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A few lingering thoughts on Soriano

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 14, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just a few random Rafael Soriano thoughts bouncing through my head while I listen to this four-song Black Dub performance for roughly the 20th time in the past four days.

• While I’m not sure an eighth-inning reliever is worth this much money, I’ll agree that the money is a non-issue for 2011. The Yankees had plenty of room in the budget, and even with Soriano, they still seem to have plenty of payroll space to sign Andy Pettitte, improve the bench and land a back-of-the-rotation starter. The financial concerns come in years two and three. If Soriano pitches up to his contract, he’ll have the ability to opt out. If he doesn’t live up to expectation, the Yankees are still on the hook. Soriano has all the leverage, and that’s the financial danger of this deal. The Yankees are taking on all of the risk. Soriano’s only risk is that he won’t be pitching the ninth inning (though he’ll still be paid like a closer).

• In the great Joba Chamberlain debate, I’ve generally been on the side of developing him as a starter rather than reaping the immediate benefit of using him in the bullpen. That said, at this point, I think the Yankees have seen enough to make an informed decision about his ultimate upside and where he fits best. It’s hard to know a lot about a young pitcher after one season — which is when all of the Joba hype reached its peak — but after four seasons, the Yankees probably have a good idea what they’re dealing with. He might still be wasting his talent as a reliever, but I can’t say that for certain, and neither can anyone else. It’s all about projection, and that’s tricky. What I’ve found interesting is that for several weeks there has been a general sentiment that the Yankees needed to upgrade their eighth-inning situation because Chamberlain couldn’t be trusted in that role, but now that Soriano is in the mix, there’s an overwhelming belief that Chamberlain can be an elite starter again. Why would anyone who didn’t want him in the eighth inning suddenly want him in the rotation?

• Buster Olney has confirmed what was already suspected: That Soriano was an “ownership-driven” signing. That makes sense. Obviously Brian Cashman isn’t always going to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth when he speaks to the media, but it’s unusual for him to so be adamant about one thing — in this case, not losing a draft pick — only to turn around a week later and do the exact opposite. This kind of deal also goes against Cashman’s tactics of the past few seasons. For the most part, Yankees fans seem to love the signing — and I doubt they care who exactly made it happen — but it’s an interesting situation.

• Speaking of which, great job this week by Jon Heyman. Even though Cashman had publicly shot down any chance of the Yankees signing Soriano, Heyman stuck to his story, constantly reporting that sources were telling him the Yankees were very much in pursuit. Heyman took a lot of heat — on Twitter and in the comments of this blog — but he had the story right, and he’s the one who broke it last night. That’s good stuff.

• Daniel Turpen, Robert Fish and Romulo Sanchez — the two Rule 5 picks and an out-of-options reliever — should probably start working on their long-relief skills. All of the one-inning jobs seem to be taken at this point.

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505 Responses to “A few lingering thoughts on Soriano”

  1. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    Uh, if Lee took less to go to Philly I don’t think the “a lot more” was going to matter.

    He took a higher AAV to go to Philly, it was just less money guaranteed because there was 1 less year. When we’re talking about two deals that are fundamentally identical, of course he might choose to go where its easier to pitch and easier to win a division.

    He also said he would sign with the Rangers if they made their 7th year guaranteed instead of an Option. I think the Yankees could have signed Lee if they offered more money AAV and overall and 7 years. I wouldn’t have done that, but he didn’t really take less money to go to Philly. He is getting paid more per season.

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    I’m happy with this one. I don’t need to analyze it any further.

    Okay, I’m THRILLED with this one. I think it was definitely the right move at the right time.

    Sorry for those who are less than pleased.

    I think they will eventually see what a great move it indeed is.

    And who are we to argue with Mo???

    :)

  3. Frankg January 14th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Do the Yankees have room on the 40-man for Soriano?

  4. Rebecca-Optimist Prime January 14th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Soriano’s signing is worth it for the MFIKY nickname alone.

    Just sayin’.

    Peace.

  5. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Good question. It seems they “lost” more players than they signed so I would think that is a yes.

  6. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    A comparison: Balfour vs Soriano

    http://www.rlyw.net/index.php/.....pitcher_b1

  7. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Here’s a good analysis of the Philly and Yank offers on Lee:

    http://captnsblog.wordpress.co.....ee-offers/

    They were really pretty close, and if Lee remains good and healthy through 2017 Philly’s offer will almost certainly turn out to be the overall best deal for him financially. If he doesn’t then it won’t.

    Essentially, Lee is betting on his own longevity.

  8. Chip January 14th, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    • Daniel Turpen, Robert Fish and Romulo Sanchez — the two Rule 5 picks and an out-of-options reliever — should probably start working on their long-relief skills. All of the one-inning jobs seem to be taken at this point
    ————————-

    I would say that with Mitre and Prior also looming; Turpen and Fish shouldn’t throw out their Red Sox and Angels gear and Romulo should start saying his good bye’s.

    My guess is that the Yankees will try to deal Sanchez for a similar type player who still has options remaining.

    They may try to work out something to keep either Fish or Turpen around but I wouldn’t count on it.

  9. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    Wave, all the more reason I think that Lee wanted to go back to Philly or he wanted to remain in Texas. I don’t think that the Yankees were uppermost in his mind or I think he would be with the Yankees right now.

  10. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    CAIRO’s projections for Soriano and SG’s take on it:

    http://www.rlyw.net/index.php/.....s_and_cons

  11. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    repost-

    Paradoxically innings management in the pen may have been made harder by the acquisition of Soriano.

    Last year there were 470 bullpen innings. Let’s say 2011 will be similar, although as things now stand if Andy does not come back there may be even more bullpen innings in 2011.

    There are now 6 pitchers who look like fixtures in the 2011 pen: Mo, So, Joba, Robertson, Logan and Feliciano. Assuming a 12 man staff, one bullpen spot appears up for grabs.

    Mo and So will pitch a maximum of 135 innings. Feliciano will be used strictly as a LOOGY, say 45 IP (he pitched more for the Mets, but his role with the Yanks will be more limited). Joba and Robertson will be workhorses, but these days that’s about 70-75 IP. So between them, 145 IP. Logan will see his role expand from a strict LOOGY, but his usefulness vs LHP is limited, say 60 IP.

    That adds up to 385 IP, leaving 85 innings (minimum – it could be significantly more) to come from the seventh spot in the pen. That is a lot of innings from that 7th spot given modern reliever usage.

    It will be interesting to see how Girardi manages that.

  12. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    “CAIRO’s projections for Soriano and SG’s take on it:”

    LGY needs SG to comment here incognito for moral support.

  13. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    probably true trisha.

  14. mick January 14th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    Chad,
    Doesn’t Heyman work for Boras?
    As his mouthpiece, wasn’t he just negotiating with Cash, as Cash did with you?
    Seems like he earned his cut, maybe you should get yours’? :)

  15. Joe from Long Island January 14th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    If what Olney is reporting is true, and ownership was really the driving force, not just going along but the driving force- I am really surprised.

    It wouldn’t be the first time I would have guessed wrong, won’t be the last, but I’m surprised.

  16. Chip January 14th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
    Paradoxically innings management in the pen may have been made harder by the acquisition of Soriano.

    Last year there were 470 bullpen innings. Let’s say 2011 will be similar, although as things now stand if Andy does not come back there may be even more bullpen innings in 2011.

    There are now 6 pitchers who look like fixtures in the 2011 pen: Mo, So, Joba, Robertson, Logan and Feliciano. Assuming a 12 man staff, one bullpen spot appears up for grabs.

    Mo and So will pitch a maximum of 135 innings. Feliciano will be used strictly as a LOOGY, say 45 IP (he pitched more for the Mets, but his role with the Yanks will be more limited). Joba and Robertson will be workhorses, but these days that’s about 70-75 IP. So between them, 145 IP. Logan will see his role expand from a strict LOOGY, but his usefulness vs LHP is limited, say 60 IP.

    That adds up to 385 IP, leaving 85 innings (minimum – it could be significantly more) to come from the seventh spot in the pen. That is a lot of innings from that 7th spot given modern reliever usage.

    It will be interesting to see how Girardi manages that.

    ————————

    Your point is somewhat flawed by one huge assumption: That the Yankees will use the same seven relievers all season long.

    Last year the Yankees used 16 relievers to split up those 470 innings.

  17. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Thanks Wave. :)

    repost for Bojo

    BoJo – his nephew is Tony Sanchez, the kid who was the fourth (third or fourth) draft pick in the majors this year. He signed with Pittsburgh. SJ has been heavily involved in his nephew’s career and through his own profession, I think he has had strong connection with a lot of the ML scouts. So he does end up hearing things that the rest of us wouldn’t.

  18. BoJo January 14th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Chad: “What I’ve found interesting is that for several weeks there has been a general sentiment that the Yankees needed to upgrade their eighth-inning situation because Chamberlain couldn’t be trusted in that role, but now that Soriano is in the mix, there’s an overwhelming belief that Chamberlain can be an elite starter again. Why would anyone who didn’t want him in the eighth inning suddenly want him in the rotation?”
    ++++++++++++
    From my perspective–

    Relief pitching is a one and done event–where one bad pitch can ruin your outing. In starting, you can give up 2-3 runs over 6 innings and still be considered having had a good start.

    Could Joba do that (pitch 6 innings and give up 3 runs or less)?

    Through Joba’s first 30 starts (from June 13th 2008 to July 30th 2008 and from April 12 2009 to Aug 6 2009), Joba was 11-3 and team was 22-8 with 165 IPs, 157 hits, 75 BBs, 163 Ks,and a 3.27 ERA with a WHIP of 1.31. In 16 of those starts, he went 6 innings and gave up 3 runs or less.

    In contrast, Hughes was much worse in his 1st 30, but let’s look at him after getting his feet on the ground. Through his first 30 starts in 2010 alone (to discount the troubles he had previously), Hughes was 17-8 with a 4.21 ERA and worse stats across the board. Team was 19-11.

    Joba has shown himself to have a much higher ceiling than Hughes..no contest.

    That is why I personally believe he should start even though I didn’t want him to be the 8th inning bridge.

  19. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    “Your point is somewhat flawed by one huge assumption: That the Yankees will use the same seven relievers all season long.

    Last year the Yankees used 16 relievers to split up those 470 innings.”

    I don’t think it’s flawed because I am assuming no injuries and assuming Mo-So-Joba-Robertson-Logan-Feliciano are fixtures for the first 6 slots.

    If they get hurt or aren’t fixtures someone will take their place but overall the innings pitched in the slot will remain about the same.

    The only

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Joe, I love Olney but have learned not to trust him as much as I did in the past since he is with ESPN and also is known to be a long-time Sux fan. Those things perhaps shouldn’t disqualify his opinions but I do think his opinions might be colored from time to time, with the predominant color being red!

    I don’t know why everyone is so convinced that there is trouble in Yankeeland just because Cashman said one thing and did something different. Did anyone think that Cashman was coerced into signing Tex because he had said the Yankees were not interested in him?

  21. Cashman needs to go January 14th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    this signing also shoots down the so called experts on this blog’s incessant drivel that closers want to close and won’t accept a lesser role…

    its all about the benjamins folks…always is and always will be….closers will happily take the 6th inning role if they get ….P-A-I-D!!!

    And its how the yankees stay competitive…by using what they have the most of…..MONEY$$$

    Thats the Yankee Way……its started with getting Babe Ruth in order to finance “No No Nanette” (Or if you believe the other story that it was to finance “My Lady Friends”) and it will continue until forever – unless dopes like cashman think they could run the team like the pittsburgh pirates and still be successful…

  22. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Also, I think I’ve assumed high-side innings pitched for the MoSo tandem.

  23. BoJo January 14th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    Thank you trish!

  24. Nick in SF January 14th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    “Doesn’t Heyman work for Boras?As his mouthpiece, wasn’t he just negotiating with Cash…?”

    Please do not gratuitously bash one of the finest journalists of this or any other time.

    Do you think they hand out Twitter accounts to just anyone???

  25. BoJo January 14th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Trrish–I too remember when Buster used ot have chats with us online. I once named a cat for him, and he got a lot of amusement from that.

    It is almost painful to see him get so embarrassed this off-season by having to play beat the buzzer against Heymen…I don’t think it is a good role for him.

  26. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    It is almost painful to see him get so embarrassed this off-season by having to play beat the buzzer against Heymen…I don’t think it is a good role for him.

    Betting against a Boras mouth-piece on Boras clients is silly.

  27. BoJo January 14th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    Cashman needs to go January 14th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
    ++++++++++++++
    I think I or someone else mentioned he would clean toilets in YS if the money was right.

  28. BIG AL January 14th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Nick in SF -

    I just heard the bass drum pop.

  29. BoJo January 14th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    It is almost painful to see him get so embarrassed this off-season by having to play beat the buzzer against Heymen…I don’t think it is a good role for him.

    Betting against a Boras mouth-piece on Boras clients is silly.
    +++++++++++++++
    Agreed. But he must have thought he source was impeccable. Perhaps it was Cashman.

  30. Chip January 14th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
    “Your point is somewhat flawed by one huge assumption: That the Yankees will use the same seven relievers all season long.

    Last year the Yankees used 16 relievers to split up those 470 innings.”

    I don’t think it’s flawed because I am assuming no injuries and assuming Mo-So-Joba-Robertson-Logan-Feliciano are fixtures for the first 6 slots.

    If they get hurt or aren’t fixtures someone will take their place but overall the innings pitched in the slot will remain about the same.

    The only

    ———————–

    Even if those six do stay healthy all season – when you state that “85 innings or more will come from the 7th spot” you make it sound as if you’re expecting one reliever to eat up 85 innings which we all know won’t be the case.

    Second thing is that come September the rosters expand and you’re looking at at least another five relievers likely to eat up innings – it may not seem like much but it could shrink that number down by about 20 innings.

    Also you can assume that early on in the season the fifth starter will be skipped a few times and he will absorb some relief innings.

    Either way – you’re looking at possibly 5 different pitchers (conservatively) picking up those extra innings.

  31. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    Bojo, do you remember when I used to call Clemens “Tubboy” and how crazed it would make the poster DC????? You would have thought I shot his dog or something!

    :)

  32. Chip January 14th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    It is almost painful to see him get so embarrassed this off-season by having to play beat the buzzer against Heymen…I don’t think it is a good role for him.

    Betting against a Boras mouth-piece on Boras clients is silly.

    ———-

    Like last year when he was spot on about the Yankees re-signing Johnny Damon…oh…wait.

  33. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    The best of the winter bargin pickups just might be amdrew Sisco. He had a full and solid season in the minors and Mexican winter league. walks came down, strikeouts up. He just might be the surprise of ST. and he’s big and left handed.

  34. Gary January 14th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    I loved it this morning and I love it this afternoon, the right words Chad who cares about the money.

    I don’t expect Soriano to fall apart so I don’t think there is much risk to the Yankees. If he walks what can you do? I know lots of teams that get a guy at mid year and he doesn’t even play a year and then they are gone. Cliff Lee and Texas for example.

    I like it fine having Joba out there in the pen, I agree he can’t pitch the 8th, he can’t be starting either. Just give him his Twinkees out there and he will be happy.

  35. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Like last year when he was spot on about the Yankees re-signing Johnny Damon…oh…wait.

    He was also only half correct on Lee, as he ruled out the phillies as the mystery team numerous times. Heyman is just as hit or miss as anyone, but the ones he gets are usually the Boras clientele.

  36. BoJo January 14th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    Bojo, do you remember when I used to call Clemens “Tubboy” and how crazed it would make the poster DC????? You would have thought I shot his dog or something!
    ++++++++++++
    Was he the young fellow who had a video tape collection of every Yankee game?

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    BoJo – the same!

    :)

  38. Cashman needs to go January 14th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    BoJo January 14th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    Cashman needs to go January 14th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
    ++++++++++++++
    I think I or someone else mentioned he would clean toilets in YS if the money was right.

    **********************************

    absolutely…100%…right on the money…anyone thats says its not about the money is a bleepin liar…..

    scott boras has made billions living off of that credo…

  39. BoJo January 14th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    The best of the winter bargin pickups just might be amdrew Sisco. He had a full and solid season in the minors and Mexican winter league. walks came down, strikeouts up. He just might be the surprise of ST. and he’s big and left handed.
    ++++++++++++++
    He reminds me of another Boone Logan.

  40. Nick in SF January 14th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    The real loss to journalism is that Heyman wasn’t aroind to tweet during WWII:

    “#Churchill and #Ike tight-lipped about date but #D-Day said to be near. #Col.Boras eyes Belgian coast. #mysteryfront”

  41. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    “Either way – you’re looking at possibly 5 different pitchers (conservatively) picking up those extra innings.”

    I’m sure you are right about that, but they won’t be on the roster at once but one at a time, so innings management remains a problem I think.

    Plus, that “seventh slot” will have to be a long man slot, which could cause pressures during the games following a long relief outing.

    They could ameliorate that by running a Scranton shuttle but that hasn’t been the way the Yanks have operated in the past.

    It could even be a little worse if the Yanks use Soriano with modified closer rules, i.e. bring him in only in the eighth, only when the Yanks have a lead or the game is tied or the Yanks down a run.

    It will be interesting to see what Girardi does.

  42. Chip January 14th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
    The best of the winter bargin pickups just might be amdrew Sisco. He had a full and solid season in the minors and Mexican winter league. walks came down, strikeouts up. He just might be the surprise of ST. and he’s big and left handed.

    ————–

    Hope you’re right – I’ve always liked Sisco. I do wonder if they could transition him into a starter at this stage in the minors. Not sure he has enough secondary stuff to get through a lineup more than once.

    My other question is whether Romulo Sanchez has enough to compete for a starting role – I highly doubt it. As I said his likely future is as a spring training trade either for a bench player or a minor leaguer with some options left.

  43. heyman_sux January 14th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    After this season Igawa and Marte both come off the books so I’m not worried about the money. Even if he flames out, there will be room for the expensive/injured pitcher

  44. BoJo January 14th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    BoJo – the same!
    ++++++++++++
    That was–what? 12 years ago, right? He probably is married and has kids by now. I wonder how he is doing…

  45. Bronx Jeers January 14th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Does “doom & gloom” make your heart sing? Can you kvetch with best of them?

    If so, open this link and enjoy!

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....yanks.html

  46. Brian January 14th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Chad: “What I’ve found interesting is that for several weeks there has been a general sentiment that the Yankees needed to upgrade their eighth-inning situation because Chamberlain couldn’t be trusted in that role, but now that Soriano is in the mix, there’s an overwhelming belief that Chamberlain can be an elite starter again. Why would anyone who didn’t want him in the eighth inning suddenly want him in the rotation?”
    ——————-

    I don’t think the Yankees need him to be an ELITE starter.

    He just has to be better than Mitre.

  47. BIG AL January 14th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    GB7 -

    I want the Yankees to re-sign Justin Christian, and give him a shot at the 4th OF position.

    I feel he’s better for this team than any of the FA’s left. He’ll provide good defense, strong arm, great speed, and the enthusiasm you seldom get from the older player on a 1 year contract.

  48. mick January 14th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Instead of getting 1 year out of another team, Boras got 3 from us.
    I’d call that creative.
    And he’s a FA again the next 2 years.
    Genius.

  49. 108 stitches January 14th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Buston Olney is a Gammons wannabe and has assumed the role since Theo Epstein’s guitar mate left for the MLB Network.

  50. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    I actually heard from him as recently as last year. I believe he had gotten a job at MIT. I know he was living in beantown. He was single last I heard.

  51. BoJo January 14th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    I actually heard from him as recently as last year. I believe he had gotten a job at MIT. I know he was living in beantown. He was single last I heard.
    ++++++++
    How wonderful! He was a bright kid…nice to hear he is well.

  52. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Al-

    Sign me up for Christian. Great idea.

  53. BoJo January 14th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    heyman_sux January 14th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    After this season Igawa and Marte both come off the books so I’m not worried about the money. Even if he flames out, there will be room for the expensive/injured pitcher
    ++++++++++++++++
    Nice to see they are planning ahead as to who will fill this role…

  54. Chip January 14th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
    “Either way – you’re looking at possibly 5 different pitchers (conservatively) picking up those extra innings.”

    I’m sure you are right about that, but they won’t be on the roster at once but one at a time, so innings management remains a problem I think.

    Plus, that “seventh slot” will have to be a long man slot, which could cause pressures during the games following a long relief outing.

    They could ameliorate that by running a Scranton shuttle but that hasn’t been the way the Yanks have operated in the past.

    It could even be a little worse if the Yanks use Soriano with modified closer rules, i.e. bring him in only in the eighth, only when the Yanks have a lead or the game is tied or the Yanks down a run.

    It will be interesting to see what Girardi does.

    ——————

    While I sometimes question Girardi’s quick hook with relievers I’m fairly confident in his ability to get through the season without burning out his good ones.

    Truly – how the pen will be used now that they have Soriano is at the very bottom of my concerns.

  55. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Yeah, he really did turn out to be a good kid. I should shoot him off an email. Think I’ll do that right now.

    :)

  56. heyman_sux January 14th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Nice to see they are planning ahead as to who will fill this role?
    ____

    I mean, it was sarcasm. But totally possible

  57. BIG AL January 14th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    MTU -

    I’ll need to send an E-mail to Mo, so he can the FO on it right-a-way.

  58. Chip January 14th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
    Like last year when he was spot on about the Yankees re-signing Johnny Damon…oh…wait.

    He was also only half correct on Lee, as he ruled out the phillies as the mystery team numerous times. Heyman is just as hit or miss as anyone, but the ones he gets are usually the Boras clientele.

    ————-

    Well if you keep saying that the Yankees are interested in Scott Boras free agents your odds are pretty good of being right. The Yankees often go after the top free agents and generally those free agents are represented by Boras.

    It’s like being a weatherman in the North – when it gets to be winter if you predict it’s going to be cold odds are you’re going to be right.

  59. BIG AL January 14th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    MTU -

    Did you catch Jim, he was on for a bit, then gone.

  60. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    “Truly – how the pen will be used now that they have Soriano is at the very bottom of my concerns.”

    Well no need to respond then. I didn’t have you in mind particularly when I posted it.

  61. Cashman needs to go January 14th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Bronx Jeers January 14th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
    Does “doom & gloom” make your heart sing? Can you kvetch with best of them?

    If so, open this link and enjoy!

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b…..yanks.html

    ****************************

    I think its in Pete Abe’s contract with the Globe that he has to mention the yankees or a yankee player in 80% of his blog threads…

  62. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Chip, Sisco made 15 starts and 78 innings in Mexico and 48 relief appearances for 67 innings in AA this year. He’s finally healthy. his numbers in Mexico would have been better except for his last game. He allowed 2 singles and a solo homer, but in his last inning after 1 out, he walked three batters, there was one error on a dp ball and they all scored.

  63. BoJo January 14th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    heyman_sux January 14th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Nice to see they are planning ahead as to who will fill this role?
    ____

    I mean, it was sarcasm. But totally possible
    +++++++++++++++
    So was mine–darn, I forgot the smiley face again!

  64. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Al-

    Nope. I was out. Sorry I missed him.

  65. Chip January 14th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    I’ve been thinking about the opt outs and how they’re being called a huge win for Boras and Soriano.

    You know – I really don’t think that Cashman would mind one bit if Soriano had a fantastic season and opted out to re-test free agency next year.

    He’ll figure “I got a solid season from the guy at $11 mil, I’ll probably get a couple of picks for him and no long term commitment.”

    The only way this works out poorly for the Yankees is if Soriano completely melts down which I just don’t see happening.

    Oh, and reports are that Soriano is very keen on the idea of learning from Mo – so take one of the best relievers around and add in that cutter…

  66. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    BoJo January 14th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
    GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    The best of the winter bargin pickups just might be amdrew Sisco. He had a full and solid season in the minors and Mexican winter league. walks came down, strikeouts up. He just might be the surprise of ST. and he’s big and left handed.
    ++++++++++++++
    He reminds me of another Boone Logan.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    He made 15 starts and 48 relief pitching appearances, so, yeah, he can start, long relieve or swingman.

  67. BIG AL January 14th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    MTU -

    He has 7 days left in the freezer, not that he was counting.

  68. KPB January 14th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    MTU

    I watched 127 Hours last night after hearing you talk about it. It was pretty good. Have you seen it, or just commercials?

  69. Chip January 14th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
    Chip, Sisco made 15 starts and 78 innings in Mexico and 48 relief appearances for 67 innings in AA this year. He’s finally healthy. his numbers in Mexico would have been better except for his last game. He allowed 2 singles and a solo homer, but in his last inning after 1 out, he walked three batters, there was one error on a dp ball and they all scored.

    ——————

    So innings wise he could handle the load – question is whether the stuff could.

    No offense to the league that made Ruben Rivera a superstar – but being able to get through a Mexican League batting order a couple of times isn’t the same thing as the Majors. I question whether it’s the same as AAA.

  70. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    Al, I would love to see Christian get a shot at the extra outfield spot, too. He can do a lot of things pretty well. Now, he’s finally healthy.

  71. austinmac January 14th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    With respect to Heyman, as I said the other day, he is reporting what he hears. Is he always told the truth or do agents sometimes try to use him? We know that answer.

    I am sure he will not report something he believes false. I also believe agents, such as our friend Scott, can’t ruin his reporting by overtly misleading him.

    At this time of the year, people like us are starved for a clue, a possibility, some scuttlebutt, and he has been berry good at gathering this.

  72. BoJo January 14th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Off to Friday night outing…l8r folks!

  73. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    so take one of the best relievers around and add in that cutter…

    He already has a cutter, but yea lets hope it improves substantially against lefties since like or not Soriano is going to have trouble in NYS vs lefties.

  74. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    A lot of AAA and major league players in the Mexican League. It’s your basic AAAA league. Those aren’t bad numbers for somebody who hadn’t pitched since 2007.

  75. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    I also believe agents, such as our friend Scott, can’t ruin his reporting by overtly misleading him.

    This is where I disagree. Heyman is literally the one guy that can scoop a Boras client before anyone else. In return for getting first dibs on every Boras signing, he will report what Boras wants to nudge negotiations publicly.

    I think Boras overtly misleads teams through Heyman.

  76. Chip January 14th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
    Al, I would love to see Christian get a shot at the extra outfield spot, too. He can do a lot of things pretty well. Now, he’s finally healthy.

    ——————-

    Have to sign him first.

  77. BIG AL January 14th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Chad,

    Perhaps you might consider asking Cashman, the next time you speak, if he’s given any consideration to Justin Christian as a possible 4th OF.

    Justin just finished ripping about the Mexican League, and could be an asset to the team.

  78. Bronx Jeers January 14th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    “The Driving Force” ?

    You gotta think there’s a Steinbrenner behind this move. Now there is a report that Mariano himself hand picked Soriano as his heir apparent. We all know about the ghosts of Yankee Stadium.

    I think I figured out the point of inception for this deal and the rumors are correct; Cashman had nothing to do with it.

    Check out this telling photo.

    http://si.wsj.net/public/resou.....171515.jpg

  79. BIG AL January 14th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    Chip -

    Yes, I know, he’s an FA, but, he loves the Yankees, and it would be an easy sell.

  80. KPB January 14th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    At this time of the year, people like us are starved for a clue, a possibility, some scuttlebutt, and he has been berry good at gathering this.
    —————————-

    That’s how I came to find this blog. Last year I was Looking for something close to the Yankees, I found WFAN and Lohud. After a year I value Lohud more, not only for the great reporting, but for the people that comment on here too.

  81. BIG AL January 14th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    Catch you all later.

  82. austinmac January 14th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    There’s millions to be made cleaning toilets? Gotta go and buy some gloves!!

  83. MTU January 14th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Al-

    He did tell me that. 7 days left thankfully. Bet he can’t wait to get back to familiar surroundings. can’t blame him.

    KPB-

    I don’t know if it is out around here. If it is I will surely see it. I heard they didn’t show too much of the scenery. Mainly focused on Ralston’s ordeal. I read his book.

  84. theoldCrow January 14th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Chad nice tracks, Trixie Whitley is reminiscent of Bekka Bramlett.

    In favor of the Soriano signing, let’s hope he stays healthy and competes in the set up role as well as he did while closing. D-Rob can get a chance to mature a bit more now. Just wondering how to fit 6 relievers into the mix, my guess is Mitre will not be in the rotation, Girardi needs somebody as a long man. Mitre, Logan, Feliciano, Joba, D-Rob, Soriano. Mo ? Who’s in, who’s out?

  85. Chip January 14th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    BIG AL January 14th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
    Chip -

    Yes, I know, he’s an FA, but, he loves the Yankees, and it would be an easy sell.

    ——————–

    I don’t know. You don’t see a lot of reserve type players lining up to sign with the Yankees. They know that unless someone has a significant injury they’re not looking at a whole lot of playing time and absolutely no shot at a starting role.

    That’s why despite the money, guys like Wiggington, Hinkse, Hairston almost consider the Yankees a last resort.

    Christian isn’t as accomplished as those guys – but he may prefer signing with a bad team like the Pirates or Royals where he will have a shot at more playing time.

  86. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    Christian is a much better fielder….at all three positions, plus 2nd base and is almost as fast as Gardner…plus he’s a right handed hitter.

  87. Chip January 14th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    On a completely different topic:

    The Mets are expected to sign Willie Harris to a major league deal.

    As of right now the Mets are at their 40 man roster limit. A couple of days ago Sandy Alderson said that the club has no intention of releasing Luis Castillo but you have to think that doing so is at least an option right now since the club is going to need a spot for Harris.

  88. Chip January 14th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
    Christian is a much better fielder….at all three positions, plus 2nd base and is almost as fast as Gardner…plus he’s a right handed hitter.

    ——————

    You don’t need to sell me on the merits – I just wonder if he’s going to want to sign with a club where he might have a better chance of playing time than the Yankees. Especially coming off such a strong winter ball campaign.

  89. austinmac January 14th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Chip,

    I read Boras today pumping up Andruw Jones as fit and ready to be a regular. Ok Scott, good luck with that one, but his accepting a 200-250 AB role may not be what he is willing to do.

  90. CCBiggs January 14th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    I support moving Joba back into the rotation, for two reasons: (1) Yanks have greater need for a starter than for another bullpen arm; and (2) even if Joba is only a middle-of-the-rotation starter, that’s much more valuable than a middle reliever. Also, I don’t think Joba has been given a full opportunity to prove what he can do a a starter. He’s still young and he has shown excellent potential. Let’s see what he can do!

  91. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    The Yanks will carry 7 relief pitchers, not 6.

  92. KPB January 14th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    MTU

    They showed some good shots. Mainly focused on his spot where he was trapped (for obvious reasons). But, was pretty good.

    You got mail.

  93. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    You don’t need to sell me on the merits – I just wonder if he’s going to want to sign with a club where he might have a better chance of playing time than the Yankees. Especially coming off such a strong winter ball campaign.

    He hasn’t gotten any major league time ever except with the Yanks. I don’t think another team is looking at him as anything other than minor league depth.

  94. jacksquat January 14th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    He already has a cutter, but yea lets hope it improves substantially against lefties since like or not Soriano is going to have trouble in NYS vs lefties.

    Lhb’s hit .196/.263/.327 against Soriano last year. Only 2 home runs in 107 ab. If lhb hit 25% more HR in YS, that’s less than one additional home run.

    I’m not worried.

  95. Tom in N.J. January 14th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Little known fact about Jon Heyman:

    It is plainly obvious that Heyman, known among fellow writers as scottboras.com, is getting fed such stories by Scott himself

    http://baseballanalysts.com/ar.....eaks_a.php

  96. DaSaint007 January 14th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Chip January 14th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
    I’ve been thinking about the opt outs and how they’re being called a huge win for Boras and Soriano.

    You know – I really don’t think that Cashman would mind one bit if Soriano had a fantastic season and opted out to re-test free agency next year.

    He’ll figure “I got a solid season from the guy at $11 mil, I’ll probably get a couple of picks for him and no long term commitment.”

    The only way this works out poorly for the Yankees is if Soriano completely melts down which I just don’t see happening.

    Oh, and reports are that Soriano is very keen on the idea of learning from Mo – so take one of the best relievers around and add in that cutter…
    ———————————————

    Agreed. Said something similar on last post.

  97. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Chad, just because Buster Olney opined (or “confirmed” in his words) that this was Hal overruling Cash, doesn’t make it so. I have no reason to believe that any of these mediots know what they are talking about – they just want to create stories for themselves.

  98. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Will the Yankees sign Clay Rapada to a minor league deal and stash him in Scranton as another lefty reliever with some ML experience?

    From MLB-Rumors-R-Us

    “•The Rangers put left-hander Clay Rapada on release waivers and intend to release him, according to ESPNDallas.com. The Rangers designated Rapada and Max Ramirez for assignment last week.”

  99. Nick in SF January 14th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    I like the inception angle. I wonder how many layers down they had to go to plant ‘sign Soriano’ in Cashman’s head.

    And does he know whether or not he’s still dreaming?

  100. DaSaint007 January 14th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Jeff Francis disappointed me, choosing the Royals instead of a team with a legitimate chance to contend in 2011. Like the Yankees.

    He claims that the young talent in the Royals organization is what enticed him.

    Bull.

    He went where there would be no pressure, so that he can rehabilitate his career and hopefully progress to where he feels that he can then jump to a contender in a year. He’s using them as a AAAA rehab assignment.

  101. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Tom in N.J. January 14th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
    Little known fact about Jon Heyman:

    It is plainly obvious that Heyman, known among fellow writers as scottboras.com, is getting fed such stories by Scott himself

    http://baseballanalysts.com/ar…..eaks_a.php

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Tom, it’s only a little known fact with one poster on here. Be prepared for a tongue lashing for your attack on Uncle Jon. he’s the most respected, best connected, best loved journalist in baseball.

  102. GMAN January 14th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Deal gives Yanks flexibility if Soriano doesn’t like 8th inning or NY… he gets a free – get out of jail card.

    If he just wants more dough – Yanks see plenty of top talent bullpen men becoming available at conclusion of 2011 season.

    Also gives Yanks time to develop minor league arms for 2012.

  103. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Chad, just because Buster Olney opined (or “confirmed” in his words) that this was Hal overruling Cash, doesn’t make it so. I have no reason to believe that any of these mediots know what they are talking about – they just want to create stories for themselves.

    Klapisch whose known source is Randy Levine, said that Cash was overruled, and another source confirmed this was Levines deal.

    Its not Hal.

  104. West Coast Yankee Fan January 14th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    “Speaking of which, great job this week by Jon Heyman. Even though Cashman had publicly shot down any chance of the Yankees signing Soriano, Heyman stuck to his story, constantly reporting that sources were telling him the Yankees were very much in pursuit. Heyman took a lot of heat — on Twitter and in the comments of this blog — but he had the story right, and he’s the one who broke it last night. That’s good stuff”.

    ***************

    Please send apologies and home made cupcakes to:

    Me J. MeMe
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  105. GMAN January 14th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    you can’t even see Boras’ lips move when Heyman is talking…amazing!

  106. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Simon, it’s not a real surprise that Francis goes to a pitcher’s park on a 1 year deal to rebuild his value.

  107. Nick in SF January 14th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    I’m waiting for Randy Levine to publish his pitching philosphies on google. :mad:

  108. GMAN January 14th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Randy Levine in a meglomaniac when it come to the Yankees.

    He resents Cashman’s decision making authority and will do all he can to change that!

  109. Doreen January 14th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Levine?

    What does Levine have to do with free agents?

    Isn’t that beyond his purview?

    The only thing I can see him saying is – “the natives are getting restless; let’s appease them.”

  110. GMAN January 14th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Maybe Levine will sign Kenny Lofton again?

  111. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Jerkface, I’ll choose not to believe Klapisch……

  112. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    “Its not Hal.”

    If Cashman and Levine disagreed, don’t you think Hal would have to get involved?

  113. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    However, if this were true, then this organization is in shambles. The owner is letting Randy Levine overrule the GM? That’s on Hal, no matter how much Levine is involved. Scary….I wouldn’t be surprised if Cash doesn’t re-sign when his contract is up. IF this is true.

  114. GMAN January 14th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Maybe Levine will bring in Tony Womack again?

  115. austinmac January 14th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    I looked at Soriano’s splits last year. They are ridiculously good. OPS vs. RH was .431 and vs. LH was .590. I daresay the OPS vs. Lefties beats about any loogie specialist. This guy will help.

  116. GMAN January 14th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    right out of The Godfather…

    A power struggle emerges after “The Boss” departs…

  117. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Lhb’s hit .196/.263/.327 against Soriano last year. Only 2 home runs in 107 ab. If lhb hit 25% more HR in YS, that’s less than one additional home run.

    You might not be worried but here is why I would be worried.

    Lefties walk at 3+ bb/9 vs Soriano the last 2 years, 3.23 for his career, so his command suffers vs them. He doesn’t K them as easily as right handed batters. 8 k/9 vs LHB vs 10 k/9 vs RHB. But thats still more walks and less K’s.

    His HR/9 vs lefties is over 1 in his career.

    He cut his HR rate in half vs lefties last year. Now he is moving to a stadium where he LHB have a significant advantage in terms of hitting HRs.

    If he just returns to his career percentage you’re not talking about a 25% increase over what he allowed, you’re talking about doubling the amount of HRs allowed on flyballs.
    He is a flyball pitcher that doesn’t get ground balls, and those fly balls have to go somewhere. Generally pitchers can’t control if a flyball is a HR or not. And the league average is 10% of your flyballs go for HRs.

    He gave up 84 flyballs last year, so if he has a league average HR rate by pitching in a HR friendly park thats 8 HRs instead of 4.

  118. GMAN January 14th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Powerplay by Randy Levine…

  119. Yanks78 January 14th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    That “accidental” tweet from Klapisch earlier basically tells you that it was Levine and Cash was overruled.

    It’s not that hard to believe when you look at the contract value, structure, and the fact that he was adamant when saying no one on the market (remaining) was worth a 1st round pick. No one asked him to make that statement.

  120. West Coast Yankee Fan January 14th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    I just think it’s hysterical and a bit disturbing that posters on a blog demean and denounce respected, hard working sports journalists who do their best to bring fans the best, most accurate news they can. Do some make mistakes? Sure. Do some get fed bad information by General Managers and Agents to suit their purposes. Sure. Are some better journalists than others? Sure.

    Do any make up stories out of whole cloth and/or intentionally disseminate information they know to be wrong? I would guess a very, very small minority.

    Would love to know what Chad’s opinion is on this topic.

  121. GMAN January 14th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    He’s been the trusted family adviser…
    now wants a piece of Cash’s turf…

    He wants to own the back page of The Post and Daily News…

  122. Nick in SF January 14th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    It’s a basic staple of any corporate hierarchy that the sweatiest employee usually gets his way. So don’t cross Randy Levine.

    How do you think Patrick Ewing forced Don Nelson out so quickly?

  123. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    nd vs. LH was .590. I daresay the OPS vs. Lefties beats about any loogie specialist. This guy will help.

    Logan: .190 .286 .215 .501
    Feliciano: .211 .297 .276 .574
    Soriano: .196 .263 .327 .590
    Thornton: .175 .221 .278 .500
    Scott Downs: .152 .247 .241 .488 <– available this year

    Big power component in Soriano's split vs lefties, and he won't be pitching in Turner field or Tropicana (Well he will sometimes :) )

  124. austinmac January 14th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    West Coast,

    I agree on reporters. You must be correct because I said something very similar earlier. :)

  125. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Mac, if Soriano comes close to repeating the 2010 season, that’s as good as having three lefties in the pen. Even if he’s only 3/4ths as good, that will be some 8th-9th inning combo. If he opts out next year, the Yanks get two top picks to replace the one the lost….and one that should be a better pick than #31.

  126. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Randy Levine is President of the Yankees, he has legitimate power. All he has to do is talk Hal and company into making a deal, and they will pressure Cashman to do it. Levine is also the contract guy, since he is a lawyer. He usually gets all the niggles in the contract. Maybe he sold Cash on the options saying that Soriano will opt out.

  127. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Soriano wasn’t exactly pitching in the Grand Canyon last year. 3 walks a game? How well did Kerry Wood do over the last 2 seasons?

  128. austinmac January 14th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Jerface,

    Turner Field isn’t exactly Petco. Do you agree he makes the team better? If he does the only downside is if it causes the team not to make a move down the road that would be more helpful than Soriano. Agree?

    Could that happen? Sure. Will it? Not if it is a move they think will help enough such as that stud pitcher who people think will mysteriously appear on the July horizon.

  129. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Jerkface, I like the deal and I’m not freaked out about the opt outs or anything like that. However, they should just fire Cash and be co-GMs themselves since they (IF true) don’t have faith in their GM.

  130. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Soriano wasn’t exactly pitching in the Grand Canyon last year. 3 walks a game? How well did Kerry Wood do over the last 2 seasons?

    3.74 ERA? And Wood is at least closer to 1:1 on his ground balls and flyballs.

  131. Betsy January 14th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    That said, admittedly Cash has had a bad off-season (and, going back to the non-deal for Haren) a bad off-season and a half.

  132. LGY January 14th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Soriano had a 4.42 xFIP vs LHB last year. In his career it is 4.13.

  133. Drive 4-6 January 14th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    This offseason the Yankees offered a wider variety of season ticket and holiday ticket packages than I can ever remember. The newest one is that in late January they are holding a ” Yankees Select-a-Seat Open House Event ” at Yankee Stadium to try to get season ticket holders to upgrade their seats.

    It’s hard to push ticket sales when there is absolutely no buzz around the team. Signing Soriano has created a buzz. Mission accomplished. It’s a good business move for 2011 as well as an improvement to the team. The signing makes sense on a lot of levels. In this case, “ownership” saved a bad decision by Cashman.

  134. austinmac January 14th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    GB,

    I completely agree with your 5:50 post. Heck I will criticize if I think appropriate, but adding one of the best relievers in baseball is not and I repeat is not a bad thing.

  135. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Turner Field isn’t exactly Petco. Do you agree he makes the team better? If he does the only downside is if it causes the team not to make a move down the road that would be more helpful than Soriano. Agree?

    Soriano is a good pitcher, the team will be better. How much better is up for debate since I think a non-mariano relievers impact on the game just isn’t great enough to warrant the amount of money spent.

    There are big issues here: How a flyball pitcher is going to fare in NYS, Soriano’s injury history which means if he gets hurt the yankees are on the hook for 35 mil with nothing or little to show for it, the money being spent on Soriano not being used elsewhere.

    Everyone says money does not matter to the yankees, but until they show a willingness to carry an operating payroll above 210 mil, then money has to be considered as a factor. They CAN spend probably 300 million, but they haven’t.

  136. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    “I just think it’s hysterical and a bit disturbing than anybody” would defend a writer with well-known biases and prejudices to the near point of tears. The only conclusion there can be is a “close relationship” between the two.

  137. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....ven-41255/

  138. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Turner field was 26th out of all stadiums for HRs in 09 when Soriano pitched there. Petco was 29. Tropicana 22. Yankee Stadium was #1

  139. West Coast Yankee Fan January 14th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    So the countless other reports, news items and stories that Heyman writes about that are not Boras client related are……?

  140. Bronx Jeers January 14th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    I’m not sure who the architect of this move is but I’m hearing that Levine has banned the playing of all Edith Piaf music in the Yankee offices until Zambrano passes his physical.

  141. randy l. January 14th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    if randy levine is really initiating free agent signings on the yankees, the yankee front office is even more dysfunctional than even i would think.

    next thing you know levine is going to usurp cashman and steal his elf suit and rappel down some manhattan building.

  142. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    Tropicana field has depressed HRs below average consistently in its career. Yankee Stadium has increased them considerably. The pitcher gets vastly more flyballs than groundballs.

    Anyone not seeing this as a potential hazard is ignoring the obvious. Soriano will be good, but its not like the greatest fit in the world for him. Just like most free agent pitchers don’t want to go to Texas.

  143. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    I saw the win loss records posted earlier, before and after Wood, trying to point out how much difference Soriano might make. Wood showed up about the same time as the hot pitching Andy Pettitte went on the DL for 60 days. Soriano will help considerably. I think they had 8 or 9 losses after the 7th inning. The Yanks usually was about 3 or 4 losses at the end of the year after 7-8 innings.

  144. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    So the countless other reports, news items and stories that Heyman writes about that are not Boras client related are……?

    His stories? Probably not worth reading.
    News items? Probably not broken by Heyman, and his opinion on the matter will probably be stupid
    Other Reports? Probably not scoops, and also his opinion will be bad.

    Why don’t you find all the times he scooped people on non-boras clients or was right about something.

  145. austinmac January 14th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Jerkface,

    I do think salary does matter, but to improve the team on January 13 they had the option, I presume, of sacrificing existing prospects or money the pick. I am glad they made this choice.

    He has an injury history, but he has been very healthy the last two years. I bet oddsmakers would say he is more likely to pitch his 60-70 innings per year for three years than Lee is to pitch his 200. Pitchers are always risks. I remember being excited when the Yankees signed Don Gullett. Ah, don’t let me think of that.

  146. Drive 4-6 January 14th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    The Yankees do not win the 2009 World Series without Alex Rodriguez. Period. Left to his own devices, Cashman does not re-sign A Rod . Sometimes the “ownership” has a better idea about what’s best for the team than the General Manager does. I’m not a Cashman basher, but it takes a team to build the roster. The folks signing the paychecks have an idea what is best from a business standpoint and on occassion their idea even improves the team. Sometimes. Not always. This could be one of those times until proven otherwise.

  147. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    I think they had 8 or 9 losses after the 7th inning. The Yanks usually was about 3 or 4 losses at the end of the year after 7-8 innings.

    You could just look this up:

    07 , 15 games lost when leading or tied after 7
    08 , 13 games lost when leading or tied after 7
    09 , 7 games lost when leading or tied after 7
    10 , 16 games lost when leading or tied after 7

  148. Latroy Farnsworth January 14th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    At this point in the offseason its a good acquisition for the Yanks. Financially, well that’s a different story because the contract is a little ridiculous. But again, at this point in the offseason Cashman has nobody to thank but himself for having to sign Soriano to such a jack ass deal because he passed on Jenks and Wood who both could have been signed for much cheaper. Oh well, you reap what you sow Cashman and I don’t really care how much you pay the guy because it’s not coming out my wallet muahaha

  149. austinmac January 14th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Jerkface,
    I was surprised on Turner Field. Did you cherry pick a stat on me? The real issues is over a longer period of time to minimize the effect of a particular staff or group of hitters.

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    Jerkface,

    Based on Jerkface’s stats the argument can be made that having a stable 8th inning guy for an entire season can make the difference between 1st and 2nd place.

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    Face,

    What website are you pulling that from?

  152. Yank1 January 14th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    “10 , 16 games lost when leading or tied after 7″

    So if Soriano even converts half of those, we win 100 games.

    Great signing.

  153. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Keith Law is an idiot. Now he’s panning the Soriano deal as expensive and unnecessary, but, he loves the Crawford deal and Boston made a great deal. One is no more expensive or unnecessary as the other. Make up your mind, you biased jackass.

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    Jerkface,

    Can’t we interpret your late loss stat as saying the one team good at winning late was the one team that won the championship?

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    What website are you pulling that from?\

    Scoring summary matrix on BB-Ref, go to team then scoring, then select year and get the report. You can get the win-loss based on runs scored, when runs were scored, win loss leading tied or behind based on inning, etc.

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    Face,

    Thanks. I am not great at navigating the b-ref website.

  157. Doreen January 14th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    A shambles? No faith in the GM ??

    Way to exaggerate a situation.

    Seems to me there was legitimate debate on whether or not to get Soriano.

    PERHAPS what happened is that Levine was for it and was able to structure a contract that convinced both ownership and the GM that it was worth doing??????

    Perhaps this was a compromise among the power structure????

    No. Of course not. This is proof that the organization is a shambles and the GM is a frozen duck or whatever.

    Unbelievable.

    This is not War and Peach or Crime and Punishment for cryin’ out loud. It’s not even As the World freakin’ Turns.

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    Jerkface,

    I sometimes disagree, but I respect the effort to bring information. I find it thought provoking.

  159. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Can’t we interpret your late loss stat as saying the one team good at winning late was the one team that won the championship?

    Yea, although the 09 team had a great offense and walked off 10 times, so I wonder about that affect on it. As well as the 8th inning guy not being a factor in the postseason.

    Soriano is going to help, I will not disagree with that. He is a good pitcher. I just don’t think he is going to be a sub 2 ERA guy on the Yankees

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    Um, War and Peace. Obviously, some think it’s not peachy. :)

  161. LGY January 14th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    Face,

    Isn’t 16 when they were ahead or tied heading into the 7th inning, not after the 7th inning or am I reading it wrong?

  162. Drive 4-6 January 14th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Last year, when batters put the ball in play against Bobby Jenks they his .354. When they put the ball in play against Soriano they hit .199 If Bobby Jenks and his 1.4 WHIP and 4.44 ERA is worth 6 mil then Soriano’s guaranteed $10mil is a steal.

  163. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    I was surprised on Turner Field. Did you cherry pick a stat on me? The real issues is over a longer period of time to minimize the effect of a particular staff or group of hitters.

    Turner Field park factors by year HR rate

    07: .9550
    08: 1.014
    09: .861
    10: 1.023

    Yankee Stadium
    07: 1.181
    08: .982
    09: 1.261
    10: 1.420

    I think Soriano is moving into a hostile environment that is not conducive to his abilities. He is a good enough pitcher that it isn’t going to sink him. Last year he allowed 55% of his runners inherited to score, blew 3 saves and gave up 14 runs. There are going to be close games that he will enter and ruin. I am hoping it is less than what Joba or Robertson would do in his same spot, it probably will be.

    Lets hope SG and everyone are right and he adds 2 wins to the total with his ability.

  164. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Isn’t 16 when they were ahead or tied heading into the 7th inning, not after the 7th inning or am I reading it wrong?

    Yes I used when entering the 7th inning tied or ahead, not exitting. Because Soriano is supposed to improve our 7th by pushing pitchers down.

  165. LGY January 14th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Thanks. Got it.

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  166. Jerkface January 14th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Last year, when batters put the ball in play against Bobby Jenks they his .354. When they put the ball in play against Soriano they hit .199 If Bobby Jenks and his 1.4 WHIP and 4.44 ERA is worth 6 mil then Soriano’s guaranteed $10mil is a steal.

    BABIP is highly variable. Especially if the components of balls in play don’t change. Soriano’s career BABIP is .256 and 09 it was .298.

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    It seems to me that BABiP is not a predictive stat, but a reflective one: “This is what happened when the ball was hit,” whether that be as the hitter or as the pitcher hits against. So it seems to me to be a statistic that really doesn’t say too much.

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    In truth he’ll be an EIG and co-closer. The days of Mariano pitching more than one inning or in successive games have reached a virtual end.
    Girardi has done a good job at managing the bullpen workload and will have a plan for both pitchers so they get enough work to keep sharp without being overworked.

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