw a number of japanese pitchers in the MLB minor league system from 18-23, debuting in the majors at 23-24, you’d see a lot better results. That doesn’t change the fact that this is currently NOT happening and thus the yankees should be cautious, but I don’t think Japan should be discounted just because their pitchers don’t tend to last.

    There just aren’t enough players making it over to the majors.

    And I think Japanese relievers can work out, depending on what they bring. There is a guy on the Dragons who is a lefty that throws 94 Iwase, but even if he were posted he’d be 36. Saito came over and was 36 and has thrown 5 very good years.

  99. jacksquat January 8th, 2011 at 2:19 am

    Jerkface January 8th, 2011 at 1:38 am
    Here is the scary news for Darvish. They do pitch less often, and perhaps it is not as fatiguing as an MLB game but still…

    http://mopupduty.com/wp-conten…..-table.png

    I would go after him, but I like the idea of getting guys with his stuff that are ready to pitch 200 innings with extensive work against a league that is better than AAA.

    Wow.

  100. Nick in SF January 8th, 2011 at 2:55 am

    “I think if you saw a number of japanese pitchers in the MLB minor league system from 18-23, debuting in the majors at 23-24, you’d see a lot better results.”

    Only if they were developed by the Twins.

  101. GayleF January 8th, 2011 at 4:06 am

    Isnt that statue of George the same one they have at the Gate 2 entrance at the Stadium?

  102. bardos January 8th, 2011 at 5:39 am

    I used to watch Ryne Duren back in the fifties in Yankee home games broadcast on WPIX channel 11 in NYC. He had two brilliant years as a releif specialist. He used to wear glasses with “coke bottle lenses”.

    I think he had this routine of intimidating opposing teams by always throwing his first warm up pitch way high out of the catcher’s reach and back to the backstop.

    He had an insane fastball and batters would never dig in too close because everyone knew his eyesight was poor.

  103. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 7:03 am

    Here’s my projections :

    CC – 20 wins
    PH- 15 wins
    AJ- 14 wins
    Nova- 10 wins
    Pitcher X (Phelps)- unknown

    Joba- unchanged from last season. Still inconsistent

    The offense- 900 runs

    What do you think ? realistic ?

  104. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 7:11 am

    MTU -

    CC – 21
    PH – 17
    AJ – 15
    Nova – 10
    #5 – 12

    Offense = 925 runs

    Team = 94 wins (WC)

  105. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 7:11 am

    Up from the minors at the half or sooner:

    Montero
    Brackman/Phelps/Noesi
    Laird

  106. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 7:13 am

    Guys who are gonna exceed expectations:

    Nunez
    GGBG
    Grandy

  107. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 7:14 am

    Agreed, and the biggest surprise, and the difference maker, Nunez!

  108. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 7:14 am

    Al-

    Good morning.

    I think you’re a bit optimistic on the # 5 starter.

  109. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 7:16 am

    MTU -

    Well the #5 will be Nova, and the #4 I’m guessing will be Garcia, IMO.

  110. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 7:19 am

    MTU -

    Nova, if he a SP slot, will be much better than some think. Yes, he will have growing pains, but, in the end, he will be a positive contributor.

  111. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 7:20 am

    Al-

    I see.

    So you think Cashman sees Garcia, or the like, as preferrable to a 2nd rookie ?

    How you holding up this AM ?

    Jeter could exceed expectations too.

    And Martin.

    Who will fall short of expectations IYO ?

  112. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 7:23 am

    MTU -

    I really don’t care what people here feel about Cashman, I agree with his not wanting to give up a draft choice in a great draft year, especially to Tampa. We have the guns in SWB to get us to the trade dead line, and at that point, I believe a very good #1 or #2 SP will be available. If that does happen, then I look for a 96 – 97 win season, and the division, rather than the WC.

  113. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 7:26 am

    MTU -

    I believe Tex will be the biggest disappointment, I see him becoming a .265 to .280 hitter at best, and he’ll have to be dropped in the line-up. That’s why I’d rather start him in the #5 hole, to avoid making the move by Girardi more difficult to do, later in the season. I want to see Cano in the #3 spot.

  114. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 7:27 am

    Mike – No sleep last night, the mind is too busy to rest, thanks for asking.

  115. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 7:29 am

    Al-

    You may very well be right about the Yankees depth pulling them thru until the half.

    No idea who may or may not be available at the TD.

    Or if we could obtain them reasonably.

    It looks like the team will be constituted late this OS.

    It might be pretty close to P and C’s reporting this year before the full story is known.

  116. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 7:31 am

    Al-

    I’m tryin’ to use my influence with higher authorities on your behalf.

  117. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 7:33 am

    MTU -

    We may very well see a revolving door approach to the SP, with a prospect coming in from SWB to pitch 2-3 games, then go back, and then the next prospect, and so on.

    It appears most teams have trouble hitting pitchers they haven’t seen before, so their lack of experience could still be a positive to a degree, time will tell.

  118. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 7:34 am

    Mike -

    Every effort is appreciated, and can’t hurt. Did Doreen buy her car?

  119. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 7:35 am

    Al-

    Ideally you want your best hitter out of the 3 hole.

    However, If Tex is not Tex he may not be as good protection for A-Rod at #5 as Robbie.

    We also have to see if Jetes rebounds.

    Not sure if Swish can maintain the higher average either.

  120. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 7:36 am

    Al-

    Yes. Alpine gray AWD Tiguan.

  121. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 7:36 am

    Mike – I need to be more careful, the better half does not like me discussing matters as such.

  122. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 7:39 am

    Al-

    I understand.

    Whatever is best for the 2 of you.

  123. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 7:40 am

    MTU -

    Predictions:
    Jeter .295
    Granderson .278
    Cano .318
    A-Rod .285
    Tex .268
    Posada .245
    Swisher .289
    Martin .263
    Gardner .288

    Montero (if he’s in NY) .277

  124. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 7:42 am

    Mike – By the way, that’s my line-up.

  125. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 7:43 am

    Al-

    All pretty reasonable except a little high on Grandy and Swish, and a little low on Jorge and Martin, and maybe Tex.

  126. Gary January 8th, 2011 at 7:44 am

    BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 7:23 am
    MTU -

    I really don’t care what people here feel about Cashman, I agree with his not wanting to give up a draft choice in a great draft year, especially to Tampa. We have the guns in SWB to get us to the trade dead line, and at that point, I believe a very good #1 or #2 SP will be available. If that does happen, then I look for a 96 – 97 win season, and the division, rather than the WC.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    There is no way this team gets near 96 wins, 90 is going to be a challenge.

  127. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 7:45 am

    Mike – Copy the list, and let’s see where I’m at come October.

  128. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 7:45 am

    Al-

    With Girardi I think the lineup varies by pitcher.

    He likes his matchups and his treasured book.

  129. Gary January 8th, 2011 at 7:49 am

    I see Garza is gone this morning to the Cubs, not that it was ever a real possibility or desire but just another example of other clubs out there dealing to improve their clubs.

    I’ve never experienced another period where the Yanks are just so placid.

  130. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 7:49 am

    Gary -

    You may be right, but, this is my opinion. In years past we’ve gone through a season with worse SP, and won over 100 games, you never know what can, and will happen. I believe the offense, if it turns around, and has a very good year, will play a bigger part in the success, or failure, of this team to remain on top.

    Last year the SP was worse than any one could have imagined, and we came within 2 games of the WS, you never know.

  131. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 7:52 am

    Gary -

    This off season had very little in the way of Yankees needs, other than Lee, and some BP help.

    I see at least one more BP pitcher being added, and a 4th OF, that’s it until trade deadline. We may get a #4 type pitcher as well, if Andy does retire.

  132. Rich in NJ January 8th, 2011 at 7:52 am

    Yu Darvish 128.58

    Nolan Ryan would love him…

  133. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 7:53 am

    Yu Darvish – NYY in 2012! This kid can pitch.

  134. Gary January 8th, 2011 at 7:54 am

    Big Al

    We may differ in our opinion, but to me playing a strategy where the hope is to pickup someone at the TD isn’t what I would expect to be something you could ever bank on. I still expect Boston to get off to a big start and it may be way to late by then.

    Yanks were able to come back in so many games last year in the late innings. You can’t make a living off that and I don’t expect them to repeat that again this year. With the SP worst than last year and no setup man one can speculate that they lose more of those late inning herioc games.

  135. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 7:59 am

    Gary -

    Like I said, you may be correct, and I could be all wet, but, I do believe the offense must turn around a down season, other than Cano, and contribute more this year, and help give the SP more of a cushion.

    After the games are played, and only then, will we know what type of team we have.

    The RS are not as strong as some are making them out to be. They have great potential, but, they also have many, many questions. The team that could surprise eveyone is the Blue Jays.

  136. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 8:03 am

    gary-

    Wether we like it or not this appears to be the hand we have been dealt.

    I was very critical of Cashman earlier but I’ve moved on.

    No point in screwing oneself into the ground over it.

    And Al may be correct. One never knows in baseball.

    Maybe the team will outperform, or there will be positive a surprise at
    a future date.

    If not, it’s Cashman who will be held to account.

    It’s true that he helped build an outstanding Farm.

    Let’s see how good it really is.

    Lot’s of teams want to apply a Yankee tax to everything they do with
    them.

    The prices might be exorbitant.

  137. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 8:03 am

    MTU -

    Where do you believe we’ll finish, and do you have any thoughts on my opinions?

  138. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 8:04 am

    Back later, the mops want to go for a walk.

  139. Carlo January 8th, 2011 at 8:06 am

    For anyone still wondering:

    Plan A – sign cliff lee and then lowball andy pettitte again

    Plan B – hoard cash, massively lower payroll, and pretend like your an ALCS team so improvements aren’t needed

  140. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 8:07 am

    Al-

    That’s a multi-part question.

    As we stand, the projection is for about 90 wins + or -.

    I’ll go with that unless there are some more positive changes.

    I’m not sure if 90 wins or less is a WC team.

    As far as your other opinions which ones in particular ?

    You have offered many.

  141. Gary January 8th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    MTU

    Respectfully, I don’t think Cash gets held accountable. He’s already layed the groundwork

    We made the big play for Lee, but he didn’t want to come
    We aren’t trading our future prospects and draft choices for older establishment players
    We couldn’t force Andy to play
    It was a lean year there wasn’t much out there
    We had some big injuries we didn’t expect

    Could go on an on and write the script from here. Regardless of the outcome to me it’s doubtful anyone lays a glove on him.

  142. Carlo January 8th, 2011 at 8:14 am

    Gary – unfortunately, that looks like the script. Its going to be a grind every single day next year.

  143. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 8:16 am

    Gary-

    If the Yankees are not a competitive team this coming season, and attendance suffers as a result of the plan Cashman has put forth who
    do you think is gonna take the hit ?

    I’m certainly not wishing for anything like that as I want the Yanks to succeed, and I do not think Cashman would be let go but he could
    suffer in the above scenario.

    The Yankees are all about winning and they do not like being on the outside looking in.

  144. Gary January 8th, 2011 at 8:26 am

    MTU

    I’m not a press writer, but I’ll take a shot at the statement if it is an off year which I hope it isn’t.

    It was a year where we had high expectations, but we couldn’t for a number of factors reach those goals. The Yankees have a rich winning tradition and we are dissapointed for our team and our fans. As we look forward now having an additonal year to develop our prospects and a large amount of cash to obtain quality FA’s and players to bring to NY we are fully committed to restore the winning tradition in 2012.

    I think he might take a samll hit, but lives to fight another day.

  145. Rich in NJ January 8th, 2011 at 8:27 am

    No moves are better than bad moves, and apparently, only bad moves are out there.

    Be patient.

  146. upstate kate January 8th, 2011 at 8:29 am

    good morning all
    I was hoping for some cheerful news, like Andy returning…oh well…just another day off the calendar

  147. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Gary-

    No point in debating what may or may not occur anyway.

    The season will unfold and we’ll see what happens.

    Cashman is coming up for renewal relatively soon.

    If his hands are on failure then he’ll be held to account IMO.

    My hope is that we succeed so that doesn’t even become an issue down the road.

    We ought to be able to live with one bad year if it comes to that.

    If there were to be multiple ones (which I doubt) I don’t see Cashman, or any Yankee GM surviving that.

    Above all else, it’s a buisness and the Steins want it to be a successful one.

    That means winning.

    And that’s the bottom line IMO.

  148. pat January 8th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Good Morning.

    There seems to be writer speculation consensus in the last few days that the impending Clemens trial in July is what is holding Andy back from committing to pitch because he doesn’t want to be in the NY spotlight during the proceedings.

    If waiting until the trade deadline in July is the current plan to acquire another starter, Andy until July is better than no Andy at all.

    If the trial gets postponed again, Andy could get the whole season in and if things look to get messy for him or the team, he could walk away with the Yankees closer to a time when another starter might be easier to acquire in July.

    Or all the writers could be wrong and the upcoming trial has nothing to do with his decision at all.

  149. Rich in NJ January 8th, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Cashman should be judged on whether or not Montero, Hughes, and at least two of Killer Bs become very ML good players. It’s about time the system becomes a pipeline for the ML club. Enough with the rotisserie stuff.

  150. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Rich-

    I expect he will be.

    ;)

  151. Gary January 8th, 2011 at 8:41 am

    MTU, fair enough. Hope they do well we will see as you said.

    Doreen, after the NY post interview with Andy I don’t expect to hear from him for awhile. Hopefully the Yanks got his message and are moving forward.

  152. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 8:42 am

    MTU -

    It appears the consensus is a 90 win year.

    Then I’m guilty of being the eternal optimist, for I believe we’ll be better than that.

    If this team can only manage 90 wins, it’s almost certain to mean a 3rd place finish, which I hope will not be the case.

    Cashman, I believe will add another SP, another BP pitcher, and a RH OF bat, Jones perhaps. The problem with Jones, he’s all or nothing, either getting the big hit, or making out. The advantage with Jones, he can still play the field, but, he’s not the best RH hitter available, about a .235 hitter, Thames is a much better hitter, but, he’s play in the field leaves one on edge every time a balls hit to him.

  153. Rich in NJ January 8th, 2011 at 8:42 am

    I actually think playing for the Yankees would give Andy cover during a trial. Playing for the Yankees is a circus anyway, and his teammates would have his back.

    He would have one press opportunity and then move on.

    The mediots would whine, but hey, that’s their job.

  154. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 8:46 am

    I don’t quite understand how the trial would be such a huge distraction. Andy is only going to be asked to repeat what he already testified to before Congress, that while playing golf with Roger, he mentioned using drugs, how long can that take, one or two days?

  155. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Al-

    Projection systems are just that.

    The team could exceed them. It’s certainly not unprecedented.

    Your optimism may indeed be justified.

    I hope it is.

    It’s also possible, maybe even likely, that Cashman will add some pieces which may affect the projections.

    As far as Jones vs. Thames, I say we clone the 2 to make one all around good one.

    ;)

  156. pat January 8th, 2011 at 8:47 am

    “If the Yankees are not a competitive team this coming season, and attendance suffers as a result of the plan Cashman has put forth who do you think is gonna take the hit ?”

    About 10 people before Cashman unless Hal has been opposing Cashman’s decisions this off-season all along and Cashman has been saying “Trust me” alot in closed door meetings.

  157. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    pat-

    Maybe. But Cashman won’t escape blame if the team flounders.

    No matter how much he tries to deflect it.

    He is the Architect and everyone knows it.

    Some of those fingers will be pointing squarely at him.

  158. austinmac January 8th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Cashman has been very testy lately because he knows by his own admission last off-season was not good and this one looks worse. If this team struggles, and I very much believe it will, who else besides Cashman is answerable. They just gave Girardi a new contract so he is safe.

    He said pitching, pitching, pitching was his plan. Well, that plan clearly failed. Yet, many simply say he tried, and so what if the team isn’t successful this year, look at the glorious future with our prospects. Even those optimists should realize under that scenario, their future will be less than the Royals, Rays and those other teams with higher rated farm systems.

    The Yankees have won in the last 15 years because they would spend to fill any needs. Now, with a business model more like other teams, that advantage will be disappearing. So will the success, and following that is significant economic losses. The entire economic structure of the Yankees depends on winning.

  159. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    MTU -

    If the majoriy of fans think the team will stink, then they can only be happily surprised if they exceed those projections.

    On the other hand, if the RS fans fans are buying into their team being the reincarnation of the 1927 Yankees, they’ll need a ton of crying towels to pass out at their games.

    It seems home town fans worry the most about their own team being too weak, while the opposition fans seen to think your stronger than you are. I think I got that right.

  160. joeman January 8th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    # blake January 7th, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Apparently Pettite has told the Yankees not to wait on him…..it’s really not his fault if they didn’t listen. They should be going about their business as if he’s not playing and then if he does then that’s all the better.
    ——————————————————————-
    said he wasn’t coming back a 6 weeks ago, when will you people listen to me….right on about Lee just wrong team, had the AG trade right, just saying….thougt A Jones was a good fit for this team last year but was shot down by the almighty GB
    —–

    ask me I’ll tell you

  161. Rich in NJ January 8th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    “I don’t quite understand how the trial would be such a huge distraction. Andy is only going to be asked to repeat what he already testified to before Congress, that while playing golf with Roger, he mentioned using drugs, how long can that take, one or two days?”

    I don’t think it will be a huge distraction, but there will be a very big difference (potentially anyway) from what you saw before Congress: cross examination and having to look at Clemens when he testifies.

    Going up against a skilled litigator with your former bff staring at you, with his rep at stake, will not be a fun experience.

  162. pat January 8th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Al

    There seems to be thought that Andy has never been questioned about what he said because it was a deposition and not live testimony.

    Clemens lawyers are going to have to attack his credibility and that could get more invasive than chatting about PEDs on a golf course.

    MTU

    The only finger that really matters belongs to Hal. The rest is just noise.

  163. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 8:55 am

    Back later ……….

  164. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 8:55 am

    Al-

    I think you do have that right.

    The Yankees might be considerably better than people are projecting, and the Sux won’t be the second coming either.

    :)

  165. Rich in NJ January 8th, 2011 at 8:55 am

    “The entire economic structure of the Yankees depends on winning.”

    Yet sometimes the best way to win over five or ten years is to take a step back for one or two years.

  166. BoJo January 8th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Good morning Al et al (always wanted to say that)…

    Another day closer to the baseball season!

  167. MTU January 8th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Pat-

    That’s right. And if his buisness suffers as a result of Cashman’s decisions where do you think he’s gonna point that finger.

    ;)

  168. Doreen January 8th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Good morning.

    Perhaps, Andy would be hesitant about moving his family north for the season with the trial going on. They knocked on his door in Texas to see whether he was going to pitch this season.

    Why make it any easier for the NY press to have access to his family?

    Perhaps it is not the distraction for him that gives him pause, but how it might upset his family. It is going to be bad enough even if he’s not playing.

    pat -

    That’s an interesting take on things – Andy through July then a TD pick-up.

    In hindsight, his best retirement scenario came after being the winning pitcher in the 2009 WS.

  169. Rich in NJ January 8th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Unless Cash told Hal (and Hank) to wait on Lee’s decision while they were pushing him to give up the ghost and sign Crawford or Werth, I seriously doubt there’s a problem.

    They need to start developing pitchers so they no longer have their future dependent on the whims of the Cliff Lees of the world.

    There really is no other enduring answer.

  170. BoJo January 8th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    Doreen–

    Personally, I am glad Andy pitched in 2010 and went to the All Star game ifhtat was his last season…he went out knowing he was still on top of his game.

    I do hope he cmes back though–he seems to be getting wiser and better with age.

  171. blake January 8th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Joeman,

    Has Lee signed with Texas yet?

    Rich,

    Yes, no moves are better than bad moves.

  172. BoJo January 8th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Rich–

    Agreed. Cashman’s strategy of developing internally may or may not be right, but at least play it out to find out.

  173. austinmac January 8th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Fingers will absolutely be pointed if the team suffers economic losses from a team decline. One thing is certain, an 85 win team will result I severe economic consequences.

    The Red Sox fans are loyal, but all reports indicate financial decline last year because then team didn’t make the playoffs. That’s why they spent this winter.

    Winning breeds money. Steinbrenner knew it as he knew off-season excitement was good for the Yankee brand. I doubt the unenthusiastic fan base they now have is doing the same.

  174. joeman January 8th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    # blake January 8th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Joeman,

    Has Lee signed with Texas yet?

    Rich,

    Yes, no moves are better than bad moves.
    —————————————————————-
    Phil got into that very late otherwise he was a Ranger..no thoughts ever of being a Yankee

  175. YsGuy January 8th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    the writers have absolutly no insight into andy’s thinking, so they speculate. and they pretty much group-think. one guy says ‘it must be because of the trial’ and the others fall in behind him, ‘yeah the trial!’
    the fact is that none of them has any more idea now what andy is thinking than they did at thanksgiving.

    here’s my winter review so far;
    the lee offer was ridiculous and the yankees are lucky he didnt take it.
    crawford and werth were not in the yankees interest
    wood would have been a big sign, but he wanted to go elsewhere
    you dont give up a draft pick plus millon$ for an eight inning guy
    the rays werent offering garza or anyone else the yankees way.

    all sensible moves or non moves that are in the best long-term interests of the yankees. just because a bunch of impatient people want a shiny new toy and they want it now, you dont make any moves that are not in the long-term interest.

    i want them to bolster the rotation and im sure they’re working on that, but i dont want to give up jesus and 2 pitching prospects to get one and that looks like the going ante to get into the discussion.

    im sure the front office knows this and is behind cashman all the way.

    its not sexy to stand pat but in a seller’s market, that’s been the right move for the Yankees to this point.

  176. BoJo January 8th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    YsGuy January 8th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    i want them to bolster the rotation and im sure they’re working on that, but i dont want to give up jesus and 2 pitching prospects to get one and that looks like the going ante to get into the discussion.

    im sure the front office knows this and is behind cashman all the way.
    ++++++++++++
    You’re sure they know what you want? Now that’s a FO that cares!

    Please let them know I want Cashman and Boras to work out a 3 way deal to bring Soriano here on a 1 year deal where we keep our picks.

  177. YsGuy January 8th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    “Fingers will absolutely be pointed if the team suffers economic losses from a team decline. One thing is certain, an 85 win team will result I severe economic consequences.

    The Red Sox fans are loyal, but all reports indicate financial decline last year because then team didn’t make the playoffs. That’s why they spent this winter.”

    the consequences were so severe that they had a quarter billion laying around to spend this winter….lol

    do people actually read the crap they post?

  178. YsGuy January 8th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    bojo, good point, bad edit.

  179. YsGuy January 8th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    so if the yankees only win 85 games this year, they will go on a spending spree next year…now there’s a revalation…

  180. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Rich & Pat -

    Thanks for that input on the trial, that makes more sense than the way I was looking at it.

  181. BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    I believe the Yankees will go hard after Yu Darvish, any thoughts?

  182. joeman January 8th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    # BIG AL January 8th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    I believe the Yankees will go hard after Yu Darvish, any thoughts?
    ————————-
    100% correct

  183. Frankg January 8th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    The Yankess will regret the Berkman trade for several reasons. First, they should have traded for Oswalt. They needed a good starting pitcher then and more so now. Second, Berkman underperformed and wasn’t a strong force. He appeared to be out of shape. When the Cards signed him this winter, they required him to be in shape as a contract condition. Third, Melancon was effective—3.12 ERA. Peredes has potential. More than Reggie Corona who the Yankees protect on their 40-man for some reason. The Yanks received little value, and gave up too much potential.

  184. randy l. January 8th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    the yankees pay the most for offense, but usually lead the league in hitting or are among the leaders.

    the yankees pay the most for pitching, but are usually middle of the pack .

    it’s pretty obvious that the yankees don’t do as good a job with pitching as with offense.

    this is not going to change this year.

    the yankees have the choice of continuing what they have been doing with pitching and getting the same results or they could replace the people who have produced middle of the pack pitching for the past 10 years .

    letting cashman continue producing middle of the pack pitching, especially when he spends 3-5 times as much as teams that routinely beat the the yankees in era each year, is totally absurd.

    he simply doesn’t get results with pitching and no one can come up with stats that he does.

    he simply doesn’t know pitching.

    2011 will continue to prove this.

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