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Availability and opportunity

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 07, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees should use the money they didn’t spend on Cliff Lee to sign Rafael Soriano. That seems to be the newest line of thinking, certainly within the fan base and possibly within the front office.

It would be a lot of money to spend on an eighth-inning guy — and I’m not as down on the in-house options as some folks — but with an aging closer and obvious room in the budget, building an insanely good bullpen makes some sense. Imagine having last season’s end-of-the-year bullpen for the entire season. That would shorten the game quite a bit.

That said — if only to look at this thing from the outside in — I can’t help wondering if that the Yankees might be at a disadvantage in the Soriano sweepstakes. Yes, Scott Boras has said Soriano would be open to pitching the eighth inning for the Yankees, but there are two bits of caution that come with that story.

1. When has Boras ever ruled out the Yankees? No matter Soriano’s preference, it’s obviously in his best interest to keep the Yankees in the mix.

2. Being open to pitching the eighth inning for the Yankees does not mean Soriano puts that job on the same level as closing elsewhere. Offered equal money to setup in New York or close elsewhere, which would he choose?

There are quite a few back-of-the-bullpen types available, but all of them could look for at least the potential to slide into the closer role. It’s already been reported that Brian Fuentes prefers a team that will put him in the ninth, and let’s face it, there are few teams with the ninth-inning more locked up than the Yankees.

Lee and Kerry Wood have already signed elsewhere simply because they preferred a different situation, not necessarily because they preferred a different offer. In wondering what moves the Yankees could make in these last few weeks of winter, the other side matters. The Yankees might have to offer a little more to convince someone to take a lesser position.

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125 Responses to “Availability and opportunity”

  1. YankeesNmore January 7th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    “The Yankees might have to offer a little more to convince someone to take a lesser position.”
    ————————————————–
    Yes, but if Brian Cashman signs a guy who is obviously healthy and good, it’s tougher for him to convince people he’s a genius.

  2. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Offer more.

    Yes that might be true.

    Question is, “Is that worth it ? ”

    I say we just offer AP 15-16 mill.

    Way better option IMO.

  3. mick January 7th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Does this guy have to sign before Andy decision to keep the price down?

  4. Rich in NJ January 7th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    “Offered equal money to setup in New York or close elsewhere, which would he choose?”

    I think Mo is showing signs that he will need more rest and may be better off not closing every game. (and certainly no more 4 or more out saves).

    So I could see Soriano choosing the team where he would have the chance to play in the WS every year and beat the hideously offensive RS.

  5. Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    MTU -

    I was never comfortable starting the fire. And when we used to use it, my husband spent all his time tending it. We looked into getting the automatic start or whatever you call it. We didn’t pursue it, and I don’t recall why.

    I have AWD in the MDX – it does come in handy in the snow.

    Big Al -

    Not to my husband, it wasn’t. He said it was up to me, but I know when I’m being given a false choice. ;)

  6. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Doreen-

    Ours is Gas Log with autostart so we cheat.

    ;)

  7. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    Andy.

    15 Mill baby.

    Come and get some love.

    :)

  8. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    MTU January 7th, 2011 at 9:13 am
    Doreen-

    Ours is Gas Log with autostart so we cheat.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I can see your family now. Fireplace burning, roasting nuts and things, singing along with Nat King Cole, “Chipmunks Roasting On An Open Fire”.

  9. Rich in NJ January 7th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    I really don’t understand why Pettitte doesn’t know, at this point, whether or not he still wants to pitch.

  10. pat January 7th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Answering the door in your PJs and finding a reporter from the NY Post there asking what you plan to do in the future probably had Pettitte thinking “this is what I don’t miss about being in NY”.

  11. Tom in N.J. January 7th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    During the blizzard a couple of weeks back, our furnace crashed. And no repair man would come for ‘a few days’. So I made like a lumber jack and axed down a few trees on my property. Nothing like the look on your neighbors when he sees you dragging a tree across your yard at 6am!

    Home ownership is fun! Expensive, yet fun.

  12. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    GB-

    A very romantic Utah setting dontcha’ think ?

    At least we don’t toss in our golf clubs to keep the fire goin’ like Randy.

    ;)

  13. upstate kate January 7th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Rich
    I could see that also. As an admittedly biased Yankee fan, I think who wouldn’t want to play for them?

    MTU
    We also have a gas fireplace. Our old house did not have one, and after living thru an ice storm when we had no power for a week, we decided that and a gas stove were necessities.

  14. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Tom-

    LoL.

    Way to show them woosies.

    :)

  15. Rich in NJ January 7th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    upstate kate
    Rich
    I could see that also. As an admittedly biased Yankee fan, I think who wouldn’t want to play for them?
    __

    Believe it or not, I edited the words “admittedly biased” from what I originally typed!!!!

  16. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Harold Reynolds of MLB Network may have made St. Louis fans throw up last night when he suggested (in the wake of a report that Albert Pujols will not do a new deal during the season and will instead go to free agency next winter if a new deal is not reached before the start of Spring Training) that a great fit for the slugger would be the (gulp) Chicago Cubs. They have a ton of money and only signed Pena for 1 year.

    It got me thinking – Albert Pujols as the DH for the Yankees? Would you be willing to shell out that kind of coin for a tremendous player you don’t really need?

    On other notes:

    If they bring him back it sounds like Justin Christian is doing enough in Winter Ball to justify a crack at the 4th OF spot – if not him, perhaps the Parraz guy. On the flip side, Ramiro Pena’s play may be why the Yankees were looking at Jeff Keppinger (who is not an option due to an injured leg that will require surgery)

  17. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Kate-

    I always knew you were a smart cookie.

    ;)

  18. DocTodd January 7th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    This off season has sucked.

  19. Gonezilla January 7th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    All good points but the X factor is Mo’s performance this year. Coming to the Yanks as the designated 8th inning guy might lead to closing sooner or later. Perhaps a reasonably front-loaded contract with an incentive for a certain number of saves would lure Soriano. It would provide more than fair market value for his talent, recognize that he has closer talent, and acknowledge that the job is his to lose should Mo be unable to fulfill his role for any reason.

  20. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Q&A with catcher Tony Sanchez, compliments of MLB-Rumors-R-Us.

    http://mstucko.wordpress.com/2.....-quick-qa/

  21. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Chip-

    I’m on the Justin Christian bandwagon.

    Love to see him get another shot.

    :)

  22. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    MTU January 7th, 2011 at 9:28 am
    Chip-

    I’m on the Justin Christian bandwagon.

    Love to see him get another shot.

    ———–

    I try not to put too much stock in Winter numbers (or Spring Training ones for that matter) but you can’t deny the kid has played well. Like Chad said, not sure what his status with the Yankees is though.

  23. austinmac January 7th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    MTU,

    Please don’t talk about romantic getaways with GB. It is disturbing. :)

  24. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Gb-

    Or Maine.

    Who still hasn’t quite figured out that smoking meat usin’ cowpies for
    fuel just might not work out.

    ;)

  25. austinmac January 7th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Can it really be true that Pettitte doesn’t know or that Cashman hasn’t called and said “Andy, we really need to know. We can work out the finances if you return”? Yet, Cashman continues to say he has no communication. Very strange indeed.

  26. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Austin-

    Sorry about that it was unintentional.

    :)

  27. Joe from Long Island January 7th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Good morning – It was a rough week, so I’m taking a kinda snow day here.

    1. Yanks should def. go for Soriano, in addition to whatever SP moves they make and whatever Andy decides. They have the available resources, and as Chad pointed out, a strong pen for a whole season (barring injuries, of course) pays enormous dividends. I really came to love Kerry Wood on the team, for both his talent and his character. Too bad he wanted to go back to Chicago, but I can understand his reason.

    2. Alfredo Simon is in a boatload of trouble. Whatever happened there, he’s in a lot of trouble. Amazing, how someone can grow up from childhood, and they make bad decisions. I’ve seen this so often, I just shake my head.

    3. yank61 – from last thread – it sounds like you’ve got a lot of experience with many different cars, from many manufacturers. It drives home the point, that everyone’s experience can be so different, depending on the unknowns of each vehicle.

    I currently drive a ’97 A4, now with 178k miles on it, and it’s time to look around. That’s why I’ve been following Doreen’s quest so closely. I like the AWD in the northeast. Like the saying goes, not to go offroad, but to stay on it. In my line of work, I have to be able to drive in all sorts of weather.

  28. BIG AL January 7th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    GB7 -

    You’ve been peeking in MTU’s window again.

    MTU – As I said yesterday. Justin Christian should get his shot. He has all the tools, appears to be healthy, and would be less costly than the has-been FA’s available. Also, Christian has + speed, and gives you yet another weapon on the bases.

  29. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    actually these are the Yankee Minor League FA’s

    RHP: Jason Hirsh (AAA), Ronny Marte (Hi A), Jonathan Ortiz (Hi A), Zack Segovia (AAA), John Van Benschoten (AAA)
    LHP: Wilkin de la Rosa (AA), Jose Quintana (Lo A)
    C: Ronny Calderon (R), Jose Gil (Hi A), Robby Hammock+ (AAA), P.J. Pilittere+ (AAA), Rene Rivera (AA)
    1B: Brian Baisley++ (AA), Myron Leslie (Hi A)
    3B: Marcos Vechionacci (AA)
    SS: Eric Bruntlett (AAA)
    OF: Justin Christian (AAA), Edwar Gonzalez (AAA), Reid Gorecki (AAA), Rudy Guillen+ (Hi A)

    PJ is already gone, Gil and Marte have been re-signed. I would like to see them bring back Hirsch, Vech and Christian

  30. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Al-

    You’re preachin’ to the choir on Christian (Strange sentence. Even coming from me.)

    :)

  31. austinmac January 7th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Chip,

    Am I wrong that Vechionacci has agreed to play in Japan or was that only a rather pathetic dream?

  32. Yankee Trader January 7th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    From Mlbtraderumors-

    Rafael Soriano would join the Yankees as a setup man, but as of last night the Bronx Bombers weren’t interested in the Scott Boras client, according to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney (on Twitter). Soriano “would have to make himself absurdly cheap” on a one or two-year deal before the Yankees would even consider him, Olney writes.

    Smoke screen or reality.

    At this point I’d be really surprised if Pettitte comes back. All he can tell Cashman is move on without me. Guess he has trouble with saying, “I’m retring.”

  33. BIG AL January 7th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    MTU -

    Talk later, got an appointment for truck service.

  34. ac1 January 7th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    I’m not saying go out and be like Theo and sign everyone you can, but this team has holes (some significant ones) and they do need to be fixed. They will have a hard time convincing 50000 fans to overpay and fill a stadium with Sergio Mitre starting.

  35. Gary January 7th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    The other thing about Soriano that doesn’t get much mention is that Mo is after all 40 and he has had some injuries. Much has been said about this setup role, but in the space of one pitch it might be a much different situation. Mo goes down who’s the closer? I don’t see many options.

  36. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 January 7th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    well the thought of Andy is his PJs made me smile ( sorry just being honest lol)

    If he didnt want to pitch wouldnt he just say no already so people would leave him alone? ( im trying to stay optimistic)

  37. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Staying healthy has been Christian’s problem since signing on as a non-drafted FA back in ’04 coming out of the independent leagues. He can hit enough and plays solid defense. What he does best is steal bases at a highly successful rate of 88%.

  38. austinmac January 7th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Why haven’t the Yankees addressed the OF and bench situation? Is that money dependent on Pettitte as well? Clearly, options to address these areas are going away or virtually gone now.

    I am beginning to think Cashman wants to show the world he can build a team significantly relying on internal parts. He better feel very secure in his job. If the team follows that philosophy and tanks, look out. That will cost the team far more money than a player or two.

  39. Mike Ri January 7th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    I?m not saying go out and be like Theo and sign everyone you can, but this team has holes (some significant ones) and they do need to be fixed. They will have a hard time convincing 50000 fans to overpay and fill a stadium with Sergio Mitre starting.

    ——————-Ac1———

    Agree 100 percent ! . Ac1

  40. Erin January 7th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Happy Friday everyone. :)

    This has been the longest week ever.

  41. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Austin –

    I have absolutely no idea. You could well be right on that.

  42. RadioKev January 7th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Not that I hate Soriano, but there’s also the concern if he’ll perform as well as a set up man. Now that’s he’s been a dominant closer, will he be able to bring that intensity to the set up role? It’s not a sure thing.

  43. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    GB-

    Chrisitian is an excellent baserunner. He proved that in his short time with the Yanks.

    I think I recall one game where he stole second and third in the same inning ?

  44. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Vechianocci has signed with Japan. De La Rosa, Ortiz, Rivera, Segovia are signed in other places.

  45. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    austinmac January 7th, 2011 at 9:47 am
    Why haven’t the Yankees addressed the OF and bench situation? Is that money dependent on Pettitte as well? Clearly, options to address these areas are going away or virtually gone now.

    I am beginning to think Cashman wants to show the world he can build a team significantly relying on internal parts. He better feel very secure in his job. If the team follows that philosophy and tanks, look out. That will cost the team far more money than a player or two.

    —————-

    I tend to agree – I would like to see Brian be a little more aggressive on the market but the problem with filling the Yankee bench is the same that it has always been – players look at the starting nine and don’t see any place to compete for playing time or where their at bats are going to come from. A guy like Eric Hinske or Ty Wiggington or Bill Hall wants to play somewhere that they know they’re going to do more than play with sunflower seeds 5 days a week.

  46. Gary January 7th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Austinmac, the offseason of 2009 was pretty bad, the offseason of 2010 is shaping up to be just as bad. Everyday we hang waiting for some news and then it’s just another day off the calender. I’m not convinced that they have a workable strategy at this point and the good face spin that they put out there isn’t really masking the significant level of concern they have. I think they are willing to push a button, but there aren’t any to push.

    Water over the dam, but the wheels came off with the Lee deal, it unmasked that there really wasn’t a viable plan B out there.

  47. Erin January 7th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    NYY626 – Andy in 2011 January 7th, 2011 at 9:46 am
    well the thought of Andy is his PJs made me smile ( sorry just being honest lol)

    ******************************

    LOL :)

  48. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 9:50 am
    Vechianocci has signed with Japan. De La Rosa, Ortiz, Rivera, Segovia are signed in other places.

    ———-

    Thanks for the update.

  49. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    MTU, 7 steals, 1 caught in 24 NYY games. He can provide anything the Yankees need from a 4th or 5th outfielder.

  50. Joe from Long Island January 7th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    I don’t think Cash is on any sort of personal quest. He’s been around long enough to know the score – make the playoffs and make more money for the Steinbrenners. I really think (my own opinion) that a lot of the public non-action is a combination of not wanting to overpay a player’s worth, and negotiating stance/doing the dance with the agent. (Just like Boras is doing the dance with his comment about Soriano being willing to for Mariano.)

    Remember, the season doesn’t start for a while. You don’t get extra wins for assembling your team early.

  51. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    GB-

    I’m sold.

    Let’s get him !

    Oh wait a minute. We already own him.

    :)

  52. Gary January 7th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Remember, the season doesn’t start for a while. You don’t get extra wins for assembling your team early.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    Joe, respectfully I think it’s the other way around. Last minute decisions and acquisions usually don’t work out.

  53. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Question: Who is talking out of their rear? Olney who says the Yankees have no interest in Soriano or Heyman who says they do?

    On the one hand – Heyman is Boras’s mouthpiece and so he reports that the Yankees are in on every Boras client (living or dead).

    On the other hand – Buster works for ESPN and the next time ESPN “Insiders” get something right it will be the first time.

  54. Chuck58 January 7th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Hi, Erin :-) It sure HAS been a long week! [Seems like 2 or 3, for sure!]

    Always did like that Justin Christian. Hope he can stay healthy [and work in as a backup OF/ emergency 2B].

    PJ went free agent, and now is gone, Chip? Where did he land?

  55. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    MTU January 7th, 2011 at 9:55 am
    GB-

    I’m sold.

    Let’s get him !

    Oh wait a minute. We already own him.

    ——————

    Nope, he’s a FA. Which means he may go to a worse team where he’s got a shot to compete for a bigger role than that of 4th OF.

  56. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Chuck -

    PJ signed with Arizona.

  57. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Chip-

    You answered your own question.

    Both.

    They get paid to do it too.

    Nice racket.

    Maybe you should try it ?

    :)

  58. Erin January 7th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Hi Chuck!

  59. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Chip-

    I stand corrected.

    Then let’s really get him !

    ;)

  60. Gary January 7th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Chip

    Hard to say, the agent should have a good read on the situation, but they also have an agenda to get out there.

    The newcaster gets paid to make news, but depends on his sources who may also have their own agendas and or not be close to the action.

    Basically you take anything as a grain of salt.

  61. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    MTU January 7th, 2011 at 9:59 am
    Chip-

    You answered your own question.

    Both.

    They get paid to do it too.

    Nice racket.

    Maybe you should try it ?

    ——————

    I am now reporting – with great certainty – that the Yankees will not sign Cliff Lee or trade for Zack Greinke

  62. Rich in NJ January 7th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    “Question: Who is talking out of their rear? Olney who says the Yankees have no interest in Soriano or Heyman who says they do?”

    I don’t view the “reports” as being contradictory.

    Heyman parrots Boras’ spin; Olney is repeating the Yankees’ negotiating position.

    It’s all about price, as it always is unless a team is desperate, as the Yankees were with Lee.

  63. Yankee Trader January 7th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Saw Roberto Alomar on The MLB channel. He looks to be in great shape and at 42 is one year younger than Omar Vizquel. Get him out of retirement on a one year deal. He came up as a SS and probably would offer more than the remaining FA’s left out there!!!!!!!!!

  64. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Gary January 7th, 2011 at 10:01 am
    Chip

    Hard to say, the agent should have a good read on the situation, but they also have an agenda to get out there.

    The newcaster gets paid to make news, but depends on his sources who may also have their own agendas and or not be close to the action.

    Basically you take anything as a grain of salt.
    ———————–

    Fair enough.

  65. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Chip-

    Good job !

    Can you tell me ?

    Will the Sun come up tomorrow or not ?

  66. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Rich in NJ January 7th, 2011 at 10:02 am
    “Question: Who is talking out of their rear? Olney who says the Yankees have no interest in Soriano or Heyman who says they do?”

    I don’t view the “reports” as being contradictory.

    Heyman parrots Boras’ spin; Olney is repeating the Yankees’ negotiating position.

    It’s all about price, as it always is unless a team is desperate, as the Yankees were with Lee.

    —————

    Gut feeling – will Soriano be a Yankee?

  67. randy l. January 7th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    “At least we don’t toss in our golf clubs to keep the fire goin’ like Randy.”

    mtu-

    gb7 who starts his fires with C4 gives new meaning to chestnuts exploding on an open fire.

  68. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    MTU January 7th, 2011 at 10:03 am
    Chip-

    Good job !

    Can you tell me ?

    Will the Sun come up tomorrow or not ?

    ————————

    Yes and I predict it will rise in the….*letting the tension build*….in the EAST!!!!

  69. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 January 7th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Erin January 7th, 2011 at 9:53 am
    NYY626 – Andy in 2011 January 7th, 2011 at 9:46 am
    well the thought of Andy is his PJs made me smile ( sorry just being honest lol)

    ******************************

    LOL
    __________________________________
    hah i didnt mean it in a gross way, I just thought it was adorable. Hey did you or Doreen ever read the Posada book?

  70. Rich in NJ January 7th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    “Gut feeling – will Soriano be a Yankee?”

    Yes.

  71. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Randy-

    Whoa ! Really ? I didn’t know that about him.

    Good thing I’m almost on the other side of the country from GB’s BBQ’s.

    :)

  72. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    I would also like to point out how happy I am that Pavano is going back to the Twins – I was starting to worry that people were serious when they suggested the Yankees should sign him.

  73. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Chip-

    Damn you’re good !

    ;)

  74. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Rich in NJ January 7th, 2011 at 10:06 am
    “Gut feeling – will Soriano be a Yankee?”

    Yes.

    —————

    I find myself starting to agree.

    I don’t know if I agree with the move – but I agree that it will probably happen.

  75. Erin January 7th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    NYY626 – Andy in 2011 January 7th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    hah i didnt mean it in a gross way, I just thought it was adorable. Hey did you or Doreen ever read the Posada book?

    *************************
    Oh, I know. It is adorable. :)

    I did read the Posada book-I loved it. I’m such a girl though-it made me tear up several times. lol

  76. Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Gary,

    I’ve mentioned it at least three times in the last month that Mo is handled differently now and Soriano (or whoever) might get more save opportunities than one might initially assume. I don’t think it’s something anyone really wants to contemplate – that Mo may not be “Mo” for much longer.

    In fact, Mo isn’t the same Mo – he is older and he isn’t used in the same way he was earlier in his career and they are much more careful about how and when he’s used – they give a whole lot more thought to it, at least.

    The only thing is this: as good a closer as Mo is, he doesn’t usually have the most saves or save opportunities in the league. The Yankees offense has been a friend to Mo, in that they lessen the wear and tear. How many times have we seen Mo in a game just to get his work in? I bet it’s more than a lot of closers.

    So, Soriano could look at that and determine that while there may be some opportunity to close games in NY, it’s not going to be a lot. Maybe NY will get lucky and no one else really makes an offer. One can dream.

  77. Gary January 7th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Gut feeling – will Soriano be a Yankee?

    ___________________________________________________________

    Totally dependent on where their head is at right now. If they feel they need to get that impact player still out there to negate the failures of the offseason and to balance some of the acquistions of the other teams yes

    However if the startegy is to stand pat, control budgets and maybe make some deal down the road they won’t

    Who knows what they are thinking right now.

  78. Erin January 7th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Chip January 7th, 2011 at 10:07 am
    I would also like to point out how happy I am that Pavano is going back to the Twins ? I was starting to worry that people were serious when they suggested the Yankees should sign him.

    ***************************
    Me too! I never, ever want to see Idle in pinstripes again.

  79. Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    2009 off-season wasn’t bad while it was happening. It’s only been after the 2010 season began and things played out that anyone could say that the 2009 moves worked or didn’t work.

  80. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 January 7th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Erin – I cried reading it too. It was very touching. And I loved Jeter/Tino tidbits.

  81. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    NYY626 – Andy in 2011 January 7th, 2011 at 10:05 am
    Erin January 7th, 2011 at 9:53 am
    NYY626 – Andy in 2011 January 7th, 2011 at 9:46 am
    well the thought of Andy is his PJs made me smile ( sorry just being honest lol)

    ******************************

    LOL
    __________________________________
    hah i didnt mean it in a gross way, I just thought it was adorable. Hey did you or Doreen ever read the Posada book?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Do the PJs have horses, 6 guns and Sheriff’s stars on them or teddy bears and candy canes on them?

  82. Yankee Trader January 7th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Gut feeling – will Soriano be a Yankee?
    ————————————–
    No, and now I’m not feeling the love from Pettitte either.

    Gut feeling- Soriano will go to the White Sox, who will then put lefty Chris Sale in the rotation, and try and unload Edwin Jackson’s remaining year.
    2nd possibility is he goes to the Angels.

  83. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    One more note on the Hall of Fame -

    This is how screwed up the voting is. Last night they were talking about next year’s class being weak (Ruben Sierra made the list as “guy who might get consideration”) and the feeling was that because the list was so weak – Barry Larkin stands a great chance of jumping up and getting in next year.

    Really? So to make the Hall of Fame you don’t actually have to be a Hall of Fame player you just have to be up against a group of guys even less deserving than you?

  84. Gary January 7th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Doreen, I agree we have talked back and forth on the same point. I think it’s a good fit.

    I expect that he goes elsewhere, things haven’t been going the Yanks way this offseason.

  85. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Yankee Trader January 7th, 2011 at 10:11 am
    Gut feeling – will Soriano be a Yankee?
    ————————————–
    No, and now I’m not feeling the love from Pettitte either.

    ————–

    I’ve been pretty sure Andy was retiring since the end of the playoffs.

  86. ac1 January 7th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    truthfully if they dont get their rotation straight, it won’t matter if we have a set up man or not, because we wont be leading games in the 8-9 inning.

  87. Chuck58 January 7th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Erin – not even Pinstriped PJ’s? ;-) hahaha [just kiddin']

    Speaking of PJ’s: Chip – thanks. Guess he’s another that might find his way with Towers.

  88. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    If I’m Cashman I ask Scott-the-above-slot to give me the right of last refusal on Soriano.

  89. 108 stitches January 7th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    It’s not etched in stone that Rafael Soriano would be strictly the EIG. Different games – - different situations and conditions. He would be the co-closer with Mariano in most cases. Nether pitcher would have overuse.
    The bigger question is how the bullpen is managed in innings 5-6-7 and on days when Soriano has pitched too often and needs a day off. Girardi has done a good job in managing the bullpen over the past few years.
    Scott Boras knows time is getting close and available teams for the services of Soriano and now few.

  90. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    By the way – I’m not arguing as to whether or not Larkin deserves to be in the Hall – my argument is based purely on the notion that the reason he’s going to get in is because the guys up for the first time next year are so bad.

    I think Larkin and Raines will and should both be in.

  91. Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    NYY626 -

    I started the book, but then my parents’ visit and Christmas interrupted. I should get the chance to sit down with it starting next week. I’m looking forward to it!

    :)

  92. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Pilittere was just a useful system catcher. No real skills except for defense. He’ll make a good coach in a few years, though.

  93. MLink January 7th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    I heard from another board someone has a very very very reliable source.. yankees trade montero and joba dodgers trade billingsley and broxton.. i hate that trade myself ..what do you guys think?

  94. Erin January 7th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Chuck58 January 7th, 2011 at 10:13 am
    Erin ? not even Pinstriped PJ?s?

    ************************
    Pinstriped PJs would be very appropriate. In fact, every Yankee should have a pair of pinstriped pajamas. ;)

  95. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    I’d do Joba for Broxton even up.

    Wouldn’t trade Montero for Billingsley even in my WORST nightmare.

  96. Fran the original January 7th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Good morning from Florida. It’s in the 60′s here and I’m out of the snow in NY for the weekend :)

    I am still waiting to see Cashman’s Plan B. The Yankees still need an 8th inning pitcher and having Soriano would lock down the late innings.

  97. randy l. January 7th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    “Good thing I’m almost on the other side of the country from GB’s BBQ’s.”

    yeah, once people go try gb7′s C4′d chestnut roasting party at christmas , very few show up for his fourth of july cookout.

  98. Chuck58 January 7th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    That’s what I was thinking, GB, regarding PJ. Might actually be good for him to be in a new system, see things from a different perspective – help him become a better coach someday.

  99. Gary January 7th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 10:11 am
    2009 off-season wasn’t bad while it was happening. It’s only been after the 2010 season began and things played out that anyone could say that the 2009 moves worked or didn’t work.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    Usually we agree, but respectfully on this one I’ll grab the other side:

    Nick, we moved him once before. History showed he had injuries in the past so it came as no surprise. Even when he wasn’t injured he dod nothing, the guys time has passed.

    Javy, when he left he was terrible, I expected more of the same when he returned. He didn’t dissapoint.

    Curtis, a left handed bat who couldn’t hit left handers in a league where the Yanks stack their lineup with lefthanders and opposing teams stack themselves with left handers to negate the advantage. The Yanks needed a all around player like a Hamilton or Bernie in CF. I never thought we would get it from Curtis and his .241 BA was about what I expected.

  100. Crawdaddy January 7th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    “I don’t view the “reports” as being contradictory.

    Heyman parrots Boras’ spin; Olney is repeating the Yankees’ negotiating position.

    It’s all about price, as it always is unless a team is desperate, as the Yankees were with Lee.”

    Rich,

    If the Yankees were desperate with Lee then how come they didn’t go the extra mile with money in regard to him such as 7/161M?

  101. Chuck58 January 7th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    haha! Erin, I was referring to taking Idle back, in Pinstriped PJ’s ;-)
    I agree, though, we all should have Pinstriped PJ’s.
    That would be special :-)

  102. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Randy-

    Including GB I would think.

    :)

  103. YsGuy January 7th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    i’ve been thinking that this soriano thing is sure to end in more dissapointimet. i dont think he’s serious about being the yankees eig, he’s just working it for more money. and the yankees are, and should be happy to oblige, because they might be able to price him right out of the division. but i dont see him in pinstripes.

  104. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    I would think a guy like Rauch as way more likely than Soriano.

  105. Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    GB7 -

    Gonna miss PJ’s name in the lineup card when I go to Trenton. He was a fixture there.

    Chip -

    Did you read Posnanski’s article that pat linked to yesterday? Makes a very well-written point about voting players into the HOF. If not, here it is:

    http://joeposnanski.si.com/201.....l-of-fame/

  106. metalhoops January 7th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    So Soriano would put Joba back in the rotation?

    I’m into it. Also sign one more starter and and we’re good to go.

  107. Erin January 7th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Chuck58 January 7th, 2011 at 10:20 am
    haha! Erin, I was referring to taking Idle back, in Pinstriped PJ?s
    I agree, though, we all should have Pinstriped PJ?s.
    That would be special

    ******************************

    Oh, my bad.

    One person who should never get a pair of Pinstriped PJs is Pavano. He doesn’t derseve them! ;)

  108. Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Gary,

    Wow – disagree on the very basic level on all those moves. :lol:

    Nick Johnson, I figured was a DL stint waiting to happen, but NEVER figured he’d miss almost the entire season. I thought it was a fairly good gamble, since Damon was a fool and Matsui was smart.

    Javy Vazquez, I always thought got a raw deal the first time around, but that’s irrelevant to me. I saw a guy who was a Cy Young candidate who was being asked to be a #4 or #5 starter, basically, and just give innings. Again, it depends on expectations, and I didn’t expect Cy Young from Javy, just the innings (which he’d been fine with since he left NY the first time – I sort of followed his progress).

    Curtis Granderson, well, I’ve just always liked him as a player and I think he’ll acquit himself well in the long term as a NY Yankee. I’d take a chance on a player like him all the time. Plus, even if he didn’t hit for average, it was not poor thinking to believe he could hit a few HRs to RF at Yankee Stadium. I do believe his early season injury set him back a bit; but I was encouraged that he took the initiative to try to fix things during the course of the season, and I hope the “fix” sticks. He was very, very good in the playoffs, too.

  109. Erin January 7th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    For those interested, a little scoop on Swisher’s upcoming appearance on Better With You:

    Any scoop on Nick Swisher?s upcoming part on Better With You? ? R.C.

    I wouldn?t get my hopes up too high about seeing Joanna Garcia cross paths with her new husband on the show. Jennifer Finnigan told EW on the People?s Choice Awards red carpet that she and Josh Cooke are the only characters who get to work with him. (But the episode has yet to be filmed, so plans could always change.)

    http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/01.....-spoilers/

  110. Chuck58 January 7th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Nope. I agree. Idle = Pajamaless ;-)

  111. Erin January 7th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    YankeesWFAN On a snowy day in NY, warm yourself with this: Yankee pitchers and catchers report in 38 days.

  112. DocTodd January 7th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    What bugs me the most about this offseason is the Red Sox target a guy and strike quickly….done deal period….everything the Yankees do is drawn out, they hem & haw,they court & consider guys for weeks….frustrating

  113. mick January 7th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    What bugs me the most about this offseason is the Red Sox target a guy and strike quickly….done deal period….everything the Yankees do is drawn out, they hem & haw,they court & consider guys for weeks….frustrating
    ==================Because they were further away from being whole?

  114. Fran the original January 7th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Doreen, I thought Vazquez was a good move last year too because he was coming in to be a back of the rotation starter. I thought with a lot less pressure on him he would make a very good addition to the rotation.

  115. Joe from Long Island January 7th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Hi Gary – I agree with your point. Waiting until the last minute is often risky. I’m only saying that making deals on January 7, as opposed to later in the offseason, doesn’t get you ahead in the standings. I think we can both agree that the important thing is not the timing, but making the moves that ultimately work out.

  116. upstate kate January 7th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    enjoy the warmer weather Fran :)

    I really wanted Javy to do well, and was hopeful he could.
    NJ was an injury waiting to happen, and certainly not Cash’s 1st or 2nd choice.
    I really like Granderson, and expect to see a better year from him.

    Chuck
    the idea of Pavano pajamaless is just wrong!

  117. Against All Odds January 7th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Joe from Long Island January 7th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Remember, the season doesn’t start for a while. You don’t get extra wins for assembling your team early.

    ————————————————

    True but the foundation of the team is reinforced during the off season. I’m not saying that Cashman should sign everyone under the sun but they do have holes to fill.

    I do think Brain wants to show the baseball world that he doesn’t need the payroll to be 200 million in order for them to win. With that being said I don’t think he would pass on a great player he wanted if it meant going over the budget

  118. yanks61 January 7th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    3. yank61 – from last thread – it sounds like you’ve got a lot of experience with many different cars, from many manufacturers. It drives home the point, that everyone’s experience can be so different, depending on the unknowns of each vehicle.

    I currently drive a ’97 A4, now with 178k miles on it, and it’s time to look around. That’s why I’ve been following Doreen’s quest so closely. I like the AWD in the northeast. Like the saying goes, not to go offroad, but to stay on it. In my line of work, I have to be able to drive in all sorts of weather.

    ———————————————————

    Joe in Long Island, I completely understand, having lived in the New York are until the age of forty! Winter weather in northern France is usually pretty mild, but now I kind of regret not having bought the AWD version of the A4.

    I never drove outside France on business trips. Always flew or, preferably, took the train and then taxied around whatever town I happened to be in. I did get some good tips on cars from taxi drivers I got to know.

    One guy in Amsterdam, with whom I was pretty good friends (he was my steady driver whenever I visited), drove a new Mercedes. He said his first Mercedes diesel lasted him a million kilometres and all he ever did was the usual service. I don’t think they make them like that anymore!

  119. Erin January 7th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    New Post: On second thought

    :arrow:

  120. Chuck January 7th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Is Christian Christian?

  121. YsGuy January 7th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    less than a week left on pavano, i wonder how high the bidding will go, cashman’s still got a chance…

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Carl-Pavan.....5641e7dd00

  122. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Doreen, Pilittere really was another coach at Trenton. He worked a lot with both Montero and Romine, even though it cut back on his playing time, usually with him being the designated 7 day DL guy, even at his age. always hoped that he would get at least one game in the majors. Really was the ultimate team guy. Jose Gil and Mitch Abeita (coming up from Tampa) might be another of that kind of player. Pilittere and Gil could have left long ago but stuck it out. Christian seems to be that kind of guy, too, but he does have really useful skills. Love the way he plays. The one guy that the Scranton crowds will love, though is Daniel Brewer.

  123. Chuck58 January 7th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    No, he’s Justin!

    Kate, haha! YOU imagined him, not me ;-)

  124. randy l. January 7th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    so cashman has to overpay by tens of millions for a 8th inning guy because he didn’t develop joba properly. interesting.

    i can see it now:

    one of the three starters the yankees do have goes down for two months in may. joba who hasn’t thrown more than 39 pitches in two years is stretched out in 3 weeks going from 28 pitches to 118 in 4 starts.

    when joba blows out his shoulder for good in august, jerkface will proclaim he had thrown in the bullpen to up his pitch count on the week he went from 28 -81 pitches , and that under no circumstances was there anything wrong with how joba was stretched out and that billingsley and kershaw didn’t throw hardly any innings at triple a either.

    *the washington nationals then in the off season sign joba chamberlain after the yankees non tender him.

  125. Latroy Farnsworth January 7th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    ?ABSURDLY CHEAP??!?!?!?! You have got to be absolutely kidding me!!!!

    The only person that is ABSURDLY CHEAP this offseason is Brian Cashman. I?ve said it before and I?ll say it again, when is this guy going to have his feet held to the fire?!?!?! If George was still around NO CHANCE IN HELL the Yanks would only be interested in a player like Soriano if it was ABSURDLY CHEAP. He can go on and on about Joba and Robertson being ?set up men? but let?s be real here. Robertson is no set up man, he?s a 6th/7th inning guy. I?m not saying he?s not any good but that?s just the kind of pitcher he is and is most effective. And Joba the Hut?!?!? C?mon man the Yanks can only hope and pray that he remotely becomes the player that he was in 2007.

    If this is the way Cashman is going to continue to do things this offseason and Pettitte retires you all will see the Yanks finishing 3rd in the division behind Boston and Baltimore. Yes, Baltimore because unlike certain teams (Yankees) they?ve actually gone out and improved their ball club and aren?t afraid to spend money.

    So go ahead Cashman continue to try to and live out your wet dream of a running a ?money ball? team here in the Bronx and see how far it gets you. But seriously will someone please explain to me why Cashman continues to get a free pass and isn?t being called out for not going after players that recorded 45 saves last year and had 1.73 ERA that are open to setting up for Rivera?????

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