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Jeter begins early work in Tampa

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 26, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This is from The Associated Press.

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — Derek Jeter has added a new dimension to his pre-spring training workout.

The New York Yankees captain, coming off a down season, worked in a batting cage Wednesday with hitting coach Kevin Long.

The 36-year old Jeter has a career batting average of .314, but hit just .270 last season. Long and Jeter are scheduled to have another session on Thursday at the Yankees’ minor league complex.

Jeter started on-field drills two weeks ago.

Also, new Yankees catcher Russell Martin also worked with Long and had a throwing session in the outfield.

Also, a quick reminder that Brian Cashman is serving drinks from 6 to 9 tonight at Foley’s (18 W. 33rd Street, near 5th Ave). I’ll be down there, and I know some of my beat friends are planning to stop by as well. Come on out. It’s actually for a good cause.

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220 Responses to “Jeter begins early work in Tampa”

  1. Chip January 26th, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    upstate kate January 26th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
    Chip
    Bryce Harper?

    —————–

    Thanks Kate.

    It was driving me nuts.

  2. upstate kate January 26th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    and before anyone rips on Jeet…in his mlb network interview, K-long said Jeet has been after him for a few years to get together in the pre-season

  3. SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    Chip,

    Another Rendon, 3B at Rice, if healthy, could be the #1 pick.

    Plus power, great kid, and could be a Longoria-type re: leadership skills, and the ability to fast track to the majors.

    He’s a guy to watch once college baseball season begins.

  4. Against All Odds January 26th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    # upstate kate January 26th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    and before anyone rips on Jeet…in his mlb network interview, K-long said Jeet has been after him for a few years to get together in the pre-season

    ————————-

    There goes the belief that he’s stubborn when it comes to his hitting.

  5. Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    oops, re-post:

    “…if I’m a Steinbrenner a million saved is an extra million in on field performance or an extra million in my bank account.”

    Sure, but you never know if a few early-season Montero bombs could be the difference between manking the post-season or not, and then how much money have they lost/gained.

    Not having Montero up on the big club earlier means delaying his development vs. big league pitching — which he may need more MiL time to prepare for anyway.

    Super Two is just one financial factor to consider

  6. SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    “Anthony” Rendon.

    Sorry for the typo.

  7. Chip January 26th, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    Also, a quick reminder that Brian Cashman is serving drinks from 6 to 9 tonight at Foley’s (18 W. 33rd Street, near 5th Ave). I’ll be down there, and I know some of my beat friends are planning to stop by as well. Come on out. It’s actually for a good cause
    ————————-

    I love Foley’s but I distrust Metro North to get me home after – the way the weather messes them up you would think the trains were being pulled by disgruntled oxen.

  8. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 January 26th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    Against All Odds January 26th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
    # upstate kate January 26th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    and before anyone rips on Jeet…in his mlb network interview, K-long said Jeet has been after him for a few years to get together in the pre-season

    ————————-

    There goes the belief that he’s stubborn when it comes to his hitting.

    _______________________________________________________________________
    Oh no! I guess the media will need a new narrative.

  9. letsgoyanks51 January 26th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    Can we assume that the weather hasn’t affected the event at Foley’s tonight or is there a chance that they might postpone it?

  10. Zach S January 26th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Get at it Jeets.

  11. Chip January 26th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
    Chip,

    Another Rendon, 3B at Rice, if healthy, could be the #1 pick.

    Plus power, great kid, and could be a Longoria-type re: leadership skills, and the ability to fast track to the majors.

    He’s a guy to watch once college baseball season begins.

    ———————

    Cool.

    And I believe the Pirates have the first overall pick?

    They’re going to want no part in signing this kid. It would make all the sense in the world for them to be able to trade the pick to a team like Toronto which has multiple picks. Toronto can get the kid, the Pirates can get multiple talents later in the draft where the bonuses are more to their liking.

  12. randy l. January 26th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    “Sure, but you never know if a few early-season Montero bombs could be the difference between manking the post-season or not, and then how much money have they lost/gained.”

    i’d rather not have a kid who grew up in the Dominican Republic open his big league career in the cold bad weather of the northeast. if they don’t absolutely ned him, why not let him break in when the weather heats up.

  13. Chip January 26th, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Against All Odds January 26th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
    # upstate kate January 26th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    and before anyone rips on Jeet…in his mlb network interview, K-long said Jeet has been after him for a few years to get together in the pre-season

    ————————-

    There goes the belief that he’s stubborn when it comes to his hitting.

    —————-

    There’s a difference between being proud and being stuborn. Jeter’s always been proud of his hitting and fielding but he’s also always looking for ways to improve them.

  14. Against All Odds January 26th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    # Chip January 26th, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Against All Odds January 26th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
    # upstate kate January 26th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    and before anyone rips on Jeet…in his mlb network interview, K-long said Jeet has been after him for a few years to get together in the pre-season

    ————————-

    There goes the belief that he’s stubborn when it comes to his hitting.

    —————-

    There’s a difference between being proud and being stuborn. Jeter’s always been proud of his hitting and fielding but he’s also always looking for ways to improve them.

    ———————

    How does the old saying go “he’s seems to get better every yr”

  15. SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    Chip,

    If they draft him, they will sign him.

    They are 100% committed to the draft.

    Nobody thought they would take, and sign, Jameson Tallion last year and they did both.

    If Rendon ends up being the consensus #1 pick, and didn’t take and sign him, ownership, already on shaky ground, would get run out of town.

  16. Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    Very short-sighted of Cashamn not to have drafted more Aleuts to and Icelanders to give the NYY a cold-weather advantage like the brrrrr Tw-w-w-w-ins have. :mad:

  17. Chip January 26th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
    Chip,

    If they draft him, they will sign him.

    They are 100% committed to the draft.

    Nobody thought they would take, and sign, Jameson Tallion last year and they did both.

    If Rendon ends up being the consensus #1 pick, and didn’t take and sign him, ownership, already on shaky ground, would get run out of town.

    —————–

    Oh I agree 100% if they draft him they have to sign him – but the question is whether or not they want to sign him.

    I’m just using it as an example – the trading of draft picks makes so much sense.

  18. upstate kate January 26th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    ha ha that is the real reason why the Twins got Morneau and Mauer…they are cold weather boys!

  19. SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    I’m all for trading picks.

    ‘Ol Buddy Boy would never allow it though.

    He would be petrified his precious small market teams would deal them to big market teams like the Yankees.

  20. G. Love January 26th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    Gammons is reporting that the Red Sox have an abundance of Eskimo’s in the system to ensure they get off to a good start in April.

  21. Erin January 26th, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    cgrand14 http://plixi.com/p/72645692 With My Blues jersey. See the All Blacks jersey in tomorrow’s video

  22. DocTodd January 26th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    Let’s hope Long can get Jeter to hit more linedrives,and less grounders….I know the worms living beneath the turf at the Stadium will be forever greatful….

  23. Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    Pedroia has been taking BP in an igloo. He’ll be ready.

  24. G. Love January 26th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Theo signed Bjork to give them a statistical advantage in cold weather and to make the oppositions eardrums bleed.

  25. Chip January 26th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
    I’m all for trading picks.

    ‘Ol Buddy Boy would never allow it though.

    He would be petrified his precious small market teams would deal them to big market teams like the Yankees.

    ——————–

    True too.

    He’ll never go for that – union won’t go for slotting (or international draft) and so it will stay the same stupid system that it is now.

    I’ll be shocked if the union doesn’t push to do away with pick compensation for drafted players though.

  26. Chip January 26th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    sorry not drafted players – I meant signed players.

  27. pat January 26th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    “K-long said Jeet has been after him for a few years to get together in the pre-season”

    The interview with K. Long he said it the other way around. He wasnted to work with Derek but h had his routine he was comfortable with.

  28. Chip January 26th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
    Very short-sighted of Cashamn not to have drafted more Aleuts to and Icelanders to give the NYY a cold-weather advantage like the brrrrr Tw-w-w-w-ins have
    —————-

    Are we mocking Randy’s dumb comment – that’s always a good way to spend the afternoon!

  29. SAS January 26th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    SJ…

    It is time for Buddy Boy to retire. Baseball needs a ‘commish’ that does not have ties to any one team or league. It has been disgraceful to me that one can sell a team to one’s daughter so he can say he is not an owner.

    It is also hard to believe that he makes at least 12 million dollars a year probably plus, plus, plus.

  30. Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    I fear a Sigur Ros reference will leave too many LoHudders too far behind. :(

  31. LGY January 26th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Chad

    You think Cashman bails at 9 or it will go later? I wanted to go but won’t be able to get there by 9.

  32. Abe Peterham January 26th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Anyone familar w Tampa ST..?
    Are the fields easily accessible for kids to get autographs etc before ST games.?
    Are the fields accessible now for the public to see early arrivals such as Jeter etc.?
    I’m considering going and wondering if worth effort. Have been there in past, but only during game time. Is there enough access to entertain kids before etc?

    Thanks !

  33. SAS January 26th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    Chip,

    I take it you live in Westchester or CT if you take Metro North…where?

  34. Doreen January 26th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    Back from shoveling and drying my frozen hair. It stopped snowing, but it’s now doing something altogether not nice at all. Rain, frozen rain, sleet. Yuck.

    Pat M-

    If that’s true about February equaling a December of 10 inches or more, then I give up. Is it extenuating circumstances if all of December’s snow came all at once?

    ****

    I want more news about hitters hitting and catchers throwing and all that good warm-weather stuff!

  35. randy l. January 26th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    “Very short-sighted of Cashamn not to have drafted more Aleuts to and Icelanders to give the NYY a cold-weather advantage like the brrrrr Tw-w-w-w-ins have. ”

    ha, any one who grew up in the northeast with a wooden bat in their hands knows how bad it feels to hit a ball off the sweet spot in 45-50 degree weather. it numbs your hands.

    there’s an art to playing baseball in cold weather. it’s a factor.

  36. LGY January 26th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Randy

    There is a Dominican Montero? Awesome. If the Venezuelan one doesn’t work out we have a backup!

  37. Chip January 26th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Nice contract for Wandy Rodriguez – I still think we’ll see the Yankees deal for Brett Myers this season.

  38. Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    I wouldn’t cast any stones, Chip. :?

  39. G. Love January 26th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    Hank is in talks with Val “Iceman” Kilmer to join the Yankees for the cold weather months but Cashman prefers “Maverick” for his upside and his scrappy beach volleyball abilities.

  40. Chip January 26th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    SAS January 26th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
    Chip,

    I take it you live in Westchester or CT if you take Metro North…where?

    —————–

    Westchester

  41. Erin January 26th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    G. Love January 26th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
    Hank is in talks with Val ?Iceman? Kilmer to join the Yankees for the cold weather months but Cashman prefers ?Maverick? for his upside and his scrappy beach volleyball abilities.

    ***********************************

    :lol:

  42. Chip January 26th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
    I wouldn’t cast any stones, Chip
    ———————-

    Nah it’s okay – I don’t live in a glass house.

  43. SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Hank says, “We don’t need no $$&@&$& Val Kilmer, we can $&@&$&@ win without him because we are the $&$&@&$ Yankees”!

  44. Chip January 26th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Chip January 26th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    SAS January 26th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
    Chip,

    I take it you live in Westchester or CT if you take Metro North…where?

    —————–

    Westchester

    ————-

    Chappaqua actually.

  45. Chip January 26th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
    Hank says, “We don’t need no $$&@&$& Val Kilmer, we can $&@&$&@ win without him because we are the $&$&@&$ Yankees”!

    ———————–

    After Roger Clemens I don’t need to see any more guys with frosted tips running around for the Yankees.

  46. Wave Your Hat January 26th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    I’m not a fan of allowing draft pick trading. The temptation to trade them can be overwhelming but it can lead to long run disaster.

    Of course, I’m a fan of the heavy hand of government regulation as well.

  47. randy l. January 26th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    “There is a Dominican Montero? Awesome. If the Venezuelan one doesn’t work out we have a backup!”

    good point.make that venezuelan :)

    however , anyone who doesn’t think that playing baseball in cold weather makes hitting more difficult is just showing how disconnected they are from the actual game .

  48. Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Have you identified anyone who’s made that contention, randy?

  49. Wave Your Hat January 26th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    “however , anyone who doesn’t think that playing baseball in cold weather makes hitting more difficult is just showing how disconnected they are from the actual game .”

    I remember those late February practices in the north. Not fondly.

  50. Jerkface January 26th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Nick,

    I think the extra year of team control is more important than the money. The Yankees would have him for 6.75 years instead of 6 years.

  51. Chip January 26th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    It does hurt like a mother when you foul off an inside pitch when it’s cold out.

    Though at the ML level you also have to take into account that when you’re playing in the cold it’s either early in the season when the pitching is ahead of the hitting thanks to the additional time at ST or in the post season where you’re generally going up against good teams who have better pitching than what you face during the majority of the season.

    It’s really not easy to do any sort of baseball activity in the cold – pitchers can’t get moisture on their fingers to feel the ball, fielders aren’t comfortable standing out in the cold waiting around, running is tough…There’s a reaosn players are called the boys of summer.

  52. Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Jerkface, I don’t doubt it, but that and the money do come at a cost, which is the absence of Montero.

    There has been no evidence so far that they aren’t willing to do without him to start the season, however, and there are probably legit baseball reasons to start him in AAA, too.

    But I think that what’s judged best for the big club in 2011 will be just as important, if not more, than the other factors.

  53. randy l. January 26th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    “Have you identified anyone who’s made that contention, randy?”

    wouldn’t that be you nick in sf?

    sort of off topic, check out this islandic site tomorrow when the sun comes up:

    http://www.inspiredbyiceland.c.....lue-lagoon

  54. pat January 26th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    AndrewMarchand Cashman says critics who think the Yankees misused Joba Chamberlain are “stupid,”

    I just had an “I know you are but what am I” flashback. :sad:

  55. Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    “wouldn’t that be you nick in sf?”

    Um, no, randy. Not so.

    And I will click on your site at a later time, though I could use google voice to cheaply call Iceland right now.

  56. MTU January 26th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    OMG. I just heard horrifying and shocking news regarding the Superbowl.

    The Packers will not have a cheerleading squad in attendance.

    Disaster.

    :(

  57. MTU January 26th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    w/o a cheerleading squad they deserve to lose.

  58. randy l. January 26th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    “And I will click on your site at a later time, though I could use google voice to cheaply call Iceland right now.”

    ask them what time the sun comes up tomorrow.

  59. MTU January 26th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    What is this world coming to ?

    No more Budweiser frog commercials, and now a cheerleader shortage.

    What a bummer. The end of the World must be near.

    :(

  60. Ruby Tuesday January 26th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    ” In 2009, Andy Pettitte signed on January 26 . ”

    L . o . l .

  61. Ruby Tuesday January 26th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    [ echo ]

  62. Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    “ask them what time the sun comes up tomorrow.”

    I doubt they’d answer — anyone who doesn’t think that cold weather makes answering the phone more difficult is just showing how disconnected they are from the actual practice of answering the phone in cold weather.

  63. MTU January 26th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    I would think answering the phone in Iceland would be a piece of cake especially since it’s permanently frozen to the ear.

  64. Ruby Tuesday January 26th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    L . o . l .

  65. SAS January 26th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Chip,

    When were are in NY, we live in Armonk…we are neighbors.

  66. upstate kate January 26th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Pat
    are you sure? I watched it twice and listened quite closely. I took what K-long was saying to mean Jeet had been waiting for his turn.

  67. LGY January 26th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Cashman is hilarious this winter.

    I can’t believe the Cashman haters are but going nuts over his quotes in Wally’s article on Joba.

  68. LGY January 26th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    #not* going nuts

  69. randy l. January 26th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    nick in sf-

    Blue Lagoon – 240 Grindavík – Phone +354 420 8800

    it’s a geothermal swimming hole resort.

    you’ll see tomorrow when the sun comes up.

  70. 4time January 26th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    SI_JonHeyman
    the #yankees offer to pettitte is or will be $12 mil. #stillwaiting

  71. Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    What’s the country code?????????????

  72. mick January 26th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    12m offer to Andy?

  73. West Coast Yankee Fan January 26th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Great stuff! I love the pissed off Cashman!!!

    “Listen, he had a full chance to make a run at it [in spring training 2010], and he failed at it,” Cashman said. “His stuff does not play the same way as a starter anymore since the injury in Texas. He’s pedestrian as a starter but he still has pretty wicked stuff as a reliever. So his job is just to get outs when Joe calls on him. It’s as simple as that.”

    …and my favorite Cashman quote of all time!!!

    The one area in which they disagree is the effect the Yankees’ management of Joba’s early career has had on him, and perhaps continues to have.

    “Those people are stupid,” Cashman said of critics of the Yankees’ handling of Joba. “It’s just an easy, stupid, idiotic thing to say. There’s no screwing anything up. That’s how Andy Pettitte came in, that’s how guys have been broken in for years. They’re starters in the minor leagues, they come up and we use them in the pen, and eventually they break into the rotation. So what’s the problem? I just think it’s naïve.”

  74. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    I heard the Jeter stuff on Kay’s show -that’s a good sign; I think Jeter will have a fine year.

    Bartolo Colon? I’m all for throwing anything at the wall and seeing what sticks, but really – Colon? If Cash is so desperate for pitching, why isn’t he sniffing around Deutscherer? Not that this guy is a savior, but I’d say he’s a better bet than a guy who hasn’t pitched in a year. Not sure what Cashman is doing.

    Also, there is a special place in HE double hockey sticks for mother nature, lol

  75. mick January 26th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    With Andy , Yanks not with Boston?

  76. Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    LGY, I’m not going to go nuts until those quotes are verified by ESPN West.

  77. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Just back from work, so I just saw the prospect post. Let’s see: Kelley had an awful year and is #22 while Banuelos had a very good year and he’s #35. That’s fair.

  78. Ruby Tuesday January 26th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Will Derek Jeter be the Groundout King once again in M . L . B . 2011 ?

    I hope not .

  79. Rich in NJ January 26th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    What you should want to see out of Jeter is not so much a return of his AVG but rather his SLG. That’s what made him special as a SS. That means more LD.

  80. Tom in N.J. January 26th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    I’ve been to Iceland.

  81. mick January 26th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    I’d like Jete’s OBP to be back at 380

  82. randy l. January 26th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    “What’s the country code?????????????”

    http://www.howtocallabroad.com/iceland/

  83. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Tom, I saw you posted a quote from Cash earlier that said Manny and Betances are Phil Hughes or better ceilings. What on earth does that mean? Given how he never raved about Phil or Joba like these two, I’m guessing he means (in some weird roundabout way) that these two have much higher ceilings than Phil…………or it means he he isn’t as high on Phil as he used to be? Cash practically drools over them ………..

  84. mick January 26th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Jeter and 200 hits are synonomous

  85. randy l. January 26th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    “I’ve been to Iceland.”

    if the red sox ever win another world series that’s where i’m moving to.

  86. Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    If I ask what time it is in Iceland will you link me to http://www.whattimeitisiniceland.com?

  87. hardwired7 January 26th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Couldn’t find any more positive Pettitte tweets on Calcaterra’s twitter page, but he did have a tweet referencing the tune “Will It Go Round In Circles” by Billy Preston.

    +1 for that.

    Warner Madrigal can only look on in awe at Billy Preston’s funky hair-do:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un63LEAN22E

  88. Tom in N.J. January 26th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Betsy, I’d imagine that the ‘off the record/informal’ nature of the Q&A session yesterday had a lot to do with many of Cashman’s comments and answers. I wouldn’t read anything into them. I’d imagine he’s still high on Hughes.

    Yesterday was the Freewheeling Brian Cashman.

  89. Doreen January 26th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Where did those Cashman quotes come from?

    OMG.

    I wonder what the questions were that finally pushed him to candor.

  90. mick January 26th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Cash is just playing with Lohud’s collective mind.

  91. LGY January 26th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Nick

    LMAO!

  92. West Coast Yankee Fan January 26th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Sounds like Cashman just lost his composure. It’s not a professional for a GM to say this publicly:

    “Those people are stupid. “It’s just an easy, stupid, idiotic thing to say.”

  93. West Coast Yankee Fan January 26th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Yankees offering Pettitte $12 million?

  94. G. Love January 26th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Tom in NJ,

    Since you’ve been to Iceland, how do you feel about playing backup catcher for Montero until the weather heats up enough?

    If you can’t, I’m hoping the Yankees have the foresight to sign Bumble the abominable snow monster from Santa Claus Is Coming To Town for the chillier days.

  95. Jerkface January 26th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Jeter and 200 hits are synonomous

    Unless its 2010, or 2008, or any of the other 6 seasons where he didn’t get 200 Hits (He actually has more seasons without than with)

  96. randy l. January 26th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    “If I ask what time it is in Iceland will you link me to http://www.whattimeitisiniceland.com?”

    now you’re catching on :)

    they are 5 hours ahead of us

  97. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Please tell me that’s a months premature April
    Fool’s joke – just be quiet already, Cashman. Not only wasn’t it necessary to react to anyone complaining about Joba in the pen (this has been an ongoing thing for a couple of years- you’d think Cash would be used to it), but to react like this? Calling people stupid? I’m beyond frustrated with him….

  98. West Coast Yankee Fan January 26th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    They are offering Pettitte a $250,000 raise??? LOL

  99. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Tom, I just don’t know what the comment means…….I have no idea how to read it? Is he saying that their floors are Phil Hughes? Given how his pitching has turned out, maybe Cashman should just keep quiet

  100. Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    “they are 5 hours ahead of us”

    My time zone us or your time zone us?

  101. Doreen January 26th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    WCYF -

    I seem to recall him saying something similar not too long ago, and I think it was also about Joba.

    I think everyone has their tipping point. It’s got to be beyond frustrating to keep hearing the same accusations from people who do not have access to all the facts, who do not personally deal with Joba, and for the most part respond in a calm professional manner.

    Perhaps the questions and accusations will halt for a minute or two while every talks about how unprofessional Brian Cashman is for being so unguarded. I’m sure he’ll take the heat in stride.

    And many of the people he’s talking about are just talking heads and people who sell controversy for a living. I’d say stupid defines people who don’t take the time to look at facts and make judgments based on wrong assumptions.

    Sometimes it’s honest debate (I’ve heard those kind of discussions), but most time it’s just another chance to sock one to the Yankees.

  102. pat January 26th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Kate

    If Derek wanted to work with K.Long in any off season, he would have gotten “priority seating”.

    He was content with his routine and K. Long didn’t push it until this year.

  103. Tom in N.J. January 26th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Well, I haven’t donned the tools of ignorance since high school so I’m not sure how good I would be.

    Bumble would be a good choice, however scouts have said his size-9’8- is a concern.

  104. joeman January 26th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    hope Andy shows for ST

  105. randy l. January 26th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    “His stuff does not play the same way as a starter anymore since the injury in Texas. He’s pedestrian as a starter but he still has pretty wicked stuff as a reliever. So his job is just to get outs when Joe calls on him. It’s as simple as that.”

    if this really cashman , hank in down in tampa saying ” damn, i could say dumb ass stuff like that myself. why do i need pay cash to do it”.

  106. West Coast Yankee Fan January 26th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Class act by Cashman huh, calling the media and/or fans stupid? Yankees management is a headless horse without George. All winter long, Hank, Cash, Levine, one ridiculous public statement after another. Can you imagine any boss thinking it’s ok for one of their managers to call people stupid in public?

    They won’t say why they fired their pitching coach, that’s in a steel vault, but they are ok running their mouths on everything else. Amazing.

  107. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Ok, those quotes are so damning. I mean, Joba is 25 years old. I didn’t think he pitched all that well in 2009, but he was ok – he wasn’t THAT bad and he didn’t deserve to lose his job. He failed because as a 23/24 year old he wasn’t Cy Young? I wonder what he thought about Phil Hughes’ last year………….His numbers were better than Joba’s in general, but they weren’t THAT much better. I hate to break it to Cash, but every starter is going to have better stuff in the pen……………I also have yet to hear Cash address the issue: why on earth was Joba competing for a spot in the rotation last spring if they thought that he was a pedestrian starter. That’s just dumb anyway – Joba was great in 2008 until he got hurt. I honestly at this point (and I hate to say it because I used to love Cash) just want him to go.

  108. Doreen January 26th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Betsy -

    I think he’s saying, we know how good Phil Hughes is; these kids have a ceiling that is even higher.

    He’s not putting Phil Hughes down. I think it’s just that he’s got someone to compare them to more readily.

    And it is possible for the current prospects to be better than those who have gone before them.

    And Hughes certainly was praised quite a bit before he was ready. That is why everyone was anxiously awaiting his arrival. Posada calling him the “real deal” back several years ago. All the trades that didnt’ happen because they asked for Hughes. I don’t think they could have been higher on a prospect.

    .

  109. Tom in N.J. January 26th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Betsy, here’s the context for the Hughes quote:

    On his #4 and #5 starters-He said he would like to have Andy come back and have Ivan Nova be his 5th starter. But once you get past that he went on extensively about his top pitching prospects, mentioning Dellin Betances and Manny Baneulos in that order. He said Dellin has a “Felix Hernandez type curveball” and that both pitchers are top of the rotation prospects, both with “Phil Hughes or better ceilings”. But he cautioned that he expects both pitchers to stay in the minors for the 2011 season.

    http://www.theyankeeu.com/2011.....sion-24556

  110. randy l. January 26th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    “My time zone us or your time zone us?”

    5 hours ahead of east coast time.

  111. Doreen January 26th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    George Steinbrenner called one of his pitchers a fat toad.

    I think George is laughing.

  112. West Coast Yankee Fan January 26th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Doreen January 26th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    WCYF – I seem to recall him saying something similar not too long ago, and I think it was also about Joba.

    I think everyone has their tipping point. It’s got to be beyond frustrating to keep hearing the same accusations from people who do not have access to all the facts, who do not personally deal with Joba, and for the most part respond in a calm professional manner.

    Perhaps the questions and accusations will halt for a minute or two while every talks about how unprofessional Brian Cashman is for being so unguarded. I’m sure he’ll take the heat in stride.

    And many of the people he’s talking about are just talking heads and people who sell controversy for a living. I’d say stupid defines people who don’t take the time to look at facts and make judgments based on wrong assumptions.

    Sometimes it’s honest debate (I’ve heard those kind of discussions), but most time it’s just another chance to sock one to the Yankees.

    *********

    I respect your opinion but have to disagree. You don’t call the media/fans stupid in public. There are other ways to say the same thing without alienating people, especially fans who pay his salary. If he doesn’t like being criticized for his player development decisions, he shouldn’t be doing what he is doing for a living.

  113. Doreen January 26th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    I see it’s “Cash Bash Time.”

    See ya later.

  114. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Hank is no George – apparently he said today that the team needs to “bleeping” win……….still can’t stand him

  115. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Doreen, he deserves to be called out.

    Tom, thanks!

  116. Benny Blanco January 26th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    and the Cashman bashing continues…

    Tune in for more cashman bashing tomorrow. Same LOHUD time, same LOHUD channel.

  117. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    Doreen, I’m not saying Cashman wasnt’ high on Phil, but he never talked about him like this…………nor did he talk about Joba like this. In fact, I can’t think of anyone he’s drooled over to this degree. Either way, Manny absolutely has to stay a starter in the minors for at least a couple of more years – he’s a baby. Betances is more advanced, apparently, but he’s missed time with injury so he could use the time as well.

  118. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    Maybe Cashman shouldn’t provide such material then if he doesn’t want to be bashed. His comments are stupid and completely unprofessional.

  119. West Coast Yankee Fan January 26th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    It’s unfortunate that some choose to try and deflect legitimate criticism by calling it “bashing”. If you disagree, explain why.

  120. randy l. January 26th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    if cashman really publicly said joba’s stuff is pedestrian as a starter, he’s consciously trying to tick joba off.

  121. SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Oh pleasevwith the nonsensical overreaction.

    George called people worse publicly for YEARS.

    The fans don’t pay Brian Cashman’s salary. The Yankees do andbthat money doesn’t come from tickets and merchandise sales.

    Doreen is right. So much nonsense over nothing.

    Why is it that the folks who seem to get offended the most when guys like Cashman fire back are the same ones who not only bash the guy daily but feel it’s their right to do it everyday?

    If you are going to take the shots, learn how to receive them in return.

    In other words, grow thicker skin. It will serve you well.

  122. Rich in NJ January 26th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    People are stupid, but GMs can do stupid thing too.

  123. randy l. January 26th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    first of all , does anyone have any links to what cashman actually said?

  124. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    SJ, how about you have a little more tolerance for someone else’s opinion. If you don’t think it’s a big deal what Cash said, fine, but don’t lecture anyone else about overreacting. I think he’s a moron for saying those………I like and respect Doreen, but I disagree with her. I don’t care what George did – why do you keep harping back to George? When he said those things, he was wrong – and Cash is wrong too. Let’s drop this since you can’t be civil and since you have no desire to have a decent conversation about this. You don’t like anything I have to say – I get it. Why don’t you just ignore me since every post you respond to me is a lecture telling me to quit doing something?

  125. SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    “Cash deserves to be called out”. Priceless! lol

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    “Deserves to be called out” for having an opinion to his critics?

    Like I said, you can’t make this stuff up.

  126. Tom in N.J. January 26th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Hal Steinbrenner called the Rangers owner stupid in November.

  127. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Randy, I hope this really wasn’t an April Fool’s joke. I don’t see any article by Wally on ESPN NY with these type quotes

  128. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Whatever, SJ……….

  129. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Here it is, whew:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....KHeadlines

  130. Benny Blanco January 26th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Betsy,

    I know I don’t post as nearly as much as you do but let me as you a question. What is/was cashman suppose to say? He’s been asked the same question for the past 3 years. If cashman chooses not to address it , then he’s avoiding the question. If he answers honestly, then he’s being too honest.

    I dont understand the hatred for this guy. Some of you act as if cashman doesnt want the yankees to be successful every year.

    None of us ( well, maybe some of you) knows what goes on behind closed doors in the yankee front office.

  131. pat January 26th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Five bucks to the first guy who goes up to Cash at the bar and asks for a pitcher.

    :lol:

  132. G. Love January 26th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Randy,

    Here’s the link

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....KHeadlines

    I believe Joba Chamberlain was just given a massive wake up call through the press.

  133. 4time January 26th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Can only imagine what Cash is going to say tonight after he has a few shots

    Hope some writers are at the bar to get some quotes.

  134. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Benny, a GM calling people stupid is not something I agree with; we’ll have to disagree. I don’t think it’s worth getting into an argument about.

  135. SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Betsy,

    How about this……….

    How about you go ONE day without whining or complaining about something regarding the Yankees?

    One day, that’s all.

    You are in a constant state of unhappiness everyday over something re: this team.

    Mostly about things that aren’t even important.

    It’s simply incredible how unhappy you are about EVERYTHING with this team.

    If everything about this team pains you so much, go follow the Mets or Pirates and experience REAL fan pain.

    Randy,

    Cashman’s comments are contained in a story on Joba by Wally Matthews on the ESPN 1050 website.

  136. Benny Blanco January 26th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    Betsy,

    I wasn’t looking for an argument. I just wanted to know why you despise cashman so much? Ok, maybe despise is a bit strong; dis-like.

  137. pat January 26th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    PeterBotte Cashman @FoleysNY “We have to leave Andy alone. We can’t harrass him. If something changes, he’ll let us know. That hasn’t happened.”

  138. Rich in NJ January 26th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    “If everything about this team pains you so much, go follow the Mets or Pirates and experience REAL fan pain.”

    Oh please. Let her say what she wants.

  139. BIG AL January 26th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    MTU -

    You got it wrong, seldom does Iceland get ice in the winter, and is warmer than other nations in the same area. It’s Greenland that is covered in ice and snow. Someone had to have a great sense of humor in naming those countries.

  140. MaineYankee January 26th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    “Those people are stupid”

    I think this is aimed at the one that thought the Twins did a better job developing pitchers. :lol:

  141. pat January 26th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    K. Long on MLB Network coming up next to talk about switching hitting this time.

  142. Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    ESPN W(isconsin) is reporting that Cashman called Cheeseheads stupid too.

    This guy is out of control! :mad:

  143. West Coast Yankee Fan January 26th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    SJ44 wouldn’t have a clue as to what’s appropriate or not in a corporate setting. There is not an owner or CEO anywhere that would be supportive of his General Manager calling the media and their customers stupid.

  144. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Rich, thanks……If he doesn’t like me, that’s fine – don’t know why he can’t ignore me. I’m as much of a Yankee fan as SJ is and whether he thinks so or not is just that important to me. What SJ wants is a blog where everyone agrees with his opinion………..or, he wants to chase away people he doesn’t like. I’m sorry he won’t get his wish.

  145. LGY January 26th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    I can’t be the only one who noticed WCYF went from saying how great Cashmans quotes were one minute to criticizing for him the next.

    Troll malfunction?

  146. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    just “not” that imnportant to me……..

  147. West Coast Yankee Fan January 26th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    LGY – that you aren’t astute enough to recognize sarcasm doesn’t surprise me.

  148. Rich in NJ January 26th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    LGY

    I have always thought that he is a RS fan.

  149. Doreen January 26th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Betsy -

    # West Coast Yankee Fan January 26th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Class act by Cashman huh, calling the media and/or fans stupid? Yankees management is a headless horse without George. All winter long, Hank, Cash, Levine, one ridiculous public statement after another. Can you imagine any boss thinking it’s ok for one of their managers to call people stupid in public?

    They won’t say why they fired their pitching coach, that’s in a steel vault, but they are ok running their mouths on everything else. Amazing.

    *****

    That is why I brought up George. George Steinbrenner, in his heyday was the worst! I’m not saying I liked it, or that it was a good thing. I’m pointing out that those that say the Yankees are like a headless horse without George are really barking up the wrong tree.

  150. SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    She can say whatever she wants.

    However, she can’t get upset when she gets called out on it.

    Look, no team is perfect.

    The daily whining about this team reaches idiotic proportions at times.

    The sky is not falling and not everything they do is wrong.

    For those that think that’s the case, they can’t get upset when people disagree with them.

  151. Crawdaddy January 26th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    “Oh please. Let her say what she wants.”

    SJ and nobody else is going to stop her for saying what she wants anyway.

  152. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Benny, I don’t despise Cash – I was always a supporter of his. I’ve lost patience with him and these quotes tick me off. I know you wouldn’t argue with me, but saying stuff like “it’s bash Cash time” is just silly. These comments are pretty inflammatory and I think anyone who criticizes Cashman based on same are entitled to do so. Criticizing someone does not necessarily equate to bashing

  153. Crawdaddy January 26th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    “I have always thought that he is a RS fan.”

    I agree with you.

  154. AZ88 January 26th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    “I can’t be the only one who noticed WCYF went from saying how great Cashmans quotes were one minute to criticizing for him the next. ”

    Contrarian point of view? He thought people would bash Cashman for those quotes, then when he realized people didn’t care and/or actually liked it, he bashed him for making them.

  155. West Coast Yankee Fan January 26th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Doreen, I understand your point. It’s not what George himself said or didn’t say, it was that he controlled everything that happened in the organization. It was all him.

  156. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    Craw, that’s right, but since he can’t ignore me, I’ll just ignore him. Every time SJ responds to a post of mine that he disagrees with, he starts off with “please just quit it” or something to that effect. He clearly is not interested in having a conversation with me, just in talking down to me. Also, this is a free message board – something SJ apparently disagrees with. If you don’t agree with him or he doesn’t like you, you better wear an asbestos suit because he will flame you. Well,. I have no intention of letting anyone talk to me like that – I would’t take it in real life and I sure won’t take it from some stranger on a message board who doesn’t know me from Adam.

  157. West Coast Yankee Fan January 26th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    You guys are delusional, no one despises the Red Sox more than I. Being objective and having one’s eyes wide open doesn’t exclude one from being a Yankee fan.

  158. SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    West Coast,

    LOL. Right, I have no idea about what it’s like in a corporate setting.

    Hal Steinbrenner called Chuck Greenberg “stupid” in October.

    Funny, I don’t recall you standing on a soapbox decrying those comments.

    Cashman wasn’t in a “corporate setting” when he answered Wally’s question.

    He also didn’t call any particular person “stupid”.

    He said that anybody believing Joba was ruined by the Yankees were “stupid”.

    It may have hurt your feelings. If it did, email him and ask for an apology.

    As far as his bosses being upset with him? Don’t hold your breath.

  159. pat January 26th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    It’s impressive how K.Long has developed a diferent drill for every guy to work on their individual needs.

  160. Crawdaddy January 26th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Man, I can’t wait until spring training starts as this offseason has been a killer for Yankee fans.

  161. West Coast Yankee Fan January 26th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    LOL it’s pretty funny actually, fans defending their GM for calling them stupid.

  162. Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Anyway, this is a blog for Yankee talk – no need to hash out our differences here. For those in the northeast, tonight is going to be brutal, so hopefully you can all stay in – and I will be hoping that our office is closed tomorrow.

  163. Crawdaddy January 26th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    I can’t believe Cashman called me stupid. I think I’ll go over to that bar and punch him in the nose.

  164. Tom in N.J. January 26th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    I never believed that the Yankees ruined Joba. Cash and I are good.

  165. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 26th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    I hear that being perfect is an absolutely great thing (I wouldn’t know because I’m not) but is it really necessary to criticize players in the most superficial and probably hurtful way possible. And before you say that players don’t read this forum, you have no way of knowing whether or not thats true.

    I read comments about Madrigal’s looks and about Colon’s weight. Nasty and rude comments. I really don’t find any of that funny. And if the players don’t ever read this blog, I still don’t find it funny. To me that smacks of a bully attitude and and it really is not a nice thing to do. This is a tough society to live in if you’re not one of the “beautiful people.” Try showing a little maturity and compassion. People have feelings – even those who are in the public more than others.

  166. West Coast Yankee Fan January 26th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    Calcaterra: ‘Very strong possibility’ Pettitte pitches in 2011
    By Mike Axisa/RAB

    Update (5:22 p.m.): Via friend of RAB Craig Calcaterra, a source close to Andy Pettitte says there’s a “very strong possibility” that the big lefty will pitch in the upcoming season.

  167. randy l. January 26th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    “Cashman said that, published reports to the contrary, he neither wants to trade Chamberlain nor is trying to. ”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....KHeadlines

    well ,who would want him when his own gm says that he has pedestrian starter stuff and that he’s heard that he parties too much.

    i think this is simply a planned organizational thing to light a fire under joba. girardi basically said joba is emotionally better suited to the bullpen and being a two pitch pitcher and that having to throw four pitches as a starter taxed him .

    mussina, by the way didn’t win those twenty games his last year on his own. he was flat out told by eiland and girardi before the season began to pitch up and in or he was going to the bullpen. pitchers, even the smartest ones, need some leadership sometimes.

  168. SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Actually, he didn’t call Yankee fans stupid at all.

    He called people who believed the Yankees ruined Joba stupid.

    If you have a quote from Cashman West Coast in which he is calling fans stupid, now would be a good time to produce it.

  169. Rich in NJ January 26th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    “You guys are delusional, no one despises the Red Sox more than I. Being objective and having one’s eyes wide open doesn’t exclude one from being a Yankee fan.”

    Virtually every position you take casts the Yankees in the most unfavorable light possible.

  170. Crawdaddy January 26th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Rich,

    The Yankees can’t do anything right, at least, it appears that way according to WCYF.

  171. randy l. January 26th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    “To me that smacks of a bully attitude and and it really is not a nice thing to do. This is a tough society to live in if you’re not one of the “beautiful people.” Try showing a little maturity and compassion. ”

    trisha-

    i really don’t care one way or the other about fans calling players names, but don’t you call youkillis “pukeface ” all the time ?

    i’m a little puzzled why you would say fans shouldn’t call players names when you do it all the time.i don’t care that you do, but i don’t get why yankee fans can’t poke fun at colon. he is pretty funny looking you have to admit.

    if you can’t make fun of colon, who could you make fun of ?

  172. pat January 26th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Cashman has been doing “you can’t handle the truth” scene from A Few Good Men this week and some people are not so comfoprtable with it.

    Accoding to Francesa today, the Yankee front office is cool with everything Cashman has said.

  173. SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    For the record, Cashman didn’t say Joba partied too much.

    In fact, he refuted it.

    It was an “unnamed” source who said he “felt Joba burned the candle at both ends”.

    FWIW, my nephew spent some time with Joba in Vegas and said he wasn’t partying hard at all.

    He also wasn’t drinking.

  174. West Coast Yankee Fan January 26th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Cashman’s stupid comment was in direct reference to Joba’s performance issues being related to, “the Yankees’ management of Joba’s early career”. Many fans and media believe this to be true. Cashman did not need to use the words “stupid fans” for anyone to draw that conclusion.

    Who do you think he was calling stupid? Penguins?

  175. mick January 26th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    “Those people are stupid,” Cashman said of critics of the Yankees’ handling of Chamberlain. “It’s just an easy, stupid, idiotic thing to say. There’s no screwing anything up. That’s how Andy Pettitte came in, that’s how guys have been broken in for years. They’re starters in the minor leagues, they come up and we use them in the ‘pen, and eventually they break into the rotation. So what’s the problem? I just think it’s naïve.”
    ===============================================
    Has he been reading LoHud?

  176. West Coast Yankee Fan January 26th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Crawdaddy, the Yankees do lots of things right; that’s why they are the greatest sports franchise in history bar none. They don’t do everything right.

  177. Patrick January 26th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    I don’t have any problem with Cashman’s comments, he’s telling the truth… Joba’s stuff is greatly diminished after the injury he had back in 2008. If you look at his fastball velocity from before the injury to after the injury it’s as clear as day that the injury had a huge effect on his stuff. The good news is, Joba like every other pitcher, can throw harder out of the pen than when starting. His stuff out of the pen isn’t as good as it was in 2007 and 2008 but it’s still good enough for him to be a great reliever.

    And the stuff about the Yankees ruining him. Please. He got hurt in 2008, it happens to pitchers all the time. The Yankees were very careful with him, he was on an innings count and a pitch count. They gradually built him up as a starter. Anyone who thinks the Yankees ruined him is certainly stupid. The day he was “ruined” was the day he hurt his shoulder.

  178. Jerkface January 26th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    Cashman wasn’t calling me stupid. So I’m fine with the comments. No one responded to my late night post last night, but RAB and Cliff Corcoran suggested that Joba hurt his shoulder diving to the ground to avoid an errant I-Rod throw to 2nd. He landed on his injured shoulder…hmmm…

  179. pat January 26th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    “Many fans and media believe this to be true. ”

    Just the stupid ones. :wink:

  180. SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    Grow a thicker skin west coast. It will serve you well.

    I hate to burst your bubble but, Cashman has the full support of ownership for everything he’s saying.

    If they don’t have a problem with him, that should tell you something.

  181. Jerkface January 26th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    In fact, given those comments, *I* might be Cashman

  182. Benny Blanco January 26th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    Betsy,

    I never said “its bash cash time” , per se. I said ” and the cashman bashing continues.”

    I”m a supporter of cashman. I’m not sure who else I could envision being the gm for the yankees.

    What annoys me about some yankee fans regarding their opinions of cashman is he can never “do right.”

    I applauded, just like the rest of you when cashman repelled down the chimmey of fenway park and snatched texeira from the redsox like a thief in the night.

    When CC was on the market, yankee fans were ready to have his head if he didnt get CC. Well, what happen? He signed Sabathia. and by the way, he signed burnett too. ( a move I agreed with because he was coming off a great year).

    I remember that winter vividly, Cashman could do “no wrong.” Cashman was the man! He was everyones friend. Yankees got ripped for their spending spree and who was there answering questions and taking “heat”? Cashman.

  183. SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    LOL @ Pat!

  184. Tom in N.J. January 26th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    I always thought that’s when Joba got hurt…

  185. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 26th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    “i really don’t care one way or the other about fans calling players names, but don’t you call youkillis “pukeface ” all the time ?”

    No, I called him pukelis. I am not making fun of his looks or his body, I am using a nickname to bust him as a Sux fan. I call Papelbon a lot of things too. But that is totally about them playing for the rival team.

    We havent even had the opportunity to welcome these players and already some people are making fun of their looks/body. I just think it’s meanspirited.

  186. Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Is it necessary to call people stupid in public? It really is not a nice thing to do. This is a tough society to live in if you’re not one of the “smart people.” Try showing a little maturity and compassion.

  187. SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    I saw that post on RAB. It’s an interesting theory.

    To me, it’s more plausible than tendinitis along causing the diminshing of his stuff.

  188. Crawdaddy January 26th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    I can’t believe that this is Cashman’s 14th year as GM. I never thought it was possible for a Yankee GM to last that long.

  189. mick January 26th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    I sense a LoHud riot…

  190. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 26th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    “Cashman has been doing “you can’t handle the truth” scene from A Few Good Men this week and some people are not so comfoprtable with it.

    Accoding to Francesa today, the Yankee front office is cool with everything Cashman has said.”

    I think Cashman being totally upfront with his comments is nothing but good. I also totally believe that the front office has no problem with it. These guys have been together for a long time.

  191. blake January 26th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    Lohud needs baseball games…..and soon.

  192. West Coast Yankee Fan January 26th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    Grow a thicker skin west coast. It will serve you well. I hate to burst your bubble but, Cashman has the full support of ownership for everything he’s saying. If they don’t have a problem with him, that should tell you something.

    **************

    My skin is as thick as they come SJ, I can handle your arrogance in my sleep. As to Yankee ownership, I didn’t notice you providing a link specifically referring to their support of Cashman’s statement calling people stupid. I’ll wait for it. If they didn’t have a problem with it, you are right, it tell me a lot.

  193. Rich in NJ January 26th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    Crawdaddy

    He acts as if they are the Pirates.

  194. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 26th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    “Is it necessary to call people stupid in public? It really is not a nice thing to do. This is a tough society to live in if you’re not one of the “smart people.” Try showing a little maturity and compassion.”

    Oh, good try but no cigar. Analogize properly if you are going to do it at all.

    Thank you.

  195. mick January 26th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Betsy has gone to Solitary…

  196. blake January 26th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Growing thicker skin would probably also help with this weather….

  197. mick January 26th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    In this corner we have Randy and Nick Vs. Trisha…

  198. Rich in NJ January 26th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Tendinitis is a catchall diagnosis. It can include inflammation to a small tear. If the Yankees are being candid about Joba’s injury (I can understand why they might not be), it may well be a small tear, but that the risk of surgery is greater than pitching with it.

  199. randy l. January 26th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    “He works his tail off but I think he parties his tail off, too,” said a Yankees insider who insisted on anonymity. ” I think he wastes a lot of his work ethic because he burns the candle at both ends.”

    “I’ve heard that,” Cashman acknowledged. “But I’ve never seen it.”

    sj44-

    cashman didn’t say joba doesn’t party. he just said he hasn’t seen it.

  200. mick January 26th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    SJ has defeated Betsy…

  201. Crawdaddy January 26th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    “Betsy has gone to Solitary…”

    Actually, she has sent Cashman there along with AJ and to a certain extent, Phil.;)

  202. pat January 26th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    Ledger_Yankees So the Yankees general manager walks into a bar. And Cliff Lee says… http://yfrog.com/h2mususj

    The alter ego has returned.

  203. Patrick January 26th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    I saw that post on RAB. It’s an interesting theory.

    To me, it’s more plausible than tendinitis along causing the diminshing of his stuff.

    I don’t know what exactly happened to Joba. The only thing I know is his stuff has been worse since that injury in August 2008.

  204. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 26th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    “In this corner we have Randy and Nick Vs. Trisha…”

    :)

    Don’t count on it.

  205. SAS January 26th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    All of this negative talk about Cashman makes me nuts. No GM, owner, etc. is going to be right all the time. All Cashman has done since becoming GM is put a playoff team on the field year after year with one exception.

    There isn’t another GM who can match regardless of funds. There are players on the Yankees making huge salaries so when it comes time to filling in the blanks, there is very little excess money.

    Frankly, I admire Cashman. He was able to work for George and not get fired. He has built a farm system, and he has been able to hold on to free agents. He has worked with super stars who have huge egos and not lost one of them to another team, and he has filled in the blanks.

    Yes, there have been bad signings, but when Pavano was signed who knew he would be injured for most of 4 years. Igawa, though highly acclaimed in Japan, just can’t make it on the Yankees roster. He might have done so in Pittsburgh or some place like that. Cashman had no way in this world of knowing that Nick Johnson would bat a handful of times before a season ending injury. He traded for and signed Tex in the middle of the year outsmarting other GMs, and so forth.

    So all of you who bad mouth Cashman with 20/20 hindsight are hypocrites because had a couple of those guys had worked, he would have been a genius to you. No one is perfect. All of you should be careful what you wish for because an Omar Minaya type could replace Cashman should he not re-sign.

  206. mick January 26th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    # Crawdaddy January 26th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    “Betsy has gone to Solitary…”

    Actually, she has sent Cashman there along with AJ and to a certain extent, Phil.;)
    ================================
    Methinks Cash has been reading Betsy and has decided to piss her off.

  207. West Coast Yankee Fan January 26th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Was Yankee management’s statement supporting Cashman’s comments refer to those made yesterday at the breakfast and on Kay’s show? Or the “stupid” comments reported by Matthews today?

  208. MTU January 26th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Al-

    Sounds like they got it backwards.

  209. mick January 26th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Don’t count on it.
    =========
    You can take em.

  210. Rich in NJ January 26th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    “If they didn’t have a problem with it, you are right, it tell me a lot.”

    Like that they believe Cash is a talented GM, and that they can tolerate some public dissent from a valued employee?

    Oh wait, that would make too much sense.

    The pattern continues.

  211. Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    It wasn’t an anology, it was just a joke. If you ask people on a baseball blog to comment as if they’re on a Teletubbies blog, there will be jokes.
    :arrow:

  212. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Not to change the subject, but….

    Yes, I did mean to, because this whining about what Cashman said is beyond stupid.

    Last night, there were remarks made on here about the new CBA and whether the owners will push for hard slotting. They’ll have to give up something larde to push that through. Something huge like ending compensation picks for signing Type A and Type B free agents.

  213. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 26th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Watching Cash Cab. He just asked a question about poutine!!!

    :)

    They got it right.

  214. Rich in NJ January 26th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    “cashman didn’t say joba doesn’t party. he just said he hasn’t seen it.”

    Isn’t that the most reasonable public stance to take?

  215. Crawdaddy January 26th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    The more Cashman talks, the more I like him.

  216. mick January 26th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Ding, ding, ding…
    NEXT ROUND=====>>>>>>>

  217. BoJo January 26th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    I saw that post on RAB. It’s an interesting theory.

    To me, it’s more plausible than tendinitis along causing the diminshing of his stuff.
    ++++++++++++++++
    I also read the article. But how long does it take for such an injury to heal? Are we to believe that Joba will never recover from it, especially when his velocity improved so much at the end of last year?

    And why can’t he start even with the injury? He pitched well enough to be a 5th starter in 2009–the year following hte injury. Until August 8th or so, he was having a very good year.

  218. SJ44 January 26th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    West coast,

    Since you are a self-appointed “expert” on corporate behavior, do you think Brian Cashman is dumb enough to blow a $2 million dollar a year job, and hurt his future employment chances, by saying things in public his bosses wouldn’t like?

    We are talking about a guynwho has worked with this team for 20 years. He’s not new to the jungle.

    Ownership is in his corner. If you don’t like it? Get over it.

    Or, go to Foley’s tonight and express your displeasure about it.

    If you can’t make it to Foley’s, email Hal with your displeasure that Cash isn’t acting the way YOU want him to act.

    Hal often answers fans emails.

    Give it a shot. You may get a reply.

  219. BoJo January 26th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Next, I expect Cashman to start his own blog–”TheCashmanStrikesBack.com”–where he blasts stupid Yankee fans for various things.

  220. randy l. January 26th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    “In this corner we have Randy and Nick Vs. Trisha…”

    actually nick and me don’t get along so well always. he’s so stupid he needs me to tell him how to call iceland.

    not only that, he didn’t even know what time zone he was in.

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