Texas CEO: Rangers opened door for Lee’s return to Philly
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Jan 26, 2011 
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Feel free to really hate the Rangers now.
During a Fan Fest in Arlington on Sunday, Rangers CEO Chuck Greenberg said it’s his belief that Cliff Lee was going to sign with the Yankees until Texas made one last attempt, keeping the door open just long enough for the Phillies to swoop in and land the left-hander.
“Even though Philadelphia was probably not in, they were always in the back of our mind,” Greenberg said. “I think if we wouldn’t have gone to Arkansas that last time, I think he was going to sign with the Yankees. We pried the door open a little bit to give ourselves another opportunity. And ultimately the Phillies were able to take advantage of that opportunity that we created.”
A few more notes and links on this Wednesday night.
• Hank Steinbrenner says the Yankees “have to win.” Actually, he said it a little more colorfully than that.
• David Cone is returning to the YES broadcast booth. He’ll do 25 games, according to Joel Sherman.
• Chad Moeller has signed a minor league deal with the Rockies.
• Keith Law says the Yankees have the ninth-best minor league system in baseball, directly ahead of the Mariners, Red Sox and Rangers. The Royals, of course, are at the top.
• I’ve never met him, but I’ve always rooted for Rocco Baldelli to stay healthy enough to keep playing. It just wasn’t in the cards, though, and Baldelli now says he’s finished for good.
• According to a press release, the YES Network finished 2010 as the most watched regional sports network in the country for the eighth straight year.
• Just in case you missed it, Brian Cashman acknowledged yesterday that Joba Chamberlain’s injury in Texas in 2008 has significantly impacted his performance and perceived future.
I don’t hate the Rangers at all based on this. Lee wanted to go to Philly, that’s plain………If he wanted to be with NY, he would have signed after they offered him the 7 years. It’s water under the bridge now, so I don’t think about it at all anymore
How is the Red Sox farm just behind the Yankees?
yankeefeminista January 26th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Pat M. January 26th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
Jackson reminds me of Gary Pettis for those who were around back in the 80?s…
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Yes, good comp
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And yet, I don’t remember teams clamouring to build their team around Gary Pettis.
SAS January 26th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Bojo,
Those are good if I can remember them
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That’s why they invented Bookmarks!
Chad
I’ve always rooted for Baldelli too. When he was with the Stonecrabs I went to see him play but he wasn’t in the lineup. The only Devil Rays player I followed besides Josh Hamilton.
Best wishes to Rocco Baldelli.
Betsy–
The reason Lee loved Philly so much was that they paid him the highest average annual salary IMO. If not for the delay, I agree Lee may have signed with Yankees. We should all THANK Texas!
This jerk is so transparently afflicted by Yankee envy, and maybe some other envies, it’s scary.
Jackson’s bat is yet to be seen, but they both share similar skills early on….Gary started off with promise as he could steal bases, was a blanket in center as he was the guy who replaced Freddy Lynn…But he just whiffed so much and had a weak stick….He was moved to make room for Devon White who could hit…….I really haven’t seen but maybe 15 of Jackson’s games so it’s a first impression thing at this point……
• Hank Steinbrenner says the Yankees “have to win.” Actually, he said it a little more colorfully than that.
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Colorful language in baseball is always welcome. That’s baseball. Cussin’ fightin’ dirt, hard slides, hot dogs.
Red Hot Women and Ice Cold Beer.
ooops. That last one is a song…nothing to do with baseball.
Triple Short of a Cycle January 26th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
How is the Red Sox farm just behind the Yankees?
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I think the error is thinking these guys that put these lists together have something scientific to impart to the rest of us.Who even knows how well researched such a list is?It’s just somebody’s idea of rankings that gets published.yea the Red Sox being “just” behind us,especially since they gave away the bulk of it in the AGon trade.I pay no attention to these lists.
I meant to say the red sox being “just”behind us considering the Agon package seems farfetched.
Cesar Geronimo and Billy Bruton are also pretty fair comparisons to Jackson, too.
eff Cliff Lee.
I hope he chokes on a cheesesteak.
GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Cesar Geronimo and Billy Bruton are also pretty fair comparisons to Jackson, too.
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Again, no one that teams were building dynasties around.
Has Keith Law even seen half these minor leaguers play? He passes himself off as an expert but how can you rank someone if you’ve never seen them.
As for Cliff Lee, one of the reasons he ultimately picked Philly I think is that his son was sick as an infant and they apparently found a good doctor there. If his Leukemia were to ever come back, it probably comforts them knowing they have doctors they trust in the same city.
The Ranger’s CEO is such a dork. Celebrating that the Yankees didn’t get a player and trying to take some credit for it.
They aren’t building a dynasty around Jackson, either.
GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
They aren’t building a dynasty around Jackson, either.
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Exactly
Has Keith Law even seen half these minor leaguers play? He passes himself off as an expert but how can you rank someone if you’ve never seen them.
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Every prospect ranking service in america doesn’t see all the prospects. They rely on the consensus of their scouts and scouting services. Keith Law does see prospects though, but certainly not all of them.
tyanksfan36 January 26th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
Has Keith Law even seen half these minor leaguers play? He passes himself off as an expert but how can you rank someone if you’ve never seen them.
As for Cliff Lee, one of the reasons he ultimately picked Philly I think is that his son was sick as an infant and they apparently found a good doctor there. If his Leukemia were to ever come back, it probably comforts them knowing they have doctors they trust in the same city.
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Well then that makes sense because NYC doesn’t have any doctors.
GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
They aren’t building a dynasty around Jackson, either.
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wasn’t the initial comparison between Austin Jackson & Brett Gardner?not exactly gonna wear the ‘franchise’ tag himself.
Pat M,
I was on the edge of my seat as well there
Good win for the baby blue.
JAP–
I thought we were talking about whether giving up AJax was a bad move…and my point is that while a nice player, he wouldn’t have won a starting position on our team and thus was no big lose.
(I am presuming that if we didn’t get Grandy, we would have acquired another power bat for LF or CF–perhaps Holliday or Josh Hamilton or someone like that.)
That’s a leap. Who said anything about Jackson being a player you build a team around???
yankeefeminista January 26th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
That’s a leap. Who said anything about Jackson being a player you build a team around???
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I used that term to overemphasize my point that losing him was no big loss.
Cashman just toasted with several people at the bar. “To finding starting pitching… eventually.”
http://twitter.com/Ledger_Yankees
Bojo
Ha ha. I’m sure that he couldve found a good doctor in NY but its probably more comforting knowing there is someone in Philly that the family trusted. Jorge Posada made his home in Tampa because there was a specialist here that he and his family trusted with their son.
Bojo, yea there was that debate & then it got into comparing Jackson & Gardner.We’ll just have to see how Jackson’s career plays out.I think if his LD rates are maintained & he develops more power,which is perfectly possible,the K rates will not be as big of an issue, obviously.since he’s only 23,& not 27 like Gardner is,I’d say he’s got some launch time before approaching the prime yrs.Granderson is a CF with power who is still young so we can’t complain about that trade too much,I’d agree.In fact, Granderson’s power allows the yanks to “carry” Gardner’s lack of it in left field,as yanfem observed in last thread.& Granderson is a lefthanded hitter,also good for the home park.
Jackson will be a fine ballplayer with or without the power…if he can knock about 65-70 strikeouts off that total.
blake…..It’s now Caroline W time from down under…..I think she wins her first Slam this weekend
if he can knock about 65-70 strikeouts off that total.
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65-70? That is asking a lot.
GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Jackson will be a fine ballplayer with or without the power…if he can knock about 65-70 strikeouts off that total.
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He is already one of the best defenders in baseball.Granderson though surprised me with his defense.I kept hearing he had eye problems but he’s barely missed a beat out in center for the yankees.
tyanksfan36 January 26th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
Has Keith Law even seen half these minor leaguers play? He passes himself off as an expert but how can you rank someone if you’ve never seen them.
As for Cliff Lee, one of the reasons he ultimately picked Philly I think is that his son was sick as an infant and they apparently found a good doctor there. If his Leukemia were to ever come back, it probably comforts them knowing they have doctors they trust in the same city.
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Well, that is the thing. These rankings are amusing, but as Pruf said there is no real science to them.
I remember calling out writers on another site who trashed Brackman after having seen him pitch just once and who had no idea that over the course of the season he had been walking batters because he was being told to throw a changeup over and over again. Once Brackman moved to the pen, later in the year, the same publication were oohing and ahhing over Brackman’s “improvement,” but he merely was no longer throwing the changeup, so of course he was no longer walking anyone.
Boston’s “high” ranking by Law is a bit contradictory, considering Law said his criteria for ranking was more based on team’s with players who are closer to the majors. However, then doesn’t Law say Boston’s ranking is based on the strength of their prospects at the *lower* levels? Strange.
Jackson is only 23 and pretty raw still. He got into baseball late. So, he is not a finished product by any means. I would like to see him excel. He is a good ballplayer and a very nice kid, as well.
Yes, without looking at the numbers, but based on visuals, watching him through the course of a season at the (new) Stadium, Granderson has looked very good in CF.
Pat M
LOL. I sure was.
Despite where the Sox are ranked by Law, one thing is for sure….they’d love to get their hands on any one of the Yankee catching prospects.
I feel bad about Baldelli. He was so good when he started. I guess you just never know.
Really like what I saw from Jackson as well. Just wait till he gets some more experience…
Boston’s “high” ranking by Law is a bit contradictory, considering Law said his criteria for ranking was more based on team’s with players who are closer to the majors. However, then doesn’t Law say Boston’s ranking is based on the strength of their prospects at the *lower* levels? Strange.
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well that’s interesting.like I say,I ignore such lists,but that’s a douzie.Whither, Lars Anderson?You were supposed to be the classic slugging left0handed first baseman.Instead,you flopped,& the Red Sox had to trade their little jewels for AGon,who you were supposed to be….lol.
GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Jackson will be a fine ballplayer with or without the power…if he can knock about 65-70 strikeouts off that total.
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That’s the thing that worries me most about AJax…he seemed to become more vulnerable as pitchers found out about him…his avg dipped from 300 to 285, and his performance against power pitchers or power/finese pitchers was prety poor. He only beat up on finese pitchers.
Prospect Rankings should be looked at in an amalgam of the overall rankings and scouting reports, but not regarded for anything more than discussion and what the general feel for prospects is baseball-wide.
Being ranked poorly has no bearing on what a player actually does, its just fun to talk about.
Tar,
Barnes was big time tonight
Jackson is only 23 and pretty raw still.
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He has been in pro ball for 5 years.
Curtis Granderson is very good…..
What is the difference between a scout and a talent evaluator? I know a scout travels to “scout” out new talent. So, does a talent evaluator check out the new talent sent to him by the scout to verify?
“Then why did they let him compete for the job in 2010?”
That was part of the comedic fraud that there was a competition between Phil, Joba, Mitre, Gaudin, and Aceves.
They each had a 20% chance to win the job!
Take Joba out of the ‘competition’ and it looks even more phony.
Choosing Phil after he gave up those ‘wind-aided’ bombs and Joba was pitching well was just part of the fun.
# Nick in SF January 26th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
“Then why did they let him compete for the job in 2010?”
That was part of the comedic fraud that there was a competition between Phil, Joba, Mitre, Gaudin, and Aceves.
They each had a 20% chance to win the job!
Take Joba out of the ‘competition’ and it looks even more phony.
Choosing Phil after he gave up those ‘wind-aided’ bombs and Joba was pitching well was just part of the fun.
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Lol oh yea I remember the wind aided HRs lol. The only way Phil wasn’t going to be named the 5th starter is if he got hurt.
Jerkface January 26th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Jackson is only 23 and pretty raw still.
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He has been in pro ball for 5 years.
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He is a 23 year old rookie. What is your point? That his K rates are too high. Yes, agree. That he needs to improve. Yes, agree. However, he had a very good year.
Pat M,
I think Grandy proves the trade a success in 2011.
Nick–
I also recall that as ST went on, Joba pitched better (after battling the flu), and Hughes worse….I still think something is amiss.
Blake
He absolutely wants the ball with the game on the line, fearless.
Yankeefem
I feel the same way. My friends husband had a good year in Low A but in A ball they wanted him to strictly use his 2 seam fastball? Whichever you use to get ground balls. He excelled at not getting fly balls(only allowed 2 HR all season) but he became extremely hittable. I think you have to see someone a few times, talk to the player and coaches before passing your judgement on them, especially those that consider themselves experts.
Jerkface January 26th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Prospect Rankings should be looked at in an amalgam of the overall rankings and scouting reports, but not regarded for anything more than discussion and what the general feel for prospects is baseball-wide.
Being ranked poorly has no bearing on what a player actually does, its just fun to talk about.
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That about sums it up.
Pat M. January 26th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Curtis Granderson is very good…..
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seeing him play every day certainly supports that view.I always liked his defensive game but when we were rumored to be looking into him,his defense was hotly questioned.there was talk about contact lenses etc.the guy is pretty seamless in the OF.I remember folks wanted Gardner in center & CG to move over but that got snuffed out pretty fast once the guy gloved everything out there.he’s really an ideal player for the yankees considering how the park is configured.
“So, he is not a finished product by any means”
That’s merely a guess.
For Erica:
“It Was A Dark And Stormy Night
by Snoopy
Part I
It was a dark and stormy night. Suddenly, a shot rang out! A door slammed. The maid screamed.
Suddenly, a pirate ship appeared on the horizon!
While millions of people were starving, the king lived in luxury. Meanwhile, on a small farm in Kansas, a boy was growing up.
Part II
A light snow was falling, and the little girl with the tattered shawl had not sold a violet all day.
At that very moment, a young intern at City Hospital was making an important discovery. The mysterious patient in Room 213 had finally awakened. She moaned softly.
Could it be that she was the sister of the boy in Kansas who loved the girl with the tattered shawl who was the daughter of the maid who had escaped from the pirates? The intern frowned.
“Stampede!” the foreman shouted, and forty thousand head of cattle thundered down on the tiny camp. The two men rolled on the ground grappling beneath the murderous hooves. A left and a right. A left. Another left and right. An uppercut to the jaw. The fight was over. And so the ranch was saved.
The young intern sat by himself in one corner of the coffee shop. he had learned about medicine, but more importantly, he had learned something about life.”
THE END
http://www.amazon.com/Was-Dark.....0345442725
What is the difference between a scout and a talent evaluator? I know a scout travels to “scout” out new talent. So, does a talent evaluator check out the new talent sent to him by the scout to verify?
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I’d say they are the same thing, did someone make a distinction between them? A scout is a talent evaluator.
Rich in NJ January 26th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
“So, he is not a finished product by any means”
That’s merely a guess.
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Life is a gamble, Rich.
What is the difference between a scout and a talent evaluator?
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Paychecks.
Is it Opening Day yet? Will it be snowed out?
He is a 23 year old rookie. What is your point? That his K rates are too high. Yes, agree. That he needs to improve. Yes, agree. However, he had a very good year.
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You said he is raw, he has been in Pro-Ball and played baseball before then in HS. I wouldn’t exactly call him Raw… I think he could improve, certainly, but he will have to work hard to fill the holes in his game and as long as they exist then he will not be more than a good glove guy in center. The problem with his K rates is that he has always had them. He has struck out in 25% of his ABs in the minors.
yankeefeminista January 26th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
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I wouldn’t be surprised to see AJax regress this coming year.
Pitchers have been getting a good book on him..
Against power pitchers (top third in Ks), his line in 101ABs was 267/327/3666–poor
Against average pitchers, his line in 202 ABs was 243/290/361–awful!
Against finesse pitchers in 315 ABs, his line was 333/386/435–good
Teams will learn to bust him hard inside and soft away and his numbers could approach the 250/300/360 level–very bad
In contrast
Gardner with wrist problems
Against power pitchers (top third in Ks), his line in 91 ABs was 242/405/352–good OBP
Against average pitchers, his line in 128 ABs was 320/420/422–All Star!
Against finesse pitchers in 259 ABs, his line was 266/355/367–good
When Gardner’s wrist is healthy, he actually kills power pitchers. So he can hit against them, and has been learning to better handle finesse pitchers–which were his weakness.
Again, moving AJax for Grandy was a good move…AJax will only be an okay player in future IMO.
Jerkface
I’d say they are the same thing, did someone make a distinction between them? A scout is a talent evaluator.
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No one made a distinction between them. I’ve heard people talk about scouts, then today talk about talent evaluators. So I was just wondering if they were different, or just different names for the same job.
Jerkface January 26th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
He is a 23 year old rookie. What is your point? That his K rates are too high. Yes, agree. That he needs to improve. Yes, agree. However, he had a very good year.
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You said he is raw, he has been in Pro-Ball and played baseball before then in HS. I wouldn’t exactly call him Raw… I think he could improve, certainly, but he will have to work hard to fill the holes in his game and as long as they exist then he will not be more than a good glove guy in center. The problem with his K rates is that he has always had them. He has struck out in 25% of his ABs in the minors.
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In AA his K rates were a high 21%. I’ll bet his K rates next year are better than quite a few CF’s who are currently starting.
yankeefeminista January 26th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
In AA his K rates were a high 21%. I’ll bet his K rates next year are better than quite a few CF’s who are currently starting.
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I’ll betcha that if I was a betting man, I would take that bet.
GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
What is the difference between a scout and a talent evaluator?
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Paychecks.
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Could you elaborate? Thanks
In AA his K rates were a high 21%. I’ll bet his K rates next year are better than quite a few CF’s who are currently starting.
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He wasn’t the leading strike out artist in Center last year, but amongst anyone who struck out 25% or more, he had the worst power.
I just got back from Foley’s. Cashman is a real cool dude. Oh and he left with a chick so he definitely had fun.
No one made a distinction between them. I’ve heard people talk about scouts, then today talk about talent evaluators. So I was just wondering if they were different, or just different names for the same job.
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Different names for the same job.
I just got back from Foley’s. Cashman is a real cool dude. Oh and he left with a chick so he definitely had fun.
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Wish I could have gone, hope that was his wife
Jerkface
Thanks.
KPB January 26th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
What is the difference between a scout and a talent evaluator?
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Paychecks.
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Could you elaborate? Thanks
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Scouts are out beating the bushes and digging in the dirt. Evaluators are more Brooks Brother/office types that pour over the reports and then go out and take a peek at the players. guys like Eppier and Newman tend to go watch their kids after they sign, more than the scouts do.
BoJo January 26th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
yankeefeminista January 26th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
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I wouldn’t be surprised to see AJax regress this coming year.
Pitchers have been getting a good book on him..
Against power pitchers (top third in Ks), his line in 101ABs was 267/327/3666–poor
Against average pitchers, his line in 202 ABs was 243/290/361–awful!
Against finesse pitchers in 315 ABs, his line was 333/386/435–good
Teams will learn to bust him hard inside and soft away and his numbers could approach the 250/300/360 level–very bad
In contrast
Gardner with wrist problems
Against power pitchers (top third in Ks), his line in 91 ABs was 242/405/352–good OBP
Against average pitchers, his line in 128 ABs was 320/420/422–All Star!
Against finesse pitchers in 259 ABs, his line was 266/355/367–good
When Gardner’s wrist is healthy, he actually kills power pitchers. So he can hit against them, and has been learning to better handle finesse pitchers–which were his weakness.
Again, moving AJax for Grandy was a good move…AJax will only be an okay player in future IMO.
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I have no idea how Jackson will do next year. Nor do you, even with the projections. However, I do know his line drive rates were very solid.
As for Gardner. He is 27 years old. He had better be in his prime if he is playing OF for the NY Yankees. At his best, he is a slap hitter, who would do well to put the ball on the ground. He also hasn’t proven except in an extremely small sample size that he can actually hit lefties. I hope he does well, but he is actually overly passive at the plate. If he can maintain the OBP, I will be a happy camper.
LGY
Did you tell him everyone here at Lohud thinks he’s doing a good job?
Especially randy.
Face,
I thought the Cash Man was a bachelor?
Steve Garvey made an appearance.
Jerkface January 26th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
In AA his K rates were a high 21%. I’ll bet his K rates next year are better than quite a few CF’s who are currently starting.
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He wasn’t the leading strike out artist in Center last year, but amongst anyone who struck out 25% or more, he had the worst power.
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Of course he wasn’t. My point. Worst power by a marginal amount, and he is a first year player.
Me: Hey bartender, where te he11 is my drink????
Cashman: Patience. It’s a process.
LGY,
Please give us a report of 1) Why is he cool?
2) Did he say anything we are interested in?
Gardner is not overly passive…his game plan is to work the poitchers deep in counts. He does quite well on full counts.
Also, he is a very intelligent hitter who improves yearly by hard work. Long has called him one of the smartest hitters on the team.
He is actually an ideal lead off hitter who should be hitting 1st in the Yankee line-up.
And if you doubt his power when healthy, let me remind you
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......id=9606283
GB7
Thanks for clearing it up. I was wondering why you said one gets paid more, if it was basically the same job.
Talent Evaluators are like super scouts…….I wonder if Giradi is going to have Colon pitch early BP to Alex’s group…..That would be a tough fate ….
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......id=7789359
If Gardner’s wrists hold up, I expect him to hit about 10 homers next year.
Bojo,
Gardner’s SLG was .379, his ISO was .103. Gardner has power?
SAS,
He just seems like a really down to earth guy. He was wearing his spiky hair and bandana wig, talking to everyone, taking pictures with anyone who came up to him. He was just sociable and having fun with everyone. At around 8 the owners at Foley’s asked him if he wanted to stop, but he said, No way, I’m under contract until 9:05! After 9 he went around to all the people and tables shook hands, talked, etc.
Unfortunately, he didn’t say anything of interest that I heard. He seemed to try to avoid as many baseball questions as possible and just wanted to talk about normal stuff. At one point he made a toast to finding starting pitching though
Gardner would make the most of his assets if he would learn how to bunt properly.He is perfectly suited to hitting ninth.Leadoff is a little beyond his grasp IMO because he’s a limited offensive player.
Me: Hey bartender, where te he11 is my drink????
Cashman: Patience. It’s a process.
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I think Cashman is a pretty bad bartender though. I asked for a Sam Adams Winter Lager and I am pretty sure he just gave me a regular Sam Adams
tyanksfan36 January 26th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
So, is Tampa (A+) farm team still playing in Tampa in 2011? I am still unclear on these recent developments.
KPB, that’s just my opinion on that subject. Pat, SJ ad Randy could probably answer it a little better than any of the others on here.
IIRC, Cashman lives in Darien, CT with a wife and 2 kids.
Winter Lager ???
Cashman wanted 3 kids, but is still searching the waiver wires until the right one appears.
Yankeefem
Yes the Tampa Yankees will be in Tampa in 2011. I didn’t get the latest update on their moving situation but as far as I know there is no stadium for them elsewhere, it will have to be built unless they get picked up by Disney and the wide world of sports takes them in which is unlikely. I’m hoping its not ever or at least not for a few years if they do move but they Will be in Tampa in 2011. I got Season Tickets so they better be.
Did anyone watch that short clip of Kurt Suzuki. Jumping from the four foot end of the pool UP to the concrete walkway around the pool.
tyanksfan36 January 26th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
Yankeefem
Yes the Tampa Yankees will be in Tampa in 2011. I didn’t get the latest update on their moving situation but as far as I know there is no stadium for them elsewhere, it will have to be built unless they get picked up by Disney and the wide world of sports takes them in which is unlikely. I’m hoping its not ever or at least not for a few years if they do move but they Will be in Tampa in 2011. I got Season Tickets so they better be.
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Good to hear! Then you can keep me up to date on how Ramirez’s curveball is progressing, and how many pitches and how well Brett Marshall is throwing. I already have April 14th penciled in for Trenton’s OD. I am very curious to see if Betances will get the home opener.
LGY,
Thanks. Sounds like a fun evening.
# BoJo January 26th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
Cashman wanted 3 kids, but is still searching the waiver wires until the right one appears.
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I forgot who the person was but they weren’t kidding about the night crowd on Lohud lol.
LGY,
Did the Cashman bartending event draw well? How is the snow scene in midtown?
YankeeFem,
They built a new stadium for the Diamondbacks and another team in less than a year. It didn’t look like the extra fields were finished yet, but there will be no teams in Tuscon anymore.
“Did anyone watch that short clip of Kurt Suzuki. Jumping from the four foot end of the pool UP to the concrete walkway around the pool.”
The A’s would be better iff with Cody Ransom catching.
I did see it. Very impressive especially with the extra degree of difficulty doing it in a pool instead of on dry land.
LGY,
Did you meet Chad?
GB & his Brooks Brothers Suits ….Love it
yankeefeminista January 26th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Bojo,
Gardner’s SLG was .379, his ISO was .103. Gardner has power?
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Yes–when his wrists are healthy…Gardner has surprising power…check out the distance on those 2 video homers…he has a really sweet swing when he wants ot go deep
Gardner would make the most of his assets if he would learn how to bunt properly.He is perfectly suited to hitting ninth.Leadoff is a little beyond his grasp IMO because he’s a limited offensive player.
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Uh, why is it ‘beyond his grasp’? He gets on base, see’s a ton of pitches, steals, and is perfectly capable of taking a pitcher deep. Hitting him 9th is a waste of his abilities. you deprive him of plate appearances and of scoring opportunities for the better hitters.
He excels at leading off and starting innings.
He was in the top 13 for bunt hits last year. You might think he should bunt for a hit MORE, but remember that every time he tries to bunt for a hit it is removing another possibility from the table as well as 2+ pitches he’d have seen if he didn’t waste the AB in the first 2 pitches on bunt attempts.
GB7
I heard about that but haven’t seen it. Thise asians can do some crazy stuff. I knew a guy who could hop one of those barriers in front of the walmart entrances without a running start, just flat footed jump over it. Crazy
SAS January 26th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
YankeeFem,
They built a new stadium for the Diamondbacks and another team in less than a year. It didn’t look like the extra fields were finished yet, but there will be no teams in Tuscon anymore.
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Isn’t there supposed to be a new AAA Dbacks affiliate in Tucson? Do you get to any games?
Belated Happy Anniversary, btw!
yankeefem,
It was jam packed around the bar, but not too bad around the tables in the back. It was a good amount of people, but I think the snow and that it is a Wednesday night kept some people away.
I got there when Cashman was doing interviews for some of the TV crews so I may have missed him saying something interesting. I think SNY was interviewing him when I got there.
Another Tampa pitcher to keep an eye on is Josh Romanski. Something about him is worth watching. He’s just leaning how to pitch in the pros. Doesn’t appear impressive until you look at the scoreboard and stats. All good pitches but nothing GREAT, yet. Maybe the Yankees got a steal from Milwaukee.
J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Gardner would make the most of his assets if he would learn how to bunt properly.He is perfectly suited to hitting ninth.Leadoff is a little beyond his grasp IMO because he’s a limited offensive player.
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Our 2nd point of disagreement. Aside from bunting (which I think he will get), he is a patient hitter who works walks, can slap ball to all fields and pull it with power when he has the pitcher figured out. He hits both LHPers and RHPers…he steals at an insane success rate, and can steal more. He is a run-scoring machine.
What is limited?
pat January 26th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
“Did anyone watch that short clip of Kurt Suzuki. Jumping from the four foot end of the pool UP to the concrete walkway around the pool.”
The A’s would be better iff with Cody Ransom catching.
I did see it. Very impressive especially with the extra degree of difficulty doing it in a pool instead of on dry land.
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LMAO. Not one of Pete’s better moments.
Yankeefem
I’m going to try to make it to opening day in Tampa, if not ill probably go the the opening day of whoever they play on the first day of the season. I think its either dunedin or lakeland so ill be able to go, might have to fake sick but I’m sure it will be worth it. The Thunder give away bobble heads, how lucky are you all, Tampa doesn’t give anyhing cool like that away, they haven’t even made championships shirts from when they won the FSL again in 2010
Pat M., my thanks to you for giving me that line the other night.
SAS,
I saw Chad there but I didn’t talk to him. He was a pretty popular guy there so he stayed busy.
I was with someone who doesn’t share my lohud hobby so I didn’t want to be the weirdo who said we have to go talk to my blogman Chad!
. I crossed paths with Jack Curry. He is really nice. Big guy. Taller than he looks on TV.
Uh, why is it ‘beyond his grasp’? He gets on base, see’s a ton of pitches, steals, and is perfectly capable of taking a pitcher deep. Hitting him 9th is a waste of his abilities. you deprive him of plate appearances and of scoring opportunities for the better hitters.
He excels at leading off and starting innings.
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Jeter,when healthy,is a foregone conclusion to be the yankees’ leadoff hitter.I want Jeter to have more at bats than Brett Gardner.I think batting ninth is the best use of Gardner’s abilities.there’s less pressure & Jeter for protection,esp if we get 2009 Jeter.
GB
Romanski is already on my radar from his few starts at the end of last season. He pitched excellent at the game I saw him start at Dunedin, he just got some awful luck and horrible calls from the umps and lost, but he held them off through 4 innings I think but with the bad calls things didn’t go right. I’m looking forward to seeing him again. I think if he stays healthy he will have a breakout year.
I’m late to the party but the only reason I don’t like the Colon signing is if it means the Yankees feel like they’re pretty much all set and don’t make a serious attempt to add Duchsherer.
If Colon gives them 10-12 starts at 4.75 ERA quality, it’s a good signing. If he doesn’t do anything, it’s no big deal.
But if the opportunity cost of Colon means no Duchsherer, it’s a big deal, IMO.
Hard to complain, and I’m not, but I sure hope they don’t stop here. Add another arm and make it a true competition for the 4th and 5th spots (if Andy doesn’t sign.)
GB….I’m very certain you clean up quite well…..Face, bunting and base stealing are two areas that Gardner good even be better at….I think that is what was being conveyed
JAP
Here is the lineup I would LOVE to see
LF Gardner
2B Cano
SS Jeter
3B ARod
1B Tex
DH Montero/Posada
RF Swisher
CF Granderson
C Martin
I recall Girardi saying he would be much more open about line up experiments this ST. We’ll see.
BoJo January 26th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Gardner would make the most of his assets if he would learn how to bunt properly.He is perfectly suited to hitting ninth.Leadoff is a little beyond his grasp IMO because he’s a limited offensive player.
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Our 2nd point of disagreement. Aside from bunting (which I think he will get), he is a patient hitter who works walks, can slap ball to all fields and pull it with power when he has the pitcher figured out. He hits both LHPers and RHPers…he steals at an insane success rate, and can steal more. He is a run-scoring machine.
What is limited?
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meh,he’s just not a very instinctive hitter.I’m happy when he hits the ball on the ground cos his legs can outrun throws over to first.yea he’s patient & has a nice sense of the strike zone but part of that patience seems to come from a real reluctance to swing.that’s why bunting more could really lift his game.drag bunts for hits I haven’t even seen from him.I also worry his on base will suffer if he doesn’t keep pitchers honest more by not standing there and watching fastballs down the middle of the plate.I like what he brings to the nine spot but watched him be woefully miscast batting 2nd at times last yr.he’s no going to supplant jeter as leadoff if jeter is healthy.
Bojo, I don’t think so – I don’t think he wanted to come here at all and I think he genuinely loved Philly
Pat M. January 26th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Face, bunting and base stealing are two areas that Gardner good even be better at
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Aren’t those 3 areas?
Jeter,when healthy,is a foregone conclusion to be the yankees’ leadoff hitter.I want Jeter to have more at bats than Brett Gardner.I think batting ninth is the best use of Gardner’s abilities.there’s less pressure & Jeter for protection,esp if we get 2009 Jeter.
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Gardner doesn’t require protectionn.
Gardner as first batter of game: .425 .521 .450 .971
Gardner as first batter of inning: .291 .392 .391 .783
1st hitter: .290 .412 .376 .789 (2010) .279 .364 .374 .737 (career)
2nd hitter: .260 .313 .351 .664 (2010) .268 .324 .423 .746 (career)
8th hitter: .301 .404 .432 .835 career
9th hitter: .238 .331 .311 .642 career
Got lazy here, but Gardner hits better 1st or anywhere else but 2nd or 9th.
he should lead off vs righties
BD……Signing The Duke is a nice save for the offseason and gives the club a breather in the depth chart for now…..
I still don’t agree that Phil had it in the bag all along……..and I remember that Philly game. He showed a good change in that game……..The Yankees made a big to do about his change up for some reason – seems like they had Phil waste his entire off-season on a change
I also worry his on base will suffer if he doesn’t keep pitchers honest more by not standing there and watching fastballs down the middle of the plate
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He obviously has an elite knowledge of the zone, has no trouble fouling pitches off, if pitchers were going to stop him by just throwing strikes it would have happened already. And its not like pitchers are TRYING to throw him balls anyways.
Bojo, Phil and Joba pitched about the same overall, I think – I can’t say that either one of them outpitched the other.
JAP–
I agree the #2 hole was a poor fit, but his career stats don’t lie. He is a force when leading off an inning.
I think people also mistake his patience and hitting plan for weakness because we haven’;t seen a hitter so good at hitting behind in count or in full count since Boggs. This guy is extremely confident that he can make contact when he has too, and works the pitcher better than anyone in the game.
Great tennis being played right now on ESPN
Bedtime…good night all.
tyanksfan36 January 26th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Yankeefem
I’m going to try to make it to opening day in Tampa, if not ill probably go the the opening day of whoever they play on the first day of the season. I think its either dunedin or lakeland so ill be able to go, might have to fake sick but I’m sure it will be worth it. The Thunder give away bobble heads, how lucky are you all, Tampa doesn’t give anyhing cool like that away, they haven’t even made championships shirts from when they won the FSL again in 2010
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The only trouble with the Trenton bobbleheads are they always seem to give them away when I have Yankee home games. However, I fluked into getting a Cano and a Melky one at games I attended a couple of years ago. Only trouble with the Cano one is that they have him batting righty. Pretty big oversight.
Anyway, if you want a certain bobblehead once promotional sched is up, let me know and if I attend, I will try to get you one.
Face, bunting and base stealing are two areas that Gardner good even be better at
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Could be better, but he is already very good at them. Well stealing anyways. It is revisionist history to suggest he doesn’t steal, since I have gone to great lengths to show he steals as much as any base stealer in the league including Carl Crawford. And it will come with experience. He is already in the top 5 of base stealers after only his 1st full season as a starter.
Don’t agree …Shocking
BD, the Yankees don’t appear to be interested as they neglected to show up for Deutscherer’s recent workout. This makes no sense to me given Cashmans’ comments……..he’s scouring around for pitching, but didn’t show up to the workout of the best available arm?
Have a good night, Bojo.
I don’t think bunting is a necessity because it could diminish his overall skill set. He had 7 bunt hits last year, which put him 13th out of all players. When should he attempt to bunt hit? Because if he starts making attempts to bunt for a hit at an increased rate it will impact all of his results, its not like he can simply replace outs he made with bunt hits. It will replace his extra base hits, walks, hits, etc.
LGY,
Sounds right to me. Thanks.
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YankeeFem,
Thank you. I am not sure where the AAA Diamondbacks play. I doubt they play in an open stadium in Tuscon. It’s a tad hot here and there in the summer. Their new stadium for ST really looks good. Unfortunately, it is on our way to and from activities so I hope the traffic won’t be too bad.
Thanks, we had a very nice anniversary.
Gardner doesn’t require protectionn.
Gardner as first batter of game: .425 .521 .450 .971
Gardner as first batter of inning: .291 .392 .391 .783
1st hitter: .290 .412 .376 .789 (2010) .279 .364 .374 .737 (career)
2nd hitter: .260 .313 .351 .664 (2010) .268 .324 .423 .746 (career)
8th hitter: .301 .404 .432 .835 career
9th hitter: .238 .331 .311 .642 career
Got lazy here, but Gardner hits better 1st or anywhere else but 2nd or 9th.
he should lead off vs righties
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yeah they’re not going to platoon a healthy Derek Jeter so Gardner can lead off against righties. these are nice numbers but SSS.
A realistic bunt hit % is 50% or less. Hitters with more than 50 career bunt hits , the highest is ichiro at 50.9% success. Wily Taveras has 130 @ 46.3%, Corey Patterson has 90 @ 40%
# Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
BD, the Yankees don’t appear to be interested as they neglected to show up for Deutscherer’s recent workout. This makes no sense to me given Cashmans’ comments……..he’s scouring around for pitching, but didn’t show up to the workout of the best available arm?
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That is telling based on the age and weight of Colon that Justin doesn’t even get a look
yeah they’re not going to platoon a healthy Derek Jeter so Gardner can lead off against righties.
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If Jeter is healthy and effective he should bat second, the yankees don’t have a slam dunk 2nd hole hitter anyways.
BoJo January 26th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
JAP–
I agree the #2 hole was a poor fit, but his career stats don’t lie. He is a force when leading off an inning.
I think people also mistake his patience and hitting plan for weakness because we haven’;t seen a hitter so good at hitting behind in count or in full count since Boggs. This guy is extremely confident that he can make contact when he has too, and works the pitcher better than anyone in the game.
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yea I’m not one of those people who mistake his patience and “plan” for weakness.We had a pretty superb hitter who excelled when he was behind & in full counts in Bobby Abreu, for starters.Gardner has good contact rates but he also can’t get around on certain pitches he fouls off & that’s fine because he stays alive & helps add to the pitch count. I have to take issue that it isn’t reluctance to swing.Maybe he will grow out of this & he’ll have to in order to maintain his high OBP.I think he was very good at times last yr at making what he has in his arsenal work for him.
tyanksfan36 January 26th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
GB
Romanski is already on my radar from his few starts at the end of last season. He pitched excellent at the game I saw him start at Dunedin, he just got some awful luck and horrible calls from the umps and lost, but he held them off through 4 innings I think but with the bad calls things didn’t go right. I’m looking forward to seeing him again. I think if he stays healthy he will have a breakout year.
Odds…..I was under the impression that Duke was going around and having several private workouts for certain clubs, and I thought The Yanks were getting a date for his workout for them…..
SAS January 26th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
LGY,
Sounds right to me. Thanks.
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YankeeFem,
Thank you. I am not sure where the AAA Diamondbacks play. I doubt they play in an open stadium in Tuscon. It’s a tad hot here and there in the summer. Their new stadium for ST really looks good. Unfortunately, it is on our way to and from activities so I hope the traffic won’t be too bad.
Thanks, we had a very nice anniversary.
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Very glad to hear it.
Actually, I just looked it up and it’s is the Padres AAA team that is playing in Tucson in 2011. Is that the Stadium you mean that will affect traffic? Here’s a link.
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.....8;sid=t549
I just saw the interview Cash gave at the bar in the news. He basically quashed the Jeter OF thing and the “rumors” that he is unhappy and wants to leave.
Just said Jeter is so athletic he could play anywhere IF or OF but we signed him to be our SS and there is no talk of moving him.
WHen is the Brian Cashman Reality Show coming out?
Thanks for the info, LGY.
Do you know many inches of snow have fallen in the City? I was supposed to drive in tomorrow, but I am sure parking will be a mess.
tyanksfan36 January 26th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
GB
Romanski is already on my radar from his few starts at the end of last season. He pitched excellent at the game I saw him start at Dunedin, he just got some awful luck and horrible calls from the umps and lost, but he held them off through 4 innings I think but with the bad calls things didn’t go right. I’m looking forward to seeing him again. I think if he stays healthy he will have a breakout year.
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Ramirez, Romanski, Perez and Marshall should make a good front 4 in the Tampa rotation. Hopefully, Bryan Mitchell can join them by mid season.
J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
WHen is the Brian Cashman Reality Show coming out?
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LOL. It is obviously in previews.
@ Pat well if that’s the case than that means they are are still interested in him.
Against the Odds, hopefully I’m wrong………….Deutscher continues to say that he’d have no problems in NY, so maybe the Yankees aren’t as disinterested as it appears. If they were, why would he keep saying this?
LGY January 26th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
I just saw the interview Cash gave at the bar in the news. He basically quashed the Jeter OF thing and the “rumors” that he is unhappy and wants to leave.
Just said Jeter is so athletic he could play anywhere IF or OF but we signed him to be our SS and there is no talk of moving him.
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lol. Lighting and putting out fires. The new bare-your-soul Brian Cashman.
Yanksfem, it’s going to end up being about 8-10 inches
Weren’t we at one time interested in Dushcherer but only out of the pen? However, he wanted to start? Not sure, but that is what I recall.
yankeefeminista January 26th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
LGY January 26th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
I just saw the interview Cash gave at the bar in the news. He basically quashed the Jeter OF thing and the “rumors” that he is unhappy and wants to leave.
Just said Jeter is so athletic he could play anywhere IF or OF but we signed him to be our SS and there is no talk of moving him.
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lol. Lighting and putting out fires. The new bare-your-soul Brian Cashman.
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i’m sort of happy for Cashman,as there seems to be some sort of soul emancipation going on.I just hope it’s not at the expense of the Yankees.
Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Yanksfem, it’s going to end up being about 8-10 inche
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Thanks, Betsy. I think I will end up staying out in the country for at least another day.
@ Betsy I guess we’ll have to wait and see what happens.
must be a bummer for commuters from LI,Ct & NJ.
Sure, Yanksfem…….. this snow is a wet, icy kind of snow; it’s going to be a mess anywhere.
J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
yankeefeminista January 26th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
LGY January 26th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
I just saw the interview Cash gave at the bar in the news. He basically quashed the Jeter OF thing and the “rumors” that he is unhappy and wants to leave.
Just said Jeter is so athletic he could play anywhere IF or OF but we signed him to be our SS and there is no talk of moving him.
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lol. Lighting and putting out fires. The new bare-your-soul Brian Cashman.
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i’m sort of happy for Cashman,as there seems to be some sort of soul emancipation going on.I just hope it’s not at the expense of the Yankees.
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You are too funny, Pruf. I called it. It was the rappeling in that little elf suit that liberated him.
Yankeefem
There was only probably an inch when I left but it was coming down really hard.
Against all Odds, yep………….we’ve waited this long, we can wait another few weeks, ol
You are too funny, Pruf. I called it. It was the rappeling in that little elf suit that liberated him.
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LMAO.The whimsy hidden under all that circumspection & restraint found expression in an elf suit.Cashman does seem like a good guy,I just can’t deal with the colossal Joba mess they’ve made.Well,I can’t go down that road again today.Too painful!
Have a good night all & safe to work & home again.
Yea this off season has been a long one but every day ST is inching closer and closer.
all of this whining about the weather in the north east is getting tiresome. What about those of us in Georgia that will be suffering in the frigid 65 degree weather again tomorrow?
I don’t agree with it, but I believe that Jeter will be hitting lead off when the season starts. That doesn’t make much sense to me with Gardner on this team, especially with Jeter’s ability to hit the other way. I also think Cano should hit 3rd, something else that won’t happen.
I’d like to see this lineup. (It alternates left and right bats including switch hitters)
Gardner-LF
Jeter-SS
Cano-2B
A-Rod-3B
Teixeira-1B
Swisher-RF
Granderson-CF
Posada-DH
Martin-C
I’m calling it a night. Take care everyone
Jeter is unlikely to be a better leadoff hitter than Gardner v. RHP.
YankeeFem,
No the new stadium is in Scottsdale off a highway called the 101 which goes around most of Phoenix. It is going to be shared, but I am not sure if the Rockies are sharing it or not. I don’t pay much attention to the Diamondbacks. We are in NY for most of the Yankee’s season. Less than we used to be, and it will be even less now as we will be AZ residents as of this year.
With the time change, it makes it hard to watch Yankee games which I miss. If we were home during the games, I might order MLB. We’ll see.
Betsy January 26th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
Sure, Yanksfem…….. this snow is a wet, icy kind of snow; it’s going to be a mess anywhere.
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Ugh. Cabin fever again unless my driveway is plowed early.
With all this snow, perhaps we will revisit that Opening Day 2003, when the home opener was postponed b/c of snow. I recall at the rescheduled game, I was wearing ski gloves and therefore couldn’t score the game. However, I did add Matsui’s grand slam to the scorecard after the fact.
Let’s just hope we don’t have a cold April with all those home games on the sched.
The only Yankee that made a mess of Joba is probably Ivan Rodriguez when he low-bridged Chamberlain.
Rich in NJ January 26th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
Jeter is unlikely to be a better leadoff hitter than Gardner v. RHP.
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Why? Because of one damned year?
# GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
The only Yankee that made a mess of Joba is probably Ivan Rodriguez when he low-bridged Chamberlain.
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So concerned with throwing out runners
GB…Pool service tomorrow….
“Why? Because of one damned year?”
No, but entering one’s age 37 year old season a very, very bad year can’t be easily discounted.
Gardner is really good at getting on base v. RHP.
If Jeter is better, fine. I don’t think he will be.
Incredible tennis match going on …Winner goes to the Finals of the Austrian Open
Why? Because of one damned year?
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In his career he has a 100 OPS point split vs RHP In 2010 it was 200 points. In 2009 it was 200 points (but the LHP performance was much greater) in 08 it was 70 points (with RHP: .300 .353 .396 .750)
Its pretty clear Jeter is better vs LHP, he is a righty after all, and since he is older, it makes sense that he would not be able to out perform a player who excels against right handed pitching.
I think moving Jeter off leadoff is very premature.
SAS January 26th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
YankeeFem,
No the new stadium is in Scottsdale off a highway called the 101 which goes around most of Phoenix. It is going to be shared, but I am not sure if the Rockies are sharing it or not. I don’t pay much attention to the Diamondbacks. We are in NY for most of the Yankee’s season. Less than we used to be, and it will be even less now as we will be AZ residents as of this year.
With the time change, it makes it hard to watch Yankee games which I miss. If we were home during the games, I might order MLB. We’ll see.
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I love having the MLB package, spying on Rays and Red Sox, as well as watching other games when I get the chance.
I have a friend who lives in AZ. However, I have never visited him out there. It must be tough following the Yanks with the time difference. When I was a little kid, we left NY and lived in Hawaii for a few years. This was before mlb packages existed, and although we loved living in Hawaii, we were all so homesick for the Yankees, among other things.
Jerkface January 27th, 2011 at 12:06 am
Why? Because of one damned year?
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In his career he has a 100 OPS point split vs RHP In 2010 it was 200 points. In 2009 it was 200 points (but the LHP performance was much greater) in 08 it was 70 points (with RHP: .300 .353 .396 .750)
Its pretty clear Jeter is better vs LHP, he is a righty after all, and since he is older, it makes sense that he would not be able to out perform a player who excels against right handed pitching.
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Jeter’s OBP vs. righties 3 of the past 4 years is .381 or higher vs. righties.
If Jeter hits like last year again, I’d lead off Gardner vs rhp and Jeter vs lhp, and both hit at or near the bottom of the lineup otherwise. Jeter still hit lhp very well last year despite the down year overall. .321/.391/.481
Jeter’s OBP vs. righties 3 of the past 4 years is .381 or higher vs. righties.
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2 out of the last 4, and of course you have to go back 4 years because its really 2 out of the last 3 it was worse…
2010: .246 .315 .317 .632
2009: .311 .381 .435 .817
2008: .300 .353 .396 .750
2007: .324 .382 .448 .830
YankeeFem,
If you get the chance, visit AZ. It is so different that the lush landscape we are used to. Try to stay in the desert, in other words not in Phoenix proper. The desert is beautiful especially when it is in bloom in March, April, May and maybe later, but it gets crispy here in the summer. The Northern part of AZ is entirely different in the mountains. Sedona is magnificent with its red rocks and the Oak Creek Canyon which are right next to each other.
MTU lives in a fabulous part of Utah. I haven’t been there, but the pictures are spectacular.
If Jeter rebounds vs righties next year it makes sense to bat Gardner and Jeter 1-2 because then it makes the bottom of the yankee lineup immune to situational pitchers.
If Jeter doesn’t then I’d bat him lower vs righties.
2008 was an anomaly. Jeter was hurt. We don’t yet know what the cause of his atypical #’s in 2010 were.
YankeeFem,
I get MLB just not the Yankee package.
SAS January 27th, 2011 at 12:21 am
YankeeFem,
If you get the chance, visit AZ. It is so different that the lush landscape we are used to. Try to stay in the desert, in other words not in Phoenix proper. The desert is beautiful especially when it is in bloom in March, April, May and maybe later, but it gets crispy here in the summer. The Northern part of AZ is entirely different in the mountains. Sedona is magnificent with its red rocks and the Oak Creek Canyon which are right next to each other.
MTU lives in a fabulous part of Utah. I haven’t been there, but the pictures are spectacular.
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It sounds utterly beautiful. Thanks for the recommendations.
Rich in NJ January 26th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
Jeter is unlikely to be a better leadoff hitter than Gardner v. RHP.
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He had one injury-riddled, historically bad season & one mediocre OBP yr.
Jeter vs. righthanded pitching:
Career: .307 .377 .437 .814
2010: .246 .315 .317 .632
2009: .311 .381 .435 .817
2008: .300 .353 .396 .750
2007: .324 .382 .448 .830
2006: .328 .403 .459 .862
2005: .306 .392 .423 .815
yankeefeminista January 27th, 2011 at 12:23 am
2008 was an anomaly. Jeter was hurt. We don’t yet know what the cause of his atypical #’s in 2010 were.
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clearly hurt.
Pat M. January 27th, 2011 at 12:02 am
GB…Pool service tomorrow….
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LMAO. That’s even more cruel than me bragging about the temps here. Just my luck, they’d send the newly trained Nurse Karloff to the house. GAWD…just had an image of her in a bikini top. 36 longs.
SAS January 27th, 2011 at 12:23 am
YankeeFem,
I get MLB just not the Yankee package.
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Is it separate? Wouldn’t it be included in the mlb package?
J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2011 at 12:27 am
yankeefeminista January 27th, 2011 at 12:23 am
2008 was an anomaly. Jeter was hurt. We don’t yet know what the cause of his atypical #’s in 2010 were.
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clearly hurt.
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Very likely.
Oak Creek Cayon……I think I played golf there…Sedona one the best places on earth….Vortex and Red Rock, Bell Rock
GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
The only Yankee that made a mess of Joba is probably Ivan Rodriguez when he low-bridged Chamberlain.
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BS.they effed with him in 2009 with those idiotic stints.They created a phony competition & made a fool of the kid. Now the stupid GM is calling him pedestrian. Trade him so he can go somewhere and start like he’s supposed to. I don’t want to hear this yankee front office koolaid any effing more.
And what about Jeters age and propensity to get beaned on the wrist makes you think he will be immune to injury in 2011?
jacksquat January 27th, 2011 at 12:17 am
If Jeter hits like last year again, I’d lead off Gardner vs rhp and Jeter vs lhp, and both hit at or near the bottom of the lineup otherwise. Jeter still hit lhp very well last year despite the down year overall. .321/.391/.481
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And how likely is it that Derek jeter, given his career numbers against righthanders,is going to duplicate that pitiful season?This is a non-issue.
He had one injury-riddled, historically bad season & one mediocre OBP yr.
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Which year is injury riddled and which is the mediocre one? Jeter had no power in 2008 but managed to hit, and didn’t have a great on base vs righties. It probably had to do with the wrist injury he sustained.
2010 he just sucked? Or was it injury? And if so why are we like “yea jeter is invincible, even though he got hurt 2 out of the last 3 years doing normal jeter stuff he won’t get hurt this year!”
And how likely is it that Derek jeter, given his career numbers against righthanders,
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Well he is older, so his chances of duplicating seasons from his prime are a lot slimmer than him actually getting worse.
If his numbers against righties suck like last yr,which I seriously doubt,then the topic of leadoff would have some legs.
Jerkface January 27th, 2011 at 12:39 am
And what about Jeters age and propensity to get beaned on the wrist makes you think he will be immune to injury in 2011?
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He was immune in 2009 and all the other years he got hit on the wrist. Why presume anything unless he gets hurt? He certainly has had very good lead-off numbers and your theory that he doesn’t in general get on base vs. righties is frankly not supported by the numbers. What’s the big hurry?
which I seriously doubt
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I don’t seriously doubt it, given how beat he looked against RHP. The heat maps and analysis of how he was faring vs RHP were staggering in their conclusions. We’ll see, I hope Jeter is better, .300/.380/.430 would be nice. Not sure how that is going to happen if he doesn’t decrease his ground ball rate and figure out why he was getting beat on fastballs and sliders from RHP.
Jerkface January 27th, 2011 at 12:42 am
And how likely is it that Derek jeter, given his career numbers against righthanders,
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Well he is older, so his chances of duplicating seasons from his prime are a lot slimmer than him actually getting worse.
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the guy has been excellent against RHP his whole career.you seem to be almost hoping he repeats 2010 so you can get your boy in there.if he doesn’t produce,sure,they’d have to make a change but I wouldn’t count on him sucking again, considering his career numbers.
Jerkface January 27th, 2011 at 12:41 am
He had one injury-riddled, historically bad season & one mediocre OBP yr.
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Which year is injury riddled and which is the mediocre one? Jeter had no power in 2008 but managed to hit, and didn’t have a great on base vs righties. It probably had to do with the wrist injury he sustained.
2010 he just sucked? Or was it injury? And if so why are we like “yea jeter is invincible, even though he got hurt 2 out of the last 3 years doing normal jeter stuff he won’t get hurt this year!”
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This is just silly until he *does* get hurt. You seem to almost wish ill will upon him. & what if Gardner’s wrist doesn’t heal? Why put him in the one-spot until we know who is healthy and who is getting on base. So, why don’t we just see how it plays out instead of jumping the gun.
This is just silly until he *does* get hurt. You seem to almost wish ill will upon him. & what if Gardner’s wrist doesn’t heal? Why put him in the one-spot until we know who is healthy and who is getting on base. So, why don’t we just see how it plays out instead of jumping the gun.
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POINT.
your theory that he doesn’t in general get on base vs. righties is frankly not supported by the numbers. What’s the big hurry?
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Uh 2 of the last 3 years he was worse than what Gardner could be reasonably expected to put up vs RHB. It is clearly supported by the numbers.
You guys are choosing to designate some numbers as ‘injury numbers’ or ‘fluke numbers’ and throwing them out. That doesn’t mean they don’t support my position. If jeter was not impeded vs RHP in other years in which he hit his wrist, why would you throw out numbers where he did hit his wrist or whatever and sucked? Isn’t it more likely he just was bad? Since in other years he was fine even with injury?
Look at Jeter’s numbers vs RHP, he gets on base less, and he has far less power. I would theorize that if he started slipping at all, it would all come tumbling down because he already isn’t hitting RHP with authority.
This is just silly until he *does* get hurt. You seem to almost wish ill will upon him. & what if Gardner’s wrist doesn’t heal? Why put him in the one-spot until we know who is healthy and who is getting on base. So, why don’t we just see how it plays out instead of jumping the gun.
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We’ll find out in Spring if Gardner is healthy or not, and we’ll get to see how Jeter is doing vs RHP. I like Jeter vs LHP and Gardner vs RHP to start the season.
The problem with waiting until injury is that once Jeter is entrenched at leadoff he never leaves.
So no, I am not wishing injury on jeter, just think its silly to handwave 2 out of the last 3 years for injury and think a 37 year old SS who gets hit by pitches on the wrist every year to avoid it.
I’d rather Gardner already be batting vs RHP so that if a Jeter injury does occur it doesn’t sap the lineup. And if an Injury only hampers Jeter vs RHP, that implies he is perilously close to losing it vs them anyways since he was fine vs LHP in all them years.
Until Brett continues to get on in a larger sample size, why are we disregarding Jeter’s success as a lead-off hitter? Further, how do you know Brett can even hit after *his* wrist injury? Are you actually making sense to yourself? Add into this that Brett had a miserable second half and was abominable in the playoffs, wrist or no wrist. Why would Gardner lead off unless Jeter shows that he cannot?
J. Alfred Prufrock
That Jeter was so bad in 2010 may indicate that his 2008 season was not due to injuries.
Before that, his stats mean very little given his age.
We’ll find out in Spring if Gardner is healthy or not, and we’ll get to see how Jeter is doing vs RHP. I like Jeter vs LHP and Gardner vs RHP to start the season.
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sure but recognize it as your fantasy & not something that Girardi would be inclined to do. Jeter would have to really, really suck for them to do something like this.
If Gardner had 700 PA’s last year he’d have had 36 more hits and 30 more walks. Can’t keep batting him 9th.
Add into this that Brett had a miserable second half and was abominable in the playoffs
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He got on base better than Jeter in the second half.
sure but recognize it as your fantasy & not something that Girardi would be inclined to do.
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K Long and Girardi have already said the lineup isn’t determined yet and they are prepared to do drastic things
Jerkface January 27th, 2011 at 12:55 am
So no, I am not wishing injury on jeter, just think its silly to handwave 2 out of the last 3 years for injury and think a 37 year old SS who gets hit by pitches on the wrist every year to avoid it.
I’d rather Gardner already be batting vs RHP so that if a Jeter injury does occur it doesn’t sap the lineup. And if an Injury only hampers Jeter vs RHP, that implies he is perilously close to losing it vs them anyways since he was fine vs LHP in all them years.
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Why would we make a move to circumvent a Jeter injury that hasn’t and may never happen? If it does happen, then there is Brett-boy to take over. Assuming Brett isn’t the second half batter who was frankly pretty bad. I just don’t understand this logic.
This is why you can’t argue against Jeter on here, its fantasy and crazy to suggest Jeter not bat leadoff vs RHP.
Nothing will ever stop me from relying on facts.
Rich in NJ January 27th, 2011 at 12:56 am
J. Alfred Prufrock
That Jeter was so bad in 2010 may indicate that his 2008 season was not due to injuries.
Before that, his stats mean very little given his age.
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Now the 2008 Jeter injury that we all know about has become a phantom injury?
Why would we make a move to circumvent a Jeter injury that hasn’t and may never happen? If it does happen, then there is Brett-boy to take over.
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If Jeter is batting leadoff he won’t get moved. Why wasn’t he moved off of leadoff in 2010?
Jeter bats the same hitting 1st or 2nd, just make him the 2 hole hitter and bat Gardner leadoff. Gardner is a better leadoff hitter anyways, he see’s more pitches and fouls off more pitches and will still more than Jeter and maybe he’ll beat out some of those DPs.
Charlie Louvin RIP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUhYckHoTxM
Face….Gardner leads off Derek hits in the 2 hole……
Rich in NJ January 27th, 2011 at 12:56 am
J. Alfred Prufrock
That Jeter was so bad in 2010 may indicate that his 2008 season was not due to injuries.
Before that, his stats mean very little given his age.
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except he was hurting in 2008. I see these guys all the time & you can tell if a guy’s not planting well or favoring a leg, throwing way offline, even the way he ejects the ball.these things are obvious.the point is Gardner is not going to replace Jeter without Jeter falling off the horse.
“Now the 2008 Jeter injury that we all know about has become a phantom injury?”
We know how much of an effect he had and for how long?
Jeter sucked v. RHP last season. That’s a fact, not an opinion.
He has to quickly prove that it wasn’t representative of what he currently is.
Jerkface January 27th, 2011 at 1:00 am
This is why you can’t argue against Jeter on here, its fantasy and crazy to suggest Jeter not bat leadoff vs RHP.
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right,because we made up his career numbers against RHP.
“right,because we made up his career numbers against RHP.”
He’s going to be 37. Most of his career likely reveals very little about what he has left going forward.
Jerkface January 27th, 2011 at 1:00 am
This is why you can’t argue against Jeter on here, its fantasy and crazy to suggest Jeter not bat leadoff vs RHP.
Rich in NJ January 27th, 2011 at 1:00 am
Nothing will ever stop me from relying on facts.
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It has nothing to do about arguing against Jeter. You have so misconstrued the discussion to your purposes. The player had a solid year as recently as 2009. If he doesn’t perform than Gardner can lead off? Why would we assume he can’t perform until he doesn’t perform?
As for relying on facts, Jerkface’s facts are that Jeter has never hit righties well. But that is just not true. As for the 2008 injury, we all know it was an injury, fully documented ad nauseam. Once this season plays out, we will see if Jeter’s 2010 was a result of decline or injury. Until then, why would we change things? We have no idea how Gardner will come back from his wrist surgery? Is my discussion based on fantasy? Or are you just throwing out that term because you disagree? I have given you the numbers, and you are hopefully better than prescribing an emotional component to someone’s argument, Jerkface. I am all for letting the season play out and reacting based on what the season dictates, whereas you are leaping ahead to a conclusion you want but just cannot draw yet.
Is anyone arguing against letting the season play out?
How would we stop it?
Rich in NJ January 27th, 2011 at 1:05 am
“Now the 2008 Jeter injury that we all know about has become a phantom injury?”
We know how much of an effect he had and for how long?
Jeter sucked v. RHP last season. That’s a fact, not an opinion.
He has to quickly prove that it wasn’t representative of what he currently is.
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And AJ Burnett sucked last year as an SP, so why don’t we put him in the bullpen? I just don’t see the logic of your argument, taking a single year which we don’t know what the cause of it was, and drawing a conclusion until we see how the two players in question perform. Especially considering Gardner is coming off surgery and to use your language “sucked” in the second half and the playoffs.
Rich in NJ…..If Derek has a good first week in the box and Giradi inserts him in the leadoff spot as the exhibition games start then I think Gardner will be hitting 9th with either Granderson or Swisher ( maybe ) hitting 2nd……..I think Derek will go into camp as the leadoff leading candidate….I rather Brett hit in the 1 spot with Derek following him
“It has nothing to do about arguing against Jeter. You have so misconstrued the discussion to your purposes. The player had a solid year as recently as 2009. If he doesn’t perform than Gardner can lead off? Why would we assume he can’t perform until he doesn’t perform?”
Viewed in the context of his last three seasons, 2009 would appear to be an outlier.
Jeter’s age, LD%, GB% and splits tell us that he has probably lost some bat speed v. RHP.
” As for the 2008 injury, we all know it was an injury, fully documented ad nauseam. Once this season plays out, we will see if Jeter’s 2010 was a result of decline or injury. Until then, why would we change things? We have no idea how Gardner will come back from his wrist surgery?
An injury was documented, it’s effect and the duration are not.
I agree that both Jeter and Gardner have something to prove, but their most reasons seasons are likely to offer the most insight on what each will be in 2011.
Jerkface’s facts are that Jeter has never hit righties well.
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Uh did I say this? No, I said he has a 100 point OPS split in his career vs them. And more recently it was 200 point split.
Jerkface January 27th, 2011 at 1:02 am
Jeter bats the same hitting 1st or 2nd, just make him the 2 hole hitter and bat Gardner leadoff. Gardner is a better leadoff hitter anyways, he see’s more pitches and fouls off more pitches and will still more than Jeter and maybe he’ll beat out some of those DPs.
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That makes sense. Put Jeter in the 2-hole when we know he grounds into DP’s. Got it.
You can’t let the season play out because once Jeter is hitting leadoff he won’t get moved off until the next season.
yankeefeminista makes a very compelling argument
That makes sense. Put Jeter in the 2-hole when we know he grounds into DP’s. Got it.
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lmao, ok but batting gardner 9th where he is going to be on base 38% … FOR JETER after the first inning won’t result in DPs? The goal is to get Gardner more At bats because he is literally like the 2nd-3rd (depending) best yankee at not making outs.
No, we must let the season play out.
Pat M.
Girardi will have a very tough job over the next few seasons as several iconic players likely reach the twilight of their careers. We can only hope that he remains reality-based and won’t let sentiment guide his decisions.
Jeter managed to ground into 22 double plays just fine batting 1st.
Yeah, Jeter will hit into DPs no matter where he bats.
Pat M.
I am glad you loved Sedona as much as I do.
Jerkface January 27th, 2011 at 1:15 am
You can’t let the season play out because once Jeter is hitting leadoff he won’t get moved off until the next season.
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How do you figure? Play out, means see how it goes from the start, and make changes if need be. Jeter got moved for Damon. Girardi isn’t shy or stupid. If Jeter batting lead-off were hurting the team, we would move him.
“And AJ Burnett sucked last year as an SP, so why don’t we put him in the bullpen?”
I would do that, but his contract negates that option. Plus, they are really thin in the rotation, right?
“I just don’t see the logic of your argument, taking a single year which we don’t know what the cause of it was, and drawing a conclusion until we see how the two players in question perform. Especially considering Gardner is coming off surgery and to use your language “sucked” in the second half and the playoffs.”
Of course, you don’t, because you are deliberately misstating it.
I keep looking at two out of three years. You keep ignoring it.
*shrugs*
Rich in NJ January 27th, 2011 at 1:16 am
Pat M.
Girardi will have a very tough job over the next few seasons as several iconic players likely reach the twilight of their careers. We can only hope that he remains reality-based and won’t let sentiment guide his decisions.
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lol. Girardi is as sentimental as a a water cooler. He will have no problem moving parts if need be. Ditto, myself. If Jeter doesn’t cut it, I want him moved. However, I am not stumping for either one unlike you.
Rich in NJ…….By far this will be Derek’s most challenging season of his great career….And in some ways the same for Joe Giradi…..He could implement the change of course for Derek’s twilight years by moving him out of the top 2 spots in the order….However as camp opens he’s the leadoff hitter until he proves otherwise…..I do think that The Captain bounces back, and if Gardner proves to be healthy I rather he hit in the top spot and Granderson in the 9 hole……..
I think Girardi will be gone before the icons have all left town. That is an off the cuff prediction with absolutely credence other than a gut reaction. You are right that whoever is manager will have a tough time.
Hopefully some of the other homegrown guys will sprinkle the lineup and we can love them as much as we have the older guys. In all my years of being a fan, I have never been unhappy with the team itself…a few players yes. I also wasn’t thrilled with all the losing years in the late 60′s to the mid 90′s. I know there were a few good years then.
How do you figure? Play out, means see how it goes from the start, and make changes if need be. Jeter got moved for Damon. Girardi isn’t shy or stupid. If Jeter batting lead-off were hurting the team, we would move him.
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You can’t play out the season! Are you this dense? Damon and Jeter flip flopped positions PRE-SEASON. It was determined before Spring to do that. Jeter doesn’t get messed with mid season. Girardi isn’t shy or stupid so he doesn’t do anything to mess with Jeter as it creates a media poo storm!
hurting the team??? Jeter’s .316 OBP Vs RHP hurt the team all summer and nothing happened. Not even while Gardner was on basing .400.
As long as Jeter is Derek Jeter, he will be given the benefit of the doubt midseason to ‘work through it’. This should be obvious. Which is why it is important to establish the roles in spring training for Gardner to bat leadoff against RHP.
It is easier to move Jeter into first than it is to take him out of it.
Frankly, I don’t care where they hit as long as they score runs and play great “D”.
Pat M. January 27th, 2011 at 1:23 am
Rich in NJ…….By far this will be Derek’s most challenging season of his great career….And in some ways the same for Joe Giradi…..He could implement the change of course for Derek’s twilight years by moving him out of the top 2 spots in the order….However as camp opens he’s the leadoff hitter until he proves otherwise…..I do think that The Captain bounces back, and if Gardner proves to be healthy I rather he hit in the top spot and Granderson in the 9 hole……..
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Curtis Granderson with 30-plus HR power is going to hit ninth?I don’t think so.
Face…..If Derek is the leadoff hitter after camp breaks, he’ll get 100-125 ab’s before he gets moved…….The question is then, does Granderson hit behind him ???
You can’t play out the season! Are you this dense? Damon and Jeter flip flopped positions PRE-SEASON. It was determined before Spring to do that. Jeter doesn’t get messed with mid season. Girardi isn’t shy or stupid so he doesn’t do anything to mess with Jeter as it creates a media poo storm!
hurting the team??? Jeter’s .316 OBP Vs RHP hurt the team all summer and nothing happened. Not even while Gardner was on basing .400.
As long as Jeter is Derek Jeter, he will be given the benefit of the doubt midseason to ‘work through it’. This should be obvious. Which is why it is important to establish the roles in spring training for Gardner to bat leadoff against RHP.
It is easier to move Jeter into first than it is to take him out of it.
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No you are the dense one.You are conflicting two things: what YOU envision & what Girardi will actually DO. What he will NOT do is take Jeter out of the leadoff spot going into the season. Jeter gets the benefit of the doubt, of course he does.Which is why he will be the leadoff hitter.Her point, obviously, was if he falls off & they’re compelled to reconfigure they do it on the fly.They are not going to have Gardner lead off from go.That’s just not happening.
“lol. Girardi is as sentimental as a a water cooler. He will have no problem moving parts if need be. Ditto, myself. If Jeter doesn’t cut it, I want him moved. However, I am not stumping for either one unlike you.”
Right…..
If Derek is the leadoff hitter after camp breaks, he’ll get 100-125 ab’s before he gets moved
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He won’t be moved. I am so sure of that based on how the yankees have been acting. 1,3,4 don’t move for the Yankees. Its everyone else that gets switched around. I’m hoping they open it up with Tex and Jeter to move around.
If Jeter bats leadoff I put Swisher in the 2 spot. Granderson, even against RHP, just doesn’t get on base enough. He gets on base around average thanks to his good discipline, but he needs to hit more to get on base at an above average level.
Rich in NJ January 27th, 2011 at 1:21 am
“And AJ Burnett sucked last year as an SP, so why don’t we put him in the bullpen?”
I would do that, but his contract negates that option. Plus, they are really thin in the rotation, right?
“I just don’t see the logic of your argument, taking a single year which we don’t know what the cause of it was, and drawing a conclusion until we see how the two players in question perform. Especially considering Gardner is coming off surgery and to use your language “sucked” in the second half and the playoffs.”
Of course, you don’t, because you are deliberately misstating it.
I keep looking at two out of three years. You keep ignoring it.
*shrugs*
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However, Jeter was hurt in 2008. IT IS A FACT; not a fantasy. So, I am not deliberately misstating anything, which presumes I have an agenda. However, I have none. This discussion has already gone on for far too long in my estimate.
I am reading the 2008 numbers from the perspective of knowledge I have as to why those anomalous numbers were produced. If you look at the past two years, Jeter excelled in 2009, but did not in 2010. However, he did have a .376 OBP in Sept. of 2010. You are ignoring a body of work and are considering 2008 a normal year.
“Frankly, I don’t care where they hit as long as they score runs and play great “D”.”
If I said this, I would be excused of dissing Jeter.
Purfrock……If you go back to last winter here at the LoHud after Curtis arrived you’ll see endless debates about my stand on him hitting in the 2 hole rather than Nick Johnson…..The problem is that if Gardner hits leadoff the who hits 9th ???? You want a speed guy in that spot as he really serves as a 2nd leadoff hitter……Curtis is going to have a very good 2011 ….
There is no prior evidence to suggest Girardi will move Jeter off of Leadoff midseason. I’d love to see arguments presented otherwise. They don’t move Tex or Jeter when both are sucking butt.
Rich in NJ January 27th, 2011 at 1:32 am
“lol. Girardi is as sentimental as a a water cooler. He will have no problem moving parts if need be. Ditto, myself. If Jeter doesn’t cut it, I want him moved. However, I am not stumping for either one unlike you.”
Right…..
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well, you do seem somewhat obsessed with Jeter stumbling into a hole,never to be heard from again.
You want a speed guy in that spot as he really serves as a 2nd leadoff hitter
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2nd leadoff hitter thing is overrated and probably not true and definitely inefficient. Martin can hit 9th, he’ll get on base more than Granderson if healthy and can run. Put Granderson behind the meat of the order where his power will do damage.
Face…..Curtis is fast and doesn’t get doubled up….Him in the 2 hole is very good
Jerkface January 27th, 2011 at 1:32 am
If Derek is the leadoff hitter after camp breaks, he’ll get 100-125 ab’s before he gets moved
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He won’t be moved. I am so sure of that based on how the yankees have been acting. 1,3,4 don’t move for the Yankees. Its everyone else that gets switched around. I’m hoping they open it up with Tex and Jeter to move around.
If Jeter bats leadoff I put Swisher in the 2 spot. Granderson, even against RHP, just doesn’t get on base enough. He gets on base around average thanks to his good discipline, but he needs to hit more to get on base at an above average level
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What happens if Jeter is his usual .381 OBP self? Still want him moved?
“However, Jeter was hurt in 2008. IT IS A FACT; not a fantasy. So, I am not deliberately misstating anything, which presumes I have an agenda. However, I have none. This discussion has already gone on for far too long in my estimate.”
How long was he hurt? How much did it impact his stats?
“I am reading the 2008 numbers from the perspective of knowledge I have as to why those anomalous numbers were produced. If you look at the past two years, Jeter excelled in 2009, but did not in 2010. However, he did have a .376 OBP in Sept. of 2010. You are ignoring a body of work and are considering 2008 a normal year.”
His BABIP in Sept/Oct was .351.
Do you think that’s sustainable? I don’t.
Who’s ignoring what?
What happens if Jeter is his usual .381 OBP self? Still want him moved?
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If Jeter on bases .380 vs righties he should hit 2nd behind Gardner. If he doesn’t then he should hit like 8th or 9th.
Jeter in Sept/Oct
66.0 % GB
12.8 % LD
Lower than his 2010 season as a whole.
More evidence that his Sept “burst” was likely not sustainable.
Rich in NJ January 27th, 2011 at 1:33 am
“Frankly, I don’t care where they hit as long as they score runs and play great “D”.”
If I said this, I would be excused of dissing Jeter.
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Frankly, I am not into any “cult” of Jeter. If you want to diss him that is your misfortune. I have been saying all along that whoever is successful leading off should lead off. I am just not gung-ho about removing Jeter from lead-off unless I have cause.
Face…..Curtis is fast and doesn’t get doubled up….Him in the 2 hole is very good
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But he also doesn’t get on base very well, so you’re purposefully taking away RISP opportunities for Tex, Cano, and A-rod. I like Curtis down in the order because he has great power so you never know when he is gonna crank one with the hopefully close to .400 on base crew of Tex, Cano, and A-rod on the bags, and he his speed+power mean that when he does get on base it should be in scoring position more often than not. Hitting 2nd would give him too many plate appearances. Swisher is more well rounded so if you’re a fan of a stable lineup he could anchor 2nd.
Rich,
I am just special…face it.
“Frankly, I am not into any “cult” of Jeter. If you want to diss him that is your misfortune. I have been saying all along that whoever is successful leading off should lead off. I am just not gung-ho about removing Jeter from lead-off unless I have cause.”
Now, it’s your distortion that you think I am dissing him.
Now = No
unless I have cause.
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The cause should be the .380 on base, 50 steal, 4.5 p/pa outfielder the Yankees currently have. No shame in moving Jeter back to 2nd, its his natural position anyways because he is so impatient at the plate.
Rich,
lol
Jerkface January 27th, 2011 at 1:36 am
What happens if Jeter is his usual .381 OBP self? Still want him moved?
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If Jeter on bases .380 vs righties he should hit 2nd behind Gardner. If he doesn’t then he should hit like 8th or 9th.
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And I wouldn’t move him with those numbers, and would never bat Gardner first vs. lefties.
“well, you do seem somewhat obsessed with Jeter stumbling into a hole,never to be heard from again.”
Really? Then why did I want him to get a three year $45m contract?
Projection is a dangerous game.
I never said to bat Gardner first vs lefties. Who is arguing that? And why wouldn’t you bat Jeter second vs righties if he is so good. Gardner on base at .380-.400, Jeter with more power than Gardner hopefully and .380 obp infront of Tex,Cano,A-rod can only be a good thing.
No one else in the 2 spot is going to get on base more than that.
Pat M. January 27th, 2011 at 1:33 am
Purfrock……If you go back to last winter here at the LoHud after Curtis arrived you’ll see endless debates about my stand on him hitting in the 2 hole rather than Nick Johnson…..The problem is that if Gardner hits leadoff the who hits 9th ???? You want a speed guy in that spot as he really serves as a 2nd leadoff hitter……Curtis is going to have a very good 2011 ….
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I’ll take your word for it rather than gut the archives,lol.
Unlike some here,I have no compulsion to realize Gardner in the leadoff spot, if Derek Jeter demonstrates that 2010 is an anomaly season for him.I think Gardner is perfect as the nine guy.If Jeter falters then you consider it,but I don’t know that Gardner will continue to put up the same impressive on base numbers he did in the first half of the season.
We seem to be assuming he will do so,even though he dropped off in the second half; we don’t know if that was wrist related or whether he came back down to earth or a combination of both.the other assumption is that Jeter will not get untracked,which is based on last yr’s numbers,while career numbers are discounted.I am not going to assume Jeter won’t gravitate back to his career norms,so why prematurely entertain a switch at leadoff?
Granderson could hit second but I like to see him 6th or 7th with RBI/slug opportunities.I cannot see him hitting ninth though.
Rich in NJ January 27th, 2011 at 1:40 am
“Frankly, I am not into any “cult” of Jeter. If you want to diss him that is your misfortune. I have been saying all along that whoever is successful leading off should lead off. I am just not gung-ho about removing Jeter from lead-off unless I have cause.”
Now, it’s your distortion that you think I am dissing him.
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Are you done talking to yourself?
Rich in NJ January 27th, 2011 at 1:42 am
“well, you do seem somewhat obsessed with Jeter stumbling into a hole,never to be heard from again.”
Really? Then why did I want him to get a three year $45m contract?
Projection is a dangerous game.
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Rich,you should know; you’re convinced the guy is going to fall off the map based on one yr.
Greenberg’s comments are nonsense. He’s just spinning, trying to throw some red meat to the Ranger fans so they can feel good about losing Lee to Philly, so he creates a story about how his moves screwed the Yankees. Yeah, right.
Face….I always liked having a table setting guy in the 9 spot so when the lineup flips over you have things in motion…….
Jerkface January 27th, 2011 at 1:39 am
Face…..Curtis is fast and doesn’t get doubled up….Him in the 2 hole is very good
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But he also doesn’t get on base very well, so you’re purposefully taking away RISP opportunities for Tex, Cano, and A-rod. I like Curtis down in the order because he has great power so you never know when he is gonna crank one with the hopefully close to .400 on base crew of Tex, Cano, and A-rod on the bags, and he his speed+power mean that when he does get on base it should be in scoring position more often than not. Hitting 2nd would give him too many plate appearances. Swisher is more well rounded so if you’re a fan of a stable lineup he could anchor 2nd.
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I like Granderson in the two-hole and he does get on base well in there actually. .394 OBP. in 86AB.
Pat M.
I agree. I also love those circular lineups.
If jeter is so impatient, what’s the difference between him hitting first or second? They need to beat it into Gardner’s head that when he’s on first base and second base is open, he’d better run on one of the first two pitches. He gets on and then screws around standing at first until the batters are in a hole.
LordD99 January 27th, 2011 at 1:46 am
Greenberg’s comments are nonsense. He’s just spinning, trying to throw some red meat to the Ranger fans so they can feel good about losing Lee to Philly, so he creates a story about how his moves screwed the Yankees. Yeah, right.
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This ticked me off too. Greenberg should just keep his mouth shut. And who really cares anyway, at this point.
LordD99 January 27th, 2011 at 1:46 am
Greenberg’s comments are nonsense. He’s just spinning, trying to throw some red meat to the Ranger fans so they can feel good about losing Lee to Philly, so he creates a story about how his moves screwed the Yankees. Yeah, right.
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the guy is deflecting from the fact that he couldn’t bring the guy back himself.who cares what he thinks,his rotation isn’t any great shakes without lee.
Pat M. January 27th, 2011 at 1:46 am
Face….I always liked having a table setting guy in the 9 spot so when the lineup flips over you have things in motion…….
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This is why I like Gardner there.
Rich in NJ January 27th, 2011 at 1:39 am
Jeter in Sept/Oct
66.0 % GB
12.8 % LD
Lower than his 2010 season as a whole.
More evidence that his Sept “burst” was likely not sustainable.
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I am not going disagree; as far as those projections go, but the point is that .376 is far superior to .315, which are also unlikely Jeter numbers. I would not assume 2010 numbers are Jeter’s numbers going forward until they indeed are. My original and still current point.
If jeter is so impatient, what’s the difference between him hitting first or second? They need to beat it into Gardner’s head that when he’s on first base and second base is open, he’d better run on one of the first two pitches. He gets on and then screws around standing at first until the batters are in a hole.
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This isn’t true, do you want me to show you the counts he stole on? And batting Gardner 1st where he will see more pitches gives the other hitters something to look at.
Pat I don’t like wasting a guy like Gardner in the 9 spot because it means you’re giving more PA’s to guys who don’t get on base as well. And if you move Gardner from the 9 spot when Nunez/Pena/whomever play then whats the point of it anyways? Second leadoff hitter just doesn’t jive with me. Put the batters in the lineup where they get more PA’s so they get on base more and create less outs and keep innings going.
“Are you done talking to yourself?”
You’re not fooling me.
“I am not going disagree; as far as those projections go, but the point is that .376 is far superior to .315, which are also unlikely Jeter numbers. I would not assume 2010 numbers are Jeter’s numbers going forward until they indeed are. My original and still current point.”
Why is it a diss (or bad for the team) to bat Jeter 2nd v. RHP?
I would not assume 2010 numbers are Jeter’s numbers going forward until they indeed are. My original and still current point.
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Blind faith isn’t a very good discussion platform
“Rich,you should know; you’re convinced the guy is going to fall off the map based on one yr.”
If so, I must really love the guy to think that, yet want him to get $45m.
Back to reality, I have said I expect him to rebound in 2011 to about a 108-ish OPS+ and then regress again in 2012.
Rich in NJ January 27th, 2011 at 1:56 am
“I am not going disagree; as far as those projections go, but the point is that .376 is far superior to .315, which are also unlikely Jeter numbers. I would not assume 2010 numbers are Jeter’s numbers going forward until they indeed are. My original and still current point.”
Why is it a diss (or bad for the team) to bat Jeter 2nd v. RHP?
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“Diss,” huh? We are discussing *production.* At least I am.
Jerkface January 27th, 2011 at 1:57 am
I would not assume 2010 numbers are Jeter’s numbers going forward until they indeed are. My original and still current point.
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Blind faith isn’t a very good discussion platform.
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You are not discussing this in earnest. So, let’s just end the discussion.
Hard to discuss anything in earnest when the opposing view point is: Well I believe Jeter will bounce back *no data to back this up*, he will have to decrease his ground ball rate, increase his LD%, stop swinging at crap out of the zone, and stop being dominated by RHP fastballs and sliders.
Rich in NJ…..As always you make some very compelling points however I do think the argument on Derek is somewhat slanted for some reason…..I base this witnessing not only your very telling comments during his negotiations, as well as your rather consistent ragging on him last season……..Let’s see how camp goes and if his perfomance dictates a move out of the leadoff or the 2nd spot…….I do think this bias is clouding your good points ……
Rich in NJ January 27th, 2011 at 1:55 am
“Are you done talking to yourself?”
You’re not fooling me.
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Whatever, you say, Rich.
No comma between whatever and you say.
This isn’t true, do you want me to show you the counts he stole on? And batting Gardner 1st where he will see more pitches gives the other hitters something to look at.
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I’d rather that you show me the numbers where he stood at first base and didn’t do anything, when he was there to steal a base. while you’re at it, show me the number of strike threes that he took, the number of times that he took 3 straight strikes.
I doubt Girardi will ever have Jeter hit 8th or 9th. However I could definitely see Joe moving him down to 2 while Gardner leads off vs RHP.
Jerkface January 27th, 2011 at 2:05 am
Hard to discuss anything in earnest when the opposing view point is: Well I believe Jeter will bounce back *no data to back this up*, he will have to decrease his ground ball rate, increase his LD%, stop swinging at crap out of the zone, and stop being dominated by RHP fastballs and sliders.
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The data for him succeeding against RHP trumps the 2010 season. Why wouldn’t a hitter of this caliber be able to make adjustments??He had a monster season before the most recent one.which you are ignoring like it happened five years ago,because it doesn’t support your bias.you are making an assumption on the one yr and calling it realism.
Good night all you night owls.
Jerkface January 27th, 2011 at 2:05 am
Hard to discuss anything in earnest when the opposing view point is: Well I believe Jeter will bounce back *no data to back this up*, he will have to decrease his ground ball rate, increase his LD%, stop swinging at crap out of the zone, and stop being dominated by RHP fastballs and sliders.
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I have given you the data, including correcting your saying that Jeter overall doesn’t hit righties well. You are like the true believer, adhering to a methodology that rejects all others. You are assuming Jeter’s regression and decline is a fact in 2011 without yet having any proof of that until the games are played. These discussions become so protracted because I don’t religiously adhere to or read all your numbers as you do. Then, I am accused of things like blind faith, which has nothing to do with the argument, and frankly has no place in the discussion.
It is interesting too how you don’t like incorporating injury into your numbers with regard to Jeter, but do so when it suits your purposes with Gardner, who was awful in the second half and into the playoffs. Jeter or Gardner will lead off. The Yankees will make the right choice based on performance.
Gardner’s most often steal count was 1-0, 13 times. He stole 8 times first pitch. 10 times 0-1 or 1-1. So thats 13+8+10 = 31 of his steals within the first 2 pitches. He stole 11 times 0-2,1-2, and 3-2.
He struck out on 3 pitches 16 times in 2010.
Patrick January 27th, 2011 at 2:09 am
I doubt Girardi will ever have Jeter hit 8th or 9th. However I could definitely see Joe moving him down to 2 while Gardner leads off vs RHP.
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He’d do it if Jeter showed the same anemia against righties as last season,but he wouldn’t pre-empt him & just insert Gardner without Jeter playing himself OFF that spot.
including correcting your saying that Jeter overall doesn’t hit righties well.
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I never said this. Show me where I said this. He has a 100 OPS split in his career. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t hit righties well. It means he hits them worse than he hits lefties.
GB…Earlier this evening I mentioned that there were 2 areas in Gardner’s game that needed improvement….Bunting and swiping bases…..If he was ever to be tutored on the art of both aspects of the game he’d be a serious weapon….
SAS January 27th, 2011 at 2:16 am
Good night all you night owls.
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Good night!
And half of those were swinging vs looking. He struck out looking in 42% of his strike outs.
.If he was ever to be tutored on the art of both aspects of the game he’d be a serious weapon….
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He is already a serious weapon. What exact kind of improvement are you looking for? He already steals as often as the top base stealers in the league.
Pat M. January 27th, 2011 at 2:21 am
GB…Earlier this evening I mentioned that there were 2 areas in Gardner’s game that needed improvement….Bunting and swiping bases…..If he was ever to be tutored on the art of both aspects of the game he’d be a serious weapon….
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Yes, I completely agree if he could improve in these two areas, he would be so much more formidable.
Isn’t 16 3 pitch whiffs a little alarming ???
As a pinch runner he has 4 steal attempts in 8 substitutions, but this may include times he was subbed in and later came to bat. (I took out pinch hits)
Face ,,,,Yes he steals bases, however he is not a good base stealer
Isn’t 16 3 pitch whiffs a little alarming ???
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only if you know the league average and this is well above it.
Pat M. January 27th, 2011 at 2:21 am
GB…Earlier this evening I mentioned that there were 2 areas in Gardner’s game that needed improvement….Bunting and swiping bases…..If he was ever to be tutored on the art of both aspects of the game he’d be a serious weapon….
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I think I would have a slightly different emphasis,though I agree.I would say that if he wants to be a serious weapon,he has to improve in these areas.they are essential to taking his game to another level.as of now,he’s a dynamic but limited offensive player.if he can accomplish the above,then he would be a much more legitimate candidate to leadoff IMO.
GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2011 at 2:06 am
This isn’t true, do you want me to show you the counts he stole on? And batting Gardner 1st where he will see more pitches gives the other hitters something to look at.
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I’d rather that you show me the numbers where he stood at first base and didn’t do anything, when he was there to steal a base. while you’re at it, show me the number of strike threes that he took, the number of times that he took 3 straight strikes.
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These are fair criticisms, and I would love to see improvement here. Of course, there are no numbers to show the former.
Isn’t 16 3 pitch whiffs a little alarming ???
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Jeter did the same thing 18 times.
Face ,,,,Yes he steals bases, however he is not a good base stealer
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I think people are placing an unrealistic expectation on him, and trying to use his current statistics as a way to denigrate what he did on the field. He is already amongst the leagues best at stealing bases and bunting for hits. Could he be better or even the best? Yes, but that should not take away from the fact that he is already one of the best and as currently configured would be one of the best year in and year out. And I once again bring up that being able to bunt for a hit isn’t going to do much if the opportunity to do it doesn’t present itself. I think he should bunt just enough to force opposing defenses to play in on him, but not enough that it takes away from his other skills, which is grinding pitchers.
““Diss,” huh? We are discussing *production.* At least I am”
yankeefeminista
Then why did you say at 1:39 am:
“If you want to diss him that is your misfortune.”
It’s way past my bedtime. GN.
Face…..Come on now, it’s an adventure when Brett steals 2nd base……..It’s his speed that gets him by…..My point is he could be so much better if he knew when to run, get a much better jump as he seldom gets a good read and jump…..Now Face it’s alright to back peddle a little when your not exactly right…….Derek Jeter K’d on 3 pitches 18 times ???? I understand he had far more plate appearances than Brett but that is an alarming number to me……Wasn’t aware of this
Batters struck out on 3 straight pitches 5869 times in 2010.
Rich in NJ January 27th, 2011 at 2:36 am
““Diss,” huh? We are discussing *production.* At least I am”
yankeefeminista
Then why did you say at 1:39 am:
“If you want to diss him that is your misfortune.”
It’s way past my bedtime. GN.
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Good night. But for the record you brought up the “diss” word. That is the only reason I mentioned it. Here it is:
Rich in NJ January 27th, 2011 at 1:33 am
“Frankly, I don’t care where they hit as long as they score runs and play great “D”.”
If I said this, I would be excused of dissing Jeter.
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Therefore, I was referring to your comment. Thus, the ensuing tangents based on your unfortunate addition to the discussion.
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Rich in NJ January 27th, 2011 at 1:33 am
“Frankly, I don’t care where they hit as long as they score runs and play great “D”.”
If I said this, I would be excused of dissing Jeter.
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Rich in NJ, be fair. You introduced the “D” word above:
Come on now, it’s an adventure when Brett steals 2nd base……..It’s his speed that gets him by…..My point is he could be so much better if he knew when to run, get a much better jump as he seldom gets a good read and jump…..Now Face it’s alright to back peddle a little when your not exactly right
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An adventure in stealing at an 84% clip? And I would never begrudge a player getting better, but I do begrudge people suggesting that Gardner is somehow deficient at stealing bases. For example, Prufrock does not want to bat him leadoff until he learns to bunt and steal better. He is already good at those things. It is like arguing with bodhisattva that Gardner is not a good centerfielder because he has to use his speed to makeup for misreads. Then I say, “Well did he catch the ball?” “Yes” Then that makes him a good centerfielder. He could always be better but as long as what he is doing is better than everyone else it should please Yankee fans.
Gardner stole 47 bags in 56 attempts last year and the leader, Juan Pierre, had 200 more plate appearances than Gardner. You want Gardner to steal more? Give him more plate appearances. He already steals at the same rate as stealers such as Carl Crawford. Maybe he could steal more bags if he ran more, but he may also get thrown out. You want him to steal when he is confident of success because its stupid to waste outs when you have the Yankee lineup hitting behind you.
As he gets more experience he should be able to gain more confidence stealing and thus increase his amount of chances.
Pat M. January 27th, 2011 at 2:21 am
GB…Earlier this evening I mentioned that there were 2 areas in Gardner’s game that needed improvement….Bunting and swiping bases…..If he was ever to be tutored on the art of both aspects of the game he’d be a serious weapon….
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Pat, when Gardner was in Tampa and in the games I saw him play on MLB-TV.com, he never appeared to have any trouble bunting, either for hits or sacs. He still struck out way too much for a singles hitter. As well as he hit, he still didn’t steal the number of bases that he could have except for 1 season. Part of it was that the Yankees really moved him fast. No Low A ball and was in AA by his second season.
goodnight all.
Almost 3AM. I am out for the night. Have a good one all!
It’s the number of times that Gardner never even swung the bat that’s alarming. Way too many called third strikes over the center of the plate.
Jerkface
As he gets more experience he should be able to gain more confidence stealing and thus increase his amount of chances.
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He definitely needs to gain more confidence. I watch him all the time at the Stadium and he is very hesitant to steal. But you are right; he is very successful when he does steal; however, he does need to develop more of that base-stealing entitlement. G’Night.
An adventure in stealing at an 84% clip? And I would never begrudge a player getting better, but I do begrudge people suggesting that Gardner is somehow deficient at stealing bases. For example, Prufrock does not want to bat him leadoff until he learns to bunt and steal better. He is already good at those things. It is like arguing with bodhisattva that Gardner is not a good centerfielder because he has to use his speed to makeup for misreads. Then I say, “Well did he catch the ball?” “Yes” Then that makes him a good centerfielder. He could always be better but as long as what he is doing is better than everyone else it should please Yankee fans.
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I want him to have more weapons before I hand over the leadoff spot to him.Since he isn’t fully developed as a hitter, or if this is his ceiling as a hitter, he needs more avenues to get to first base.why shouldn’t he get better at bunting?I don’t agree that he’s good at bunting.He has laid down a nice bunt here & there,but he has not been a consistently good bunter.If you rely on working walks & getting infield hits for the bulk of your access,why not also bunt more & get more proficient at it??
GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2011 at 2:46 am
It’s the number of times that Gardner never even swung the bat that’s alarming. Way too many called third strikes over the center of the plate.
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Very true also. Have a good night!
5869 is a staggering number of 3 pitch whiffs….I always thought that if you K’d on 3 pitches more than 9 times that would be considered high……Different era in that looking at so many pitches is the wave currently….Never liked deep counts as in my mind I didn’t like falling behind in the count……..Maybe that’s why I got bounced back to AA Ball……
GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2011 at 2:46 am
It’s the number of times that Gardner never even swung the bat that’s alarming. Way too many called third strikes over the center of the plate.
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this is true.it’s in fact so clear.he goes through stretches where he’s in a hitting groove & more assertive & then he goes back into a shell just watching pitches go right down broadway.it’s like he just freezes or something.loses confidence…
yankfem – I’m out too. good one,all.
IMO, the over-reliance on stats and metrics here in pursuit of the elusive provable truth is often a futile endeavor. Back and forth, back and forth it goes. Rarely is anything established with certitude.
Gardner isn’t a great reader of fly balls, but, the Yankees have had three others that weren’t the best at reading fly balls, but had that great speed to catch the flies…..Mantle, Rivers and Bernie Williams. Murcer had the good speed to play center, but, he was an outstanding right fielder. The best Yankee center fielders, as far as tracking flies were Roger Maris and Elliott Maddux. They also had near great speed. Maris never received the credit he deserved as a defensive outfielder. A real pity, because he was the equal of Al Kaline.
It’s the number of times that Gardner never even swung the bat that’s alarming.
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5 times? Twice was against Cliff Lee. That is alarming?
If you rely on working walks & getting infield hits for the bulk of your access,why not also bunt more & get more proficient at it??
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He shouldn’t bunt because bunting goes directly against his ability to see pitches and walk. If you bunt its within the first two pitches, so you’re killing the at bat unless you’re successful. And a bunt can only ever have two outcomes, safe or out, 1 base at most 2 (if reach on error which isn’t counted in the hit total anyways). A bunt isn’t going to get a runner in (though I’d like to see some suicides/safety squeezes). He should only be bunting for a hit if he feels overmatched.
5869 is a staggering number of 3 pitch whiffs….I always thought that if you K’d on 3 pitches more than 9 times that would be considered high
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We’re in an era where strike outs don’t matter as much as what you do when you don’t strike out.
Maybe the Percocets are blunting my reasoning but I think WCYF’s last comment sums it up rather well…..I can only imagine what Face’s rebuttal will be…..
Maybe the Percocets are blunting my reasoning but I think WCYF’s last comment sums it up rather well…..I can only imagine what Face’s rebuttal will be…..
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I don’t see how looking at the actual results from on the field versus what you all seem to remember as being anything other than conclusive.
People say Gardner strikes out looking too much, well luckily we live in this age where we can see exactly how many times that happens… and it turns out its not as much as one thinks.
Just like how many times Gardner steals, Stolen Base Attempts / Stolen Base Opportunities is not a metric. No scientists whipped it up. Its an account of what happened on the field.
I know its fun to sit back and just say what you think without backing it up, like I’m sure that flies at the ball park and at the bar, but arguments should not be discounted when the opposition can tell you actually how many times an event occurs or doesn’t occur.
Face…..He just looks very uncertain in both those areas that have been discussed…….There’s room for improvement and if Gardner was ever was to become proficient in bunting he could be a .300 hitter and a threat to swipe 70 bases if he were to improve there as well…..What I see cannot be translated to stats, he’s shaky when he gets on base
Good Night…Good Morning Morning People
here’s room for improvement and if Gardner was ever was to become proficient in bunting he could be a .300 hitter and a threat to swipe 70 bases if he were to improve there as well…..What I see cannot be translated to stats, he’s shaky when he gets on base
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A shaky gardner’s 47 steals in 500 PA’s with an 84% success rate is pretty good, no? He would have to bunt for 11 hits last year to bat .300, but even the best bunt for a hit players achieve a rate of below 50% (ichiro is the best at 50.9% but only has 57 bunt hits in his career). So we’re talking about 22+ at bats where he has to attempt to bunt for a hit.
Because those attempts don’t just come from his at bats but his pool of plate appearances total, and I am not including his prior bunt attempts of which he collected 7 hits, it stands to reason that it will impact his walks and other hits as well.
I don’t think bunting is a magic fix to hit .300, even though everyone says ‘Well if he could bunt he’d always hit .300!’ only if he decided to give up on the at bat and go for 1 base max.
I don’t think bunting for a hit is just something that should be done willy nilly, defenses play for it, you have to contend with 3 fielders (catcher, pitcher, 3rd/1st baseman), and most of the benefit of bunting for a hit is that the defenders come in at which point you stop bunting for hits and shoot it past them
So if defenders already play Gardner in, why would he bunt for ah it? His success rate will be lower.
Good morning, morning people.
School is closed around here. But I’m up because my husband is going to work and shoveled (snow blower) the driveway already. For his sake, I hope at least some roads are cleared getting to the turnpike.
I think I hear another snow blower out there now. Someone else determined not to be stopped!
Good morning, Doreen
The bolding/italic sequence last night was hilarious [I understood when reading it, but the sheer complexity of trying to describe how was daunting. Well done!]
Doreen January 27th, 2011 at 5:38 am
Good morning, morning people.
School is closed around here. But I’m up because my husband is going to work and shoveled (snow blower) the driveway already. For his sake, I hope at least some roads are cleared getting to the turnpike.
I think I hear another snow blower out there now. Someone else determined not to be stopped!
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woke up and can’t believe the snow that fell in 8-9 hrs..there is 14 more inches of fresh snow on the ground and nowhere to put it….now I have to go to work without doing the driveway
tractor trailer ban on all highways in CT
Chuck 58 -
It was so frustrating!!!!
And of course it was an exchange with Mick who already teases me about not being able to find the Georgia Pig.
joeman -
That’s the worst part – no where to put the snow.
It was easier for my husband this morning because he used the snow blower and that thing throws the snow pretty far, certainly a lot farther than I could do with a shovel.
This reminds me of when we were living out in Chicagoland for 2 winters. I used to tell people the difference between winter there and here in NJ is that back there, once it snowed, that snow was on the ground until spring. The cold was constant, but I thought it was bearable. One reason for that is if you KNOW it’s constantly freezing you NEVER leave your house without hat, scarf and gloves, even if you’re just walking to the mailbox.
Here in NJ, most winters you get a respite between snowstorms. Even after a blizzard, generally speaking the snow melts and so you have a “clean slate” between episodes. But I do believe that because of that fluctuation in temperature, we’re never really “comfortable” with the cold here in NJ. You don’t get into a routing of hats, gloves, scarves because you don’t need them every day. You might need them for several days in a row, or even a week or two, but there are usually periods of time in NJ winters where you could go outside in a heavy sweater and maybe a sleevelest vest. Not so back in Naperville.
This winter has been more like a midwest winter.
I’ve been getting up so early lately, there’s not a lot of activity here until about 7 am, so I’ve been going over to Joe Posnanski’s blog to fill the time. If you haven’t made it part of your regular reading, I’d urge you to do so. No matter the subject he chooses to write about, it’s just an enjoyable experience overall. The other morning I got so lost in his writing that I almost forgot to wake my daughter up for school!
Good morning morning people
This waking up early thing is for the birds. This morning I realized I left my shoes in my car so I had to run out in the cold barefoot to get them. Its supposed to be 60 today so luckily ill be inside for the majority of the it.
good morning early birds
another snowy day in paradise…we only got about 6 inches. I almost hit a deer on my way to work, especially when she slipped and fell while darting in front of me. Luckily my brakes worked and we are all OK!!
upstate kate -
I’m glad to hear that both you and the deer are okay.
I’m beginning to think we’ll never be able to open our sliders onto our deck again. We got about 14 inches overnight. So very glad we’ve got the new snowblower.
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tyanksfan36 -
The worst part of winter for me is I have to put shoes on just to run out and get the newspaper. I try to stay in sandals for as long as the temperatures will allow.
Looks to me like Cashman is going right up to the wire on AP.
He’s keeping the door open and the money available.
Question is : Is Andy gonna take the bait ??????
Pitchers and Catchers report really soon.
I like it.
I like it too MTU…looking forward to real baseball news
Should be some interesting battles goin’ on in ST this year.
For example :
Martin, Cervelli, Montero, and Romine.
or
Nova, Phelps, Colon,Warren and Noesi.
Just to cite a few.
Kate-
I’m tired of the endless speculation and I’m looking forward to seeing
the real deal.
And I believe things won’t turn out the way that most expect.
Because they rarely do.
It’s time to get it on !
Let’s see what happens when the rubber finally meets the road.
Guaranteed that surprises await.
MTU & Kate -
It is indeed time for the real deal.
Doreen-
It’s been a long Winter especially for those on the East coast.
Time to warm things up with some BASEBALL.
Games are played on the field. Not on paper nor in the electrons of
someone’s computer.
I want to see that old time religion. Gimme some of that old time religion.
It’s only then I’ll try to forget.
MTU,
yea he takes it ..I still think he’s pitchig
ill believe he’s not when it happens.
From last night: I like Gardner leading off and Jeter hitting 2nd in a primary lineup….against some lefties I think you could change it around.
Gardner
Jeter
Cano
Alex
Teixera
Swisher
Granderson
Posada
Martin.
Jeter does hit into double plays but if he’s right (he wasn’t last year) then he’s going to stay behind the ball and hopefully get Gardner to 3rd base a lot with 1 out…..
Good morning everybody.
At this rate, with all of this snow here, I hope Yankee Stadium will cleaned out by opening day
Blake-
Jeter will be right.
MTU -
I’m really excited that the Trenton Thunder have two home games this season that start at 10:35 a.m. this season. I can go to the games by myself and get home in time for my daughter. Plus, the Charleston team plays in Lakewood and they also have one game that is an 11 am start.
While I really enjoy going to games as a family, going by myself is a special treat.
I enjoy the minor league games.
Fran -
I didn’t even think about that!!!
If GGBG stays healthy he is gonna have a big year.
Grandy is going to pick up where he left off.
Martin could be awesome.
Montero could be awesome.
Tex and Alex will be feared.
Cano is otherworldly.
Hughes is gonna be scary good.
Nova will surprise.
And the killer B’s will continue to sting.
All in all I’m excited.
There are numerous other places where I see the potential for a pleasant surprise.
Man. I’m diggin’ it.
MTU,
yea I think he will be as well. We may not see 2009 ever again but I think he’ll make adjustments this winter and be much closer to his career norms. If you think about the fact that Jeter made it to 36 before ever having to change his swing mechanics due to age…..that’s pretty amazing.
Doreen-
Keep that radar gun handy.
Lookin’ forward to your advance scouting reports.
MTU,
im really excited for ST. Lots of stories to follow….I think Cashman has it right that they are 1 starting pitcher away from being very very good…..whether that’s AP, someone from outside, or a kid stepping up.
Blake-
Jeter is far from done IMO.
He’s got “it”. Always did always will.
Too much talent there. Too much will.
Wow, we got 14 inches, lol – the office is not closed, but there’s a delayed opening. I’m not going in even if I could -I haven’t been plowed yet.
Blake-
Agreed. One move away.
One surprise away.
I’m ready.
Betsy-
I been plowed many times.
Man. I’m diggin’ it.
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MTU,
That’s what we have been doing here all winter
I do agree with your enthusiasm about the team, but I still think they need 1 more starting pitcher.
And sober some of the time too.
Doreen
Yesterday I wore my skirt again with my sandals. It was about 60 but the wind made it unbearable. We took the kids out for recess and I nearly froze. I wear flip flops for everything except work.
Fran-
They do.
And it will come.
And everyone will probably be surprised.
Because that’s how it usually works.
I don’t know about you but I love surprises.
Especially pleasant ones.
Blake
I like your line up w/ GGBG batting lead off…his speed should take away any concern about Jeter GIDP. Cano should get a shot at batting 3rd, he is the best hitter.
Is there any rule for placement of switch hitters?
MTU,
did you see the clips of Gary Sanchez the other day ….man he’s got a nice swing.
Ty-
Just keep your toes in the sand and a smile on your face, and you’ll never go wrong.
tyanks
tights and boots!!!
And be sure to keep letting your Rabbit do his thing on Maddon.
Blake-
Ever hear of the Comstock Lode ?
or El Dorado ?
We’ve got it in the Catching dep’t.
The envy of all of baseball.
Not one team close.
Scary good pipeline.
Kate,
Yea that is one thing to consider with Teixera hitting 3rd….which would be fine. I just think Robbie fits better there….
Blake-
I don’t think they should allow Montero to use a Maple bat.
I don’t want to see a splinter on the Moon.
Bein’ environmentally correct and all.
We got 16 inches of snow here and I just saw on the news, another storm is expected next week! Pichers and catchers can’t come soon enough.
MTU,
I don’t want to see a splinter in the pitcher.
All you people freezin’ to death and bein’ buried by snow.
Head West and warm yourselves up.
I recommend Utah.
Blake-
Yeah. That too.
But I was going with the orbital theme.
Do you think the Hubbell will be able to track Jesus’s shots ?
Blake
oh I agree about Robbie, I just wondered if there is some strategy as to where you place your switch hitters
Blake-
Girardi is too conventional to put Cano in the 3 hole IMO.
Besides Tex is gonna have a monster season. Right ?
Cano is a better hitter than Tex and I’m not sure how close it is, so Tex should drop to 5 – although I think Cano is better protection for Alex.
“Betances and Banuelos have a higher cieling than Hughes”.
Whew !
Scary if true.
Tex is somewhere pretending it is April, so when April really rolls around, he will hit like its June
Kate-
I give Tex one month to get his buns in gear and then everybody better look out.
And Grandy is gonna come back from NZ a new Man.
He’s gonna have a “Maori” killer instinct, and maybe a hidden tatoo.
Or maybe he will just tattoo the baseball.
The only guy who’s let me down so far is Joba.
But maybe he’ll surprise me too ?
Kate,
Yea it helps to have them in certain spots because it can effect the other managers bullpen moves……but as long as you have good left/right balance then I don’t think its as much of an issue…..the Yankee can go Lefty/righty pretty much throughout. What that does is it makes the other manager often times burn a situational Lefty on one hitter…..
morning everyone! Man, I just LOVE the morning crew on here! positive thought, optimism, faith in the team! apparently the hater’s just cant get up this early!
i missed the past couple of days while i was working on a few things, but i can imagine the crap thrown cash’s way for his thinking out loud. i say, you go bc, say what you think and do your thing, the heck with the haters!
we have a great team and someone WILL step up to fill out the rotation until andy comes back!
Cash going with the angle that he’s not saying anything very newsworthy- people are just over-reacting to it because there is nothing else to write about.
Some seem to be speculating that he is writing his own ticket out of town but it sounds more like someone who is very comfortable where he is to me.
His candor is likely better received by people who know him and his motives than by those who he would be interviewing with in the future.
People who came in to interview with me for a job who were too candid made me wonder what they would say about our company and our people to anyone if they were willing to tell me so much.
Good Morning Everyone !
Let’s just say I disagree with Cash and leave it at that……….
thats one thing the yankees have had going back a long way is that LH/RH balance in the lineup. it’s been such an advantage to have good hitting switch hitters like bernie, jorge, tex, swish, ruben sierra, these guys have not just been switch batters trying to fight off good pitching, but rather they’ve been really good middle of the order hitters who really force the other manager’s hand. its an advantage the yankees have maintained throughout this run of excellence which is very often overlooked.
Robbie had a monster year batting mostly 5th. I like him in that spot as protection for Alex.
Great hitters do not need or receive protection, they provide it. Tex might suffer a bit if no longer hitting ahead of Alex, though Cano could be a triple crown contender with that move. I’d make it simply because I believe your best hitters should hit higher in the order.
Kate — As for placing switch hitters it really only matters if their splits are dramatic. IE: if you have two who are much better LH hitters you would try to put a quality RH bat that abuses LHP in between them in order to discourage the opposing manager from “turning them around” with a pitching change.
agree with pat, cash seems to have reached a point where he is just going to be himself, say what he thinks, do what he feels is right and let the chips fall where they may. i like that. it may be that he’s decided to go, but i think he’s just decided to stop swearing everything, not worry about his future and be himself. i think its a good development for him and the team.
*stop swearting everything* not swearing, sorry bad typing
need a new keyboard…..
The Kevin Long segments on hitting on MLB Network last week and last night have been great.
He doesn;t treat players cookie cutter and has individual drills for each player that he’s been showing.
The reasoning and what each drill is trying to address is interesting to watch.
Maybe all these drills exist on every team but it is the first time this fan has ever seen them spoken about and broken down.
Fran, but I think Cano would have an even better year batting 3rd…..Although I think he’s better protection for Alex because he’s better than Tex (esp. if Tex is in one of his long funks), I think overall the team would be better off and Cano would have better #s.
Disagree all you want right now.
Just remember that once the first sounds of “play ball”, and first crack of the bat are heard we’re all Yankee fans.
And we will have our team, and for better or worse they’ll be ours.
And no matter what it will be a fun ride.
I’m ready.
thanks for the switch hitting info
Cash isn’t really saying anything out of order when you read or listen to the entire quote. It is when you get the little sound byte that controversies arise. Nothing noteworthy for baseball right now, so everything is over analyzed.
Cash can’t win.
If he speaks in cliches, people complain he’s too vanilla.
If he says what’s on his mind, and stays true to himself, he’s “wrong”.
What do people want?
Do you want the guy to give honest answers to questions?
Do you want him to be honest?
Or, do you want him to say nothing or speak in ridiculous cliches?
Me? I take honesty every time.
Give me an organization that has healthy dissent, and I’ll show you a healthy and successful organization.
SJ-
I know what I want. At least some of it.
I’m ready for the season to get underway. Warts and all.
my preference is cano-alex-tex, I’ve always prefered to go average to power through the three, but i’d put tex behind alex b/c i like his situational hitting a little better. as long as these 3 put up what is expected of them, it really doesn’t matter so i have no complain whichever way joe g decides to do it.
Cashman needs to be himself and say what he wants as long as it doesn’t bother his bosses. If certain Yankee fans have an issue with that then tough doo doo.
Betsy,
I think that Robbie would help the team in either spot. In the 3 hole he would get good pitches to hit in front of Alex and we saw what he did in the 5 hole. Either way would help the line-up.
and don’t forget to set those DVRs for the YES special on Robbie tonight
The Kevin Long segments are a classic example of the “New Yankee Way”.
If George was still in charge, he would have never allowed Long to do those segments.
He never liked his coaches to talk. He fired many of them over the years for doing so.
He had the Belichick Mentality” when it came to his coaches speaking publicly.
He would have gone nuts with Cash’s comments! lol
Guess what? You can’t operate like that anymore. Times have changed.
This is an entertainment business. It’s not Hitlers Army.
The Hal and Hank get that.
They know how loyal Brian Cashman is to them.
They know Kevin Long doing segments on the MLB Network isn’t harmful to the organization.
They aren’t bound with the paranoia their dad had over this stuff.
It’s why people now want to work for the Yankees. It wasn’t always like that under George.
it reallly doesnt matter what cashman says now, he will be judged pretty much on what this team does this year and specifically, what the starting rotation does. obviously he’s tied to aj, and since the farm is going to have to cover the back of the rotation and the spot starts (14 last yr) then the system he’s been nursing will have to show up. despite soriano, this is cashman’s team and he’s going to sink or swim with it.
Craw,
That’s the thing some people don’t get.
Cash is not some rogue employee going off the rails.
Hal and Hank don’t have any problems with anything he has said recently.
If they don’t have a problem, why should anybody else?
Thanks for the reminder Kate. I had the DVR set for Hot Stove, but forgot about the Robbie special. Better not let Erin hear me say that
Work closed for the third time this year. Best winter ever
It’s no different than any other year.
The goals are still the same.
Just because they didn’t sign Cliff Lee doesn’t mean they can’t win.
Is it a perfect team? No.
However, there are no perfect teams.
The problem with some on here is, they answer every Red Sox question mark in the affirmative and every Yankee question mark in the negative.
They do it so much, they convince themselves the Yankees are some second division tea.
It’s both funny and sad at the same time.
They are one starting pitcher away from possibly being WS favorites.
Not a bad position to be in on January 27.
Does anyone have any major league comps for Banuelos and Betances and what type of player they project to be?
“The Kevin Long segments are a classic example of the “New Yankee Way”.”
sj44-
i’m all for a Yankee Way”.
with this new yankee way, you don’t suppose they’ll be incorporating teaching guys to bunt and do things like throwing change ups in the minors rather than waiting until they to the minors do you? that would make me really happy.
… and by the way, on mlb.tv, kevin long had a seriously good lefthanded swing.
About Cashman’s statement on Joba’s 2008 injury: I remember when Joba first hit the scene in 2007 and then there was debate on whether he should remain in the bullpen or be a starter. Some anonymous scouts were quoted by Yahoo saying that they thought Joba’s mechanics will make him prone to injury and it would be better if he would remain in the bullpen. Maybe they were right.
“Cash is not some rogue employee going off the rails.
Hal and Hank don’t have any problems with anything he has said recently.”
sj44-
at the same time , you really don’t think that the yankees with this new transparency won’t butt heads in public at some point do you”
with cashman, hank , randy levine, kevin long all talking , they are bound to say something that will be in conflict with what someone else is saying.
how that public disagreement is handled will tell if there really is a commitment to letting people speak their minds freely.
i doubt the yankees will be like the white sox with ozzie and kenny williams as entertaining as that would be.
i will say that is cashman feels its ok to call joba pedestrian in public or speculate that jet will be an outfielder than he has to expect that joba or jetted will resound freely about cashman too.
this new openness goes in both directions i would think.
rather : i will say that if cashman feels its ok to call joba pedestrian in public or speculate that jeter will be an outfielder than he has to expect that joba or jeter will resond freely about cashman too.
i think the YES network should thank Nets basketball for their prolonged success!
He is just some blow-hard, loud-mouth trying to get his name in the national news…if he just talks about the Rangers, it goes nowhere…if he trash talks about the Yankess, people will hear him. He is just waving his arms and screaming “look at me, look at me”. You see this behavior alot in school yards