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Competition for Andruw Jones?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 13, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It’s already been noted that the Yankees and Rays have similar interests this offseason. Both have an outfield spot to fill, and both could use the free agent market to bolster their bullpens.

Now its been reported that the Rays are interested in Andruw Jones, who is pretty much the only free agent consistently linked to the Yankees these days. Jon Heyman mentions that Johnny Damon could also be a possibility for both teams. The Yankees would use Jones or Damon as a bench player, ideally giving either one occasional outfield starts against left-handers, similar to the role Marcus Thames played last year, only in the outfield and not at DH.

The Rays might be able to offer more regular playing time, with their outfield corners and designated hitter spots more or less up for grabs.

Actually, Tampa might have done the Yankees a favor yesterday by agreeing to a $3.25-million deal with Kyle Farnsworth. I can’t say with any certainty whether the Yankees were or were not interested in their former reliever, but a Farnsworth reunion would have been difficult to imagine. The Rays at least partially addresses their bullpen concerns without taking any of the more prominent relievers off the market, and that seems like a good thing for the Yankees.

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214 Responses to “Competition for Andruw Jones?”

  1. Erica in NY January 13th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    SIGN JOHNNY DAMON :-)

  2. G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    I’m having a hard time getting behind the Damon idea. We need a RH hitter. We saw what having Thames in the role last year did for us. It helped keep things honest against lefties. I realize that Damon hits lefties well for a LH hitter, but I still prefer a RH bat who can play LF well enough to not hurt the team in that role.

    And I’d still take a shot on Manny. Cano, Arod, Tex, Manny would be a pitcher’s worst nightmare if Manny still had something left.

  3. blake January 13th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Want a RH bat….overpay Vlad.

  4. Mike Ri January 13th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    i’d be happy with Vlad or Manny !

  5. upstate kate January 13th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Krazy Karl used to give me that same sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that I now get when Joba comes in

  6. Erica in NY January 13th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    I want no part of Manny in the Yankee clubhouse

  7. G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    blake,

    Vlad would be great too. I don’t know if he’d buy into the part time player he’d have to be here though. His options are limited right now though.

    I still think we could get Manny for 1.5 million with incentives. If he causes a problem you cut him and eat the pocket change. The problem with him is if we put him in LF it’s a catastrophe. Same with Vlad.

  8. Erica in NY January 13th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    upstate kate January 13th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
    Krazy Karl used to give me that same sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that I now get when Joba comes in

    ************

    Oddly enough, that last year before he was traded he seemed to be turning a corner and finally adjusting to the Yankees. I still feel sad when I think of him crying the day he was traded

    And I still think that trade had a direct part in the 2008 Yankees not making the playoffs. The bullpen had been coming into its own until Krazy Kyle was traded for Pudge

  9. blake January 13th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    The Yanks could give Vlad significantly more for one year than anyone else to lure him there…..especially if Pettite retires and they pass on Soriano. Probably would be difficult to manage PT but having his bat around would be real.nice.

  10. Doreen January 13th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Erica -

    I agree with you on the Farnsworth trade situation. He WAS coming around and finally doing what the Yankees had wanted him to do. It seemed he was happy – I think he had a good working relationship with Girardi.

    Pudge just seemed never to fit well. He’s still the only guy I’ve ever seen who did NOT look good in pinstripes. :lol:

    I know they had little choice, but, still ……

  11. blake January 13th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Im.not sure Manny wouldn’t choose staying home over playing for 1.5 million. I think you.could DH Vlad against lefties and when Posada caught or rested…….it might be a bit messy but they could make it work.

  12. Phranchise January 13th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Vlade is a k machine that never works a count and swings at everything. No thanks. When you see highlights he looks great. He strikes me as a guy that would be extremely difficult to watch day to day and extremely frustrating. Manny would be a better option if he wasn’t such a headcase. The fact he is such good friends with Arod might keep him more in check, but he’s a guy you could never trust. I don’t like Andruw Jones as he’s an all or nothing hitter now, but he is much better defensively than all the other options. I am still partial to Damon for the #2 hole as I think this lineup needs length, not pop and he does he lefties well enough. But at his age I guess injury risk and declinging skills is a problem. Take away his speed and he wouldn’t add much. Basically it’s the same as the starting pitching, no great options and all have serious flaws.

  13. austinmac January 13th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Erica,

    Since you put it in all caps, they should do it. Sign Damon.

    Since they are short on pitching, they must improve the offense. I think he can still help.

  14. have a cigar January 13th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Someone needs to tell Tampa to find their own dumpster to dive in.

  15. G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    If Pettitte doesn’t come back I don’t think Posada will catch unless it’s an emergency.

  16. heyman_sux January 13th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    And I still think that trade had a direct part in the 2008 Yankees not making the playoffs. The bullpen had been coming into its own until Krazy Kyle was traded for Pudge
    _________

    Meh, I doubt Farnsworth would have lifted them into playoffs over the final two months of the season. I understand he was improving, and I appreciate that enjoyed being a Yankee. Cash prob saw that as selling while his value was high, and they DID need a catcher at the time (even tho Pudge didn’t fit)

  17. blake January 13th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    G.Love

    Yea I don’t know either….ill be interested to see what they do if Montero just comes to.Tampa and destroys ST like Heyward did last year with the Braves.

  18. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Let’s just sign Roy White and be done with it.

    Actually, was recently looking at his career…a very underrated player…Bill James makes a case for HOF, but I think he is just below the cut.

    This moment in Yankee history has been brought to you by Steiner Sports–selling products for those too demented to recall the past without visible aids.

  19. ML January 13th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Chad left out the best thing about the rays signing farnsworth: we get to hit against him!

  20. pat January 13th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    G Love

    The news is that Jeter is open to accepting extra support pre- ST. Not the place or the timing.

  21. J. Alfred Prufrock January 13th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Erica in NY January 13th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
    I want no part of Manny in the Yankee clubhouse

    ///I don’t understand,how would you even manage to get in there?

  22. J. Alfred Prufrock January 13th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    I still think we could get Manny for 1.5 million with incentives. If he causes a problem you cut him and eat the pocket change. The problem with him is if we put him in LF it’s a catastrophe. Same with Vlad.

    ///
    you could put him in right on occasion & shift Swisher to left.he’d be better there than Manny.

  23. austinmac January 13th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Bojo,

    I remember it well when White was the Yankees best player. He did have an arm about like Damon’s though. He is not much older than some of the other options. :)

  24. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    The thing about Damon/Vlad/Manny is none of them play right field. We need someone that can play ALL outfield positions.

  25. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    I’d still prefer Golson, Russo, or Laird over any of the options we are hearing about…and I am surprised that Scott Hairston is getting so little attention. Even with a down season last year, he still has good tools and a decent track record.

  26. J. Alfred Prufrock January 13th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    haha Bojo White was such a steady,reliable,classy player.

  27. Erica in NY January 13th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    austinmac January 13th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
    Erica,

    Since you put it in all caps, they should do it. Sign Damon.

    ***********

    All caps means serious business!

  28. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Why stop at Scott Hairston. Bring in BOTH Hairstons. They could fill ALL of the needs.

  29. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    JAP–

    I actually wish I could edit that comment to:

    “This moment in Yankee history has been brought to you by Steiner Sports–selling worthless junk to those too demented to recall the past without visible aids.”

  30. Erica in NY January 13th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    In other important news, the earth’s alignment has changed in the last 3,000 years and your zodiac sign may not be accurate!

    http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/.....-sign.html

  31. G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    blake,

    I actually think the mere idea that Damon is a possibility says to me they are thinking Montero may end up playing a bigger role than they are letting on. If his RH bat is ready and can produce at C and DH, they can afford let Damon hit against lefties instead of Bret and Grandy.

  32. G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Bojo,

    Steiner sports sells a lot of worthless junk with the exception of the greatest ice cream flavor I’ve ever had at their Last Lick’s ice cream shops– it’s called Carton Crunch. Mint chocoalate chip ice cream with oreos and Junior Mints (and a few other goodies) in it. It’s the ice cream version of crack.

  33. heyman_sux January 13th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    I?d still prefer Golson, Russo, or Laird over any of the options we are hearing about?and I am surprised that Scott Hairston is getting so little attention. Even with a down season last year, he still has good tools and a decent track record.
    ___________

    I think Chad did a rundown on available DH/4th OF types including Scott Hairston a little while back. None of them really left you saying “thats the guy the Yankees should target”. Really, the best situation might be resign Thames to a similar deal and hope for anything resembling similar production at the plate. I’m not sure where he stands now tho – I know he was offered a lot more money to play in Japan…

  34. J. Alfred Prufrock January 13th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
    I’d still prefer Golson,
    ///

    All about The Gregory!

  35. blake January 13th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    G.Love,

    I can see that. Im not sure exactly what they are up to with Montero……I hope if they are keeping him in the minors to keep his value high for a potential trade then they have eyes for King Felix only….if he should come available. Otherwise Im hoping to see him in NY by the end of May.

  36. Justoletuknow January 13th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Manny is done since he can no longer use PED’s. He proved that last year. I want no part of him. I like the idea of bringing Damon back. We were terrible in the clutch last year and it killed us against Texas. Damon rose to the occasion more than once during his time with us. Plus I love him in the clubhouse. We more Swisher / Damon types to keep us playing lose. Jones doesn’t do anything for me. I’d much rather have Damon. Hopefully someone we sign or trade for can pitch. The offence is still good. We have a glaring need for pitching.

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock January 13th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
    JAP–

    I actually wish I could edit that comment to:

    “This moment in Yankee history has been brought to you by Steiner Sports–selling worthless junk to those too demented to recall the past without visible aids.”

    ///
    lol! speaking of Steiner Sports,if you have season tix these guys kill your email box.effin’ nightmare.

  38. J. Alfred Prufrock January 13th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Manny is done since he can no longer use PED’s

    ///
    I doubt Manny is done.

  39. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
    It’s the ice cream version of crack.
    ++++++++++++++
    My addiction is Chocolate Peanut Butter Swirl by a company I can’t recall….I melt it down and inject directly into veins with an IV

  40. Keith--FL January 13th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    If the Yankees really want Andruw Jones or Damon (I prefer Damon) then stop being cheap and stop saying we are exploring the market, having dialogue, checking in on players Cashman and sign them b/c I am tired of hearing it…we are the Yankees and it seems to be that Cashman and Hal want that payroll under 200 million just to show everyone in baseball we can still win with that payroll……problem is our payroll is so high because we are paying past their prime players like Posada and Jeter way above market value and AROD’s contract is ridiculous and way too much, but that’s another story…..so in order to build a bench the Yankees are forced to be cheap to keep the payroll lower…..then the ticket prices need to be lowered if the payroll is going lower!!!!!

  41. upstate kate January 13th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    The Yankees have worked so hard to improve the club house w/ good character guys like CC, Granderson and Swish. I don’t see Manny fitting in there at all.

    G.Love
    that ice cream sounds yummy

  42. randy l. January 13th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    “Rick Peterson on mlbradio now talking about prevention of pitching injuries.”

    blake -

    how do you listen to mlb radio? i’ve looked before trying to find it on the web and no luck.
    i must be missing something simple. checked on mlb.com too

  43. blake January 13th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Randy,

    I get it on XM radio. Im not sure if you can access it online or not…..someone else might know if you can……I thought you could.

  44. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    What did Peterson say?

  45. blake January 13th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    People were talking to me while I was trying to listen but he just went through some of the things he thinks causes injuries….mechanics, etc… discussed how pitches thrown is more important than number of innings, pitch counts, innings limits. Interesting from what I heard, but as I said I was being distracted so I didn’t hear it all.

  46. Erica in NY January 13th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    upstate kate January 13th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
    The Yankees have worked so hard to improve the club house w/ good character guys like CC, Granderson and Swish. I don’t see Manny fitting in there at all.

    *************

    Do you know who is known to be a good clubhouse character guy??

    Johnny Damon :-)

  47. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Jerry and Scott Hairston, back up catcher (Montero), Nunez/Laird/etc/ Soriano (or Rauch), Garcia (Ducscherer/Francis/Gorzellany/etc)

    These are what we need.

  48. stanzy January 13th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Noticed some talk in the previous thread about people who should or should not be in the HOF. My company’s site has what I found to be an interesting post about the Hall and the perception that it’s become too easy to get in. The data suggests otherwise, but I know many people have pretty strong opinions on the matter. (I’ve seen the phrase “It’s not the Hall of Very Good” repeated on here many times.)

    http://www.techdirt.com/articl.....rong.shtml

    I think the author is on to something when he says part of the reason for people believing it’s gotten too easy has to do with some romanticizing about the abilities of HOFers from past eras. My own opinion is that some people get a bit too caught up in stats as the sole, or even most important, prerequisite for election to the Hall. It is the Hall of *Fame*, after all, not the Hall of Excellent or Elite. That fact, to me, allows there to be some flexibility regarding stats, when you’re talking about a player who had a significant impact on the game, whether as a game-changer, an all-time great (performance-wise), or simply a stand-out player (“famous”) in his own era. Regardless, it doesn’t seem like there’s really a single objective standard, and I’m OK with that.

    Anyway, thought it was an interesting post that folks here might like to read/discuss.

  49. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Interesting that Kevin Long has apparently worked with Colin Curtis this off-season. I wonder if he sees greater potential than others…

  50. upstate kate January 13th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Erica
    and he knows how to play at YS

  51. Rich in NJ January 13th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    They can have Jones.

  52. UnKnown January 13th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    One thing is for sure if the Yankees stay with the current roster as is set right now. That one thing is that Joe G. will have to manage to win every game this year. No luxury of bringing in Gaudin every game to screw things up. Of course thankfully Gaudin is off the roster.

    Girardi is going to have to manage the best season he has ever had for New York to be successful this year.

  53. upstate kate January 13th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Thanks for the article Stanzy. It will be interesting to see what happens as more from the steroid era become eligible. My personal feeling is that Bonds and Clemmons should be in, they would have been HOF regardless. And if MLB had not turned a blind eye to the McGuire/Sosa HR chase, perhaps Bonds would have never used. I also think that Pete Rose belongs.

  54. murphydog January 13th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Jones is not going to make or break the season for anyone, IMO. I don’t see any magical resurrection of his career, especially now that uppers and roids are off the table. right now he’s Marcus Thames of 2010, but with a past consisting of higher highs and lower lows. If he was anything else, we wouldn’t be tlaking about him because he’d be starting for someone.

    As for Mr. Pettitte, why doesn’t he just come out and say he wants to pitch only half a season starting after the all star break? Why not work that out with Andy? It’d be the best mid-season pickup Cash could make.

  55. Erica in NY January 13th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    I love Andy Pettitte and would like nothing more than to see him come back at the start of the season. But thats just it- come back at the start of the season. Don’t plan on the Yankees rolling out the red carpet in May. (Sorry NYY626). I think Clemens set a very bad precedent.

  56. Bronx Jeers January 13th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Steiner sells ice cream?

    75$ a cup but it comes with an official game used napkin that Joba used to wipe the sweat off the back of his neck.

    For 225$ Jeter will lick your cone.

  57. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Bronx Jeers January 13th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Steiner sells ice cream?

    75$ a cup but it comes with an official game used napkin that Joba used to wipe the sweat off the back of his neck.

    For 225$ Jeter will lick your cone.
    ++++++++++++++
    For $400, Joba won’t lick your cone.

  58. Rich in NJ January 13th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    “Jones is not going to make or break the season for anyone, IMO.”

    I think three factors can make this season (all things being equal):

    1) AJ being at least league average, maybe a little above
    2) Jeter, Alex, and Posada regressing to (or near) their career norms
    3) Hughes taking a big step forward, being consistent with about a 115 ERA+

  59. randy l. January 13th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    blake-

    i’m all over mlb.com ans i can’t find mlb radio. i am watching video of vazquez pitching against the rays last spring.

    vazquez made so much sense on paper last winter. that’s one of those cases where it just didn’t work out when it easily could have.

    pitching is a different animal than offense .

    because there are only 5 starters. if one goes bad it has much more impact because it’s one out of five instead of one out of nine offensive players. 20% vs.11%.

    then on the other hand offensive players play very day.

    all i know is that when an offensive player goes down it does feel like 11% changes and when a pitcher goes down it feels like 20% has changed.

    i’m just thinking that there’s a higher probability that losing a pitcher can cause more problems than losing an offensive player because there’s fewer of them.

    the fewer of something the more it’s going to hurt if you lose that something.maybe it’s time for baseball to start thinking of having a different approach than just five starters. why not have two young guys( who are inning restricted anyway) throw 4 innings each for example?

    the yankees could have phelps/ nova fill one spot every five days.3- 4 innings each. it rests the pen. it gives a young guy some room to breath if they go through a rough spell. if they both get hot and can go more than 4 innings in games that’s a good problem to have.

    i realize this is not something ever done before except in spring training, but the yankees have a bit of a unique situation. they have young guys who are inning restricted and who are unknowns because they have no mlb experience. they have 4-5 young guys who could be effective for short periods at the mlb level. there’s no way to know though until they let them pitch in the majors.

    if brackman comes up say to be part of a duo for the fifth spot, it is a much easier to be given 3-4 innings rather than being expected to go 6 innings. brackman and phelps would be much less pressure on either one instead of one or the other having the fifth spot and being expected to go 6 innings which in reality young guys almost never do.

    i’m just saying the yankees may need to rethink how they fill the fit spot given their situation.maybe it’s a time to do something experimental and progressive. at one time there was no such thing as a modern closer.

  60. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    And for $500, a former pitcher and announcer will give you his opinion in 10,000 words or so why a multi-flavor mixture is the best choice…that is referred to as the “David Cone.”

  61. Against All Odds January 13th, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    # Bronx Jeers January 13th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Steiner sells ice cream?

    75$ a cup but it comes with an official game used napkin that Joba used to wipe the sweat off the back of his neck.

    For 225$ Jeter will lick your cone.

    ———————————–

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I needed that laugh. The sad part is Steiner would definitely do that and ppl would buy it.

  62. murphydog January 13th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Erica:

    If I had a choice between Andy pitching gingerly in the cold early season trying to stay healthy for 33 – 35 starts versus Andy pitching when the weather gets warm and only having to have enough gas for the second half, I’d take it. Even half a season of Andy is better than none, IMO. If being home for half a year makes him feel less like an absentee dad/husband, why not go for it? It’s this year and then that’s it.

  63. have a cigar January 13th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    I guess Plan B is “rotation by committee”.

  64. Bronx Jeers January 13th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    I’ll have a scoop of Doc Ellis Dilated Pupil Delight and one of Boomer Wells Hangover Heaven topped with Matsui Knee Fluid Syrup and some Steve Howe Sprinkles!

  65. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 January 13th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Erica in NY January 13th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
    I love Andy Pettitte and would like nothing more than to see him come back at the start of the season. But thats just it- come back at the start of the season. Don’t plan on the Yankees rolling out the red carpet in May. (Sorry NYY626). I think Clemens set a very bad precedent.
    _______________________________
    What if he comes back w/o any red carpets? :sigh: I just really want to give him a nice Oneill-like send off. I feel like this whole Clemens thing is weighing heavily on Andy’s decision so naturally I kinda want to hurt Roger Clemens ( ive never really liked him anyway)

  66. Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    MLB radio is MLB network Radio on XM / Sirius satellite radio. You have to purchase a receiver and pay monthly to get the channel (but you get all the other channels as well). It lets you listen to the games with the local radio guys even if you are outside of the state.

  67. randy l. January 13th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    “If I had a choice between Andy pitching gingerly in the cold early season trying to stay healthy for 33 – 35 starts versus Andy pitching when the weather gets warm and only having to have enough gas for the second half, I’d take it”

    murphydog-

    who wouldn’t take it? it would be great if they planned on doing it.

    i’m surprised, but it really seems like andy is shutting it down for now. it’s kind of a weird way to do it. it’d be like someone is breaking up with someone and they say to move on but maybe they’ll get it touch if i change my mind.

    it’s rather indecisive and isn’t totally fair because it doesn’t make a definitive break. it’s not totally unfair either because it’s being honest.

    i just would have thought pettitte would come back because his buddies need him and for being such a good guy. plus he’d be given 15 million too.

    at this point i think cashman should get in touch with pettitte and tell him as much as he values and respects petite, he needs an answer one way or the other that brings closure to the situation.

  68. Brian January 13th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    # Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    MLB radio is MLB network Radio on XM / Sirius satellite radio. You have to purchase a receiver and pay monthly to get the channel (but you get all the other channels as well). It lets you listen to the games with the local radio guys even if you are outside of the state.
    ——————-

    Not necessarily true. I’ve found most of the time the radio broadcasts on my XM radio are from the home team’s announcers. So for 1/2 the games you get the Yankees; the other 1/2, whoever they are playing against on the road.

  69. murphydog January 13th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Yankee Ice Cream Flavors:

    1) Boomer Wells’ Belly Button Lint Mint with Beer Swirl

    2) Reggie Jackson’s All Beef Hotdog with Extra Mustard Sundae

    3) Whitey Ford’s Cutty Sark Parfait

    4) Mickey Mantle’s Old No. 7 Strawberry with Jack Daniel’s 80 Proof Ice Cream

    5) Derek Jeter’s No Fat, No Calorie Intangible Tangerine

    6) Paul O’Neill’s Watercooler Crackup with hard-plastic flavored chunks of frozen Tofu

    7) Joe Girardi’s Red White and Blueberry Ice Cream

    8) Joe Torre’s Pasta with Olive Oil and Garlic Flavored Sorbet

    9) George M. Steinbrenner III’s Ben Franklin Lime Ice

    10) Phil Rizzutto’ s Huckleberry Supreme

  70. randy l. January 13th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    “MLB radio is MLB network Radio on XM / Sirius satellite radio”

    thanks jerkface-

    ah, now i see the problem- mlb radio is only available on sirius radio.

    that seems kind of dumb because it seems like creating too small of a market to listen to it.

    any creative ways around it :)

  71. Erica in NY January 13th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    NYY626 – Andy in 2011 January 13th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
    Erica in NY January 13th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
    I love Andy Pettitte and would like nothing more than to see him come back at the start of the season. But thats just it- come back at the start of the season. Don’t plan on the Yankees rolling out the red carpet in May. (Sorry NYY626). I think Clemens set a very bad precedent.
    _______________________________
    What if he comes back w/o any red carpets? :sigh: I just really want to give him a nice Oneill-like send off. I feel like this whole Clemens thing is weighing heavily on Andy’s decision so naturally I kinda want to hurt Roger Clemens ( ive never really liked him anyway)

    ****************

    I am sure if he chooses retirement that there would be some sort of Andy Pettitte Day at the stadium

  72. Erica in NY January 13th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    murphydog-

    LOL! :lol:

  73. Bronx Jeers January 13th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Nice Murph.

    Curtis Granderson is asking that we pray for Frank Robinson. Apparently he’s been hospitalized.

  74. randy l. January 13th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    i listen to yankee games radio on mlb.com and watch streamed games, but i’m assuming that mlb talk shows on sirius are a different thing. is that correct?

  75. murphydog January 13th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    randy l:

    I don’t know what is going on with Andy. It’s ok to have a little routine, off-season drama as Andy plays Hamlet, but really… it’s time. “Mid season Andy” sounds like a nice solution but maybe it is the Clemens Trial. Be a real doggone shame if this is the reason Andy doesn’t go after it one more season, but it’s very nearly time to move on.

  76. upstate kate January 13th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

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  78. Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    You can get the radio streams and TV from mlb.tv and gameday audio, but Satellite has a dedicated talk channel. Its usually a decent listen as far as radio goes and they will stick with stuff as news is breaking so thats good.

  79. Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    You may be able to pay a lower monthly fee for XM radio online only without a receiver, but I’m not sure. I just use it in my car.

    You can’t pirate satellite radio.

  80. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 January 13th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Erica – Not the same! He did get a nice ovation when he came out in game 6 of the WS last year but it didnt reach Oneill levels. That Oneill chant still gives me chills. One of the coolest things ever IMO.

  81. murphydog January 13th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    upstate kate:

    “very clever, but Jeet really needs to be vanilla”

    Intangible tangerine was too good to pass up ;)

    Besides I don’t think a guy who has “dated” as many babes as the Cap’n has is as pure vanilla as you might think.

  82. murphydog January 13th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    “You can?t pirate satellite radio.”

    You mean, not yet.

  83. upstate kate January 13th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Randy
    that is an interesting idea, having the young guys share the 5th spot. Do you think it would ever happen? It could eliminate the “3rd time thru the line up” issue, take some of the pressure off if they knew they only had to pitch a few innings, and help with the pitch count worries.

  84. upstate kate January 13th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    oh murphydog say it isn’t so!

  85. Bronx Jeers January 13th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    No love for my doc ellis flavor-semi obscure drug reference.

    The matsui knee fluid thing was an homage to Nick wherever he is. :sad:

  86. mick January 13th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    blake January 13th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Whenever Jeter has slumped in his career its been because he gets out and front and jumps at the ball…..
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    Does anyone else notice Jeter swinging at the 1st pitch more than anyone else in baseball?
    It seems like he’s in a hurry or at least lacking concentration up there.
    Certainly not the Jeter who bears down in big spots and usually delivers.
    Perplexing, because I don’t know the cause of it, unless he’s just impatient.

  87. randy l. January 13th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    on frank robinson:
    “His condition appeared to be stable and he was being taken to the hospital for more tests, Courtney said.”
    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

    i was in spring training once with the orioles when robinson was the manager. he was one guy who just looked at you and you knew you were around someone of substance.

    i would say i was scared of him, but i was on my toes at all times .
    part of the reason for that is i was brought in to catch one guy and robinson did not want that one guy on the team. the gm did.

    his name was danny boone and he was a knuckleball pitcher that no one on the orioles wanted to catch if they could help it . i had caught danny for two years so he asked them to bring me in so he wouldn’t be beating up the other catchers when he wanted extra work.

    so in effect i was danny’s personal catcher which everyone except robinson thought was pretty funny. my locker was next to ben mcdonald’s and he totally cracked up when he figured out what my job was.

    danny was among the international league leaders in era the year before at rochester and the orioles wanted him to be the mlb closer of all things . danny had two knucklers- a fast one that no one could hit or catch, and a slow knuckler that could be caught but hit much easier.

    danny was doing well until a game in spring training when he came in to pitch the ninth inning of a tie game and struck out the first hitter on hard knuckleballs . the catcher had a passed ball and the hitter got to first. the catcher then had three more passed balls and the runner scored by moving all around the bases on the passed balls. game over.

    robinson blew a gasket and danny was sent to triple a camp the next day and danny refused to go there which ended his career.

    it was a dumb decision by danny because he was really good . he also had the best left-handed pickoff move i’ve ever seen.

    anyway , best wishes to frank robinson even though i obviously got booted out too when danny left :)

    robinson was one of the great ones. no doubt about it.

  88. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Randy–

    That idea of sharing the 5th spot is sort of what they did last year with Nova nad Mitre…pretty good idea. Breaks 2 rookies in at the same time instead of 1 per year.

  89. Doreen January 13th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    murphydog -

    No green tea sorbet or ice cream for Mr. Torre??? :)

    randy l -

    I have a subscription to XM/Sirius. You can listen to some things on your computer but not all; they want you to have a receiver for your home – though apparently you can have a portable that moves from your car to your home (but that works only if satellite didnt’ come pre-installed in the car).

    I don’t believe you can listen to the MLB station on your computer, but I could be wrong.

    Oh, I just looked. For $13 a month you can get Sirius Satellite radio on your PC, iPhone, iPod Touch or Smartphone (Droid/Blackberry).

    Since I already have a regular account, it’d be an extra $2.99 per month for this “app.”

    Sheesh.

  90. SAS January 13th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    Hi all,

    Busy morning here in the West.

    Johnny Damon sounds good to me. Golson and Nunez would be the extra fielders and Montero/Cervelli back up catcher.

    ==================================================

    If they give Andy (who I love) a day, what about the day they never gave Bernie.

    I think Andy may return in May or June.

  91. DocTodd January 13th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    Reports say Yanks may be thinking about possibly considering making an offer to a free agent.

  92. mick January 13th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

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  93. Bronx Jeers January 13th, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    Good yarn Randy.

    Those stories are probably why they haven’t voted you off the island yet. :wink:

  94. SAS January 13th, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    What reports Doc?

  95. mick January 13th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    I would hate to think the Andy holdup is about money.
    We might never know but he could be insulted by a Yankee offer that is lowball .

  96. randy l. January 13th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    “I’ll have a scoop of Doc Ellis Dilated Pupil Delight and one of Boomer Wells Hangover Heaven topped with Matsui Knee Fluid Syrup and some Steve Howe Sprinkles!”

    bronx jeers-

    i heard gene clines and al oliver telling the story and swear that doc ellis had taken LSD when he pitched that no hitter. both were on that pirate team in that no hitter that doc ellis threw.

    http://www.baseball-reference......6121.shtml

    dock ellis was a character and there was really more to him than met the eye.

    he once pitched a game against the reds where he said he was going to hit every guy that came up to bat and he did.

  97. SAS January 13th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

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  98. randy l. January 13th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    dock ellis hitting every red batter that came up:

    http://www.nonoadockumentary.com/2010/05/mayday/

    Donald Hall poetically described the game action:

    “The first pitch to Pete Rose was directly toward his head,” as Dock expresses it, “not actually to hit him, ” but as “the message, to let him know that he was going to get hit. More or less to press his lips. I knew if I could get close to the head that I could get them in the body. Because they’re looking to protect their head, they’ll give me the body.” The next pitch was behind him. “The next one, I hit him in the side.”

    Pete Rose’s response was even more devastating than Dock had anticipated. He smiled. Then he picked the ball up, where it had fallen beside him, and gently, underhanded, tossed it back to Dock. Then he lit for first as if trying out for the Olympics.

    As Dock says, with huge approval, “You have to be good, to be a hot dog.”

    As Rose bent down to pick up the ball, he had exchanged a word with Joe Morgan who was batting next. [...] Morgan taunted Rose, “He doesn’t like you anyway. You’re a white guy.”

    Dock hit Morgan in the kidneys with his first pitch.

    “The next batter was Driessen. I threw a ball to him. High and inside. The next one, I hit him in the back.”

    [...]

    Bases loaded, no outs. Tony Perez, Cincinnati first baseman, came to bat. He did not dig in. “There was no way I could hit him. He was running. The first one I threw behind him, over his head, up against the screen, but it came back off the glass, and they didn’t advance. I threw behind him because he was backing up, but then he stepped in front of the ball. The next three pitches, he was running. . . . I walked him.” A run came in. “The next hitter was Johnny Bench. I tried to deck him twice. I threw at his jaw, and he moved. I threw at the back of his head, and he moved.”

    (donald hall, by the way, is one of the best baseball writers ever by the way even though he was a poet)

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    ++++++++++++
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    It seems like he’s in a hurry or at least lacking concentration up there.
    Certainly not the Jeter who bears down in big spots and usually delivers.
    Perplexing, because I don’t know the cause of it, unless he’s just impatient
    ============================================

    How about results? Jeter hits .379 for his CAREER when putting the ball in play on the 1st pitch. If he gets behind 0-1 (the only other result on swinging at the 1st pitch possible) his average for his career when putting the next pitch in play is .395. What is wrong with those results?

    The primary reason for his below average year (at least statistically) was his BA on 1st pitches in 2010 was .292; on 0-1 pitches is was .324. That is still way above his overall average.

    This fixation on this blog about him swinging early in the count ignores his performance for his career. Some batters wait out pitchers all the time (Don Mattingly never swung at a 1st pitch), some are agressive, it’s just a matter of what works better for a player.

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