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Here we go again

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 10, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Time to start another week with the Yankees still needing to find the final pieces of their roster. A quick list of priorities:

Andy Pettitte
If not Pettitte, then someone who can legitimately help the rotation for next season. Starting pitching has been the priority all winter, and that hasn’t changed. It does, however, become significantly more difficult if Pettitte decides he’s finished.

Fourth outfielder
I actually like the idea of Andruw Jones for the Yankees. They need a right-handed hitter who makes some noise against lefties and can play a solid right or left field. Jones fits. He’s not what he use to be, but the Yankees don’t need him to be what he used to be.

Relief pitcher
Not a necessity, but there are enough relievers still on the market that the Yankees might as well go after one of them. If the Rays want Brian Fuentes, they can probably offer him a better opportunity than the Yankees. A guy like Jon Rauch, though, could play a role at the right price. Again, not a necessity, but this is what the market offers.

Rotation depth
Even if the Yankees get Pettitte back, another arm to compete for a rotation spot in spring training couldn’t hurt. Jeremy Bonderman, Jeff Francis and Freddy Garcia have been linked to the Yankees this winter.

Utility infielder
I’ve written several times that I don’t believe a utility man should be a priority this winter — I think it makes more sense to stick with the in-house options — but if an upgrade is available, the Yankees might as well look into the possibility. Consider it part of Brian Cashman’s wide net. Worth looking into. Might or might not be worth signing.

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125 Responses to “Here we go again”

  1. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Nova has had a great winter campaign, and deserves a shot at the #5.

    Any consideration of Bruce Chen? Check out his line in his final start against the Rays…he had a great resurgance after using his change up more.

    Andruw Jones is going to give you one good month and then do a great Austin Kearns impersonation. I’d rather any internal option like Golson or Russo or Baird.

  2. Mell January 10th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Agree with you on the utility infielder, Chad. Cashman’s recent history suggest he’ll go with the in house options (Nunez, perhaps Pena) and then make a Jerry Hairston-type pick up later in the season if things aren’t panning out. Can’t wait on the 4th OF though. I’d be good with Jones as well.

  3. Mell January 10th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Bojo:

    Jones can still rake against against LHP’s, which would really be his job description here. .931 OPS last season (.865 for his career). Golson can’t hit at all, but probably represents a nice defensive replacement guy.

  4. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Baird? You mean Laird?

  5. dan l January 10th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    I want Heilman, Milledge and Thome.

  6. Mike Ri January 10th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    I’d like the Yanks to take a shot on Bonderman. i’m fine with Jones too.

  7. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    for me, these guys can go internal for options if they want, but no way should we have to pay to see Sergio Mitre in our rotation. The rest, whatever……

  8. YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    personally i never could stand bonderman, but if hes healthy, he would add some depth. i dont think the leve of pitchers that are fa’s now will have much impact, but it makes sense to increase the depth at SP even with lesser talent, just in case.

    as much as we love to kick Sir fat sidney around here, and believe me, i love kicking him as much as anybody, he did contribute in a time of need.

    bonderman or whoever’s left could come in handy at some point this year.

  9. YankeesNmore January 10th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    In my opinion, to refer to adding a reliever (in particular, a quality setup man) as “Not a necessity” is to ignore how critical what Kerry Wood did for this team last season was.

  10. rotologo January 10th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Bonderman and Francis could work fine. Not so sure about Jones but if he comes cheap why not. Thome can obviously still mash but the Yanks have no need for a DH with all the older players and with Jorge supposedly the everyday DH. I’d rather see a good utliity man. They are a lot harder to find than a #4 OF. Plus, if anyone besides Jorge is the DH, I’d actually like to see Montero get a shot.

  11. YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    i think the yankees have set the precident for a few years of going into the season with the idea that what’s on the roster gets first crack at becoming a working bullpen, then they go get whatever’s missing on the market during the season. the fact that a kerry wood was available mid season last year shows that there is no rush in mid-january to sign a big money guy to come in and be the eig.

  12. YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    if the yankees are indeed going to carry 2 catchers besides jorge, then there is no room for a dh only guy. unless they decide jorge is the backup and leave cervelli off the roster, they cant carry thome.

  13. Chambliss January 10th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    I would give Andruw Jones a shot. He is well past his prime, but he is a dangerous hitter and hoepfully still competent in the outfield.

  14. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    1. My sympathies to Dallas Green and everyone else who was impacted by Saturday’s evil events.

    2. Glad to see Vick’s season end. I can’t deal with all the praise being showered upon a guy who murdered dogs for fun.

    3. I would like to see the Yankees sign Andruw Jones, and some combination of Bonderman, Francis and Freddy Garcia. Additionally I would like Rauch for the pen – if not him Fuentes.

    4. I don’t think the Yankees will sign a utility infielder but they may deal for one this spring training. If Romulo Sanchez doesn’t look like he’s going to make the squad he’ll probably be dealt since he’s out of options.

    You could probably get back either a similar type of minor leauger for him or possibly send him to a team that is looking to cut a little payroll (Dodgers for Casey Blake?)

  15. DocTodd January 10th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Okay Cashman,let’s get plan B going buddy…..

  16. 108 stitches January 10th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    No to Bonderman, Francis, or Garcia unless they take a minor league deal with an invite to ST which won’t happen.
    Andruw Jones has versatility to the OF but his bat is suspect.
    The in-house duo of Laird and Golson bring versatility and in Golson’s case …… speed.
    Seeing as Cashman is so hell bent on not giving up a 1st round draft choice for Soriano, settle on Jon Rauch.
    At this date, don’t count on Pettitte. See what Houston wants for Wandy Rodriquez and if it’s reasonable, pull the trigger on a deal. Can’t fathom the thought of Mitre or Chamberlain in the starting rotation whatsoever.

  17. m1kew January 10th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    I am more comfortable going with in house solutions such as Russo, Laird and Nunez for the bench and any combination of the ready (not the killer Bs) young arms for the BP. SP was identified as the need from the beginning of the off season and remains so but the need is somewhat lessened if AP returns. I think Nova works fine as the #5 guy with Mitre in the BP so the need is to find a #4 starter who can eat innings and keep the Yankees in the game. Given their offense a pitcher with an ERA in the low to mid 4s should work fine. I think Cashman is doing all he can and should do and I believe patience makes the most sense.

  18. randy l. January 10th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    doreen-

    saw you have to wait a bit to get your new tiguan.it’s worth waiting to get what you want, because you’ll have it for a long time.

    not many people know it , but brian cashman tried to buy a tiguan too at your dealership. unlike you though he refused to make the best possible deal ahead of time and decided he’s going to wait out the dealership trying to get a better deal even if he has to wait for fourth of july.

    he did pick up a 1991 explorer to get around in the meantime that he’s confident will pass inspection if his new mechanic larry rothschild can get it running.

  19. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    And then he won the daytona 500 with it.

  20. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Sorry about earlier typoo…I did mean Laird…thanks!

    I keep recalling that Manny signed 2 years ago on March 1….Andy still has time (even if he has to stay in ST at start)

    I watched numerous White Sox games last year, and Jones was terrible after a strong start—-totally clueless at the plate…made Kearns look like Joe DiMaggio. I would really pass on this guy.

  21. Rich in NJ January 10th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    I don’t like the idea of Andruw Jones, and handedness shouldn’t matter.

  22. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 10:34 am
    Sorry about earlier typoo…I did mean Laird…thanks!

    I keep recalling that Manny signed 2 years ago on March 1….Andy still has time (even if he has to stay in ST at start)

    I watched numerous White Sox games last year, and Jones was terrible after a strong start—-totally clueless at the plate…made Kearns look like Joe DiMaggio. I would really pass on this guy.

    ——————–

    BoJo -

    I don’t think you can compare a hitter signing late to a pitcher signing late. Pitchers require a lot more work than hitters do to become “season ready” which is why pitchers and catchers report earlier than position players.

  23. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Rich in NJ January 10th, 2011 at 10:35 am
    I don’t like the idea of Andruw Jones, and handedness shouldn’t matter.

    —————

    Why not?

  24. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    YankeesNmore January 10th, 2011 at 9:35 am
    In my opinion, to refer to adding a reliever (in particular, a quality setup man) as “Not a necessity” is to ignore how critical what Kerry Wood did for this team last season was.

    ——————

    I think the question is: do you have to add a reliever before the season starts?

    Relief pitchers and utility players are always available in July and August so is it imperative to add one now or can you roll with your inhouse options and then re-evaluate as you go?

  25. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Don’t know if any of you ever take the time to read any of the links under “My Favorite Baseball Sites,” but I clicked on one at random today and was pleasantly surprised by a gem of a story about Enos Slaughter and his days as a Yankee.

    Here is the link:

    http://www.billy-ball.com/

  26. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Chip–

    Signing late is not as big a problem if they stay in extended ST….it happens all the time.

  27. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    “All the time” being relative….it happens a lot

  28. randy l. January 10th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    “And then he won the daytona 500 with it.”

    yeah but it was the first time in history that a driver had to call triple A to tow him across the finish line.

  29. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 10:41 am
    Chip–

    Signing late is not as big a problem if they stay in extended ST….it happens all the time.

    ——————-

    Fair enough. Though I think at this point Andy returning is at best a 20% bet.

  30. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    BTW on Andruw Jones–

    Watching him play OF last season–he can’t play CF anymore and has really gone down hill on defense. He would be okay on corners, but nowhere near as good as Golson…probably about as good as Laird would be (guessing).

    Also, I would love to see what Kevin Long could do with Golson over a full season. The kid has power, speed, great arm and glove, and was making solid contact in all the games I saw him in late last year. Remember, he is only about 25 and a former #1 pick with great tools.

    Whereas signing Jones just clogs the roster with yet another over the hill vet. He won’t get that much playing time, and probably won’t make much difference in the games he does start.

  31. austinmac January 10th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Like others, I have been calling for a quality starter to be added. It is becoming all too clear that is not happening.

    The Yankees must acquire someone to give them innings, even 5.00 ERA innings. Otherwise, with Nova and Mitre going 4-5 innings a start, the bullpen will implode. As bad as Millwood is, who do the Yankees currently have in the 4 and 5 slot that can pitch the innings he can?

    Who is the long man in the bullpen now? They better have at least one who can pitch 120 innings out of the pen.

  32. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Chip January 10th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Fair enough. Though I think at this point Andy returning is at best a 20% bet.
    ————–
    You might be right…I hope you’re wrong. :-)

  33. 108 stitches January 10th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Ivan Nova deserves a shot. He was very serviceable in 2010 until he got into trouble after the 4th-5th innings or the 2nd time through a lineup. Some say he was tipping his pitches which should be cured by Rothschild to give him more length in games.
    Some say Hector Noesi is better but does he need more time at AAA ?

  34. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    austinmac January 10th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Millwood might be slightly better than Mitre for those innings…

    I still think Chen in YS would do well with the better defense behind him.

    And I would be happy giving the internal optinos a chance…but happiest if Joba was given the role.

  35. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    By the way, I do admire Jon Heyman. In the face of everything, including Brian Cashman’s own words, saying the Yankees will not go after Soriano there’s Heyman talking about how the Yankees have a real interest in Soriano.

  36. 108 stitches January 10th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Who is the long man in the bullpen now? They better have at least one who can pitch 120 innings out of the pen.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    It should be Mitre until Aceves is healthy again.

  37. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Chip

    We all know Heyman is Boras’s mouthpiece…I suspect Boras is trying to find a solution to meet Cashman’s requirements–no lost draft pick and cheap.

    If he is telling Heymen that he is working on it, then technically Yankees are still in picture.

  38. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    For 20 games Jones hit: 288 .405 .697 1.102

    Then went .212 .321 .420 .741 the rest of the year. Given how he has lost so much bat speed I’d bet on more of the latter.

  39. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Nova DOES deserve a shot, but at #5, not #4. They need something in there to bump Mitre off the roster (at least out of the rotation).

  40. tyanksfan36 January 10th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    I think Nova will be better beginning a season. You can’t forget that he had a ton of innings when he was playing in NY and was probably getting fatigued. He wasn’t having those issues in AAA. If you think the his start against the White Sox I believe he kept them to one run or none but it was good, his only win. and then things just went downhill. I think they should give him a serious shot, or just turn him into a long reliever if he can’t manage to get past 4 innings, which I totally think he will overcome.

  41. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    108 stitches January 10th, 2011 at 10:52 am
    Who is the long man in the bullpen now? They better have at least one who can pitch 120 innings out of the pen.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    It should be Mitre until Aceves is healthy again.

    ——————–

    Aceves is not a Yankee anymore

  42. Mike Ri January 10th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Nova DOES deserve a shot, but at #5, not #4. They need something in there to bump Mitre off the roster (at least out of the rotation).

    — Ac1—

    LOL LOL off the roster would be nice ! . .lol MEAT TRAY

  43. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    For those pumping up Zambrano’s late run, check out the game log of this pitcher…who would have posted about a 9-3 record after August 1 of last year.

    http://www.baseball-reference......#038;year=

  44. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Aceves has been rumored to be close to re-signing with Yankees, and could be a big help if he recovers quickly

  45. austinmac January 10th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    108 Stitches,

    Mitre is the 4th or 5th starter. Who is the long man? Aceves has been released. They need a starter.

    Mitre cannot give the innings Millwood can. Mitre has never thrown as many as 150 innings in a season.

  46. blake January 10th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    If Jones can come close to what Thames provided offensively last year then he makes more sense because he is at least passable at a corner OF spot…..this assuming he doesn’t cost a lot more. How well Andrew did probably would depend a lot of what kind of shape he showed up in.

  47. austinmac January 10th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Bojo,

    I think Chen is as good a free agent option as is out there. At least he is lefthanded.

    I do hope Aceves re-signs and is healthy. He has back and now his bike injuries to recover from so he unfortunately be put in the highly iffy category.

  48. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    Remember, Aceves was non-tendered after his injury to non-pitching shoulder (bike accident), because the team didn’t want to pay at same level if there was risk of return fom shoulder and back problems. But that doesn’t mean they don’t want to re-sign him at a lower make-good deal. The rumors are that he wants to come back with the Yankees,a nd is close to a deal.

  49. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 11:03 am
    Remember, Aceves was non-tendered after his injury to non-pitching shoulder (bike accident), because the team didn’t want to pay at same level if there was risk of return fom shoulder and back problems. But that doesn’t mean they don’t want to re-sign him at a lower make-good deal. The rumors are that he wants to come back with the Yankees,a nd is close to a deal.

    ————

    Well let’s wait and see on that before we start pencilling him in for the 4 spot in the rotation.

  50. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    austinmac January 10th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    I think Chen is as good a free agent option as is out there. At least he is lefthanded.
    ———-
    Exactly–he’ll still be pitching 40 years from now. :-)

    Once they get another SP who is better, he can always play a role in BP.

  51. Rich in NJ January 10th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    “Why not?”

    Because I think quality and versatility are more important factors.

  52. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Thames was incredibly lucky. I don’t think Jones hits anywhere near .300 like Thames did. It could happen, but two low avg hitters having crazy outlier .300 avg seasons back to back seems unlikely.

    I’d prefer Manny, but for obvious reasons the Yankees wouldn’t.

  53. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Chip–

    I see Aceves more as BP support as a replacement for Mitre. He’ll strengthen pen and add versatility.

  54. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    I’d prefer Manny, but for obvious reasons the Yankees wouldn’t.
    ——————–
    Hair today, gone tomorrow.

  55. blake January 10th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Jerkface,

    Thing is that I doubt Thames would do that well again either….and if not then you have a wasted roster spot….I like the guy but lightning usually doesn’t strike twice.

  56. blake January 10th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Id rather have Vlad than Manny if were going the older future HOFer that can’t play defense anymore route.

  57. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    It’s a shame Aceves has been beated down by injuries, because he would make this rotation no problem.

  58. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 11:05 am
    Chip–

    I see Aceves more as BP support as a replacement for Mitre. He’ll strengthen pen and add versatility.

    ———————-

    I’m not arguing with any of that – what I’m saying is that you’re putting a lot of faith in a guy who is unsigned and has chronic back issues.

  59. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Marcus Thames was a great value for the Yankees last year given what he signed for. It’s unlikely that they will get him to sign for that again and so if they’re going to have to spend more money the Yankees would prefer to spend it on a more complete ball player than Thames – that means someone who can play the field – such as Andruw Jones.

  60. DaSaint007 January 10th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Morning all.

    I’d love to have Aceves back, but haven’t heard rumors to the effect that they are negotiating. Can someone provide links.

    My choices for rounding up the squad are:
    FA SP: Francis, Garcia or Milwood. Trade: Edwin Jackson or Mark Buehrle
    RP: Jon Rauch
    4th OF: I’m ok with Jones, but Milledge is just as capable. Otherwise I’m ok with Golson and actually think he’d be ok. Marcus Thames proably won’t have the same production as he did last season, and he’s a major liability in the OF. Can’t have that with our current pitching staff.
    Utility IF: I’m fine with Nunez and/or Laird.

  61. dan l January 10th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Chen would be a terrible as a Yankee. I would much rather have Mitre then him.

  62. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Chip–

    Yeah…the back worries me more than the shoulder. The guy knows how to pitch, but back problems and herniated discs can really ruin a career.

    As ac1 said, it is too bad.

  63. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    dan l January 10th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Chen would be a terrible as a Yankee. I would much rather have Mitre then him.
    ——————–
    Based on what? Did you see the improvement he made late last season? Look again at his game logs….he turned the corner with a far superior change up than he had before.

  64. West Coast Yankee Fan January 10th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Chip – We all know Heyman is Boras’s mouthpiece…I suspect Boras is trying to find a solution to meet Cashman’s requirements–no lost draft pick and cheap. If he is telling Heymen that he is working on it, then technically Yankees are still in picture.

    ******************

    Translation in the real world of business and journalism. Jon Heyman is to be applauded for having the skills and reputation necessary to be in the information pipeline of Scott Boras, the preeminent agent in baseball.

  65. Doreen January 10th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    randy l -

    Just got back from the dentist and read your earlier post.

    Cracked me up!!!

  66. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ceves.html

  67. 108 stitches January 10th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    blake January 10th, 2011 at 11:11 am
    Id rather have Vlad than Manny if were going the older future HOFer that can’t play defense anymore route.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Agree. Vlad Guerrero is good for close to 100 RBI every year but that would be cut down by sharing DH duties with Posada.

  68. blake January 10th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Speaking of Heyman….someone should probably go check on him as he hasn’t tweeted anything in over 12 hours.

  69. dan l January 10th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Bojo, Chen only had 8 quality starts so pass. The team went 11-12 in games he started when he was afforded 5.4 per 9 run support during the innings he pitched in those starts.

  70. Carlo January 10th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    # DocTodd January 10th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Okay Cashman,let’s get plan B going buddy…..

    —————-

    Plan B is and has been in motion……the plan is to save money.

  71. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Also

    http://bronxbaseballdaily.com/?p=10467

  72. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Dan–

    Look at the improvement ater August 1

  73. blake January 10th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    108,

    Yes, the playing time issue could.be complicated and likely wouldn’t work.

  74. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Translation in the real world of business and journalism. Jon Heyman is to be applauded for having the skills and reputation necessary to be in the information pipeline of Scott Boras, the preeminent agent in baseball.

    It takes skill to tweet now? Applaud him for having the low morals to blatantly fabricate news at Boras’ direction just to get scoops on Boras clients.

  75. blake January 10th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    I think plan B is more about not wasting money than it is about saving it.

  76. dan l January 10th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Bojo, Chen still stinks…10 homers given up after August 1st is terrible. His GO/AO is still well below acceptable. Again I would much rather have Mitre start then waste a rotation spot plus money on Chen.

  77. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan January 10th, 2011 at 11:25 am
    BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Chip – We all know Heyman is Boras’s mouthpiece…I suspect Boras is trying to find a solution to meet Cashman’s requirements–no lost draft pick and cheap. If he is telling Heymen that he is working on it, then technically Yankees are still in picture.

    ******************

    Translation in the real world of business and journalism. Jon Heyman is to be applauded for having the skills and reputation necessary to be in the information pipeline of Scott Boras, the preeminent agent in baseball.

    ———————-

    Well not exactly.

    I would applaud him if he was taking the information Boras was giving him, verifying it and then reporting it.

    However, based on the contradictory stance being taken by the Yankees it would appear that all Heyman is doing is taking what Boras is telling him at face value while we all know that Boras has a significant bias in this.

    It would be like Keith Olbermann hearing from someone within Nancy Pelosi’s office that Speaker John Boehner does drugs, not checking into it and reporting it as fact.

  78. Rich in NJ January 10th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan

    Seriously, just between me and you, what’s going on between you and Heyman?

  79. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    However, based on the contradictory stance being taken by the Yankees it would appear that all Heyman is doing is taking what Boras is telling him at face value while we all know that Boras has a significant bias in this

    That is all he does. Heyman is only useful if you ignore all the chaff he sends out during the actual negotiation portion of any Boras clients free agency and just focus on the actual ‘deal is nearing completion, deal is done’ stuff regarding Boras.

    He is known as a Boras Shill by everyone in the industry.

  80. LGY January 10th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    It is unfortunate that everyone forgot when Heyman specifically said the Phillies are not the mystery team when giving him all that credit for the mystery team stuff :(

  81. LGY January 10th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Maybe WCYF is Jon Heyman?

  82. Mike Ri January 10th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Blake –

    I think plan B is more about not wasting money than it is about saving it

    I truly believe Plan B was Grienke . but as we all know KC”s demands were insane. Plan C is Pettite . . and if that Fails . . then on to Plan C — Grab the rosaries and start praying

  83. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 11:44 am
    However, based on the contradictory stance being taken by the Yankees it would appear that all Heyman is doing is taking what Boras is telling him at face value while we all know that Boras has a significant bias in this

    That is all he does. Heyman is only useful if you ignore all the chaff he sends out during the actual negotiation portion of any Boras clients free agency and just focus on the actual ‘deal is nearing completion, deal is done’ stuff regarding Boras.

    He is known as a Boras Shill by everyone in the industry.

    —————

    I don’t put it just on Heyman.

    So many of these national guys have gone from reporters and journalists to stenographers. Not doing any sort of investigating on their own, waiting instead for teams and agents to come to them with information and seeing who can get it up on Twitter first.

  84. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Dan–

    He does give up homers, but with few men on base. I don’t have a big problem with that. Catfish and many others were the same. The key to me is that he didn’t walk many men (with the exception of a few bad outings), and he provided 5-6 good innings.

    I’m not thinking of him as a #1 or @2, but as someone in #4 or #5 slot who can give team a chance to win.

  85. blake January 10th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    I think an original plan B probably revolved around Crawford and shopping an outfiekder for a starting pitcher…..they didn’t know the Red Sox would give him 140+ million dollars.

  86. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Speaker John Boehner does drugs?!?!?

    Holy moley Batman!! Stop the presses!

  87. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Jon Heyman would be categorized as a parasite or maybe a symbiote if you are being polite. In return for helping Boras drum up a market and get teams to negotiate against Boras + A bunch of ghosts, boras allows Heyman to attach himself gently to his underside and drink his life’s blood.

    He is at least better than Ken Rosenthal though.

  88. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Rosenthal is the perfect combination of being a disgusting rat grown to near human size, a yankee hater, a rumor mongerer, and a poor journalist.

    He is just so worthless. I wish Gargamel would find him and finally bake him into a pie or whatever it is gargamel does to the other smurfs.

  89. austinmac January 10th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Mike Ri,

    Rosaries are not enough. The Yankees need the help of all faiths. Good luck charms, amulets and the like are appreciated. Then, Mitre will pitch the Yankees to the post-season.

    Another approach they could try is to sign someone to give them innings.

  90. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    I think physically a parasite is bigger than Ken Rosenthal

  91. West Coast Yankee Fan January 10th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Translation in the real world of business and journalism. Jon Heyman is to be applauded for having the skills and reputation necessary to be in the information pipeline of Scott Boras, the preeminent agent in baseball.

    -

    It takes skill to tweet now? Applaud him for having the low morals to blatantly fabricate news at Boras’ direction just to get scoops on Boras clients.

    ****************

    That is quite an accusation to say that Jon Heyman “blatantly fabricates news”. I assume you have incontrovertible proof of this and will be posting the appropriate links.

    To the others. I have no connection with Jon Heyman whatsoever. I just don’t care for gratuitous piling on with no substantiation. If you have legitimate proof he does this, let me know and I will admit I was wrong.

  92. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    My All FA Team:

    Damon – LF
    Orlando Cabrera – SS
    Jim Thome – DH
    Manny Ramirez – RF
    Russell Branyan – 1b
    Jorge Cantu – 3b
    Benji Molina – C
    Scott Podsednik – CF
    Felipe Lopez – 2b

    Bench: Lastings Milledge, Vlad Guerrero, Jerry Hairston, Wily Aybar

    Rotation:
    Andy
    Pavano
    Wasburn
    Penny
    Freddy Garcia

    Pen:
    RHP Soriano, Rauch, Balfour, Ray, Delcarmen, Farnsworth
    LHP Fuentes

  93. Against All Odds January 10th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    # blake January 10th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    I think an original plan B probably revolved around Crawford and shopping an outfiekder for a starting pitcher…..they didn’t know the Red Sox would give him 140+ million dollars.

    ——————————————————-

    But by all accounts they weren’t seriously interested in Crawford. Hell even when they had the organizational meetings in Tampa they discussed Crawford and stated he wasn’t a target for them

  94. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan January 10th, 2011 at 11:57 am
    Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Translation in the real world of business and journalism. Jon Heyman is to be applauded for having the skills and reputation necessary to be in the information pipeline of Scott Boras, the preeminent agent in baseball.

    -

    It takes skill to tweet now? Applaud him for having the low morals to blatantly fabricate news at Boras’ direction just to get scoops on Boras clients.

    ****************

    That is quite an accusation to say that Jon Heyman “blatantly fabricates news”. I assume you have incontrovertible proof of this and will be posting the appropriate links.

    To the others. I have no connection with Jon Heyman whatsoever. I just don’t care for gratuitous piling on with no substantiation. If you have legitimate proof he does this, let me know and I will admit I was wrong.

    ——————–

    I don’t think he fabricates news – I think he takes what he does is takes what he’s given at face value despite the fact that his “source” obviously has an angle and agenda he’s trying to advance.

    With that being the case he should be more judicious about verifying what he’s being spoon fed by Boras before reporting this information as true.

  95. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Look at any of Bora- I mean Heyman’s tweets during a negotiation, then read the post-facto news articles where the teams mentioned were never in on him. Matt Holliday vs Cardinals for example.

  96. Mstarr116 January 10th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    anyone know what happened to sj and cb?

  97. blake January 10th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Crawford wasn’t a target until the Lee situation was resolved….had he been around afterward then he made have been but I doubt the Yankees would have went where Boston did though, of course you never know.

  98. Rich in NJ January 10th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    “I think an original plan B probably revolved around Crawford and shopping an outfiekder for a starting pitcher…..they didn’t know the Red Sox would give him 140+ million dollars.”

    If that’s true (and my feelings about giving sick money to Crawford aside), then they really needed to put a deadline on the offer to Lee, because there were signs that they were being used.

  99. DocTodd January 10th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Sj has not been heard from since the Cliff Lee debacle,when he said the worst kept secret in baseball is where Lee will be playing in 2011 (NY)……

  100. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    WCYF do you deny that Ken Rosenthal was birthed in the center of a Matryoshka doll?

  101. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Sj has not been heard from since the Cliff Lee debacle,when he said the worst kept secret in baseball is where Lee will be playing in 2011 (NY)……

    To be fair, he also said the worst kept secret in baseball was where Crawford would be playing (NYY)

  102. Against All Odds January 10th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    # blake January 10th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Crawford wasn’t a target until the Lee situation was resolved….had he been around afterward then he made have been but I doubt the Yankees would have went where Boston did though, of course you never know.

    ——————————————

    True you never know

  103. DocTodd January 10th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Cashman is on plan N…..as in none….

  104. austinmac January 10th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    I believe if Heyman reported “according to Boras, the Yankees are still in on Soriano” that would be acceptable. Reporting it as news is a different thing and unacceptable.

  105. blake January 10th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Rich,

    Yea but putting a deadline on it could have decreased their chances of getting the guy they really wanted…..they were used as it turns out but Braunecker must have done a good job of not tipping his.hand when they met. As I’ve said before, I would be very interested to know if Cashman knew when he had dinner with Crawford that he was that close to signing with the Red Sox.

  106. DocTodd January 10th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    SJ said Crawford won’t be a Yankee, he’ll probably end up in Anaheim…

  107. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Chip January 10th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    My All FA Team:
    ——————-
    You can call them the Hoovers, cuz they would really suck.

    I believe Pavano signed already btw.

  108. blake January 10th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    SJ has posted since Lee signed…..said he was shocked just like everyone.else that he went back to Philly.

  109. West Coast Yankee Fan January 10th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    There is a difference between what someone reports in a column as news and tweets. Tweets are NOT to be considered substantiated news, everyone in journalism knows this. They are sent with a “take it for what it’s worth caveat”.

  110. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    SJ said Crawford won’t be a Yankee, he’ll probably end up in Anaheim…

    He was beating the Crawford would be a Yankee drum last year and at the beginning of this year.

  111. Rich in NJ January 10th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    blake

    I thought the RS would be in on Crawford at really, really big bucks after they seemingly lost out on Werth, given the contract that he got.

    It’s definitely risk/reward, and while it’s true that CC waited for a while, they had a more pressing need for CC than Lee because they already had CC , and Lee’s age makes him very risky.

    I’m of the view that it’s better to hedge your risk whenever possible.

    Again, I wouldn’t want Crawford for that contract, but I’m assuming, for the sake of argument, that they did.

  112. DocTodd January 10th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Lee had everyone fooled, what can you do?? Maybe in the long run we’ll be better off, only time will tell?

  113. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    DocTodd January 10th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    There were a number of people here that didn’t think he was coming here as early as October.

  114. randy l. January 10th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    doreen-

    good news and bad news. the bad news is cashman just bought another car because rothschild said the 91 explorer won’t be ready for spring training.

    the good news is that brian found a really good deal on a 1989 toyota celica. he had this one checked out first though because he hasn’t always had good luck with japanese imports.

    his mechanic rothschild checked this one out and said he was sure that it would make it to tampa for spring training but not to let his triple a card lapse just in case.

    brian is real excited because the celica is a convertible and will be great for the warm weather in spring training. the only problem is the top is stuck in the down position.

    as much as rothschild tried to fix it he couldn’t, but cashman said not to worry because the only time it would be cold is when he’s driving down interstate 95 from new york to florida and he had a nice warm elf suit and elf hat that he could wear to stay comfortable.

  115. austinmac January 10th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Let me say a word or two about Cashman. None of us want him to make stupid decisions that hurt long-term. Furthermore, none of us really know what opportunities he had or did not have to improve the team.

    What we do know, however, is he is the GM of the wealthiest team in baseball. It is his responsibility to make sure the team doesn’t have huge flaws. The team does and it is his responsibilty. One who is entitled to credit also merits the blame.

    I am quite surprised the team looks as it does. It is the first time in awhile the team will likely not be favored to make the playoffs. I know, predictions are only that, but I would prefer, all things being equal, to have the team looks strong, particularly pitching wise.

    Sellouts and good TV ratings are not guaranteed. Watch what happens if this team gets off to a bad couple months. Cashman will have to answer as there will be no one else to assign the blame.

  116. blake January 10th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Rich,

    Do you think Crawford and his agent told Cashman at their last meeting that the price was 142 million and that the Red Sox had bid it? In other words….do you think the Yankees knew he was about to sign with Boston at the winter meetings.?

  117. West Coast Yankee Fan January 10th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    austinmac January 10th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    “What we do know, however, is he is the GM of the wealthiest team in baseball. It is his responsibility to make sure the team doesn’t have huge flaws. The team does and it is his responsibilty. One who is entitled to credit also merits the blame”.

    *****************

    Man, did you hit the nail right on the head. Bravo.

  118. randy l. January 10th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    “anyone know what happened to sj and cb?”

    cb was here last night with some great info on why banuelos’ rights are owned in the winter by his monterrey. mexico team .

  119. jacksquat January 10th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    I actually think Boston originally wanted Werth, and then of course the Nationals swooped in and overpaid, which forced Boston to their plan B, Crawford, and were forced to overpay after the Werth contract.

  120. BoJo January 10th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    austinmac January 10th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
    ++++++++++
    If you consider that Cashman took over player development in 2006, and shifted strategy from signing old over the hill players to internal development, then one has to give him another year for the internally developed pitchers to develop and help out.

    With the exception of having to sign CC and AJ to bridge the time gap to the prospects, he made the decision to not clog up the rotation with mid-level garbage, and last year took on Javy mainly because it was only a 1 year commitment. He also took back AP because it was year to year.

    So now, with AP possibly retiring and Lee not coming on board, he will stick to his plan and find a 1 year rental untilt he kids can help out.

    The only thing I fault him for was not supporting the continued development of Joba as a starter.

  121. DaSaint007 January 10th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Yankees would like to have Aceves back on a minor league contract, but I see no mention anywhere that there’s any current negotiation or that they’re close to any agreement.

    Would love it if he was back though!

  122. Rich in NJ January 10th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    blake

    I doubt he mentioned specifics, but since most free agents want the Yankees involved, and since the RS interest usually motivates the Yankees like few other things, I suspect that his agent mentioned that the RS were making (or were about to make) a big offer.

  123. austinmac January 10th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    We hear that other teams have a Yankee tax for trades. I say, other than division rivals, that is absurd. Let’s say I was the GM of the Reds. Does anyone really suggest I would risk my career by taking lesser players from another team just so I can make sure those mean Yankees don’t get one of my players? Idiocy.

    But wait, people say “look what KC asked for Greinke”. We don’t know any details about that. We particularly don’t know if this was their first demand or last demand. What did they first asked of Milwaukee. Have we not heard of negotiating?

  124. Doreen January 10th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    randy l -

    Would that fixing a pitcher was as easy as fixing a car.

    Although, sometimes even the people that build a car have no idea how to diagnose what’s wrong with it; and worse, can diagnose but have no idea what to do! (Chrysler experience/Joba?)

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