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An interesting breakfast with Cashman

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 25, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brian Cashman was at a WFAN sponsored breakfast this morning, and while addressing the crowd, he acknowledged several truths about the Yankees. Most notably, Cashman said it’s possible Derek Jeter will be playing center field by the end of his current contract.

“I like corner outfielders and corner infielders who have power, so for me, if he’s ever gonna move, it’s probably gonna be a Robin Yount situation. But we don’t have to deal with it at this point,” Cashman said, according to ESPNNewYork. “We’ll deal with it when we have to.”

Nothing in Cashman’s comments suggests the Yankees are planning to make a move with Jeter, but Cashman has acknowledged the simple truth that a 36-year-old can’t stay at shortstop forever.

Most of the breakfast comments came from the Twitter account of ESPNW contributor Amanda Rykoff. Some other highlights:

• As far as I can remember, this is the first time Cashman has acknowledged that Joba Chamberlain hasn’t been the same since his injury in Texas.

• Cashman still wants to add a starting pitcher. “We’re one starter away from being a World Series contender,” he said. Cashman also acknowledged that the rotation best-case scenario is to have Andy Pettitte come back, moving Ivan Nova into the fifth spot.

• The Yankees see Andruw Jones as a new version of Marcus Thames with “slightly better defense.”

• Cashman has previously said Russell Martin, as long as he’s healthy, will absolutely be the Yankees starting catcher. Today he said there will be an open competition for the job.

• Cashman said that right now the Red Sox look like a better team than the Yankees, but the Yankees have the better bullpen.

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161 Responses to “An interesting breakfast with Cashman”

  1. mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    So it’s official: Boston wins the offseason .
    Come back Andy so we can challenge that dynasty in 2011.

  2. Chip January 25th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    I don’t think any of what he said should come as a great shock.

    The two most noteworthy items are:

    Finally giving a reason as to why Joba’s in the pen and not the rotation mix

    That the job of starting catcher is open for competition.

    On the catching front – I believe it’s open for competition as much as the starting job was an open competition last year between Hughes, Joba, Mitre and Aceves. Jesus Montero would have to come in tearing the cover off the baseball and treating major league pitchers like they were throwing BP to beat out Russ Martin.

  3. KPB January 25th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    The Yankees see Andruw Jones as a new version of Marcus Thames with “slightly better defense.”
    —————

    Hopefully this will be a huge understatement.

  4. mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Question?
    With Jeter in CF where does Grandy play?

  5. Mike Ri January 25th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Well at least Cashman is aware we still need pitching !

  6. mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    # Carlo January 25th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    # mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Jeter to LF?
    Who plays SS?

    ——————-

    someone younger and quicker.
    =====================
    care to name names? 2012 is fast approaching

  7. Bronx Jeers January 25th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    “…it’s possible Derek Jeter will be playing center field by the end of his current contract.”

    This theory is an oldie but goodie in here.

    So how is a player who’s had trouble ranging 20 feet to his left now supposed to cover an area that’s at least 10,000 square feet ?

  8. mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Andy will be back….don’t feel the panic from Cash.

  9. Chip January 25th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    KPB January 25th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
    The Yankees see Andruw Jones as a new version of Marcus Thames with “slightly better defense.”
    —————

    Hopefully this will be a huge understatement.

    ————-

    I think he was being kind to Marcus Thames

  10. mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Jeter would be better suited for left but Cash likes power in the corners….that’s why Gardner’s out there.

  11. blake January 25th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    Jeter to 3rd and Alex to DH makes a lot more sense to me if/when they need to do it. As for now, I think the captain shows in 2011 that the time isn’t now.

    Whether Montero can catch or not might be a big factor in it….if he can then that opens the DH spot up for Alex in the future.

  12. Betsy January 25th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    Just heard Francesca’s summation.

    No surprises in terms of Cash being upset re: Soriano.

    I do wish now that the owners had agreed to pull the Lee deal when it became obvious he wasn’t coming here.

    I’m excited about Martin as well.

    No Alex as DH in the future? Kind of a dumb comment given that Alex is breaking down and is aging. Why would Cash say this when DH is a huge possibility?

    I hope he’s spoken to Derek about a position switch because Derek seems to think he’s planted at SS forever.

    I think Martin will be a great signing.

    Mike didn’t say anything about Joba/injury, but since Cashman hash to believe he’s better than Mitre and other assorted mediocrities, it was clear to me that he just doesn’t believe Joba will hold up as a starter. If that’s the case, I have to respect Cashman – I don’t think he makes decisions lightly.

    He certainly seems high on Banuelos and Betances and thinks they have the assets to trade (both in pitching and catching) for whatever we may need.

    So, even our GM thinks the Sox are a better team – I completely I wonder if he thinks that’s because of the SP or because the offense also has questions.

    He thinks Andy could come back, but if he does, it will be for the entire season. He thinks that if Andy only pitches part of the year and the Yankees miss the playoffs by a game or two, Andy would feel guilty about it.

  13. mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    Mike has just discovered Bettances…

  14. ac1 January 25th, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    Cash is just all over the place these days.

  15. mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    …and Banuelos.

  16. Chip January 25th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
    Mike has just discovered Bettances…

    —————–

    His ability to say the name correctly will probably be held against the kid.

  17. JEKIKASO January 25th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Jeter to LF?
    Who plays SS?
    *************

    I thought Who was on first all this time….:-)

  18. mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Cash sending out messages to Jeter and Andy?

  19. mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    Mike mispronounced both of the B’s….that’s how you know he never heard of them.

  20. mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Cash was told to improve the farm system and win with a reduced payroll.
    Now I understand…

  21. Betsy January 25th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Not a real fan of the Yankees farm system beyond the pitching……Slade Heathcott had a bad year and I agree with Chad – the OF is simply week. Laird is a nice prospect, but he’s nothing special……. Nunez? I don’t see him as Jeter’s replacement – maybe he’s a starter on a bad team, but probably a BUI on a good team.

    Blake, Martin is starting – Montero might make the team, but Martin is the primary catcher.

  22. hardwired7 January 25th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    So how will Dellin Betances’ name be Francesasized?

    I’ll go with: “Devin Bentamces”

  23. Betsy January 25th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    It was pretty stupid of Cash to say those things about Joba as now he’s completely diminished his trade value…….and since he’s “just a reliever” at this point, why hasn’t he traded Joba already? Like for Haren?

  24. mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    It would either seems like Cash is sure Andy is coming back or that it would be easier to just buy/trade for a starter over revisiting the Joba to start fiasco again…

  25. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    Cashman is rattled, no question.

  26. mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Pitching and catching is where you want to be strong in the farms…

  27. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Joba has little trade value at this point.

  28. mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Cashman is rattled, no question.
    ======================
    Think he’s had enough?

  29. Betsy January 25th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    How exactly is Cashman rattled?

  30. Chip January 25th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
    Cashman is rattled, no question.

    ——————–

    Not sure rattled is the right word – tired maybe.

  31. Chip January 25th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
    It would either seems like Cash is sure Andy is coming back or that it would be easier to just buy/trade for a starter over revisiting the Joba to start fiasco again…

    ——————

    Or he’s telling the truth and doesn’t believe that Joba’s shoulder makes him a viable starting option anymore.

  32. blake January 25th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Betsy,

    Cashman just said today it was an open competition. Martin is the frontrunner most likely if he’s healthy but they likely will give Montero a shot to win the job. If he doesn’t he’ll start at Scranton I believe. I don’t see him sitting in NY, they’d rather him play every day Id imagine.

  33. mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    This could be his swan song.
    If they win, he can go elsewhere or stay for more $$$.
    In his walk year.

  34. Nick in SF January 25th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Cashman is clearly invigorated by job and is looking forward to the challenges ahead. No question.

  35. Crawdaddy January 25th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    “Cashman is rattled, no question.”

    Doubt it, but it’s apparent some Yankee fans are that way.

  36. blake January 25th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    How do we know the yanks didn’t try to deal Joba for Haren and the dbacks said no?

  37. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Cashman wants out. Anyone who thinks Cashman isn’t upset about being spanked publicly by Hal and Levine is mistaken in my opinion. The Lee situation, Jeter negotiations, Soriano, the rotation, the misrepresentation to Russell Martin. Not a fun winter.

  38. Crawdaddy January 25th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    Betsy,

    The Arod/DH answer was to a direct question from a Yankee fan to Cashman.

  39. Mell January 25th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    “Slade Heathcott had a bad year”

    This assessment seems a bit harsh. It was really his 1st year in pro ball, and he played it at the Low-A level rather than the Rookie/Short Season leagues. All things being even, I though he accomodated himself pretty well.

  40. Crawdaddy January 25th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    WCYF,

    You’re a trip!

  41. blake January 25th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Misrepresentation to Russell Martin? How do we know he was promised a starting job?

  42. KPB January 25th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    # Chip January 25th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    KPB January 25th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
    The Yankees see Andruw Jones as a new version of Marcus Thames with “slightly better defense.”
    —————

    Hopefully this will be a huge understatement.

    ————-

    I think he was being kind to Marcus Thames
    —————–

    After the initial shock of his throw to first, when he played third, I had to laugh a little. Regardless of his defense, I like him and wish him nothing but the best.

  43. Betsy January 25th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Blake, I don’t buy it. As someone said earlier, Martin would have to collapse and Montero be beyond lights out; they told Martin he was going to start when they signed him.

    As to Joba, other comments on other boards are interesting – and I don’t get the Yankees’ mindset. If they don’t think Joba can hold up as a starter, when did they decide this? After 2009? If so, why did they have Joba compete and pitch as a starter last ST? I don’t buy for one moment that Phil had the job locked up unless he blew up because I see no evidence.

  44. Crawdaddy January 25th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    “This assessment seems a bit harsh. It was really his 1st year in pro ball, and he played it at the Low-A level rather than the Rookie/Short Season leagues. All things being even, I though he accomodated himself pretty well.”

    You’re right. When you grade a young prospect, you have to look beyond just his stat sheet to see what type of season he had.

  45. Betsy January 25th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    Yep, that’s true that they didn’t listen to him on Lee……..we’ll see. Cash is not exactly about to say he’s unhappy – but I still think he’s gone, to a much smaller market team

  46. UnKnown January 25th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    And Pete Abe as predicted is loving this news. I am really starting to dispise that pile of poop.

  47. Betsy January 25th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    Craw, ok, but he still answered it like that. It’s stupid to say Alex isn’t possibly a future DH when we all know that it’s likely true.

  48. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Why Crawdaddy. Thats a very logical assessment and I wouldn’t be surprised if Cashman is unhappy. You’re telling me he didn’t “misrepresent” the truth publicly about Martin as well?

  49. mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    Wait! This just In:
    Off season not Over!
    If Andy returns: Yanks finish tied for 1st!

  50. Crawdaddy January 25th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    “Craw, ok, but he still answered it like that. It’s stupid to say Alex isn’t possibly a future DH when we all know that it’s likely true.”

    Betsy,

    Unless you see the whole context of what Cashman said in response to that question, I wouldn’t know.

  51. G. Love January 25th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Cashman thinks the Sox are a better team because they have more draft picks than we do.

    If George were alive and heard his GM say the Sox are a better team before a game was ever played, that GM would be fired, re-hired for a moment to mess with him and then fired again.

    As for his candid Jeter comments, it makes his front office and team look like a bunch of morons for re-signing a guy you know eventually won’t be able to field his position and will force the team to put a lesser player in a new position as he approaches 40. Why not go year to year with him? Who was going to give him more?

    You don’t admit this stuff when you are in charge.

    He’s greasing the skids for him to slide out of the organization.

    I can guarantee you GM candidates are all brushing up their resumes and knowledge of the Yankee organization as we speak.

    As for Joba, I think the debate for his as a starter ends now. The team is admitting what some of us saw and believed; He has not had the same stuff since his “injury”.

    His only hope is to get traded to an organization that is willing to risk his shoulder on turning him into a starting pitcher. Talk about a fall from grace. 3 years ago you could have traded him for probably any player in this league.

  52. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Blake, Cashman said so publicly when Martin signed.

  53. mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Cash is just slinging the sh*t.
    He’s fancy free and loose.
    In his walk year he holds the cards…

  54. LGY January 25th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    Cashman had french toast at the breakfast, no question.

    Oh and that means he is moving to France, no question.

  55. blake January 25th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    Betsy,

    If Montero destroys ST and shows he can adequately catch then I don’t see the Yanks holding him back. The most likely scenerio is that Martin gets the nod if healthy but I believe the Yanks will give Montero the opportunity to force his way onto the club.

  56. Crawdaddy January 25th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    “You’re telling me he didn’t “misrepresent” the truth publicly about Martin as well?”

    Hard to say since too much can happen between now and March 31st. General Managers and managers say a lot of things in the offseason. Doesn’t mean much until the players demonstrate what they have on the field.

  57. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    Then why did Cashman say clearly in public that Martin was the starting catcher?

  58. blake January 25th, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    WCYF

    He said Martin would be their catcher if healthy….to my knowledge he said nothing about promising anything to him. Martin knows he had to earn the job im sure.

  59. Betsy January 25th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    GLove, I admit that while I definitely think the Sox are better, I’m not sure I want my GM to admit it. That means that HE didn’t do his job………Jerry Angelo of the Bears said before the Seattle game that his team doesn’t have that much talent. Well, whose fault is that? I’m not as upset with Cash for his comments (not sure I’m even upset about it) as with Jerry, but I wouldn’t mind some clarification. Does he think the Sox are better because of pitching? Because the Yankees lineup has serious questions? Because……….?

    Just because George would have been ticked off doesn’t make Cash’s comments wrong; George was great in many ways, but not in all ways.

  60. Nick in SF January 25th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    That’s a very logical assessment, LGY. Not to mention rock solid.

  61. Betsy January 25th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Blake, I said that Montero could be on the team based on Cash’s comments, but IMO I don’t see any way he starts.

  62. bruceb January 25th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Funny how the Yankees own GM admits the Red Sox now have a stronger team on paper when 75% of the people who blog on this site each and every day (maybe it’s closer to 90%) have been in denial for the last two months.

  63. mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Ben tenchez…uh betenchez…uh i don’t know how he pronounces it: MIke

  64. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Would you like that if you were Martin or his agent? To be promised something by the boss and then have him reneg? It may have been the promise of a starting position was a reason Martin chose NY.

  65. Nick in SF January 25th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Or maybe he’s admitting that he’s toast?

  66. KPB January 25th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    # mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    Wait! This just In:
    Off season not Over!
    If Andy returns: Yanks finish tied for 1st!
    —————-

    They can’t be tied for first. They keep trying until someone wins. The off season, this time it counts.

  67. mick January 25th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Jorge not to catch unless in an emergency: Cash.

  68. Crawdaddy January 25th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    WCYF,

    Just remember, the manager determines the lineup and Cashman stated so today.

  69. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    I’m on a cell phone so can’t look it up. Maybe I’m wrong, from what I remember Blake Cashman said Martin would start in 2012.

  70. blake January 25th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Vegas odds for WS:

    Red Sox : 5/1
    Yankees: 6/1

    The Yankee position players and bullpen is better than Boston….they are 1 quality starter away from being better overall IMO.

  71. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    Craw if Montero is in AAA it’s a moot point.

  72. Doreen January 25th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    I literally had to scroll past 90% of the stuff written here.

    Who here was at the breakfast? Heard the exact quotes? Saw Cashman’s demeanor?

    Brother.

  73. blake January 25th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    He did say as of then that Martin was the starter. These guys know that its subject to change. Martin said himself since signing that he had to earn the job and he knows that. Being named the starter doesn’t mean its promised to you.

  74. upstate kate January 25th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    oh that wily Cash…he is just trying to lull the sox into a sense of complacency

  75. Betsy January 25th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    I guess Cash thinks it’s the SP since he said that we are 1 SP away from being a WS contender

  76. mick January 25th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Breakfast?!?
    Recipes…let’s talk recipes…

  77. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Craw girardi also said Martin would start if healthy

  78. G. Love January 25th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Betsy,

    I guess Cashman is expecting all of the Sox starters to be much better this year. Sounds like he thinks Beckett, Lackey and Dice K are all going to have a career renaissance. Sounds like he thinks Crawford and Gonzalez are better players than the players the Yankees presently have. Sounds like he thinks Youkilis will be amazing at 3b and Pedrioa’s foot will cause him no setbacks.

    In other words, he sounds like a disciple of Theo and Gammons and I, for one, would not shed a tear if he got canned.

    The Red Sox are not better than the Yankees. They have a headcase at closer who could combust at any time. They have a rotation with big names and huge contracts that wasn’t good enough to make the post season last year despite the team scoring runs.

    If Cashman is a Boston fanboy, let him go.

    I’d rather see someone who sees the logic in signing Soriano with a 40-something Mo as our closer than a GM who is too concerned about his perception in the league.

    I hope the next GM walks in and embraces the Yankees ability to spend to win.

    Cashman’s candor of late is petty. Talking about Jeter as an OF’er is ludicrous. Now the media will be running “when will Jeter get moved to the OF” stories after every error he makes.

    I don’t think Cashman is such an astute judge of baseball talent that losing him will hurt the organization at all.

    Maybe they promote Oppenheimer to GM who has been making all these picks that are being heralded.

    Not happy with Cashman. He has the best job in baseball and he treats it like he’s Frodo carrying the ring to Mordor.

  79. Betsy January 25th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Ok, later all – have a good day!

  80. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Here you go. Both Cashman and Girardi could not have been more clear.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....out_4.html

  81. mick January 25th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    So much depends on Andy…OH Andy!!!…put us back in 1st…OH Andy!!!!…you came and you gave without taking….AND we looove youuuuu!!!!

  82. Betsy January 25th, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    GLove before I go – I do think the Sox are better. I just see them as having fewer ? in the offense and while they have ? in their rotation, those ? are not as questionable as the Yankees. Dice K is a fine #5. Lackey wasn’t that great last year, but he wasn’t atrocious and he finished strongly. Beckett is a better pitcher than AJ and while he’s still iffy, the Sox don’t need him to be the Beckett of old – esp. since they have a top two of Lester and Buchholz. I won’t bother going into the problems we have in our rotation.

    Why wouldn’t Youkilis be fine? Pedroia presumably has had a whole year practically to get healthy

  83. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    “That’s no longer the case now that Martin has signed, but Girardi indicated that both Montero and Austin Romine would have an opportunity this spring to push Francisco Cervelli for the backup job”. NYDN

  84. Nick in SF January 25th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    Deep breaths, G. Love, deep breaths.

    Then find someone to hug; I suggest Tito Calver.

  85. blake January 25th, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    It’s funny to me how adding Crawford and Gonzalez suddenly made Boston’s rotation better than it was last year……it was bad 3-5 and it’s the same this year. Why is it just assumed that Beckett and Lackey are going to bounce back. If you’re assuming that, then you have to assume AJ does the same.

  86. Chip January 25th, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
    Would you like that if you were Martin or his agent? To be promised something by the boss and then have him reneg? It may have been the promise of a starting position was a reason Martin chose NY.

    ———————-

    Martin’s a big boy – he knows that you have to earn playing time at this level.

  87. mick January 25th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    Blake…because Mike just said Gonzalez is the best player in the league and will win the MVP…

  88. ac1 January 25th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Cashman is just all over the place these days. PLayers shouldn’t be too concerned with what he is saying.

  89. blake January 25th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    WCYF,

    You’re missing the point. Saying that doesn’t mean the job is guaranteed ..just means it’s his to lose. He knows he has to earn it.

  90. mick January 25th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    George is rolling over thinking Martin is back.

  91. Chip January 25th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    mick January 25th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
    Blake…because Mike just said Gonzalez is the best player in the league and will win the MVP…

    ————-

    In theory I agree with Mike.

    That said – it will be interesting to see how Gonzo responds to playing in a fishbowl. In San Diego he was pretty much left alone – in Boston every out is going to be recorded and documented and questioned at length.

  92. blake January 25th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    Mick,

    Adrian apparently is going to be Ted Williams and Pedro Martinez at the same time.

  93. Crawdaddy January 25th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    WCYF,

    It’s January 25th, playing time at the catcher’s position will be determined by circumstances by what happens in spring training and then the regular season. I can’t get hung up on what a GM or manager says in the offseason.

  94. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    I don’t disagree would that Chip. My point is this. Why would Cashman and Girardi say these things then? Wouldn’t it be more advantageous not to say them? Why say so strongly that Martin was the starter if healthy and Cervelli and Montero would be competing for the backup? Don’t say anything.

  95. blake January 25th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    If Andy comes back then the Yankee rotation is comparable with Boston’s with a better bullpen and more depth at AAA.

  96. Mell January 25th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    “That said – it will be interesting to see how Gonzo responds to playing in a fishbowl. In San Diego he was pretty much left alone – in Boston every out is going to be recorded and documented and questioned at length.”

    Only candyasses succumb to this. Most people/players don’t.

  97. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Crawdaddy I am not talking about what happens between the lines. I was referring to Cashman saying things he shouldn’t say.

  98. blake January 25th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    I hope Martin kills it in ST and wins the job because that helps the current Yankees and creates a very valuable trade chip….

  99. PacoDooley January 25th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    what exactly was the nature of his injury in Texas – my memory is like swiss cheese…

  100. bruceb January 25th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    G. Love January 25th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Not happy with Cashman. He has the best job in baseball and he treats it like he’s Frodo carrying the ring to Mordor.

    LMAO! I’m still not sure whether Cashman is a genius or joker. But one thing I can say is that if 2009-2010 was the winter of our discontent, then 2010-2011 hasn’t been much better. Not only does he completely misread the Cliff Lee sweepstakes but the Yankees then sign a catcher in decline (when they’re supposed to have the best catching prospects in baseball), gift-wrap an inflated four-year contract to a shortstop coming off probably the worst season of his career, and then hand a ludicrous three-year contract to a relief pitcher when they’re in dire need of starters. Add to that the way the organization has handled Joba and AJ and I’m definitely leaning toward joker now.

  101. Crawdaddy January 25th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    WCYF,

    Who are you to tell what Cashman can say or not say? You think he gives a crap about you hanging on his every word.

  102. Crawdaddy January 25th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    “I hope Martin kills it in ST and wins the job because that helps the current Yankees and creates a very valuable trade chip….”

    Hell, I hope all of the catchers kill it in ST as it gives the Yankees options then.

  103. G. Love January 25th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    Nick,

    And here I was expecting a Hobbit related Cashman retort from you. I left the door wide open, man.

  104. blake January 25th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    Craw,

    Well yea….that too

  105. Crawdaddy January 25th, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    I can’t believe WCYF has his panties in a bunch about what Cashman or Girardi is saying about who’s starting at catcher in January. Who gives a crap? Playing time will be determined by the manager based on which player is playing the best.

  106. Nick in SF January 25th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    Sorry, G. Love, my mind is hardwired to make Pedroia-as-Hobbit references.

    But Cashman-as-Frodo is ok, with his loyal servant Samwise Girardi at his side and the wise wizard Modolf watching over him.

    I am concered about the Ring Wraiths Levine and Trost, however, and the undying Eye of Big Stein above.

  107. Nick in SF January 25th, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    What’s sad is that Youk could play an Orc without prosthetics.

  108. blake January 25th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    Nick,

    Nice…

  109. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Crawdaddy January 25th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    WCYF, Who are you to tell what Cashman can say or not say? You think he gives a crap about you hanging on his every word.

    *************

    It’s called my opinion Crawdady and if you don’t like it I think you can figure out what to do. If it’s ok to you that Cashman makes misrepresentations in public, that’s your right. I think it shows really poor management and public relations skills and I don’t care for it. Yankee management has done nothing but run their mouths all winter.

  110. Nick in SF January 25th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Evil wizard Gammons the Yellow Toothed is hyping the army of Sox prospects hatching deep underneath Fenway Tower so as to trade them off to dim, unsuspecting GMs.

  111. Cashman needs to go January 25th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Cashman still wants to add a starting pitcher. “We’re one starter away from being a World Series contender,” he said. Cashman also acknowledged that the rotation best-case scenario is to have Andy Pettitte come back, moving Ivan Nova into the fifth spot

    *************************

    So 2 things come immediately to mind after reading this quote…

    1) With the current roster – ole brian doesn’t think the yankees will make the playoffs (the ONLY way you are a WS contender is if you make the playoffs – if he thinks they are 1 starter away from that then at this point, in his mind, it means they will not make the playoffs) – i tend to agree..btw

    2) It seems its a forgone conclusion that ivan nova will be part of the rotation regardless of spring training results (and regardles if AP comes back or not)…last time that mistake (giving a rotation spot to a rookie with very little experience) was made…2008…and how well did that season end up? add to it that if pettite doesn’t come back you’ll now have either 2 rookies in the rotation or a rookie and a BIG BIG SCRUB….AND..all the rookie/scrub scenarios also have AJ burnett as your #3 (except ap returning which then drops burnett to #4)….

  112. UnKnown January 25th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Not many sure fire things in the world now days.

    Except for the fact that this is going to be one very interesting baseball season for Yankee fans. I for one am going to buckle up tight for the ride.

  113. blake January 25th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    “Gammons the yellow toothed ”

    That’s classic

  114. Crawdaddy January 25th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    WCYF,

    Knock yourself out, but I have more important things to worry about in regard to the Yankees like their starting pitching.

  115. Nick in SF January 25th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    And let’s not forget Theo as the bug-eyed Gollum, dying to reclaim the precious…precious…precious ring.

  116. G. Love January 25th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    Clearly, we must destroy the 2004 World Series rings in the fires of Mt. Doom.

    Although I think Cashman is more likely to take all of his prospects and hide deep inside Helms Deep.

  117. YankeesNmore January 25th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    Tough decision: should we move our late-30′s guy who can’t hit anymore to third base or left field?

    Let the debate begin.

    Nothing like having a corner infielder or outfielder who regularly has the bat knocked out of his hands by fastballs.

    $56 million wasted.

  118. Tom in N.J. January 25th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Cashman wanted to sign Treebeard this offseason.

    Dude wouldn’t shave. Ents….

  119. Against All Odds January 25th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    # Betsy January 25th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    It was pretty stupid of Cash to say those things about Joba as now he’s completely diminished his trade value…….and since he’s “just a reliever” at this point, why hasn’t he traded Joba already? Like for Haren?

    ———————————————-

    If they trade him and he turns it around they look worse lol. So they keep him prove that they turned him around.

  120. G. Love January 25th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    If anyone starts speaking Elvish in this thread it will instantly become my favorite of all time.

  121. PacoDooley January 25th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    You can’t kill Cashman for the Soriano signing – not his doing. I am not happy with his inability to put together a starting rotation, but not for his dealings with the Soriano fiasco.

  122. Pat M. January 25th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Just reading toady’s breakfast interviews and then the WFAN ‘s Q & A with Brain Cashman has me shaking my head somewhat…….Certainly a different approach to candor from the Cashman of just a few weeks ago……I still say Carl Crawford was Plan B, but when the BoSox heard about the very visible dinner ( Cashman & Carl ) they hit the panic button and came up with that large contract……Blew every suitor away…..No Wang ( bad rehab program ) , no Kennedy ( shame he couldn’t talk the D-Backs into someone else ), no Haren ( didn’t want to bump up the chips thinking Lee was in the bag ) & no Lee great Fiddle playing at Cashman & Daniel’s expense……..And now it appears that Brian is kicking the sides in of his own canoe……3 weeks to pitchers and catchers…….If Mitre is the # 4 starter, who is the longrelief option ???/

  123. Against All Odds January 25th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    G. Love January 25th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    I don’t think Cashman is such an astute judge of baseball talent that losing him will hurt the organization at all.

    ————————–

    You might be right about that he’s a good collector of talent but doesn’t know how to develop that talent and infuse them into the Yankee roster.

  124. Patrick January 25th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Why worry about long relief when Mitre is your 4th starter? That’s enough to worry about right there…

  125. Nick in SF January 25th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Because if Mitre is your 4th starter, you’re going to need a lot of long relief. :(

  126. Patrick January 25th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Haha very true Nick, didn’t think about that :)

  127. G. Love January 25th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    Pat M.,

    I really think he’s trying to get fired. The Soriano thing may have pushed him over the edge. I think he wants to take the rest of the year off.

    The quotes aren’t harmless. He created a spring training story today about Jeter becoming an OF’er and thinking his team doesn’t stack up with Boston right now.

    Regardless of whether or not those are true, he’s making the news about his team and creating media fires in the process that didn’t exist before today.

  128. Erin January 25th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    G. Love January 25th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
    Pat M.,

    I really think he?s trying to get fired.

    *****************************
    Cashman’s pulling a George Costanza????

  129. Patrick January 25th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    G. Love I think you are overreacting here. Cashman is just being candid about his team, isn’t that what fans want? I’ve heard so many people on this blog and others criticize Cashman for being too tight-lipped.

    Cash never said Jeter is definitely headed to the outfield, he simply said it was a likely scenario which baseball experts have been predicting for years. And what’s the harm in acknowledging that Boston is a better team on paper? They are! Maybe this will help motivate the Yankees and give them that underdog mentality.

  130. Erin January 25th, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    YankeesWFAN More pts on this–Cashman speculation about replacing power at corner IF if ARod became DH. Cited Boggs/aging Mattingly lacking pop in ’95.

    YankeesWFAN Another reason too much made of this: for now anyway, Jeter under contract longer than Cashman. This is a discussion for further down the rd

  131. Crawdaddy January 25th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Cashman will be on Kay’s show so now WCYF can see hear him being more unprofessional again.

  132. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    “I like corner outfielders and corner infielders who have power”. — Brian Cashman

    But yet you passed on Matt Holiday in favor of the Ruthian Brett Gardner.

  133. Patrick January 25th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    WCYF,

    I think passing on Holliday had more to do with money than anything else. He was a perfect fit for the team.

  134. michaels07 January 25th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Andy Pettitte will return if the price is right.

  135. G. Love January 25th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Patrick,

    I think I’m making more of it because I’m not used to this guy slinging zingers to the media as much as he has this off season. It’s bizarre.

    Something is up. Maybe he approached them about an extension and was denied or something.

    Only time will tell.

  136. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Patrick January 25th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    WCYF, I think passing on Holliday had more to do with money than anything else. He was a perfect fit for the team.

    *****************

    I agree, I think it was money. And also that Carl Crawford was going to be available this year.

  137. Patrick January 25th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    G. Love,

    While I don’t mind the stuff Cashman is saying I won’t deny that it looks like he’s ready to leave the Yankees. I wouldn’t be surprised a bit if he leaves after this season.

  138. Patrick January 25th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    WCYF,

    We’ve had this discussion before but given the choice I’d bet that Cashman would have taken Holliday over Crawford, especially when we look at what each guy got paid.

    On the other hand, I think it’s probably true that the Yankees passed on Holliday because of money but had it in the back of their head that Crawford would be available in case Gardner failed

  139. upstate kate January 25th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    some Elvish for G Love
    Gwaith of Yankee arda: mor ruth, aha & amarth
    (people of Yankee realm: dark anger, rage & doom)

  140. Pat M. January 25th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    G. Love…..I agree it just seems a little stranger than what he was saying a few weeks ago about the club being very good …….Joe Giradi must be already formulating spin control answers for the barrage of questions that he’ll need to deal with in a few weeks……I think the club will be a 95 win ballteam if health is not an issue…….AJ Burnett is a major key to their success in 2011

  141. Patrick January 25th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    kate,

    Did you look that up or did you know it off the top of your head? If the latter… impressive. Nerdy but impressive :)

  142. Crawdaddy January 25th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Cashman coming up shortly on Kay’s show.

  143. jacksquat January 25th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    mick January 25th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
    Jeter would be better suited for left but Cash likes power in the corners….that’s why Gardner’s out there.

    That’s because Granderson has power in CF. They could just as easily put Granderson in LF and Gardner in CF and there is your power in the corner. They just put Granderson in CF because “he is more used to the position” (I read that as he has seniority).

  144. Bronx Jeers January 25th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    This whole “Breakfast with Cashman” smells like a farce and reminds me of another guy that did some bizarre things hoping to be released from a contract.

    http://www.coverbrowser.com/im...../894-1.jpg

  145. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Patrick January 25th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    WCYF, We’ve had this discussion before but given the choice I’d bet that Cashman would have taken Holliday over Crawford, especially when we look at what each guy got paid.

    On the other hand, I think it’s probably true that the Yankees passed on Holliday because of money but had it in the back of their head that Crawford would be available in case Gardner failed.

    **************

    The best laid plans right? It hasn’t exactly worked out the way they planned although Gardner certainly didn’t fail. But an interesting comment from Cashman about preferring a power hitting corner outfielder nonetheless.

  146. jacksquat January 25th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    I don’t see Jeter in CF. Range in the outfield is different than range on the infield, so I don’t accept that direct translation that some people mention, but I don’t see him even having the raw speed anymore to play even an acceptable CF.

    I think Jeter is our SS for the rest of the contract, or he’s on the bench.

  147. upstate kate January 25th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    sorry Patrick, I had to look it up. I am better w/ Star Wars than LOTR

  148. Tom in N.J. January 25th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Derek Jeter: full time outfielder? Never gonna happen

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......na-happen/

  149. BIG AL January 25th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    After Martin made the National League All-Star team in 2007-08, his numbers have fallen the past two seasons.

    “They’ve told me I’m the starting catcher; that’s what I expect to be and that’s what I’m training to be,” Martin said. “I feel like I need to earn that; I don’t ever feel like anything is owed to me, especially the way the last two years have gone for me.”
    ————————————————————————

    Martin’s own words, he realizes he needs to earn his starting job.

    Again, it’s up to Cashman and Girardi to determine if they think Martin is healthy enough, and has earned the starting C position, not the all knowing LoHud blogger, that fails to read the entire story.

  150. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    I’m sure I will get blasted for saying anything good about Michael Kay here, but he just went off on Andy Pettitte, deservedly so IMO. It’s preposterous that he hasn’t made up his mind yet with any certitude three months after the season ended. “Proceed without me”, but, “I’m working out”. Please.

  151. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Big Al, I read the entire story and all that is is Martin saying the politically correct thing. The fact remains that Cashman and Girardi said Martin was the starter if healthy. NOT that he had to compete. Period.

  152. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Cashman on right now.

  153. Mell January 25th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    “I’m sure I will get blasted for saying anything good about Michael Kay here, but he just went off on Andy Pettitte, deservedly so IMO”

    I agree. Guy isn’t the only 30 something in baseball with a family.

  154. jacksquat January 25th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
    I’m sure I will get blasted for saying anything good about Michael Kay here, but he just went off on Andy Pettitte, deservedly so IMO. It’s preposterous that he hasn’t made up his mind yet with any certitude three months after the season ended. “Proceed without me”, but, “I’m working out”. Please.

    It’s possible he is having or had difficulties working out because of health reasons (groin/back), and he *doesn’t know* if/when he will be able to pitch.

    People should chill and take Andy’s words at face value: proceed (mentally) without him.

  155. Bronx Jeers January 25th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    “I’m sure I will get blasted for saying anything good about Michael Kay here,…”

    ——————————————————————————————————————-

    Nah. We’re pretty much used to the nonsense you spew.

  156. Pat M. January 25th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    WCYF……I’m with you on the Pettite crap…..And I wanted Matt Holiday too…All we heard was his Coors splits and how he sucked playing in Oakland for the first 2 months of the 09 season……The dude is a excellent ballplayer

  157. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Cashman backing off Jeter to center comment somewhat. Regarding breakfast comment. “It was just baseball chat”. “

  158. Erin January 25th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    New Post- Cashman: “It wasn’t a declaration of any kind”

    :arrow:

  159. West Coast Yankee Fan January 25th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Pat M. January 25th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    WCYF……I’m with you on the Pettite crap…..And I wanted Matt Holiday too…All we heard was his Coors splits and how he sucked playing in Oakland for the first 2 months of the 09 season……The dude is a excellent ballplayer.

    ***************

    Cashman is trying to explain Pettitte right now.

  160. Pat M. January 25th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    >>>>>>>>

  161. hardwired7 January 26th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    test

    :twisted:

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