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Yankees organizational depth: Second base

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 10, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Robinson Cano is signed through 2013, and it wouldn’t be a surprise to see him stay with the Yankees well beyond his current contract. Second base is not up for grabs today, and it might not be up for grabs until the end of the decade. The Yankees have second base talent coming up through the system, but the bulk of that talent brings defensive versatility and could emerge as some sort of utility option should Cano keep his hold on second.

In the big leagues
If Cano continues his current production, and carries that into his mid-to-late 30s, the Yankees might never have a need for any of the players currently in the system to see significant time at second base. Cano is 28 years old and should be just now entering his prime. He showed last season that he’s already developed into one of the best hitters in the American League, and certainly one of the top second basemen in baseball. The Yankees have an abundance of players who could fill-in at second base to cover any sort of short-term need — nagging injury, unexpected absence — but the organization’s best-case scenario is to simply stick with Cano for the foreseeable future.

On the verge
Here’s the list: Eduardo Nunez, Ramiro Pena, Kevin Russo, Reegie Corona, David Adams and Corban Joseph. Six young players, all of them ready to play second base at Double-A or higher, and all of them with enough tools to play some sort of role in the big leagues sooner rather than later. Each of them can also play at least one other position, which some defensive flexibility for potential bench roles down the line. Nunez, Pena and Russo have already gotten to New York, Corona has a spot on the 40-man and needs to come back from a late-season shoulder injury, and Adams was hitting in Trenton before an ankle injury cost him most of last season. The name to watch might be Joseph, a former fourth-round pick who’s been building prospect buzz with his bat the past two years. 

Deep in the system
The top second base prospect in the lower levels was Jimmy Paredes, who put himself on the prospect map with a strong 2010 season. Paredes, though, was traded to Houston in the Lance Berkman deal, and without him, the top lower-level second base prospect might be Anderson Feliz, a former shortstop out of the Dominican Republic who hit .273 with some power in the Gulf Coast League last year. Of course, the real second base depth might ultimately depend on the development of Cito Culver and Angelo Gumbs, last year’s first- and second-round draft picks. Both are shortstops, but Cano also saw a lot of time at shortstop when he was a kid. As they develop, Culver or Gumbs could — in theory — find themselves shifted to second base.

Organizational depth chart
My own rough guess. It’s far too early for the Yankees to settle on who will be where next season.
New York: Robinson Cano
Scranton/WB: Kevin Russo, Reegie Corona
Trenton: David Adams, Corban Joseph
Tampa: Walter Ibbara, Emerson Landoni, Kevin Mahoney
Charleston: Anderson Feliz, Casey Stevenson

The big league depth chart beyond Cano probably begins with two players not listed here. Nunez and Pena are the front-runners for the big league utility job, and those two probably have a leg up should the Yankees need someone to fill in at second base for a few games (or even a few months). Russo is also in that discussion, and Adams or Joseph could climb into the mix by the end of the summer.

I have more than one player listed at every minor league level because there are a lot of multi-position players who are going to need time at second. Tampa especially could be a bit of a mix-and-match. The natural fit should have been the since-traded Paredes, and without him, a series of utility types — none of them highly touted — could get opportunities in High-A. Stevenson was the Yankees 25th-round pick last year, and he got most of the second base time at Staten Island last season, but Feliz is the bigger name of the lower-level second basemen. Additional upper-level bench depth will come from versatile infielders like Justin Snyder, Luis Nunez and Doug Bernier.

Associated Press photo of Cano, headshots of Cano, Joseph and Feliz

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443 Responses to “Yankees organizational depth: Second base”

  1. Erin January 10th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    OK, this picture/post totally made my day. :D

  2. LGY January 10th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Just sign Brad Penny,

    *******

    I actually would look into Penny. Duncan had him add a splitter and it was a very effective pitch for him.

  3. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    LGY January 10th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
    This is why you have to look at more than stats in life.

    *****/

    Why? So then you can make unsubstianted claims about a player or carry a grudge that prevents you from improving the team?

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    Well first of all I backed up my argument with links showing how the Yankees felt about Pavano when he was here – you chose to ignore them because you believe that Torre and Mussina were “bitter old guys” or something to that effect; unfairly harsh on Pavano.

    Second of all – Yes, there is a “human factor” that comes into play here. Just as I would not want Manny Ramirez as the Yankee DH even though he’s a far better offensive weapon than Posada – I would not want Carl Pavano anywhere near this team.

    If the human factor is not something you feel should exist in the game then I suggest you buy yourself a Playstation and the latest MLB video game where you don’t have to worry about it. In the real world though it is a factor.

  4. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    they need to lock cano up NOW. forget the extension rule they have. If anyone needs to be locked for 8-10 years, it is Robinson Cano. Start at Crawford’s 7/142 and go from there.

  5. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    I also believe Pujols will be either playing for the Cubs or the Rangers after 2011.

  6. YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    i was gonna ask those who favored trading cano last year and the year before that to own up, but i realized all those people have changed thier scrennames several times and i’d be asking them to give up thier new camoflauge.

  7. LGY January 10th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    In the real world though it is a factor.

    *******

    It is a factor, but neither you or me are in any position to intelligently comment on it.

    And for the record, I would sign Pavano AND Manny.

  8. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    AC1 -

    I would also throw the Mets into the Pujols mix. They’ll have a lot of money freed up after this season.

    I was wondering though – I know they don’t need him, but would the Yankees consider throwing a ton of money his way and letting him DH?

  9. tyanksfan36 January 10th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Feliz does look like he will be something. He came up to Tampa at the end of the season and he did pretty good for himself.

  10. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    LGY January 10th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
    In the real world though it is a factor.

    *******

    It is a factor, but neither you or me are in any position to intelligently comment on it.

    And for the record, I would sign Pavano AND Manny.

    ———————

    Well then for the record I’m glad you are not the GM of the Yankees :-)

  11. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
    i was gonna ask those who favored trading cano last year and the year before that to own up, but i realized all those people have changed thier scrennames several times and i’d be asking them to give up thier new camoflauge.

    —————

    I was one such person – but I was in favor of dealing him in a package for Josh Hamilton and Ian Kinsler (there were other players going from the Yankees to Texas) so I’m not going to apologize for it :-)

  12. Erin January 10th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
    i was gonna ask those who favored trading cano last year and the year before that to own up, but i realized all those people have changed thier scrennames several times and i?d be asking them to give up thier new camoflauge.

    *****************************
    I can assure you, I was never, ever one of those people.

  13. Wave Your Hat January 10th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    It is kind of silly to arbitrarily exclude Pavano from the Yanks’ options. But, I don’t think he’s coming back.

  14. Doreen January 10th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    YsGuy -

    I was not one who ever wanted Cano traded.

    But it’s kind of not fair to have people “fess up” so to speak. Even if you were convinced Cano should have been traded two seasons ago, it’s really understandable that you would have changed your mind somewhere along the line. Nothing wrong with changing ones mind. In fact, in this case, if you DIDN’T jump on the Cano bandwagon, you’d need your head examined!!! :lol:

  15. DocTodd January 10th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    I’ll admit that I was a Cano doubter….Last year his improvement in plate discipline was awesome,he has become something special……

  16. blake January 10th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    If Pavano would sign a 1 year deal with the Yankees then fine but why would he do that when the Twins have offered him 2. The Yanks would probably have to either go to 3 years or pay a lot more money to get him plus give up a first round pick…..who is interested in that?

  17. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 10th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
    It is kind of silly to arbitrarily exclude Pavano from the Yanks’ options. But, I don’t think he’s coming back.

    —————

    Nothing arbitrary about it.

    Arbitrary would be if there were no reasons why we exclude Pavano from the list of options; in this case there are significant reasons for him not being considered an option.

  18. GreenBeret7 January 10th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    I’m guessing that Snyder will draw a release or be tossed into a trade, along with Corona. Not sure about the plans for Culver, but, he might end up in center field. Joseph is another that will be a super utility guy like Nunez until one gets dealt in a bigger than nothing trade.

  19. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    John Sickels has the Yankees with the #6 farm system by value.

  20. YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    pavano: once bitten, 5 times shy

    and ok just to make it fair, i was big on signing nick johnson last season. fortunaly cash kept the damage to one year…

  21. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    I was wondering though – I know they don’t need him, but would the Yankees consider throwing a ton of money his way and letting him DH?

    ___

    I don’t see him agreeing to DH full time, though when i hear these stories about people not wanting to DH, i say, WHY? It is doing half the work.

    I just don’t see Pujols as a Yankee, but of course it would be fantastic and worth the ridiculous A-Rod type contract he would require.

  22. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Who would possibly have been looking to trade Cano last year or the year before? Surely you mean 2007 or 2008? I definitely said that his down year was a fluke based on his BABIP, which I also happened to observe as it seemed like he lined out a million times, and so I would only trade him for a top flight centerfielder because he must retain value from his prior good years and his skills going forward. At the time the only guy that was likely to be traded was Matt Kemp due to Jeff Kent’s racism and hatred for the rookie.

  23. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Ys-

    Agreed.

    I was fine with Johnson and even with Javy. At least those guys worked and tried.

    Pavano didn’t start toughening it out until he was on 1 year deals that meant he either had to pitch or find a new line of work.

    Same reason I wouldn’t trust Adrian Beltre if I were Texas I would not trust Carla.

  24. Cashman needs to go January 10th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
    i was gonna ask those who favored trading cano last year and the year before that to own up, but i realized all those people have changed thier scrennames several times and i’d be asking them to give up thier new camoflauge

    *************************************

    I had him gone as well…but I had him and Joba (when he was still a starter) going to the Giants for Tim Lincecum and Zito (this was before they signed CC and AJ Burnett) and the yankees signing brian roberts to play 2nd base…

  25. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    I cant help but feel like Cashman is keeping the payroll reasonable to make that mext HUGE splash. The Lee or the Pujols…

  26. Doreen January 10th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    Jerkface -

    OMG – It seemed like Robinson lined out every single at-bat. Hard hit smashes. Caught. So frustrating to watch!

  27. Wave Your Hat January 10th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    “Arbitrary would be if there were no reasons why we exclude Pavano from the list of options; in this case there are significant reasons for him not being considered an option.”

    No there aren’t. Yesterday isn’t tomorrow. However, I don’t think he’s coming back.

  28. GreenBeret7 January 10th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    Erin January 10th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
    GreenBeret7 January 10th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    Is your cat a southpaw? He could scratch out a few wins.

    *************************
    LOL I’ll have to check. I think she’d look adorable in her little uniform and Yankee hat though.

    How are you GB?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    LMAO. Afternoon, Erin. I’m doing fine, thank you for asking. I hope you and your family had a great holiday season.

    I don’t care if your cat looks adorable in her little pinstriped uniform and hat. Great for Christmas cards, though. No tail, one eye, one ear would be beautiful if she can win some games.

    I don’t care for sissy cats. Gotta have a dog named “Killer”. He’s not really a killer, but, he wouldn’t answer to his real name of Jerry Lee Lewis. So, I just called him by JLL’s nickname. That, he’ll answer to.

  29. YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    a jones, v guerrerro, j. thome, m. ramirez are all still available with about a month to go till camp opens. edgar martinez gets no support for the hof because he dh’d instead of just going out and playing crappy defense (apparently that would win him quite a few votes for some reason.)

    no wonder guys dont want to dh

  30. randy l. January 10th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    here’s an interesting mix of right and wrong by joel sherman

    August 31st, 2008 at 4:34 pm
    Joel Sherman suggestions from the Post Today:

    - A few Yankee officials floated the concept of signing both Sabathia and another high-end starter such as A.J. Burnett and then using the young stockpile of pitching GM Brian Cashman has been hoarding in recent years to address other areas. For example, try to replicate the Edinson Volquez-Josh Hamilton deal from last offseason by using someone such as Phil Hughes to find a young, controllable center fielder or first baseman (Hughes for Joey Votto?).

    - ROBINSON CANO – If he is the second baseman next year, fine, he still has the capability to be both a batting champ and Gold Glove. But the Yanks should investigate his market in the way Tampa did in turning a high-end young hitter (Delmon Young) into a young front-of-the-rotation starter (Matt Garza) last offseason. Cano for Zach Greinke, Chad Billingsley or Matt Cain anyone? To replace Cano, the Yanks could sign free agent Orlando Hudson, who I have heard was heartbroken when the Mets enlisted Luis Castillo long-term because he wanted to play in New York. Hudson is a defensive magician, a switch-hitter and – unlike Cano – a guy who brings high energy and concentration every day. Hudson is expected to make a full recovery from a dislocated bone in his left wrist that was operated upon earlier this month.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/08…..htm?page=0

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    good predicting the future by naming sabathia and burnett and picking up a center fielder in grandson.

    not so good with cano and replacing him with hudson

  31. Wave Your Hat January 10th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Chip-

    Actually, “arbitrary” was a poor choice of words. I meant, “irrational but understandable”.

  32. blake January 10th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Anybody else think Pujols looks older than 30?

  33. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 10th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
    “Arbitrary would be if there were no reasons why we exclude Pavano from the list of options; in this case there are significant reasons for him not being considered an option.”

    No there aren’t. Yesterday isn’t tomorrow. However, I don’t think he’s coming back.

    ——————-

    Sure there are:

    1. Even if you discount what happened in his last stint here I doubt the Yankees do – and while “Yesterday isn’t tomorrow” I’ll throw out an equally old cliche that those who do not learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

    2. Cost would be higher in terms of dollars and years than the Yankees are comfortable with given his age and past performance as a Yankee.

  34. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    no wonder guys dont want to dh

    __

    This is the back end of their careers. Edgar was a full time DH. There is a difference. Thome will get in.

  35. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 10th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
    Chip-

    Actually, “arbitrary” was a poor choice of words. I meant, “irrational but understandable”.

    —————-

    They’re not irrational though.

    If you go to pet a dog and it snarles and bites you, then the guy next to you goes to pet the dog and he does nothing – does that mean it’s a bright idea for you to reach for that dog again?

  36. YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    ill give pavano one shot…if he came to cashman and said he wanted to come back and would be able to handle what was coming his way if he did come back, then i would think about it. its not irrational to not want a player who burned you so badly in the past. and i think there are still legitimate questions about his maturity in light of what did go on when he was here. so i’d have to hear it from pavano himself that he was aware of the outpouring of hatred and abuse that was going to come his way and i’d need his assurance that he is willing and able to deal with it and still perform.

    im all for second chances where appropriate but to just bring him back by outbidding everybody else would be to say that the slate is clean and theres nothing to worry about.

    the slate isnt clean and there are alot of things to worry about and he’d have to convince me that he’s man enough to face it before i’d bring him back.

  37. Mell January 10th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    “they need to lock cano up NOW.”

    They really don’t. He’s signed thru 2013 as is. No reason for them to act on extending him before the offseason, following the 2012 season.

  38. Wave Your Hat January 10th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Chip-

    Face it, it’s irrational. It is the fear that what happened yesterday will happen tomorrow. There’s no reason to believe that. Pavano has shown over the last two years that he is perfectly capable of pitching well.

    That said, in this case irrationality will triumph, and I really can’t complain.

  39. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    If you go to pet a dog and it snarles and bites you, then the guy next to you goes to pet the dog and he does nothing – does that mean it’s a bright idea for you to reach for that dog again?

    Are you saying Pavano willfully injured himself to specifically avoid playing for the yankees?

  40. Mell January 10th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    “edgar martinez gets no support for the hof because he dh’d instead of just going out and playing crappy defense (apparently that would win him quite a few votes for some reason.)”

    Exactly. Plenty of HOF’ers who would have been DH’s had the role existed in their particular era.

  41. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    What the Yankees are doing is no longer choosing to take a bus, because the 3 times they have in their life it was smelly and arrived late.

  42. Erin January 10th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 10th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    I don?t care for sissy cats. Gotta have a dog named ?Killer?. He?s not really a killer, but, he wouldn?t answer to his real name of Jerry Lee Lewis. So, I just called him by JLL?s nickname. That, he?ll answer to.

    *****************************
    Well, Jerry Lee Lewis is quite a mouthful for a dog. No wonder he prefers Killer. ;)

  43. blake January 10th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    SI_JonHeyman andruw jones appear to be #yankees top choice for OF but theyre still apaart on $. damon, thames among backup plans SI_JonHeyman

    Why would Damon be a backup option….if he will take a 4th OF job then sign him up.

  44. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    i think anyone who thinks we should give Pavano another shot needs to remember one name… Javy Vazquez.

    Same idea. Good year, back to the Yankees and yoink….

  45. Wave Your Hat January 10th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    So Pavano is either a dog or a bus?

  46. GreenBeret7 January 10th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Erin January 10th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
    GreenBeret7 January 10th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    I don?t care for sissy cats. Gotta have a dog named ?Killer?. He?s not really a killer, but, he wouldn?t answer to his real name of Jerry Lee Lewis. So, I just called him by JLL?s nickname. That, he?ll answer to.

    *****************************
    Well, Jerry Lee Lewis is quite a mouthful for a dog. No wonder he prefers Killer

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    “Killer” really likes his tunes. Rates them high on the dance ability and biting charts.

  47. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Why would Damon be a backup option….if he will take a 4th OF job then sign him up.

    __

    think they want someone who can play RF too, and is a RH Batter. I do agree though, Damon is not a handicap vs. lefties, but he CANOOT play Right Field.

  48. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
    If you go to pet a dog and it snarles and bites you, then the guy next to you goes to pet the dog and he does nothing – does that mean it’s a bright idea for you to reach for that dog again?

    Are you saying Pavano willfully injured himself to specifically avoid playing for the yankees?

    —————–

    Nope, but I’m saying Pavano may have milked his injuries to hang out and party in Tampa rather than play for the Yankees.

  49. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Why would Damon be a backup option….if he will take a 4th OF job then sign him up.

    Because Damon doesn’t represent a strict fit for what they need. Jones has power and can play left and right and would likely be more open to not playing every day.

    Damon is weak and can only play left. He would also command more playing time probably, and might not respond well to getting limited at bats.

    Thus Damon is a backup plan.

  50. Doreen January 10th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    In Minnesota. :?

  51. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    So Pavano is either a dog or a bus?

    Both smell.

  52. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    blake January 10th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
    SI_JonHeyman andruw jones appear to be #yankees top choice for OF but theyre still apaart on $. damon, thames among backup plans SI_JonHeyman

    Why would Damon be a backup option….if he will take a 4th OF job then sign him up.

    ——————-

    Who is Damon’s agent again Blake….

  53. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    I do agree though, Damon is not a handicap vs. lefties

    Not a handicap, but also not very good against them. He loses power and at times on base and avg as well.

  54. YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    id rather have thames than damon. neither can play the field at all. thames is a r/h power bat who has etablished that he can perform off the bench.

  55. tyanksfan36 January 10th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    GB7

    I linked my blog to my name on here, I guess if you click on it it sends you to my blog. There you can decide for yourself if I’m too wordy.

  56. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    id rather have thames than damon. neither can play the field at all. thames is a r/h power bat who has etablished that he can perform off the bench.

    __

    Thames did have a very good year. Don’t know that i would expect that again, which is why they are going after Jones. Jones at this point may only be marginally better in the field than Thames though. Maybe Kevin Long can get him back to hitting anything close to how he used to.

  57. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    I still believe Damon only makes sense for the Yankees if they first trade Brett Gardner – and since I don’t believe they’re trading Gardner I don’t think Damon makes sense.

    I could see him signing a smaller deal with the Phillies since Raul Ibanez is awful and Dom Brown is a big ????

  58. YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    thames came off the bench alot for detroit before coming to the yankees and showed the same bench power there. i think the jones thing is just b/c he is potentially better with the glove.

  59. bruceb January 10th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    If Pavano had even an ounce of decency in him, he’d pick up the phone to Brian Cashman and offer to come back to the Yankees for nothing. After all, he’s taken millions of dollars off us under false pretenses. But, to be perfectly honest, I wouldn’t want him back under any circumstances.

  60. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    So with Andrew Friedman saying that the Garza money will be spent elsewhere I’m more convinced that Soriano will go back to Tampa.

    Look, the market is pretty dry for him – he was successful there – a 3 year deal at $7 mil per wouldn’t be awful for him or the team.

  61. blake January 10th, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    Eh I still would rather have the better player….which is Damon.

  62. LGY January 10th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    I would rather have Damon because he is much more capable of being an everyday player in the likely event that Posada gets hurt or the less likely event that one of the OF get hurt.

  63. YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    signing soriano would cost tampa the draft pick they would otherwise be getting from another team signing him. if they stick to thier normal way of doing things, they won’t sign him. if they see him as the one missing piece to get them over the top, they might but i dont think they will.

  64. GreenBeret7 January 10th, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    TY, that’s a real good article. Just keep at it. As long as you talk about the things you know and are factual, you’ll be fine. talk about the experiences you’ve had at games, the sights, the sounds, the smells, the memories of going with your father or grandfather…all of the real experiences of baseball games and you’ll never go wrong. Those experiences are things that draw responses from others. They respond with their own memories and experiences.

  65. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
    signing soriano would cost tampa the draft pick they would otherwise be getting from another team signing him. if they stick to thier normal way of doing things, they won’t sign him. if they see him as the one missing piece to get them over the top, they might but i dont think they will.

    —————-

    They’re getting a draft pick from Boston for Crawford and as of right now no one is interested in signing Soriano.

    Sign him and then if you want prospects down the road you can always trade him.

  66. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    LGY January 10th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
    I would rather have Damon because he is much more capable of being an everyday player in the likely event that Posada gets hurt or the less likely event that one of the OF get hurt.

    ——————

    If Posada gets hurt (not to reignite an old argument but it’s less likely now that he’s not catching) the club still has a slew of ways to fill the DH spot.

  67. LGY January 10th, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    the club still has a slew of ways to fill the DH spot.

    *******

    They do?

  68. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    They do?

    __

    ARod and bringing up Laird/Vazquez for 3rd base?

  69. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    LGY January 10th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
    the club still has a slew of ways to fill the DH spot.

    *******

    They do?

    ——————

    Yup.

    Everything from Montero to a rotation which keeps older position players fresh.

  70. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
    LGY January 10th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
    the club still has a slew of ways to fill the DH spot.

    *******

    They do?

    ——————

    Yup.

    Everything from Montero to a rotation which keeps older position players fresh.

    ———–

    In any case – Jorge at DH isn’t an injury risk. I can’t even think of the last injury he sustained that wasn’t a result of catching.

  71. LGY January 10th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Everything from Montero to a rotation which keeps older position players fresh.

    ******

    So the slew of ways result in playing Nunez or Pena almost everyday?

  72. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Everything from Montero to a rotation which keeps older position players fresh.

    Rotating DH is the worst, best sign Thome so we can have 2 legit DH options.

  73. YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    damon slipped to .271/.355/.401 last year with only 8 hr. i believe that after the asb in 09 he only hit about 5 hr’s. the .355 obp is still at his career average, but his legs are shot and he has only 11 SB each of the last 2 years. you can say he’s an acceptable OF’er if you like but i dont think he was acceptable when he was here 2 years ago, now he’s 2 years older. thus , he’s not a dh and he’s not an acceptable OF’er and he has not shown whether he can be effective off the bench.

    and he’s LH.

    it seems that what he’s got going for him is his undeniable baseball smarts and equally undeniable clubhouse presence. but to me, that still doesnt make him what we need, a RH power bat off the bench who can fill in in the OF. jones is the guy for that, with thames the backup plan if you ask me.

  74. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    About the only internal DH solution in case of injury or ineffectiveness is having Montero hit there.

  75. LGY January 10th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    Jorge missed three weeks in 2009 after pulling his hamstring running the bases.

    That a 39 year old who has suffered many injuries in the past 3 years is not an injury risk is a pipe dream at best.

  76. blake January 10th, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    LGY,

    yes, when given the choice I would almost always rather have the bench guy that’s closer to being an every day player because injuries do happen and over 162 they usually will provide more value. If Damon will take a 4th OFer/DH role then that’s an easy choice to me whether he’s LHed or not.

  77. tyanksfan36 January 10th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    GB7

    Thanks. It was an idea I wanted to write about it happened and I had 3 hours between classes to work on it.

  78. YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    they still might sign soriano, but they are not going to say, ‘we have the pick for crawford, so we’re all good.’ draft picks are the mother’s milk of tampa’s buisness model so i see them going elsewhere for a reliever that doesnt cost them a pick. jmo of course.

  79. Doreen January 10th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    tyanksfan36 -

    Your blog is very you and very enjoyable to read. :)

  80. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Blake -

    How would you feel about Casey Blake for the bench.

    He’s got one year left at 5.25 and then a 6 mil option (1.25 buyout)

    The Yankees could probably get him for someone like Romulo Sanchez (out of options and not likely to win a spot in the pen or rotation this spring) and maybe a low level minor leaguer.

  81. Doreen January 10th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    tyanksfan36 -

    What I mean is, your personality comes through. :)

    Obviously, I’ve never met you, so how could I know it’s very “you?”

  82. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Blake was bad and hit .264 .342 .437 .778 the past 2 years, worse last year. As a utility guy? Yea, better than Nunez maybe but not as DH insurance.

  83. blake January 10th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Chip,

    I like Blake :)

  84. YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    well, to be more accurate, revenues earned by other teams and given to the ray’s is actually the mother’s milk of tampas buisness model. but draft picks come in a close second.

  85. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
    Blake was bad and hit .264 .342 .437 .778 the past 2 years, worse last year. As a utility guy? Yea, better than Nunez maybe but not as DH insurance.

    ——————

    With only 4 spots on the bench you can’t carry DH insurance.

    If the Yanks were to have a bench of, say, Casey Blake, Andruw Jones, Cervelli and Nunez/Pena – that would be fine.

  86. blake January 10th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    Yes as a utility guy…..though their in house options aren’t so bad there and they could address that later if need be.

  87. YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    i think the ‘dh insurance’ will be behind the plate in scranton.

  88. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    About the only internal DH solution in case of injury or ineffectiveness is having Montero hit there.

    ___

    I’m telling you. A-Rod to DH and Jorge Vazquez / Brandon Laird if necessary. JV is a masher. (Montero is too, but needs to be able to catch and learn).

  89. blake January 10th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    Preferably you’d like a backup OFer who could DH every day if Posada got hurt ….(Damon).

  90. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
    About the only internal DH solution in case of injury or ineffectiveness is having Montero hit there.

    ___

    I’m telling you. A-Rod to DH and Jorge Vazquez / Brandon Laird if necessary. JV is a masher. (Montero is too, but needs to be able to catch and learn).

    —————-

    See, that works too.

  91. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    With only 4 spots on the bench you can’t carry DH insurance.

    Sure you can:

    Blake, Catcher, Outfielder, DH insurance

    Why have Blake AND Nunez? Thats stupid! You only need 1 outfielder, and then the catcher of course. So the final two spots are going to be a utility infielder and should be a bat.

    If you’re going to carry two utility infielders then you might as well just carry Nunez and the better bat, because Blake can only back up third and A-rod should not be getting enough day offs to make that trade off worthwhile. Blake would get like 10 games at third? And you don’t want to play him at DH because he stinks.

    And if you pick up Blake and then decide to rest a-rod a lot because you have blake, well thats just dumb because Blake+Posada<Blake+Arod <<<<<< A-rod+Posada.

  92. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
    With only 4 spots on the bench you can’t carry DH insurance.

    Sure you can:

    Blake, Catcher, Outfielder, DH insurance

    Why have Blake AND Nunez? Thats stupid! You only need 1 outfielder, and then the catcher of course. So the final two spots are going to be a utility infielder and should be a bat.

    ——————–

    Because Blake can’t back up SS or 2b if something happened to Derek or Cano during a game.

  93. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    Ah now Brandon Laird and Jorge vazquez are going to be proven major leaguers? Best to sign a veteran bat who can HIT for the bench and then if he stinks you can bring up Laird and Vazquez.

  94. 108 stitches January 10th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    LGY January 10th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
    the club still has a slew of ways to fill the DH spot.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    They certainly do. As seen in the past, Girardi is big on resting or giving players a day off or giving time as a DH A-Rod can be replaced in the field by either Nunez or Laird. Swisher can be replaced in the field by either Laird or Golson. The same with Granderson replaced by Gardner while Laird or Golson plays LF.
    Even Cano can be rested once in awhile. The same with Jeter or Teixeira. There’s versatility on the team.
    Somebody like Thome is limited.

  95. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    Because Blake can’t back up SS or 2b if something happened to Derek or Cano during a game.

    Then he is worthless and should not be considered.

  96. tyanksfan36 January 10th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Doreen

    Thank you. I too think it is very me :) I tend to write how I talk so I think people on here who read what I write get my personality if they’re paying attention. It was a fun piece to write up hopefully I still have some creativity for a later date.

  97. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
    With only 4 spots on the bench you can’t carry DH insurance.

    Sure you can:

    Blake, Catcher, Outfielder, DH insurance

    Why have Blake AND Nunez? Thats stupid! You only need 1 outfielder, and then the catcher of course. So the final two spots are going to be a utility infielder and should be a bat.

    ————

    And I agree – there should be a bat on the bench but it needs to be a guy who is able to do more than just hit – you need a guy who can go in the field. Thome and Vlad don’t qualify.

  98. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    Because Blake can’t back up SS or 2b if something happened to Derek or Cano during a game.

    Then he is worthless and should not be considered.

    ————-

    That’s your opinion and I completely disagree with it. But I’m not getting sucked into another Jim Thome debate with you.

  99. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Ah now Brandon Laird and Jorge vazquez are going to be proven major leaguers? Best to sign a veteran bat who can HIT for the bench and then if he stinks you can bring up Laird and Vazquez.

    ___

    Bench options IF Posada got hurt and A-Rod was to DH. These are IF’s. So yes, i think you depend on them if necessary. NO one said proven major leaguers.

  100. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
    Ah now Brandon Laird and Jorge vazquez are going to be proven major leaguers? Best to sign a veteran bat who can HIT for the bench and then if he stinks you can bring up Laird and Vazquez.

    ___

    Bench options IF Posada got hurt and A-Rod was to DH. These are IF’s. So yes, i think you depend on them if necessary. NO one said proven major leaguers
    ————–

    WARNING – PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK

    He’s been trying for weeks now to explain that the Yankees need Jim Thome for the bench.

    It’s a silly argument – stay away from it.

  101. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    They certainly do. As seen in the past, Girardi is big on resting or giving players a day off or giving time as a DH A-Rod can be replaced in the field by either Nunez or Laird. Swisher can be replaced in the field by either Laird or Golson. The same with Granderson replaced by Gardner while Laird or Golson plays LF.
    Even Cano can be rested once in awhile. The same with Jeter or Teixeira. There’s versatility on the team.
    Somebody like Thome is limited.

    -

    Big on it when there are no other options. God I have to explain this every offseason but the team needs a dedicated DH. A guy who can hit above league average and sit in the DH spot EVERY day if necessary.

    2009 you had Matsui at that spot. He collected 85% of the DH at bats. 2010 we had Nick Johnson going into the season and Thames.

    The problem with using it as a resting spot for veterans, especially veterans who do not need to DH at all like Cano/Jeter/Tex/Swisher/Granderson, is that you weaken the overall unit. There is no such thing as good versatility in this situation. you are not being clever or versatile by sitting a better bat to put ramiro pena in the lineup.

    The team should always have a bat capable of playing 120 games at DH.

    If you use a rotating DH and an injury occurs you suddenly have 50% of your bench starting games.

  102. LGY January 10th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    When Jorge Vazquez actually shows he is more than just AAA filler he could be an option. Right now though there is nothing to suggest he is a major league baseball player.

    CAiRo has Laird projected at sub 300 on base next year. He hasn’t shown enough in AAA to be a reliable option yet.

  103. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Ah now Brandon Laird and Jorge vazquez are going to be proven major leaguers? Best to sign a veteran bat who can HIT for the bench and then if he stinks you can bring up Laird and Vazquez
    ___

    You know who else would have fell into this category? Robinson Cano. He came up during a season when the need arose, and now look…..

  104. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    He’s been trying for weeks now to explain that the Yankees need Jim Thome for the bench.

    Or someone like him, Manny or Vlad would be great pick ups as well.

  105. blake January 10th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    If Manny cut his hair would it improve his aerodynamics enough that he could play LF vs tough lefties?

  106. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    When Jorge Vazquez actually shows he is more than just AAA filler he could be an option. Right now though there is nothing to suggest he is a major league baseball player.

    ____

    How exactly would you like him to prove that without coming in and actually doing it.

  107. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
    He’s been trying for weeks now to explain that the Yankees need Jim Thome for the bench.

    Or someone like him, Manny or Vlad would be great pick ups as well.

    ———-

    Yup. Just what the Yankees need. Guys to come in, take up a roster spot, not offer Girardi anything in terms of flexibility in his roster and get maybe 150 at bats during the season. A splendid allocation of resources.

  108. Erica in NY January 10th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    LGY January 10th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
    I would rather have Damon because he is much more capable of being an everyday player in the likely event that Posada gets hurt or the less likely event that one of the OF get hurt.

    **********

    Like

  109. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
    When Jorge Vazquez actually shows he is more than just AAA filler he could be an option. Right now though there is nothing to suggest he is a major league baseball player.

    ____

    How exactly would you like him to prove that without coming in and actually doing it.

    ————

    Touche…

  110. LGY January 10th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    How exactly would you like him to prove that without coming in and actually doing it.

    *******

    For some other team.

    AAA lifers are not worth it to a team like the Yankees.

  111. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    LGY January 10th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
    How exactly would you like him to prove that without coming in and actually doing it.

    *******

    For some other team.

    AAA lifers are not worth it to a team like the Yankees.

    ————-

    I think you’re getting Vazquez and Miranda confused.

  112. Wave Your Hat January 10th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Rotating DH’s are no good but when your third baseman is ARod and your shortstop is Jeter the DH is bound to rotate some. What is needed is a better hitting 3B/SS so that when ARod and Jeter rotate out the dropoff isn’t so huge.

    Don’t know where that 3B/SS is right now though.

  113. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    You don’t know what he is worth to our team.

    Clearly the consistent overpaying of free agents has not worked out (unless you are content just making it to the playoffs), except in 2009.

    One of these AAA guys can make a huge difference to this team.

  114. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    It’s a silly argument to have.

    Guys like Damon, Manny, Vlad and Thome aren’t going to sign here hoping that Posada gets hurt so that they can play and the Yankees aren’t spending some $20 million on DH and backup DH.

  115. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    A good bench for the yankees would be:

    - Montero at catcher, but will likely be cervelli until after May
    - An outfielder who can hit vs LHP: My order of preference? Manny, Vlad, Milledge, Jones that is also probably in decreasing cost as well
    - An infielder who can play SS and 3B , so Nunez
    - A heavy stick that can fill in at DH , Branyan, Thome, Giambi, Thames

    If Jeter sits he doesn’t DH.

  116. LGY January 10th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    Rotating DH at any point in the season is just awful. I don’t know why winter after winter people continue to advocate for it.

    A rotating DH commits you to having at least one noodle bat in the lineup everyday.

    When Martin needs a day off, you have at least TWO noodle bats in the lineup.

    Why do people want to see players like Pena Nunez Laird Golson Vazquez etc in the lineup everyday?

  117. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    I think you’re getting Vazquez and Miranda confused.

    Oh yea, Vazquez is older and worse

  118. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 10th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
    Rotating DH’s are no good but when your third baseman is ARod and your shortstop is Jeter the DH is bound to rotate some. What is needed is a better hitting 3B/SS so that when ARod and Jeter rotate out the dropoff isn’t so huge.

    Don’t know where that 3B/SS is right now though.

    —————

    Felipe Lopez

  119. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Pena Nunez Laird Golson Vazquez etc in the lineup everyday?

    ___

    Well because we are tired of overpaying to people who don’t get it done?

    Why do you want to see overpaid and underperforming players playing or sitting on our bench?

  120. YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    when a guy gets injured, you fill in from within the organization and make-do. if that doesn’t work or the injury is long term or season-ending, you make a trade. just like everybody else does. you dont pay everyday player money to a guy who’s going to sit (at least not before the trade deadline.)

  121. Wave Your Hat January 10th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    “If Jeter sits he doesn’t DH.”

    I think you may start seeing that happen some.

  122. blake January 10th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Wonder if the Yanks could find enough ABs to get Vlad to accept a 1 year deal…..8-10 million.

  123. LGY January 10th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    I think you’re getting Vazquez and Miranda confused.

    ******

    Your giving Vazquez too much credit comparing him to Miranda.

  124. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    And how exactly did we say any of them should play everyday? These are back ups and emergencies based on injury. ONly in your world are these big stars going to come sit on the bench hoping posada or someone else gets hurt so they can play.

  125. Wave Your Hat January 10th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    Chip-

    I would have pegged you as an anti-Lopez guy.

  126. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Wonder if the Yanks could find enough ABs to get Vlad to accept a 1 year deal…..8-10 million.

    ___

    WHAT!?!

    8-10? He didnt even make that last year as the full time DH.

  127. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
    A good bench for the yankees would be:

    - Montero at catcher, but will likely be cervelli until after May Agreed
    - An outfielder who can hit vs LHP: My order of preference? Manny, Vlad, Milledge, Jones that is also probably in decreasing cost as wellyour top two are incapable of playing the OF and Jones will probably be more expensive than Milledge
    - An infielder who can play SS and 3B , so Nunez I think they leave Nunez in AAA to open the season so he can play regularly and improve trade value
    - A heavy stick that can fill in at DH , Branyan, Thome, Giambi, Thames Why would any of those players sign on for such limited playing time except Thames

    My Bench
    Milledge, Jones, Cervelli, Pena/Nunez

  128. LGY January 10th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Well because we are tired of overpaying to people who don’t get it done? Why do you want to see overpaid and underperforming players playing or sitting on our bench?
    *******

    That is the thing.

    The Yankees do not overpay for the bench.
    Last year NJ went down and it was awful watching them rotate people through the DH spot.

    They need to stop relying on internal options when they have injury prone DHa

  129. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 10th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
    Chip-

    I would have pegged you as an anti-Lopez guy.

    ——————-

    ?

  130. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    If we could get 2nd half 2008 and 2009 felipe lopez, yes I’m on board with that. But only to fill the Nunez/Pena spot.

    Its why I wanted Keppinger. Those guys go to AAA / Get traded. (pena traded, not nunez)

    And then you get your Milledge type for the OF with Golson on backup.

    Then you have montero at catcher and a big bat to share DH and rotate in.

  131. Chip January 10th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    LGY January 10th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
    Well because we are tired of overpaying to people who don’t get it done? Why do you want to see overpaid and underperforming players playing or sitting on our bench?
    *******

    That is the thing.

    The Yankees do not overpay for the bench.
    Last year NJ went down and it was awful watching them rotate people through the DH spot.

    They need to stop relying on internal options when they have injury prone DHa

    ————-

    Yeah it was a tragedy and the Yankees suffered greatly from it…..oh wait, no they didn’t.

  132. ac1 January 10th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Well because we are tired of overpaying to people who don’t get it done? Why do you want to see overpaid and underperforming players playing or sitting on our bench?

    __

    I mean overpay in general. I think we can find one of these guys in AAA who can come up and begin a career like Cano did. He came up by necessity in 05 i think (maybe 06), and never looked back. It DOES happen.

  133. LGY January 10th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    There are too many DH available and not enough everyday DH jobs to be filled for the Yankees to not be able to sign one.

    They will have the option. They just have to take it.

  134. blake January 10th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Vlad will probably want a raise after his year last year…..if he’d come to the Yanks for 1 year at 8 million then sign me up. That is nothing to them on a one year deal…..

  135. YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    shove jorge into the dh spot, then sign thome. now THATS gonna make for a very happy clubhouse!

  136. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Yeah it was a tragedy and the Yankees suffered greatly from it…..oh wait, no they didn’t.

    Yankee DH’s did only hit: .256 .338 .440 .777
    The 2009 DH collection hit: .271 .363 .495 .858

  137. Wave Your Hat January 10th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    I don’t see why we need a fifth outfielder. The fifth outfielder is in Scranton.

  138. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    shove jorge into the dh spot, then sign thome. now THATS gonna make for a very happy clubhouse!

    Catch Jorge vs righties and DH Jorge vs Lefties.

  139. YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    jorge would be overjoyed at being the starting catcher again! but i dont see that happening.

  140. Jerkface January 10th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    jorge would be overjoyed at being the starting catcher again! but i dont see that happening.

    He wouldn’t have to start every game. Only 40 or so, which would make him an excellent backup catcher. The yankees faced 58 lefty starters in 2010. 54 in 2009.

    So 55-60 games at DH. 40-50 games at catcher (Like say… Andy and CC starts). 20-30 pinch hits.

    Actually now I’m pretty proud of this plan.

  141. LGY January 10th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Sign Thome. When Posada gets hurt DH Thome vs RHP and call up Montero to DH vs LHP and catch once or twice a week.

    That way Montero still has his chance to shine in 2011 but doesn’t have the burden or filling the DH role on an everyday basis!

  142. blake January 10th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    I do love big Jim Thome….one.of my favorite non Yankees…..the Rangers are after him though.

    http://Www.mlbtraderumors.com

  143. YsGuy January 10th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    its an elegant plan, but i just dont see any way they do it. they told jorge to go home and get ready to be the dh, and then brought in martin. i think if you bring in a dh now, you would be jerking jorge around and pissing him off and causing some real clubhouse problems. they could do it, but i just dont see that happening. to me, jorge is the primary dh and arod & the other 30-somethings will get the rest of the dh ab’s.

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