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Yankees still in early stages of arbitration talks

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 07, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees have not exchanged numbers with any of their arbitration-eligible players, and general manager Brian Cashman said it’s too early in the process to know whether any of the current cases might be headed for an actual hearing.

“We go in to settle unless someone is asking something unwarranted,” Cashman said. “We’ll give a good faith effort to try to settle it, but if someone does something that’s out of line, we’re forced to go to a hearing. We’re not afraid to go to hearing.”

The Yankees have to reach agreements with Boone Logan, Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain. This is Logan’s second year of eligibility and the first for Hughes and Chamberlain. Last year Logan settled on a $590,000 deal in mid-January.

Cashman wouldn’t comment on whether he’s working toward an early agreement with any of the three.

“I wouldn’t say where I was with anyone, at any level,” Cashman said.

Associated Press photo of Hughes

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117 Responses to “Yankees still in early stages of arbitration talks”

  1. Nick in SF January 7th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    In the next thread, Brian Cashman will discuss why he isn’t making picks for the NFL’s opening playoff weekend and the Oregon-Auburn game.

  2. Chad Jennings January 7th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    I should have asked him about the football game! I had it in my notes and everything!

    Actually, this is all I have left from my Cashman call this afternoon. I called to ask about the arbitration guys — figured that’s something new that hasn’t really be covered — and in the course of the conversation I asked about Type-A free agents and he dropped the not-losing-a-draft-pick thing on me.

    I held off on the arbitration tidbit for a few hours because, well, there’s obviously not much to report about the arb guys and the draft pick thing was much more interesting.

    I promise I’m not trying to fill the blog with random Cashman topics!

    Every time I talk to him though, it would be fun to come up with one completely random topic to ask him about.

  3. LGY January 7th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Only 7 relievers showed up in the top 35 in ERA in both 2009 and 2010

  4. LGY January 7th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    And Mariano is one of them. He is not human so he doesn’t count.

  5. Wave Your Hat January 7th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    “Andrew Friedman had no real baseball experience of substance himself in terms of playing or spending time in baseball management before he joined the Rays.”

    That’s because there is no fundamental overlap between the skills required to play baseball and the skills required to be a general manager. They are two separate things.

  6. Nick in SF January 7th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    Chad, random Cashman topics are preferable to any posts that mention the high volume of emails you get from people who complain about Yankee moves/non-moves.

  7. G. Love January 7th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Considering Cashman’s hit rate on #1 picks, I think he should shut it when he talks about his unwillingness to surrender one for an All Star closer willing to set up for an all star Hall of Fame closer making his bullpen the best in baseball.

    The more he opens his mouth this off season the more petulant he comes off.

    At the end of the day, having a little couth with his paying customers goes a long way.

    He seems to have forgotten that.

    Tell someone dropping 40 grand a year on the Yankees tickets and such that next season isn’t as important as a question mark five to six seasons down the road and sit back and wait to get to smacked.

    Cashman becoming Mr. Homegrown in the wake of the Red Sox admitting that approach was folly this off season and led to them taking a step back is infuriating a bunch of the fanbase.

    It’s not that we don’t want them to draft and develop future stars. It’s that acting like paying market value to talent that is out there that can help this team is the most outlandish suggestion in the world makes Cashman and the Yankees look foolish.

    If Andy doesn’t come back and he doesn’t upgrade the rotation and the pen, I predict the team will struggle early on, the pen will get burnt out and he will end up dealing the prospects he’s clinging to left and right for average players on losing teams in order to make up for the struggles.

    The Yankees sometimes act like they’ll deal with the snow when it’s 6 feet high, rather than before it snows.

    I think the approach is try it cheap this year and if the wheels come off, try to take the wheels off the other cars as they start to break down.

  8. Wave Your Hat January 7th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    I would have liked the Yanks to get Soriano if the price and years were right, but it is ridiculous to create a federal case over not getting someone who is likely to only pitch 65 innings next year.

    The difference between Soriano and, for instance, Jon Rauch, is miniscule. Not worth all the agitation, IMO.

  9. BX33 January 7th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    # LGY January 7th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    Bring back Krazy Kyle!

    ————

    Not a terrible option. He pitched well under Girardi for a couple months and might be lightening in a bottle.

  10. Chad Jennings January 7th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Haha, fair point Nick. Sometimes I mention those emails only because I’m surprised to find myself addressing a certain topic. I wish I’d written about the email I got last year suggesting the Yankees sign Adrian Beltre and move Alex Rodriguez to left field. I’m all for outside-the-box thinking, but I wasn’t quite ready for that one.

  11. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    WYH-

    I agree with you.

    Hope that doesn’t upset you.

    :)

  12. Wave Your Hat January 7th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    MTU-

    Not at all. ;)

  13. LGY January 7th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Using past first rounders with different players available are not really relevant to the player the Yankees can pick this year.

  14. upstate kate January 7th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Chad
    perhaps you could write a post of the most outlandish emails you have received

  15. Rich in NJ January 7th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    If Joba’s case goes before an arbitrator, I would love to be a fly on the wall because the Yankees’ arguments against him would likely shed more light on their true feelings about Joba than anything we have heard to date.

  16. LGY January 7th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Rauch and Krazy Kyle out there would be interesting to see.

    I was half kidding and half being serious with Farnsworth. He would be a good low cost pickup if he keeps hanging around on the market.

  17. randy l. January 7th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    chad-

    any chance you can replace that photo on the right of burnett?

    how about someone we like?

    maybe cano , hughes, or someone who actually had a good year last year.

    maybe that photo is sending us all bad subliminal vibes and putting us in a bad mood.

  18. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    upstate kate January 7th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
    Chad
    perhaps you could write a post of the most outlandish emails you have received

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I wonder if we could pick out who sent the emails by the look of the texts? They would be pretty easy. Most of them are soaked with tears and snot.

  19. Rich in NJ January 7th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    I think I’ll wait on dinner. ;)

  20. Hopdevil January 7th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Rauch is a pretty extreme fly-ball pitcher…lousy fit for the Stadium…

  21. upstate kate January 7th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Randy
    I was thinking it was the dark cold days of winter and the lack of any exciting acquisitions…but maybe (once again) it is AJ’s fault!! I vote for Robbie’s picture.

  22. Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Randy l

    I laughed out loud at your comment because I’ve been thinking the same thing for, well, months!!!

    :)

  23. austinmac January 7th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Sadly, I find myself reduced to hoping for Freddy Garcia and doubting the team will come up with enough money. On the bright side, it will make spring training interesting. I always preferred being the rich bully team myself.

  24. Irreverent Discourse January 7th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    G.Love – I challenge you to name a GM, or hell… just name a team… with a #1 pick rate (player making it to the majors as a STAR, not as a bench scrub) better than Cashman that has not drafted inside the top 20 in 15 years.

    Ready… Go.

  25. BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    REPOST
    BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    The way I look at Soriano and the 1st round pick–if you put Soriano on the board, where would he be selected? He immediately joins the team as a potential lock down EIG and part-time closer, and becomes closer in 3 years. Then he lasts perhaps 2 more years in the role.

    Where would such a player go? Top 10? Top 5? Top 30? I think 12th.
    BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    austinmac January 7th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    I would he hesitant to draft Cole if it was my call. He turned down $5 million previously. He will require much more or use the love of college leverage. That could cause him to slip. Cashman has probably had enough second tries(Vasquez and Johnson, e.g.) to ever draft him again. It would be too personally risky
    ++++++++++++++
    True…could be risky….but consider this.

    This year will be Cole and Bopras’s BEST chance to get the top deal…as they still have leverage to go back to school for senior year. After that, he has less leverage unless he wants to risk playing in independent leagues.

    Cole also has the clout (with such leverage) to tell every other team he will not sign except for his favorite team (Yankees).

    Thus, if Cole really wants to play for the Yankees and get the best deal possible, he should come out in 2011…and if he agrees up front with Yankees to come out, I would take him

  26. J. Alfred Prufrock January 7th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Cashman becoming Mr. Homegrown in the wake of the Red Sox admitting that approach was folly this off season and led to them taking a step back is infuriating a bunch of the fanbase.

    /// What do the Red Sox& their Red Herring farm system have to do with how successful we will be selecting & implementing prospects?who cares what Boston does? They had no system – the Great Lie. they were going to “bridge” a year until they could present Lars Anderson et al as their dynamic, young, cost-controlled “homegrown” corps.not only is there nothing i the cupboard,what was there they had to jettison to San Diego for AGon,because Lars Anderson was an invention as their big power hitting 1B of the future.the yanks have shown they’ll turn farm talent into MLB players,which they did when they acquired Granderson their CF.& unlike Boston,the yanks were able to make that trade & still hang onto their top talent,because they have a much deeper farm system.

  27. Chad Jennings January 7th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Randy-

    Oddly enough, I actually emailed our tech staff about changing it. Believe me, you’re not the first person to make the request. Problem is, I have absolutely no way of changing things like that (or, if I do have a way of doing it, I don’t know about it). Design stuff is pretty far out of my hands.

  28. Rich in NJ January 7th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Would the Yankees ever again believe anything Cole’s camp told them?

  29. Mell January 7th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    “Cole also has the clout (with such leverage) to tell every other team he will not sign except for his favorite team (Yankees)”

    Uncertainty of the next CBA may diminis that clout considerably.

  30. LGY January 7th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    People should really be wondering who is going to be the SIG, because Joba will have a strangehold on the eighth by June 1st.

  31. austinmac January 7th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    G Love,

    That was very well said.

  32. LGY January 7th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    People should really be asking themselves who is going to be the SIG because Joba will have a stranglehold on the eighth by June 1st.

  33. Jerkface January 7th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Predicting 4 mil or under total for the arbitration cases

  34. austinmac January 7th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    Bojo,

    I would love it if Cole did that, but I can’t remember a player ever doing that for a particular team.

  35. Mell January 7th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    “Predicting 4 mil or under total for the arbitration cases”

    I’ll take the OVER.

  36. Rich in NJ January 7th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    “Considering Cashman’s hit rate on #1 picks, I think he should shut it when he talks about his unwillingness to surrender one for an All Star closer willing to set up for an all star Hall of Fame closer making his bullpen the best in baseball.”

    He got more power in 2006:

    2006 IPK, Joba (21,41) Both in ML
    2007 Brackman (30) Highly rated
    2008 Cole (28) Mislead by his father
    2009 Heathcott (29) Highly rated
    2010 Culver (32) very early

    I don’t think his record is bad at all. If anything, he gets an INC.

  37. Mell January 7th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    JF:

    Plenty of recent history to suggest Hughes will be in the $3M – $3.5M range. Maybe more.

  38. Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Cashman Needs to Go -

    Your point in the previous post regarding “reverse leverage” was interesting. Never thought about it like that.

  39. mick January 7th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    and in the course of the conversation I asked about Type-A free agents and he dropped the not-losing-a-draft-pick thing on me.
    =============================
    Was that meant for Boras, Chad?
    Seems he could give that message direct.

  40. BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    austinmac January 7th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    Bojo,

    I would love it if Cole did that, but I can’t remember a player ever doing that for a particular team.
    +++++++++++++
    Delin Betances did it.

  41. Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Perhaps Cashman’s (and the organization’s) stance on Joba as a reliever has more to do with arbitration than it has to do with what they actually intend for him after arbitration?

  42. austinmac January 7th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Chad and his cohorts were recently criticized for lack of journalistic news gathering. I would say this word from Cashman is very newsworthy. Don’t like it, but good information Chad.

  43. Bronx Jeers January 7th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    I just walked into an airport bathroom and there was an older gentleman standing at the urinal with his pants/underwear down around his ankles.

    Perhaps he has fly issues but imagine he’s been doing it like that his whole life?

  44. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West January 7th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Doreen,

    what did you end up buying…im sure you said in a previous thread, but i cant scan through that much crap to find out…LOL

  45. austinmac January 7th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    Bojo,

    I think you’re right on Betances. Good recall.

  46. jacksquat January 7th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
    The way I look at Soriano and the 1st round pick–if you put Soriano on the board, where would he be selected? He immediately joins the team as a potential lock down EIG and part-time closer, and becomes closer in 3 years. Then he lasts perhaps 2 more years in the role.

    Where would such a player go? Top 10? Top 5? Top 30? I think 12th.

    That draft pick is not also getting 3/30.

    That’s the problem, you give up a first round pick *and* 3/30 (or similar) for Soriano. That’s why he said he’d take him if he was absurdly cheap, because then it is worth it.

    Cashman clearly does not like to both lose players *and* pay a big contract.

  47. Wave Your Hat January 7th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Put me in the over 4M camp as well. I think a better over/under would be 5.5M.

  48. Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Michelle B -

    Can’t say as I blame you!! lol

    So, anyway, I decided on the Tiguan. But I most likely won’t have it for 2-3 weeks. Seems I picked a not-so-popular color. I think if I wanted white or black I could have had it tomorrow.

  49. BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Others have too…just can’t recall off top of head. Perhaps Drew Henson?

  50. mick January 7th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    So, anyway, I decided on the Tiguan.
    —————————————-
    I was right. What do I win?

  51. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West January 7th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
    Michelle B -

    Can’t say as I blame you!! lol

    So, anyway, I decided on the Tiguan. But I most likely won’t have it for 2-3 weeks. Seems I picked a not-so-popular color. I think if I wanted white or black I could have had it tomorrow.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    OHHH.. Congratulations! WHats the color?

  52. mick January 7th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Guess the color?
    ===============
    Metallic grey?

  53. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West January 7th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Have you guys seen this?

    PETTITTE TELLS YANKEES TO MOVE ON

    http://www.fannation.com/truth.....?eref=sihp

  54. LGY January 7th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Betances was ranked the 68th best prospect by BA in their pre-draft rankings.

    Cole is likely going to be ranked in the top 5.

  55. G. Love January 7th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    ID-My point isn’t that other GM’s do it better. My point was that 1st round picks rarely pan out unless they are at the top of the draft.

    The Yankees routinely draft at the end of the round so talent only slips there if Detroit and Boston allow us to get it.

    Saying you won’t consider signing an All Star closer because you have to hoard your late first round pick is stupid when the team has the financial resources to sign the best international free agents and the best major league free agents year after year.

    Cashman is acting like he hits 1.000 on his first round picks the way he spoke today. He doesn’t. No GM does. That’s my point.

  56. Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Michelle B -

    Thanks!

    I got the Alpine Gray.

    I have a silver MDX and our other car is silver, and, well, I’m a little tired of silver. Don’t like black, white is iffy – there are shades of it I like, but not the shade that VW offered – don’t like blue, don’t like red, and the gold was okay, but I decided a darker interior was more practical. I actually went into the dealership thinking I would get gold or white. The salesman laughed at me when I came back with gray or silver. I guess I’m not that much of a risk-taker. :)

    Honda offered a really nice color – opal sage – and I would have liked that, but the salesman told me you can’t order a specific car from Honda. You get what they’re making and that’s that. I can’t image they make too many opal sage cars.

    I’m not a good car buyer. I can’t pretend I’m aloof if I really like something. I got a good price, but not a great one.

  57. mick January 7th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    Cashman is acting like he hits 1.000 on his first round picks the way he spoke today. He doesn’t. No GM does. That’s my point.
    ==========================G.Love
    Is this his way of negotiating with Boras?
    Seems like his way of saying we don’t want to deal with you, Scott, so take a hike.

  58. LGY January 7th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    “The Yankees routinely draft at the end of the round so talent only slips there if Detroit and Boston allow us to get it.”

    —————-

    The consensus seems to be that there is too much talent in the draft for this to matter this year.

    The amount of talent in this draft is very likely having a big influence on this decision, so past drafts don’t really matter.

  59. DaSaint007 January 7th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    Soriano may as well go back to the Rays. So much for that.

    I’m still good with Rauch or Fuentes, but an additional arm is needed. Someone legit.

  60. G. Love January 7th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    The Rays are shedding payroll left and right. I doubt they are going to take Soriano back at a lucrative one year offer.

    He has a better chance of getting that from Anaheim or Chicago at this point.

  61. mick January 7th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Could any of this frugality be because of Yu Darvish next year?

  62. BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Bronx Jeers January 7th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    I just walked into an airport bathroom and there was an older gentleman standing at the urinal with his pants/underwear down around his ankles.

    Perhaps he has fly issues but imagine he’s been doing it like that his whole life?
    +++++++++++++++++
    Such a great set up line…ahhh–I got nothing.

  63. RMS January 7th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Hope Cashman has something up his sleeve regarding pitching. Teams are making moves and Cashman has done nothing except signing a lefty for the pen.
    Going into the season with 3 starters who are question marks-
    AJ
    Mitre
    Nova
    does not inspire confidence.

  64. G. Love January 7th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    mick,

    I doubt it. I think Cashman will be equally scared of giving big money to a Japanese league pitcher like he is to giving a reliever a long term deal.

    They’re more likely to be hoarding money for Pujols than anything and that’s more of a longshot than Lee was.

  65. mick January 7th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    They’re more likely to be hoarding money for Pujols
    ================================
    G.
    I thought of that but where would Tex figure in?

  66. Cashman needs to go January 7th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Irreverent Discourse January 7th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
    G.Love ? I challenge you to name a GM, or hell? just name a team? with a #1 pick rate (player making it to the majors as a STAR, not as a bench scrub) better than Cashman that has not drafted inside the top 20 in 15 years.

    Ready? Go.

    **********************

    ID – the reason the yankees haven’t picked in the top 20 in umm…forever…. has everything to do with the free agent players they’ve signed and the non 1st round draftees (all 6 or 7 of them) that actually made it to the big team…so you can say their success has not been attributable to the first round draftees they signed…why mess with that formula all of a sudden?

  67. BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    jacksquat January 7th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    That draft pick is not also getting 3/30.
    +++++++++++++++++++
    Stephen Strasburg got $7.5M signing bonus and $2.5M salary and had to play in minors half a year (was no sure thing to make it in one year).

    Not sure how valid your point is…it is interesting.

  68. BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    LGY January 7th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Betances was ranked the 68th best prospect by BA in their pre-draft rankings.

    Cole is likely going to be ranked in the top 5.
    +++++++++++
    Doesn’t matter if he was ranked 1st…signability is a huge consideration in first round, and if teams think he won’t sign and is going back for final year, they will pass.

  69. jacksquat January 7th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    I very much doubt they will go after Pujols unless they’ve found a way to unload A-Rod.

  70. LGY January 7th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    I bet the Rays use Garza’s money on a DH.

    They put themselves in play for any of the remaining DH’s by trading Garza.

  71. LGY January 7th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    “Doesn’t matter if he was ranked 1st…signability is a huge consideration in first round, and if teams think he won’t sign and is going back for final year, they will pass.”

    ———————-

    My point was that Cole could be a top 3 and maybe even the first pick in the draft and I really doubt any player is going to pass on being a top 5 pick or a chance to get drafted 1st so he could sign with the Yankees.

    What motivation does he have to do that?

  72. Triple Short of a Cycle January 7th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    what was Cole’s reason for going back to college?

  73. Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    I love Andy Pettitte, but at this point, how can he not think he’s a story whether he maintains a low profile or not?

    The Yankees need a pitcher or two; Pettitte has not stated definitively that he is retiring. Telling your team to go ahead and make moves is not an official statement. He really can’t just slip into the background. If he doesn’t want to play anymore, he’s going to have to come right out and say it in English.

    And not for the Yankees. I’m sure the Yankees are figuring he’s not coming back (though they probably are hopeful he will be). The fans deserve an answer after all these years. I don’t usually go that route, but, hey, it’s almost mid-January already (yeah, I know, I’m rushing things a bit).

  74. BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Let me recap what I wish Cashman would do before I drop this Soriano topic for the (hopefully) last time tonight.

    1. Call Nationals to offer them 2 prospects from top 9 to 18 list of prospects, plus a lower level arm in return for signing Soriano and trading him to Yankees. Nats lose a second round pick to Rays but get more value in prospects returned.

    2. The deal offered to Soriano is 1 year at $8M plus $1M bonus for each 20 games appeared in.

    3. The Yankees get to offer him arbitration after the season with a pre-negotiated agreement that he declines. In doing so, they get 2 top picks for him.

    4. Once he declines arbotration, Soriano and Yanks can work out deal for following year if his performance is great.

    Benefits to Boras/Soriano–
    1. Parks client in a high paying position at top rate that market will pay.
    2. Allows him to re-enter market (like Beltre did) next year when there may be more openings and demand.

    Benefits to Nats–
    1. Get 2 top prospects and a 3rd prospect with no signing bonus required for a #2 pick

    Benefits to Yanks–
    1. Get the best EIG in baseball to help Mo and solidify pen in a season where a strong pen may be needed to eat more innings
    2. Allows them to move Joba to SP
    3. Don’t lose any picks and in fact possibly gain 2 top picks in 2012
    4. Test drive Soriano in NYC environment before considering him as heir apparent to Mo
    5. Buy a year for prospects to develop for bullpen (Brackman?)

    I would hope Cashman is at least running this up the flagpole with Boras…I’m sure Boras is eager to deal.

  75. Triple Short of a Cycle January 7th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    seriously what is going on with Pettite? Its been 3 months already. Either retire or come back but for Pete’s sake make up your mind already

  76. Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    BoJo -

    It seems to make too much sense to work. ;) There’s got to be a flaw.

  77. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Doreen-

    Did Bernie ever officially retire ?

  78. mick January 7th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Bojo

    Thanks for the answer I was seeking.

  79. Triple Short of a Cycle January 7th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    MTU,

    I don’t think Bernie ever retired

  80. mick January 7th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Once Andy officially retires doesn’t that up the price of any other pitcher they seef as a FA?
    Perhaps they have asked him to remain quiet.

  81. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Triple-

    So does AP have to make an official announcement then ?

  82. BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle January 7th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    what was Cole’s reason for going back to college?
    ++++++++++++++
    His father and he felt he was not emotionally mature enough to handle the pros yet and wanted the college experience to help him better prepare.

    Translation–co-eds baby!

  83. blake January 7th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    2 issues.

    1) Soriano would have to agree to a one year deal in which he wouldn’t be closing.
    2) you’re trading 2 current top 15 prospects to avoid losing a draft pick that may never pan out at all……..

    If Soriano would do that then it could make sense because you could recoup prospects the next year and you could potentially deal excess to Washington…..but theres a lot of moving part in a deal like that making it unlikely.

  84. mick January 7th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    So what Cash is saying to Boras is to get creative.

  85. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Listening to MLB Hot Stove, Larry Bowa thinks that Zambrano goes to NYYs. He thinks that the team player leadership would control his outbursts. Another thing about that Cubs staff, having two volatile pitchers Zambrano and Garza on the same staff would be a disaster for the Cubs.

  86. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Blake-

    We’re going into the season with AJ and 2 rooks in the rotation.

    And the current BP.

    We’re backfilling everything from within.

    Do you believe me ?

  87. Jerkface January 7th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    Mell me and wave talked hughes arbitration for like an hour a few days ago. I can offer compelling comps for hughes getting 3 or under.

  88. BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    LGY January 7th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    My point was that Cole could be a top 3 and maybe even the first pick in the draft and I really doubt any player is going to pass on being a top 5 pick or a chance to get drafted 1st so he could sign with the Yankees.

    What motivation does he have to do that?
    ++++++++++
    Top 3 picks go to Pirates, Seattle, and Arizona…teams that might pick down in order to get a signable player (i.e., avoid dealing with Boras). Boras has shown he is willing to hold players back a year if he doesn’t get his dollar.

    Benefit in pushing for Yankees is that he will get top dollar and play for the team he wants to play for. Just like Jeter wanted to and Betances wanted to.

    Cole was such a big fan that he was at the WS in Arizona in 2003 hanging out at players hotel just so he could catch glimpses of his heroes.

  89. blake January 7th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    Gb,

    I just heard that bit from Bowa…..he made.some.sense.

    MTU,

    Nah…they’ll do something. Andy is coming back anyway.

  90. mick January 7th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Zambrano to the Yanks would ease the loss of Andy. Still could see him back at mid-season though, maybe that’s why no retirement announcement.

  91. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    GB-

    Now all the Cubs need is a match.

    :)

  92. Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Mick -

    Yes, that’s a fair point.

    MTU -

    Bernie still hasn’t retired! :lol:

    But seriously, the circumstances were a little different.

  93. mick January 7th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Mick -

    Yes, that’s a fair point.
    =================
    Doreen

    Which one of many?

  94. Nick in SF January 7th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    “I just walked into an airport bathroom and there was an older gentleman standing at the urinal with his pants/underwear down around his ankles.”

    A very disturbing image, but I admit I have been wondering what Steve Philips was up to. Thanks for the update.

  95. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Blake, Bowa named Jeter, Posada, Teixeira and Alex Rodriguez as the clubhouse leadership that would control that, but, I think that Mariano Rivera might be the biggest influence. He’s a god to virtually every Latin player in baseball and really, most players. I’d venture to guess that he might have the most influence of any active player.

  96. BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    blake January 7th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    2 issues.

    1) Soriano would have to agree to a one year deal in which he wouldn’t be closing.
    2) you’re trading 2 current top 15 prospects to avoid losing a draft pick that may never pan out at all……..

    If Soriano would do that then it could make sense because you could recoup prospects the next year and you could potentially deal excess to Washington…..but theres a lot of moving part in a deal like that making it unlikely.
    ++++++++++++++++++
    1) Soriano only wants the most money he can get. Boras will have no problem selling him as a closer in 2011 after a year in EIG role…he has already shown he can do it in AL East. Has nothing to prove.

    2) I suspect that Cashman has a strong feeling as to who will be available at 31…maybe even Cole. Cole felt bad about the misunderstanding and still loves the Yankees. We could be looking at a wink-wink deal where he will say he is staying in school, and allowing the Yankees to draft him. If that is the case (pure speculation but possible), then I don’t blame Cashman for holding the pick dear.

  97. Triple Short of a Cycle January 7th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    MTU,

    I wouldn’t mind it :)

  98. BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    I knew Nick would have something…good job.

  99. BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    I was going to ask if he was waiting for tips, but I thought better of it.

  100. blake January 7th, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    Gb,

    I wouldn’t doubt that at all. Zambrano would be interesting…..I just don’t see the Yanks doing it unless the Cubs will eat salary.

  101. MTU January 7th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Triple-

    Are you sure ?

  102. mick January 7th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Getting Zambrano would prob leave Andy out of the mix. 18m + a RP=Lee money.

  103. Rich in NJ January 7th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    “Cole was such a big fan that he was at the WS in Arizona in 2003 hanging out at players hotel just so he could catch glimpses of his heroes.”

    If he was such a big fan, why did he allow his father to mislead the Yankees, at great cost (in terms of foreseeable, detrimental reliance)?

    Perhaps the answer is that his fandom is really a side issue compared to what his father believes is in his son’s best interests, and that doesn’t necessarily include the Yankees, as we have seen.

  104. BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    mick January 7th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    So what Cash is saying to Boras is to get creative.
    +++++++++++++
    Great point…Agents have brokered deals in other sports, and I’m sure Boras has to…(just can’t recall any at moment)

  105. Doreen January 7th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    mick -

    Your point that Pettitte is not announcing retirement so as not to compromise the Yankees’ bargaining position.

  106. blake January 7th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Bojo,

    In that event I wouldn’t blame him either but that’s probably unlikely……I guess you never know though.

  107. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Blake, if all it takes to get him are a few 2nd tier talent, $18 mil isn’t bad for each of the next two years. Not ideal, but, still, if it keeps the top four in the fold, I’m all for it. There is a vesting option in 2013, but, it depends on a 1st or 2nd place in CYA in 2011 or a top 4 in 2012. No buyouts.

  108. BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Rich in NJ January 7th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    “Cole was such a big fan that he was at the WS in Arizona in 2003 hanging out at players hotel just so he could catch glimpses of his heroes.”

    If he was such a big fan, why did he allow his father to mislead the Yankees, at great cost (in terms of foreseeable, detrimental reliance)?

    Perhaps the answer is that his fandom is really a side issue compared to what his father believes is in his son’s best interests, and that doesn’t necessarily include the Yankees, as we have seen.
    +++++++++++
    They weren’t aware that they mislead the Yankees until after the draft. They thought they made it very clear that he was going to college, even though he liked the Yankees and wanted to paly for them someday.

    I read a long article about this a while back, and remember how Cole described his summer before the draft as one of awe and being overwhelmed at the attention and all-star games he was invited into. He really explained well how he was just not ready emotionally, and wanted to mature a little more before leaving home.

  109. blake January 7th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    If Andy wants to pitch the Yankees will let him pitch and I can’t see them taking on all of Zambrano’s salary either.

  110. BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    blake January 7th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Bojo,

    In that event I wouldn’t blame him either but that’s probably unlikely……I guess you never know though.
    +++++++++++
    Its unlikely that you wouldn’t blame him? :-)

  111. blake January 7th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    GB,

    if the Yanks would pay it then that’s cool with me…..it just doesn’t seem like their MO of late.

  112. blake January 7th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Bojo,
    Yes…. ;)

  113. BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Here is the article

    http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/0.....f-at-ucla/

  114. BoJo January 7th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Really, the more I think about it, the only reason I can come up with for Cashman being so stubborn about that 31st pick is that he believes he will get another chance at a top 3 player (Cole) who will announce he won’t sign, and thus let himself fall to the Yankees.

    Cashman probably believes they can get him this time…and doesn’t want to risk falling to 48 because the Red Sox might use 1 of their 2 supp picks to block that–whereas they wouldn’t risk a 1st round pick to do so.

  115. mick January 7th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    New Thread ===>>>>> RIP Ryne Duren

  116. GreenBeret7 January 7th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    For those interested in the 2011 player draft order and some of the top choices:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.....ball_Draft

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