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Hoping for a bounceback

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Jan 20, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

In talking about the Yankees’ rotation next season, much of the focus has been – understandably – on who, exactly, will fill out the back end. Particularly if Andy Pettitte retires, the fourth and fifth spots seem like they could go to anyone, really.

So those are two questions marks. CC Sabathia is as close to a sure thing they come and Phil Hughes certainly did enough well year to earn some measure of confidence that he can be a significant contributor again in 2011. That leaves A.J. Burnett.

Yesterday, Joe Girardi told reporters that new pitching coach Larry Rothschild has spoken to Burnett though it’s not clear if they’ll be getting together before spring training begins. Girardi, ever the optimist, said he believes that Burnett “is going to have a bounceback year, I do. But I tend to look at the positive side of things.”

That’s Girardi’s approach but even he would acknowledge not everyone shares that same opinion. What you think about Burnett’s chances in 2011, I suppose, are closely tied to what you think of his 2010 – was it an anomaly or a sign?

Here’s the thing that alarms me as I look at his numbers: Last year, Burnett was so much more hittable. It wasn’t like he was terribly wild (his walks-per-nine actually went down 0.4) but he wasn’t fooling anyone either. Despite issuing fewer walks, his WHIP went from 1.401 to 1.511 and his strikeouts-per-nine fell by 1.5 from 2009. In other words, he wasn’t missing bats anymore.

For a guy like Burnett, a hard-thrower who had been a power pitcher during his most successful times, those numbers don’t bode well for the future. Can Burnett rediscover that dominance? Maybe. Whatever happens, you can bet that Burnett will be at the top of Rothschild’s to-do list.

* That’s an AP shot of Burnett.

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224 Responses to “Hoping for a bounceback”

  1. Joe from Long Island January 20th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    From last thread –

    Chip ? I think the only way the Rangers do that is if they decide they can?t keep Hamilton. For the Yanks, pretty interesting, as they have the depth so that losing those players isn?t fatal to their system.

  2. Jerkface January 20th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Coming down off that bacon-high.

  3. Erin January 20th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Yesterday, Joe Girardi told reporters that new pitching coach Larry Rothschild has spoken to Burnett though it?s not clear if they?ll be getting together before spring training begins

    ********************************
    I thought I saw it reported that Rothschild has worked with AJ this winter??? Maybe I’m imagining things. lol

  4. YsGuy January 20th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    from what i saw, aj couldn’t locate the fastball, he kept throwing it low and away to RH batters. without any confidence in his fb, he was overrelying on his breaking stuff and people were waiting on it. i think we will see a bounceback because i think the fb control is fixable and going back to his old mix of using the fb to keep them off the curve. i dont expect him to be any better than his usualy inconsisency, but i also dont see him being as bad as last season.

  5. Jerkface January 20th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    I thought I saw it reported that Rothschild has worked with AJ this winter??? Maybe I’m imagining things.

    He was supposed to visit Burnett, it was in the same news piece that reported Burnett converted his barn into a pitching mound.

  6. Jerkface January 20th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    On May 4th Burnett had a 1.99 ERA. He was giving up few line drives and getting a lot of ground balls. Then he fell apart.

  7. upstate kate January 20th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    how much bacon do you need to eat for a bacon high?

    Erin
    I thought I had read that too…

    Does anyone remember the Japan trip when Moose just wanted to stay in the hotel room and eat PB&J sandwiches? Or am I mis-remembering that too?

  8. Erin January 20th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Thanks Jerkface-I knew I had seen that somewhere!

  9. Tom in N.J. January 20th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Face, may I suggest baconnaise?

    You can have bacon a tablespoon at a time.

  10. 108 stitches January 20th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Larry Rothschild should need little time in spotting the flaws of Burnett beginning with video. By itself, the side to side delivery is a strong factor in missing the strike zone resulting in most of his wild pitches. A good off speed pitch will help his arsenal of pitches if developed and with confidence.
    Either Dave Eiland didn’t care or there was a disconnect with the two that made most of 2010 a year to forget for Burnett.

  11. blake January 20th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Chip,

    From the Yankee.side I do that deal. I don’t think there is any way the Rangers would right now though….maybe as Joe says, if they can’t lock him up long term they would look to move him in the future.
    ––

  12. Jerkface January 20th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Does anyone remember the Japan trip when Moose just wanted to stay in the hotel room and eat PB&J sandwiches? Or am I mis-remembering that too?

    That was a thing, in 04.

  13. Jerkface January 20th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    how much bacon do you need to eat for a bacon high?

    Scientifically speaking? A whole mess of it.

  14. Jerkface January 20th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    http://www.baconsalt.com/

    Get it while supplies last.

  15. blake January 20th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Sign Damon, problem solved.

  16. hardwired7 January 20th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    I know a guy who can get you some primo Canadian bacon.

  17. YsGuy January 20th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    yes, i though mussina’s whining on that trip was really weak.

  18. Erica in NY January 20th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Jerkface-

    We are thinking alike (SCARY!). Check your e-mail and you will laugh

  19. Erica in NY January 20th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    blake January 20th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
    Sign Damon, problem solved.

    *************

    Quit stealing my lines :-)

  20. Bronx Jeers January 20th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    What happened to the private lessons in AJ’s barn or whatever ?

    “Last year, Burnett was so much more hittable. It wasn’t like he was terribly wild (his walks-per-nine actually went down 0.4) but he wasn’t fooling anyone either. ”

    True. I recall thinking that at times he needed to be more wild. His control within the strikezone was awful.

    It was like every time he walked out to the mound I could hear “Scenes from an Italian Restaurant” playing in my head.

    More wine, less meatballs. That’s what we need from AJ this season.

  21. Erica in NY January 20th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    SIGN JOHNNY DAMON :-)

    (only cause I can’t let blake get one up on me)

  22. blake January 20th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Im thinkin about a baconator for lunch.

  23. Erin January 20th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Bronx Jeers January 20th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    It was like every time he walked out to the mound I could hear ?Scenes from an Italian Restaurant? playing in my head.

    *******************************

    :lol:

  24. tyanksfan36 January 20th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    All this bacon talk is making me hungry. I’m sitting here at work thinking about a bacon cheeseburger while eating a tuna sandwich. I know what I’m having for dinner now.

  25. tyanksfan36 January 20th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    All this bacon talk is making me hungry. I’m sitting here at work thinking about a bacon cheeseburger while eating a tuna sandwich. I know what I’m having for dinner now.

    Also, I liked the last pinch hit post. I wasn’t born when Thurman Munson died but I’m a sucker for stories. Well done.

  26. BoJo January 20th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Re that bacon high–is that smoked bacon?

  27. Erin January 20th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    tyanks-you just gave me an idea for supper! A bacon cheeseburger sounds really good. ;)

  28. Jerkface January 20th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Burnett when he gives up 3 ER or less: 6.1 average IP, 4.5 BB/9, 9.1 K/9, .62 HR/9, 7 H/9

    He is effectively wild.

  29. upstate kate January 20th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    JF
    how can bacon salt be vegetarian?

  30. BoJo January 20th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    108 stitches January 20th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Larry Rothschild should need little time in spotting the flaws of Burnett beginning with video. By itself, the side to side delivery is a strong factor in missing the strike zone resulting in most of his wild pitches. A good off speed pitch will help his arsenal of pitches if developed and with confidence.
    Either Dave Eiland didn’t care or there was a disconnect with the two that made most of 2010 a year to forget for Burnett.
    ++++++++++++++
    IIRC–Burnett did okay in stretches when Eiland was around…the start of season was great–meltdown occured when Eiland was distracted or gone…a modest improvement when Eiland returned.

    I think he is still salvageable.

  31. Jacques Strappe January 20th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    I wonder if AJ was tipping his pitches, or wasn’t consistent in his mechanics on each pitch, or both.

    I think this year won’t be as much of Bad AJ as we did last year. He’ll still be around, just not as much as Good AJ will be. I’ll go out on a limb and predict maybe a 15-10 year, with an ERA around 4. Hopefully it’ll be better. But I’m being cautiously realistic, maybe a bit optimistic, and also just plain guessing on an uneducated hunch.

    I think Good AJ has the ability to win 20, but he won’t be able to limit Bad AJ’s appearances enough.

  32. jacksquat January 20th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    What happened to Rothschild meeting AJ in his barn in December?

  33. Jacques Strappe January 20th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Sorry, typo:
    …. this year we won’t SEE as much of Bad AJ as we did last year ….

  34. Jerkface January 20th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    how can bacon salt be vegetarian?

    bacon transcends food-group based dietary eating behaviors

  35. G. Love January 20th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Pat M,

    Thanks for the compliments! I appreciate it.

    I hope you’re correct about Martin having a little Munson in him. That would be a welcome addition. Sometimes some of the Yankees seem so happy to see their opponents it drives me wild.

    The one thing I love about the NFL is teams genuinely dislike one another and you can see it happening in the field.

    Baseball used to have that edge, but it’s softened a ton.

  36. upstate kate January 20th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    bacon is the only meat that compliments any other meat

  37. YsGuy January 20th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    martin comes here with a reputation as a party boy who let ‘distractions’ interfere with his career.

    if there is any thurmon in there, not many people in L.A. saw it.

    we’ll see…

  38. Jerkface January 20th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    you can wrap anything in bacon. anything

  39. upstate kate January 20th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    G Love
    you just don’t see the brawls like you used to…altho seeing Porcello roll Youk was a personal favorite of mine

  40. blake January 20th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Bacon wrapped scallops mmmmm….fire up the grill Joe. :) who cares if its winter.

  41. hardwired7 January 20th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    My first game @Yankee Stadium was 08/07/79. I missed seeing Thurman play by less than a week.

    One day I decided to give my wife a sort of Munson biography. It’s the only time she’s ever seen me cry. Unfortunately for me, it was in the middle of a restaurant, and I couldn’t stop myself no matter how hard I tried.

  42. Mell January 20th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Everything’s better with bacon.

  43. kismet618 January 20th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    I’m hoping with a new better defensive catcher, maybe we will see some of the nasty he showed in his walk year in Toronto

  44. upstate kate January 20th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    I have half a pig in my freezer…we buy our meat locally…the bacon is out of this world

  45. Bronx Jeers January 20th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Sometimes some of the Yankees seem so happy to see their opponents it drives me wild.

    ——————————————————————————————————————

    Giambi was like that. Mr Friendly. Abreu was another guy that never missed a chance to show off his pearly whites.

    And I don’t even know if that means anything but it can be annoying if they’re getting schooled in an important game and it’s a big lovefest out there.

    Catchers are generally grumpy though. Good to hear that Martin follows that trend. Let’s hope he’s healthy.

  46. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    I have an appetizer recipe that uses bacon and something really sweet – pitted datea. You toast some whole almonds and put them into the pitted dates, then wrap with bacon and bake in the oven. Delish and Easy! Sweet, Salty & Smoked. :)

  47. BoJo January 20th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    I for one was so happy to see Giambi, Abreau, Melky, and Mussina go..Torre too…I never really felt that the players mentioned were true Yankees.

  48. BoJo January 20th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Doreen-

    Hmmmmmmmm!!

  49. YsGuy January 20th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    i dont see any reason to believe that being friendly with other guys you spend your youth playing with and against has any negative effect on play. Neither did i ever see a reason that hating on your rivals does any good.

    that kinda stuff may work in football or collage basketball, but i dont think it has much effect at all on baseball.

  50. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    Joe from Long Island January 20th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
    Chip – I think the only way the Rangers do that is if they decide they can’t keep Hamilton. For the Yanks, pretty interesting, as they have the depth so that losing those players isn’t fatal to their system.

    ———————–

    I just saw the massive gulf between what Hamilton wants in arbitration and what the Rangers are offering.

    Texas is also facing a lot of risk with Hamilton, he’s going to be up for a new contract in a couple of years and while his production is outstanding his issues (both substance and injury) make his true value an iffy subject.

    It’s generally not a good move to consider dealing an MVP – but you could also make the argument that his value will never be higher than it is right now and they certainly have the horses to field a powerful lineup without him.

  51. SAS January 20th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    I wrap meatloaf in bacon. It really adds to the flavor. I don’t eat the bacon though, but my family does.

    The bacon salt for whoever asked is a flavoring. It is not from the food otherwise it couldn’t be kosher.

  52. upstate kate January 20th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Doreen
    how long/what temp? sounds yummy

    that was me SAS, I didn’t see how bacon could be vegetarian

  53. Erin January 20th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Doreen-those sound really good!

    I remember my grandma making pineapple chunks wrapped in bacon-those were delicious.

  54. YsGuy January 20th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    ‘true yankees’ the most overused term in baseball.

    babe ruth wasn’t a true yankee, he came from the sox and undermined his manager over and over.

    billy martin was a true yankee, and a bit of a nut-job.

    was the overly cool and dispassionate dimaggio, who demanded appearance fees and his self-written introductions to appear at YS a ‘true yankee?”

    was the mantle being a ‘true yankee’ showing up at the stadium too hungover to perform?

    is arod a true yankee? cc? paulie? tino? if not, then it takes alot more than just ‘true yankees’ to win.
    .

  55. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    Two games from Thurman Munson that stands out were the ’78 ALCS in Game 3 off of Doug Bird with the 8th inning 2 run 450 foot blast into the Yankee bullpen and in 1971, when he was charged with his only error of the season, only because of a plate collision. Baltimore had Andy Etcherbarren on first and then a double. Etcherbarren was trying to score frm first base and was out by 15 feet, but came in standing up with Munson holding the ball waiting for him. Etcherbarren threw an elbow to the side of Munson’s head and knocked him out cold and the ball rolled out of his glove while he was laying on the ground.

  56. Erica in NY January 20th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Heading to a seminar-

    Have a good rest of the day!

  57. Faiaz January 20th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    For the months of April, May and July… Burnett’s was 9-3 with a 2.93 ERA.

    However for the months of June, August and September… he went 1-12 with a 8.20 ERA.

    He finished the season on a high note I suppose because in his only game for October against the Redsox… he gave up 2 earned runs over 6 innings.

    I dunno guys and gals… I think his marital troubles were a huge part of the downfall of last season. The inconsistencies are proof of that. Then again, maybe I am looking at the glass as it’s half full. Whatever it is… I agree with Girardi and I also think A.J. will have a bounceback year. From the first day of Mussina’s last season I said he would have a great season when a lot of people doubted and he ended up with a 20 win season. I feel the same way about Burnett so let’s hope I can catch lightning in a bottle twice with this prediction.

  58. Nick in SF January 20th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Edwar was a True Yankee.

    Wait, make that a Thin Yankee.

  59. Faiaz January 20th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Burnett’s record* was 9-3

  60. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    upstate kate -

    350 degrees, for 20-25 minutes (or until bacon is crisp). Drain a little on paper towel and I spear it with a toothpick.

    Use one-half slice bacon for each date.

    The beauty of this recipe is you can make as many or as few as you want!

    (There’s an olive dipping sauce that goes with, but I’ve found my guests don’t even bother so I don’t make it anymore.)

    Erin-

    Yum – pineapple and bacon sounds sooooo good.

    My mom tops her turkey with bacon before she roasts it. I always loved picking off the really crispy bacon pieces. Yummmmy!

  61. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    For the superbowl I usually make Jalepeno poppers stuffed with bacon and cheese. They’re really good – though this year I’m thinking of going with Chorizo instead.

  62. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    My husband and I are very health& weight conscious, but when we do indulge it’s the real thing. Real ice cream. BACON. Real butter. Real sugar.

    I’ve also read that if you have to have bacon you’re much better off having the real thing than any of the imitations. Just don’t eat a whole side of it! :)

  63. rodg12 January 20th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Bacon-wrapped lil smokies with brown sugar are one of the best creations in the history of man-kind.

  64. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Chip -

    What will you do with the chorizo?

  65. Bronx Jeers January 20th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    “lil smokies” ?

    Sounds like a Slim-Jim type product.

    If so I’m not sure about the best creation in history statement. :wink:

  66. Erin January 20th, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    It’s a good thing I’m going to lunch in a few minutes-I’m starving from all of this bacon talk!! LOL

  67. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
    Chip -

    What will you do with the chorizo?

    ———————

    Take it out of the casing and break it up, sautee it to render it down a bit, put it in a bowl with some light cream cheese (or the laughing cow stuff) and shredded cheddar and a little hot sauce, mix them together.

    Slice the peppers in half length-wise gutting most of the seed and ribs but leaving the stems. Spoon some of the mixture into each half pepper, put them in the oven on a rack under the broiler and roast them until the cheese starts to melt and get a good crust.

    let them sit a few minutes, use the stems to hold them as you eat.

  68. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    By the way – if you have an icecream maker – might I suggest banana ice cream base with nutella swirls.

  69. Betsy January 20th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    I’m very skeptical of AJ; the most I think we can expect of him is to be decent, maybe like he was in 2009 (when he was ok, but not THAT good). I’m eager to see Rothschild’s effect on all the SP, though – I have a good feeling about him.

  70. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Chip -

    That sounds really, really good. The ice cream, too. I do have an ice cream maker, but I haven’t used it in a couple of years.

  71. Betsy January 20th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    I do have a very good feeling about Martin………..

  72. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    As usual, jumped in at the end and saw all this food talk. Banana ice cream with nutella swirls sounds out of this world. (I am much more a sweets junkie than a food junkie.)

    I’ll be having no super bowl food this year, alas. No Pats, no super bowl party.

    :)

  73. upstate kate January 20th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    Chip
    That sounds good…with a bit of recipe modification it sounds like an easy dinner…I have some home made chorizo in the freezer and some red peppers at home…

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    Doreen, this reminds me of the time we had an extended forum discussion about french fries and their toppings, and some poster named Gary was furious with us for talking about food during a game!

    :)

  75. Pat M. January 20th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Doreen…..Fruitti Di Mare Diablo tonight at The Villa Nova, Patio table……Since the topic has moved to cuisine……

  76. mick January 20th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    was the mantle being a ‘true yankee’ showing up at the stadium too hungover to perform?

    =============================
    the mantle being?

  77. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    I think that a very angry bear will bring down a jet.

  78. upstate kate January 20th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Jerkface was the one who started the bacon conversation, so we have him to thank (or blame) Anyway it is better than the same old Cashman/Joba/Andy talk.

  79. Betsy January 20th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Back to the Cash’s comments, I’ve always liked him and I think he’s a good GM, but let him go to a small market team since he thinks he has something to prove (I’ve not gotten over that asinine “atta boy” comment). I am not suggesting he spend bad money on bad players, but he works for the Yankees – the Yankees have nothing to be ashamed of if they take advantage of the $$$ they have. His comments left me cold- beyond rude. A press conference introducing a player is supposed to be a positive thing- Cashman used it to further whatever agenda he has.

  80. Gary January 20th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    I was just reading some additional articles about the news conference yesterday. I wasn’t aware that Levine negotiated with Boras for the team, and I again thought that Brian’s comments were not entirely consistent with what you would expect him to say as a loyal employee? It’s sound like mgmt just didn’t trust him to do the deal.

    I’m hoping for a lot of reasons that Rafel does well this year. I think Brians comments could have been more positive towards a player who is now on the team. Right now I thyink it’s 50/50 at best Brian is back with the team after this year.

  81. Bronx Jeers January 20th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Doreen, this reminds me of the time we had an extended forum discussion about french fries and their toppings,

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    It may have started with Poutine.

    I recall some didn’t understand gravy as a suitable topping. I deftly pointed out mashed potatoes.

  82. Gary January 20th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Betsy, we must have been having a vulcan mind meld when we were both typing our posts. :-)

  83. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Pat M -

    I am Jealous!!!!

    :)

  84. Gary January 20th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    Bronx Jeers January 20th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
    “lil smokies” ?

    Sounds like a Slim-Jim type product.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    They are a pool party favorite down here.

  85. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    upstate kate January 20th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
    Chip
    That sounds good…with a bit of recipe modification it sounds like an easy dinner…I have some home made chorizo in the freezer and some red peppers at home
    —————-

    For a full dinner – instead of all the cheese (which can get a little heavy) I cook up the chorizo, when it’s rendered I add some cooked white rice to the pan (so that it absorbs some of the flavor from the chorizo)

    While that’s going, I take the tops off the peppers, hollow them out, rub them with a little olive oil and sea salt, start roasting them – when they start getting tender take them out – fill them with the chorizo and rice, put some feta cheese across the top and finish them under the broiler.

  86. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Trisha -

    I think we always go back to a comfort zone – FOOD!

    :)

    Bronx Jeers -

    I’ll try french fries dipped in almost anything.

  87. pat January 20th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    GOSSIP BREAK……..

    From my niece at UM…..

    “Cam Diaz! Cardio machines/light weights. Nice to everyone. ARod checked on her and called her “Babe”- cute! Skinny solid w/A+ legs. Real pretty in person w/no make-up. EYES!”

  88. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
    Chip -

    That sounds really, really good. The ice cream, too. I do have an ice cream maker, but I haven’t used it in a couple of years.

    ——————

    Telling you – banana nutella – you’ll never go to Ben and Jerry’s again.

  89. Gary January 20th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
    Doreen, this reminds me of the time we had an extended forum discussion about french fries and their toppings, and some poster named Gary was furious with us for talking about food during a game!

    _________________________________________________________________________

    I was not that Gary, in retired land here that’s all people talk about is food. Buy one get one free, half price coupons, Best Pizza, Worst Pizza ect :-)

  90. upstate kate January 20th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    ah poutine…gotta love those Canadians :)
    That is my son’s favorite meal when he goes skiing.

  91. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    Gary January 20th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
    Bronx Jeers January 20th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
    “lil smokies” ?

    Sounds like a Slim-Jim type product.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    They are a pool party favorite down here.

    —————

    There’s a farmer’s market near me that takes the cheese filled smokies, puts them inside a soft pretzel with a little sugar water to make the salt stick on the outside…amazing.

  92. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    The possible reason for Cashman stepping out of the Soriano negotiations could be quite simple. He didn’t believe in the deal, and he still has to work with Boras as far as his clients go. Why make things tougher on the team by angering either Soriano or Boras?

  93. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    Chip -

    The variation for dinner sounds even better.

    I’ve written down both recipes. Can’t wait to try them.

  94. upstate kate January 20th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    that sounds even better Chip, thanks

  95. Gary January 20th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    GB, you could be right, but I worked in upper mgmt and after you had your say you stood up and saluted and did your job. I think Cash needs to get over this, he hasn’t exactly made all the best decisons either so why is he taking such a position on this one?

  96. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    pat -

    That was great gossip!!!!

    :)

  97. Betsy January 20th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Gary, lol..I think so….and I agree with you.

  98. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    February 5th is Nutella Day!!

    (Found this looking for banana/nutella swirl ice cream recipe)

  99. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Ladies – Glad to be of service.

  100. Gary January 20th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Chip January 20th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
    Gary January 20th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
    Bronx Jeers January 20th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
    “lil smokies” ?

    Sounds like a Slim-Jim type product.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    They are a pool party favorite down here.

    —————

    There’s a farmer’s market near me that takes the cheese filled smokies, puts them inside a soft pretzel with a little sugar water to make the salt stick on the outside…amazing.

    ______________________________________________________________________

    Over the weekend someone had some they got from Sam’s Club. I belong to Costco so I wasn’t familar with their brand which I guess is Members Choice. But I’ll tell you the chicken ones stuffed with the cheese were to kill for also.

  101. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
    February 5th is Nutella Day!!

    (Found this looking for banana/nutella swirl ice cream recipe)

    ——————————–

    NICE!

    No need for a recipe – just make regular vanilla base and puree it with soft banana’s make it the way your icecream maker tells you to – as it churns open up the nutella, stick in a spoon, and let it run into the icecream as it’s churning…comes out perfectly

  102. Wave Your Hat January 20th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    “The possible reason for Cashman stepping out of the Soriano negotiations could be quite simple. He didn’t believe in the deal, and he still has to work with Boras as far as his clients go.”

    Possible certainly.

    Alternative explanation. After Lee got away there emerged an “I’ll show you how to get a deal done” dynamic.

  103. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
    The possible reason for Cashman stepping out of the Soriano negotiations could be quite simple. He didn’t believe in the deal, and he still has to work with Boras as far as his clients go. Why make things tougher on the team by angering either Soriano or Boras?

    ——————-

    I was thinking something along those lines – also that since Cash wasn’t behind the deal the SteinBrothers wanted to remove him from the mix so that if the deal fell through there wouldn’t be any whispers about Cashman intentionally tanking it.

  104. mick January 20th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    cash was honest, went with his marching orders but was overruled, if he doesn’t cop to it he looks disingenuous re: the draft pick remark….he is obviously afraid to spend money that isn’t his. They have indoctrinated him in that philosophy and make him look like a go-fer.

  105. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    See, Cashman had his say and HE has more than likely moved on.

    Who is not over it is those who are not Cashman – the fans, the papers, the radio, etc.

  106. Pat M. January 20th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    A few years back I was on the security line at John Wayne Airport ( 5:30 AM ) and Cameron was in front of me….Wasn’t terrible moved but she does have those eyes……Now Jennifer Aniston, yes…..Doreen, I’ll think of you as a drink a glass of Chianti this evening as the sun sets into the Pacific….

  107. Bronx Jeers January 20th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Chip,

    I’d be very tempted to throw a little bit of peanut butter in that ice cream of yours.

    Also, take out the nutella and add some of our beloved bacon and you get “Elvis” flavored ice cream.

  108. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Gary January 20th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
    GB, you could be right, but I worked in upper mgmt and after you had your say you stood up and saluted and did your job. I think Cash needs to get over this, he hasn’t exactly made all the best decisons either so why is he taking such a position on this one?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    How many of your upper management meetings were put out in the media? He publically said that it was not his desire to sign a relief pitcher at that sort of cost and at the loss of the team’s top draft choice. Whether it was Cashman’s choice to step out on the negotiations or not, is beside the point. It was a smart move to not let any negative feelings into the talks.

  109. Tom in N.J. January 20th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    Mexican lasagna tonight for me.

  110. Gary January 20th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 20th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
    “The possible reason for Cashman stepping out of the Soriano negotiations could be quite simple. He didn’t believe in the deal, and he still has to work with Boras as far as his clients go.”

    Possible certainly.

    Alternative explanation. After Lee got away there emerged an “I’ll show you how to get a deal done” dynamic.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    Stayed tuned at the end of the 2011 season for the winner of the I told you so competition. Seems like neither Hal nor Brian might be willing to let this one go and it may well come back up later on.

  111. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    Bronx Jeers January 20th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
    Chip,

    I’d be very tempted to throw a little bit of peanut butter in that ice cream of yours.

    Also, take out the nutella and add some of our beloved bacon and you get “Elvis” flavored ice cream.

    ——————-

    the wife and I enjoy making “backward” icecreams – so for example instead of making chocolate ice cream with peanut butter we make peanut butter icecream with chocolate chunks.

    Our “Rocky Road” is fluff ice cream with chunks of pecans (she’s allergic to walnuts) and chocolate

    Did a pumpkin pie icecream with crushed candied pecans.

  112. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    Chip -

    Thanks. Figured that was it.

    In my searches, I found this easy variation for those who either don’t have an ice cream maker or just aren’t keen on making their own ice cream:

    Just get the best quality vanilla ice cream you like. Chop up some soft bananas. Soften the ice cream and then fold in the bananas and the nutella. Don’t over mix. I’d imagine if you don’t want chunks of banana you could really mash them fine and that would work, too. Then put in a container and put back into the freezer.

    Don’t let the ice cream melt, just soften, or you get those ice crystals.

  113. mick January 20th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    cash feared for his job….what! another high priced failure out of the pen??!!?? not me…he’s paranoid from past failures

  114. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Tom in N.J. January 20th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
    Mexican lasagna tonight for me.

    ——————–

    I’m buying a couple of tuna steaks, putting them through my meat grinder with some hard boiled egg, parsley, and dill and making tuna burgers with a watermellon, feta and mint salad.

  115. mick January 20th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    ben n jerry’s Cherry Garcia…

    haagen dasz Rum Raisin

  116. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    I’m not buying “the Yankees have gone cheap” crap. They haven’t stopped spending in the last 3 years. Other than a starter, there are few real needs on this team. There were two starters in the FA class that was worth going after.

  117. Gary January 20th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
    Gary January 20th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
    GB, you could be right, but I worked in upper mgmt and after you had your say you stood up and saluted and did your job. I think Cash needs to get over this, he hasn’t exactly made all the best decisons either so why is he taking such a position on this one?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    How many of your upper management meetings were put out in the media? He publically said that it was not his desire to sign a relief pitcher at that sort of cost and at the loss of the team’s top draft choice. Whether it was Cashman’s choice to step out on the negotiations or not, is beside the point. It was a smart move to not let any negative feelings into the talks.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    GB like he said in the press conference it wasn’t his decison to make, he only makes recommendations. Tactically he made a mistake, he articulated a positon to the media like he was the final decison maker, where he really didn’t have that level of authority.

  118. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    Pat M -

    Did I tell you when we were there, we looked out the window, and there was a couple in a gondola with a gondolier and everything???

    Sure wish it was a drive away and not a cross country trip. I was looking at my pictures the other day and I really want to go back. I also want to go back to Paris. For now, well, it’s gonna be April in EPCOT instead. LOL

  119. pat January 20th, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    All the chorizo talk has inspired me to make paella for dinner tonight.

  120. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    I still have to say I don’t get that poutine thing. It just doesn’t sound good!

    Doreen, our comfort zone. You bet!

    Back to the future – the only things I will ever use on my fries are ketchup and vinegar. I can live without the ketchup if forced, but fries without vinegar aren’t worth the calories.

    :)

    Gary, I definitely didn’t think you were the same Gary. That guy was oppressive!

  121. mick January 20th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    Nathans french fries

  122. LGY January 20th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    “I’m very skeptical of AJ; the most I think we can expect of him is to be decent, maybe like he was in 2009 (when he was ok, but not THAT good).”

    ———————–

    Burnett had a 114 ERA+ in 2009.

    He was one of the better #2′s in the AL.

  123. pat January 20th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    JackCurryYES Cashman and Boras had lengthy meeting about Andruw Jones after Soriano presser on Wed. Yanks like Jone as 4th OF, but sides apart on $.

  124. BoJo January 20th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    If Cashman feared for his job or felt he had been burned on signing set up men before, I am diappointed in his thinking logic.

    First, Tom Gordon had a 4 WAR value in 2004 and a 2.5 in 2005, and was a good investment. Relievers can be brought in that turn out to be good investments.

    Second, Girardi does not manage his setup men like Torre did. He won’t burn them out.

    Third, I’m worried that Cashman can’t tell the difference in talent level between some of the “hacks” he signed and Soriano.

    To me, his baseball logic is more upsetting than his rift with ownership.

  125. BoJo January 20th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    French fries with melted swiss cheese and mustard (Philly influence)

  126. upstate kate January 20th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    Trisha
    My son writes a humor column for his college newspaper. He recently wrote a column on winter sports and the following are his comments on poutine:

    It’s thanks to skiing and snowboarding that poutine came to exist. Poutine consists of French fries drenched with cheese and gravy that give you enough fuel to keep you warm and enough cholesterol to chill out your turns as you shred the mountain. Poutine is most definitely a Canadian invention, and it’s the best way to warm up frozen skiers after they race back to the lodge.

  127. BoJo January 20th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    pat January 20th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    JackCurryYES Cashman and Boras had lengthy meeting about Andruw Jones after Soriano presser on Wed. Yanks like Jone as 4th OF, but sides apart on $.
    +++++++++++++++
    Where esle is Jones going to go? He got $500K the last 2 years, and people aren’t kicking the door down to sign him, are they?

  128. Pat M. January 20th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    Doreen….I remember your visit there ……For me it’s a 5 minute drive down from the cliffs…..

  129. Nick in SF January 20th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    I think this Cashman rift with ownership is being way overdone here.

    Spread a little Nutella on it and it will taste sweeter and go down easier.

  130. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Kate – :) I love your son’s descriptions! But I still can’t bring myself to think of that as tasty! I think I could do the cheese part of it, but the thought of the addition of the gravy actually turns my stomach. It just doesn’t sound like it goes together!

    However, talk about a dream period of time. A while back I was hospitalized with what turned out to be thyroiditis. When I left the hospital the doctor told me that my thyroid was going to continue to be active for about two weeks and gave me medication to slow down my heart but said that my metabolism would continue to be on overdrive.

    I got home from the hospital, went over to my parents house to recuperate, and made myself a sundae in a dish just about the size of a pasta bowl! I put every junk thing that I could find in my mom’s baking cupboard, plus anything else I could find that sounded good. I don’t remember what kind of ice cream it was but I do remember using the following things as toppings. A banana, chocolate chips, peanut butter, walnuts, fudge sauce, and cool whip. And several cherries. (We didn’t have whipped cream or I would have used it.)

    What heaven it was eating that sundae knowing that not an ounce of it would end up on my body!

  131. LGY January 20th, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    Cashman’s reason for not signing Soriano are straightforward. He told everyone yesterday.

    He is given a certain amount of money to work with and felt that $12 million for a pitcher that will pitch at most 70 innings and is not a closer is a poor use of the resources he is given.

    There is no smoke or mirrors here or mystery.

  132. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    Bojo – mustard????? I have an adventuresome palate, but mustard?

  133. Erin January 20th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    pat January 20th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
    GOSSIP BREAK??..

    From my niece at UM?..

    ?Cam Diaz! Cardio machines/light weights. Nice to everyone. ARod checked on her and called her ?Babe?- cute! Skinny solid w/A+ legs. Real pretty in person w/no make-up. EYES!?

    ******************************
    Very good gossip break! :)

  134. scargo1013 January 20th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    I love reading that AJ will have a “bounceback” year. Does that mean he will bounce all the way back to his customary .500 season?

    Why do the Yankees go after mediocre pitchers whose only claim to fame is that they sometimes pitch well against the Yankees.

  135. LGY January 20th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    “A press conference introducing a player is supposed to be a positive thing- Cashman used it to further whatever agenda he has.”

    ——————-

    Betsy,

    What was Cashman supposed to do? He was asked the questions and he answered them honestly.

    I really don’t get what the problem is here.

  136. pat January 20th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    “I think this Cashman rift with ownership is being way overdone here.”

    Yup. My employers disagree with my recommendations all the time and no one loses sleep over it including me.

  137. BoJo January 20th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    Bojo – mustard????? I have an adventuresome palate, but mustard?
    +++++++++++
    Delicious…also on soft pretzels….or cheesesteaks

  138. upstate kate January 20th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Trisha
    Poutine is waaaay too heavy for me. Mustard goes w/ soft pretzels, so I suppose it could go w/ french fries.

  139. BoJo January 20th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    My wife likes them with sour cream–which also is kinda fun

  140. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Amazing. Cashman gets hammered for not spilling his guts and gets hammered for spilling his guts. The difference is only what day it is.

  141. Erin January 20th, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    BoJo January 20th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
    trisha ? true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    Bojo – mustard????? I have an adventuresome palate, but mustard?
    +++++++++++
    Delicious?also on soft pretzels?.or cheesesteaks

    *******************************
    I always put mustard on soft pretzels :)

  142. upstate kate January 20th, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    If AJ would have had a .500 season, the Yankees would have won the AL east..then again maybe it was a blessing to face the Twins instead of the Rangers for the 1st round.

  143. LGY January 20th, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    I also think it is funny the amount of people saying this is a sign Cashman is on his way out.

    This is the same GM who said he would not lose a draft pick for Soriano.

    A draft pick that most on here believe won’t contribute for a number of years (if ever).

    Cashman does not seem too concerned he will be here for the foreseeable future.

  144. BoJo January 20th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    LGY January 20th, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    Cashman’s reason for not signing Soriano are straightforward. He told everyone yesterday.

    He is given a certain amount of money to work with and felt that $12 million for a pitcher that will pitch at most 70 innings and is not a closer is a poor use of the resources he is given.
    ++++++++++++++
    One can understand his thinking when he also disclosed that he was talking to Pavano…That would have beenn abut $10M of his budget.

    I’m guessing that Hal will give him more budget money should a pitcher become available thru trade.

  145. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Posed this question earlier – is it possible that Cashman is a little resentful of the SteinBrothers and Levine?

    Hal and Hank were never heavily involved with the team – we all remember that the presumptive heir to the Boss was his son-in-law Swindall until his infidelity got him the boot. Swindall, Torre, and Cash had a very strong working relationship and then when Swindall left everything else started falling apart.

    Now Cashman is answering to people who really had no interest in the Yankees while Brian’s been there everyday for 30 years.

    Is there maybe a little “really, you guys who deal with hotels and horse racing think you know better how to run the club than I do? Why? Because your name is Steinbrenner?”

  146. BoJo January 20th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    Erin–

    Delicious, right?

  147. Erin January 20th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    LGY January 20th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
    I also think it is funny the amount of people saying this is a sign Cashman is on his way out.

    ************************
    Me too. If he wants to be back, he’ll be back.

    Last season there was endless speculation that Girardi would leave, looks like this season it’ll be whether Cashman will leave or not.

  148. m January 20th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    Hello, Yankee people.

    Cash is on the menu today?

    I was surprised at how blunt Cash was. Didn’t exactly roll out the red carpet.

    I’m torn on the subject. There may be fire where there’s smoke.

    But several things are clear. First, we get jobbed on every trade scenario. Yet, Cash has had some gems.

    Torn on Cliff Lee, too. We didn’t do everything we could to get him, but that to me just means that they didn’t need or want him as much as they did Sabathia. Cash also probably sensed that Lee had his sights set elsewhere.

    I know people dump on Cash, but it can’t be easy working with the Steinbrenners and bleephole GM’s.

    I still trust the stewardship of Cashman, and still believe he’ll land on his feet if they can’t put out any potential fires.

    Not to say there’s trouble there, but sometimes you don’t have to read between the lines.

  149. Erin January 20th, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    BoJo January 20th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
    Erin?

    Delicious, right?

    *************************
    absolutely :)

    One of my favorites.

  150. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    In all honesty, I thought the subject was done when the thread changed, but I guess not.

    What I don’t like is ketchup on hot dogs.

  151. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    LGY January 20th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
    I also think it is funny the amount of people saying this is a sign Cashman is on his way out.

    This is the same GM who said he would not lose a draft pick for Soriano.

    A draft pick that most on here believe won’t contribute for a number of years (if ever).

    Cashman does not seem too concerned he will be here for the foreseeable future.

    ——————–

    Circumstances can change right?

    On the day he said that he wouldn’t give away the draft pick he probably meant it. On the day when he vented and sounded a bit annoyed maybe he was thinking, “I am so tired of these guys overruling me – I’m outta here as soon as my contract is up.”

  152. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Gang, mustard on soft pretzels, I’m there. I always have it that way.

    :)

  153. BoJo January 20th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    I don’t think this is the first FA signed that Cash was lukewarm on…

    Sheffield for one comes to mind. I’m sure there are others.

    Soriano will be very offended until he cashes his first paycheck…after which all will be well.

  154. LGY January 20th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    “One can understand his thinking when he also disclosed that he was talking to Pavano…That would have beenn abut $10M of his budget.”

    ———————-

    Pavano pitched 159 more innings than Soriano last year, yet is set to make $2 million less (and he was not just an innings eater. Those innings were high quality).

    Even the most ardent supporters of the Soriano signing would be hard pressed to argue the contract is a good use of resources.

  155. BoJo January 20th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    Trisha :-)

  156. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    Hi m.

  157. m January 20th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Hola!

  158. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    “In all honesty, I thought the subject was done when the thread changed, but I guess not.”

    It was. As far as I’m concerned. :)

    Is the “no ketchup on a hotdog” just you Doreen or is it regional? How about on a hamburger? Maybe that stuff is really just preference because I find relish awful (I don’t relish relish!) but I know others who use it freely. I have to be in the mood for mustard, but I will typically go for ketchup and onions on both hotdogs and hamburgers.

  159. BoJo January 20th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    LGY January 20th, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    Even the most ardent supporters of the Soriano signing would be hard pressed to argue the contract is a good use of resources.
    ++++++++++
    True..But if the owners want to open the budget and throw in Soriano, I would have been very happy. I wonder if the money is coming out of Brian’s “budget” or not.

  160. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    LGY -

    It is not an efficient use of resources. It is the owners’ resources to do with as they please, though. :)

  161. Erin January 20th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    YankeesWFAN RT @FoleysNY: Yankee GM Brian Cashman to guest bartend at our Anniversary party! Proceeds to charity! http://on.fb.me/fbQxaj

  162. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    BoJo January 20th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
    LGY January 20th, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    Even the most ardent supporters of the Soriano signing would be hard pressed to argue the contract is a good use of resources.
    ++++++++++
    True..But if the owners want to open the budget and throw in Soriano, I would have been very happy. I wonder if the money is coming out of Brian’s “budget” or not.

    ————————-

    Agreed. If the owners tell Brian “we don’t care about the budget right now, we want this guy signed.” then the budget is not Brian’s concern.

  163. upstate kate January 20th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    why would Soriano be offended? He needed an interpreter, he probably doesn’t even know what was said.

    mustard on hot dogs
    ketchup on burgers

  164. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    You have to wonder how Soriano feels about hearing on his first day in pinstripes that the GM didn’t want him here.

    That’s a great vote of confidence.

  165. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    “Even the most ardent supporters of the Soriano signing would be hard pressed to argue the contract is a good use of resources.”

    I am a MOST ardent supporter of the Soriano signing and I am here to argue that the contract is a GREAT use of resources.

    1. It’s not my money so I don’t really care.

    2. If it helps the Yankees win games it’s a good use of resources.

    3. If it helps to save some of Mariano’s bullets it’s a very good use of resources.

    4. If it helps to extend our bullpen at a time when our rotation is certainly not unequivocally filled with innings eaters, it’s a very very good use of resources.

    5. If it turns out that Soriano is heir to Mariano, it’s a GREAT use of resources.

    Thank you, thank you!

    :)

  166. Joe from Long Island January 20th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    re: Cash’s role in the Soriano business – I don’t think it’s necessarily bad for Cash to have that position, if that’s what he really thought was best for the organization.

    Think about it. He makes a recommendation against signing a bigtime contract, and someone else does the deal. OK, he supports the player, and is a team player and all – but the next time he comes to Hal and wants to spend a bundle (a la Tex’s deal), he can honestly say that he thinks things through and not just blindly spends, and he really thinks this guy now is worth it, Hal.

    It spreads responsibility for the budget around a little. Not bad office politics, IMO.

    But, who knows…..

  167. Erin January 20th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Is the ?no ketchup on a hotdog? just you Doreen or is it regional?

    ***********************
    I can tell you that in Chicagoland, putting ketchup on a hotdog is considered blasphemy. ;)

  168. BoJo January 20th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Erin January 20th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    YankeesWFAN RT @FoleysNY: Yankee GM Brian Cashman to guest bartend at our Anniversary party! Proceeds to charity! http://on.fb.me/fbQxaj
    +++++++++++++
    Looks like Brian really is trying to find a new job…first Santa’s elf rappelling down a tower, and now this

  169. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    “So tired of them over ruling” him? It was one time as far as anybody knows. As far as the Rodriguez re-signing goes, name a better third baseman that’s been on the market since 2007? nothing like exaggeration .

  170. LGY January 20th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Trisha,

    I stopped reading at #1 because it is impossible to honestly argue it is a good use of resources starting with that line of thinking.

  171. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Trisha -

    Well, I guess it’s just me. My kids like ketchup on their hot dogs. I like mustard, onions, sauerkraut, even chili (which is tomato-based), but not ketchup. Ketchup on burgers though. And I’ll try almost anything on a burger. I don’t like sweet relish on either a hot dog or hamburger, but I like sweet gherkins on the side.

  172. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    “Yankee GM Brian Cashman to guest bartend at our Anniversary party!”

    Securing future employment?

    :D

  173. Erin January 20th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    upstate kate January 20th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
    why would Soriano be offended? He needed an interpreter, he probably doesn?t even know what was said.

    mustard on hot dogs
    ketchup on burgers

    ********************
    I have to have ketchup and mustard on burgers.

    I’m getting hungry again with the contintued food talk. I have to go to a little retirement celebration for one of the ladies in my department in a few minutes-I’m hoping there’s cake. :) Last time I went to one all they had out was punch.

  174. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    LGY –

    1. If it helps the Yankees win games it’s a good use of resources.

    2. If it helps to save some of Mariano’s bullets it’s a very good use of resources.

    3. If it helps to extend our bullpen at a time when our rotation is certainly not unequivocally filled with innings eaters, it’s a very very good use of resources.

    4. If it turns out that Soriano is heir to Mariano, it’s a GREAT use of resources.

    Thank you, thank you!

  175. upstate kate January 20th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    what? Cashman doing yet another charity event? what is wrong w/ him?!!! why I bet he supports HOPE week too!

  176. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    “Last time I went to one all they had out was punch.”

    Well that’s low rent! What’s a retirement party without cake?! (Maybe they were giving the retiree a message, ha ha.)

  177. pat January 20th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Seems money and not necessarily the player themselves has been the reason Cash has been against signings he was eventually over-ridden on.

  178. Tom in N.J. January 20th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Cashman wouldn’t serve the appletini because “it wasn’t the best use of our vodka”.

    :mad:

    The owner had to make them himself.

  179. LGY January 20th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    I’ll go to Foley’s next week and ask Cash

    1. Is Pettitte returning?
    2. Will Joba be in the rotation?
    3. Were you overruled on Soriano?

    It will be groundbreaking stuff when I report the answers back to lohud.

  180. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
    “So tired of them over ruling” him? It was one time as far as anybody knows. As far as the Rodriguez re-signing goes, name a better third baseman that’s been on the market since 2007? nothing like exaggeration .

    ——————

    GB – I’m not arguing whether the Yankee brass was right or wrong in the ways they overruled him. I would have signed Soriano and re-signed Alex too. That’s not the question.

    The point I’m making is that in at least those two cases Brian has made declarative statements “We’re not negotiating with Alex Rodriguez” “I’m not giving up our first round pick” and then in less than a month been made to look the fool as higher-ups did the exact opposite of what he said.

  181. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Erin – wow! This stuff is interesting though isn’t it? Blasphemy in Chicago, necessity in RI. I’d love to know where it all comes from. What was plentiful? The tried-and-true staples of the immigrant populations?

  182. LGY January 20th, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    trisha,

    You didn’t really make the argument, because you didn’t deal with the amount being paid or in other words the amount of resources being used.

    By that logic, Soriano could be paid $30 million a year and it would be a good use of resources.

  183. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    LGY January 20th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
    I’ll go to Foley’s next week and ask Cash

    1. Is Pettitte returning?
    2. Will Joba be in the rotation?
    3. Were you overruled on Soriano?

    It will be groundbreaking stuff when I report the answers back to lohud.

    —————–

    He already answered 2 & 3 so I think even the most ardent supporter of your efforts would find it hard to argue that it would be a smart allocation of your time.

  184. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    LGY January 20th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
    trisha,

    You didn’t really make the argument, because you didn’t deal with the amount being paid or in other words the amount of resources being used.

    By that logic, Soriano could be paid $30 million a year and it would be a good use of resources.

    ————————–

    Can I ask why you’re worried about how much the Yankees spent on Soriano when the guys who are actually paying him not only signed off on the deal but are the ones who negotiated it in the first place?

  185. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    While I don’t find the whole thing rivetting, I can understand why Cashman has tried to hold the line on money. He was caught betweent the devil and the deep blue on that one. “All the Yankees ever do is buy championships.”

    Think I’ll go and have some rice chex. :( (I really am trying to undo the holiday damages.)

  186. UnKnown January 20th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Good OTL on right now ESPN. Front Office issues.

  187. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Has there been any reports on how much money the Yankees made on Rodriguez’ 600th homer? They will be splitting profits on the 6 targets, though Rodriguez’s part caps at $5 mil each.

  188. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    “By that logic, Soriano could be paid $30 million a year and it would be a good use of resources.”

    You betcha! Do I hear 40?

  189. LGY January 20th, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    “He already answered 2 & 3 so I think even the most ardent supporter of your efforts would find it hard to argue that it would be a smart allocation of your time.”

    ——————-

    Chipster,

    The actual answers will not be the interesting part. It will be how Cashman phrases it.

    Since Cashman doesn’t care if he returns to the Yankees at the end of the year, is disgruntled and resentful of ownership, and does not respect True Yankees he will obviously give me a quote/s lohud can complain about for days.

    “We are almost out of Sam Adams over here! Just like I am almost out of money to spend because those idiots Levine, Hank, and Hal spent most of my budget on a reliever!!”

    “This scotch is as old as Derek Jeter!”

    I can see it now.

  190. LGY January 20th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    “You betcha! Do I hear 40?”

    —————

    trisha,

    I’m thinking $1 million for every inning pitched.

  191. Tom in N.J. January 20th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    Look at what the good starters outside of Lee made this offseason:

    Lilly’s getting 11 million per.
    Pavano and Westbrook are getting 8.5 million per.
    De La Rosa getting about 10.5 per year.

    Those guys are all good starters who will be counted on to pitch a lot of innings.

  192. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    Seriously, is this the most important thing happening in baseball? Only because it’s the Yankees do they make this into a big brouhaha.

    :roll:

    However, interesting that Buster Olney just noted that this signing could really help the Yankees because it gives them good depth in the bullpen because they are short in the rotation. Geeze, do you think the Yankees thought of that one?

    Also, Buster doesn’t think this will damage anything with Cashman since he has a good relationship with the Steinbrenners.

    Can posters now put away their worry beads and kleenex? Geesh!

  193. jacksquat January 20th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    Chip January 20th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
    You have to wonder how Soriano feels about hearing on his first day in pinstripes that the GM didn’t want him here.

    That’s a great vote of confidence.

    He didn’t say he didn’t want him here. He said he didn’t want to pay that much for a middle reliever, and give up his first round pick. He *did* say he thinks Soriano is a very good pitcher and will definitely help the club. If Soriano doesn’t understand that, that’s his problem.

    Cashman said what he said just days before Soriano was signed. What is he supposed to do after when the media asks him about it, flat out lie?

  194. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    “trisha,

    I’m thinking $1 million for every inning pitched.”

    :lol:

    Cheapskate!

  195. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    LGY January 20th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
    “He already answered 2 & 3 so I think even the most ardent supporter of your efforts would find it hard to argue that it would be a smart allocation of your time.”

    ——————-

    Chipster,

    The actual answers will not be the interesting part. It will be how Cashman phrases it.

    Since Cashman doesn’t care if he returns to the Yankees at the end of the year, is disgruntled and resentful of ownership, and does not respect True Yankees he will obviously give me a quote/s lohud can complain about for days.

    “We are almost out of Sam Adams over here! Just like I am almost out of money to spend because those idiots Levine, Hank, and Hal spent most of my budget on a reliever!!”

    “This scotch is as old as Derek Jeter!”

    I can see it now.

    ———————-

    And you accuse me of waxing hyperbole :-)

  196. austinmac January 20th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Trisha,

    Well said on Soriano. Tell LGY the Yankees will appreciate his $1M/inning contribution.

  197. upstate kate January 20th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Sam Adams??? a Boston beer??

  198. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    I’m SURE that Soriano realizes that baseball is a business and there isn’t always unanimity in decisions.

    He will be playing for Joe Girardi and with Mariano Rivera. Brian Cashman will not mistreat him. Soriano will take his money to the bank every week. I somehow think he will be more than fine.

  199. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
    Has there been any reports on how much money the Yankees made on Rodriguez’ 600th homer? They will be splitting profits on the 6 targets, though Rodriguez’s part caps at $5 mil each.

    ————–

    Not sure – more than a little but less than they would have if he didn’t get caught for steroids.

  200. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Doreen, sauerkraut and chili on a hot dog, yum yum! I’ve also been known to add melted cheese.

  201. LGY January 20th, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    “Can I ask why you’re worried about how much the Yankees spent on Soriano when the guys who are actually paying him not only signed off on the deal but are the ones who negotiated it in the first place?”

    —————–

    Chip,

    Does Soriano’s signing not count against Cashman’s budget, because he didn’t negotiate it?

  202. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    I’m sure the yankees got more than their $5 mil back between added tickets, signed photos and baseballs along with the added advertising on YES.

  203. LGY January 20th, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    “Sam Adams??? a Boston beer??”

    ————–

    Cashman is aiming to take over for Theo at the end of the year.

  204. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Sometimes I will buy those disgusting Pillsbury crescent rolls and put a slice of cheese and wrap them around hot dogs and bake them.

  205. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Now this is interesting stuff!

    Check it out. Three states names. RI is one. Smallest flippin’ state in the nation, but if there’s rotten underhanded dealings, you can be sure RI will come up big.

    Grr!

    http://www.latimes.com/news/na.....8310.story

  206. m January 20th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Hot dog guilty pleasures?

    Costco hot dog with a soda. $1.50

  207. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    “Trisha,

    Well said on Soriano. Tell LGY the Yankees will appreciate his $1M/inning contribution.”

    :D

  208. NJ Pete January 20th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    “This scotch is as old as Derek Jeter”

    This is a good thing!

  209. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    Doreen, I think the crescent roll wrapped hot dog thingy sounds great!

    ***************

    Seriously, my hats off to the FBI. Get that garbage off the streets.

  210. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    LGY January 20th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
    “Can I ask why you’re worried about how much the Yankees spent on Soriano when the guys who are actually paying him not only signed off on the deal but are the ones who negotiated it in the first place?”

    —————–

    Chip,

    Does Soriano’s signing not count against Cashman’s budget, because he didn’t negotiate it?

    —————

    It does, however the club had planned to spend $23 mil on Cliff Lee and another $12 mil on Andy which (as of now) it doesn’t look like they’ll be doing. So even with Soriano’s $11 mil the Yankees should still have at least $24 mil to burn this season before hitting their budget.

    I think that’s plenty of available money at this stage don’t you?

  211. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    m -

    About a month ago daughter and I were in the mall at lunchtime and decided to have a Nathan’s hotdog and we split a water. I think it was $4.50 for the two of us. :) (I never get hotdogs out.)

  212. m January 20th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    I’ve missed a lot, but what did you guys think about the kind of “worst to first” articles like the espn-nyone that came out right after the Soriano signing?

  213. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    “It does, however the club had planned to spend $23 mil on Cliff Lee and another $12 mil on Andy which (as of now) it doesn’t look like they’ll be doing. So even with Soriano’s $11 mil the Yankees should still have at least $24 mil to burn this season before hitting their budget.

    I think that’s plenty of available money at this stage don’t you?”

    YES!

  214. Chip January 20th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Chip January 20th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
    LGY January 20th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
    “Can I ask why you’re worried about how much the Yankees spent on Soriano when the guys who are actually paying him not only signed off on the deal but are the ones who negotiated it in the first place?”

    —————–

    Chip,

    Does Soriano’s signing not count against Cashman’s budget, because he didn’t negotiate it?

    ———–

    But more to the point. It still doesn’t explain why you’re worried about it? We honestly don’t know how it will impact the future budget. For all we know the conversation between Hal and Cashman was along the lines of:

    Hal: I understand your objections – this is how I want to proceed. If it doesn’t work out that’s on me and I won’t hold it against your budget in the future.

  215. m January 20th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    I think there’s a Nathans at the food court at Ala Moana. My stepmom had their chili dog. It was too gross to finish.

    We also have these red hot dogs called Maui hot dogs. Smaller, beef ones. Those are good.

  216. mick January 20th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    NEW ONE=========>>>>>>>

    JET FANS ONLY

  217. Doreen January 20th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    m =

    I had just a plain hot dog. It was good. I hadn’t had a Nathan’s hotdog in years. Decades, really. :) At fast food, the plainer, the safer, I figure. ;)

  218. Bronx Jeers January 20th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Anybody know of an Orange Julius ? Haven’t seen one in 20 years.

    Grey’s Papaya “recession special” is a personal favorite.

    One with mustard and kraut, one with mustard and onions, Papaya drink.

  219. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Some of the larger military bases in Kuwait, Afghanistan and Iraq also have some Nathan’s hotdog stands..all beef.

  220. mick January 20th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    MY Nathans hot dog includes kraut, mustard , ketchup relish and onions….did I leave anything out?

  221. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    On a “lighter” note:

    “The U.S. Attorney’s office said that two men were killed after getting into an argument with a Gambino associate over a spilled drink.”

    The pride of Italy.

    And this:

    “By early Thursday, TV stations showed some of the suspects — mainly middle-aged or older men — being brought in for processing, their wrists handcuffed, bellies bulging over loose jeans and sweatpants. Many had nicknames that read like a Hollywood script: “Lumpy,” “Johnny Pizza,” “The Bull,” “Baby Fat,” “Mush,” “Jello,” and “Meatball” among them.”

    :)

    You can’t make this stuff up!

  222. West Coast Yankee Fan January 20th, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    Here in Los Angeles we have Pink’s. Quite good, but I miss the “dirty water” Sabrett dogs I grew up on in NYC. Brown mustard and spicy red onions. Yum!

  223. CMCYankeesVA January 20th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    What are your true thoughts about the Yankees this season? Honestly my personal opinion and I’m sure like all of you think this too but If AJ keeps on being inconsistent and Andy Pettite retires well the Yankees are pretty much doomed…. Boston, you’re gonna win this year. At least Boston won’t win it all. I predict they will lose 4-1 in the WS.

  224. CMCYankeesVA January 20th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    I live very close to DC so the Nathans stands are well… there are no Nathans stands haha

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