Yankees organizational depth: Relief pitchers
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 16, 2011 
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Unable to address their rotation needs, the Yankees have instead built what should be one of the better bullpens in baseball. Of their three major league additions this offseason, two have been relievers. They’ve also locked up two more years with the game’s greatest closer.
In the big leagues
Whether you like the Rafael Soriano deal or not, it clearly gives the Yankees one of the deepest bullpens in baseball. They have two legitimate closers, the Hall of Famer, Mariano Rivera, and the new guy Soriano, who could step in should Rivera actually begin to show his age. Joba Chamberlain and Dave Robertson give the Yankees two young right-handers, while Pedro Feliciano and Boone Logan give them two legitimate lefties. As long as everyone stays healthy, the last spot in the bullpen will likely go to a long reliever, probably Sergio Mitre as long as he’s not needed in the rotation. The wild card here is Mark Prior, the former elite young starter trying to make his way back to the big leagues after a series of injuries.
On the verge
The Yankees have proven that a pitcher on the verge of helping the big league bullpen doesn’t necessarily have to pitch out of a minor league bullpen. There’s a solid chance at least one of the minor league starters will play some sort of bullpen role this season. Just last year, Ivan Nova made his first big league appearance out of the pen. There has always been some outside-the-organization talk of Andrew Brackman’s potential as a reliever. The same could be said for Graham Stoneburner and Shaeffer Hall, each of whom is expected to be in the Double-A rotation this year. For now, though, all of those pitchers will continue to develop as starters. The Yankees will keep them there until development or need forces a change.
Of the young pitchers actually expected to pitch as minor league relievers this season, right-hander Ryan Pope, lefty Steve Garrison and newly acquired Brian Schlitter are the only ones on the 40-man. Early call-ups will be wide open now that Mark Melancon and Jonathan Albaladejo are out of the organization, and those three would certainly be the easiest to move to New York. Assuming they open the season in Scranton, minor league signees Prior and Neal Cotts could also be in the call-up mix. It might be a long shot, but if Brian Anderson, a converted outfielder, can continue to make strides as a pitcher, he could build some level of prospect buzz as a potential major league reliever. He throws pretty hard and had some short-term success last season despite having not pitched in years.
Deep in the system
The top low-level pitching prospects usually develop as starters — regardless of long-term plans — but the Yankees actually have some notable young pitchers already working as relievers in the lowest levels. The stats that stand out come from three college kids taken in last year’s draft.
Tommy Kahnle was the Yankees fifth-round pick — the highest pitcher they took in the draft — and he allowed just three hits while striking out 25 through 16 innings in Staten Island. Chris Whitley (15th round) allowed a .157 opponents batting average and had 44 strikeouts in Staten Island before finishing the season with High-A Tampa. Preston Claiborne (17th round) also skipped straight to Tampa after a 1.18 WHIP with 30 strikeouts in Staten Island. All three could skip Charleston completely to open in Tampa this season, probably depending on how they do in spring training. The wild card here might be Conor Mullee, a 2010 draftee who moved from shortstop to the mound and put up good numbers in the Gulf Coast League.
Organizational depth chart
My own rough guess. It’s far too early for the Yankees to settle on who will be where next season.
New York: Mariano Rivera, Rafael Soriano, Dave Robertson, Joba Chamberlain, Pedro Feliciano, Boone Logan, Sergio Mitre
Scranton/WB: Ryan Pope, Brian Schlitter, Mark Prior, Brian Anderson, Eric Wordekemper, Neal Cotts, Andy Sisco
Trenton: Craig Heyer, Pat Venditte, Adam Olbrychowski, Josh Schmidt, Noel Castillo, Steve Garrison, Wilkins Arias
Tampa: Tommy Kahnle, Scottie Allen, Benjamin Watkins, Ryan Flannery, Francisco Gil, Ronny Marte, Ryan Acosta
Charleston: Preston Claiborne, Chris Whitley, Conor Mullee, Danny Burawa, Kramer Sneed, Manny Barreda, Juan Marcado, Brett Gerritse
If things go to plan, the Yankees seem to have no room for either of their Rule 5 draft picks, Daniel Turpen or Robert Fish. Things also don’t look good for Romulo Sanchez, the hard-throwing right-hander who’s out of options but could make a run at beating Mitre for the long-reliever spot.
In the minor leagues, George Kontos will surely fit somewhere — probably in Scranton — if he doesn’t stick as a Rule 5 pick with the Padres. There are always more relievers than there are spots heading into spring training, and guys like Buddy Carlyle, Kevin Whelan, J.B. Cox and Phil Bartleski should also be in the running for relief spots in Double-A and Triple-A.
Figuring out lower-level bullpens is tricky to say the least. A lot of my predictions are only mildly educated guesses. Some of those assignments will ultimately be determined by spring training performance. Right now, it’s hard to know which of the 2010 college draftees will skip Charleston to open in Tampa and which of the high school draftees will be ready for a full-season assignment instead of a trip to extended spring training. It’s also hard to know what the plans are for new addition Scottie Allen — who came over in the Juan Miranda trade and has worked as both a starter and a reliever — and it’s hard to know what the Yankees will do with young guys coming back from injuries (Manny Barreda, Caleb Cotham, Gavin Brooks, Brandon Braboy, etc.).
Associated Press photo of Rivera, headshots of Robertson, Pope and Claiborne
I am intrigued by Preston Claiborne.
Chad, I was sorry to see Jonathan Ortiz leave. The Yankee version of Trevor Hoffmann (obviously a lower level). Pretty decent fastball and a really good chang-up. I don’t hold out much hope for Pat Venditte, though. he is an interesting story, though.
is brackman considered a reliever, as he will most likely break into the bigs in the bullpen? similar to phil hughes
Nick
Me too, I liked him in Tampa the few games he played in. He also graduated from Tulane with my friend. I’m hoping he makes it to Tampa next season. The starter I’m hoping starts in Tampa is Josh Romanski who was drafted first round by the Brewers and then let go after TJ surgery. He started a few games in Tampa and had some bad luck on balls in play but besides that, a good young lefty.
Nick in SF……I hedged my Jets Super Bowl ( 30 to 1 ) on today’s game + 8.5…….Also I received my invitation for the 2011 over / under pool……The by in went from $ 1, 000.00 to 2 grand……Same format which is to play all teams…..I’ll be asking for input once again as I did last season as I hit 26 teams correct…
The Yankees made it pretty clear by the way they handled Ortiz that they never saw any sort of real major league potential. I understand that scouting has to play a signficant a role, but the numbers alone suggested Ortiz deserved at least a look at a higher level. Strange situation, but clearly the organization was never impressed. He signed somewhere else this winter. San Francisco, maybe? I honestly don’t remember.
GB
I liked Venditte, he consistently ranked in the top in all reliever categories in the FSL. Not sure how he takes to AA but he was good in Tampa.
It would be awesome if big Brackman could add even more depth to the Yankee pen in the 2nd half….
Chad
I got to see a lot of Ortiz in Tampa and was actually surprised they didn’t resign him. I hope he dominates. I think he got picked up by oakland
I believe Ortiz ended up in Oakland, didn’t he?
By the way, for those unfamiliar with Ortiz, how about these numbers…
256 innings, 335 strikeouts, 50 walks, 93 saves, 2.04 ERA, 0.922 WHIP
He was positively dominant in Charleston and Tampa, but he never got so much as an inning in Trenton.
I love that Pete Abe’s Pats are getting stomped so far…
And Ruby’s Pats as well.
Glad to hear. I don’t like the Angels, but do like Morales. He *should* to come back 100%, but I agree, he could start slowly. However, he was well on his way to putting up stellar 2010 numbers when he got hurt. He was on pace for similar homerun production and was killing righties. So, I would think 2009 could be his norm.
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His OPS was much lower in 2010. And its not like he was injured to explain away his performance drop. He broke his leg. He also sucks hitting righty: .255 .287 .403 .690 career vs LHP. Hit well with no power in 2009 vs LHP but then .208 .256 .292 .548 in 2010. Its obvious he has a weakness there.
Morales is a good hitter but just getting him back isn’t going to turn the Angels into the class of the west. Oakland has such a spacious homefield and a ton of great pitching now, and the Rangers are going to be good again.
Much like the central, I see a 3 team race that will come down to the end.
Romanski did really well in his first year as a pitcher. Does nothing special other than throwing strikes. He’ll be of interest in another year or so, hopefully.
Not seeing Mitre in a starter role. Long relief …… yes.
Still need a No. 4 starter from outside. Let Phelps, Noesi, and Mitchell develop at AAA in the event any are needed due to injuries which almost always happen.
Feel good about Brackman in the bullpen sometime around mid season.
“I still hold out hope for a Joba Chamberlain for Edwin Jackson or Mark Buehrle, though at this point I’m just about ready to side with the Joba as a starter crowd first.”
DaSaint007-
i think joba’s trade value needs to be rehabilitated before he’s worth anything is a trade.
the only way to do that is to start him so it’s inexplicable to me that he’s relegated to middle relief by cashman.
maybe ownership will step in and let the other shoe drop after telling cashman to get soriano and tell him to put joba back in the rotation.
i could easily see hank doing that, and in this case i think he’d be right .
I’m going to keep watching:
Andrew Brackman
Steve Garrison
Brian Schlitter
Andy Sisco
Pat Venditte
TY, here’s a 2008 interview with Romanski when he was with the Brewer organization.
http://brewersnation.wordpress.....-romanski/
randy, I think you’re right. Let JC use ST to show if he’s capable of starting again. We’re only asking for 4th or 5th starter material for petes sake.
Having Brackman and others at Scranton and Trenton is all the more reason that if another starter isn’t aquired and Pettite retires that they should give Joba another try in the rotation.
GB
I read that interview. Sad they lost faith in him but I hope he finds his mojo here. He looked promising in his few starts in Tampa, like I said I’m looking forward to seeing more of him this season.
I wonder how much Ortiz’ lack of size and big fastball hurt him in the eyes of the organization?
I think that the Yanks would be reluctant to put Brackman in the bullpen without first giving him a chance to establish himself as a starter. He was a first round pick whom they have carried on the 40-man roster through his Tommy John rehab and throughout his entire minor league career. They have an unusually high amount of both money and ML roster time invested in him to not try to get maximum value (rotation) from him.
Keep us updated, TY. A 4th round ouck in 2008 with the lowly brewers is a good pick. 5 pitch pitcher. He did move up Charleston to Tampa in his first year, so maybe he gets a better shot than Ortiz.
After seeing the contract ownership have to a reliever in Soriano I would very much doubt they are for Joba starting.
***A 4th round draft pick***
Jets need to go back to man-to-man coverage.
I think Ortiz’s FB velocity was always in question for Yanks. Reason he didn’t get a true shot.
Brackman has already somewhat re-established himself as a starter with his 2010 season. If he pitches well in the SWB rotation to start 2011 then a big league call up to the Yankee pen doesn’t mean he’s a reliever forever….just that he’s ready to help the Yankees.
No pressure at all. Predictable result.
Brackman I can see out of bullpen late, but with his stuff you have to think they want him as a starter as long as his changeup keeps evolving. No way they should prematurely “joba” him, as they shouldn’t have done with Joba.
I’d hate to see both Joba and AJ in the rotation. I cringe whenever either pitches. If they both were to have horrible starts a couple of times in a row you burn out your bullpen, thereby nullifying that team strength as well.
Blake and feminista, I agree. Brackman could temporarily break in as a reliever.
How about we at least let Burnett and Chamberlain get to ST before declaring their 2011 seasons a disaster.
Where does the $46m man reside? As a starter or reliever? This will be Igawa’s fifth year with the organization. He’s the all-time leader in Scranton wins.
“I think Ortiz’s FB velocity was always in question for Yanks”
how did he get so many strikeouts ? change up?
BTW – $26m went to the Hanshin Tigers, $20m to Igawa.
I have no problem with either AJ or Chamberlain starting, and certainly not at the same time.
Yes, Brack’s too valuable as a starter to relegate him until that point when we have no choice. But out of pen to late in the season with Yanks, I am fine with.
Nice Cotchery!
blake January 16th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Having Brackman and others at Scranton and Trenton is all the more reason that if another starter isn’t aquired and Pettite retires that they should give Joba another try in the rotation.
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If anybody should lobby for a starting role it should be Joba himself. Not a peep has been heard out of him at an opportune time like now.
If Sanchez were only more precise passing-wise.
Holmes both feet in?
Yes! Huge!
GB
I will. I knew he went high in the draft not sure which round. I’m sure if he starts in Tampa he will spend the season there with all the talent in Trenton. I also hope we get a closer as good as Ortiz.
Not everyone that does well in the minors, and this goes for all organizations, is looked at as a major league prospect
Randy, Ortiz has a good curve, a high 80s/low 90s fastball and the bugs Bunny change. He’s also about 5’9″ and 170 pounds
randy l. January 16th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
“I think Ortiz’s FB velocity was always in question for Yanks”
how did he get so many strikeouts ? change up?
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Yes, his changeup is ridiculous.
108,
I totally agree. Unless there are injury concerns we don’t know.about Joba should be ringing Cashman’s phone off the hook right now trying to find out what he needs to do to improve his role on the team…he may be doing that for all we know.
PUMPED to see Joba represent this ST
Die you Patriots die!!!!!!
Betsy, if they promote somebody like Colter Bean, they could have at least promoted Ortiz to AA.
I really think Soriano is going to have a big year – and his relationship with Mo will be very intriguing to watch. Mo is another coach and he clearly cares about mentoring Soriano
Where are Doreen and Fran? white knuckle time
“Ortiz has a good curve, a high 80s/low 90s fastball and the bugs Bunny change. He’s also about 5’9? and 170 pounds”
gb7-
i’ll never understand how a team like the yankees that’s in love with stats ignores these kind of stats because the guy that gets them in a way they don’t like and has a body that they don’t like.
he’ll probably end up in oakland or minnesota and be an example that the yankees do indeed develop pitchers.
Jets getting a little soft on the run now
Jerkface January 16th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Yes, that what I said: Morales kills *righties.* However, you are right, can’t hit lefties. But he is still pretty good. I recall something like a .606 SLG vs. righties. Still a very good player.
Pats burning a lot of clock
Right, they played soft cover on that last Pats scoring drive too. D needs to get fierce here. Nice sack.
# GreenBeret7 January 16th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
How about we at least let Burnett and Chamberlain get to ST before declaring their 2011 seasons a disaster.
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GB, I didn’t declare either pitcher’s season a disaster. However, they each have established multi-year track records of inconsistency. That creates a risk level that I believe would make it a poor judgment to go into the season having them both in the rotation. I hope that they both have great years.
The Jets are killing me.
Betsy, if they promote somebody like Colter Bean, they could have at least promoted Ortiz to AA.
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I honestly don’t see the big deal with Ortiz. I guess everyones issue is that they had him start in Charleston? He was an IFA, and spent time in the Dominican Summer league, then started in the Gulf, moved to Staten, and then got a taste of A+. Then the next season started in Charleston. Then the next season half a season in charlseton and then half a season in Tampa where he struggled. So he repeated the level in 2010 and excelled.
I guess they could have had him move up to AA but it seems like he just wasn’t a quick developer.
3.86 ERA in 4 innings, 4.67 ERA in 27 IP, then had a nice season in 2010. If his fastball is as weak as everyone says and he is as small as everyone says, I can see why he never made it to AA. Though I’m not sure the circumstances of his leaving, cut by the yankees or a MiLFA, but I guess he’d be in AA next year.
yankee they had the ball on the ground, and Pats got it back. Hope that doesn’t bite them.
4th down now
Randy, that’s what scouting by computer does for you. Whitey Ford would never stand a chance against computers.
Colter Bean spent 5 years in the minors before getting to the majors and was a college pitcher. I think being an international guy and having to spend more time developing led to his slow rise.
That might be the ballgame.
Love to see the fans of all Boston teams take one in the nuts!!
i’ll never understand how a team like the yankees that’s in love with stats ignores these kind of stats because the guy that gets them in a way they don’t like and has a body that they don’t like.
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They obviously let David Robertson and Edwar Ramirez into the majors. Don’t make sweeping generalizations about the Yankees because of Jonathon Ortiz.
GreenBeret7 January 16th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
Randy, that’s what scouting by computer does for you. Whitey Ford would never stand a chance against computers.
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Neither would Cano back when. However, if you saw that sweet swing even once, that is all you would need to know.
blake
I hope so but Brady is like the living dead
Jets need to go after it here.
Should have been a personal foul on NE.
I think the Pats played that a bit too calmly….they burned too much clock with that drive to come away empty.
Jets will win if they don’t give up a quick strike here.
So it’s ok to dump a player because of one bad half season? Screw your useless numbers.
Shades of Matt Dodge, kick the stupid thing out of bounds
JETS buckling under hurry up offense.
Gary, Exactly
nothing against the jets here, but they are proving the nfl needs a rule to stop teams from faking injuries to stop the hurry-up offense, other than missing one play. Should have to come out for the rest of the drive.
So it’s ok to dump a player because of one bad half season? Screw your useless numbers.
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I don’t know if you’re responding to me or not, but thank you for the vitriol. I don’t have any stance in ortiz vs the Yankees, just showing why its likely the Yankees didn’t bring him back and why its not a big deal. I’m not going to look at who was blocking him in AA, but from his prior A+ numbers he needed to show more ability at the level and then he did and then… they let him go or didn’t.
Actually I just looked it up. He was a minor league free agent, so maybe Oakland offered him a better deal.
I’d like it better if NE didn’t have those two TO’s
I’m confused by what I’m reading in this thread. We’ve gone from wondering why they dropped Ortiz to declaring why without the intermediary step of providing evidence.
Is it possible that Ortiz wasn’t dumped just because of numbers but rather because the human scouts had their own opinions about him? If his numbers were so good, wouldn’t the computers have liked him?
I blame Nardi; he didn’t rave.
Coughlin oh excuse me Ryan make sure you have the hands team out there.
COnsider this: They signed Ortiz in 2004 and he didn’t pitch stateside until 2007. There is more at work here than simply Ortiz having a good change up.
Is it possible that Ortiz wasn’t dumped just because of numbers but rather because the human scouts had their own opinions about him?
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If a human scout messes up, its the computers fault.
I like Ortiz and was rooting for him. However, the Yankees have been pretty vocal about his lack of FB velocity, and were hoping it would go up a couple of ticks over time. I guess it hasn’t.
Wooo hhhhoooooo! It better have gone 10.
Wow…cant believe they didn’t kick it deep there with 2 timeouts.
Pretty stupid call by a usually smart coach, kick it deep play defense. Thanks Bill
This is exactly why I don’t think scouts should be allowed to use blackberries.
The human toll is too great.
The Party is over……………………………………….
We’re going to Pittsburgh!
Bill has made some questionable.calls in big games the last couple years.
Patriots v. Falcons in the Consolation Game is going to be a war.
Everyone says Ortiz’s fastball is 87-89. Meh.
Jets/Steelers, Bears/Packers should be interesting. Could be two snow bowls.
After the Giants beat the Pats in 2007 SB the Pats aren’t the same team. Teams know if they come in and get after Brady they have a decent shot of winning. Of course the G men haven’t been the same team either.
I saw Ortiz and in my totally unprofessional opinion I say that I don’t like that they let him go. I don’t know anything more about him than what I saw of him last season. But after that season I might have kept him around. Without him I’m confident the Tampa Yankees wouldn’t have won the championships.
Pinstripes Plus has this to say about Ortiz: He’s a softer throwing Edwar Ramirez type….a Bugs Bunny like changeup that moves a ton, a fastball that’s more 87-89 mph, and a slider that isn’t very good.
A softer throwing Edwar Ramirez? But yea, the yankees messed up and now Oakland is going to have the next Trevor Hoffman.
Onside kick time. 24 seconds.
weather will have a big impact on the conference championships
Cromartie and Rivas! SHUT UP BRADY!!!
Nice win for the Jets. If they get to the Super Bowl then Id say they will have earned it having won at NE then at Heinz Field in back to back weeks.
My daughter just told me the Jets won????
OMG!!!!
I DVR’d it. Now I can watch. Lol
It’s like reincarnation.
Trevor Hoffman retires and the new Trevor Hoffman is born.
Jets trolling the patriots fans with their touchdown celebration was classic. Also Rex obviously not caring about the unsportsmanlike penalty.
Holmes catch – unreal!!!!!
OK, I admit it. I’m a Rex Ryan believer.
Doreen I was wondering where you where
Nothing like talkin’ trash and backing it up! LOVE IT!!!
Peyton Manning who? Tom Brady who? I’ll take the fat man in the green hat!!!!
Well Sox stunk in 2010, Boston folk thought Pats were a sure thing. Has to be absolute shock up there. Delightful!! I guess the still have the Celts.
All I can say is WOW. What a great game by the Jets.
Back in the AFC championship game. They can talk all they want
Goig to watch the post game show on SNY.
I wish that all sports would put some teeth into the no-showboating. no taunting rules. A stiff fine, automatic ejection and a one game suspension. It increases with every infraction up to 5 in a season and then a 1 year suspension. I could never stand it after Reggie Jackson started this trend.
Belichick’s on ESPNNews for anyone who cares.
Gary -
Just out all day. Got home about 6:30 and was watching To Sir With Love.
Checked in here and decided I was too tired to concentrate on any of the conversation. LOL
GB7 -
In yesterday’s game Ray Rice had a “showboat” moment after he score the first TD. He is from Rutgers and my husband mentioned that when he played there, he was a humble guy – never did that kind of stuff. Now, I understand in college there are penalties for that, so perhaps he was just able to keep it underwraps.
I simply don’t understand the mindset of the showboat. Don’t you want people to think you’ve been there before and you expect to be there again? Why make it seem like you’re such a rube that this is the only time you’ll ever (score a TD, hit a HR, strike a guy out, etc.) do whatever??
Doreen, one of these days, that stuff is not only cost a team a win, but a title. Perhaps that will stop it. That last one of that idiot rolling around on the grass and then going into a fetal position was beyond stupid, childish and tasteless. It’s as bad as in basketball with these idiots hanging and swinging on the rim, or these jerks that stand at the plate posing or pointing to the batters for finally getting a strikeout. I don’t care what team it is.
Ever watch Mantle after hittiing a 500 footer? Head down and never looking at the pitcher.
Like you said, “Act like you’ve done it before.”
P. Abe will take his Patsie frustrations out on A-Rod.
Lets go Steelers
Oh please! The Jets were supposed to get trounced and they score a put-away TD and they’re not supposed to celebrate? Big deal. If you walk the walk, talk trash and celebrate all you want.
BTW -
What happened in the Bears game? I was eating out and the television showed a player being taken off the field in a stretcher, but there was no sound and I didn’t see the play.
J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets!!!!!!!!!!!!!
at least the Jets will finally play a team with a good defense and a mobile QB
I simply don’t understand the mindset of the showboat. Don’t you want people to think you’ve been there before and you expect to be there again?
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Showboating is cool. I like when my teams players show boat and hate when the other teams players show boat. I want Cano to do a sweet bat flip when he hits a HR, or Joba to fist pump after getting out of a jam. Lincecum striking out the side or whatever with a guy at 3rd in the playoffs and walking off the field shouting ‘STAY THERE!’ was classic.
Nice win for the Jets. If they get to the Super Bowl then Id say they will have earned it having won at NE then at Heinz Field in back to back weeks.
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Talk about understatement.
How could any Yankee fan embrace showboating is beyond me
Muhammad Ali the most popular athlete in the world stood gloating over Sonny Liston. Nothing wrong with it as long as it’s nothing vulgar or offensive.
West Coast Yankee Fan,
Like Cromartie calling Brady an Ahole?
Jerkface
I loved when Lincecum did that in the playoffs. If he had yelled at me like that I probably would have been too shocked to move.
How could any Yankee fan embrace showboating is beyond me
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The same Yankees that employed Reggie Jackson, Rickey Henderson, Roger Clemens, Babe Ruth?
Posada at 2nd base doubling off Pedro was amazing.
Like I said, New England defense no great shakes
:D:D
Jerkface,
What did Posada do??? He got up and clapped his hands? How did Clemens showboat?
Maybe, but when Lincecum made the ‘bong hit’ symbol on the mound, that crossed the line.
Why Nick? He plays is SF and it’s common smack talk about him smoking pot. It was humorous.
What did Posada do??? He got up and clapped his hands? How did Clemens showboat?
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uh the iconic Jorge, rumbling into 2nd then standing and yelling in full fury at the dugout?
Posada was emoting though, he wasn’t showboating. He wasn’t intentionally showing up the opposition, as much as being intense and expressive, as is his m.o.
I’m agreeing with JF. Where’s my nitroglycerin pills.
Clemens was an angry man on the mound, he fist pumped, he yelled. Theres only so many ways for baseball players to showboat. But since what is being asked is for players to ignore that they have even done anything at all, I think fist pumps and etc fall into that category.
And I thought the prince fielder walk off celebration was tits, and Ichiro’s off of Mariano was good too (even if I hated it)
Um, it was a joke. He never did that.
I’m going over here now.
Jerkface,
Talk to me when Posada does a back flip after a game or when Girardi runs out onto the field to celebrate when the game is still going on
Posada was emoting though, he wasn’t showboating. He wasn’t intentionally showing up the opposition, as much as being intense and expressive, as is his m.o.
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Show me any celebration in baseball that fits your description of showboating then. It doesn’t really happen. And in football players celebrate their touchdown. They aren’t demeaning the other team, which is how this whole conversation got started.
All I’ll say is there’s a difference between celebrating and showboating. I understand some people like it. I don’t. I don’t know why everything here has to be an argument.
” But yea, the yankees messed up and now Oakland is going to have the next Trevor Hoffman.”
jerkface-
what do the a’s know about pitching? anyone could pitch in that park.
real men pitch in yankee stadium.
Talk to me when Posada does a back flip after a game or when Girardi runs out onto the field to celebrate when the game is still going on
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Coaches run onto the field in football all the time. Ozzie Smith did a flip on the field, jeez who cares? The game is over.
Atleast in football the players shake hands, In baseball the winning team high fives each other and talks about how much ass they just kicked.
The A’s didn’t want Chad Gaudin.
All I’ll say is there’s a difference between celebrating and showboating. I understand some people like it. I don’t. I don’t know why everything here has to be an argument.
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Because you have one opinion and others have a different opinion, thus we must fight to the death about it. Slow day anyways, why not talk about showboating.
Joba pumps his fist, and then the Huff hit a HR off Joba and pumped his fist. I like that rivalry. Joba shouldn’t let Orioles hit HRs off of him.
Jerkface,
what other football coache runs into the endzone when the game is still going on?
For instance, if the TD Rice had scored was with seconds left on the clock, was game-winning, or something somehow outside the norm, I could understand. There was a whole lot of game left to play – too much to act that way.
Standing to admire a hit never plays well. I don’t care if it’s Cano or Manny. How many times does it end up turning a double into a single? Once is too many.
what other football coache runs into the endzone when the game is still going on?
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Gruden ran down the side line on the field with Derrick Brooks on his INT return for a TD vs Oakland in the superbowl.
And football coaches go onto the field every game, you don’t know what Ryan was doing. He could have going to collect his team so they could kick a damn field goal.
I’ve seen coaches do that.
http://www.baseballamerica.com.....more-10728
Juan Marcado was released.
Marcado was on the list of Charleston pitchers.