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Yankees avoid arbitration with Hughes, Joba, Logan

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Jan 18, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

While finishing off the Rafael Soriano deal (and perhaps one with Andruw Jones), the Yankees also appear to have locked up three of their younger pitchers to new contracts ahead of the arbitration hearing dates.

Phil Hughes ($2.7 million), Joba Chamberlain ($1.4M) and Boone Logan ($1.2M) are all on the books now, according to SI’s Jon Heyman, and you’d have to say that’s a relative bargain in each case. For those who wonder why Joba – and pretty much any pitcher – would rather be a starter than a reliever, just take a look at which guy Chamberlain is closer to (Hughes or Logan) in terms of salary. Bottom line, a career as a reliever means always making less.

By the way, these three signings mean the Yankees are done with their arbitration-eligible players. The only other player was Sergio Mitre and he signed in December.

 
 

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182 Responses to “Yankees avoid arbitration with Hughes, Joba, Logan”

  1. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
    Chip January 18th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
    supposedly,mike francesa opened his show today talking about two Giants safeties.I realize the Jets have boycotted his station (which I think is unprofessional) but nothing like ignoring the biggest NY sports story.he’s a clown.

    ———————-

    Jets didn’t boycott the station – just his show because he goes head to head with ESPN 1050?s two NY based shows and 1050 is the radio home of the Jets so if Jets are going to be on the radio between 1 and 7 ESPN wants them on their station.

    Really has nothing to do with Francesa other than that he’s got better ratings than 1050.

    But you’re right – he should have opened by talking about the Jets – unless Phillips and Rolle did something that transcends sports and must be headline news.

    ///
    Oh, I see, thanks for clarifying.that’s pretty silly on the jets’ part, though even so. So don’t give him mangold & bigmouth bart scott or the more scholarly revis,send them the punter Weatherford (who was awful against New England) or someone from the team,let the stars talk to ESPN & they’ll win that competition any way. The Jets are one of two NFL teams,it’s childish to shut out francesa’s show entirely.

    ——————–

    ESPN does it with all their commodities.

    No Knicks or Rangers on WFAN except Dolan once in a while

    No ESPN personalities on WFAN

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    repost:

    “and by any standard, any serious journalist, having heard this reply, would have to ask what the nature of the personal issues was. as long as the journalist allows that the player has a right to keep that private, he is doing his job.”

    You are making an assumption that the person who wrote the story was a serious journalist. Giving that a pass, a read of the story lets you know that Martin headed it off at the pass by saying he chose to keep it personal. But that wasn’t good enough for some said west coast lightweight who apparently voiced skepticism.

    However, we’re veering off the path here since my original premise was not that the press did not have the right to ask, but rather that “the meddling press wasn’t able to get the prurient details of Martin’s life so they are using their wounded pride to try to make this into something that it isn’t.”

    And that came from Sam’s saying: “Now, since Martin wouldn’t specify what those issues were (or even give any kind of general category – family health, for example), it’s hard to know how legitimate an explanation that is. And, as we see here, there is at least one writer in Los Angeles (Martin’s former home) who is skeptical about Martin so simply explaining away his lack of production for the Dodgers.”

    ***********************

    J. Alfred – if you want to see some gorgeous photos of the Jets-Pats game, go here. You will especially enjoy the first one in the group, I am sure!

    :)

    http://www.boston.com/sports/f.....ff_photos/

  3. BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    It’s coming down to the final strokes before ST…not much more to do…Sign Jones, make some invites, move Joba to rotation, pick up case of beer and pizza–and Cashman’s work is done.

  4. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
    It isn’t the trading of prospects that I object to, it’s the quality and quantity above what others are paying for the same player. With what Seattle ask for from NY to what they received from Texas for Lee was absurd. It was the same with the Greinke deal. when the asking price is beyond stupid, slam the receiver down.

    ———————

    Is it possible that our opinion of Yankee prospects is skewed based on the fact that we follow them as much as we do?

    We may see Jesus Montero as a can’t miss bat but someone in Seattle may see a guy without a position a guy who sounds an awful like like Jeff Clement to them.

    We may think that Boston got Adrian Gonzalez for a song – but in Boston they may talk about Kelly and the other prospects the way we talk about Dellin Betances and Gary Sanchez.

    We see teams asking for a lot more from the Yankees in trades, but don’t you think in other cities they are thinking the same thing about their prospects and wondering – how did the Yankees get Curtis Granderson for an OF who strikes out too much with no power, a lefty reliever and a back of the rotation starter?

  5. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Back to the last topic: It isn’t the trading of prospects that I object to, it’s the quality and quantity above what others are paying for the same player. With what Seattle ask for from NY to what they received from Texas for Lee was absurd. It was the same with the Greinke deal. when the asking price is beyond stupid, slam the receiver down.

  6. pat January 18th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    At a speaking engagement today….

    Cashman on Andy……………..?Andy has talking about being home for years,? said Cashman. ?Being from Texas and having to be in New York for six months out of the year can be hard because he has kids and he?s missing important time with them. He?s opting not to play right now but that might change it might not. I told him don?t ?Brett Favre? us. You got to be all in and fully dedicated to play. Do I need him? I need him, but I don?t want him to play if his heart?s not in it.?

    A new mental training program as part of spring training……. ?They are learning things like being a good teammate,? said Cashman. ?We bring in navy seals to talk to our guys. We want to make sure that the guys know that the guy standing next to them is as all in as they are.?

    http://middletownpress.com/art.....=fullstory

  7. hardwired7 January 18th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Still some left in the coffers. Yanks at about $195M (counting Igawa’s $4M):

    http://spreadsheets.google.com.....utput=html

  8. YsGuy January 18th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    francessa never gives the jets credit, or when he does, he takes it back immidiatly with some complaint. he’s precipitated this jet’s fued for 2 years now. and i think its been really good for the ratings. jets fans just love to call in and argue with him.

    personally i dont care, im a giants fan, the last thing i want to hear is jet’s (or giant’s) players talking by phone, its terrible radio. but its noticable how francessa slights the jets every turn he gets and the jets dont handle it well.

  9. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    If our opinion of certain prospects are so skewed, why is it that every team that attempts a trae for their players wants the same prospects…Montero, Nunez, Nova, Betances and Banuelos.

  10. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
    It isn’t the trading of prospects that I object to, it’s the quality and quantity above what others are paying for the same player. With what Seattle ask for from NY to what they received from Texas for Lee was absurd. It was the same with the Greinke deal. when the asking price is beyond stupid, slam the receiver down.

    ———————

    Is it possible that our opinion of Yankee prospects is skewed based on the fact that we follow them as much as we do?

    We may see Jesus Montero as a can’t miss bat but someone in Seattle may see a guy without a position a guy who sounds an awful like like Jeff Clement to them.

    We may think that Boston got Adrian Gonzalez for a song – but in Boston they may talk about Kelly and the other prospects the way we talk about Dellin Betances and Gary Sanchez.

    We see teams asking for a lot more from the Yankees in trades, but don’t you think in other cities they are thinking the same thing about their prospects and wondering – how did the Yankees get Curtis Granderson for an OF who strikes out too much with no power, a lefty reliever and a back of the rotation starter?

  11. BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    Doesn’t Fatso do that to the Mets too?

  12. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
    If our opinion of certain prospects are so skewed, why is it that every team that attempts a trae for their players wants the same prospects…Montero, Nunez, Nova, Betances and Banuelos.

    —————

    There’s no questioning that those are the best prospects in the Yankee system. What I meant by “skewed” is that it’s possible we think more highly of them than others around the league do.

    They may agree that Montero is the best Yankee hitter in the system and so they want him, but they’re not as convinced of his ability to play a position as they are of say a Justin Smoak.

    They may believe that Manny B is the top Yankee pitcher but don’t think he’s as good as Casey Kelly.

    We, as Yankee fans, would argue those points – but we’re not exactly objective on the topic.

  13. Sweet Swinging Cano January 18th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Not a bad payday for Hughes.

  14. Doreen January 18th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    pat -

    Thanks.

    I am intrigued by the mental training.

    ****

    Chip -

    When the Cliff Lee to Yankees deal appeared imminent, I happened to be listening to MLB on XM and they were speaking with a Seattle reporter (I’m almost certain it was a beat writer adn nto a team official). They were excited about the prospect of Montero being on the Mariners. He talked about how he could be either a catcher or a 1B or a DH for them as if it were a positive, not a negative. There was absolutely no disappointment voiced toward the Seattle Mariner front office if they were able to get Montero.

  15. J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    J. Alfred – if you want to see some gorgeous photos of the Jets-Pats game, go here. You will especially enjoy the first one in the group, I am sure!

    http://www.boston.com/sports/f…..ff_photos/

    ///
    Trisha,I got caught between entries again :( . Thanks,Billy B. looks like he wants to take a dive into the Charles in cement overshoes.like I said in last thread,your party story where you had to pretend to be rooting for the Pats was hilarious!

  16. Mell January 18th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    “If our opinion of certain prospects are so skewed, why is it that every team that attempts a trae for their players wants the same prospects…Montero, Nunez, Nova, Betances and Banuelos.”

    Isn’t that true of all teams though? Everyone always at least inquires about the other team’s top prospects, usually with an emphasis on high end pitching.

  17. J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Chip,wow I didn’t realize that.that’s pretty small town IMO. I don’t pay much attention to BB & hockey.

  18. Sweet Swinging Cano January 18th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    In other news, Gil Meche has retired.

  19. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
    Doesn’t Fatso do that to the Mets too?

    ————-

    Yeah but WFAN is the radio home of the Mets so it would make no sense for them to not be on his show. Even so – the only Met represntative to regularly appear is the manager.

    Think about this – he’s the number one sports show on the radio and his regular spots from the teams consist of:

    Girardi
    Met Manager
    Justin Tuck

    His station is the radio home of the Giants and Mets and he doesn’t get Coughlin, Eli or David Wright – how is that possible?

    He did once fire Jeremy Shockey from doing his show because Shockey would sometimes call in late.

  20. yankeefeminista January 18th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    yankeefeminista January 18th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
    repost: trisha – true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    J. Alfred – if you want to see some gorgeous photos of the Jets-Pats game, go here. You will especially enjoy the first one in the group, I am sure!

    http://www.boston.com/sports/f…..ff_photos/
    ________
    lol. How are my “peeps” in Little Rhody doing two days later.

  21. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
    Chip,wow I didn’t realize that.that’s pretty small town IMO. I don’t pay much attention to BB & hockey.

    ———————-

    ESPN has a major inferiority complex when it comes to Francesa. They have tried a lot of different ways to compete with him and nothing’s worked. Like him or dislike him, can’t argue with his success.

  22. Bronx Jeers January 18th, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    Last week Francesca basically denied the Jets even the slightest chance of winning.

    Why? Because they had no pass rush. :lol:

    Todays pinch hitter was G Love ? That’s cool. No wonder people enjoyed it so much.

  23. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    J. Al and feminista – it has truly been lovely. It’s the kind of quiet here that can only be appreciated by someone who is in love with its cause. Beautiful snow on the ground and on the trees, more gently falling, that still beauty of winter now unburdened by garish signs on the side of every storefront and gas station saying “GO PATS!”

    :D

  24. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    The other teams inquire about all of those prospects but demanding all of them in the same trade is idiotic. That’s the difference.

    In the Lee and Greinke deals, one of the players traded in each deal has long rap sheets. Do you think these teams would accept a Yankee player with that history? Not a chance. They’re still going by the old system that the Yankees will trade everyone for a name player. Thankfully, Cashman and the front office is stopping that stupidity.

  25. yankeefeminista January 18th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
    If our opinion of certain prospects are so skewed, why is it that every team that attempts a trae for their players wants the same prospects…Montero, Nunez, Nova, Betances and Banuelos.
    ______
    Quoted for truth. Especially at the higher levels as players get closer to the majors. You can differentiate to a certain point. It isn’t all smoke and mirrors, once players progress.

  26. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Mell January 18th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
    “If our opinion of certain prospects are so skewed, why is it that every team that attempts a trae for their players wants the same prospects…Montero, Nunez, Nova, Betances and Banuelos.”

    Isn’t that true of all teams though? Everyone always at least inquires about the other team’s top prospects, usually with an emphasis on high end pitching.

    ——————

    I think he misunderstood my use of the word “skewed.” I meant that the value of the top Yankee prospects isn’t as highly regarded around the league as it is within the Yankee fan base.

    Everyone agrees on who the best Yankee prospects are – but while we would rather have Jesus Montero than Justin Smoak that may not be the view in other organizations. And I’m sure there were a lot of Padres fans (for example) who cringed at the thought of giving up what we would consider a paltry amount for Jason Bartlett.

  27. yankeefeminista January 18th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
    J. Al and feminista – it has truly been lovely. It’s the kind of quiet here that can only be appreciated by someone who is in love with its cause. Beautiful snow on the ground and on the trees, more gently falling, that still beauty of winter now unburdened by garish signs on the side of every storefront and gas station saying “GO PATS!”
    ________
    Ah, sounds divine. I see a winter trip to New England in the tea leaves. :)

  28. Sweet Swinging Cano January 18th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Team know in the past the Yankees view prospects as very expendable. So they refuse to budge on that stance.

  29. YsGuy January 18th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    francessa is definitly not as slighting of the mets as he is of the jets. he does a weekly show with the mets manager and most mets fans seem to think he always went too easy on jerry. he has stepped it up this winter though saying that the mets are going to have a very empty stadium if they keep charging new york prices but dont put a new york caliber team on the field.

  30. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Anyone with “true” New York blood coursing through their veins will want to look at these pictures.

    :)

    http://www.boston.com/sports/f.....ff_photos/

    Actually there are some gorgeous photos in there, great game shots.

  31. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    If San Diego and Hoyer were smart, they would have waited until Tampa DFA’d Bartlett. It was coming. Tampa screwed up giving him that kind of contract anyway. He was never going to reach those numbers again.

  32. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
    The other teams inquire about all of those prospects but demanding all of them in the same trade is idiotic. That’s the difference.

    In the Lee and Greinke deals, one of the players traded in each deal has long rap sheets. Do you think these teams would accept a Yankee player with that history? Not a chance. They’re still going by the old system that the Yankees will trade everyone for a name player. Thankfully, Cashman and the front office is stopping that stupidity.

    ———————–

    It’s not that idiotic. Take the Lee deal for a second – Seattle in the end wanted Nova, Nunez, Montero and I forget who the fourth player was – Warren or McAllister…

    If you’re Seattle what are you getting:

    1. A good bat prospect with no position
    2. A SS who is having a strong campaign but may not be more than a utility infielder
    3. 1 mid to back of the rotation SP
    4. A minor league pitcher

    If you’re the Yankees what are you giving up:

    1. A tremendous hitter who will catch enough to stay at the position and hit like Miggy Cabrera
    2. A future SS with a good bat and terrific glove
    3. An evenutal #3 starter
    4. a minor league pitcher with tremendous upside.

    Somewhere in the middle exists the truth.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
    If our opinion of certain prospects are so skewed, why is it that every team that attempts a trae for their players wants the same prospects…Montero, Nunez, Nova, Betances and Banuelos.

    ///
    right.there are several criteria for deciding what the odds are for a prospect’s success.first of all,if the player is universally considered a great hitting prospect (montero),rather than just promoted by some faction or other,you lean in & listen. secondly,if you go see the player & what you witness not only corroborates what you hear,but resoundingly confirms it,& thirdly,if the player goes nuts,like montero did once he adjusted to AAA,& to your point,if everyone’s trying to pry him away from you,then the only view that is “skewed” is the Debbie Downer “realist” view that ignores the “evidence” and thinks every yankee prospect is bound to disappoint & we should send him out with a ribbon wrapped around him,regardless of who he is, for a “real” major leaguer,even if that guy is in his mid-30s,or is a toe the line to mediocrity type talent.

  34. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    “Ah, sounds divine. I see a winter trip to New England in the tea leaves. :)

    feminista, where are you now? I know you appreciate the beauty of NE in the winter. It really is beautiful. Things of course always can add or detract from the beauty. Right now the Pats and their flagging cousins the Celtics have enhanced my enjoyment immeasurably!

  35. YsGuy January 18th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    francessa has had coughlin on alot, and always treats him with respect.

    he used to have mike tannenbaum on regularly till after the indy game last year. thats when he really started knocking the jets and their fans for not admitting that the colts gave them the game and stating pretty regularly that the jets got into the playoffs on a gift.

    thats when the jets started pulling guests from his show.

  36. J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    They’re still going by the old system that the Yankees will trade everyone for a name player.

    ///
    this is the very definition of the anti-”prospect hugger.”that guy is just as wrong as this alleged species I keep hearing about that thinks they are all going to turn into ARod and CC.

  37. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    YsGuy January 18th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
    francessa has had coughlin on alot, and always treats him with respect.

    he used to have mike tannenbaum on regularly till after the indy game last year. thats when he really started knocking the jets and their fans for not admitting that the colts gave them the game and stating pretty regularly that the jets got into the playoffs on a gift.

    thats when the jets started pulling guests from his show.

    ——————

    Tannenbaum stopped doing his show because Mike was an arse to him – but the players never really went on and then ESPN came down with the marching orders that no one was allowed to do his show.

  38. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    As for Coughlin – I only really hear him on the show maybe once or twice a season – usually when Francesa makes his trip to Albany for training camp in the summer and then again as a wrap up to the season.

  39. Mell January 18th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    “Everyone agrees on who the best Yankee prospects are – but while we would rather have Jesus Montero than Justin Smoak that may not be the view in other organizations.”

    Well, I happen to think Seattle missed the boat badly on this one. Jury’s still out on Smoak, but he was beginning to build up a resume that suggested the substance wasn’t going to measure up to the hype. Yet, as you say, lot of this stuff is in the eye of the beholder. FWIW, I don’t necessarily think the fans are overrating the high end guys, such as Montero and Banuelos. I think we’re probably more guilty of overrating the players the next tier down.

  40. YsGuy January 18th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    in the end, it all goes back to parcells. mike and bill are saratoga buddies.

  41. yankeefeminista January 18th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    Chip January 18th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
    Mell January 18th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
    “If our opinion of certain prospects are so skewed, why is it that every team that attempts a trae for their players wants the same prospects…Montero, Nunez, Nova, Betances and Banuelos.”

    Isn’t that true of all teams though? Everyone always at least inquires about the other team’s top prospects, usually with an emphasis on high end pitching.

    ——————

    I think he misunderstood my use of the word “skewed.” I meant that the value of the top Yankee prospects isn’t as highly regarded around the league as it is within the Yankee fan base.

    Everyone agrees on who the best Yankee prospects are – but while we would rather have Jesus Montero than Justin Smoak that may not be the view in other organizations. And I’m sure there were a lot of Padres fans (for example) who cringed at the thought of giving up what we would consider a paltry amount for Jason Bartlett.
    _____
    Well, some of us actually like to watch our competitors’ prospects play as well. ;) I especially try to see the Rays, Red Sox and Jays prospects, among others, as much as possible.

    However, as far as home team bias goes, it depends on who we are talking about. Some fans may overrate their own, probably a little normal. However, some do the opposite and are really hard on their own prospects. Also, for the serious prospect “nerd” there are scouting reports, annual lists, etc. However, seeing players and making your own judgments is the best policy, supplemented by stats and lists. And some of those “objective” scouting reports too derive from personal connections and “biases.”

    However, I just don’t get the vitriolic reaction toward those of us who follow the prospects. And “prospect hugging” is a derisive term, as well as an inaccurate one. 90% of the prospects are neither hugged nor “hyped” by those who follow them. In fact, I would say the reverse that those people who don’t follow the prospects tend to magnify the prospect “hugging” that does go on, maybe b/c they themselves don’t differentiate between prospects.

  42. DaSaint007 January 18th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Hello all.

    First, let me say great job G. Love. That piece was well written, entertaining, and worthy of discussion! You’ll have to give me some pointers one day on screenwriting.

    Second, welcome back SJ. We miss you around here.

    Third, Chip is so right in observing that good players are hitting FA less and less these days. Teams are locking up their young talent to long term deals which include buying out their arb years in many cases. Its more important than ever to be able to evaluate your young talent and lock them up. Players like Cano are never going to see FA.

    Fourth, GB is also right in his assesment that teams ask more from the Yankees than other teams. Seattle did it as did the Royals, and players do it also when it comes to salaries. From the Yankees a reliever may ask for $4M, while from another team he’ll accept $3M. Guess it goes with the territory with being the NYY, but it’s frustrating to watch.

    Last, I thought Huges would have gotten closer to $4M, but I guess his time in the pen hampered his value, which leads me to Joba. If he wants to make the big bucks, he better use this as incentive as much as anything else otherwise, he’ll continue to be just an average middle reliever and treated/paid as such.

    Good job by Cash & Co. on coming to terms on all three so quickly.

    Now just get us a starter.

  43. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    In one year the farm system has gone from bottom 10 to top 5 according to those that rate systems. Not everyone is wrong.

  44. yankeefeminista January 18th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
    “Ah, sounds divine. I see a winter trip to New England in the tea leaves. ”

    feminista, where are you now? I know you appreciate the beauty of NE in the winter. It really is beautiful. Things of course always can add or detract from the beauty. Right now the Pats and their flagging cousins the Celtics have enhanced my enjoyment immeasurably!
    _____
    I am out in NJ near rolling hills and horse country. Very pretty too. However, while in New England for a good chunk of undergrad and grad school, I was mostly in the cities, Boston, Providence, and Newport, RI

  45. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    This makes me sick – with the Greinke and DeJesus trades and the retirement of Meche – the KC Payroll this season stands at $30 mil.

  46. yankeefeminista January 18th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    YsGuy January 18th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
    *francessa is definitly not as slighting of the mets as he is of the jets.* he does a weekly show with the mets manager and most mets fans seem to think he always went too easy on jerry. he has stepped it up this winter though saying that the mets are going to have a very empty stadium if they keep charging new york prices but dont put a new york caliber team on the field.
    ____
    I would think not, considering WFAN is the Mets station.

  47. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    J. Al, that was tough. I truly don’t ever want to hurt the feelings of my siblings, and I know how devoted to the Pats they are. Heck, they’ve gone to games and sat in that wind tunnel in the snow. They don’t miss watching a game on television. They get together to watch them during the regular season! They’re Pats freaks!

    However, we all have our limits. :) I’m still not sure that one of my sisters didn’t catch my unwitting “GO!” when Tomlison caught a long pass and when Edwards was running in for the TD. You KNOW I didn’t do that on purpose. I’m only hoping I covered it well with all of the other false enthusiasm and then feigned disappointment at the end of the game.

    :)

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Bronx Jeers January 18th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
    Last week Francesca basically denied the Jets even the slightest chance of winning.

    Why? Because they had no pass rush.

    Todays pinch hitter was G Love ? That’s cool. No wonder people enjoyed it so much.

    ///

    Ellis played like he was eight years younger.I don’t see how anyone thought New England was a slam dunk,with that defense.& Jets D,though it sorely misses Jenkins to the point where the line just isn’t the kind to get the backers into positive isolation (they have to do it all by themselves),they do have good backers and the Jets secondary,somewhat hampered now without Leonard,has one great DB & another who can bring it from time to time.Jets also have 2 big play wideouts & a solid talented one in Cotchery,plus two good runners.the QB is always the wild card,but he seems to always find a stretch of game or important drive where he shines.whoever thought New England was going to run away from the Jets really wasn’t paying attention.

  49. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    yankeefeminista January 18th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
    _____
    Well, some of us actually like to watch our competitors’ prospects play as well. I especially try to see the Rays, Red Sox and Jays prospects, among others, as much as possible.

    However, as far as home team bias goes, it depends on who we are talking about. Some fans may overrate their own, probably a little normal. However, some do the opposite and are really hard on their own prospects. Also, for the serious prospect “nerd” there are scouting reports, annual lists, etc. However, seeing players and making your own judgments is the best policy, supplemented by stats and lists. And some of those “objective” scouting reports too derive from personal connections and “biases.”

    However, I just don’t get the vitriolic reaction toward those of us who follow the prospects. And “prospect hugging” is a derisive term, as well as an inaccurate one. 90% of the prospects are neither hugged nor “hyped” by those who follow them. In fact, I would say the reverse that those people who don’t follow the prospects tend to magnify the prospect “hugging” that does go on, maybe b/c they themselves don’t differentiate between prospects.

    —————

    I’m not saying don’t follow the prospects. I’m not saying we should trade away every prospect we have in search of quick fixes.

    What I’m saying is that there needs to be a happy middle ground between the people who think every prospect is going to a) play for the Yankees and b) be a legit major leaguer and the people who want to trade Jesus Montero for Heath Bell.

    For example – yesterday I suggested that if the Yankees could get Brett Myers from the Astros for Nunez and Romine they should do it – and I was set upon by a poster asking how I could give up the SS of the future?

    The answer is this – I can replace Nunez. He may be the SS of the future but the SS of the present is still here so why am I going to worry about 3 or 4 years from now? By then we can develop another SS or acquire one.

  50. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Simon, I thought the three Yankees got a little more than I was figuring . I had it at about a quarter of a million lower on each three.

    Players like Laird and to a certain extent, Nunez and Phelps may be only average or a little lower, but, right now, if anything happens to Jeter or Rodriguez long term, there isn’t any better in the system and none on the market without getting raped in a deal for. I wouldn’t traded Nunez straight up for Keppinger, who’s now getting $2.5 mil and just had foot surgery and is out for up to 4 months.

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    trisha – good stuff. hope they don’t read the blog, then ;) .

  52. SJ44 January 18th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    GLove wrote the guest piece today?

    Very cool! It was funny and very well written.

    It’s sports people. The “amusement park” of life. It’s supposed to be fun and I’m glad GLove added the humorous touches to the piece.

    It beats the hysterical ramblings of why the Yankees can’t have a 300 million dollar payroll, Albert Pujols, and 10 guys in AAA waiting in the wings.

  53. Doreen January 18th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    I think knowing who prospects are make the minor league baseball experience so much better.

    Also, when I go to see either Trenton or Lakewood play (they’re both in close proximity) and someone catches my eye, it’s really cool to see them progress. Or read that they were included in a trade for a top-notch ML player.

    I like to think my husband and I “discovered” Hanley Ramirez when he was a RS prospect. We’ve seen the guy who got included in the trade for Halladay (forgive my forgetfulness, I can’t recall his name, but his dad also played ML ball) — DRABEK — that’s the guy. I don’t even take a long look at the programs unless a guy really impresses me.

    Last season Stoneburner really impressed me pitching against the Blue Claws, and so I will follow his progress.

    GB7 had talked about Laird, so when I went to see Trenton play, I focused on him, as well as on Romine.

    Jose Tabata left a negative impression when I saw him.

    It’s just a part of my baseball experience. I don’t consider myself a prospect hugger. But I will cointinue to be interested in AJax, for instance, because he did make a good impression when I watched him play. I will be curious how his career plays out. But I don’t fret that he was traded. That’s baseball.

  54. jacksquat January 18th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Chip January 18th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
    This makes me sick – with the Greinke and DeJesus trades and the retirement of Meche – the KC Payroll this season stands at $30 mil.

    Ha. Arod makes $31mil in salary in 2011, plus $1mil he got on Jan 15, 2011.

    So Arod might make more this year than the entire Royals team?

  55. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    “trisha – good stuff. hope they don’t read the blog, then.”

    That is a guaranteed given!

    (I hope…)

  56. SJ44 January 18th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    For a team like the Yankees, a farm system works differently than it does other teams.

    Only the elite make it to NY. That’s never going to change.

    Very good prospects will be traded for established ML players along the way.

    You can’t keep everybody, nor should they try to keep everybody.

    The key is to self-scout well. Which, the Yankees do very well.

    The farm system is definitely a Top 10 system now.

    They just a few guys to break through. Especially on the pitching side.

    With good health, we may see some of those guys help this club over the course of this season.

  57. J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    Well, some of us actually like to watch our competitors’ prospects play as well. I especially try to see the Rays, Red Sox and Jays prospects, among others, as much as possible.

    However, as far as home team bias goes, it depends on who we are talking about. Some fans may overrate their own, probably a little normal. However, some do the opposite and are really hard on their own prospects. Also, for the serious prospect “nerd” there are scouting reports, annual lists, etc. However, seeing players and making your own judgments is the best policy, supplemented by stats and lists. And some of those “objective” scouting reports too derive from personal connections and “biases.”

    However, I just don’t get the vitriolic reaction toward those of us who follow the prospects. And “prospect hugging” is a derisive term, as well as an inaccurate one. 90% of the prospects are neither hugged nor “hyped” by those who follow them. In fact, I would say the reverse that those people who don’t follow the prospects tend to magnify the prospect “hugging” that does go on, maybe b/c they themselves don’t differentiate between prospects.

    ///

    Yank Fem – you said it. Good post.I’d say for myself,not too much interested in the manufactured “debate” between those who make a point to investigate the system & go see these kids,& the people who,as you say,for some reason, object to the fans who like to stay acquainted with what there is in the system.the latter bring nothing to the table but their jaded ignorance that they flaunt as being some sort of informed position.I do like to hear from people who have seen guys I haven’t.If someone’s commented on one of these sites about a guy they saw who I have not,I’m all ears.

  58. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    The only players on the Royals right now that’s worth much are Soria and Billy Butler. Too bad that Butler is a bad 1st baseman and a worse outfielder. He is a born DH that is equal to Edgar Martinez with a bat in his hands.l

  59. G. Love January 18th, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    You Prospect Huggers sure are sensitive! It’s okay to smile and laugh sometimes people.

    And thanks SJ, Jeers and Dasaint! Glad to have you back, SJ!

  60. Nick in SF January 18th, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    Everyone needs a hug now and then — not just prospects.

  61. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Yet the Royals were second only to the Rangers in team average! You could be tempted to write it off to their division, but Chicago, Detroit and Minny weren’t necessarily cakewalk teams.

  62. jacksquat January 18th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    jacksquat January 18th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
    Chip January 18th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
    This makes me sick – with the Greinke and DeJesus trades and the retirement of Meche – the KC Payroll this season stands at $30 mil.

    Ha. Arod makes $31mil in salary in 2011, plus $1mil he got on Jan 15, 2011.

    So Arod might make more this year than the entire Royals team?

    Oh, and if he hits 47 homeruns this year he will get another $6mil for reaching 660. Probably a low chance of that though.

  63. G. Love January 18th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Nick,

    Would you settle for a fist bump and some deep eye contact?

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    YsGuy January 18th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
    in the end, it all goes back to parcells. mike and bill are saratoga buddies.

    ///
    well that’s clear,yea.that’s why the “someone who knows someone” stuff is so unreliable.everybody’s got an agenda & someone they “like” & wish to puff up.the whole legendary coach thing,which is obviously wall college ball is all about,is also way out of control in the NFL.it’s guys feeding egos of other guys,etc.listening to ryan stroke belichick is part of all the same schtick.it’s a sideshow,that’s about it.

  65. SJ44 January 18th, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    30 million dollar payroll and they may get 10-12 million in luxury tax money.

    They also have one of the most successful regional television networks in the country.

    Ugh, what a system.

    If I was a Royals fan, I’d lose it.

    Plus, their owner is a WalMart heir, and is one of the wealthiest owners in the game.

    They could carry an 80-90 million dollar payroll and easily turn a profit.

  66. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    Apparently the Tom Gorzelanny trade to Washington isn’t quite as done as reported. Sean Marshall has signed on for 2 more years for $4.7 total with the Cubbies.

  67. Nick in SF January 18th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    G. Love, that’s good enough for me, but when Joba looks at his new salary and compares it to Phil’s, he might need a big manly bear hug.

  68. hardwired7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    Tigers DFA’d Galarraga.

    Hello, hello.

  69. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    $4.7 mil

  70. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    Information about prospects invaluable, hell yeah, since a number of those prospects are going to be in the majors at some point. Well I know the information was invaluable to me while I was playing fantasy baseball! I actually take delight in knowing that some of the kids from down below are going to be there helping their teams. I think of players like Stephen Strasburg, Madison Baumgarner, and Justin Smoak in particular. I still think Smoak is going to be a player worth watching.

    The only prospects I chose to ignore and don’t wish well are those who are part of the Sux organization.

    :D

  71. yankeefeminista January 18th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    Chip,
    I’m not saying don’t follow the prospects. I’m not saying we should trade away every prospect we have in search of quick fixes.

    What I’m saying is that there needs to be a happy middle ground between the people who think every prospect is going to a) play for the Yankees and b) be a legit major leaguer and the people who want to trade Jesus Montero for Heath Bell.

    For example – yesterday I suggested that if the Yankees could get Brett Myers from the Astros for Nunez and Romine they should do it – and I was set upon by a poster asking how I could give up the SS of the future?

    The answer is this – I can replace Nunez. He may be the SS of the future but the SS of the present is still here so why am I going to worry about 3 or 4 years from now? By then we can develop another SS or acquire one.
    _________
    This discussion is complex, but who thinks every prospect should be kept? Then the next question is if you are trading a prospect is, what is his projection? Who are you trading him for? What is the cost? There are multiple considerations.

    You have to also consider the philosophy of your organization and the viability of getting rid of prospects instead of developing them, and who will be available down the road, both in your system and in FA. As far as Nunez is concerned, he has a high ceiling, and we do not have any SS possibilities near mlb-ready. Therefore, if you trade Nunez, who do you have ready in a few years? Is there a FA available who would be equal or better than Nunez’s value? Is Brett Myers worth that deal (plus Romine)? Or can you get someone equal to Myers or someone who can fill in as a #4 or 5 without trading Nunez. Also, who backs up Jeter now? Pena? Or do you want someone behind Jeter who can actually hit? Then there is of course the financial consideration, as homegrown players cost so much less than do FA’s.

    So, I think all these considerations have to be factored into trading someone like Nunez who is likely more valuable to keep, considering Cito and Co. are quite a few years away, and Hanley and Tulo aren’t readily available to us anytime soon. Then you also have to consider that players like Hanley and Tulo are being given long-term contracts by their home clubs, so you do not want to trade away those prospects you project as a future core of your franchise because although FA is a viable option, many more teams are hanging on to their core star players these days. So, as I said, trading certain prospects is a complex issue that has multiple ramifications in terms of maintaining the long-term well-being of your organization.

    And as far as following the prospects goes, I don’t understand why any Yankee fan *wouldn’t follow the prospects.

  72. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    “Tigers DFA’d Galarraga.

    Hello, hello.”

    :(

    I hate Bud Selig.

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    G. Love January 18th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
    You Prospect Huggers sure are sensitive! It’s okay to smile and laugh sometimes people.

    And thanks SJ, Jeers and Dasaint! Glad to have you back, SJ!

    ////
    I don’t mean to be rude but,you sure about that thick skin??you wrote something & it stimulated a discussion on the subject beyond the piece, so that’s some blog sucess for you,isn’t it? telling people they’re ‘sensitve,’ (the ones who weren’t as positive in their responses to your piece) tells me you’re a little sensitive to criticism,& it’s really the prerogative of the individual to decide what makes them smile & laugh, isn’t it? I didn’t find the piece funny so I’m sensitive & have no sense of humor,says the writer of it.Hmm…let your work speak for itself I would say.

  74. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Send Montero and Betances to Detroit for Galarraga?

    How about just sending DJ Mitchell?

  75. ac1 January 18th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Tigers DFA’d Galarraga.

    Hello, hello.”

    ___

    How bout him as a possible #5?

  76. Nick in SF January 18th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Jim Joyce will weep again.

    He might also need a hug.

  77. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Where are you seeing they DFA’d Gallaraga? Last I heard they signed him to a contract.

    I’m calling BS on this one and I don’t mean Bud Selig.

  78. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    “How bout him as a possible #5?”

    WHY NOT!

  79. hardwired7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    w/e:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....nment.html

  80. Mike Ri January 18th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    Tigers Designate Galarraga For Assignment
    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [January 18 at 2:03pm CST]
    One day after agreeing to terms with him on a $2.3MM contract for 2011, the Tigers have designated Armando Galarraga for assignment. The team announced the move on Twitter, while making its deal with Brad Penny official.

    Galarraga’s contract is non-guaranteed, though the Tigers would owe him termination pay if they were to release him.

  81. Mell January 18th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    “How bout him as a possible #5?”

    My answer is the same one the Tigers just gave.

  82. BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    Just SAY NO to Galarraga….Joba is far better…

    FREE JOBA! FREE JOBA!!! (Down from $1.99 per pound)

  83. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    http://www.reuters.com/article.....XH20110118

    GRRR!

  84. G. Love January 18th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Jesus Prufock, I’m joking. Take your Paxil.

  85. ac1 January 18th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    We have already seen they don’t plan to try with Joba again. Like it or not (which i don’t like btw). SO, might as well stock up on decent pitchers. Just send Detroit something and bring him in.

  86. hardwired7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Sheisse, my bad.

    That was an old window that hadn’t been refreshed.

    My apologies.

  87. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    By the way – back to the Royals for a second – their $30 mil payroll is less than half of what they spent on the club last year ($70 mil opening day payroll).

    How does the MLBPA and MLB in general let them get away with this? I know, $12 mil came off the books today with the Meche retirement, but that’s still a cut of $28 million heading into today. I’m certain that they’ll slash more payroll by the end of the season because guys like Frenchy and Melky will not finish out the season in Kansas City. The team needs either new ownership or no ownership – it can’t continue as it has been.

  88. upstate kate January 18th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    I did find G Love’s post funny…
    however, that doesn’t imply that I am not interested in the prospects, that I think they are all the same, that I don’t appreciate the reports from those who are fortunate enough to see them play, that I don’t realize that everyone starts out as a prospect…etc etc
    There are many things I find humorous that I may not agree w/ 100 %.

  89. DaSaint007 January 18th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    The only prospects that I pined for that got away that I felt would be good ML players:
    Eric Milton
    Mike Lowell
    Ian Kennedy

  90. BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    ac1 January 18th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    We have already seen they don’t plan to try with Joba again. Like it or not (which i don’t like btw). SO, might as well stock up on decent pitchers. Just send Detroit something and bring him in.
    ++++++++++++
    Galarraga is not a decent pitcher, and I suspect that Cashman has been witing for the non-tenders to begin hitting the markket.

  91. Prete Funk Era January 18th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    I’m very confused by this Galarraga situation.

  92. Mike Ri January 18th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    I?m very confused by this Galarraga situation.

    —–
    I am too . .there are conflicting reports .

  93. BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    DaSaint007 January 18th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    The only prospects that I pined for that got away that I felt would be good ML players:
    Eric Milton
    Mike Lowell
    Ian Kennedy
    ++++++++++++++++++++
    DaSaint–

    Austin Jackson?
    Phil Coke (decent LOOGY)?
    Michael Dunn (now in Marlins)?

  94. yankeefeminista January 18th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Doreen January 18th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
    I think knowing who prospects are make the minor league baseball experience so much better.

    Also, when I go to see either Trenton or Lakewood play (they’re both in close proximity) and someone catches my eye, it’s really cool to see them progress. Or read that they were included in a trade for a top-notch ML player.

    I like to think my husband and I “discovered” Hanley Ramirez when he was a RS prospect. We’ve seen the guy who got included in the trade for Halladay (forgive my forgetfulness, I can’t recall his name, but his dad also played ML ball) — DRABEK — that’s the guy. I don’t even take a long look at the programs unless a guy really impresses me.

    Last season Stoneburner really impressed me pitching against the Blue Claws, and so I will follow his progress.

    GB7 had talked about Laird, so when I went to see Trenton play, I focused on him, as well as on Romine.

    Jose Tabata left a negative impression when I saw him.

    It’s just a part of my baseball experience. I don’t consider myself a prospect hugger. But I will cointinue to be interested in AJax, for instance, because he did make a good impression when I watched him play. I will be curious how his career plays out. But I don’t fret that he was traded. That’s baseball._
    _______
    Totally agree that watching the prospects brings so much more to the overall baseball watching and rooting experience. However, it also as Yankee and mlb fans informs our baseball watching and gives us so much more information about who will be the players of tomorrow.

    It has been so exciting as well as informative to see Hughes pitch from a young pup to his making his mlb debut at OYS. To see Montero play after hearing so much about him for so long, etc.

    As for this “prospect hugger” term, as I stated earlier it really is a pejorative term.

  95. upstate kate January 18th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    what about Coke and AJax?

  96. J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Bojo,that Dunn walks a lot of batters but he’s got one live arm.

  97. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    The Tigers signed him yesterday to a 1 year deal and instead of just releasing him after signing Penny, they DFA’d Galarraga to either try to sign him to a minor league deal or trade him for something. Galarraga would only get a termination pay instead of the complete unguaranteed contract.

  98. hardwired7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    I’m very confused by this Galarraga situation.

    ————–

    Join the club.

    A new twist on the sign-and-trade?

  99. West Coast Yankee Fan January 18th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    I’ve been to Kansas City many times on business (yes the BBQ is that good) and the mindset there that I observed is totally different than you will find in other larger markets. Sure, you have more than a few rabid fans who yearn for the George Brett days and want to win badly, but IMO most fans see the Royals in the context of enjoying a family oriented day at the ballpark. Winning and losing doesn’t seem to mean as much. Maybe it’s just habit and acceptance of the inevitable and that many reserve their passion for the Kansas Jayhawks. It’s also I’m sure also a Midwest thing, they draw from both Kansas and Missouri, the city, suburbs and surrounding farmland.

    The renovated stadium is beautiful, great HD video scoreboard that’s as large as any I have ever seen. It’s just a relaxed, laid back atmosphere with smiling, polite employees and I thoroughly enjoyed the few games I have seen there. It sure is different though.

  100. hardwired7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    He’s a better starter than Sergio Mitre.

    There’s no confusion about that.

  101. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    well if Armando’s available then absolutely I make a move to try and get him. But you have to wonder: Detroit is willing to cut bait with the guy in favor of Brad Penny and Phil Coke…why?

    I would offer them Joba straight up for him.

  102. G. Love January 18th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    upstate kate,

    Don’t you know, you’re not allowed to laugh at it, like it and disagree with it?

    Thanks for the compliments.

    As for Galaragga, I think I’m more interested in Andres “Le Grand Chat” Galaraga than Armando, but at this point I’d take him over Mitre.

  103. Prete Funk Era January 18th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    The Tigers signed him yesterday to a 1 year deal and instead of just releasing him after signing Penny, they DFA’d Galarraga to either try to sign him to a minor league deal or trade him for something. Galarraga would only get a termination pay instead of the complete unguaranteed contract.
    —————————————

    Thanks GreenBeret7

  104. yankeefeminista January 18th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Doreen,

    I forget to ask. Why did you have a negative reaction to Tabata? I saw him a lot at Trenton and really enjoyed watching him hit and field.

  105. BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Jose Tabata and Ross Ohlendorf can be added to that list too

  106. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Compliments of MLB-Rumors-R-Us.

    Tigers Designate Galarraga For Assignment
    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [January 18 at 2:03pm CST]
    One day after agreeing to terms with him on a $2.3MM contract for 2011, the Tigers have designated Armando Galarraga for assignment. The team announced the move on Twitter, while making its deal with Brad Penny official.

    Galarraga’s contract is non-guaranteed, though the Tigers would owe him termination pay if they were to release him.

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    ac1 January 18th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
    We have already seen they don’t plan to try with Joba again. Like it or not (which i don’t like btw). SO, might as well stock up on decent pitchers. Just send Detroit something and bring him in.

    ///
    I could be wrong,but I have a feeling Joba gets a turn in the rotation again if he’s actually healthy (his spike in velocity says he is).they are bringing in a pitching coach whose philosophy jives with Joba’s stuff when he is at his best.either that or he’ll be traded.

  108. BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Chip January 18th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    well if Armando’s available then absolutely I make a move to try and get him. But you have to wonder: Detroit is willing to cut bait with the guy in favor of Brad Penny and Phil Coke…why?

    I would offer them Joba straight up for him.
    ++++++++++++++
    I would strongly disagree. Harsh words to follow. :-)

  109. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    As I said:

    Detroit gets Joba
    NYY gets Galarraga

    Winners all around I think.

  110. ac1 January 18th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Pru, i hope you are right. Still, can’t hurt to bring Gallaraga in (over starting Mitre).

  111. hardwired7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Thanks GreenBeret7

    ———-

    ditto.

  112. Against All Odds January 18th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    # hardwired7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    He’s a better starter than Sergio Mitre.

    There’s no confusion about that.

    ———————————————

    I’d rather see Javy pitch again instead of Mitre lol.

  113. ac1 January 18th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    and would not trade joba straight up. Yankees are going to take on the contract, so they should just give up something like Mitchell (like was said above).

  114. G. Love January 18th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Chip,

    You can’t offer Joba for a DFA’d player. That’s a bit extreme. He’s worth more than that.

    If you look at Galaraga’s numbers vs. Mitre’s they’re actually similar.

    Would you trade Joba for Mitre?

  115. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
    Chip January 18th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    well if Armando’s available then absolutely I make a move to try and get him. But you have to wonder: Detroit is willing to cut bait with the guy in favor of Brad Penny and Phil Coke…why?

    I would offer them Joba straight up for him.
    ++++++++++++++
    I would strongly disagree. Harsh words to follow.

    ———————–

    Why’s that?

    Why mess with turning Joba into a starter when you can get a starter for him – and a reasonably aged one at that?

  116. J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    AAO – I hear that.when they traded for Javy,I said I’d rather see Joba start than Javy ;) .

  117. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    G. Love January 18th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
    Chip,

    You can’t offer Joba for a DFA’d player. That’s a bit extreme. He’s worth more than that.

    If you look at Galaraga’s numbers vs. Mitre’s they’re actually similar.

    Would you trade Joba for Mitre?

    ——————

    I suppose you’re right.

    I admit – I just don’t like Joba very much these days.

  118. BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    Aside from one great start, Gallaraga was nothing special or that much better than Mitre…

  119. SJ44 January 18th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Why trade Joba for a guy that was DFA’ed?

    Joba’s value is not that low around the league.

    If you are the Yankees, I don’t think I’d be trading any arms unless it’s for elite guys currently not on the market.

  120. Against All Odds January 18th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    # J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    ac1 January 18th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
    We have already seen they don’t plan to try with Joba again. Like it or not (which i don’t like btw). SO, might as well stock up on decent pitchers. Just send Detroit something and bring him in.

    ///
    I could be wrong,but I have a feeling Joba gets a turn in the rotation again if he’s actually healthy (his spike in velocity says he is).they are bringing in a pitching coach whose philosophy jives with Joba’s stuff when he is at his best.either that or he’ll be traded.

    ——————————————————–

    It will be interesting to see how Rothschild meshes with Chamberlain. I don’t want to jump to conclusions but there seems to have been a disconnect between Joba and Eiland.

  121. BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Chip January 18th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    I suppose you’re right.

    I admit – I just don’t like Joba very much these days.
    +++++++++++++
    Chip–

    Go to you room and stand in the corner.

  122. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    And in looking at his numbers it is becoming clearer why the Tigers prefer Phil Coke and Brad Penny to him.

    Sadly he immediately becomes the best pitcher currently available.

  123. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    SJ44 January 18th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
    Why trade Joba for a guy that was DFA’ed?

    Joba’s value is not that low around the league.

    If you are the Yankees, I don’t think I’d be trading any arms unless it’s for elite guys currently not on the market.

    ——————–

    I fully admit – I dramatically undervalued Joba in this trade.

  124. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    SJ44 January 18th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
    Why trade Joba for a guy that was DFA’ed?

    Joba’s value is not that low around the league.

    If you are the Yankees, I don’t think I’d be trading any arms unless it’s for elite guys currently not on the market.

    —————–

    Random Q:

    Thoughts on a Nunez and Romine for Brett Myers swap?

  125. G. Love January 18th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Chip,

    If it’s any consolation, Joba probably doesn’t like you very much these days either after that post.

    I’m waiting to hear that the Yankees are going to try to implement Joba as a multi-inning reliever a la Goose in his prime.

    If that kind of news comes out, then it means the Yankees are thinking about starting him again. They won’t make him a starter publicly. They’ll tease us/him with it if it’s a possiblity.

    That said, I’m still pretty sure the Yankees must feel that shoulder won’t hold up. It’s the only explicable reason to me.

  126. MTU January 18th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Sometimes life just makes no sense.

    Pitch a perfect game (I consider it perfect even if Selig didn’t) and then get DFA’ed as a future reward.

    Ain’t life grand.

    :(

  127. Against All Odds January 18th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    # Chip January 18th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    SJ44 January 18th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
    Why trade Joba for a guy that was DFA’ed?

    Joba’s value is not that low around the league.

    If you are the Yankees, I don’t think I’d be trading any arms unless it’s for elite guys currently not on the market.

    ——————–

    I fully admit – I dramatically undervalued Joba in this trade.

    ———————————————–

    It’s ok we all make mistakes

  128. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Oh, no…Those crafty Padres just signed Gregg Zaun to a minor league deal. For what the Yankees paid for Martin, they could have signed 15 Gregg Zauns.

  129. ac1 January 18th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    it’s too bad clemens is so shunned right now, becausehe is the one that could straighten out joba.

  130. hardwired7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    I’d rather see Javy pitch again

    —————

    :shudders:

    I hear you, though, Against All Odds. Watching a Mitre start unfolding is like watching a slowly evolving train wreck.

  131. BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    Why mess with turning Joba into a starter when you can get a starter for him – and a reasonably aged one at that?
    +++++++++++++++++++

    Recent relievers who converted to starting–

    CJ Wilson
    Brandon Morrow
    Francisco Liriano

  132. ac1 January 18th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Oh, no…Those crafty Padres just signed Gregg Zaun to a minor league deal. For what the Yankees paid for Martin, they could have signed 15 Gregg Zauns.

    ____

    and then the yankees could have expanded the roster to allow for all of the players we can sign instead of overpaying one person. :)

  133. DaSaint007 January 18th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    No, I never really pined for Austin Jackson, though I did think that Coke did well, but he wasn’t a prospect that I thought would be good. He just turned out to be good.

    I’ll add two to my list:
    Ross Ohlendorf
    Tyler Clippard

    Hey, that’s just me…

  134. Pat M. January 18th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    Not certain who Joe Lovelo is but he hit a dinger today….By far the best guest writer this season and it has to rank in the top 10 all-time……Humor, historical reference linked to current references…….Outstanding contribution……A candidate for the Rebbecca Award for outstanding Guest Writer

  135. SJ44 January 18th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    I’m not a big Brett Myers fan. I dont see him holding up pitching in the AL East.

  136. DaSaint007 January 18th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Joba’s not getting traded for a DFA. That’s just absurd.

  137. BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Clippard s*cks. Come into game, give up tying run, and then pick up win when your teammates pick you up…

  138. Cashman needs to go January 18th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    which leads me to Joba. If he wants to make the big bucks, he better use this as incentive as much as anything else otherwise, he’ll continue to be just an average middle reliever and treated/paid as such

    *************************

    you can buy as much beer with 1.4 million than you can with 2.7 million..afterall how much beer can a guy drink anyway? About $10,000 worth for a year?….

    2 six packs a day for 365 days @ $12 per 6 pack = $8,760 (adding another 100 six packs for holidays and special occasions to reach 10K)

  139. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
    Why mess with turning Joba into a starter when you can get a starter for him – and a reasonably aged one at that?
    +++++++++++++++++++

    Recent relievers who converted to starting–

    CJ Wilson
    Brandon Morrow
    Francisco Liriano

    ———————–

    I want to see what happens with Wilson this year before I consider that a success.

    Loves me some Brandon Morrow – I think in a couple of years he’s going to be an elite starter

    Liriano had major arm issues so he was worked back from the pen.

    I don’t think the Yankees are going to put Joba back in the rotation – I don’t believe they think his shoulder can handle it and I don’t think they believe his make-up is suited for it.

    I really believe there’s a better chance we see Joba traded than Joba starting.

  140. Against All Odds January 18th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    # ac1 January 18th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    it’s too bad clemens is so shunned right now, becausehe is the one that could straighten out joba.

    —————————————

    Yea Clemens would have worked well with Joba. I remember in 2007 after pitching his inning he would come into the dugout and sit or stand right next to Roger.

  141. DaSaint007 January 18th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    As I said, that’s just me. My choices.

  142. ac1 January 18th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    what ever happened to matt de salvo?

  143. BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    SJ44 January 18th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    I’m not a big Brett Myers fan. I dont see him holding up pitching in the AL East
    +++++++++++++
    Agreed…not that wild on Wandy either.

    I say just let Joba pitch until he either establishes himself, his arm falls off, or he proves he can’t win as a starter.

    I really don’t care to hear about cast-offs who supposedly should be signed and thus block Joba.

  144. J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan January 18th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
    I’ve been to Kansas City many times on business (yes the BBQ is that good) and the mindset there that I observed is totally different than you will find in other larger markets. Sure, you have more than a few rabid fans who yearn for the George Brett days and want to win badly, but IMO most fans see the Royals in the context of enjoying a family oriented day at the ballpark. Winning and losing doesn’t seem to mean as much. Maybe it’s just habit and acceptance of the inevitable and that many reserve their passion for the Kansas Jayhawks. It’s also I’m sure also a Midwest thing, they draw from both Kansas and Missouri, the city, suburbs and surrounding farmland.

    The renovated stadium is beautiful, great HD video scoreboard that’s as large as any I have ever seen. It’s just a relaxed, laid back atmosphere with smiling, polite employees and I thoroughly enjoyed the few games I have seen there. It sure is different though.

    /////
    I was out there but not during baseball season.I like reading about other ballparks.good post.

  145. BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    ac1 January 18th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    what ever happened to matt de salvo?
    +++++++++
    Some crazed fan hugged him and broke both arms and 5 ribs.

  146. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    SJ44 January 18th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
    I’m not a big Brett Myers fan. I dont see him holding up pitching in the AL East.

    —————–

    Fair enough

    I personally still do it though but I appreciate the input.

  147. yankeefeminista January 18th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Free Joba!

  148. BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    Cashman needs to go January 18th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    2 six packs a day for 365 days @ $12 per 6 pack = $8,760 (adding another 100 six packs for holidays and special occasions to reach 10K)
    ++++++++++++++++++++
    Only 2 6 packs?!?!? You obviously have never been an overpaid sloth…

  149. DaSaint007 January 18th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    Apparently even Aaron Heilman is going to get a chance to start for Arizona.
    Keep hope alive Joba.

  150. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan January 18th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
    I’ve been to Kansas City many times on business (yes the BBQ is that good) and the mindset there that I observed is totally different than you will find in other larger markets. Sure, you have more than a few rabid fans who yearn for the George Brett days and want to win badly, but IMO most fans see the Royals in the context of enjoying a family oriented day at the ballpark. Winning and losing doesn’t seem to mean as much. Maybe it’s just habit and acceptance of the inevitable and that many reserve their passion for the Kansas Jayhawks. It’s also I’m sure also a Midwest thing, they draw from both Kansas and Missouri, the city, suburbs and surrounding farmland.

    The renovated stadium is beautiful, great HD video scoreboard that’s as large as any I have ever seen. It’s just a relaxed, laid back atmosphere with smiling, polite employees and I thoroughly enjoyed the few games I have seen there. It sure is different though.

    —————————–

    I’m not saying the city’s not lovely – but the baseball ownership is awful.

    How do you slash $40 mil from a $70 mil payroll and hope to be competative?

    What possible reason are you giving fans to show up? “Come to games, not to see us but to see the good players on other teams” “Come see Billy Butler and 24 other guys.”

    Their best pitcher right now might be Bruce Chen

  151. Nat January 18th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    The business group working to move the New York Yankees’ minor league baseball team, the Tampa Yankees, to Orlando is holding a press conference tomorrow in Apopka to make a special announcement.

    Armando Gutierrez Jr. said he and his business partners will announce plans about a special “once in a lifetime experience” event this February for families, little league players and Central Florida baseball enthusiasts.

    “The event is usually not even done outside of New York ,” said a tight-lipped Gutierrez. “But it’s going to be in Central in February for a day.”

    Perhaps more interesting is the fact that Apopka could be a new location option. The primary location, a piece of land near the Orange County Convention Center, hit a snag after former Orlando County mayor Richard Crotty raised concerns about Gutierrez’s project outlines. New Orlando County mayor Teresa Jacobs told the Orlando Sentinel in November that she would comment on the proposal until she had time to study it.

    Gutierrez said he would not confirm or deny Apopka as a possible location for a minor league baseball team in a telephone interview Tuesday afternoon. But he said plans were moving slow.

    “So far so good,” he said. “We’re just waiting on when we can make a formal presentation to [Jacobs] now that she’s hiring for people.”

    Check back on Sentinel Sports Now for details on the announcement tomorrow.

  152. ac1 January 18th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    What possible reason are you giving fans to show up? “Come to games, not to see us but to see the good players on other teams” “Come see Billy Butler and 24 other guys.”

    ___

    Come see Soria pitch in non-save situations because we will never be winning.

  153. Doreen January 18th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    yankeefeminista -

    The game we saw, he appeared not to be engaged. It was one game, and I would never make a sweeping generalization based on one game. He didn’t run hard, and appeared to not be tracking balls well in the outfield.

    I wanted so much to be excited by his play, since I’d heard such good things about his talent. So it was disappointing. It was not “he just had a bad day” kind of thing, either. You watch guys strike out or ground out all the time. But you always see them playing hard in the field. He didn’t that day.

  154. Mell January 18th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    “Francisco Liriano”

    Liriano was always a starter who dabbled briefly in relief. He’s got 219 professional appearances and 199 of those were as a starter.

  155. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    If they can talk Girardi into it, send Mitre and Pena to Detroit for Galaragga and Coke.

  156. Against All Odds January 18th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    # hardwired7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    I’d rather see Javy pitch again

    —————

    :shudders:

    I hear you, though, Against All Odds. Watching a Mitre start unfolding is like watching a slowly evolving train wreck.

    —————————————-

    Yea it’s definitely not something I’m fond of seeing.

  157. hardwired7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    I didn’t like the Yarnall for Mike Lowell trade from jump street.

    Yarnall’s #s in the low minors were the ultimate fool’s gold. Lowell was raking at every level, and putting up nice power #s.

    Brosius wasn’t going to be @3rd forever. If Andy Phillips ended up w/playing time, they could have found enough ABs for Lowell.

    Oh well, they still won rings after the trade.

  158. Cashman needs to go January 18th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    You obviously have never been an overpaid sloth

    ****************

    Unfortunately no…just an average paid sloth ;-)

  159. J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    It will be interesting to see how Rothschild meshes with Chamberlain. I don’t want to jump to conclusions but there seems to have been a disconnect between Joba and Eiland.

    ////
    he didn’t seem up the task of helping develop him,did he?

    ac1 – I agree on Clemens & Joba.even Hughes raved about having Clemens around & it didn’t seem to be fluff out of his mouth.

  160. Jerkface January 18th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Where is Wave Your Hat,

    Looks like we split on arbitration. I got Hughes under 3 mil but the overall package was above 4 mil. Arbitration is a dangerous game!

  161. BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    Nat January 18th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    “The event is usually not even done outside of New York ,” said a tight-lipped Gutierrez. “But it’s going to be in Central in February for a day.”
    ++++++++++++++++++
    What? Are they going to be mugged?

  162. DaSaint007 January 18th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    hardwired7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
    I didn’t like the Yarnall for Mike Lowell trade from jump street.
    ————————————-
    Lowell would have been great in pinstripes. Oh well. Sometimes these things work out, sometimes they don’t. But it hurt watching him end up in a boston uniform. Just hurt.

  163. BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Mell January 18th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    “Francisco Liriano”

    Liriano was always a starter who dabbled briefly in relief. He’s got 219 professional appearances and 199 of those were as a starter.
    ++++++++++++++
    Okay–substitute Johan Santana…my point is that relievers absolutely can be converted back to starters and do well…

    If Joba has such low value, I am willing to risk his arm falling off to find out if he can start.

  164. tyanksfan36 January 18th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Nat

    I hate that they are going to move the Tampa Yankees but here in Tampa, they have hardly any fans who come out to the games. They are so good they deserve to have packed seats every night. Ill miss them but can always go to lakeland or clearwater to see them play.

  165. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
    If they can talk Girardi into it, send Mitre and Pena to Detroit for Galaragga and Coke.

    —————

    I’m sure you were joking but in case you weren’t – Tigers aren’t going to deal Coke – they want him in the rotation.

  166. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
    Mell January 18th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    “Francisco Liriano”

    Liriano was always a starter who dabbled briefly in relief. He’s got 219 professional appearances and 199 of those were as a starter.
    ++++++++++++++
    Okay–substitute Johan Santana…my point is that relievers absolutely can be converted back to starters and do well…

    If Joba has such low value, I am willing to risk his arm falling off to find out if he can start.

    ——————

    Agreed but usually they don’t go: Starter – Reliever – Starter – Reliever and then back to Starter.

  167. BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    DaSaint007 January 18th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    Lowell would have been great in pinstripes. Oh well. Sometimes these things work out, sometimes they don’t. But it hurt watching him end up in a boston uniform. Just hurt.
    +++++++++++++++
    If it is any consolation, just remember that he can be the spokesperson for Mounds candy bars, but not Almond Joy bars.

  168. Patrick January 18th, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    Why would you trade Joba for Galaragga when Joba is a better starter?

  169. Against All Odds January 18th, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    It will be interesting to see how Rothschild meshes with Chamberlain. I don’t want to jump to conclusions but there seems to have been a disconnect between Joba and Eiland.

    ////
    he didn’t seem up the task of helping develop him,did he?

    —————————————————–

    The change of Eiland is fascinating to me. In 2009 he seemed like a guy that was hands on and really in tune with developing Joba. Hell he was one of the loudest voices when it came to him being a starter but then 2010 rolled around and it’s almost like he threw his hands up in the air. Again, I don’t want speculate on things but if anyone read his comments throughout the yr or after Joba “lost” to Hughes it felt like he was sick of the whole situation.

  170. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Chip January 18th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
    GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
    If they can talk Girardi into it, send Mitre and Pena to Detroit for Galaragga and Coke.

    —————

    I’m sure you were joking but in case you weren’t – Tigers aren’t going to deal Coke – they want him in the rotation.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Half of Detroit deals coke. Why would Iyllich be any fifferent? What do you think those pizzas are made with anyway?

  171. Chip January 18th, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    tyanksfan36 January 18th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
    Nat

    I hate that they are going to move the Tampa Yankees but here in Tampa, they have hardly any fans who come out to the games. They are so good they deserve to have packed seats every night. Ill miss them but can always go to lakeland or clearwater to see them play.

    ——————–

    The Yankees never would have considered this move if George was still alive. But I’m sure once they’re in Orlando there will be some monter deal to get Disney involved that will get the Yankees even more money.

  172. BoJo January 18th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Chip January 18th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    Agreed but usually they don’t go: Starter – Reliever – Starter – Reliever and then back to Starter.
    ++++++++++++++++
    So he stutters…Are you going ot hold that against him?

  173. ac1 January 18th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    only one person posed the joba-gallaraga trade then recanted.

    but without trading joba, this is still a good possible pick up, especially since they have given no indication they ever intend to let joba near the 1st inning ever again.

  174. DaSaint007 January 18th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    If Yohan wasn’t injured – again – and didn’t have so much left in his contract, I’d advocate for trading for him. Surely Alderson wants to rid the team of that contract as quickly as possible. Maybe they’d agree to a salary dump and take back $30M of the remaining 3 years he has left. But just like boston-NYY doesn’t happen, NYM-NYY trades don’t happen either.

    Oh, and this is definitely Papplebum’s last year in boston. With a $12M one-year deal, he’ll be a FA, but most likely a Type A FA. They’d be silly to offer arbitration, as he’d probably accept just to get the pay raise. Look for him to be traded this season.

  175. Wave Your Hat January 18th, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    jerkface-

    Just was reading through the comments. You pegged Hughes, congrats.

    On the other hand I thought the Hughes/Joba/Logan would get $5.5M vs your $4M so I think I win there.

  176. tyanksfan36 January 18th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    Chip, I agree. And then ticket prices will get way high. In that case, the USF baseball team is completing their new stadium so ill just go there for free.

  177. yankeefeminista January 18th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    tyanksfan36 January 18th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
    Nat

    I hate that they are going to move the Tampa Yankees but here in Tampa, they have hardly any fans who come out to the games. They are so good they deserve to have packed seats every night. Ill miss them but can always go to lakeland or clearwater to see them play.
    ____
    Ugh, I saw this announcement and immediately thought of you.:( How will this affect your seeing games? (I am clearly ignorant about FLA.’s geography)

  178. J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    The change of Eiland is fascinating to me. In 2009 he seemed like a guy that was hands on and really in tune with developing Joba. Hell he was one of the loudest voices when it came to him being a starter but then 2010 rolled around and it’s almost like he threw his hands up in the air. Again, I don’t want speculate on things but if anyone read his comments throughout the yr or after Joba “lost” to Hughes it felt like he was sick of the whole situation.

    ////
    eiland always seemed like a hothead, cover my butt type to me.he wasn’t up to getting joba through the tougher times and even if they were exasperated,you’d think they would have demoted him for some retooling & that eiland would have been an advocate there.the decision seemed to be a lazy one,they’d take advantage of his arm in the bullpen & scrap his development as a starter altogether,devaluing him in the process.now they need a starter,so let’s see if they notice they actually have one who has btw had some major league success.

  179. J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    yankeefeminista January 18th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
    tyanksfan36 January 18th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
    Nat

    I hate that they are going to move the Tampa Yankees but here in Tampa, they have hardly any fans who come out to the games. They are so good they deserve to have packed seats every night. Ill miss them but can always go to lakeland or clearwater to see them play.
    ____
    Ugh, I saw this announcement and immediately thought of you.:( How will this affect your seeing games? (I am clearly ignorant about FLA.’s geography)

    ////
    what happened to the prospect of Orlando as a destination for the Rays?

  180. Against All Odds January 18th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 18th, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    eiland always seemed like a hothead, cover my butt type to me.he wasn’t up to getting joba through the tougher times and even if they were exasperated,you’d think they would have demoted him for some retooling & that eiland would have been an advocate there.the decision seemed to be a lazy one,they’d take advantage of his arm in the bullpen & scrap his development as a starter altogether,devaluing him in the process.now they need a starter,so let’s see if they notice they actually have one who has btw had some major league success.

    ——————————–

    Eiland was always stern with Joba when it came to getting him back on track. I never had a problem with it because Chamberlain looked liked one of those guys that needed a kick in the pants but he might be one of those players that forces the issue when trying to do well. He might need to be built up instead of being yelled at.

    That’s the running joke that everyone brings up which is the Yankees need a starter but don’t realize they have one sitting in the bullpen. Hopefully the team takes advantage of this opportunity and give the kid a shot because that’s all he can really ask for. I’ll be gone for a few hours but I should be back later on. Everyone enjoy the rest of the afternoon.

  181. JoeyA January 18th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    You folks are aware Galarraga was DFA’d today.

    IMHO, Fausto Carmona is the best SP who could conceivably be had in a trade.

    I would imagine one of Banuelos or Betances, Joba, and an outfielder should get it done. Am I way off on the trade?

  182. MikeD January 19th, 2011 at 12:33 am

    JoeyA, I wouldn’t give up much of anything for Galarraga, who hasn’t been good at these past two years. If the Tigers cut him, which I think is a very real possibility unless they can work out a deal for him, then I’d have no problem inviting him to camp for a look. Low expectations for him, especially moving into the AL East and away from a very friendly pitchers’ park in Detroit.

    As for Carmona, he has only one year left on his contract at $6 million, and then there are three expensive team options 2012-14 that I’d expect the holding team to decline. I’d be happy to have him on the Yankees in 2011, but certainly not at the price of a Banuelos or a Betances, who are two of the better young arms in the Yankee system. The Yankees have many more good arms, but yet lower level than those two, who they could move in a trade for Carmona.

    I don’t have a problem trading prospects. It’s just matching the level of prospects with the incoming talent.


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