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Rays send Garza to the National League

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 07, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

One of the few teams in baseball with more than enough starting pitching, the Rays have agreed to trade Matt Garza to the Cubs for a collection of young players.

Headlining the prospects package is right-handed starter Chris Archer, who was just days ago ranked as the Cubs top prospect by Baseball America. Archer was touted as having two plus-plus pitches — a mid-90s fastball and a big slider — and BA suggested he could develop into either a front-line starter or a closer.

The rest of the package included SS Hak-Ju Lee (the No. 4 Cubs prospect), OF Brandon Guyer (Cubs minor league player of the year), C Robinson Chirinos (Cubs best defensive catcher who hit 18 homers last year) and OF Sam Fuld (injury prone fourth outfielder type). The Rays will also include a minor league pitcher and minor league outfielder.

That’s not a small package of players coming from Chicago, especially in terms of depth and proximity to the big leagues. If you’re wondering, yes, I think the Yankees could have matched and exceeded that package pretty easily, but it would be hard for me to imagine the Yankees sending a group like that within the division. Same with the Rays sending a player like Garza to New York. It just doesn’t seem likely.

As for the Cubs, Gordon Wittenmyer makes the case that adding Garza makes it easier for the Cubs to trade away a starter, but not from the Ryan Dempster-Carlos Zambrano crowd that might help the top of the Yankees rotation. Instead, it seems more likely that the Cubs would be willing to part with Andrew Cashner, Randy Wells, Carlos Silva, Tom Gorzelanny or Jeff Samardzija. Those five bring various levels of immediate talent and long-term upside — and one of them might be able to help the back of the Yankees rotation — but they’re not the kind of pitchers who are going to slide in behind CC Sabathia or make the Yankees no longer want Andy Pettitte.

For the Rays, dumping Garza clears some payroll and makes it easier for Jeremy Hellickson to find a spot in the Opening Day rotation.

UPDATE, 12:43 p.m.: Fernando Perez is the outfielder going from Tampa to Chicago. (tip of the hat to MLBTradeRumors)

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95 Responses to “Rays send Garza to the National League”

  1. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Chad – if the Yankees were able to get Andrew Cashner I would be shocked and delighted.

    I think it’s more likely that they’ll move Gorzo into the pen or try to deal Carlos Silva.

    Silva’s got one year at $11.5 left on his contract – he wouldn’t cost a team a lot in terms of prospects. I could see a fit there with the Mets.

    Maybe something like Silva for Luis Castillo. Cubs save some money in the deal and Castillo can compete with Blake DeWitt for the starting 2b job.

    Mets get rid of Castillo and add a guy who would slot into the middle of their rotation – plus he should do pretty well in that massive park.

  2. Dee January 7th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    I wouldn’t mind taking Gorz as a Lefty at the back of rotation. I still dream of acquiring Sean Marshall and turning him into starter, but I’m guessing Gorz is much more likely. Plus, it helps that he has a relationship with Rothschild.

  3. YsGuy January 7th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    wcyf is right, there are trades to be made out there. everything has a price its just a question of whether you are willing to pay it.

    you can bet that any prospective yankees trade starts with jesus and digs deep from there. to say there are deals to be made is correct. to assume that any of them are actually worth the price is an entire.y different thing.

  4. Jerkface January 7th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    to say there are deals to be made is correct. to assume that any of them are actually worth the price is an entire.y different thing.

    I think rational people are saying there may not be deals at the yankees price. Of course near anyone can be acquired for the right price, that doesn’t make them options.

  5. spidanyc January 7th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    I?m no fan of AJ Burnett, but is Carlos Zambrano that much better than AJ? If i?m not mistaken, Zambrano makes around $15 million per and is a headcase, but it seems as if the Cubs can get rid of him without picking up any money towards his contract and getting decent-to-good prospects in exchange, while the Yankees can?t give away AJ for free.

  6. Chad Jennings January 7th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    I agree Chip. Cashner would obviously be the young prize of that group, but I don’t expect the Cubs to trade him unless they get big league talent in return.

    I’m with you that Silva and Gorzelanny are most likely to be moved — either in a trade or to the bullpen — but I don’t think either one makes much sense for the Yankees.

  7. blake January 7th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Chip,

    Its not a huge blow to the Rays because they did have 6 viable starters but Garza is better than both Nielmann and Shields…….

  8. randy l. January 7th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    “Headlining the prospects package is right-handed starter Chris Archer, who was just days ago ranked as the Cubs top prospect by Baseball America.”

    where would archer have been ranked if he were in the yankees organization?

    he’s going to be 22 this year and has only pitched a handful of games above high A ball.

    we’re talking about garza who arguably would be a #2 with the yankees.

  9. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    With about 8 starting pitcher options for the Cubs, you can bet that Rothschild is determining whether pitcherrs like Randy Wells can return to close to his 2009 numbers or not. Perhaps Gorzelanny can be rebuilt. Still, a Zambrano/Dempster/Garza type would be better.

  10. West Coast Yankee Fan January 7th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    It’s easy to sit here and say no, too much money, not good enough, post stats.

    The bottom line is we have a lousy rotation right now with Nova and Mitre and the crap shoot that is Burnett; we cannot compete in the AL east with that group.

    We lost Wood and have no competent shut-down eighth inning option, no right-handed hitting fourth outfielder (what happens if/when one of our three go down), and no utility infielder that can hit worth a damn to spell A-Rod and Jeter (who will get more and more days off).

    Being in charge, being the boss means get the job done.

  11. blake January 7th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    WCYF,

    What do you propose they do?

  12. Jerkface January 7th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    he’s going to be 22 this year and has only pitched a handful of games above high A ball.

    Well he obviously wouldn’t be #1 or #2 I think, but he might be a top 10 guy even on the Yankees. Average age of AA is 24, and he atleast had 70 pretty good innings in AA.

  13. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    The Cubs are going to have to take on a huge part of Silva’s $14 mil guaranteed contract. He’s not worth half of that.

  14. Jerkface January 7th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    The bottom line is we have a lousy rotation right now with Nova and Mitre and the crap shoot that is Burnett; we cannot compete in the AL east with that group.

    The Yankees will always compete. Please look at the slop rotations the yankees have competed with. The yankees are not going to just stop playing hard because they don’t have 5 aces. They will compete, even if Mitre is in the rotation.

    I do think Andy is going to come back though.

  15. NYYROC January 7th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Always thought Garza looks a lot like Count Chocula. I think he also holds the unofficial record for most spitting in game, he’s like a sprinkler.

  16. Mike Ri January 7th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    MEAT TRAY !! ughhhhh

  17. blake January 7th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    The Yankees still have one of the best pitchers in baseball overall and one of the best young pitchers in baseball as their #1 and 2 no matter what else happens this winter…..many teams would love to have those two guys.

  18. BobbyCA January 7th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    WCYF is right. This team looks terrible for competition in the AL East. Cashman you buffoon go get Soriano ! Forget about Pettitte, let’s move on !!

  19. 108 stitches January 7th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    Jim Hendry is in a payroll slashing mode. Zambrano or Dempster are likely candidates even if Hendry has to accept a partial amount of a contract.
    Better than waiting until 7/31 and take a chance that another contender swoops in. That’s past the halfway mark in the season.

  20. blake January 7th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    I think the Cubs would love to move Zambrano if they could, especially now that they have Garza atop their rotation.

  21. West Coast Yankee Fan January 7th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    blake January 7th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    WCYF, What do you propose they do?

    ******************

    Blake the season is not upon us, maybe it will all work out. I have hope.

    As to what they should do, it’s not my job to know that or predict any particular move. That’s just guessing and speculation. It’s impossible to do without being privy to the behind the scenes talks between Cashman and other GM’s. I don’t know what offers have been made to Cashman or what he has reached out about.

    It’s Cashman’s/Hal’s job, excuses don’t matter.

  22. ac1 January 7th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    i dont get people yelling about the rotation then adding they need to get soriano. i also want soriano, but he doesnt help the rotation.

  23. blake January 7th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    WCYF,

    I understand that but also for all we know there may be absolutely nothing out there that doesn’t involve the Yankees being ripped off.

  24. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Blake, taking Zambrano and Fukudome off their hands is why I brought it up. That’s $31 mil for this year alone. He could be moved somewhere to the west coast that at least 4 teams have need for a corner outfielder. Get the Cubs to pay 1/3rd of his remaining $13 mil and NYYs to pay 1/3rd and deal him for a couple of youngsters. Ricketts has a lot of debt to pay off.

  25. blake January 7th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Soriano could help the rotation indirectly by making it possible for Girardi to use his situational and short relievers earlier in games if needed. Obviously the best way to help the rotation is to strengthen the actual rotation but if that can’t be done then an overly strong bullpen is a nice alternative at this point.

  26. ML January 7th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    WCYF,

    If you don’t want to speculate, then stop posting here. That’s all we can do as fans is make educated guesses. You’re in 1980′s Steinbrenner mode: “The Red Sox have won the winter. Do something! Anything! Now!” That attitude leads to bad trades that hurt the team down the road.

    Would I like to see the Yanks add a starter? Sure. But I think The Cash Man is wise to be patient and not overpay in prospects for anything less than an ace (let’s face it, no aces are available right now).

    ac1, the idea of adding soriano would be to make the bullpen so strong that we can reduce games to six inning affairs like the 96 team. Doesn’t make the rotation better, but it makes the team better by reducing the number of innings needed from the starters.

  27. Nick in SF January 7th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    If Cashman was a smart GM he would have convinced Tampa that the Yankees aren’t division rivals and then acquired Garza for less than the Cubs gave up.

    But he’s not. :mad:

  28. blake January 7th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    GB7,

    but that would leave the Yanks taking on 20+ million dollars in payroll for Zambrano in 2011 wouldn’t it if they are taking his salary plus 1/3 of Fukudome’s. I would want the Cubs to eat some of Zambrano’s contract before I’d move for him.

  29. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes January 7th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    I’m starting to become extremely frustrated by Pettitte.

    Make a decision dude, you’re a grown adult.

  30. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes January 7th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Nick in SF,

    I never seem to see you much on here anymore.

    How is everything?

  31. BIG AL January 7th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    BobbyCa or Vineyard Yankee -

    Which ever name your usung on the blog today, good move plagiarizing Chad’s post, and using it on the Dailey News blog.

  32. ML January 7th, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    I don’t want Zambrano. He’s a hothead and a selfish player who has been declining for years.

    Those who want Rothschild to figure out which Cubs pitcher he can turn around should be careful what they wish for. Rothschild’s personal relationships with these players may blind him to their flaws and lead him to think he can turn around pitchers who may just not be good enough.

  33. West Coast Yankee Fan January 7th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    blake January 7th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    WCYF, I understand that but also for all we know there may be absolutely nothing out there that doesn’t involve the Yankees being ripped off.

    ************

    We don’t know that, it’s all speculative. But the Yankees have chosen to play in this world, paying top dollar to get players, trading prospects to fill needs, this is their mise-en-scene. It’s nothing new that teams and agents try to get a great payoff from the rich guy. This isn’t goin to change anytime soon and it’s obvious you can’t build a championship team long-term only with homegrown players.

  34. Mike Ri January 7th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    The Mad Prince in Pinstripes
    ——————————————–
    I?m starting to become extremely frustrated by Pettitte.

    Make a decision dude, you?re a grown adult.

    ————————————————————

    I’m heading down the same road ! .

  35. West Coast Yankee Fan January 7th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    ML January 7th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    WCYF, If you don’t want to speculate, then stop posting here. That’s all we can do as fans is make educated guesses. You’re in 1980?s Steinbrenner mode: “The Red Sox have won the winter. Do something! Anything! Now!” That attitude leads to bad trades that hurt the team down the road.

    Would I like to see the Yanks add a starter? Sure. But I think The Cash Man is wise to be patient and not overpay in prospects for anything less than an ace (let’s face it, no aces are available right now).

    ac1, the idea of adding soriano would be to make the bullpen so strong that we can reduce games to six inning affairs like the 96 team. Doesn’t make the rotation better, but it makes the team better by reducing the number of innings needed from the starters.

    **************

    Speculate all you want, did I say anything about what you do? No. I do a bit of it but generally choose not to.

  36. Nick in SF January 7th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    Hey Mad Prince, my LoHud time has become more limited in recent months, but I do try to keep up when I can.

    Things have been going well, how about with you?

  37. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    blake January 7th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
    GB7,

    but that would leave the Yanks taking on 20+ million dollars in payroll for Zambrano in 2011 wouldn’t it if they are taking his salary plus 1/3 of Fukudome’s. I would want the Cubs to eat some of Zambrano’s contract before I’d move for him.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    It’s only an extra $4.4 mil for Fukudome and it would reduce the damage in prospects, plus getting a couple back for Fukudome that could be turned over to the Cubs or kept. just trying to find something that appeals to both or more teams and makes sense. None is totally appealing, but, that sure helps NYYs rotation a bit more.

  38. Latroy Farnsworth January 7th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    ?ABSURDLY CHEAP??!?!?!?! You have got to be absolutely kidding me!!!!

    The only person that is ABSURDLY CHEAP this offseason is Brian Cashman. I?ve said it before and I?ll say it again, when is this guy going to have his feet held to the fire?!?!?! If George was still around NO CHANCE IN HELL the Yanks would only be interested in a player like Soriano if it was ABSURDLY CHEAP. He can go on and on about Joba and Robertson being ?set up men? but let?s be real here. Robertson is no set up man, he?s a 6th/7th inning guy. I?m not saying he?s not any good but that?s just the kind of pitcher he is and is most effective. And Joba the Hut?!?!? C?mon man the Yanks can only hope and pray that he remotely becomes the player that he was in 2007.

    If this is the way Cashman is going to continue to do things this offseason and Pettitte retires you all will see the Yanks finishing 3rd in the division behind Boston and Baltimore. Yes, Baltimore because unlike certain teams (Yankees) they?ve actually gone out and improved their ball club and aren?t afraid to spend money.

    So go ahead Cashman continue to try to and live out your wet dream of a running a ?money ball? team here in the Bronx and see how far it gets you. But seriously will someone please explain to me why Cashman continues to get a free pass and isn?t being called out for not going after players that recorded 45 saves last year and had 1.73 ERA that are open to setting up for Rivera?????

  39. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
    The Cubs are going to have to take on a huge part of Silva’s $14 mil guaranteed contract. He’s not worth half of that.

    ——————–

    You send him to the Mets for Luis Castillo and his $6 mil.

    Mets get a viable mid rotation starter for a 1yr $8 mil commitment. I think Alderson would go for that.

  40. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Blake-

    You have said that you thought Garza is better than either Shields or Niemann.

    I agree on Shields but not necessarily on Niemann.

    My question is this ?

    Given that, why do you think they dealt Garza
    rather than Shields ?

    He would seem to be the guy to move.

  41. blake January 7th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    MTU,

    My guess is because Garza had a lot more trade value.

  42. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Chad Jennings January 7th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
    I agree Chip. Cashner would obviously be the young prize of that group, but I don’t expect the Cubs to trade him unless they get big league talent in return.

    I’m with you that Silva and Gorzelanny are most likely to be moved — either in a trade or to the bullpen — but I don’t think either one makes much sense for the Yankees.

    ——————–

    Chad -

    I agree 100%.

    Silva and Gorselanny would be disasters on the Yankees.

    Wouldn’t mind getting Sean Marshall though if the Cubs needed to make room in the pen for one of them though.

  43. West Coast Yankee Fan January 7th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    ML:

    “let’s face it, no aces are available right now”.

    ************************************

    How do you know that? We are not privy to what goes on internally. Can you say assuredly that we haven’t been offered an ace or number two but Cashman and/Hal didn’t want to pay the price? We don’t that.

    Maybe if Hal had demonstrated a better ability to judge talent , I would be more inclined to feel confident as to what he might do or turn down. It was easy for him to hand checks to Sabathia, Burnett and Teixeira. When it came time to be creative and to assess talent — he gave us Chan Ho park, Nick Johnson, Javy Vazquez and Randy Winn.

  44. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Garza’s more of a loose cannon than Shields or Neimann.

  45. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    MTU January 7th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
    Blake-

    You have said that you thought Garza is better than either Shields or Niemann.

    I agree on Shields but not necessarily on Niemann.

    My question is this ?

    Given that, why do you think they dealt Garza
    rather than Shields ?

    He would seem to be the guy to move.

    ————-

    Sheilds has cost certainty – he’s locked up until 2014. Garza was going year by year and those years were starting to get expensive.

  46. RS January 7th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Trading Garza is going to weaken the Rays this year. They still have 5 good starters, but 3 of them have a year or less of experience starting in the majors. And starting pitching depth was the only thing they could hang their hats on with virtually no bullpen or offense outside of Longoria.

  47. blake January 7th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    Also, Garza is probably going to get expensive if he continues to pitch well as he goes through the arbitration process.

  48. CB January 7th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    This was a very good trade for the the Rays. It’s not that far off from what the Royals got for Greinke and Garza’s not close to Greinke as a talent.

    Chris Archer is a very good young pitcher. He had a terrific year in 2010. He’s a legitimate potential front line starter.

    There was very little question the Rays were going to trade Garza. They basically had to trade a starter and they’ve been considering moving Garza on and off for a while. I think they’ve soured on him somewhat. They did well to move him now and get back what they did.

  49. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    RS January 7th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
    Trading Garza is going to weaken the Rays this year. They still have 5 good starters, but 3 of them have a year or less of experience starting in the majors. And starting pitching depth was the only thing they could hang their hats on with virtually no bullpen or offense outside of Longoria.

    ————–

    Given the hits they took to their lineup and bullpen I think the plan from the Ray’s perspective is that they’re going to try to compete in 2011 but they’re not going to be all too shocked or saddened if they miss the playoffs.

  50. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    Blake/GB-

    Thanks guys.

    I think GB’s explanation makes a lot more sense to me.

    Net/net. You don’t want to trade a Garza if you could delete a Shields instead.

    Garza may still be a problem. That may be why they moved him.

  51. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    It would not shock me if we see BJ Upton change caps in the next couple of weeks too.

  52. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    Very few owners make trades on their own knowledge based on talent. They ok trades based on money or personal desire for a certain player. GMS pushed trades and signings based on those principles. Most turned out badly, especially the trades. I seriously doubt that Hal steinbrenner is a talent evaluator and assists in the trades based on talent. He does know who he doesn’t want…like an aging, flawed center fielder for talent and $10 mil.

  53. blake January 7th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    MTU,

    so you’re saying you like GB better now….I’ll remember that ;)

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock January 7th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    blake January 7th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
    MTU,

    My guess is because Garza had a lot more trade value.

    ////

    I believe Garza is headed to arb. More $$$.

  55. ac1 January 7th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    If George was still around NO CHANCE IN HELL the Yanks would only be interested in a player like Soriano if it was ABSURDLY CHEAP
    __

    Yeah but if George was still around, cashman wouldnt have to be cutting budget either.

  56. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    MTU, Garza may have sealed his fate late in the season with his public, in game confrontation with Maddon after being removed from a game.

  57. yankeefeminista January 7th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 7th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
    blake January 7th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
    MTU,

    My guess is because Garza had a lot more trade value.

    ////

    I believe Garza is headed to arb. More $$$.
    _________
    Yes, Garza is headed to arb 2 after this year, so a big bump up for Rays, whereas Shields is locked up to a team-friendly contract through 2012.

  58. yankeefeminista January 7th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    Should read arb 2 *this* year

  59. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    Sheilds has a contract in place (no arbitration) between now and 2014
    11:$4.25M, 12:$7M club option ($2M buyout), 13:$9M club option ($1.5M buyout), 14:$12M club option ($1M buyout)

    Garza doesn’t have that – he was going year by year and wasn’t signing an extension – that’s why he’s a Cub.

  60. Jerkface January 7th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    It’s only an extra $4.4 mil for Fukudome and it would reduce the damage in prospects, plus getting a couple back for Fukudome that could be turned over to the Cubs or kept. just trying to find something that appeals to both or more teams and makes sense. None is totally appealing, but, that sure helps NYYs rotation a bit more.

    If the Yankees got FUkudome and Zambrano in a salary dump I’d actually be inclined to keep Fukudome. He hasn’t been bad the last 2 years and while not as powerful as he was in Japan( a trend for those hitters ) his plate discipline has been there.

  61. blake January 7th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    Garza is heading to arbitration but Shield’s options for 2012, 2013, and 2014 are for 7, 9, and 12 million dollars. I think they would have preferred to trade Shields but they couldn’t have got anywhere near the package of prospects back for him that they did for Garza.

  62. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    blake January 7th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
    MTU,

    so you’re saying you like GB better now….I’ll remember that

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    just because he’s off-center doesn’t mean he’s stupid. Even crazy people know intelligence when they see it.

  63. ML January 7th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    WCYF,

    You’re blaming Cash for players who didn’t work out but give him no credit for those who did.

    Of the 4 players you mentioned, only Chan Ho was a bad signing at the time. Vazquez, Johnson, and Winn all made sense at the time.

    If we don’t know anything about who’s available for what price (which I disagree with but this is your premise) then how can you attack them for not doing anything?! Maybe there’s nothing out there that makes sense. Yet you give this possibility short shrift.

    I don’t understand why you’re panicking. It’s only Jan. 7th. Yet you sound like you’re willing to trade Montero, Nova, Nunez, Joba and Gardner for Gorzelanny just to get another starter. It doesn’t make sense.

  64. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    Blake-

    C’mon. GB has to get one right once in a while.

    Also, couldn’t the Rays have bought out some arb years and locked Garza up on a longer contract if they wanted to ?

    Would that have been a lot more expensive then what it costs for Shields ?

    And even if it were a bit more IMO Garza is way better than Shields.

  65. LGY January 7th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    Garza was a super two, so he still has three years of arb to go.

  66. Yank 97 January 7th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    I’d take a flier on Shields if he can be had cheaply.

  67. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    Jerkface January 7th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
    It’s only an extra $4.4 mil for Fukudome and it would reduce the damage in prospects, plus getting a couple back for Fukudome that could be turned over to the Cubs or kept. just trying to find something that appeals to both or more teams and makes sense. None is totally appealing, but, that sure helps NYYs rotation a bit more.

    If the Yankees got FUkudome and Zambrano in a salary dump I’d actually be inclined to keep Fukudome. He hasn’t been bad the last 2 years and while not as powerful as he was in Japan( a trend for those hitters ) his plate discipline has been there.

    ———————-

    The Cubs have added Carlos Pena and Matt Garza this winter – that’s a fairly clear indication that they want to win now.

    Why are they trading Zambrano?

  68. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    Yank 97 January 7th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
    I’d take a flier on Shields if he can be had cheaply.

    —————-

    Why would Tampa want to do a deal to help the Yankees?

  69. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    All they did was replace a $13.5 mil first baseman FA for a $10 mil first baseman.

  70. LGY January 7th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    CB,

    Been on a lohud mental health break?

  71. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    LGY January 7th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
    Garza was a super two, so he still has three years of arb to go.

    —————–

    My guess: Cubs lock him up to a long term deal and buy out his first two years of free agency.

    5 years $75 mil

  72. Jerkface January 7th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    The Cubs have added Carlos Pena and Matt Garza this winter – that’s a fairly clear indication that they want to win now.

    Why are they trading Zambrano?

    Because of his salary and volatility. But even if they aren’t trading him, who cares, I was just saying IF it happened I liked Fukudome.

  73. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Even if the Cubs did trade Lee to Atlanta, they had no 3rd baseman ready in the system.

  74. Jeters Edge In Blazin Copper January 7th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Why are being acting as if Andy has to make a decision? If he wants to come back he will contact the Yankees. He’s not going to call and say, “hey guys, move on without me.” He basically already said that. Just read between the lines.

    I can’t believe what a spoiled fan base we have become. Demanding Andy gives us an answer. Demanding the Yankees over spend for substandard players. Sheesh. No wonder why SJ has been gone for days. This place has become nutso.

  75. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes January 7th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Nick in SF,

    I can’t complain, just getting ready for my Oregon Ducks to play Monday…has been consuming me over the past few weeks.

    We should meet up at an A’s game this season…i missed out on both series last season for the birth of my daughter.

  76. Jeters Edge In Blazin Copper January 7th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    being s/b people. sorry

  77. blake January 7th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    I like Garza, he’s just stubborn and throws too many fastballs. If he can get over that I think he’ll be really good.

  78. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    no 3rd baseman

    correction: 1st baseman

  79. BX33 January 7th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    But team officials are troubled at the way Pettitte just disappeared, without a formal goodbye or even a courtesy phone call. The Yankees were hoping to hear something by Christmas, then by New Year’s following Pettitte’s vacation in Hawaii. But this week’s continuing silence has nudged higher-ups closer to the outcome they once considered impossible — that Pettitte is officially history.

    One theory circulating at Yankee Stadium is that Pettitte is spooked by none other than Roger Clemens. Knowing he’s going to be the government’s star witness this summer might be enough to force Pettitte into hiding – especially if Clemens decides he’s going to take his former buddy down with him.

    Pettitte, however, gave Congress a sworn deposition, during which he said Clemens talked to him about using HGH in 1999, at The Rocket’s home in Houston.

    Clemens says Pettitte “mis-remembered” that conversation. Therein lies his defense strategy: for Clemens to prevail, he’ll have to destroy Pettitte’s credibility. One person who’s known the left-hander for many years said: “You think that’s not weighing on Andy’s mind? Who knows what Clemens is going to dig up?”

    But one official correctly pointed out, “this isn’t about money.” A promise of $14 million or more isn’t going to change Pettitte’s thinking.

    http://www.northjersey.com/spo.....Yanks.html

  80. Chip January 7th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
    All they did was replace a $13.5 mil first baseman FA for a $10 mil first baseman.

    —————-

    They dumped Lee during the season. If they wanted to spare the coin then they could have played Colvin at 1b or gone with a less expensive option than Pena.

    You don’t add pieces like Pena and Garza and then trade away your best pitcher in a salary dump – at least not at this point in the year.

    If Chicago falls out of it – and I mean way out of it – by July then maybe you can get Zambrano. But getting him before the season starts is not happening.

    They’ll either send Gorzo to the pen or do a bad contract for bad contract deal with Silva – but they’re not moving Z. Not yet.

  81. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    Blake that was one reason that he was moved out of Minnesota so fast. He could have aced that staff and they traded him for an underachieving problem child in Young.

  82. yankeefeminista January 7th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    But Shields will only make 4.25 in 2011, whereas Garza could get as much as 6mil in arb 2.

  83. West Coast Yankee Fan January 7th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    ML January 7th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    WCYF, You’re blaming Cash for players who didn’t work out but give him no credit for those who did. Of the 4 players you mentioned, only Chan Ho was a bad signing at the time. Vazquez, Johnson, and Winn all made sense at the time.

    If we don’t know anything about who’s available for what price (which I disagree with but this is your premise) then how can you attack them for not doing anything?! Maybe there’s nothing out there that makes sense. Yet you give this possibility short shrift.

    I don’t understand why you’re panicking. It’s only Jan. 7th. Yet you sound like you’re willing to trade Montero, Nova, Nunez, Joba and Gardner for Gorzelanny just to get another starter. It doesn’t make sense.

    ****************

    I don’t think objectively making an assessment of the current Yankee roster based on my opinion equates to panicking. If I felt any panic, I would say so. I have also said in many posts that the off-season is not over and that I retain hope that Cashman/Hal will make the moves necessary to fill the holes we have.

    As to Hal’s signings last winter, he admits openly that they were poor. This is a quote:

    “I didn’t have a great winter last year,” the General Manager said. “A lot of the things I wound up doing didn’t benefit us as much as I wish they would”.

    I have never advocated giving it all away for mediocrity. Where did I ever propose a deal like that? I haven’t

  84. West Coast Yankee Fan January 7th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    sic – Cashman’s signings

  85. yankeefeminista January 7th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    I’ll miss Garza in AL East vs. the Red Sox. I’ll never forget that 2008 ALCS Game 7.

  86. blake January 7th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    GB,

    true.

  87. LGY January 7th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    :arrow:

  88. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Well, you’re still wrong about why they would move Zambrano. They now have a payroll of 4150 mil and a ton of debt. Colvin is not a 1st baseman and they’re stuck with a totally unmovable contract in Soriano and a nearly unmovable contract in Silva.

  89. Against All Odds January 7th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    @ West Coast Fan do you know where I can get the quotes when Cashman admitted waiting on Lee cost affected him from making other possible news?

  90. Chuck January 7th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    “They now have a payroll of 4150 mil and a ton of debt.”

    Jesus I didn’t realize how rich they were.

  91. RS January 7th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    “When it came time to be creative and to assess talent — he gave us Chan Ho park, Nick Johnson, Javy Vazquez and Randy Winn.”

    To be fair, those players were actually coming off good to great years. Park was outstanding as a reliever in Philly and Vazquez was coming off a Cy Young season and only had to be our #4 starter.

    It’s kind of hard to “assess talent” when almost invariably, every player you bring to NY sees a decline in their stats (even Tex and Sabathia had better numbers elsewhere). How exactly do you measure for that?

  92. ML January 7th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    WCYF,

    I’m not sure what your point is then. You keep attacking Cashman and saying that the current roster is not good enough yet you refuse to offer one bit of specifics as to how you would like to see the team improved.

    Saying it’s Cashman’s job is a copout. Of course, it’s his job, but you’re on here saying he’s not doing a good job, so tell us what you would consider a good move. Yes, we all understand that you don’t have insider knowledge of who’s available, but you can give us an idea of the type of player you’d like to see and what you’d be willing to give up to get him.

    Another specific you could provide would be how many wins you think the current Yankee roster would win next year.

    Don’t just complain. Tell us what you think should be done.

  93. BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

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    If George was still around NO CHANCE IN HELL the Yanks would only be interested in a player like Soriano if it was ABSURDLY CHEAP
    __

    Yeah but if George was still around, cashman wouldnt have to be cutting budget either.
    ++++++++++++++++++
    If George were still around, he sure wouldn’t smell too good.

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