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Price too high for Yankees to land Matt Garza

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 09, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees had early discussions with the Rays about trading for Matt Garza, but Brian Cashman told the Daily News that the cost was going to be too high, possibly greater than what the Cubs gave up.

“Strong impressions were that it would be something that would cost us more because we are in the division, kind of like Roy Halladay,” Cashman said.

That suggests a significant package of prospects, especially considering most analysis I’ve read in the wake of the Garza trade suggests the Cubs might have overpaid slightly for the starter. At the very least, there’s a strong sense that it was a good deal for the Rays.

Hard to imagine the Yankees going beyond that, regardless of their rotation situation.

Also in the Daily News report, Cashman once again said he will not give up his first-round pick for any remaining free agent, but he said pitching remains an offseason target.

“But pitching is the focus, more than anything else,” Cashman said. “Nothing has changed from that standpoint.”

 
 

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107 Responses to “Price too high for Yankees to land Matt Garza”

  1. YankeesNmore January 9th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    …or anybody else who doesn’t require a handicapped parking pass!

    New GM please.

  2. DocTodd January 9th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Most often you get what you pay for….

  3. blake January 9th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    I like Garza but he’s isn’t a guy you grossly over pay for…..

  4. Doreen January 9th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    It would be tough seeing Yankees prospects succeeding with a division rival, don’t you think?

    Enough with the negative garbage, please.

  5. Patrick January 9th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    WCYF,

    Everything is “joke material”

  6. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    It’s revealing that they even thought about Garza. They need to focus on growing their own unless one of the best starters in MLB under 29 is available.

  7. Patrick January 9th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    Rich,

    Doesn’t hurt to make a phone call when a guy comes available, if that player is an upgrade.

    If Cashman said “I offered Montero and they said no” then I would start to worry

  8. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Patrick

    It doesn’t, but the reason for that phone call is what I have a problem with.

  9. Doreen January 9th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    The reason is they’re a season off in the development of their own and that Vazquez proved to b a bust. If Vazquez did what he was signed to do, he may very well have been back. If AJ did was he did in 2009, he wouldn’t be an issue either. 2009 is about what I expect of AJ, hope for more, don’t figure for a 2010 like he had.

  10. LGY January 9th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    Latest CAIRO projections

    Jeter: (150 G) : .290/.360/.406 .766 OPS. 13 HR 70 RBIs.
    Granderson: (149 G) .252/.355/.462 .817 OPS. 25 HR 74 RBIs.
    Teixiera: (153 G) .276/.377/.515 .892 OPS. 33 HR 115 RBIs.
    Rodriguez: (135 G) .281/.372/.526 .898 OPS. 32 HR 116 RBIs.
    Cano: (159 G) .306/.355/.511 .866 OPS. 26 HR 96 RBIs.
    Swisher: (149 G) .260/.354/.470 .824 OPS. 26 HR 84 RBIs.
    Posada: (101 G) .267/.354/.458 .812 OPS 15 HR 59 RBIs
    Martin: (130 G) .263/.362/.380 .742 OPS 11 HR 55 RBIs
    Gardner: (132 G) .270/.358/.372 .730 OPS 5 HR 41 RBIs

    Cervelli: (80 G) .255/.326/.347 .673 OPS 3 HR 32 RBIs
    Montero: (119 G) .261/.326/.446 .772 OPS 18 HR 67 RBIs.

  11. Bo knows January 9th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    YankeesNmore January 9th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
    …or anybody else who doesn’t require a handicapped parking pass!

    New GM please.

    ——————————————–

    You’ve been repeating that scurrilous potty mouthed drivel ad nauseum. About the level of a shoe lace academy graduate. Not to offend anyone.

    A little bit of creativity would be heartening.

    For example I could call you “a putrid postule on a pismire’s anal orifice” but I’m too polite to do that.

  12. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    “The reason is they’re a season off in the development of their own and that Vazquez proved to b a bust. If Vazquez did what he was signed to do, he may very well have been back. If AJ did was he did in 2009, he wouldn’t be an issue either. 2009 is about what I expect of AJ, hope for more, don’t figure for a 2010 like he had.”

    Doreen

    But with a few exceptions, aren’t they doubling down on that strategy by looking to acquire another less than stellar veteran starter rather than biting the bullet by developing their own?

    For example, Garza had a 5.14 ERA v. the RS last season, an 8.10 ERA v. the Yankees.

  13. LGY January 9th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Some other players talked about on here

    Thome: .825 OPS
    Jones: .746 OPS
    Manny: .914 OPS
    Damon: .784 OPS
    Vladdy: .857 OPS

  14. LGY January 9th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Sign Manny

  15. blake January 9th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    I think Miguel Cairo is a little on the conservative side there with a few of those…..

  16. joeman January 9th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Don’t know if he’s available but I would contact Houston and ask them what they would want for Wandy…..

  17. Tar January 9th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    “Don’t know if he’s available but I would contact Houston and ask them what they would want for Wandy”

    My guess is they would want the Yankees to take C. Lee.

  18. blake January 9th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    In a pinch who would be the better LFer Manny or Vlad? It might actually be Manny at this point …….Id still rather have Guerero .

  19. blake January 9th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    Houston would probaby demand Montero, Betances, and two more prospects if they are like everyone else.

  20. joeman January 9th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    # Tar January 9th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    “Don’t know if he’s available but I would contact Houston and ask them what they would want for Wandy”

    My guess is they would want the Yankees to take C. Lee.
    —————————————————
    talk about a streak hitter

  21. Doreen January 9th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    Rich in NJ -

    I would rather they went with two unknowns in the rotation to start the season. I don’t think they could do much worse with what’s available from outside the organization.

    I don’t think you necessarily look at 2008 with Hughes & Kennedy and say you can never do that again. I think Hughes was hurt and didn’t say anything right from the get-go, and Kennedy ended up being hurt, as well.

    I don’t want them using someone who should be in AA ball, though.

    And so what I think they need to do is shore-up (or is it sure-up) the bullpen, to allow for the probability that new guys aren’t gonna give you the innings.

    Given the choice between Soriano and Soria, I’d spend the money on Soriano, even though you lose the draft pick, rather than lose any of the prospects they already have. But maybe Fuentes is the way to go, if they can.

  22. J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    LGY I’m surprised at this. as Jean Afterman’s coffee boy you should know that Manny is off limits because he isn’t “yankee material.”now would I love to have ManRam’s drubbing bat and offer my middle finger to everyone about his so-called personality issues, sure, but your FO doesn’t think that way.also,where would you put manny?posada is the DH and he will be a fine one &not needing to be platooned. if Manny could be adequate in the OF,I’d do that in a NY minute because it would make some practical sense.even if manny could make plays out there yr bosses care too much about perception to do it.either way,it isn’t happening.

  23. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    “Sign Manny”

    Yes.

  24. joeman January 9th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    # Rich in NJ January 9th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    “Sign Manny”

    Yes.
    ———————-
    nay..nay

  25. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    “LGY I’m surprised at this. as Jean Afterman’s coffee boy you should know that Manny is off limits because he isn’t “yankee material”

    What’s Yankee material? Sheffield? AJ? According to some warped minds, A-Rod?

    Whether or not the Yankees are smart enough to make the right moves, shouldn’t preclude us from advocating them.

  26. Patrick January 9th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    It doesn’t, but the reason for that phone call is what I have a problem with.

    Well for better or worse, the philosophy around the team is that they must win the world series every year. That means whenever a guy is available that upgrades a position on the team, Cashman is going to look into it. The problem with this philosophy is that it makes it extremely difficult for prospects to break into the big leagues. We are seeing it now with Montero. Many other teams would start him in the majors this season (and probably give him a cup of coffee in 2010) but the Yankees probably won’t because they signed Russell Martin in an attempt to “win now”

  27. LGY January 9th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    Prufrock,

    Manny is my all time favorite non Yankee baseball player. I have wanted him to don the pinstripes for years.

  28. have a cigar January 9th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    It’s not like the Yanks own a top 10 pick in the draft.

    Just how valuable is the 31st pick, actually? Yes, I know it’s a deep draft, but if Cashman is just going to squander it on another Cito Culver type, what’s the point?

    Soriano is a known commodity who can help immediately.

  29. blake January 9th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Just don’t think Manny is worth the trouble. When will he play? For him to get ABs he’s going to take PT away from Posada and that wont go over well and Manny isn’t going to be happy playing a day or two a week…..not to mention cutting the hair and all the other nonsense that comes along with him. Just seems to be more trouble than its worth…..

  30. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    “Well for better or worse, the philosophy around the team is that they must win the world series every year.”

    It’s self-defeating. It may make more likely that they make the playoffs every year, but it hurts their chances of winning as many WS as possible.

    “The problem with this philosophy is that it makes it extremely difficult for prospects to break into the big leagues. We are seeing it now with Montero.”

    Yes, and it’s his job to convince ownership of that.

    When he lacked full power, he wasn’t afraid to publicly acknowledge which moves he disagreed with: He didn’t want Womack or Wright, and he wanted Vlad over Sheffield.

    Now that he has power, he should show similar candor.

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    Rich in NJ January 9th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
    “LGY I’m surprised at this. as Jean Afterman’s coffee boy you should know that Manny is off limits because he isn’t “yankee material”

    What’s Yankee material? Sheffield? AJ? According to some warped minds, A-Rod?

    Whether or not the Yankees are smart enough to make the right moves, shouldn’t preclude us from advocating them.

    ///
    I agree with this but the yankees are caught up in irrelevancies like public perception.ARod would welcome Manny,as would Cano and it’d be great to have not one,but two of the truly elite rh hitters in the lineup,particularly since we could be adding another with that kind of potential.manny can’t field,however,& posada is the DH and a SH.I actually think the players all would welcome Manny because players want to win & he’s lost some slug but still a devastating hitter and a clutch one, even though those “don’t exist.”& if you want to use Manny off the bench and at DH on the odd day Posada is catching,where does that leave Montero if he’s here & if he’s not doesn’t it stall his coming here?Finally,the yanks won’t do it,even though ManRam would be coming home.

  32. BoJo January 9th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    If the Yankees do not obtain Soriano ina sign and trade deal with a team like the Nats, then I would still prefer they move Joba and Nova to slots #4 and #5, and bring up Brackman as EIG. Or Noesi

    If Aceves truly can come back as predicted, then Giorardi should be able to once again put together a decent bullpen without Joba.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    LGY January 9th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
    Prufrock,

    Manny is my all time favorite non Yankee baseball player. I have wanted him to don the pinstripes for years.

    ///
    well we have a bond after all.I used to stay up & be groggy the next day just to the Dodgers just to watch ManRam ABs.I remember Manny’s first ABs at Yankee Stadium,too.I could gush all day about this guy.but the yanks won’t sign him. besides, like I said,he is dangerous in the OF.love him,tho,& I think we had the same dream.

  34. randy l. January 9th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    “Not after he was undermined all those yrs by the so-called Tampa faction.”

    someone should write a book about the tampa faction and it’s role in yankee baseball.

    without knowing much myself i’d be really interested to read it.

    my vague understanding of how it worked was george believed in having creative differences between warring factions in an organization so that lots of ideas were put on the table and that results would come from the winners of these battles when they all came together.

    i had some connections with these old school guys( tony cloninger, clete boyer and some personal contact( billy conners ) but ironically when i was actually doing baseball( bullpen catching” i didn’t wear my yankee fan hat and paid little attention to how the yankees did things back then.

    i do know that neil allen was stole from the blue jays organization hired by the tampa faction. i also know that cashman got rid of him because of his connection to the tampa faction.

    considering that allen is now the rays triple a manager does indeed back up the idea that there is a yankee coaching and scouting drain to the rays.

    it makes sense personnel from the two organizations would mix because both organizations operate out of tampa and they all know each other from spring training in tampa and minor league teams that operate out of there. playing golf, and other activities they would also cross paths.

    it’s kind of ironic eiland and allen both yankee rising star triple a coaches( allen produced wang and eland produced hughes ) both are in pitching coach positions with the rays now.
    (i’m going to have to stop telling neil allen stories now that he’s back at triple a.
    too close to the majors )

    not that anyone reads this blog besides us , but never underestimate the power of google :)

  35. J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    LGY- I also think manny would quickly win the hearts of yank fans who have hated him all these yrs,excepting the most intractable.he’s a heights kid,after all.

  36. BoJo January 9th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    It will be interesting to see what Boras gets for Manny, and then compare the final results of his Boras-influenced decision to bolt Red Sox vs staying at the expected extension.

    I can’t recall the totals off the top of my head…Anyone remember??

  37. ChokeXOnXFailure January 9th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    Am I the only one who finds the CAIRO projections that LGY posted really insultingly low?

    Most noticeably are the averages for Granderson and Swisher, and to an extent, the OBP for Gardner. After changing their swings and plate approaches, Granderson and Swisher are different players. To just assume they’re going to “forget” those changes and revert shows and over-reliance on statistics.

    I also find it baffling that Jeter is the only one they predict will bounce back next year, with Tex batting only in the .270s. And not for nothin’, but I think Cano is going to bat about 10 points higher than what was predicted.

  38. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    “I agree with this but the yankees are caught up in irrelevancies like public perception.”

    One of the benefits of having Jeter around is that he seems to have the ability (perhaps along with other veterans) to help most “questionable’ players comport themselves in accordance with the Yankee way, whatever that is. So public perception shouldn’t be a problem.

    “Manny off the bench and at DH on the odd day Posada is catching,where does that leave Montero if he’s here & if he’s not doesn’t it stall his coming here?Finally,the yanks won’t do it,even though ManRam would be coming home.”

    I don’t think Posada is going to catch very much, and at least according to Cashman he has to prove that he can still hit enough to be the regular DH.

    Manny can hit enough that you can live with his defense once or twice a week.

    I think Montero could catch 60 games and be the occasional DH, more if he really hits.

    I would worry about PT for others if and when it becomes an issue.

  39. randy l. January 9th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    “It’s self-defeating. It may make more likely that they make the playoffs every year, but it hurts their chances of winning as many WS as possible.”

    rich in nj-

    i tend too agree with you.

    i commented on this the the other night.

    it’s not so much the guys like hughes that need a whole year of patience because he’s so good the cream will eventually rise on it’s own.

    it’s more important to be patient with guys like karstens or ohlendorf who take time getting actual mlb experience to make the final jump to being a mlb pitcher.

    the twins did give most of their starters a full year of 5.5 era or higher and thats how they get those 4.5 guys a few years later.

    those are the guys the yanks aren’t developing. nova may be in this position this year. do they commit to him for a year if he’s 5.50-6.00era. they should because that’s perfectly fine for a #5 guy.

    but will they? probably not.

  40. Doreen January 9th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    randy l -

    the problem is the winner of the battle may simply have been who had more constant access to george’s ear. Not only that, but the winner of the battle may not have had the best idea. Just the squeakiest wheel.

  41. randy l. January 9th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    “I don’t think Posada is going to catch very much, and at least according to Cashman he has to prove that he can still hit enough to be the regular DH.”

    if posada has to prove he can hit, why doesn’t cashman have to prove he can think?

  42. yankeefeminista January 9th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    I have to get in on the Manny love fest. Secret confession: I have always loved Manny going back to his Boston days. Bring Manny home to the Bronx. lol!

    (Although I truly think Posada will do a good job at DH and in practical terms, hes, what do you do with Montero then?)

  43. yankeefeminista January 9th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    *then* not “hes”

  44. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    “someone should write a book about the tampa faction and it’s role in yankee baseball.”

    There’s some stuff in this book:

    http://books.google.com/books?.....38;f=false

  45. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    “if posada has to prove he can hit, why doesn’t cashman have to prove he can think?”

    He does have four rings, and the aging curve for GMs in their 40s tends to be flatter than for MLB players approaching 40.

  46. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    randy

    Not Karstens, who I think sucks because he is a flyball pitcher with very little velo or movement, but I agree with the general point.

  47. randy l. January 9th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    “the problem is the winner of the battle may simply have been who had more constant access to george’s ear. Not only that, but the winner of the battle may not have had the best idea. Just the squeakiest wheel.”

    doreen-

    agree that could happen. but think about it. do you really know what the tampa faction was?

    i don’t and i should know , but i don’t.

    seriously, there is a real value in crusty old guys who used to play the game at the mlb level.
    if you look closely at the supposedly progressive rays you’ll see a lot of these guys.

    the coming to decisions by warring factions yelling at each other is pure george steinbrenner.

    having everyone be kiss asses and tell the boss what he wants to hear isn’t necessarily the best management style either. i kind of think that’s what’s going on now.

    i think this because i don’t see strong personalities sticking with the yankees now.

    i remember you even commented comically once that all the coaches looked alike (long, eland, and thompson)if i remember right.

    personally i think a little yelling behind closed doors is healthy.

  48. BoJo January 9th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Never mind–I looked it up myself.

    Manny had 2 options years with Red Sox left at $20M per.

    Boras was able to get him a 2 year deal at $42.3M in LA. So, in the end, he ended up with an additional $2.3M–or perhaps $1.5M after agent fees and taxes.

    Source: http://www.baseball-reference......#contracts

    That closes out the comparison. But I think Boras stole Manny away from his old agent by floating visions of a 5 to 6 year deal at $25M per year. Funny how that worked out. I wonder if Manny would still feel his reputation was worth the extra $1.5M?

    As interesting point of reference, Manny signed on March 1, 2009. So Soriano still has time.

  49. Doreen January 9th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    I thought Eiland was part of the problem?

    At least that’s what I’ve read here. That once Joba, Hughes & Kennedy got to the majors, the development stopped even though they brought Eiland up in part because he was part of their successful development in the minors.

    Look, I don’t know anything. But at least I admit that there could be lots of pieces to the puzzle that is the New York Yankees.

    Reading here, you’d think the Yankees were just a horrendous organization that is lucky to be competing.

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    it’s kind of ironic eiland and allen both yankee rising star triple a coaches( allen produced wang and eland produced hughes ) both are in pitching coach positions with the rays now.
    (i’m going to have to stop telling neil allen stories now that he’s back at triple a.
    too close to the majors )

    not that anyone reads this blog besides us , but never underestimate the power of google

    ///
    i am fairly certain that ideas joe fan comes up with wind up in columns,etc.these guys scour the boards and even those who make bb decisions do.cashman admits he reads the blogs ,saying he’s not too proud to consider an idea,if he thinks it’s a good one. it’s obvious that the internet commenter is leading the dialogue & educating the baseball writer than the other way around I would say.telling tales outa school on the net does mean letting school out.ironic the guy that “created” wang & the one that “destroyed” him in ny are now linked in a common cause?be even stranger if tampa had wang.

  51. randy l. January 9th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    “There’s some stuff in this book:

    http://books.google.com/books?…..38;f=false”

    thanks, bookmarked it.

  52. Doreen January 9th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    randy l -

    I’d love to know!

    But it feels wrong to sit here and make judgments without knowing.

    I do think it’s possible to have one theory within the organization and then different ideas about how to work that theory the best way. I don’t know which is better – competing philosophies or competing ideas within the same basic philosophy. I tend to think the latter gets more accomplished.

    I don’t remember making that comment but it sounds like something I might say. :)

    I had always pictured the Tampa faction as the business people who didn’t know as much about baseball as the NY people; and I always felt that got their way simply because they had more proximate access to George. I had the feeling that Cashman got short shrift many times simply because he was holding down the fort 2000 miles away. That he would think things were settled one way but the minute he left town, George could be gotten to by someone else.

    I think it’s probably not a good thing that the Yankees are run out of the same town as a division rival, but that’s the way it is. I do think it makes it easier to guys to cross over. But baseball is pretty inbred as it is.

  53. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    When Cashman got more power:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10.....nted=print

    Cashman also said the Yankees wanted to pare their $203 million payroll, pointing to the success this season with the rookies Robinson Cano and Chien-Ming Wang.

    “We need to bring the payroll down,” he said. “You don’t need to have a high name everywhere.”

    Some of the names on the Yankees’ roster were players Cashman acquired. Others are on the team because of decisions Cashman did not endorse. He preferred Vladimir Guerrero to Gary Sheffield, for example, and Miguel Cairo to Tony Womack.

  54. BoJo January 9th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
    ++++++++++++++
    What blogs do you suspect he reads?

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    One of the benefits of having Jeter around is that he seems to have the ability (perhaps along with other veterans) to help most “questionable’ players comport themselves in accordance with the Yankee way, whatever that is. So public perception shouldn’t be a problem.

    ////

    Right, but it’s not that public perception would be the problem, it’s the yanks’ notion that this would be some transgression thereof.

    “I don’t think Posada is going to catch very much, and at least according to Cashman he has to prove that he can still hit enough to be the regular DH.

    Manny can hit enough that you can live with his defense once or twice a week.”

    ///

    but they’re not paying Posada 13M to not use him as the DH.manny’d make more sense if Po was catching more often,because you could have Manny DH in those games.if manny plays defense once or twice a week,it’d have to be in RF.could we move swisher to left?I don’t think he’d cover well enough,but you wouldn’t sit Swisher instead of gardner,defeating the whole idea of getting another RHB in there on those days.the problem is,Manny in left would be a roller coaster ride.

    “I think Montero could catch 60 games and be the occasional DH, more if he really hits.”

    The yanks still would be substituting Ramirez’s bat for Montero’s.if LF were different,you could do this more harmoniously,but it’s just too big for manny to cover.in his better days,manny was not that bad an OF.he’s really really slowed down out there though.

    All that said,I’d be willing to roll the dice and bring him in & find a way to work it out,but it’s highly unlikely.

  56. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    “Right, but it’s not that public perception would be the problem, it’s the yanks’ notion that this would be some transgression thereof.”

    I guess I give them more credit for being open-minded.

    “but they’re not paying Posada 13M to not use him as the DH.manny’d make more sense if Po was catching more often,because you could have Manny DH in those games.if manny plays defense once or twice a week,it’d have to be in RF.could we move swisher to left?I don’t think he’d cover well enough,but you wouldn’t sit Swisher instead of gardner,defeating the whole idea of getting another RHB in there on those days.the problem is,Manny in left would be a roller coaster ride.”

    As I said, Cashman has said that it isn’t guaranteed that Posada is the everyday DH and that they don’t see him as a catcher anymore. So apparently his contract will get him an opportunity rather than assure him of regular PT.

    With that in mind, why not have a credible fallback plan who can rake, rather than the enigmatic and inconsistent Andruw Jones?

    If you want to be Damon instead of Manny, I’m ok with that.

  57. BoJo January 9th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Manny has lost a lot of power this past year..I’d pass and look to Montero for those ABs

  58. West Coast Yankee Fan January 9th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Patrick January 9th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    WCYF, Everything is “joke material”.

    **************************

    Everything? Really Patrick? What about the tragedy yesterday where a nine year old innocent girl got killed?

  59. J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    BoJo January 9th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
    ++++++++++++++
    What blogs do you suspect he reads?

    ///

    Bojo -

    IIRC,he said he reads all of them.I would guess that’s this one,RiverAve,NYYFan & others heavy on the comment section.

  60. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    Cash reads NYYFans? Uh oh…

  61. Doreen January 9th, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    I don’t know if Manny is as productive as he was.

    I thought Gary Sheffield was fine. I thought he “toed the line” for the most part – at least on a very basic level. I kind of miss him, to be honest.

    As silly as it sounds, I think the hair thing with Manny is my other problem with it. The Yankees have a policy that every new Yankee has had to adhere to and I truly don’t see Manny being able to do it. He didn’t (not really) for the Dodgers and he didn’t for the White Sox. It’s a basic thing he won’t do.

    So lessened production plus hair issue equals I don’t think I’d want Manny.

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    BoJo January 9th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
    Manny has lost a lot of power this past year..I’d pass and look to Montero for those ABs

    ///

    he did lose power,but he might regain it.he just has such fantastic hitting tools.i agree though,that I woudn’t trade off montero’s easing in for a yr of manny,& that’s how the yanks would likely see it working out.

  63. J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    Rich in NJ January 9th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
    Cash reads NYYFans? Uh oh…

    ///

    hell if i know,but he claimed to be well-read in the blogosphere & entertain ideas posted therein.

    hey Chad/Sam,why not ask Cash which ones he reads?

  64. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    “Manny has lost a lot of power this past year..I’d pass and look to Montero for those ABs

    With the Dodgers:
    .311/.405/.510/.915 OPS+ 151

    He didn’t have a good second half, but his LD% in

    Aug: 33.3 %
    Sept: 28.3 %
    Career 22.7 %

    So I think he can still hit the ball hard.

    How many games do we think Montero is going to play under any circumstance?

    60 games at C is a pretty good way to break in.

    Manny’s AB can come in the OF and DH at the expense of whoever isn’t hitting as well.

  65. BoJo January 9th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Let Tampa sign Manny and Thome…I wonder if Jim can still play 1B at all…

  66. J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    So lessened production plus hair issue equals I don’t think I’d want Manny

    ///

    hmm may I ask what it is to you how the man wears his hair.dreadlocks have a personal and social meaning for some,& to deny them is to try and de-culture them,which I think is really wrong.manny’s hair does not interfere with his ability to play baseball.

  67. BoJo January 9th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    I would NOT want to see Manny in the Yankee OF…almost as bad as Thames.

  68. J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    BoJo January 9th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
    Let Tampa sign Manny and Thome…I wonder if Jim can still play 1B at all…

    ///

    Good park for RH power hitter.i think they’ll kick the tires.Thome is a good hitter all over but it’s not a lefty’s park.

  69. J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    BoJo January 9th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
    I would NOT want to see Manny in the Yankee OF…almost as bad as Thames.

    ///

    you’d have to close our eyes & say a quiet prayer:D

  70. BoJo January 9th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    hmm may I ask what it is to you how the man wears his hair.dreadlocks have a personal and social meaning for some,& to deny them is to try and de-culture them,which I think is really wrong.manny’s hair does not interfere with his ability to play baseball.
    ++++++++++++++++
    I’m sure if it was the Manny who drove in over 150 RBI, he could wear a uniform made out of his hair for all the Yankees would care, but this Manny doesn’t get a pass on their hair policy.

    And frankly, I don’t see him as any upgrade over a Posada/Montero patchwork.

  71. Doreen January 9th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    J Alfred Prufrock -

    i usually refrain from responding to your posts.

    I told you what my problem was with is hair – the Yankees have a policy.

    The Dodgers had a less strict policy and for a time Manny at least trimmed his hair so his numbers were readable, but weren’t kept that way.

    The White Sox had a policy that he didn’t even try to adhere to, probably because he knew it was a short-term stay.

    I couldn’t care less about his hair as hair.

    I care about it as an issue that speaks to adhering to a club policy – an employer’s policy, if you will. And i don’t have a problem with a workplace having certain standards (arbitrary though they might seem to us) for their employees.

  72. blake January 9th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    When would Manny play? Are they going to make Posada the backup catcher or would Manny accept a bench role? In a vacuum Manny’s bat would be nice to have around but I just see it causing a lot of waves in reality….

  73. yankeefeminista January 9th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    Thome’s righty splits were crazy-good.

    Manny could regain pop; you never know what was ailing him.

    I think TB is definitely on Manny depending on cost. He would “kill it” at the Trop.

    I thought Cash reads Lohud as well. I can’t find the quote though.

  74. blake January 9th, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    If Manny could man LF against tough lefties then that would add value but he’s a bad defender……worse than Damon.

  75. yankeefeminista January 9th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Manny would do better manning LF at the Trop. Our LF would be a challenge for him to say the least. But I would love his bat.

  76. J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    If you want to be Damon instead of Manny, I’m ok with that.

    ///

    Damon would not be a bad add-on but I would prefer Manny.Damon is creaky in left but not impossible.I’d still rather have the better bat.

  77. yankeefeminista January 9th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    blake January 9th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
    When would Manny play? Are they going to make Posada the backup catcher or would Manny accept a bench role? In a vacuum Manny’s bat would be nice to have around but I just see it causing a lot of waves in reality…

    Yes, this is all true, plus there is the Montero factor.

  78. blake January 9th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    I would love his bat too but it comes along with other problems…..what do you do with Posada? He’s a leader on that team…..I doubt him losing PT to Manny would go over well in that clubhouse. Part of being a good bench player is being able to accept that role…..is Manny there? He could cause problems if he’s not.

  79. Doreen January 9th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    Also, I don’t like the impression Manny has left that when he’s done with an organization he’s done and can literally turn it off.

    Whether it’s true or not, that’s the impression he’s left.

  80. J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    BoJo January 9th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    hmm may I ask what it is to you how the man wears his hair.dreadlocks have a personal and social meaning for some,& to deny them is to try and de-culture them,which I think is really wrong.manny’s hair does not interfere with his ability to play baseball.
    ++++++++++++++++
    I’m sure if it was the Manny who drove in over 150 RBI, he could wear a uniform made out of his hair for all the Yankees would care, but this Manny doesn’t get a pass on their hair policy.

    And frankly, I don’t see him as any upgrade over a Posada/Montero patchwork.

    /////

    Manny had trimmed his dreads in LA,which would probably be an acceptable compromise,because he wouldn’t have to completely shear them away and deny the statement they make about identity.this is a big deal with certain island peoples & I respect their right.

    like I said,I’m not willing to sacrifice ABs for Montero for a yr of Manny.but it’s a delightful if unrealistic topic,because the guy has been so great throughout a singular career.& like LGY & YankFem,I always pined a little to see him in pinstripes.

  81. blake January 9th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    I would rather have Damon than Manny for numerous reasons…..one of which is because I know he’s not going to quit if things don’t to his way…..and because if he signed with NY he would be realizing the role he was taking.

  82. Doreen January 9th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    And let me say this about the hair policy.

    I don’t know if this is planned, but I believe it becomes a rite of passage, in a way. It is a common experience for those who come aboard the Yankees – you get your hair cut and your facial hair removed. It’s immediately a bonding thing. A Yankee thing.

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Doreen January 9th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
    J Alfred Prufrock -

    i usually refrain from responding to your posts.

    ///

    well don’t start now then :D . i would not want to take you out of your comfort zone. consider my query un-queried.

  84. Doreen January 9th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    I always like watching Manny play (he seemed to have a lot of fun) and especially hit, but I always believed that if I saw him every day I might not like him quite so much.

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock January 9th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    blake January 9th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
    I would rather have Damon than Manny for numerous reasons…..one of which is because I know he’s not going to quit if things don’t to his way…..and because if he signed with NY he would be realizing the role he was taking.

    ///

    On a 1yr deal,I think Manny “quitting” is a minute risk. his career is far from over & he’d be playing for the following yr’s contract.but I agree with those on here concerned about montero ABs & also how relevant it would be with posada already the DH.just fun to wonder about.

    ///

    i think I’ll catch up on NFL action now.good day,all. the manny stuff was fun.

  86. Doreen January 9th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    You can’t unquery because I already answered you. :)

  87. randy l. January 9th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    i think posada is a really good hitter on the bench, but it wouldn’t hurt to have another masher on the bench.

    remember the good old days when the yankees had sierra or raines or strawberry coming off the bench.

  88. BoJo January 9th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    I think Matt Damon would play a better OF now than Johnny.

  89. randy l. January 9th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    “I thought Cash reads Lohud as well. I can’t find the quote though.”

    once they started registration that stopped him from using all those pro cashman aliases .

    he used to be a real pain telling me how he was a great division three second baseman.

  90. filthy slider January 9th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    Stop helping this poor excuse for a G.M. Why are you people in the press giving him cover vfor his ineptitude.Of his 12 # 1 picks 1 is on the Yankee roster Phil Hughes. His #1 picks are no Holy Grail , far from it. The Boss is gone & this is what we get. Cashman is the sock puppet when you remove your hand. The Boss’ hand has been removed.

  91. randy l. January 9th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    i didn’t realize the little girl killed in the arizona shootings was dallas green’s granddaughter. her dad being a dodger scout.

  92. MaineYankee January 9th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Doreen

    Being in RS territory I get their games and I did get tired of Manny’s act. So did RS fans.

  93. Mell January 9th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    “i didn’t realize the little girl killed in the arizona shootings was dallas green’s granddaughter. her dad being a dodger scout”

    Heard her mother on television earlier today talking about her. Seemed like a pretty special little girl. Just a heartbreaking story.

  94. Doreen January 9th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    Maine Yankee -

    Like your nutty uncle that’s fun to see once a year, but that’s about it. :)

  95. lounge lizard January 9th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    Posada: (101 G) .267/.354/.458 .812 OPS 15 HR 59 RBIs
    Gardner: (132 G) .270/.358/.372 .730 OPS 5 HR 41 RBIs

    Thome: .825 OPS
    Jones: .746 OPS
    Manny: .914 OPS
    Damon: .784 OPS
    Vladdy: .857 OPS

    ________________________________________________________

    These are CAIRO projections for 2011 posted above (thank you and apologies for my own use).

    Cashman likes “clear roles” . He doesn’t like controversy. His “goal” is to sign someone bad enough not to challenge Gardner and Posada for playing time and ABs. Which makes Jones most likely.

    I wish I were joking.

  96. Gary January 9th, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    Rich in NJ January 9th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
    “Well for better or worse, the philosophy around the team is that they must win the world series every year.”

    It’s self-defeating. It may make more likely that they make the playoffs every year, but it hurts their chances of winning as many WS as possible.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    Well Rich I’d fail to see the negative aspects in wanting to win every year, I think that most professional teams enter a season with the goal of winning the championship.

    Given that they have only won the WS once in the last 10 years I think suggests some different problems.

  97. MaineYankee January 9th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Doreen January 9th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
    Maine Yankee -

    Like your nutty uncle that’s fun to see once a year, but that’s about it.

    —————————————————————-

    I’m offended that you’d call my uncle nutty!

  98. Gary January 9th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    Another boring day on the Yankee front. Just like yesterday, just like tomm.

  99. Doreen January 9th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    Maine Yankee -

    Ooops!

    I meant MY nutty uncle! :lol:

  100. BoJo January 9th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    lounge lizard January 9th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    Cashman likes “clear roles” . He doesn’t like controversy. His “goal” is to sign someone bad enough not to challenge Gardner and Posada for playing time and ABs. Which makes Jones most likely.

    I wish I were joking.
    ++++++++++++
    Recalling years when players like Kenny Lofton, Rueben Sierra, Cecil Fielder, and others would complain about playing time, I don’t disagree with that approach. You sign a player who knows what his role will be and who will focus on doing that well as opposed to playing politics to get playing time.

  101. MaineYankee January 9th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    Doreen

    J/K :lol:

  102. randy l. January 9th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    doreen-
    this is for you to show you how the minor leagues are kind of random.

    “NC: Banuelos will probably come to instructional leagues. I’m not sure if he’s allowed to go to the AFL, because he probably is owned by a team in Mexico for the winter. … ”

    this is nardi contrera talking about banuelos last summer.

    http://www.trentonian.com/arti.....=fullstory

    just think that a major prospect for the yankees is “owned” by a mexican team for the winter so the yankees can’t send him where they want ?

    i just find this very odd.

  103. randy l. January 9th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    “I’m offended that you’d call my uncle nutty!”

    the acorn doesn’t fall far from the family tree :)

  104. yankeefeminista January 9th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    Doreen January 9th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
    Also, I don’t like the impression Manny has left that when he’s done with an organization he’s done and can literally turn it off.

    Whether it’s true or not, that’s the impression he’s left.

    blake January 9th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
    I would rather have Damon than Manny for numerous reasons…..one of which is because I know he’s not going to quit if things don’t to his way…..and because if he signed with NY he would be realizing the role he was taking.
    _______
    Although the stats didn’t bear out the Manny quitting stuff in Boston. In fact, I recall he carried them statistically through June and July of 08, although the convenient Boston narrative would *say* he quit on them, the numbers unequivocally don’t bear that out. He was a big reason they made the playoffs, and once traded, a big reason Boston lost to Tampa.

  105. SAS January 9th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    Randy,

    As I think you know, I am in AZ, and what happened yesterday was horrendous regardless of whose granddaughter this child might be. A Federal Judge, a Congresswoman, an aide, a 9 yr. old girl, and several old folks were killed, many others were wounded and all for nothing.

    ———————————————————————————————-

    :arrow: Yankees organizational depth: first base

  106. MaineYankee January 9th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    yankeefeminista

    Manny made it an annual event to have a fantom injurie so he got time off.

    One time he left Seattle because he was to injured to play and then it was reported he showed up here in Portland to go to a strip club with Ortiz who was here rehabbing.

    One time the RS were playing the Yankees in NY. Manny was to sick to play but was seen out on the town with Enrique Wilson.

    They had him PH and all he did was watch 3 FB for strikes without swinging the bat.

    There are more stories besides these.

  107. Bo knows January 9th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    I was looking for the year that Big Georger fired most of the scouting department and came across this. The Boss at his finest.

    http://articles.sun-sentinel.c.....ee-stadium

    Steinbrenner Makes Thrift Move, Keeps Vp, Scouts At Home
    July 06, 1989|New York Daily News

    NEW YORK — In an incredibly miserly exhibition of Pinstripe Penny Pinching, George Steinbrenner has anchored Vice President Syd Thrift in his Yankee Stadium office and kept his many scouts off the road.

    Sources told the New York Daily News Tuesday that the usually free- spending Steinbrenner ordered Thrift to discontinue traveling with the team a month ago, relegating him to his stadium office.

    The reason? Insiders say Steinbrenner is simply scrimping, trying to save money.

    “We`re cutting back on expenses,“ Steinbrenner said. “We`re trying to run this thing like a business. Nobody ever pointed a finger at George Steinbrenner and said he`s cheap. But we have a budget, like any business, and we have to stick to it.“

    Steinbrenner cited a player payroll of $20 million, plus $2.08 million for minor-league scouting, an additional $4.9 million for player development and $200,000 in travel expenses for the June draft.

    “That`s almost $7,300,000 for player development and scouting alone,“ Steinbrenner said. “I don`t think any other team has that high a budget. And that doesn`t include an $800,000 payroll for scouts, $435,000 in travel and expenses for scouts, the cost of computer hardware. It`s just too much, and we`re going to have to cut back.“

    The grounding of Thrift and the scouts goes hand-in-hand with recent cost- cutting measures, such as the team busing to Baltimore in mid-June and taking a 4 1/2-hour bus ride to Boston after Thursday`s game.

    “This guy has the biggest private television contract in the history of professional sports and he`s saving money by keeping Thrift in his office,“ a source outside the organization said, alluding to the Yankees` $500 million deal with Madison Square Garden Network. “To me, that`s incredible. I don`t know if George realizes this team can win and Thrift has to get out there and see what he`s got. Even if he doesn`t want him to travel with the team, and some GMs don`t, you would at least want him to survey what the organization has in the minor leagues. To keep him in New York is definitely self- defeating.“

    Making it more amazing is Steinbrenner`s history of doling out the dollars. The Boss opened the financial floodgates when free agency stepped to the forefront in baseball.

    Steinbrenner showered Catfish Hunter, Reggie Jackson, Don Gullett, Goose Gossage and Dave Winfield with multimillion-dollar contracts.

    But the man who gave Winfield a record-breaking $20-million-plus pact is keeping his baseball people out of hotels and off planes to save a few bucks.

    “Syd`s main strength is that he is an evaluator of talent,“ said one Yankee source. “He has to see what`s going on. George has even stopped him from going to Columbus overnight to see the farm system. Why did the man even hire him?“

    When asked if he has been banished from the road, Thrift said, “I have no comment on that.“ Then he walked away.

    “This is a business and we`re going to run it like a business,“ Steinbrenner said. “We`re cutting back. We`re going to get production out of our people or they`re gone.“

    .


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