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Heyman: Yankees agree to terms with Soriano

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 13, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

So much for not losing a draft pick.

According to Jon Heyman, the Yankees have agreed to terms with Rafael Soriano on a three year deal.

UPDATE, 9:40 p.m.: Tyler Kepner has the contract breakdown: Soriano can opt out after the first or second year. If he opts out after 2011, he gets $11.5 million. If he opts out after 2012, he gets $21.5 million total. If he sticks around for all three years of the contract, Soriano gets the full $35 million.

As for the impact on the rest of the roster, I just talked to a Yankees source who said there has been no internal discussion about signing a reliever so that Joba Chamberlain is free to move back to the rotation. Unless something changes, the plan is still to keep Chamberlain in the bullpen.

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562 Responses to “Heyman: Yankees agree to terms with Soriano”

  1. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    Cashman is adamant that Joba will not start again.

    I hope they build up his innings gradually before they make him go 6 per game.

  2. Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    It makes putting Chamberlain back into the rotation or trading him or Robertson in a deal for a good starter a lot easier.

    -

    If this is a side effect, then great. I hope they look at Joba to the rotation. That would be awesome. Or trade him, equally awesome.

  3. jesusmonterofordh January 13th, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    is very risky, could work out, he opts out and yanks upgrade their draft status

  4. jem7777 January 13th, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    Who did they give up to get Soriano?

  5. Crawdaddy January 13th, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    Damn, what an awful signing. Cashman has really dropped the ball and deserves every bit of criticism he’s going to get about this signing.

  6. blake January 13th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    “The Yankees won 92% of the time when leading going into the 8th inning last year. Realistically how much can Soriano increase that?”

    True, but not having to save your other relievers for the 8th inning can trickle down to the earlier innings….meaning you may be able to carry more leads into the 8th. For example, Joba, or Robertson, or Feliciano can now be available to get key outs in the 6th and 7th inning instead of saving them for later.

  7. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    the terms sound like cash was working on this for a little while, so when he says he wasnt giving up the draft pick, chances are this was already in the works.

  8. TheStraw January 13th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    People here are never happy. If Cash signs no one, they complain and call him Rip Van Winkle. If he signs Soriano, they criticize the signing. Let’s wait until we see the real contract terms before we pass judgment.

  9. blake January 13th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    “Cashman is adamant that Joba will not start again.”

    He was also adamant that they weren’t losing their #1 pick….

  10. Jerzz January 13th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    Rauch is almost as good and could have been had for no picks and a cheaper deal.

  11. Keith--FL January 13th, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    I like it alot…..if Soriano pitches like he did last year in the AL East with the Rays our bullpen will be awesome…gotta give Heyman credit, he’s good and has good sources….he kept saying Yankees were in on Soriano even after Cashman’s statement of refusing to give up the first round draft pick and he was the one who kept saying all along there was a mystery team still in on Cliff Lee, which of course was the Phillies…..

  12. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    Soriano can also be used in the 7th inning, in a close game. Allows Girardi to use a back up closer in a game on the line spot.

  13. 4time January 13th, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    TylerKepner
    If Soriano opts out after 1 yr, he gets $11.5M. If he opts out after yr 2, he gets $21.5M total. If he stays all 3, he gets $35M.

  14. jesusmonterofordh January 13th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    rauch isn’t in soriano league

  15. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    TheStraw January 13th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
    People here are never happy. If Cash signs no one, they complain and call him Rip Van Winkle. If he signs Soriano, they criticize the signing. Let’s wait until we see the real contract terms before we pass judgment.

    ____

    3/35 and if opt after year 1 11.5, year 2, 21.5, full 3, 35.

  16. Ralow January 13th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    That’s a lot of money for a set-up guy but the key to winning in the post-season is a dominant bullpen. We just shortened all those ALCS/ALDS games to 5 or 6 innings. Remember 1996-2000?? We had the best bullpen in baseball and won 4 out of 5. Hopefully, Soriano works out better than the last closer we had as a set-up guy for Mo (Tom Gordon).

  17. blake January 13th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    So the deal is pretty much a one year deal with 2 player options.

  18. Against All Odds January 13th, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    So Heyman was right about Soriano maybe he’s right about Andy working out.

  19. blake January 13th, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    JonHeyman #redsox will likely enter 2011 as AL East favorite. but #yankees arent done. #soriano. #lockdownbullpen 18 minutes ago via web

  20. Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    True, but not having to save your other relievers for the 8th inning can trickle down to the earlier innings….meaning you may be able to carry more leads into the 8th. For example, Joba, or Robertson, or Feliciano can now be available to get key outs in the 6th and 7th inning instead of saving them for later.

    The Yankees play 162 games. Thats 162 innings worth of the 8th. Soriano covers only 60-70 potential innings of those 162. And he has to cover some of the 9th and other times as well.

    I will say this again: As a pure baseball move having Soriano in the bullpen if he stays healthy will be a huge boon because he is damn good. I repeat, Soriano is great. But its just not a very good use of resources.

    Last year we had a lead or were tied this often:

    6th inning – 101 times
    7th inning – 98 times
    8th inning – 96 times
    9th inning – 97 times

    Just really not sure how much of an impact Soriano is really going to have on these areas for the money we are giving him.

  21. RespectTheGame January 13th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    To count on a 41 yr old Rivera to stay healthy is not wise. Holding on to that 1st rd pic of unknown abilities with no guarantee of future success is a far bigger gamble than this signing.

  22. TheStraw January 13th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    I would tend to doubt he would get a $14 million/year salary from any team but the Yanks. He will be here all three years. The opt outs may just be a re-negotiating trigger for a long term deal in the event Mo does retire either during or at the end of his contract.

  23. Laura - I Bleed Blue January 13th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Would have preferred to have given that money to Wood, but he decided to take chump change to pitch for those losers the sCrUBS.

  24. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    We get it, you don’t like the deal. Maybe you turn out to be right, maybe not…. And apparently, if he opts out, which with Boras you know he will, we get 1 or 2 draft picks.

  25. Against All Odds January 13th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    # Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    It makes putting Chamberlain back into the rotation or trading him or Robertson in a deal for a good starter a lot easier.

    -

    If this is a side effect, then great. I hope they look at Joba to the rotation. That would be awesome. Or trade him, equally awesome.

    —————————————————–

    either one is fine with me but of course I would like him to start.

  26. 4time January 13th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Let’s be honest, most nights that CC/Hughes are not on the mound (or Burnett if he’s on), we’re probably going to be in the pen early, like the 5th or 6th inning.

    Take what you can get from the Novas, Noeseis, Mitres of the world and try and lock down that game. Allows Girardi to have quick hooks with guys and use Feliciano/Logan more liberally because he doesn’t have to “save them” for the 8th inning because now he has a lockdown 8th inning guy.

    And Rivera is no spring chicken. No 4 out saves, 3 days in a row, etc. for him. And we might even be able to avoid back-to-backs.

  27. Mike_Boston January 13th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    It’s hard to find a negative in having the 2 best relievers in baseball.

  28. blake January 13th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    “Last year we had a lead or were tied this often:

    6th inning – 101 times
    7th inning – 98 times
    8th inning – 96 times
    9th inning – 97 times

    Just really not sure how much of an impact Soriano is really going to have on these areas for the money we are giving him.”

    If he causes them to win those 5 games they lost between the 6th and 8th innings then won’t that be worth it?

  29. G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    YES!!!!!

  30. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    TheStraw January 13th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
    I would tend to doubt he would get a $14 million/year salary from any team but the Yanks. He will be here all three years. The opt outs may just be a re-negotiating trigger for a long term deal in the event Mo does retire either during or at the end of his contract.

    _____

    $14M/year? His annual would not even his 12/ year no matter if he is here 1/2/3.

    11.5 if 1
    10.75 / year if 2
    11.66 if all 3.

  31. CB January 13th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    The Yankees played this the right way. Soriano made sense on a 3 year deal but much less on a 4 year deal.

    The value of this move is contingent on what other moves they make now.

    It seems clear now that the corollary move would be to move Joba back to the rotation if Pettite doesn’t come back.

    If they do that, then obtaining Soriano effectively allowed them to fill a rotation spot in as efficient a manner as possible given what’s transpired before.

    Soriano is a very good arm. If he’s healthy, he isn’t just another guy who has had success out of the pen but is marginal.

    His stuff is not fungible.

  32. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    and who knows who will need a closer after 2011 and may be willing to pay him 12 M/year.

  33. Dylan January 13th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    This is important, not just because we need an 8th inning guy, but because Rivera is 41 years old. The guy has been ridiculously consistent throughout his career, but I don’t think its fair to expect him to have an ERA under 2 until he is 50 years old. I will never bet against Mo, but eventually he is going to start declining as a player. If and when that does happen, its good that we have another guy that can step in and do a good job.

  34. 4time January 13th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    To counter us surrendering the pick, just go out and sign the best guy in Latin America this summer. Maybe the best hitter and pitcher or something. Or if another Chapman comes around, give him a boatload of money.

    Not worried about the pick. We’ll have a chance to add some high-ceiling talent in LA this summer if we want.

  35. P January 13th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    Why do you guys take anything said in the media at face value? Even Cash purposely dis-informs via the media. Seriously, how many times in the last 5 years has Cashman said one thing and then done the opposite? Why act so surprised??

    ——

    “The Yankees won 92% of the time when leading going into the 8th inning last year. Realistically how much can Soriano increase that?”

    First, Soriano replaces Woody.. now we have our EIG but also a second closer, and no need to go back to back days with Mo, unless he wants to.

  36. TheStraw January 13th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    If I read Kepner’s comment right, he gets 13.5 the third year. Did I not read that right?

  37. West Coast Yankee Fan January 13th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    This move has all sorts of ancillary benefits.

    1. Best setup man in baseball.

    2. Takes pressure of starters to go deep into games.

    3. Takes pressure off Joba and Robertson.

    …and to me this is a big one. Be able to use Soriano to close games after Mo has pitched two days in a row. I am sure we will see Soriano in the ninth inning at times.

  38. yankeefeminista January 13th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Take that Boston, the Evil Empire is back! ;)

  39. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    blake January 13th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    “Cashman is adamant that Joba will not start again.”

    He was also adamant that they weren’t losing their #1 pick….
    +++++++++++++
    Some of you folks just aren’t picking up the sarcasm…would it help if I add a smiley face?

  40. hardwired7 January 13th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Who did they give up to get Soriano?

    ————————-

    Ben Franklin

    (350,000 Ben Franklins, to be precise.)

  41. G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Brilliant move by Cashman. The market collapsed on this guy and we spent pocket change to get him. He cost less than Igawa.

    The bullpen is not the best in baseball. Name one that is better.

    This is what we had in 96 with Wettleland and Mo setting up. The game will be over in 6 and the other team will know what is staring them down. The offense also knows that no deficit is too large since the pen will keep them in the game.

    Great move. Great signing. Cost us nothing but a draft pick.

    Love it.

  42. blake January 13th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Maybe Pettite looks at that bullpen now and thinks….hey I might could win a few games with that pen backing me up.

  43. West Coast Yankee Fan January 13th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Good things happen when Cashman lies! lol

  44. SAS January 13th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Now we can all start worrying what will happen when Soriano and Mo retire or leave at the same time.

  45. D-Man January 13th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Great move for Cash.

    No more Joba/Robertson walking the leadoff batter on 4 pitches or putting the first 2 guys on and having to warm up MO in the 8th

  46. G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Meant to say the bullpen is NOW the best in baseball. Not “not”.

  47. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    BJK January 13th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
    Opt out clause is interesting.

    If Soriano leaves after 1 year, we’ll get a first rounder from whoever signs him and it will most likely be higher than a #31.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    They’ll get no worse that a top 30 pick and a supplemental pick in the 30s or low 40s. Not a bad swap, since NYY could only hope for a top 20 pitcher anyway. They still have the 44th pick in the upcoming draft. They also have some of the best trading chips available…young, talented pitchers and young, talented catchers. They are closer to the top now and will be in higher demand.

  48. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    This is insurance in case Mariano ever decides to act his age.

  49. TheStraw January 13th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    11.5 year one
    10.5 year two
    13.5 year three.

    No?

  50. blake January 13th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Bojo, yes a smiley face would help to gauge the tone ;)

  51. tyanksfan36 January 13th, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    I don’t think it matters what Cashman and the Yankee Front Office do, some people will be happy and some won’t be. If he stays as effective as he was last season ill be happy. Would be happy with Andy too but I guess we still have to wait on that one.

  52. D-Man January 13th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Straw,

    Yes.

  53. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    As much as I would have liked to see Wood, return, like everyone else and him in particular, there’s no guarantee that he stays healthy or, that he can repeat the final 2 months of 2010.

  54. BD (Boston Dave) January 13th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    I’m not going to pretend like I hate this move…

    but it seems like they paid a big price. $35M and a 1st rounder?

    That’s a hefty sum.

    It will bother me…. until April when the Yanks put the best 1-2 bullpen punch in baseball on the field.

    It’s clearly a move only a team like the Yankees could make. Perhaps Rauch would have been a better alternative?

    Still, I don’t think anyone here will be unhappy if Soriano duplicates what he did last year for the next 3.

  55. G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Yankees should go sign Balfour too now that they already surrendered the pick.

  56. ConcernedCitizen January 13th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    Wow…

  57. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    last year is 13. But he would be closing if he gets to year 3. But the AAV is not 14.

  58. BD (Boston Dave) January 13th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    “The market collapsed on this guy and we spent pocket change to get him. ”

    —————

    pocket change?

    that is bigtime closer money PLUS a 1st rd pick.

    I’m happy the Yankees got the guy, but make no mistake about it, they paid top dollar plus a pick.

  59. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    the best thing here is that Cashman lied about the draft pick, so pettitte being gone doesn’t seem like a lock anymore.

  60. G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Why would Rauch be a better signing? To keep a pick that could get injured or flame out in the minors?

    This is a masterstroke move. Our offense and and our pen are the best in the AL.

    Now it’s time to add some depth to the rotation.

  61. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    Blake–will do :-)

  62. blake January 13th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    “Yankees should go sign Balfour too now that they already surrendered the pick.”

    They could…..then Joba would really be available to move back to the rotation or to be traded in a deal for a starter should Pettite retire.

  63. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    more than the 8th inning, i like that this allows for him to come in if the game is on the line in the middle innings. trust him in a pinch more than joba?

  64. D-Man January 13th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    Get Nova out after 5.

    Joba for 6th
    Robertson for 7th
    Soriano for 8th
    MO for 9th

    Mix in Feliciano/Logan somewhere in there for the tough lefty.

    Good night.

  65. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    Oh wait…that last post wasn’t sarcastic!

  66. West Coast Yankee Fan January 13th, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    Cashman can deny he didn’t feel the pressure from fans in New York. I don’t believe it for a second.

  67. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    :-)

  68. YsGuy January 13th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    yes, while we all marvel at mo, it is going to end at some point and its hard to say when. eckersley is one guy you can look at. eck had 30 saves at age 41, 36 at age 42 and then lost the closers job the next year, recorded one save in 50 apperances and then hung em up. i dont see mo sticking around long enough to lose the closer’s role. so basically although he’s been amazingly healthy, mo could be just one injury from the end. or he can go another 2-3 years as he is. theres no telling but past age 40 it can go extremly quickly. but its mo…

  69. Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    didn’t you say last year before soriano went to the rays last winter that he wasn’t that good or not worth it?


    No but I did say this:
    “We wouldn’t even trade Gardner and Miranda for Soriano. He is making way too much money, no team is going to trade anything of real value for Rafael Soriano. ”

    Then he was traded for Jesse Chavez, making me look like a GENIUS!

  70. DocTodd January 13th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    Y—–E———s!!!!!?

  71. Against All Odds January 13th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    # G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Yankees should go sign Balfour too now that they already surrendered the pick.

    ————————–

    That would be sick

  72. G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    35 million dollars is pocket change. If he gets hurt or flames out the Yankees can absorb that money and still stay competitive. It’s not like giving Lee 140 million and his back goes out.

    The money is small potatoes to the Yankees for what he gives them in the pen. The Yankees have 2 of the 3 best closers in the AL (excluding Soria).

    Not making this move at this money would be silly. It’s about next year. Every move can’t be about 5-6 years from now. If you do that, you turn into a losing team always chasing potential and projections.

  73. TheStraw January 13th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    Never said it was the AAV. The point I’m trying to make is that no team will offer him close to 14 million. The Yanks will come close, but only if he fulfills the entire contract. It also provides flexibility for him to either get a longer term contract if or when Mo retires, but makes it easier to recoils draft picks should he decide to fly the coop.

  74. Purenyyankee January 13th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    A GREAT belated Christmas present.

  75. BX33 January 13th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    “Cashman can deny he didn’t feel the pressure from fans in New York. I don’t believe it for a second.”

    The “saber-rattlers” got the best of him lol

    About time.

  76. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    blake January 13th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Maybe Pettite looks at that bullpen now and thinks….hey I might could win a few games with that pen backing me up.
    ++++++++++++
    GREAT POINT! AP was apparently leaning towards coming back when it looked like Lee would sign…this could sway him.

  77. Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    The market collapsed so much that Soriano got the biggest reliever contract on the market. Sigh.

  78. YsGuy January 13th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    i say no way the yankees move joba back to the rotation. unfortunatly in ny it would just create another circus. if you are going to use joba to fill in the SP depth, i believe you do that by trading joba in a deal that brings back a starter. the other team can do what they want with him, or you just leave joba in the bp. i just dont see the yankees reopening that can of worms.

  79. West Coast Yankee Fan January 13th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Exactly BX33. We all know Cashman doesn’t tell the truth. lol

  80. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    i agree.. and they could probably get balfour at a decent price too.

    then they can definitely try to get joba back into starter shape, even send him down and have him work on it in the minors.

  81. BX33 January 13th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Heyman was right again

  82. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Blake/CB

    Do you think that Pettitte’s delay in committing to another year might be because that groin pull was a lot deeper than announced. When it first happened, it was maybe 2 weeks and 3 on the safe side, then 4-6 weeks, and he still wasn’t quite right when he returned, and at that, weakened his back muscles. Keeping him out of the cold weather until mid-late May might not be the worse thing. That’s 7-10 starts.

  83. michaelpr January 13th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    I think this is a great move. And the strategy around receiving draft picks back if Soriano opts out makes sense. Let’s face it. Playoff games are won the in the 7th, 8th and 9th innings. Not many teams are going to want to face Soriano and Rivera.

  84. blake January 13th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Bojo,

    I do think Andy must be thinking that if he’s going to put his body through another season and leave his family then he wants to have a really good chance at a title…..this move helps.

  85. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Against All Odds January 13th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    # G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Yankees should go sign Balfour too now that they already surrendered the pick.

    ————————–

    That would be sick
    ++++++++++++++++
    Totally agree but Cashman is adamant about not losing the second round pick.

    Here it comes …
    :-)

  86. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    blake January 13th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
    +++++++++++
    Totally agree…great call!

  87. jacksquat January 13th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    Wow, did not expect it. And wow, expensive!

    NICE bullpen though. :)

    So 11.5 and 10 to be a EIG and Mo insurance for two years, and 13.5 the last year to close (if he stays and Mo retires).

    Now the starter situation doesn’t seem quite as bad.

  88. West Coast Yankee Fan January 13th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    Joba is not going back to the rotation, not going to happen IMO. Should not happen.

    Mariano
    Soriano
    Robertson
    Joba
    Logan
    Feliciano
    Mitre

    Don’t touch that pen! Cashman needs to find two more starters if Pettitte isn’t coming back and I have to believe he will somehow, I hope so. This Soriano move makes it less important they be front-line guys.

  89. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    If they add another bullpenner, I’d prefer Rauch over Balfour. Not because of the picks, but, because I think Rauch is better. Still, it’s a deep pen right now, whether it’s Rauch, Mitre or Chamberlain.

  90. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    one the soriano feelings wear off, we can get back to the rotation discussion and Andruw Jones.

  91. blake January 13th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    GB7,

    I do. There have been reports that he’s not sure about his health and if he can make it through a full season. If he were going to do a short season or whatever then it would be nice if that was arranged now instead of him coming up later and saying he wants to pitch. That way they can plan his preparation and they know what they are dealing with…if they knew he was coming back say at the end of May or early June then they can play things accordingly.

  92. tyanksfan36 January 13th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    I think 3/35 is better than 6 and whatever Lee was going to get. Neither of them are a sure thing. But Soriano will cost less. I don’t knoow why people say its too much, the Yankees are known for overpaying apparently they haven’t changed their philosophy.

  93. yclept January 13th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    I don’t like this move…I hardly ever like big contracts for relievers.

    If Soriano implodes, he’s obviously not going to opt out of the deal…so they better hope he stays healthy and effective. Definitely not a given for a vast majority of relief pitchers.

  94. YsGuy January 13th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    as for what cashman says vs. what he does, im fine with however he works it. if he thinks lying straight up about his intentions moves things in the yankees direction, im all for it. just like i feel with girardi and injuries. if its to your advantage to throw up a smokescreen, then do it as long as you arent breaking the rules.

  95. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    i agree.. and they could probably get balfour at a decent price too.

    then they can definitely try to get joba back into starter shape, even send him down and have him work on it in the minors.
    +++++++++
    No…not really. He’d have to pass thru waivers to go to minors…but I suppose they could do extended ST if they claim injury.

  96. austinmac January 13th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    It is Cashman’s job to put the best team he can on the field. Soriano is the best way to do that now, they have the money and they are not practically limited financially by this move. I like it.

  97. 4time January 13th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    “Heyman was right again”

    Heyman has always been solid, when he isin’t giving his opinion. Rosenthal, OTOH, is one of the most useless sources of information you can find.

    Olney is the one who has really gotten owned this winter. Made fun of the “mystery team” for Lee and said we are not interested at all in Soriano.

  98. UpState January 13th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan January 13th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
    The best thing Joba can do for this team now is become a dependable two innings lights out middle relief pitcher.

    ==================

    Thank you !
    I hope he sees this as a great opportunity to ‘try and stick with us’

  99. Against All Odds January 13th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    # BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Against All Odds January 13th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    # G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Yankees should go sign Balfour too now that they already surrendered the pick.

    ————————–

    That would be sick
    ++++++++++++++++
    Totally agree but Cashman is adamant about not losing the second round pick.

    Here it comes …
    :-)
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    Lol I like the move because it helps the pen but there are ppl upset about the terms and losing the pick

  100. Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    Tampa has 9 picks now before the 2nd round, in the deepest draft in recent memory. Aghhhhh!

  101. blake January 13th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    “Olney is the one who has really gotten owned this winter. Made fun of the “mystery team” for Lee and said we are not interested at all in Soriano.”

    yea he has. When it comes to Boras clients, Heyman really does have the inside track for the most part…..

  102. jacksquat January 13th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    Eh, I got the money a little wrong, but what’s a mil here or there…

  103. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    I love the idea of Balfour or Rauch–either one–and then definitely moving Joba to rotation…

    As I mentioned a few days ago, if signing Soriano allws Yanks to return Joba ot rotation and he prospers, then that alone was worth the $35M…Teams are paying that in posting fees to have a chance to sign Japanese pitchers with equal or less talent than Joba has. So consider the money a posting fee if Joba works out.

  104. Against All Odds January 13th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    Somewhere Francesa is weeping sipping a diet coke.

  105. jackamir January 13th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    $$$$ and a Draft pick, I’ll take it. Shortening the game with our bullpen will keep the starters fresh. Six inning starters other than CC is appealing when you look at this rotation. I think this will work.

  106. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    While many would LIKE Joba to get another chance to start, I would also be thrilled if he gets back to a dominant 6-7 inning guy. Another year in the pen, and maybe his fastball gets back toward 100.

  107. Ralow January 13th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    # G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Yankees should go sign Balfour too now that they already surrendered the pick.

    —————————————–

    I agree…we wouldn’t even need starters. Our bullpen would come in in the 5th like the all-star game. LOL.

  108. Carlo January 13th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    I wonder if the guy that “got the biggest reliever contract” is also the best reliever on the market this offseason…….if true……that kinda makes total sense.

  109. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    I agree…we wouldn’t even need starters. Our bullpen would come in in the 5th like the all-star game. LOL.

    _____

    Saves on a 5th starter haha.

  110. Erica in NY January 13th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Love this move-

    The draft is all a crapshoot anyway

    And best of all… it still leaves the Johnny Damon window open :-)

  111. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Maybe Cashman is putting down the moves now. a Starter, 4th fielder next?

  112. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    Does it make much difference about the picks Tampa’s getting? They were going to get them anyway. Nothing changed.

  113. G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    Tampa is a cut rate organization that can barely afford to pay their players. As soon as they get expensive they are gone.

    They’ll use those picks but by the time they make it to majors guys like Price and Longoria will be long gone.

    Price hits free agency in 2013. They won’t resign him.

    Longoria signed the dumbest extension of all time though. He only makes 2 million next year and they have him with club options till 2017, although once the big money options come into play they will probably deal him.

  114. jacksquat January 13th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
    Does it make much difference about the picks Tampa’s getting? They were going to get them anyway. Nothing changed.

    At least this way it’s at the bottom of the first round. Only way it could have been worse for the Rays is if a team signed him that had already lost their first round pick.

  115. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    I guess we”ll hear about a Jones signing tomorrow

  116. YsGuy January 13th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    i wont say im not concerned at all about the draft pick, especially since we lost it to tampa, but sometimes you have to give to get and there arent alot of options available.

  117. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Then sign Bruce Chen as stop gap until Andy returns, and Cashman will have won the off-season.

  118. tyanksfan36 January 13th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    GreenBeret7 says:

    January 13, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    Does it make much difference about the picks Tampa’s getting? They were going to get them anyway. Nothing changed.

    —–

    People seem to forget that, eventually someone was going to pick him and they would probably have a higher pick than 31.

    In other news GB. I joined the Tampa Yankees Booster Club to get to know the players better. Hopefully a good $25 investment.

  119. JoeyA January 13th, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    A good move to shorten games, since our rotation won’t compete for top 5 in baseball.

    Never understood how the same organization who was willing to trade a AAA CF for a 29 yr old AS CF wouldn’t give up the 31st pick in the draft for an AS closer.

  120. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    In the next three years, the Devil Rays will be looking to move Longoria and or Price because they can’t or won’t pay them. They’re looking an awful lot like the Marlins.

  121. YsGuy January 13th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    chen’s last 45 appearances his era is about 7.0. igawa could to that.

  122. Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Does it make much difference about the picks Tampa’s getting? They were going to get them anyway. Nothing changed.

    Well yea, something has changed. In one scenario the Yankees still have a pick, in the other they don’t. David Price is a free agent in 2016, dunno where you got your information.

  123. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    TY, congrats on your membership. Do you get good deals on tickets and other little goodies? I’m looking forward to seeing what the Tampa and Charleston kids do this year. I’ll get a lot of games with Gary Sanchaz.

  124. JoeyA January 13th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    Unless the Rays figure something out financially, their organization will be a roller coaster of 3-5 good years followed by stocking draft picks the next 3-5 bad years.

    That is, if their scouting continues to have a premium eye for talent.

    Well it also helps when guys like Longo signs those contracts. How did the players union let him do that?

  125. Fran the original January 13th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    I think this is a great move. The Yanks now have a solid bridge to Mariano.

    It cost a draft pick but you never know if a draft pick will work out.

  126. DocTodd January 13th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    Well,now I have something to look forward to on the next Yankee Hot Stove..LOL

  127. CB January 13th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    “Do you think that Pettitte’s delay in committing to another year might be because that groin pull was a lot deeper than announced. When it first happened, it was maybe 2 weeks and 3 on the safe side, then 4-6 weeks, and he still wasn’t quite right when he returned, and at that, weakened his back muscles. ”

    GB7-

    Groin injuries are just so fickle and difficult to predict. I remember when it happened I thought Andy’s reaction was completely unrealistic. He’s never had anything like this and I appreciated how much he wanted to get back on the mound and help the team.

    But he was the one who was saying I’m going to be back out there in 2-3 weeks rather than 4+. Andy’s had arm problems before but I don’t recall him having too many problems with his legs.

    Just look at how long Curtis Granderson was out with his groin injury. He’s younger and much more athletic than Andy. It was really wishful thinking on Andy’s part.

    I do wonder if Andy, by pushing his own expectations for recovery up, may have been setting goals that just couldn’t be realistically met given his age. In turn, I do wonder if the injury may have seemed more serious to him than it actually was.

    Not recovering in 2-3 weeks from a groin isn’t a failure. But Andy did seem to get very frustrated by it. It’s just the nature of the injury.

  128. Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Well it also helps when guys like Longo signs those contracts. How did the players union let him do that?

    He played 1 professional game, I’m sure the player’s union was jumping up and down that their member was going to get 46 mil before hitting a major league HR. It was the biggest hedge on Longoria’s future talent as you will ever see by both the Rays and Longoria himself.

    The most expensive his contract gets is 11.5 million, I think he will end up on that team until he is a free agent ala Carl Crawford.

  129. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Oh, no. you mean when I said about 3 years I was exaggerating?

  130. tyanksfan36 January 13th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    GB

    I get a shirt that says Booster Club, we also put on dinners once a month for the players that we can attend. They said season tickets for boosters are cheaper but they didn’t know how much. I thought it was a good thing to join since I normally go to the games alone ill have people to sit with.

  131. G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    Forget the draft pick. The Yankees can just outbid everyone on the best International free agents to make up for the loss of the pick/talent.

    This was a great move. The only thing it affects is the bullpen. In a good way.

  132. Joey Ramone January 13th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    On paper, the bullpen looks NASTY…

  133. Fran the original January 13th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    Well,now I have something to look forward to on the next Yankee Hot Stove..LOL
    *****************
    DocTodd,

    Besides the interview with Robbie in the DR.

  134. Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    Oh, no. you mean when I said about 3 years I was exaggerating?


    Actually it was G. Love that specifically said 2013, but they aren’t going to move Price in the next 3 years unless he turns into Matt Garza

  135. CB January 13th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Also, at the money the Yankees are paying Soriano, the value of the move really depends on what they do with Joba.

    If they now move Joba to the rotation this move makes a lot of sense.

    If they leave Joba in the pen, this is a very expensive move. It’s a move they can afford. But it’s very expensive unless you can either leverage soriano to indirectly fill one of the rotations spots.

  136. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Thanks, CB and Blake. You’re right in that he may have delayed his recovery by pushing himself too hard and too fast.

    They’ll never confuse him with Carl Pavano or Damaso Marte.

  137. jacksquat January 13th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    Jerkface, I agree with a lot of your opinions, but losing this first round pick is not really that big a deal. The Yankees can easily make up for it by throwing their money around in the international market. By the 31st pick, all of the true top prospects are gone anyway, even in a deeper draft.

  138. randy l. January 13th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    “It seems clear now that the corollary move would be to move Joba back to the rotation if Pettite doesn’t come back.”

    CB-

    if that happened, all of a sudden, things are looking better, much better.

    cashman put so much into getting young guys into the rotation. if he had hughes, joba, and nova in it and they were doing a decent job his whole youth plan would have been realized for the time being.

    i have no idea why he wouldn’t roll the dice on that wth joba.i just dont see the downside.

  139. blake January 13th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    CB,

    Do you move Joba to the rotation now?

  140. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    tyanksfan36 January 13th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
    GB

    I get a shirt that says Booster Club, we also put on dinners once a month for the players that we can attend. They said season tickets for boosters are cheaper but they didn’t know how much. I thought it was a good thing to join since I normally go to the games alone ill have people to sit with.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I can see it now. Tampa headlines read: TYanksfan36 busted for selling autographs and infringing on the rights of Steiner Sports Memorabilia. Just let us know where to send a cake with a file in it.

    Sounds like you’ll have a blast. You can be the first to say: “I knew them when….”.

  141. jacksquat January 13th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    It really seems Cashman has made his final decision that Joba is a reliever.

    Then again, Cashman does lie…

  142. Yankee Trader January 13th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    Question: If Soriano opts out after year one, wouldn’t he in essence be declining arbitration and if signing elsewhere, the Yankees would not get a 1st round pick as mentioned earlier?

    Soriano would also be competing for closer status next season with Bell, Broxton and Franklin, plus Rodriguez and Lidge if their options aren’t picked up.

  143. PittsburghYankeeFan January 13th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    Yankees aren’t done yet.

    Why are they so interested in Duscherer? Not as a starter. He’s the Mitre replacement. Mark Prior? Same thing, if he’s got anything left as we will soon see.

    Joba’s going to start, or he’s going somewhere in a trade for a starter. It’s put up or shut up time for the Big 62. Like golf, this is all in his head. Repeat his delivery, listen to the catcher. You can win in the show with a fastball at 96, a slider that repeatably breaks for you the right way, and a change you can locate. We’ll know the answer to this one shortly as well.

    Montero, Joba, and Nunez for a top of the line young starter? Who?

  144. CB January 13th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    This signing also makes the loss of Cliff Lee more expensive.

    Lee may not have wanted to play in NY at any price. But given that they were willing to pay Soriano 35M, it seems reasonable to argue that the yankees should have offered Lee 170M and gotten the player they really needed and wanted.

  145. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    fine with joba either way. 1 dominant inning in the pen would make a shut down 7-8-9. In the pen, Joba can keep his arm speed and 98 mph fastball, and hopefully rothschild gets his slider working again, maybe a change too.

  146. blake January 13th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    Buster_ESPN

    Interesting that Rafael Soriano got no no-trade protection in his contract whatsoever-but not a lot of teams would take on RP at that price 24 minutes ago via web

  147. Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Jerkface, I agree with a lot of your opinions, but losing this first round pick is not really that big a deal. The Yankees can easily make up for it by throwing their money around in the international market. By the 31st pick, all of the true top prospects are gone anyway, even in a deeper draft.

    If they really wanted to make up for it by throwing their weight around the international market we’d have grabbed a ton more international guys but we don’t. They don’t really take advantage of the draft or the IFA market like they should. The Yankees should be out spending everyone in the draft and IFA and other teams consistently spend the same or more.

    It annoys me that not only would they pay Soriano market price, but also give up the pick.

    In the end, I won’t complain when Soriano jogs out of the pen, and I’ll be happy overall with the move if it means Joba to the rotation.

  148. CB January 13th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    Blake-

    I would move Joba to the rotation. And I think the Yankees will. Either that or they use Joba or Robertson in a trade for a starter.

    At this point, I don’t believe what they are saying right now about Joba. It just makes much too much sense to not move him to the rotation.

    It’s almost inevitable.

    If they move Joba to the rotation with Soriano in the pen – I’m confident that they will make the playoffs.

  149. tyanksfan36 January 13th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    GB

    Hahaha, just send the cake to the Orient road jail, its right down the street from the stadium. I prefer carrot with cream cheese icing :) too bad I didn’t join last season but there are some guys coming up who will be just as good. They told said we can ask for autographs at the dinners too. I’m looking forward to it.

  150. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    I’s sorry, but, just because Cashman and Girardi don’t spill their guts on what they’re doing or on inhuries doesn’t mean they’re lying. As the old saying went. “Does Macy tell Gimbel what he’s doing?”

  151. pat January 13th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    IF there is any thought to putting Joba in the rotation, no need to announce anything now and have to hear everyones “expert” opinion for the next 2 months.

    The only one who would need to be told is Joba.

  152. Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Question: If Soriano opts out after year one, wouldn’t he in essence be declining arbitration and if signing elsewhere, the Yankees would not get a 1st round pick as mentioned earlier?

    No, he becomes a free agent and the Yankees can offer him arbitration just like normal.

  153. rodg12 January 13th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    I’m a big fan of this move. Opens up the option of moving Joba back to the rotation. Strengthens the bullpen immensely. Great work, Cashman.

  154. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    YsGuy January 13th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    chen’s last 45 appearances his era is about 7.0. igawa could to that.
    +++++++++++++++
    You are wrong to look at it that way. Last year he was 12-7 with a 4.17 ERA. Look at his game logs.

  155. blake January 13th, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    CB,

    I agree, If Pettite retires and with Soriano now in the fold Joba is a waste in the bullpen…..either give him another try in the rotation or move him to try and get another starter. What if Pettite returns though? Do you let Joba compete with Nova for the 5th spot, trade him, or leave him in the pen?

  156. MG January 13th, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    I love how Cashman is a bum until he signs Soriano and then he’s responding to Yankees fans clammering for moves like this. Yeah, right, I’m sure Brian stays up until the wee hours of the morning every night reading the comments but LoHud posters names ‘CashmanNeedstoGo’ and the rest of the ‘Cashman Sucks’ crowd.

    Those of you who constantly criticize the Yankees for players moves don’t even know enough to know how little you know.

    As for me, I’d do something with Joba to make him back into a starting pitcher, even if it means putting him back at Tampa to start the season and rework himself. He isn’t going to be that much use for the Yankees in the bullpen so why waste a spot.

  157. West Coast Yankee Fan January 13th, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    The usual over analysis on this move is not warranted IMO. Draft pick, money, so what. This organization can fade both very easily. We had a huge hole, we filled it and helped the team greatly and still have $20 million to spend.

  158. PittsburghYankeeFan January 13th, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    CB

    Cliff Lee wasn’t going anywhere but the Phillies, it appears. $170 wouldn’t have done it.

    I’m thinking the A’s may have a pitching piece and a desire for Montero, with Joba as the replacement for the traded piece?

  159. West Coast Yankee Fan January 13th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    “As for me, I’d do something with Joba to make him back into a starting pitcher, even if it means putting him back at Tampa to start the season and rework himself. He isn’t going to be that much use for the Yankees in the bullpen so why waste a spot”.

    **********

    And this shows how little you know.

  160. 86w183 January 13th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Draft picks are really overrated. To create the best bullpen in baseball and do so for osme cash and # 31 in the next draft is an easy decision as far as I’m concerned.

    I’m all for giving Joba another shot in the rotation, which would open up a job in the pen for perhaps a Romulo Sanchez or even Brackman.

    Doesn’t this get Pettite a bit more excited about one last go-’round?

  161. Ace January 13th, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    Great move. Get over the draft pick. The baseball draft isn’t the NFL. U can get first rd talent in the 10th rd if u pay over slot.

    Soriano makes the pen great this yr

  162. jacksquat January 13th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
    I’s sorry, but, just because Cashman and Girardi don’t spill their guts on what they’re doing or on inhuries doesn’t mean they’re lying. As the old saying went. “Does Macy tell Gimbel what he’s doing?”

    “I am not giving up a number one pick for a relief pitcher, unless he is dirt cheap” (paraphrased)

    That’s lying, lol. “Not spilling your guts” is simply not saying anything.

    I’m not criticizing Cashman when I say that he lies, he has to. And it’s funny.

  163. Yankee Trader January 13th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    I’m going to bet that Pettitte comes back on a prorated contract in June when his kids are away at camp for the summer! :)

  164. Ace January 13th, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    Face it. They screwed up 2 yrs ago
    not trading Joba. But hey he helped win a title so I’m over it

  165. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    mlbtraderumors Have to hand it to Boras…Yankees’ deal with Rafael Soriano is probably only multiyear if he has a serious injury.

    ___

    I agree. Realized his market was weak now. Might as well try it again in 2012.

  166. I Like Inge January 13th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Nice 8th/9th inning combo in the bullpen. Love the move.

  167. MG January 13th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan January 13th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
    “As for me, I’d do something with Joba to make him back into a starting pitcher, even if it means putting him back at Tampa to start the season and rework himself. He isn’t going to be that much use for the Yankees in the bullpen so why waste a spot”.

    **********

    And this shows how little you know.
    ——————————————————-
    I know enough to know you troll multiple message boards with a variety of screen names and have conversations in public with yourself, jackass.

  168. YsGuy January 13th, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    ive been saying that for weeks trader. i just dont think he’s got 7 month’s worth of pitches in his arm anymore. a june comeback makes alot of sense.

  169. 86w183 January 13th, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    I think Pettite for a pro-rated deal is an interesting possibility. He could do just about everything he needs to do in March and April and begin throwing minor league games in May to be ready for June and 2/3 of a season.

    Let Joba and Nova handle No. 4 and No. 5… about 8 starts each and then choose the better one when Pettite returns.

    That’s of course unless they make a move for Fausto Carmona or some other affordable starter

  170. lounge lizard January 13th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    I don’t like the spending priorities but now that it’s done I’ll look for the positives. Has good numbers against all the Red Sox except Ortiz. Has destroyed AGone: 0 for 6 with 4 SOs. Small samples, I know, but, as I say, I’m looking.

    This is Cashman’s m.o. (see Damaso Marte) so has nothing to do with responding to fans. Just have to hope that Soriano spends a lot more time on the mound and a lot less time on the DL than Marte.

  171. jacksquat January 13th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Although to be fair, Cashman may not have lied, he may have just changed his mind, or someone changed it for him.

  172. J. Alfred Prufrock January 13th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    “Does Macy tell Gimbel what he’s doing?”

    ///
    I guess you never saw Miracle on 34th St.

  173. Against All Odds January 13th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    # CB January 13th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    Blake-

    I would move Joba to the rotation. And I think the Yankees will. Either that or they use Joba or Robertson in a trade for a starter.

    At this point, I don’t believe what they are saying right now about Joba. It just makes much too much sense to not move him to the rotation.

    It’s almost inevitable.

    If they move Joba to the rotation with Soriano in the pen – I’m confident that they will make the playoffs.
    —————————————

    then all they need is andy back and all is right with the world :)

  174. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    I would assume that before ST or shortly there after, Pettitte will let Cashman know his plans. I seriously doubt that he’s been a couch potato since October. He was hooked on the exercize. I’d think that except for his vacation, he’s been doing some throwing. It must just annoy the whiners that he actually had the gall to take a family vacation. He said in his commercial and in other statements that he was always pudgy and had to work to keep it off.

  175. Yankee Trader January 13th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Even if the plan is to ready Joba as a starter, the Yankees will probably still sign a FA starter from the “catch lightning in a bottle” group of starters.

  176. YsGuy January 13th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    i think joba still brings you back value in a trade. dont want to see the saga of another joba move and i dont think he reacted well to the last 2 moves anyway. joba plus a non-montero prospect probably gets back a SP.

  177. CompassRosy January 13th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Haven’t been keeping up here lately (currently have football on the mind ;-)

    But, had to check in when I noticed twitter blowing up (with yet another ex-M going to the Yanks ;-) )

    I still haven’t gotten over Bavasi trading Raffy for Horacio Ramirez.

  178. Against All Odds January 13th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    # jacksquat January 13th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Although to be fair, Cashman may not have lied, he may have just changed his mind, or someone changed it for him.

    ————————————

    according to Onley there was a split in the organization when it came to signing Soriano.

  179. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    I am especially optimistic knowing that Marte and Aceves (rumored to want to come back) could be back by August, and this pen will be even deeper. During September, there will be quality and quantity for the stretch drive.

    Also interesting–if Joba does get returned to rotation and does well, Cashman will look like a genius for transitioning the team from over-aged starters to young power arms while still winning a WS. With Hughes, Joba, Nova, Betances, Brackman, Noesi, Banuelos, etc, they will have the best stable of young power arms in baseball, and we may even see Alan Horne and (hope hope) Christian Garcia rejoin the organization.

    The only thing Cashman could do for an encore (besides another WS) would be if Gerrit Cole did threaten to go back to school and fell to the Yankee pick…

  180. rodg12 January 13th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    I hope this leads to Andruw Jones on the Yankees as well in a sort-of package deal with Boras.

  181. Ace January 13th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    And who cares if TB has 9 picks in top 80. They can’t afford over slot on all of them. So relax

  182. Yankee Trader January 13th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    I still haven’t gotten over Bavasi trading Raffy for Horacio Ramirez.
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    Now there’s a lefty that might be worth a minor league spot.Only 31 and injury prone. What major injury knocked him out of baseball?? LOL!!

  183. Against All Odds January 13th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    “As for the impact on the rest of the roster, I just talked to a Yankees source who said there has been no internal discussion about signing a reliever so that Joba Chamberlain is free to move back to the rotation. Unless something changes, the plan is still to keep Chamberlain in the bullpen.”

    ————————————————-

    More lies *shrugs shoulders*

    But seriously I find it hard to believe it wasn’t discussed. If fans and media bring it up you mean to tell me ppl in the org. haven’t talked about it c’mon now

  184. 86w183 January 13th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Which “lightning in a bottle” do you like best?

    Young may have the most upside, Chen is probably the best right now. Garcia has the best resume and Francis like Chen is a lefty.

    IF Pettite doesn’t play I agree at least eon of the above should be signed, but which one?

    I lean towards Garcia… another year removed from injury he might be better than last year and the guy knows how to pitch. Chen # 2 in my view

  185. CB January 13th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    “What if Pettite returns though? Do you let Joba compete with Nova for the 5th spot, trade him, or leave him in the pen?”

    I would still give Joba a shot in the rotation with Nova as the 6th starter.

    That would give them a very deep rotation and a very deep pen.

    Nova still has some things that he needs to work on and that development could be done in the minors. It’s not a “waste” to have him in the minors.

    Soriano + Robertson + Joba is a misallocation of resources to the pen. Just too heavy at the back given needs in the rotation.

    If signing Soriano allows them to turn Joba back into a successful starter, the money they’ve paid Soriano and the lost pick will have been more than made up for.

  186. jacksquat January 13th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    rodg12 January 13th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
    I hope this leads to Andruw Jones on the Yankees as well in a sort-of package deal with Boras.

    Ha, I doubt Boras gives volume discounts.

  187. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Putting Chamberlain back at Scranton isn’t that difficult. Leave him in Tampa on the Extended ST to let him stretch out and then send him to Scranton on Rehab. They have 30 days to recall him.

    “The timing of the activation and option might have seemed a bit unusual, even for fans who pay attention to baseball’s procedural rules. Generally, Minor League rehab assignments for Major League pitchers can last up to 30 days (as opposed to 20 days for position players), pursuant to Rule 9(f) of the Major League Rules. The player is taken care of by the Rules, in that he continues to draw his Major League salary and accrue Major League service time while playing on the farm. So is the team, as the assignment doesn’t require an option. And both benefit from the standpoint that the player is able to face live competition as he makes his way back to the bigs.”

  188. blake January 13th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    CB,

    I like it

  189. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    i agree about garcia, but also want ducscherer too because when he is healthy he is amazing.

  190. MG January 13th, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    “What if Pettite returns though? Do you let Joba compete with Nova for the 5th spot, trade him, or leave him in the pen?”

    I would still give Joba a shot in the rotation with Nova as the 6th starter.

    That would give them a very deep rotation and a very deep pen.

    Nova still has some things that he needs to work on and that development could be done in the minors. It’s not a “waste” to have him in the minors.

    Soriano + Robertson + Joba is a misallocation of resources to the pen. Just too heavy at the back given needs in the rotation.

    If signing Soriano allows them to turn Joba back into a successful starter, the money they’ve paid Soriano and the lost pick will have been more than made up for.
    ================================
    CB, do you realize comments like this make you, according to that well known and respected baseball expert WCYF alias ‘many others’, a baseball know nothing? :)

  191. Yankee Trader January 13th, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Does anyone have any recent photos of Joba, in a bathing suit, while on vacation? Is Joba even in shape to start??

  192. jacksquat January 13th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    I don’t think Rivera + Soriano + Joba + Robertson is an overloaded pen, but if they want to give Joba another shot at starting, I wouldn’t be opposed. I do lean towards thinking he is best suited to be a reliever, but I’m not going to say he could not be successful as a starter.

  193. CB January 13th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Duchscherer would be a particularly good signing now, especially if they move Joba to the rotation.

    He’d fit into the pen and could be a swing man/ insurance policy. If he gets hurt they have the capacity to absorb the loss.

    He’s a good pitcher when he was healthy. Unclear if he still has it but he was talented and is the kind of guy they can take a risk on.

  194. jacksquat January 13th, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    And this this gives us “Soriano” to “Mariano”, neat sounding.

  195. blake January 13th, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    If Pettite returns then the Yankees are better than they were last year. They will have a better bullpen, a catcher that can throw, and a rotation that’s likely equal to or better than 2010 depending on what AJ did and what they got out of the 5th spot (keep in mind that beating what AJ and Javy did last year wouldn’t be that difficult)…..all this and Montero in waiting.

  196. Jacques Strappe January 13th, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    I like this a lot.

    Soriano will be the best set up man going. Easily.

    He can close if Mariano is getting too much work.

    He can close if Mariano’s arm expires or if he retires.

    He can alternate games with Joba in the 8th.

    He can pitch the 8th in a game right after Joba pitches the 7th. If all 3 of those relievers (Jo-So-Mo) are on their game that could be the best 3-armed, 3-inning bullpen beast ever. Sure, it might be better to have Philly’s starting rotation … but as far as bullpens go ours could be the best.

    Him being here takes his own arm out of the bullpen of one of the Yanks closest rivals (the Rays) so the Yanks never have to face him at the end of an important game within the division.

    Him being here makes the bullpen more of an incentive for Pettitte to pull a Clemens and join the rotation after the season starts.

    Him being here gives the bullpen more guns and more stamina in case Good AJ doesn’t show up again and the only good startes turn out to be CC & Hughes. Back in the wearly ’00 years when there was Mike Missina leading the rotation and Kevin Brown was breaking his own hand, how many times did Torre have little else to go before Mo besides a worn-out Scott Proctor? If the rotation is short (like it is) you just HAVE to have a deep bullpen. If Good AJ shows up more often than bad AJ and he & Nova can go a decent 5 or 6 most of the time, the 3-armed beast can be more dominant.

    Him being here allows the Yanks to at least re-think Joba in the pen if the rotation is gakking after numbas 1 & 2, even though Joba’s proven himself to be more aggressive out of the pen. I’m hoping the quirks of last year go away (at least to a good extent) and the Joba who came up from the minors a few years ago comes out of the pen spitting fire and humiliating hitters. If Joba is really a permanent bullpen guy, he might be stoked to be part of what could be a real serious bullpen.

    Him being here also allows Cash to use Joba as mid-season trade bait for a starter if he channels Kyle (great arm but not reliable) Farnsworth through May & June.

    The player option allows him to opt out and renegotiate should Mariano get hurt or retire. A bit of a risk by Cashman & Co, but it gets him here and if he likes it here he’ll want to stay.

  197. Yankee Trader January 13th, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    86w183-

    Garcia is probably the best option but it would need to be a one year contract with incentives, much like Capuano signed.

  198. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    They also have Logan and Feliciano. If Chamberlain/Mitre starts, they’ll need one more arm. Looks fairly heavy to me.

  199. CB January 13th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    “If Pettite returns then the Yankees are better than they were last year. ”

    I think there’s a very good argument there. The team wouldn’t look as good as it did going into 2010 when Vazquez was coming off that huge season in Atlanta. But it would look better than it did at the end of 2010.

    Also, the team would have quality rotation depth because some of the kids in the minors who were a year away are now close to being able to contribute at the major league level – Nova, Noesi and Phelps in particular.

    I’m also still hopeful they can bring Ace back and he can stay healthy.

  200. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Yankee Trader January 13th, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Does anyone have any recent photos of Joba, in a bathing suit, while on vacation?
    +++++++++++++
    Who would really admit it if they did?

    :-)

  201. MG January 13th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    It’s funny, all after the complaining about the Yankees lack of moves this winter, one phone call from Andy to Cashman would change everything. Somehow I think that he will be back. Last spring he barely pitched in live games and was lights out, he could easily decide on February 1st (or later) to make this his last year and be ready in April.

  202. joeman January 13th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    # Yankee Trader January 13th, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Does anyone have any recent photos of Joba, in a bathing suit, while on vacation? Is Joba even in shape to start??
    ————————————————————
    I did see a photo of joba with pants and a shirt on I think it was taken around the holidays, his face did look thinner, he was in decent shape at the start of last season but put on weight as the season went on

  203. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    I also wouldn’t object to putting DJ Mitchell into the final bullpen spot. Solid groundball pitcher. It breaks him into the Majors and he’s built up the innings.

  204. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    “Don’t you know? It’s So to Mo and away we go!”

  205. blake January 13th, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    “I’m also still hopeful they can bring Ace back and he can stay healthy.”

    That would be huge assuming that he’s close to the same guy he was in 2009. I should have said they COULD be better than they were last year.

  206. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    CB January 13th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Duchscherer would be a particularly good signing now, especially if they move Joba to the rotation.
    +++++++++++++
    The Duke definitely knows how to pitch. Doesn’t have the greatest stuff, but knows what to do with it.

  207. Jacques Strappe January 13th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Let’s say CC & Hughes give us a couple good games where they each go 7, 8 or even 9 ninings. Good AJ shows up for the next game but he switches uniforms with Bad AJ in the middle of the 4th inning. At least Girardi will have Robertson-Joba-Soriano-Mariano to END the damage from the 5th or 6th on, and allow the team to fight their way back into it.

  208. pat January 13th, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    Did anyone see the Hot STove Show on YES earlier tonight?

    Was supposed to re-play at 10:30 and 11:00 and instead they are showing Yankees Magazine. Did someone say no way Soriano was coming so they are not re-airing it?

  209. Against All Odds January 13th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    The guys on Hot Stove doing back flips right now because a signing took place. Now they have something to talk about.

  210. Jacques Strappe January 13th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    I could imagine Pettitte realizing he may not have enough stamina to last the whole season anymore, and (like Clemens) already having it in his mind to start the season late & play a shorter but more effective season … or two … before really finishing off is career.

  211. CB January 13th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    MG-

    How are you? Nice to see you posting tonight.

    It’s been a trying off season. Lots of sourness. Not just unhappy or disappointment. Flat out sourness about the lack of big name signings.

  212. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    AndrewMarchand RT @chrisoc: @AndrewMarchand Silly contract; seems like Cashman was overruled. … Good pt., does seem that way.
    ___

    Didn’t he write an entire article about going to get Soriano less than a week ago?

  213. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    What in the world are the Doggies thinking out there in LA? They’ve just released Pat Borders, their young stud catching prospect. He’s only 49 years old. Boston needs to grab him and update their catching staff.

  214. joeman January 13th, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    Fuego? by Pitbull

  215. SAS January 13th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    CB,

    When I saw the new about Soriano, I was wondering what your thoughts would be, and low and behold you show up. There are few people on here whose opinions I respect like yours, and you haven’t been around much so I had no idea if you thought this was a good or bad move. Thanks for your opinion.

  216. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    i am still convinced that as long as soriano stays healthy, he will opt out after year 1.

  217. BD (Boston Dave) January 13th, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    “Soriano will be the best set up man going. Easily.”

    ————–

    I hope Bard fizzles, of course, but he may have something to say about the “Easily” part of your statement.

  218. Jacques Strappe January 13th, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    I’d consider Duchscherer a worthwhile risk if he’s signed to 1-2 year low base pay contract with performance incentives, and with increased base pay in a team option year or two. Absolute max 3 years though, guaranteed & option years combined. If he re-establishes himself convincingly enough then of course you look into some kind of extension.

  219. Betsy January 13th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    I don’t love giving up the pick and it’s a lot of $$, BUT: the Yankees are not the Rays, where they can just sort of say “ok, we’ll try to win, but if we don’t, no big deal”. As to the $$, well – there is no starter that they could spend the $$$ on, no starter worth that kind of $$ anyway. They are going for a lock down pen and I can’t blame them. I see elsewhere that fans are freaking outa about giving Tampa a pick – I just don’t think the Yankees can worry about that (though granted they have 10 picks in this draft – ouch)

    I still don’t think Joba is going back to the rotation, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think this was the right move.

  220. BD (Boston Dave) January 13th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    Duchscherer had no problem bad mouthing the Yankees back during the Dallas Braden incident.

    That may mean nothing if the $$ falls in his lap, but it’s possible he’d rather pitch for another team.

  221. Betsy January 13th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    That said, this will prove to be an awful move if Soriano opts out, esp. after year 1. Giving up a draft pick for a 1 year of a pitcher?

    Now the Yankees don’t have a first rounder in a very deep draft – the price of not getting Lee (but I’m fine with them not having thrown more $$$ at him; he simply did not want to be here at all) and having a lousy rotation.

  222. Jacques Strappe January 13th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    I think Bard has a little Farnsworth in him. Not a lot … a little. Great arm but he can beat himself or be beaten. Just not to the degree of Farnsowrth.

    I also think Pap Smear is no longer going to be as good as to his best years. So even if Bard does well in the 8th … so what?

  223. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    yankees OWN the back of the sox pen. (Paps, Bard and Okajima). Don’t really know about how they face Jenks.

  224. Rich in NJ January 13th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Heyman has more credibility than Cashman. Who knew?

  225. 4time January 13th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    AndrewMarchand RT @chrisoc: @AndrewMarchand Silly contract; seems like Cashman was overruled. … Good pt., does seem that way.
    ___

    Didn’t he write an entire article about going to get Soriano less than a week ago?

    ============================

    Someone else said the first part

    Marchand responded with “good pt. does seem that (Cash was overruled)”

  226. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    Betsy January 13th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
    That said, this will prove to be an awful move if Soriano opts out, esp. after year 1. Giving up a draft pick for a 1 year of a pitcher?

    Now the Yankees don’t have a first rounder in a very deep draft – the price of not getting Lee (but I’m fine with them not having thrown more $$$ at him; he simply did not want to be here at all) and having a lousy rotation.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    If he opts out and he turns down arbitration, the Yankees get two draft picks.

  227. Betsy January 13th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    Rich, are you upset that Cashman “lied”?

  228. heyman_sux January 13th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    I’ve never hated the Joba to da pen movement, but don’t you have to give Joba a shot at starting now? Otherwise what kind of value do you get out of him as a 6/7th inning guy…it’s not even worth the bump in arb pay he’ll get.

    Unless the plan is to trade him….what do I know? This offseason is just confusing.

    That being said, welcome to NY, Soriano. I hope to God you’re not Marte 2.0

  229. Bronx Jeers January 13th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    That said, this will prove to be an awful move if Soriano opts out, esp. after year 1. Giving up a draft pick for a 1 year of a pitcher?

    ———————————————————————————————————————–

    But if he opts out and signs elsewhere they’ll most likely get a 1st round pick back. And more than likely it will be better than the 31st pick.

  230. Betsy January 13th, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    GB, what I’ve read (hopefully it’s not true) is that the owners are pushing for no draft pick compensation in a new collective bargaining agreement……..If things stay the same, then it’s ok. If the owners get their way, then………well, not so much.

    I’m really suprised how much hatred of this move there is on various boards.

  231. heyman_sux January 13th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    But if he opts out and signs elsewhere they’ll most likely get a 1st round pick back. And more than likely it will be better than the 31st pick.
    _________

    I have no problem with the opt out. In addition to the picks refernced above, who’s going to pay him more next offseason in a market flooded with closers?

  232. Betsy January 13th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    Bronx, I hope that will still be the case………..I didn’t want to give up the pick, but I can’t freak out about a kid who may or may not develop. The Yankees always pick at the back of the pack……….and this is the price they (and fans who want to keep every pick) have to pay if they want their team to be competitive year after year.

  233. Jerzz January 13th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    “Heyman has more credibility than Cashman. Who knew?”

    Will be interesting to see how Cash spins this considering he said there was “no one on the market” he would surrender for a 1st round pick, just last week.

    And it’s not like he can say he came cheaply either… he got a boatload of $$$.

    And there is no guarantee we can recoup picks either. It has to be best case scenario for us to do so.

  234. Patrick January 13th, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    It’s exciting to get Soriano because it will be a real pleasure to watch him and Mo close out games. And frankly, it’s nice to see the Yankees do SOMETHING. But I’m also a bit disappointed; giving up a 1st rounder in this upcoming draft is a pretty big blow, especially when the pick is going to a rival team that already has a zillion picks in this draft. However, if this move has the effect of putting Joba in the rotation, I love it. If not, I am pretty lukewarm on the whole idea. At this point though, it makes so much sense to put Joba back in the rotation, I don’t see how the Yankees could ignore it. I don’t see how Girardi could in good faith keep Joba as a middle reliever / mop-up man when he would be so damn valuable in the rotation over Mitre or Nova.

  235. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    I suspect Rays will have to sign Rauch and Fuentes now….leaving Balfour without a home. (Rays want to get that pick too.) Would love to see Balfour signed for 2 years/$5M per.

    Pen would be
    Mariano
    Soriano
    Balfour
    Robertson
    Logan
    Feliciano
    Mitre

    and rotation would be
    CC
    Hughes
    AJ
    Joba
    Nova

    with Joba and Nova vying for final spot if and when Andy comes back.

  236. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    Bronx Jeers January 13th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    That said, this will prove to be an awful move if Soriano opts out, esp. after year 1. Giving up a draft pick for a 1 year of a pitcher?

    ———————————————————————————————————————–

    But if he opts out and signs elsewhere they’ll most likely get a 1st round pick back. And more than likely it will be better than the 31st pick.
    +++++++++++++++
    If he opts out, they get 2 picks…a #1 and a supplemental…pretty good deal in addition to what he gives them during season

  237. heyman_sux January 13th, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    I don’t see how Girardi could in good faith keep Joba as a middle reliever / mop-up man when he would be so damn valuable in the rotation over Mitre or Nova.
    _____

    Agreed. Joba at this point has to have more value as a starter. Mitre was solid as the long man last season (tho some refuse to believe it). He’s the Aceves replacement

  238. Rich in NJ January 13th, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    Betsy

    Not upset, just perplexed. Cash has become Tommy Flanagan.

  239. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    If they ever get the no compensation rule passed, the owners will be cutting their own throats. That’s one of the few things that helps keep the Yankees from going after every FA on the market. The bottom feeding teams and teams like Tampa and Florida will fight it. They’ll have to pay more to their own players or get nothing in return. It takes a 3/4ths majority of the owners and the players to agree on it. The union may like it, but getting 21 owners to agree won’t happen.

  240. Patrick January 13th, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    Rich,

    Yeah it is kind of odd. We’ve seen Cashman twist the truth in the past but he pretty definitively said he wouldn’t sign Soriano. Weird..

  241. jacksquat January 13th, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    It’s becoming apparent that Cashman was likely overruled.

    But of course this is nothing like the Arod overruling.

  242. BoJo January 13th, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) January 13th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    Duchscherer had no problem bad mouthing the Yankees back during the Dallas Braden incident.

    That may mean nothing if the $$ falls in his lap, but it’s possible he’d rather pitch for another team.
    ++++++++++++
    I expect him to resign with A’s IMO.

  243. Betsy January 13th, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    Rich, not sure who Tommy Flanagan is, lol.

    Cash’s previous comment doesn’t bother me, although I guess I do wonder why he was so vehement about it if he was working on this all along. I can see how this would make him look sketchy to some (though not to me).

  244. Against All Odds January 13th, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    Patrick January 13th, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    At this point though, it makes so much sense to put Joba back in the rotation, I don’t see how the Yankees could ignore it. I don’t see how Girardi could in good faith keep Joba as a middle reliever / mop-up man when he would be so damn valuable in the rotation over Mitre or Nova.

    ————————

    Yea he should at least get a shot to start with ST 30 something days away. Unless they really see him as a middle reliever.

  245. Betsy January 13th, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    Hal overruling Cash? I don’t see it………………….and I don’t think Hank is involved at all.

  246. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    Jesus….people whined because Cashman didn’t sign anyone (because they know for sure that he was trying to save dimes), now, they’re whining because he strengthed the bullpen to make it potentially the best in baseball.

  247. Betsy January 13th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    GB, that’s a good point………….

    Well, as to this draft, the Yankees will just have to draft wisely in the later rounds.

    I wish they weren’t in this position in the first place, but their SP is always in a state of flux, amazingly.

  248. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    Who cares whether Cashman “lied” to the media or not. Are they going to give him “The Nice Guy And Most Honest Man In Baseball Award” for telling them everything that he’s doing?

  249. jacksquat January 13th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    Betsy January 13th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
    Hal overruling Cash? I don’t see it………………….and I don’t think Hank is involved at all.

    It’s not exactly against Steinbrenner tradition to be involved in the baseball decisions…

  250. Rich in NJ January 13th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    Actually, the owners making this move is the only thing that explains Cashmans’ flipflop.

    It’s not a bad move on the merits. It’s just strange how it went down.

  251. Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    now, they’re whining because he strengthed the bullpen to make it potentially the best in baseball.

    While I don’t think anyone is whining, you’re confusing two groups of people. The group who wanted Cashman to sign Soriano, who are now happy, and the group who didn’t want Cashman to sign Soriano who are now displeased.

    This seems to happen a lot on this blog. People confusing the opposed sides before and after things happen.

    I forgot that the CBA will be up in 2011, at this point I hope they modify draft pick compensation so that you still gain something but maybe its all just supplemental picks. Because it would be stupid to pay 10 mil for Soriano, lose a draft pick, and then gain nothing when he opts out.

    Of course, that assumes Cashman would even offer arbitration, which is always hit or miss.

  252. CB January 13th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    SAS,

    Thanks. Glad to see you here as well. What are your thoughts on the deal?

    Hope you are having a nice winter.

  253. Tar January 13th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    Why stop now.

    Trade for Soria!

  254. ac1 January 13th, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    hal overruled a trade for mike cameron a couple years ago… he IS involved.

  255. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    NYY’s got the 42nd or 44th pick. They weren’t going to get any of the 20 top pitchers anyway.

  256. blake January 13th, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    I think One thing they do need to change (if they keep the current system) is how they determine Type A’s and Type B’s. Middle relievers like Balfour get screwed every offseason because they get the type A label and nobody wants to sign them and lose the 1st rounder.

  257. Betsy January 13th, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    A reservation I have is this: how useful will Soriano be if the rotation isn’t very good? I have confidence in CC and that’s it. Even if I concede (which I won’t at this point) Phil, it’s still a lousy rotation. If the rotation doesn’t improve, this team isn’t going to go anywhere.

  258. Betsy January 13th, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    Jack, Hal is not George……..

  259. Rich in NJ January 13th, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    Put Joba in the rotation, sign Damon or Manny, and let’s play ball.

  260. Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    1. He’s really not an upgrade over David Robertson and the imprisoned Joba Chamberlain. Soriano’s career xFIP is a modest 3.68. Compare that to the younger Robertson’s 3.55 and Chamberlain’s 3.77 (which includes 221 innings as a starter).

    2. This one is a biggie: Soriano is an extreme flyball pitcher. He carries a career flyball rate of 50% and groundball rate of only 31%. This matters because he’s not that good versus left-handed hitters. That’s not a positive combination for Yankee Stadium.

    The proof can be seen in his 2010 splits. Despite his sparkling 1.73 ERA for the season, his xFIP versus LHB was a beefy 4.42. His career xFIP versus lefties is 4.13. According to Stat Corner, Yankee Stadium increases lefty HRs by 24%. If used properly, he’d basically be a ROOGY. Is that worth 3 years, $30 million?

    3. He has a lengthy history of elbow injuries, having Tommy John surgery in 2004 and ulnar nerve surgery in 2008.

    4. The first round draft pick. Should we really give up a 1st rounder for a reliever? Really?

    5. Since he’d no longer be a closer, he’d lose some of the higher leverage innings, further dampening his value for the Yankees.

    From NoMaas. The stuff vs lefties is most trouble some.

  261. Betsy January 13th, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    AC, Hal is involved, not Hank……..Hal nixed Cameron because of budget. I don’t think he’d overrule his GM on something as big as this……they are usually both on the same page. If he did overrule Cash, then I think that’s sort of disturbing…..but that’s a big IF

  262. jacksquat January 13th, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    Betsy January 13th, 2011 at 11:48 pm
    Jack, Hal is not George……..

    I know Hal is not George. The apple may not have fallen right next to the tree, but it probably didn’t fall on the other side of the continent either.

  263. G. Love January 13th, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    When Joba and Robertsen produce a WHIP like Soriano does out of the pen then we can talk about him being redundant.

    He doesn’t give up the walks that those 2 relievers and he doesn’t give up the hits they do either.

    This is not counting 2007 Joba, mind you.

  264. lounge lizard January 13th, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    Hal overruling on Cameron makes sense because he didn’t want to spend the money. Hal overruling to insist that Cashman spend big bucks on a reliever I don’t buy. Makes more sense that Cashman was trying to send a public message to Boras to work out a sign and trade. When it didn’t happen, Cashman gave in and went for what he wanted.

    The credit or blame, as events turn out, will be properly his.

  265. Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    He doesn’t give up the walks that those 2 relievers and he doesn’t give up the hits they do either.

    Joba doesn’t really walk batters and Soriano’s walk rate triples vs left handed hitters.

  266. Jerkface January 13th, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    He is an extreme flyball pitcher, so they had better hope he can keep it in the park in NYS. I hope he returns to being a 10-11 k/9 type pitcher he was, that would help mitigate.

  267. Rich in NJ January 14th, 2011 at 12:02 am

    I don’t believe that Joba’s 2010 season can be explained by bad luck on balls in play. I think it’s about not being able to consistently repeat his mechanics.

    The more I think about it, I suspect that what happened is that the owners reviewed the Yankees’ chances for 2011.

    They didn’t like what they heard, so they told Cash to make the move that would help the team without sacrificing major prospects.

    I actually think that would have been Pavano, but maybe he doesn’t want to prove people in NY wrong.

    This is total POOMA, but it’s the only thing that makes sense given what we know.

  268. yanks 27 January 14th, 2011 at 12:03 am

    PeteAbe
    Dropping $35M on a reliever and giving up a pick sounds like like a Tampa deal than a Cashman deal. Crazy Hank back in business?

  269. NumberOnePositivePosterEver January 14th, 2011 at 12:03 am

    Betsy, you continue to make great points. It’s really amazing to see your brain in action during these times of clear confusion in Yankee land. It’s puzzling to even people like me of average intelligence how Cash-mo’ni can make this move, but then you drop knowledge with an angle that no one in Yankeeland has thought of: “how useful will Soriano be if the rotation isn’t very good?”

    Like, YEAH!?!? TRUE DAT! Or what if there’s a rain-out and we don’t even get to Soriano. See, people just aren’t as evolved as you and I, Betsy. Keep up the good work, and just cause I’m silent doesn’t mean I don’t read your posts and think, Sarah Palin ain’t got nut’hin on Betsy.

  270. Bronx Jeers January 14th, 2011 at 12:05 am

    “For 65-70 non-closer innings, $11.5 million is a ton of money no matter how you look at it. Plus they’re giving up their first round pick. High price. David Robertson could give you 85 percent of what Soriano would do at 10 percent of the cost.”

    1. Guess who wrote this.
    2. Is he right?

  271. CB January 14th, 2011 at 12:05 am

    It’s not really possible to fully evaluate this signing until we see how they finish out the rotation.

    The team is still incomplete.

    It’s a very expensive move for a reliever and one that carries real risks. But if it leads to corollary moves that allow them to bolster the rotation it could turn out to be a very shrewd, though unconventional move.

  272. LGY January 14th, 2011 at 12:07 am

    Yikes. Just seeing the news now.

    Soriano didn’t seem to have much of a market, is 31 years old, doesn’t really have a long track record of success, and has a lengthy injury history, yet they paid him top shelf closer money.

    To be honest I think Yankee fans are going to be disappointed with what Soriano gives the Yankees next year. I have said all offseason I don’t think he is a good fit for YS and I don’t think he is nearly as good as he showed last year.

    I am happy the team is stronger than it was yesterday, but I don’t think this was a particularly smart move.

    However, a collarly move like Joba to the rotation would significantly change my view on this.

    I also don’t think Soriano is opting out at any point. The only possibility I see him opting out is if they get rid of compensation picks and therefore Boras thinks there will be more of a market for him without the pick attached to him, but we will have to wait and see how the CBA shakes out.He is getting paid top dollar. This is a very good contract for him. He is here for three years for better or worse.

  273. NumberOnePositivePosterEver January 14th, 2011 at 12:08 am

    Betsy, isn’t it funny how Jerkface can just past material from another site and it’s considered a post. Doesn’t Jerkface understand that takes away from the precious bandwidth you need to scour the internet for information none of us have even thought of reading. Seriously, people need to know that you are a pipeline of information and you need the infrastructure uninterrupted. Please everyone, let Betsy surf!

  274. MG January 14th, 2011 at 12:08 am

    CB, it’s always a pleasure to read your remarks. I don’t pay much attention to off season speculation, just too much wasted intellectual energy for me. I’d rather wait until the season starts and watch the team on the field. Besides, the Knicks are relevant again after 10 years of being absolutely pathetic, it’s fun watching them when I can.

  275. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 12:09 am

    Rich, Cashman already considered Pavano again a couple of years ago, but decided against it because of the fan base and clubhouse reaction. I know he’s a very good pitcher, but I do not think it would have been wise to revisit that again.

  276. UnKnown January 14th, 2011 at 12:10 am

    West Coast Yankee – you previously posted some of soriano’s numbers can you re-post those again, please? thanks.

    I love the move, the draft pick is low first round and I loved 1996 combo of Mo to Wetteland.

  277. UnKnown January 14th, 2011 at 12:11 am

    Of course Pete Abe would be dissing the move. He is probably still doing backflips over Fat Jenks. What a dope.

  278. Bronx Jeers January 14th, 2011 at 12:13 am

    I’m not seeing the “let’s put Joba back in the rotation” move from the Yank hierarchy. They don’t even see him as a potential 8th inning guy and now they’re going to give him 30 starts?

    Maybe it’s right there in front of me but I really don’t see it.

  279. NumberOnePositivePosterEver January 14th, 2011 at 12:14 am

    Exactly, Rich, just what Betsy said and thankfully she said it because I don’t know if any Yankee fan really knows who Carl Pavano really is. He’s a really good pitcher, Betsy has it right. He’s so good that he pitched great before the Yankees and after the Yankees, not a lot of guys can say that. If only you were so wise Rich.

  280. G. Love January 14th, 2011 at 12:17 am

    I do think if there is any thought of Joba going back into the rotation in Yankee land, they will not reveal a word of it to the public/press. It will be done stealth mode and it will be up to Rothschild to determine if he thinks he can work Joba back into a viable starter. Obviously, once pitchers and catchers report the cat will be out of the bag, but again the Yankees can play it down saying they see Joba as a multi-inning reliever to explain why he’s going more than an inning while they still evaluate his progress/potential as a starter.

    There’s a way to do it that isn’t handing Joba a spot and makes him work for it if he’s at all an internal option.

  281. Joe from Long Island January 14th, 2011 at 12:21 am

    Wow.

    I’ve been travelling all day (now in San Diego), and just saw this.

    I have to think this is not move made in isolation, but part of a plan.

    Oh, and we should take what Cash says out loud particularly seriously. As the saying goes, things change.

  282. SAS January 14th, 2011 at 12:21 am

    CB,

    If you are still there, I think Cashman had to make a positive move. As many have said on here, having a great bullpen will put less stress on the starters. Hopefully they cemented the bullpen with this move. It is a lot of money for an EIG, but I have to think that Mo may need relief on occasion and Soriano has proved that he can close.

    If Pettitte is returning, even if it is later rather than in April, then the Yanks don’t need another starter. However, if he really plans to retire, sadly for me, then I still think they need another starter rather than 2 rookies.

  283. Joe from Long Island January 14th, 2011 at 12:22 am

    I meant, we should NOT take what Cash says particularly seriously.

  284. NumberOnePositivePosterEver January 14th, 2011 at 12:23 am

    Betsy, if Cash really thought of bringing back Pavano a 2nd time, then he would probably think of bringing back Javy for a 3rd. I think you hit the nail on the head, we really have an astute G.M, and with someone like you understanding all these moves, then I feel that much better off that we have the right man for the job. Thanks for making me understand all this better. Happy New Year!!!!! I almost forgot, shame on me. Sowwy!

  285. SAS January 14th, 2011 at 12:24 am

    In general, I don’t think Cashman has to “tell the truth” about who he is considering just to have other teams try to up the ante on the Yankees. “Walk quietly and carry a big stick.”

  286. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 12:24 am

    A thought: The Yankees will move Joba to the rotation, but are going to wait until after they settle arbitration so Joba can’t use that information to squeeze them for extra money

  287. G. Love January 14th, 2011 at 12:26 am

    Pete Abe has to sell this to Red Sox fans as the Yankees making a collosal mistake and over spending and all that usual rhetoric.

    Fact is, this deal is no worse than the Jenks deal and the Crawford deal in terms of guaranteed money and length of contract.

    Jenks could be a total washout of 12 million. He’s a pub crawl away from pitching himself out of the league.

    Crawford’s deal, while good in the immediate, will turn out to be an albatross.

    We get out of Soriano in 3 years or sooner if Boras decides to test the market and opt out.

    It’s not a forever deal and the money, while high, doesn’t stop the Yankees from doing anything they want. Posada, Marte, Igawa all fall off the books next year. Andy, if he comes back, is just for this year so his money doesn’t play into next year.

    If Russel Martin is good for us this year we can keep him and go to arb with him or sign him long term.

    Whether it was Cashman (who I believe it was) or Hal, this is a good move. We signed the best available player who didn’t cost us anything but money (pick means nothing to me when we can sign the best International talent) and we made our pen into the best in baseball.

    This offense and this pen are going to be good.

    Although I wonder what this means for Prior. He was a long shot to begin with, but there is no room for him in the pen unless someone gets dealt or made into a starter. I wonder if Robertsen or Joba get dealt?

  288. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 12:28 am

    So after many months of insisting that Joba is a reliever because his stuff plays better there (which is a dumb reason; every pitcher’s stuff plays better in the pen), the Yankees are going to change their mind just because they signed Soriano? I don’t see it.

  289. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 12:29 am

    So after many months of insisting that Joba is a reliever because his stuff plays better there (which is a dumb reason; every pitcher’s stuff plays better in the pen), the Yankees are going to change their mind just because they signed Soriano? I don’t see it.

    There were months of “joba is a starter”, “bubba crosby is our CF”, “no draft pick for relievers”, etc.

    You can’t really take what Cashman says at face value.

  290. UnKnown January 14th, 2011 at 12:30 am

    Great Post G. Love. All great points.

  291. LGY January 14th, 2011 at 12:34 am

    If they were going to surrender a first round pick for a reliever I would have rather had Scott Downs.

    Especially since he came in much cheaper and I think he is a better pitcher anyway.

  292. Against All Odds January 14th, 2011 at 12:34 am

    # Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 12:28 am

    So after many months of insisting that Joba is a reliever because his stuff plays better there (which is a dumb reason; every pitcher’s stuff plays better in the pen), the Yankees are going to change their mind just because they signed Soriano? I don’t see it.

    ————————————————-

    By signing Soriano it basically means Joba just became another arm in the pen. This move says sorry kid we don’t trust you pitching the 8th inning. If he doesn’t start or isn’t trade than what is he.

  293. NumberOnePositivePosterEver January 14th, 2011 at 12:35 am

    Betsy, another excellent point, I just don’t see the Yankees trusting Joba’s junk to deliver the stuff.

  294. Bronx Jeers January 14th, 2011 at 12:35 am

    He’s a pub crawl away from pitching himself out of the league.

    ——————————————————————————-

    Aren’t we all ? :wink:

  295. jackamir January 14th, 2011 at 12:35 am

    Joba will be moved in a trade…..Book it!!!!!!

  296. G. Love January 14th, 2011 at 12:38 am

    Jeers,

    I’m a pub crawl away from getting myself into a very competitive respected beer pong league.

  297. Rich in NJ January 14th, 2011 at 12:38 am

    Trading Joba when his value is at an all-time low would be even dumber than saying you’re not going to give up a 1st round pick for Soriano and then doing just that.

  298. heyman_sux January 14th, 2011 at 12:39 am

    the Yankees are going to change their mind just because they signed Soriano?
    _______

    This is an understatement. It would work if they had “just” signed Rauch/Fuentes/etc. They are supposedly getting a lock-down reliever, a “Mo Lite”. Now if Joba isn’t the EIG, or even maybe the 7th inning guy, why is he in the pen?

  299. G. Love January 14th, 2011 at 12:42 am

    I think Jerkface is on to something. They will keep Joba a reliever through the arbitration process to keep his money low and then when he gets to spring training I think they will sell him as a multi-inning reliever who is secretly auditioning for a starting role.

  300. jackamir January 14th, 2011 at 12:42 am

    Joba, Nunez and Cervelli for Gorzelanny…..

  301. Rich in NJ January 14th, 2011 at 12:44 am

    Yeah, who wouldn’t want a 28 year old starter with a career 93 ERA+.

  302. Bronx Jeers January 14th, 2011 at 12:46 am

    I was always more of a “quarters” guy myself. I was pretty good at “Jack-ass” as well.

    Now I just play “Let’s guess what’s at the bottom of this wine bottle “

  303. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 12:46 am

    Jerkface, that’s true, but Cash has been saying this for a while. I would give Joba another shot as a starter – the upside is just too high (even if he doesn’t become an ace, he could still be a good pitcher). If it doesn’t workout, then so be it…………but the other options are not good. That said, Joba has to stop being so stubborn, he has to actually come to camp in good shape, etc….

  304. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 12:48 am

    but Cash has been saying this for a while

    He said he was a starter for 3 years.

  305. NumberOnePositivePosterEver January 14th, 2011 at 12:48 am

    G. Love, and then Rob Base parachutes from the sky and starts to get down, saying he’s not internationally known, but he’s known to rock the microphone, because he can get outrageous
    and you should stay away from him if you’re contagious.

    All those Joba rumors are definitely just as plausible.

  306. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 12:49 am

    Heyman, that’s true.

  307. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 12:50 am

    Jerkface, that’s true as well………….

  308. G. Love January 14th, 2011 at 12:50 am

    While I don’t think it’s wise to give up on Joba as a starter I’m not as optimistic as some of you are about his prospects there.

    He is stubborn. Shakes the catcher off constantly. His stuff is not as strong as a starter. His velocity drops. He doesn’t have the slider he used to.

    Maybe the Yankees give him one more shot, but I think this signing is not about PR for the team, it’s about the fact that they don’t think Joba or Robertsen can cover the 8th in the next few years. When Wood got here, they both became better pitchers in the lower leverage situations.

  309. NumberOnePositivePosterEver January 14th, 2011 at 12:51 am

    Betsy, have you thought about writing to Joba and giving him a diet plan of grains, grapes, and green leaf lettuce? I think if you sent that information to him then might finally stop being so stubborn. Just look, a few years back you said: “Joba, stop driving drunk”. And has he driven drunk again? NOPE! So give it a try, he listens to you.

  310. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 12:56 am

    He is stubborn. Shakes the catcher off constantly. His stuff is not as strong as a starter. His velocity drops. He doesn’t have the slider he used to.

    No starter has the same stuff in the pen as they do in the rotation, the only thing that matters is Joba’s stuff vs other starters. In 2009, a down year velocity wise for Joba, he was better than all but 22 other starters on fastball velocity.

    Now he is a year removed from shoulder injury. Time to let him fly again.

  311. heyman_sux January 14th, 2011 at 12:56 am

    While I don’t think it’s wise to give up on Joba as a starter I’m not as optimistic as some of you are about his prospects there.
    ______

    I’m not of the belief that Joba is ever going to be an ace – he may never replicate the magic of his ’07 call-up. However, even his inconsistent production in his season’s as a starter holds more value than he would have as a 6th or 7th inning reliever

  312. West Coast Yankee Fan January 14th, 2011 at 12:56 am

    The Joba as a starter stuff here is just amazing, on and on and on. He’s not going to start, it would be a ridiculous move that would reek of desperation and would be doomed to fail. Then what. When he sucks, again, as a starter. You are going to tell him, never mind Joba, back to the pen? I am sure his trade value will be sky high then right?

  313. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 12:57 am

    GLove, I tend to agree with you………………

  314. THE TRUTH January 14th, 2011 at 12:57 am

    I like this signing a lot, all things considered.

    My prediction? Andy Pettitte comes back in June, Yankees make a big trade in July, and then all the people (haters) saying how much Yankees suck right now will be complaining about hw high the Yankees pay roll is again.

    I saw some comments about Aceves too. I would love to see him come back healthy, I am a huge fan.

  315. LGY January 14th, 2011 at 12:58 am

    2008-2010

    Downs: 178.2 IP, 2.42 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, LHB .580 OPS, RHB .635 OPS
    Soriano: 152 IP, 2.43 ERA, 0.96 WHIP, LHB .690 OPS, RHB .434 OPS

    Downs:

    08: 7.26 K/9, 65.5 GB%
    09: 8.29 K/9, 55.7 GB%
    10: 7.04 K/9 57.8 GB%

    Soriano:

    08: 10.29 K/9, 61.3 FB%
    09: 12.13 K/9, 48.2 FB%
    10: 8.23 K/9, 51,5 FB%

    Downs: 35 years old, good injury history
    Soriano: 31 years old, scary injury history

    Downs: 3/15
    Soriano: 3/35

  316. heyman_sux January 14th, 2011 at 12:59 am

    seasons* (no apostrophe). I hate those errrors…

  317. G. Love January 14th, 2011 at 12:59 am

    Joba’s trade value is already low. The Yankees have nothing to lose by jerking him around any way they choose. They pay him. It’s their right to tell him what he is and what role he plays.

  318. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 1:01 am

    If the upside to leaving Joba in the pen is getting a servicable middle reliever, you put that guy in the rotation immediately.

  319. SAS January 14th, 2011 at 1:02 am

    LGY,

    You may be right, but you are beating a dead horse.

  320. G. Love January 14th, 2011 at 1:02 am

    LGY,

    At the time Downs signed, Cliff Lee was still in play. His offered money affected any move the Yankees could make.

  321. heyman_sux January 14th, 2011 at 1:04 am

    If the upside to leaving Joba in the pen is getting a servicable middle reliever, you put that guy in the rotation immediately
    ____

    Amen brother. And G.Love, I understand you don’t necessarily agree with Joba the Starter, but you’re spot on – his trade value can’t get any lower by letting him start.

    I hate the Joba debate as much as anyone else, but situations change. Soriano as the EIG certainly changes things. Unfortunately, the return of the Joba discussion is inevitable and probably necessary

  322. West Coast Yankee Fan January 14th, 2011 at 1:06 am

    They have the right to tell him what to do G. Love. But they are not going to start him. He is not a good starting pitcher, how short some fans memories are. You don’t need to over analyze statistics to know that, all one had to do was watch every game. He was cringe-worthy.

    Whatever the reason, shoulder injury, etc ., he cannot sustain velocity as a starter, his command is not good enough, he can’t throw a good breaking ball for strikes, he nibbles, he gets rattled, his demeanor is poor.

    In the pen he can go balls to the wall and has a shot to be an effective pitcher for short stints. That is his value to this club.

  323. West Coast Yankee Fan January 14th, 2011 at 1:08 am

    I have my issues with Cashman but the Soriano move IMO was an excellent one. Good job Cash. You have renewed my faith in you.

  324. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 1:11 am

    jackamir January 14th, 2011 at 12:42 am
    Joba, Nunez and Cervelli for Gorzelanny…..

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Are you sure that you don’t want to send Montero and Betances along to sort of even up the trade?

  325. heyman_sux January 14th, 2011 at 1:13 am

    I have my issues with Cashman but the Soriano move IMO was an excellent one. Good job Cash. You have renewed my faith in you.
    _____

    Well, it’s A move. It’s certainly an overpay for the upgrade in production. But hey, it ain’t my money.

    I’ll agree with the move if it does not restrict future signings for budget reasons

  326. G. Love January 14th, 2011 at 1:14 am

    Again, I don’t think Joba was a great starter. I know people can parse his numbers from the year he started to make him look better than he was, but for the most part he was not great in that role. The Yankees often pulled him early and he reached his pitch count early as well getting himself out of the game before it was decided.

    Unfortunately, at this point he’s not really great in any role so if the Yankees decide to give him another chance as a starter it’s fine with me.

    If they do make him a starter again, they will not announce it nor will they hand him a spot. It will be a secret and he will have to earn the chance.

    The only thing Cashman can do right now to stop speculation is go sign/trade for a starter even if it’s a reclamation project.

  327. West Coast Yankee Fan January 14th, 2011 at 1:16 am

    heyman_sux – if it does it would be an arbitrary decision by Hal. The Yankees are still about $20 million below last years payroll, and 2010 saw the team score their highest revenue ever, $450 million dollars.

  328. SAS January 14th, 2011 at 1:17 am

    GB,

    That was a great remark!!!!

  329. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 1:18 am

    The Yankees often pulled him early and he reached his pitch count early as well getting himself out of the game before it was decided.

    -

    Before he had article pitch limits placed on him he averaged 5.5 IP per game. Thats in the 6th inning each start, for a 23 year old.

  330. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 1:20 am

    he cannot sustain velocity as a starter,

    Un-true. His average velocity as a starter post injury was 92.5, which was better than most of baseball, and he touched 96-97 late into games.

  331. heyman_sux January 14th, 2011 at 1:20 am

    if it does it would be an arbitrary decision by Hal. The Yankees are still about $20 million below last years payroll, and 2010 saw the team score their highest revenue ever, $450 million dollars.
    ____

    yea, they’ve got a lot of cash to burn. I don’t expect it will stop them from signing someone in the right situation. what I mean to say is that I’m not ready to annoint this signing as a resounding success. I will agree it makes the team better though (just don’t know by how much)

  332. DaSaint007 January 14th, 2011 at 1:23 am

    Good evening all.

    Heard the news while driving home a few hours ago. Never thought it would happen due to having to give up a pick to a division rival, and never thought that Soriano could find a deal for more than $10M/year, but hey, its only money.

    Bullpen is much stronger as presently constructed. Like many here, I think another move is coming, whether it’s signning Duscherser or Francis, both of whom can either start or long relief, thereby moving either Mitre or Nova to the pen, or signing a Fuentes or Rauch and then moving Joba to the pen.

    CC, Hughes, AJ, Francis/Duscherser, Joba/Nova/Mitre
    Mariano, Soriano, Rauch/Fuentes, Robertson, Logan, Feliciano, Joba/Nova/Mitre

    Of course it’s also more likely now that Joba could get packaged in a trade for a starter.

  333. West Coast Yankee Fan January 14th, 2011 at 1:24 am

    Jerkface it is true. His velocity was not good enough. Your reliance on stats is really overdone. I saw every game he pitched, his fastball was not good enough to make up for poor command and falling behind in the count.

  334. heyman_sux January 14th, 2011 at 1:26 am

    Jerkface it is true. His velocity was not good enough. Your reliance on stats is really overdone. I saw every game he pitched, his fastball was not good enough to make up for poor command and falling behind in the count.
    _____

    Maybe people saw every game he pitched. And it was maddening watching his pitch count soar, and his struggle with command. Would it be worse than watching Mitre start every fifth game?

  335. heyman_sux January 14th, 2011 at 1:28 am

    Many people*

  336. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 1:28 am

    SAS January 14th, 2011 at 1:17 am
    GB,

    That was a great remark!!!!

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Good evening, SAS. Hope all is going well with you. Never ceases to amaze me that people submit trades that either give up nothing and want the best talent out there or want to give up three times the talent for next to nothing. Nunez is the only readily available shortstop insurance the /Yankees have if Jeter gets hurt for a long term. The Cubs neither need a back-up catcher nor a shortstop since they have Starling Castro and they have two 2nd basemen.

  337. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 1:29 am

    SAS, what’s your view on this FA signing of Soriano?

  338. pat January 14th, 2011 at 1:35 am

    Did Mariano pick his replacement?

    “According to the source, who insisted upon anonymity because he is not authorized to speak until Soriano passes his physical and the deal is official, Rivera played no small role in that.

    In fact, it appears that he played a huge role. “Mariano knows this kid very well,” the source said. “All those issues the Yankees were concerned with came up in the negotiations, but Mariano spoke to Brian Cashman and Hal Steinbrenner and convinced that he had matured and was worth getting. He told them he would look after the kid as a Yankee, bring him along so that in two years, he’ll be ready to close for them.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=6020636

  339. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 1:39 am

    Jerkface it is true. His velocity was not good enough. Your reliance on stats is really overdone. I saw every game he pitched, his fastball was not good enough to make up for poor command and falling behind in the count.

    I watched every game, and I’m sorry that watching Joba literally hurt you or whatever. Velocity from a radar gun is a stat now? I guess we can throw out scouts then. He got a better than 10% whiff rate on all 3 of his off-speed pitches. Sorry he was too tentative in his first year back from injury for you, but he is young and not fully developed. Joba chamberlain 09 would be exactly what this teams needs right now.

    And it must have really sucked watching him throw these games:

    6 IP 1 ER 88 pitches
    5.1IP 1 ER 91 pitches
    7.0IP 1 ER 88 pitches
    6 IP 3 ER 104 pitches
    6 IP 2 ER 108 pitches
    8 IP 2 ER 106 pitches
    6 IP 3 ER 100 Pitches
    6.1IP 2 ER 99 Pitches
    6.2IP 1 ER 107 pitches
    7 IP 1 ER 100 pitches
    8 IP 0 ER 101 pitches

    Yea these are all from 09. Sabathia would go 7 and 8 IP a lot less if you didn’t let him throw an extra 15-20 pitches. Joba was just fine for a young guy. Everyone would be wanting to trade for him if he were on another team.

    6 IP 3 ER 100 pitches

  340. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 1:41 am

    pat, Just think how deadly Soriano might be if Rivera teaches him his cutter.

  341. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 1:47 am

    The Great Rivera will become what Sparky Lyle was to Guidry and pass down his pitch to evey one on the staff. In turn, they will pass it on.

    The 1970s slider will morph into the 2000s cutter as the team’s signature pitch.

  342. SAS January 14th, 2011 at 1:47 am

    GB,

    I think the Yankees had to make a pitching move. I really am not an expert on these things. I don’t know every pitcher’s ability in both leagues. I hope Soriano will give Mo some peace of mind if he needs to take a day off. The bullpen looks really strong. It will be interesting to see how they resolve the 4th, 5th starter situation. I have believed for a while now and said on here that I think and hope Andy will be back after the freezing cold of NY and the Northeast in April. Nova can be the 5th starter in that case, but I’ll have to see how it all pans out.

    Unlike most on here, I don’t expect the Yankees to win the WS every year or even to get there. I have to admit I hate watching them lose though.

    I also like the fact that we haven’t traded our kids away without giving them a chance to see if they can play in the City.

  343. West Coast Yankee Fan January 14th, 2011 at 1:48 am

    Jerkface. How convenient that you left out his 1.544 WHIP and 167 hits in 157 innings and the nine games he gave up four runs or more. Anyone can cherry pick stats, you lack an instinct for the game.

  344. Rich in NJ January 14th, 2011 at 1:49 am

    “Mariano knows this kid very well,” the source said. “
    __

    31 isn’t a kid in real life. In MLB, it’s middle-age.

  345. West Coast Yankee Fan January 14th, 2011 at 1:52 am

    Soriano gives us what should be the best bullpen in the major leagues. (And imagine if Mark Prior gets it going again for $750k).

    Mariano
    Soriano
    Robertson
    Joba
    Logan
    Feliciano
    Mitre

  346. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 1:59 am

    SAS, Nova is a good pitcher and he should be able to provide 10-12 wins and a little better than a 4,50 ERA in 2011. They can piece together another 10 wins or so from Mitchell, Phelps and others as they’ve done in other years. Assuming sabathia, Hughes and Burnett average 15 wins a piece, that’s enough to add to the normal 30 wins from the bullpen. Much will depend on the offense doing their near normal seasons based on their last 3 years. I’ll take my chances on that. That would more than match what Boston and other AL East teams can do. Soriano is deadly against every team in the East.

  347. SAS January 14th, 2011 at 1:59 am

    WCYF,

    I haven’t agreed with you often of late….that being said….can you imagine how Feliciano must feel after been down right abused by the Mets the last 2 yrs. He will actually not have to pitch inning after inning.

  348. SAS January 14th, 2011 at 2:02 am

    GB,

    I loved what I saw of Nova last year. If he keeps getting better and can go at least 5 or 6 innings so much the better. The Yanks will be OK. I really think everything gets so dissected here that we forget this is a game…a big stakes game I grant you.

  349. West Coast Yankee Fan January 14th, 2011 at 2:04 am

    SAS – That’s a very good point and hopefully the reduced workload will make Feliciano even more effective. I really like that they will have two lefties to utilize, they will get tested against Boston facing Crawford, Papi and AGon. That’s why they are there and I think both are capable of getting the job done.

  350. Rich in NJ January 14th, 2011 at 2:06 am

    It’s only a good move if Joba becomes a starter.

  351. West Coast Yankee Fan January 14th, 2011 at 2:09 am

    Soriano really takes the pressure off in so many ways:

    1. It takes the pressure off of Mariano to ever go two innings and he should get all the rest he needs to stay strong throughout the season.

    2. It takes the pressure off our starters. A strong five innings wouldn’t be a bad thing.

    3. It takes the pressure Robgertson and Joba, pitching the sixth and seventh.

    4. Our hitters will be able to be even more patient knowing the pen will probably keep us in the game.

  352. SAS January 14th, 2011 at 2:11 am

    Rich,

    Let’s wait and see what happens. There may be more stuff going on that we aren’t privy to. Joba is Joba’s problem. He put himself in this position. If it has been said once here, it has been said 10 thousand times, he needs to prove he can get to Spring training in shape. He’s not such a kid anymore but he acts like one and he thinks he is king of the Little League team and unbeatable.

  353. Rich in NJ January 14th, 2011 at 2:12 am

    The pen can’t keep you in a game without the starters giving them a chance.

    If you’re starters go 5IP, any bullpen will burn out by July.

    Robertson and Joba don’t need less pressure.

  354. Rich in NJ January 14th, 2011 at 2:13 am

    I know it’s time to go to bed when I make so many typos.

    GN

  355. West Coast Yankee Fan January 14th, 2011 at 2:14 am

    I am a happy Yankee fan tonight. Cashman has embarked on the path to redemption and there is hope for 2011 once again. The best bullpen in baseball – I’ll take it!

    Good night all.

  356. West Coast Yankee Fan January 14th, 2011 at 2:16 am

    Rich, you’re right. I didn’t mean five innings every night. But if a Nova or the unknown number five starter or the gives you only five once in a while it will be a lot easier to deal with.

  357. SAS January 14th, 2011 at 2:16 am

    WCYF,

    I don’t agree that 5 innings is enough for a starter. The bullpen can be overused too. With the possible exception of Nova and the 5th starter, they have to go 6 or 7 innings.

    When I was growing up, in the Stone Age, pitchers pitched 9 innings on 3 days rest. There were a couple of guys in the pen…that was it. Now we have more men in the pen than starting.

  358. West Coast Yankee Fan January 14th, 2011 at 2:18 am

    There is less pressure pitching the sixth or seventh; Joba can go balls to the fist pumping wall. I don’t like him in the game when it’s on the line. If he falters, you yank him.

  359. West Coast Yankee Fan January 14th, 2011 at 2:19 am

    SAS yes, I didn’t mean all our starters and should have been more clear in my post.

  360. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 2:52 am

    Jerkface. How convenient that you left out his 1.544 WHIP and 167 hits in 157 innings and the nine games he gave up four runs or more. Anyone can cherry pick stats,

    By your own admission you are ignoring all the good that a 23 year old who could throw 96 mph in the 7th or 8th inning did in his first full season as a starter. He was able to throw effectively until he was put into short stints. That is on Joba, but his effectiveness prior to that and his overall ability should be considered and he should be given a rotation spot.

    Even if he were to become a high 3-mid 4 ERA starter for the rest of his career, that is more valuable than an iffy reliever.

  361. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 3:04 am

    “He had no interest in paying Soriano $15 million a year, not when it was going to cost the Yankees a prospect in June’s draft. But Cashman was feeling pressure from ownership to make a move; he agreed to take on Soriano against his wishes. This was one of the few times since 2006, when George Steinbrenner withdrew from the day-to-day operations, that Cashman had been overruled.”

    http://www.northjersey.com/spo.....eball.html

    BOOO

  362. Dionysius Thelxinoe January 14th, 2011 at 4:55 am

    “Bubba Crosby will be our starting centerfielder”

    “We have no interest in Mark Teixeira”

    “I will not give up a first round draft pick for a reliever. I was willing to do it for Cliff Lee, but not for a reliever”

    “Joba is not a starter”

  363. Patrick January 14th, 2011 at 4:59 am

    http://www.northjersey.com/spo…..eball.html

    BOOO

    That makes me ill

  364. JWALDMAN January 14th, 2011 at 6:11 am

    I think there is something that most people are overlooking:

    I have yet to dig into stats to prove this but I just wanted to get this out there.

    The Yankees were the HIGHEST SCORING TEAM IN BASEBALL LAST YEAR. A good portion of the lineup had OFF YEARS. Yes I totally understand that Pitching is paramount and wins in the postseason, but as we look at the lineup lets see how they did:

    Jeter: BA:.270 OBP:.340 SLG:.370 OPS:.710 HR:10 RBI:67 R:111 H:179
    His career totals are better and Iabsolutely believe that he will rebound his BA which is the only thing that necessarily fell last year because he had more runds scored than 09 and more RBI’s than 09. He will have a better year.

    Swisher: He had a great year for him and a #2 hitter that that has a BA:.288 HR:29 RBI:89 R:91 H163. If he continues to hit the way he has the last two years that’s all we can ask of him.

    Teixeira: Had a down year for him and started HORRIBLY, even worse than normal. BUT he is only 31 hitting his prime and still had HR:33 RBI:108 R:111 which led the league. He like Jeter will have a better year in 2011

    AROD: After two injury riddled seasons and still getting 30 100 in 09 and 30 125(2nd in MLB) in 2010 I believe will have a MONSTER year! No injuries he will come close to 40HR’s and 135RBI’s.

    Cano: What can I say about him? He’s coming into his prime and is opne of the best hitters in MLB. I believe he will improve on last years stats as he establishes himself as one of baseballs best.

    Posada: Why do I hit him 6th? He can switch hit and provides us with the L/R/L slot in the lineup. Yes he is older BUT with only 383AB’s he hit 18HR’s and 57RBI’s on 2010. I think he will approach 475AB’s in 2011 and hit 25HR’s and 75RBI’s not having to indure the riggors of Catching 5 times a week his ability to hit which has never been in question will show in 2011.

    Granderson: After a slow start for us last year Kevin Long spent some time refining his swing and the results showed all the way through the playoffs 24HR’s 67RBI’s he will improve on this in 2011.

    Martin: As the new catcher I don’t know what to expect from him. We will see if this chance pays off and he retruns to his All Star form from a few years back. If not bring up MONTERO!

    Gardner: He started out the season last year as one of the best hitters and it showed in his BA of over .300 for most fo the first half last year until he hurt his wrist and finsihed with a .277BA but he scored 97 Runs had 47RBI’s 77 Walks for a OBP of .383 LEADING THE TEAM. and oh yeah he also stole 47 bases, the same number that Carl Crawford stole in 600AB’s. Hmmm I think Gardner is 75% of Crawford at a 1/18th of the price…

    Ok I’m not going to delve into our bench as it’s somewhat not even made up for certain yet. But we led MLB in runs scored when half of our lineup had down years. I might be a supreme optimist but I think our bats will lead us this year as we obviously need help ptiching wise. Don’t be shocked to see AJ bounce back, I mean he has to, right?

  365. Mike Ri January 14th, 2011 at 6:41 am

    Good Morning !

    I like the signing . . i’m not thrilled about the contract , However .. i like the move for 2 reasons

    1- We have a legit 8th inning guy
    2- We have INSURANCE if Mo goes down , or struggles.

    Back to the money and draft pick issues , I’m not concerned at all . The Yankees have the resources ($ ) to overcome both overpriced contracts and draft picks.

  366. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 6:53 am

    Good morning.

    Cashman does the equivalent of a Pitcher pitching backwards.

    Who is next ?

    Andruw ? The Duke ? A Joba re-shuffle ?

    :)

  367. upstate kate January 14th, 2011 at 6:53 am

    good morning, and what a nice bit of news to wake up to!
    I wonder if this makes Joba or D-rob expendable. I wouldn’t want to see either of them go.

  368. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 6:56 am

    Kate-

    I believe it does.

    Lot’s of folks think it’s JC back to the rotation ?

    who knows.

  369. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 6:59 am

    Offense is strong.

    Defense is strong.

    BP is strong.

    SP needs one more piece.

  370. Roger January 14th, 2011 at 7:02 am

    If they do put Joba in the rotation.What will his innings limit be?

  371. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 7:07 am

    Roger-
    Normally it would be based on the highest limit he has pitched
    plus 40.

    In Joba’s case it might be a bit more complicated though owing to the fact that he spent last season as a reliever and his injury history.

    If Joba wants another shot he needs to get his azz over to a training
    institute NOW. I don’t think he’ll do it though.

  372. Gary January 14th, 2011 at 7:13 am

    Just heard the news on Mike & Mike. I don’t have ANY problems with the agreement including the opt out provisions. I didn’t see anything about draft choices, but I assume that the league rules are the league rules and they have to give up the daft choice and Brian’s comments were just BS. They were drafting I think #31 it’s NOT a hugh deal.

    At least today the offseason isn’t quite as miserable as it have been. Now if they can just fill in those bat and SP holes!!!

    Joba has done nothing to earn a starting position, he’s hardly a person out there that you have minimal trust in even with a hold situation and to trot him out there every 5th game. I’ll take my chances with somebody else that can at least throw strikes and doesn’t throw that home run ball.

  373. YankeesNmore January 14th, 2011 at 7:13 am

    So what happened to all the people who were saying NOT giving up the 1st pick in such a “deep draft” was the right move?

    Seems like everybody is on board now.

  374. Roger January 14th, 2011 at 7:15 am

    Hasn’t Joba always been a bit…fat?

  375. Crawdaddy January 14th, 2011 at 7:16 am

    I hate this signing with a passion. It’s a terrible deal from the Yankee perspective. One of Cashman’s worse signings.

  376. Gary January 14th, 2011 at 7:16 am

    Boy I hope we aren’t into endless Joba talk again. Just wish he was gone, let someone else try to fix his head.

  377. Gary January 14th, 2011 at 7:19 am

    YankeesNmore January 14th, 2011 at 7:13 am
    So what happened to all the people who were saying NOT giving up the 1st pick in such a “deep draft” was the right move?

    Seems like everybody is on board now.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    Wasn’t me, I always thought when the team needs help you have to positon yourselves for today as opposed to someone several years down the road. The number 31 pick isn’t really positioned to get the cream of the crop.

  378. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 7:19 am

    Roger-
    Find some pics of Joba in 2007 and compare those to the Joba you see nowadays.

    I believe you’ll see quite a difference.

    Me. I believe that Joba has trouble repeating his delivery, in part, because he is not in tip top shape.

    That’s my 2 cents.

    :)

  379. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 7:20 am

    Craw-

    Why ?

  380. YankeesNmore January 14th, 2011 at 7:21 am

    For the record, I LOVE the idea of signing Soriano and going for a dominating bullpen.

    That said, seems like the Yankees took all the risks here and got none of the security. Soriano gets the money he thought he’d get ($11 to $12 million a year) for the years most thought he’d get (three), AND he gets to opt out each year.

    So if he’s great, the Yankees get him for one season. If injury or poor performance turn it into a horrible contract, the Yankees have to pay it all.

  381. Bronx Jeers January 14th, 2011 at 7:22 am

    I just saw Leiter’s “plan” that puts Andy on the mound on June 1st. That’s all speculation but he did outline a 2 month program that a pitcher would follow to get in game shape. That was kind of interesting.

    The problem as I see it is that Clemens trial is now set for July. You can’t blame Andy for not wanting to be as accessible to the media as an MLB pitcher is during that time. Let’s hope for a postponement come late Spring.

  382. Gary January 14th, 2011 at 7:23 am

    Crawdaddy January 14th, 2011 at 7:16 am
    I hate this signing with a passion. It’s a terrible deal from the Yankee perspective. One of Cashman’s worse signings.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    Worst signings, respectfully I disagree. The skeletons in his closet are a lot worst than this guy.

    Hughes to Mo bridge was critical in getting the last WS series championship. We now have that bridge again. Also you aren’t thinking about Mo who is 40 going down with an injury. Who would you put out there then?

  383. Gary January 14th, 2011 at 7:27 am

    YankeesNmore January 14th, 2011 at 7:21 am
    For the record, I LOVE the idea of signing Soriano and going for a dominating bullpen.

    That said, seems like the Yankees took all the risks here and got none of the security. Soriano gets the money he thought he’d get ($11 to $12 million a year) for the years most thought he’d get (three), AND he gets to opt out each year.

    So if he’s great, the Yankees get him for one season. If injury or poor performance turn it into a horrible contract, the Yankees have to pay it all.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    Yanks did what they needed to do to get the guy, I’m sure that they took the glass is full route. Soriano wanted to have a way out if he wanted it, he wasn’t going to come here without it. Yanks took a chance that one year for sure may lead to many. Sometimes that’s the hand that is dealt and you have to live with it.

  384. YankeesNmore January 14th, 2011 at 7:29 am

    Btw, while I think this is an extremely one-sided deal, in Soriano’s favor, I’m not sure Cashman is to blame… At least not entirely.

    Not Cashman’s style to just flat-out lie about something, as it now appears he did regarding the Yankees’ no. 1 pick.

    That has me wondering if Cashman was the one who made this decision, or if it was a decision made FOR him.

  385. YankeesNmore January 14th, 2011 at 7:31 am

    “Hughes to Mo bridge was critical in getting the last WS series championship.”
    ————————————————–
    It was??? Hughes was AWFUL in the 2009 post season.

  386. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 7:31 am

    YNM-

    Did you see the Klapsich article ?

    It’s in threat somewhere.

    It seems to imply that Cashman was over ruled on Soriano.

  387. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 7:31 am

    edit: In the thread. Sorry.

  388. Doreen January 14th, 2011 at 7:31 am

    Good morning, morning people.

    Not that I expect anyone to believe me, but yesterday when I woke up I had the random thought that Cashman would be signing Soriano. Not that he should, or it would be nice, but that he unequivocably would.

    I didn’t necessarily think it would happen yesterday…

    :)

  389. Crawdaddy January 14th, 2011 at 7:32 am

    “Wasn’t me, I always thought when the team needs help you have to positon yourselves for today as opposed to someone several years down the road. The number 31 pick isn’t really positioned to get the cream of the crop.”

    For most drafts that might be true, but this year’s draft is considered one of the best ones in years.

  390. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 7:33 am

    Doreen-

    Good morning to you.

    Well then tell us who we’re getting next please.

    :)

  391. Doreen January 14th, 2011 at 7:33 am

    I think it’s a decent move. Gives the bullpen a lot more flexibility, because Mariano is now handled with kid gloves (and should be).

    What happens next is anyone’s guess, but this helps a lot.

  392. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 7:34 am

    Getting Soriano was the 2nd best thing the Yankees could do.

  393. Gary January 14th, 2011 at 7:41 am

    YanksnMore

    I gave Hughes credit for the other 162 games in the regular season. You have to get to the playoffs first to be able to win the playoffs. Hughes was a critical part of that.

  394. Crawdaddy January 14th, 2011 at 7:42 am

    It sounds like to me that most here are just happy the Yankees did something instead of judging the merits of this signing and whether it was a short-sighted move to begin with.

  395. blake January 14th, 2011 at 7:46 am

    This wasn’t Cashman’s decision, from the reports he was opposed to it. That said, I like it. It is a lot of money but could wind up just being a one year deal…..if he pitches well and doesn’t opt out then its worth it as well. Think of it as them just giving him Marte and Igawa’s money after this year. The Yankees financial advantage allows them to weigh the present more than a draft pick that wont help until years from now if he ever does at all.

    I think this move does open up things to move Joba, either to the rotation or out of town if a package for a starter exists. The former is more likely right now as teams don’t like dealing quality starters this time of year. If Andy retirea put Joba back in the rotation, let him start the season at Scranton and work on his delivery…..then bring him up when a 5th starter is needed.

  396. Gary January 14th, 2011 at 7:48 am

    Crawdaddy, sure I’m happy the Yanks picked up a guy with an ERA of 1.73 with 45 saves and a WHIP of .8. Sure I’m happy that we don’t have Fat Joba and Robertson out there in the 8th inning, sure I’m happy we at least have a way to continue the gtreatness of Mo after he hangs it up.

    What were unhappy with is your negative comment instead of giving us credit for understanding the trade

  397. Bronx Jeers January 14th, 2011 at 7:48 am

    Soriano’s pretty much the besy guy they could have signed for the pen. Personnel-wise it’s a slam dunk. Money-wise it’s a real jaw dropper. But then again there was literally no one left out there they could spend big money on.

  398. blake January 14th, 2011 at 7:50 am

    Crawdaddy,

    Money and draft pick aside the Yankees are better than they were yesterday, maybe significantly so if this leads to more moves to strengthening the rotation…..I think that’s the part people like. The money and draft pick hurts, but the Yankees are a better team because of this move.

  399. Doreen January 14th, 2011 at 7:52 am

    MTU -

    It was weird. I woke up yesterday and just simply had the thought.

    But I don’t do predictions. :lol:

  400. upstate kate January 14th, 2011 at 7:52 am

    put me down for happy w/ the move

  401. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 7:53 am

    Doreen-

    Maybe you’re not just good at picking cars.

    You might be a clairvoyant or a seer.

    :)

  402. Mell January 14th, 2011 at 7:54 am

    “This wasn’t Cashman’s decision, from the reports he was opposed to it.”

    I’d like to think this isn’t true, Blake. If not Cashman’s decision, then whose? And what does it mean? Are we back to factions within the organization? What happened to Cashman’s autonomy?

    Definitely OK with adding Soriano, though the deal is awfully favorable for a guy whose market appeared to be dwindling. Makes it an awfully strong bullpen which will go some distance to making up for some deficiencies in the rotation as comprised right now.

  403. Mike Ri January 14th, 2011 at 7:54 am

    Its a good move !

  404. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 7:56 am

    The risk of doing nothing was greater than the risk of doing Soriano.

    That’s my take on how the Yankee brass saw it.

  405. Doreen January 14th, 2011 at 7:56 am

    The way I had looked at it was it would be a good move since no prospects were involved, just money, which the Yankees have. They did end up paying a little less that Soriano was reportedly looking for. It stinks they give up a draft pick, but you gotta do what you gotta do. I would have understood the thinkiing if they did not go ahead with this.

    Also, I think if Soriano gets enough closing opportunities and overall has a successful year, he may not opt out after the first year. But if he does opt out, he opts out. Then they go in a different direction next season. I hope he lasts through 2 years of the contract at least.

    Gotta be flexible in your thinking. No move is perfect. Even had they gotten Cliff Lee there was a lot of risk involved with that, too, and a lot of money.

  406. Doreen January 14th, 2011 at 7:57 am

    MTU -

    Your 7:56 post kind of sums it up.

  407. Crawdaddy January 14th, 2011 at 7:57 am

    “What were unhappy with is your negative comment instead of giving us credit for understanding the trade”

    Poor Gary is unhappy, join the club as this signing has made me very unhappy.

  408. upstate kate January 14th, 2011 at 8:00 am

    Craw
    is it losing the draft pick that upsets you?

  409. blake January 14th, 2011 at 8:01 am

    Mell,

    Maybe its Cashman’s decision but its not one he would have made without pressure from ownership.

  410. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 8:01 am

    The Yankees have been making some pretty big splashes in the international signing arena.

    And when Cole falls to us at 44 over signing issues we won’t need to worry about 31.

    :)

  411. Crawdaddy January 14th, 2011 at 8:01 am

    “Money and draft pick aside the Yankees are better than they were yesterday, maybe significantly so if this leads to more moves to strengthening the rotation…..I think that’s the part people like. The money and draft pick hurts, but the Yankees are a better team because of this move.”

    Blake,

    I dislike this signing for not only the money and the draft pick, but the opt-out clause. It’s possible that Soriano opts out after one season and new CBA has no free agent compensation picks which means the Yankees pay Soriano 11.5M for one season of work and no first round draft choice back.

    Anyhow, the signing is done with so as a Yankee fan I can only hope for the best.

  412. Doreen January 14th, 2011 at 8:03 am

    If it’s one season of good work, though, it’s worth it.

  413. Gary January 14th, 2011 at 8:03 am

    Crawdaddy January 14th, 2011 at 7:57 am
    “What were unhappy with is your negative comment instead of giving us credit for understanding the trade”

    Poor Gary is unhappy, join the club as this signing has made me very unhappy.

    _____________________________________________________________________

    Well you do seem to be in the vast minority here this morning. As for me I’m pretty happy. The Yanks can now move on to plugging the few remaining holes. With this move we have reduced the game to a 7 inning game.

  414. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 8:04 am

    I’m calling the 7:56 post by “MTU” is from an imposter. It’s obvious because it was intelligent and no talk of fuzzy snake food.

  415. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 8:04 am

    Craw-

    The Yankees have a very strong farm system.

    No one wants to lose a 1st round draft pick when the crop is good.

    But 1 year shouldn’t make that much difference in the big picture IMO.

  416. Crawdaddy January 14th, 2011 at 8:05 am

    “Maybe its Cashman’s decision but its not one he would have made without pressure from ownership.”

    It doesn’t matter any longer. Cashman can’t keep hiding behind the ownership excuse again. This isn’t Arod or Jeter’s contract. He’s head of the baseball operations and every GM has to deal with and manage their ownership group.

  417. blake January 14th, 2011 at 8:05 am

    I think the Yankees making collective decisions is a good thing really…..

  418. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 8:05 am

    GB-

    I love you too.

    :)

  419. Roger January 14th, 2011 at 8:07 am

    isn’t it true that the top 3 biggest prospect are all international signings…?Montero,Sanchez,Banuelos…

  420. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 8:07 am

    GB-

    And I’d rather be lucky than good anyway.

    ;)

  421. Bronx Jeers January 14th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    I’m always suspicious of the western time zone people that are in here in the early AM. :wink:

  422. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Roger-

    And DePaula.

    ;)

  423. Crawdaddy January 14th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    “Well you do seem to be in the vast minority here this morning. As for me I’m pretty happy. The Yanks can now move on to plugging the few remaining holes. With this move we have reduced the game to a 7 inning game.”

    Nothing wrong with being a minority opinion. As Randy L. will tell you, I’m usually one of Cashman’s biggest supporters, but he’s not perfect and he makes mistakes. Yesterday, IMO, I think he made a mistake. Hopefully, I’m wrong in that opinion and everything turns out well with this Soriano signing.

  424. Mell January 14th, 2011 at 8:11 am

    Blake:

    If done under pressure, it’s not his decision. Who knows what it all means. I like the direction Cashman has been taking the organization since he’s been given more control. If we’re back to the days where his primary job as GM was detail the Steinbrenner’s limo and get his cigarettes, I don’t see that as good.

    For now, I’m going to go on the premise that Cashman’s “we won’t give up our 1st round pick for a set up man” position was a negotiating ploy that was marginally successful.

  425. Crawdaddy January 14th, 2011 at 8:12 am

    “The Yankees have a very strong farm system.

    No one wants to lose a 1st round draft pick when the crop is good.

    But 1 year shouldn’t make that much difference in the big picture IMO.”

    I hope they compensate for losing that pick by signing overslot players with their later picks.

  426. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 8:12 am

    Jeers-

    We just turn back the hands of time, and rely on non-euclidean geometry for our Pythagorean projections.

  427. Gary January 14th, 2011 at 8:12 am

    MTU, I agree on your points. Also the Yanks had the #31 pick so chances they would get a good player, but not a great player.

    In the absence of moves for SP, and issues with our SP, the stategy aval was to shorten the game. Securing the 8th and 9th inning accomplished that and if our other relievers step up it puts even less pressure on our pitchers innings wise.

    Hopefully our SP’ers keep us in the game early so we have the opportunity of protecting the lead or keeping it close enough so we can come back in the late innings.

  428. joeman January 14th, 2011 at 8:13 am

    I like the idea of having Soriano here what I don’t like is what they gave up to get him……31st overall draft pick ..gave him $ 4 mil per year raise for three years and he can leave after 1st or 2nd year to be a 8th inning guy for two years….for sure he wasn’t getting that money anywhere else

  429. Crawdaddy January 14th, 2011 at 8:13 am

    “For now, I’m going to go on the premise that Cashman’s “we won’t give up our 1st round pick for a set up man” position was a negotiating ploy that was marginally successful.”

    I’m hoping that was a ploy that got Boras off of wanting 3/45M.

  430. Crawdaddy January 14th, 2011 at 8:14 am

    “MTU, I agree on your points. Also the Yanks had the #31 pick so chances they would get a good player, but not a great player.”

    Gary,

    You do understand that the 2011 draft is a very strong one and that your above assumption is not a good one?

  431. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 8:15 am

    I trust Mo like I trust no one else, so if he wanted Soriano, that’s only a good thing. I did read last night that, last year, Soriano was quoted as saying he only wanted to pitch one inning, not two, but that could have been taken out of context. I’m looking forward to seeing him in pinstripes.

  432. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Craw-

    For me the only real risk with Soriano is his health.

    He has quite an injury history.

    The Yankees are overflowing with talent with more on the way.

    44 will get us somebody good, and Newman and co. will take care of the rest.

    Don’t sweat it.

    ;)

  433. Gary January 14th, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Crawdaddy, it will the guys has the stats to project that he will perform well for the team. As for the future years, time will tell we will see.

  434. Crawdaddy January 14th, 2011 at 8:17 am

    “Crawdaddy, it will the guys has the stats to project that he will perform well for the team. As for the future years, time will tell we will see.”

    Gary,

    I don’t understand what you’re saying with the above post?

  435. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 8:18 am

    The Yanks have their future closer down in the garden. Mariano Rivera Jr’s getting ready for college, so he’s not close to being on the farm. Not sure if he’ll be part of the draft or if he’ll be considered an international FA.

  436. Bronx Jeers January 14th, 2011 at 8:18 am

    You see that’s a heck of lot of polysyllable words for a man that’s supposed to be typing in the dark.

  437. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 8:18 am

    SAS, I agree……..and I don’t think this move depends on whether Joba starts or not. I like the move, period. It moves everyone else down in line – it’s too bad, but Robertson and Joba are clearly not 8th inning guys (so, despite everyone saying it’s preferrable to develop relievers, it’s clearly not so easy. Ok, Joba wasn’t developed as a reliever, but Robertson was). What the Yankees need desperately now is another starter. Either way, there’s going to be a lot of hoping and praying this year. Hoping and praying that Rothschild can help AJ, can improve Phil’s curveball (and get him to throw the change) and that whatever reclamation project they sign can be halfway decent.

  438. Doreen January 14th, 2011 at 8:19 am

    I just think the thinking is that Soriano isn’t just going to be used as the 8th inning set-up guy. I think there will be a lot more latitude in his job description.

  439. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 8:20 am

    Bronx-

    I may be typing in the dark but at least I don’t have to go all the way to Ecuador to go surfing, or to SF for a good meal.

    ;)

  440. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 8:21 am

    That article is no longer available to read, but speculation isn’t enough for me to determine that Cash was overruled. If it was, then that’s very disturbing.

  441. austinmac January 14th, 2011 at 8:23 am

    The Yankees did need to improve the team and Soriano does that. He does it without losing a prospect. No. 31 draft picks have much less chance to be productive major leaguers than the Yankees top prospects as far less likely to be an all-star as Soriano.

    Whether this move was made with Joba in the back of their minds we don’t know, but we do know this move gives the team that option.

    I see no reason to believe this signing would prevent another move were one available. They are far below last years salary, and they retain their trade chips if something comes along.

  442. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 8:24 am

    The $$$ doesn’t bother me a bit. Sure, when I saw it, I thought “wow”, but I don’t care. If Hal didn’t mind spending the $$$, then why should I care? He wants to win – I presume if the Yankees need other pieces at some point that Cash really thinks are needed, he will sign off on them. I’m sorry about the draft pick, and I didn’t want to lose it, but as I said last night, the Yankees are not the Rays (who can just say “well, we can win or not, it doesn’t matter”). Who’s to say our pick would turn into anything anyway? We’ll find some players later in the draft.

  443. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Who’s to say that Soriano will opt out and that the new CB won’t include draft pick compensation?

  444. Gary January 14th, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Betsy

    I agree we do need that other starter.

    Much in my opinion depends on that starters like AJ for example don’t give up those big innings early in the game. A lot also will depend on the performance of middle relief, when the starter tires in the middle innings and the pitch count goes up, it is key that Joba, Robertson, ect can come in and get those guys on base out. They all seem capable, but if they don’t execute then the late inning relief becomes a moot point.

  445. Mell January 14th, 2011 at 8:26 am

    “Soriano was quoted as saying he only wanted to pitch one inning, not two, but that could have been taken out of context”

    Actually, it’s his life story. He’s made 226 appearances over the last four seasons. Those have amounted to 224 innings. 224 brilliant innings, but he doesn’t appear to be a guy who can be asked to go more than 3 outs very often at all. FWIW, I don’t imagine using him for more than one inning at a time is really in the Yankees plans.

  446. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 8:27 am

    If the Duke of Hurl is healthy I want him.

  447. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 8:28 am

    And I want the Mexican Gansta’ to make a triumphant return.

  448. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 8:29 am

    I admit I’m not sure why Cashman allowd for the opt outs.

  449. joeman January 14th, 2011 at 8:29 am

    I would like to see them keep joba in Fla after the season starts, get him all the help he needs to become a SP again

  450. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 8:29 am

    And I want Jesus to walk on water and hit 20 Dingers in his first season.

    Hey. I don’t ask for much.

    :)

  451. blake January 14th, 2011 at 8:29 am

    Craw,

    I really don’t see them totally doing away with draft pick compensation…..there would be nothing to stop the big market teams from just signing every free agent and it would really hinder the smaller market teams in their abilities to rebuild when they lose players…..I think they may tweek the system but I can’t see them getting rid of it totally.

  452. Gary January 14th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 8:29 am
    I admit I’m not sure why Cashman allowd for the opt outs.

    ____________________________________________________________________

    It was the only way to get the guy I think. Didn’t want to take a chance of getting another cell phone call that he went elsewhere.

  453. joeman January 14th, 2011 at 8:31 am

    # Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 8:29 am

    I admit I’m not sure why Cashman allowd for the opt outs.
    —————————————————
    don’t like opt outs…don’t like CC’s either, don’t think he’ll ever use it but never say never

  454. upstate kate January 14th, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Hi Betsy!

  455. Mike Ri January 14th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    I admit I?m not sure why Cashman allowd for the opt outs.

    ——

    Betsy ,

    Im not sure he had a choice , Soriano probably wanted them in there.

  456. Bronx Jeers January 14th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    MTU,

    Touche’… but then again I’ve often found that the voyage is half the fun.

  457. Crawdaddy January 14th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    “I really don’t see them totally doing away with draft pick compensation…..there would be nothing to stop the big market teams from just signing every free agent and it would really hinder the smaller market teams in their abilities to rebuild when they lose players…..I think they may tweek the system but I can’t see them getting rid of it totally.”

    It hasn’t stop them so far even with draft pick compensation.

  458. Gary January 14th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    LT gets 6 year probation. We all just thought LT had retired from his lengendary exploits with the Giants to a life of Golf. :-)

  459. joeman January 14th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    # Mike Ri January 14th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    I admit I?m not sure why Cashman allowd for the opt outs.

    ——

    Betsy ,

    Im not sure he had a choice , Soriano probably wanted them in there.
    ——————————————–
    wasn’t like everyone was beating down his door to get him

  460. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Gary, AJ is AJ – he’s not going to change just because we have a new PC. Depending on middle relief is a lousy way to go – middle relief is middle relief because they are bad. Our rotation is pretty awful and that’s the most important thing.

  461. blake January 14th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Mell,

    Fair point, can’t argue there. All Im saying is that if Cashman is strong voice but not the only voice then I don’t see that as a bad thing l.

  462. Yankee Trader January 14th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    If Soriano opts out after year 1 he will be in the closer market with Bell, Broxton, Franklin, and potentially Lidge and Rodriguez, if their options aren’t picked up.

    I’m going on record that Pettitte comes back in June on a prorated contract, as his kids will be away at summer camp! :)

  463. Dionysius Thelxinoe January 14th, 2011 at 8:35 am

    Soriano nothing! Boras wanted them on there! Why not? Another potential paycheck!

  464. Mike Ri January 14th, 2011 at 8:35 am

    I admit I?m not sure why Cashman allowd for the opt outs.

    ——

    Betsy ,

    Im not sure he had a choice , Soriano probably wanted them in there.
    ???????????????
    wasn?t like everyone was beating down his door to get him

    ———————–

    I know joeman. but the Yanks were a “little desperate” in my opinion

  465. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Hi Kate – how are you?!

    Cash gives in a lot on the opt outs, doesn’t he? They don’t really bother me, though if he leaves perhaps I’ll feel differently. I like this move; I’m more annoyed that Cashman prior to this has done absolutely nothing to improve his team. He was getting cheap on Jones to boot………….

    I have to repeat that if Hal overruled Cash, that’s a bad sign of things to come

  466. austinmac January 14th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    I must admit I am happy to be talking about a move that was made rather than another day of ones that were not.

    I suspect the opt out were needed to appease Soriano for giving up his closer role. Also, next year the Yankees will have more internal options if he opts out, and presumably they would get a pick for him. They would not hesitate to offer arbitration since his year one salary is not unreasonable, in my opinion.

    The market for players has exploded this year. Soriano is a top reliever and should be paid as one irrespective of what inning he pitches.

  467. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Jeers-

    Sometimes journeys are trips but not always.

    Sometimes trips are better than journeys.

    Especially in the desert. At night. With a millions stars overhead.

    Kind of gives you a peaceful, easy feelin’.

    ;)

  468. Yankee Trader January 14th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Forgot to add Capps and Papelbon as available free agents, and Valverde and Nathan if club options not picked up.

  469. disco stu January 14th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    All I can say is thank goodness, the Yankees were not seriously going to pass on an opportunity to land Soriano at the expense of the 31st pick in this year’s amateur baseball draft.

    Whether the talent pool is deep or not, I never honestly believed that would be a deal breaker to land Soriano who immediately gives the Yankees the best 1-2 late inning punch in all of baseball and at the same time, gives the Yankees the best possible in-house option available in case Mo needs rest or extended time off due to an injury.

    I understand there are people who are hell bent on wanting the Yankees to build as strong a foundation as possible as possible thru the draft, international FA, and farm system, but lets get real for a second … we’re talking about the New York Yankees – we are in it to win, every year. We’re not the Royals – looking to compete in 3-4 years by hoarding our prospects together.

    Just remember, the Yankees were about to deal Montero for Lee last July before the Mariners backed out and we dealt our #3 rated propsect from 2009 (Arodys Vizcaino) to trade for Javy Vasquez and his expiring contract to be our 5th starter in 2010. When push comes to shove, the Yankees will always look to make a deal.

  470. joeman January 14th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    # Mike Ri January 14th, 2011 at 8:35 am

    I admit I?m not sure why Cashman allowd for the opt outs.

    ——

    Betsy ,

    Im not sure he had a choice , Soriano probably wanted them in there.
    ???????????????
    wasn?t like everyone was beating down his door to get him

    ———————–

    I know joeman. but the Yanks were a “little desperate” in my opinion
    ——————————————————————————————-
    yes they are…..my opinion is he was the best FA RP and it’s the middle of January he was still unsigned ……would have gave him that contract without the opt out

  471. Gary January 14th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Betsy, I just hope he (AJ) doesn’t go out there and throw up that 4 spot or 6 spot in the first 3 innings.

    We have had good middle relief in the past. I have to believe for the millions we pay these guys they can pitch a inning or part of an inning with some success. If they could keep the ball in the ballpark that in itself would be a major victory.

    I agreed with you on the starters, we still have work to do there. Don’t like most of the names out there, but there continues to be some hope they will get somebody.

  472. blake January 14th, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Crawdaddy,

    Yes but it does with other teams and it would stop the smaller teams from getting picks when they can’t afford to pay their free agents. I think the system is good….I just think they need to change how Type A and B free agents are labeled…..I don’t think you should have to give up a 1st rounder for Grant Balfour.

  473. ac1 January 14th, 2011 at 8:42 am

    i dont think the opt outs are a big deal here. They needed relief now and they got it. Boras often has his guys use the opt outs, so it is likely soriano will move on next year if the market for him is better, and we will get the draft pick or picks for him.

  474. Doreen January 14th, 2011 at 8:44 am

    The Yankees middle relief is Robertson and, at least for now, Chamberlain. Not too shabby. And they are joined by a few others who have been good for them, and the new guy, Feliciano (?). They have a strong pen. And it allows them to be a little more creative with the starting rotation.

    Even if they do make Joba a starter, one could probably figure he’s a 6-inning pitcher much of the time. And if Pettitte isn’t there, there’s Nova, also likely a 6-inning guy. CC, Hughes and even AJ should be able to give 7, most times. (And if it’s not Joba, it’s likely going to be another prospect, since I don’t see anyone out there that would be significantly better than Joba at a cost that makes sense.)

    This is a workable pitching set-up. And Girardi has shown a lot of competence in getting the best out of the bullpen. So, absent a second ace, a second closer seems like a pretty good way to go.

  475. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 8:44 am

    Who cares if Soriano opts out or not ?

    He’s not part of the big picture IMO.

    He’s just the Verrazano. Not the Empire state.

  476. Yankee Trader January 14th, 2011 at 8:46 am

    blake-

    Now the Yankees can sign Balfour and not give Tampa another 1st round pick!!

    Soriano will get his share of save opportunities.

    Duchscherer, Garcia, Bonderman, Francis, others, or should the Yankees just move Joba into the rotation and sign another bullpen arm?

  477. Crawdaddy January 14th, 2011 at 8:47 am

    “Yes but it does with other teams and it would stop the smaller teams from getting picks when they can’t afford to pay their free agents. I think the system is good….I just think they need to change how Type A and B free agents are labeled…..I don’t think you should have to give up a 1st rounder for Grant Balfour.”

    Then we just disagree because I think the system is broken and too many draft choices are given to teams like the Red Sox and Rays.

  478. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 8:47 am

    YT-

    The Duke if he is healthy enough.

  479. blake January 14th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    If Soriano opts out then that would be fine. It would be a one year 11.5 million dollar contract then and the Yankees would get two draft picks in return most likely…..plenty of closers and setup guys will be available next winter and Brackman might be ready to step into that role by then……that said, I don’t see him opting out unless things go really bad on 2011 and be just hates NY or if Boras thinks he can get him another 3 or 4 year deal for more money (unlikely).

  480. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Blake-

    Stop stealing my thoughts.

  481. Doreen January 14th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    I don’t understand why there hasn’t been any voiced concern about Duchscherer’s clinical depression when it was a major concern with Greinke? (I mean here on the Lohud; Jack Curry did mention in on Hot Stove the other night.)

  482. blake January 14th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    Trader,

    Yea I know….that was discussed las night a bit. They could do that or they could still sign Rauch who I like a little better.

    Craw,

    That’s where the system needs tweeked. Its good in theory but there are too many leupolds and ways to take advantage of it.

  483. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Doreen-

    2 reasons:

    He is way cheaper.

    He won’t have as prominent a role.

    Does that work ?

    :)

  484. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Blake-

    “Leupolds” ?

    I think you meant loopholes, and don’t try to blame it on GB or Killer.

    :)

  485. Joe from Long Island January 14th, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Good morning –

    1. Does anyone seriously think that Hal Steinbrenner knows anything about baseball other than that’s where the money comes from? That he sits there and opines on pitching skills or anything of the sort? He runs a multibillion dollar business. My guess is that he first even heard of Rafael Soriano last week.

    All Hal is interested in is results. How they get the
    is the business of the hired help, who will be held responsible for the bottom line. They made $450M last year plus YES money. That’s what the family is interested in. JMO.

  486. Mike Ri January 14th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    New Thread

  487. Joe from Long Island January 14th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    I don’t care about the draft picks. Unless there’s a Stephen Strasburg out there, waiting at #31, they’re going to take 3-5 years to develop. That’s a baseball eternity, especially when you’re the NY Yankees.

    The optouts are part of the purchase price. It’s part of doing business. If things go well, the Yankees will pay him whatever it takes.

  488. blake January 14th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    MTU,

    Sorry bud…..the Yankees are better than they were yesterday so Im happy. :)

  489. blake January 14th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    MTU,

    I was thinking about my riflescope ;) Nah my phone does some nutty things sometimes.

  490. disco stu January 14th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Doreen – fair point on the clinical depression double standard with Duchscher and Greinke … although I think the depresson angle was yet another reason why most people wanted the Yankees to look elsewhere instead of Greinke – who clearly was someone who wanted no part of the NY fishbowl.

    Having said that, I would have to believe that if the Yankees were to acquire Justin Duchsherer his previous bouts of clinical depression will probably be less of an issue than before due to the fact that he has no doubt by now been properly diagnosed, treated, and followed up on.

    I’m sure Oakland was very aggressive in having him treated once it became clear he needed help and I would be even more sure that the Yankees would do the same, if need be.

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