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Cashman: “We’re an an unfinished product”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 27, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Today’s guest post was another example of fortunate timing.

This morning, Yair wrote about the Red Sox putting themselves back in contention, making moves to refuel the Yankees/Red Sox rivalry.

At last night’s charity bartending event, Brian Cashman was once again asked how his club stacks up against the Red Sox at this point in the offseason.

Cashman had been asked a similar question during Tuesday’s now infamous WFAN breakfast, and he answered much the same way last night, saying that the Red Sox look like a better team on paper because they have a deeper rotation.

“They might be a finished product,” Cashman said. “We’re an unfinished product.”

The Yankees have remained a work in progress all winter, and — if Cashman can’t solve his rotation issues in the next month — they might remain a work in progress until July 31.

As for other notes from last night’s event…

• Cashman’s quick, to-the-point evaluation of his current situation: “I need starting pitching,” he said. “That’s what I need.”

• About the Andy Pettitte situation: Last night, Jon Heyman reported that the Yankees were prepared to offer Pettitte $12 million. Craig Calcaterra quoted a source saying there’s a “very strong possibility” that Pettitte will pitch this year. Cashman said, in no uncertain terms, that the Pettitte situation has not changed. Pettitte has told the Yankees he’s learning toward retirement, and that opinion — as far as the Yankees know — has not changed.

• One quote from Cashman about Pettitte: “No one wants to let him go. That’s probably the issue.” Cashman said Pettitte has been “awesome” about the situation, that communication has been constant and the Yankees are not being stopped from making a move because of Pettitte’s possible retirement.

• Why hasn’t Cashman added a reliable starting pitcher? “If I could do business and fill my rotation, I’d do it right now” Cashman said. “I just don’t like the choices.”

• Asked one more time about the possibility of leaving the Yankees, Cashman said: “I want to do what’s best for the franchise at all times. As long as I feel that I’m capable of doing that, and they want me, and I’m effective, and the fans are happy, then I can stay.”

• Last night’s event benefited prostate cancer research. Cashman said he was excited to participate because the cause meant a lot to him. His father-in-law died of prostate cancer. Cashman also joked that he always wanted to be a bartender, and last night was an opportunity to check that off his bucket list.

The picture is from my cell phone. Yes, Cashman was wearing his highlighted wig.

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185 Responses to “Cashman: “We’re an an unfinished product””

  1. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    So Deutscherer is probably out………I can’t think of anyone else. I really don’t think Andy is coming back; I think he’s working out because though he wants to retire, it’s hard for him to actually put that into effect. That is, it’s hard for him to say No because that’s the end of it………and not working out would really be the end of it. It’s like quitting a habit gradually instead of cold turkey.

  2. Mike Ri January 27th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Cashmoney is living the life !!

  3. blake January 27th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Cash is looking for a pitcher….not a belly itcher.

  4. blake January 27th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Randy,

    Thanks for the response.

  5. upstate kate January 27th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    I think Andy was beat up at the end of the season, and wants to make sure he can physically compete.

    G Love
    you certainly have a way w/ words, loved your post in the previous thread :)

  6. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Nobody undergoes Andy’s workout regimen (which is a $&@&$), unless he wants to pitch.

    He’s probably gauging how he feels physically to determine when he’s coming back.

    But, he’s coming back. Unless he’s hurt, I see him pitching in 2011.

  7. Patrick January 27th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    SJ44,

    Not sure you care but it’s always nice to hear good things about relatives! Here is what Law says about your nephew (ranked 63):

    Sanchez’s regular season ended early when he took a pitch off the jaw, but he returned to action in the Arizona Fall League and showed no fear in the batter’s box. He had a few hiccups with throwing in the AFL but it doesn’t appear to be a permanent issue for him, and he’s steadily improved his blocking and receiving skills.

    At the plate, he’s firmed up his front side since signing with Pittsburgh, but needs to work on keeping his weight back; when he does so, he’s got above-average raw power and would have a chance to hit for average at the same time, making him a fringe All-Star at that position. He’s an extremely hard worker who ended up at Boston College without a scholarship but improved his body to the point where he not only made the team, but became its best player. I wouldn’t bet against him at this point.

  8. UnKnown January 27th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    How come everytime I see Alex in those gossip photos that Erin posts he looks like he just did something really bad and is looking around to see if anyone saw him.

    Alex man, he is one of a kind.

  9. G. Love January 27th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    I also think Andy’s coming back.

    I think he’s training to make sure his body and his lower half are up to the rigors he’d have to put himself through.

    I think he’s been very deliberate with this decision and it’s less about family and more about him wanting to make sure he physically is up to this. If he has one doubt about his physicality, he should not come back.

  10. blake January 27th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    That’s a nice review on Tony.

    I think Andy is pitching as well and if he does then the Yankees are as good as any team in baseball…..with room to improve before the deadline.

  11. randy l. January 27th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    “The fans had ZERO to do with them signing Soriano.”

    sj44-

    i couldn’t disagree more.

    the pressure was building from the moment that cliff lee signed with philly. that was a punch to the gut of the yankees.

    fan pressure was building and peaking at the time of the soriano signing. i’m sure randy levine was hearing it from fans everywhere in new york. i agree it’s crazy he got involved but he did.

    when randy levine and hank steinbrenner start commenting on player personnel , you’re not going to convince me that all is so organized in yankee management.

    i don’t think ownership is mad at cashman. i just think they have decided to step in more than they were doing because there was such a fan backlash against yankee inactivity over the winter.

  12. 108 stitches January 27th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Andy has never been among the early arrivals at the minor league complex and preferred his own workout routine each offseason at home in Deer Park, Texas.
    If in fact he’s been working out as reported, he could easily come to Tampa around the 12th of February, get settled in, and take his physical along with the pitchers and catchers on the 14th, and begin normal workouts the next day.
    Similar to what Mariano does, he works his bullpen sessions and exhibition game appearances at his own pace.

  13. hardwired7 January 27th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    It’s like Cashman has turned into Dr. Johnny Fever from WKRP in Cincinnati, and that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

  14. randy l. January 27th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    ” As long as I feel that I’m capable of doing that, and they want me, and I’m effective, and the fans are happy, then I can stay.”

    even cashman says the fans need to be happy.

  15. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Randy,

    I answered your post in the other thread.

    For the record, Joe Girardi, and not Randy Levine, is the guy who convinced Hal Soriano was the way to go. The fans had nothing to do with it.

  16. upstate kate January 27th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    any lo-hudders at Foley’s last night?

  17. Against All Odds January 27th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    # SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Randy,

    I answered your post in the other thread.

    For the record, Joe Girardi, and not Randy Levine, is the guy who convinced Hal Soriano was the way to go. The fans had nothing to do with it.

    —————————-

    Did that just come out? I haven’t heard that before

  18. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Patrick,

    That’s a nice, and accurate, analysis of Tony’s strengths and weaknesses.

    I guess that check I sent him did the trick! lol

    If he can get off to a good start this year, I’m hoping a summer promotion to AAA is in the cards.

    That would put him on track to be in Pittsburgh in 2012………Just A’s Pat M predicted when he got drafted.

  19. Keith--FL January 27th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    One of the problems going into a season saying we will need to make a move before the trade deadline is that teams almost always ask for the moon in return during the season in a trade especially for starting pitching and from the Yankees they ask for the moon and a bunch of stars because it’s the Yankees and no team want to be the ones who helped the mighty Yankees and also get the wrath from Selig….better to sign Colon, Millwood, and Duscherer and hope at least one can be a viable starter…use our financial resources that way as well…..

  20. West Coast Yankee Fan January 27th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Logic would dictate that Hank and Hal cannot help but “hear” what the fans are saying and their voices were quite loud this off-season. Again, there may not be a direct and traceable quid-pro-quo between fan reaction and ownership action. But to say they don’t “hear” what’s out there is just not credible. No savvy business owner would not listen to his customers.

  21. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    So as to Soriano, I can understand why Hal/Hank would overrule Cash if it was just based on $$ – after all, it’s the Stein boys’ $$$ and if they are willing to spend it, then ok. However, what about the pick? That was a big deal to Cash……..especially since the Jays are on the move and the Sox and Rays have tons of picks coming to them.

  22. randy l. January 27th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    sj44-

    i don’t doubt that girardi would throw his weight behind getting soriano, but i hadn’t heard about it either. are there any stories on it or did you hear it through connections ?

    you kind of disappeared after the lee signing and were probably busy with other things, but are you aware of how much fan and media pressure was building after the lee loss and right up to the soriano signing ?

    on the blog ,it was getting ugly. i would say it was the low point of the blog as long as i’ve been on here.

  23. Mike Ri January 27th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Keith FL -

    The Yanks are overlfowing with Catchers and Pitchers in AAA !. . something has to give. We can’t keep them all.

  24. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Tons of picks don’t mean much if you can’t sign everybody……which all three teams will be faced with come draft time.

    It’s a balancing act. Since less than 10% of all players drafted each year spend 2 years on a major league roster, it’s not A’s big a deal A’s some think.

    Especially, in a deep draft year.

  25. 86w183 January 27th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    To the extent that the Steinbrothers want to please their fan base, fill the Stadium, load up the radio/TV audience and sell lotsa stuff YES, the signing of Soriano was “influenced” by fans.

    To the extent that they overruled their General Manager to make the move, they were not.

    In other words, the Steinbrothers want their team great and their fans healthy, but will not make any specific move simply to make that happen.

    Selig wants the Yankees to be great — it’s good for business — he just doesn’t want them (or anyone else for that matter) winning all the time.

  26. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    I don’t think Hal and Hank make decisions based on what the fans think, but they are surely not insensitive to the fans – and besides, the fans’ thoughts re: the pitching staff are right on the mark. I can’t imagine Hal and Hank were happy with the way the SP looked after the season…..

  27. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    We’ll see about Andy, but then his comments about the Yankees needing to move on without him make no sense. If the Yankees get another pitcher, where is there room for Andy if he wants to return? Let’s say they were interested in Deutscherer and sign him ……..then what happens if Andy says “hey, I want to return”. What then?

  28. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    Scratch that – Nova would go back to AAA to start or be a long man up here.

  29. 86w183 January 27th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    If they can risk a few $$ on Colon, why not Garcia who is much less of a long shot?

  30. Erica in NY January 27th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Betsy-

    That is a complete and total 180 turn from your comments earlier this week.

  31. randy l. January 27th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    “Since Cashman was against the deal from the start, he didn’t negotiate the contract. That responsibility, according to agent Scott Boras, became the job of team president Randy Levine, who is basically the Yankees equivalent of Larry Lucchino — feisty, fiercely protective of his team, and unafraid to get his hands dirty.”

    http://bostonherald.com/sports.....position=2

    sj44-

    to me this is just plan weird. if cashman is fine with hal making the decision to sign soriano, why wouldn’t he still do his job as gm and do the negotiating on hal’s behalf ?

    i just think it randy levine negotiating with a player is a very odd precedent to cashman’s control of the team. it looks to me that something has changed though i agree again that no one appears mad at anyone else.

  32. LGY January 27th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Kate

    Foleys is the reason I’m searching for bacon this morning

    Cashman toasted to finding starting pitching last night

  33. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    SJ, I hope you’re right. In the meantime, we do have a Javy sandwich pick. The farm had a great year last yaer; I think it’s imperative that it has another one this year, esp. in terms of position players like Slade Heathcott.

  34. G. Love January 27th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    I also hate going into the season with the idea “we’ll build our rotation on the fly”.

    You’re giving your trade partners too much leverage if the rotation struggles.

    Not to beat a dead horse, but there really should have been a plan besides “hope we sign Lee and Andy comes back” going as far back as last season.

    The only thing we have to hope is a team like the Marlins fall to pieces and that nutty owner wants to trade Josh Johnson. Although as SJ has pointed out, the Marlins are going to have new money coming in from the new stadium so they may not be looking to shed anymore payroll like that.

  35. pat January 27th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    “No successful business organization would not listen to their customers, and Yankee fans are the Yankees customers. That doesn?t mean you necessarily act on anything you hear, but you do listen and it?s bound to effect you in some manner.”

    Using this blog as a microcosm of Yankee fans……. there are barely 2 people who can agree on what time it is and how best to determine that. Organization decisions are best left to the professionals and not fans.

  36. Gary January 27th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    The bartending picture makes Cash look like Dr Taub (minus the headband of course) in House MD.

    This is probably old news, but it is some level of encouragement. Sorry for posting if it’s already been seen.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ru.....mlb-313141

  37. blake January 27th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    I think Hal and Hank want to win most of all because they know that’s what drives it all.

    If Im Girardi then I absolutely want Soriano because he makes my job a heck of a lot easier…managing the late innings is pretty straight forward now.

  38. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    The only catchers that are tradable now are possibly Romine and Montero. Sanchez is too far away and the other catchers (Hishagawa? Murphy?) are even further, I believe. What teams are going to trade for players, even catchers, who are so far away as to not be real prospects yet?

  39. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Erica, what are you talking about?

  40. Patrick January 27th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    Law’s top 10 Yankee prospects

    New York Yankees
    1. Jesus Montero, C (4)
    2. Manny Banuelos, LHP (12)
    3. Gary Sanchez, C (68)
    4. Dellin Betances, RHP (73)
    5. Andrew Brackman, RHP (88)
    6. Austin Romine, C
    7. Graham Stoneburner, RHP
    8. Slade Heathcott, OF
    9. Hector Noesi, RHP
    10. Adam Warren, RHP

  41. Tom in N.J. January 27th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Yes, I want the people who run my favorite baseball team to listen to the will of the loudest and most reactionary segment of the fanbase!

    Wait, no I don’t. If I wanted that, I’d be a Mets fan.

  42. West Coast Yankee Fan January 27th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    I personally believe that Hal and Hank are seeking to at least maintain and optimally to increase the valuation of the franchise in preparation for an eventual sale. This may be ten years down the road, who knows, that’s not important.

    Accordingly, I believe Hank and Hal (along with Levine and Trost) realize that revenue is intrinsically lined to valuation. Fan support as manifested in attendance, merchandise sales, concessions, ad dollars, YES viewership (in 2010 YES was the most watched regional sports network) and other ancillary revenue makers are what keeps that dog hunting.

    Yankee management not only want to win, they need to win.

  43. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Randy,

    That time of year, I’m super busy with football obligations.

    Yeah, I know folks were whining at full force.

    However, notice what the organization did. They didn’t panic.

    They didn’t panic and trade Banuelos, Montero and others for Grienke. Which they could have done.

    This isn’t a knee jerk organization anymore.

    They don’t react like fans do.

    As far as Girardi’s input, I heard that from folks who should know. I also think it’s been written and/or discussed after his PC.

    I’m sure someone with good Yankee sources like Sherman or Olney would have discussed it.

    Girardi, Cash and Hal are tight. They stay in constant contact over the winter and Girardi has a lot of input on the roster.

    He also knows the farm system very, very well.

    He’s excited about a lot of young arms in the organization.

    That’s why he has no issues going with what they have right now in the rotation As long as the bullpen was upgraded with Soriano.

  44. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Randy, I’m not comfortable with Randy Levine being an increasing presence either…. it’s nothing personal, but the president shouldn’t have an impact on baseball decisions.

    GLove, that’s where Cash messed up. I think he assumed Lee was theirs and they had no backup plan. He’s not happy with the choices that are out there, but he’s hapy with Mitre and Nova? or Nova and some green kids? Yes, you have to break in kids at some point, but you want to do that when the rest of your rotation is solid. The Yankees SP has questions all around.

  45. Erica in NY January 27th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Betsy-

    I am talking about when you said this:

    Betsy January 25th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
    Erica, stop? LOL If you don’t think Hal didn’t sense that fans were unhappy and that he wants to show the fans that this team is always in it to win it, then I don’t know what to tell you.

  46. Gary January 27th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    86w183 January 27th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
    To the extent that the Steinbrothers want to please their fan base, fill the Stadium, load up the radio/TV audience and sell lotsa stuff YES, the signing of Soriano was “influenced” by fans.

    To the extent that they overruled their General Manager to make the move, they were not.

    In other words, the Steinbrothers want their team great and their fans healthy, but will not make any specific move simply to make that happen.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    The decision was not rocket science. The SP was suspect, the bullpen was suspect. If you think your going to have SP issues and the GM claims he can’t fix the SP now you had better have a good bullpen. Kudos to Hal, Hank, and Randy for being smart enough to figure that one out.

  47. upstate kate January 27th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    way to represent LGY :)
    I suppose it was too busy for you to have an in depth sabre discussion w/ Cash!

  48. hardwired7 January 27th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    8. Slade Heathcott, OF

    I predict his Mike Francesa name will be “Sledge Heathcoat”.

  49. randy l. January 27th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    “there are barely 2 people who can agree on what time it is”

    hey, that reminds me about nick in sf ragging on me last night because i didn’t translate eastern time into pacific time .

  50. Patrick January 27th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    I predict his Mike Francesa name will be “Sledge Heathcoat”.

    I’m going with Sam Heathcliff

  51. Joe from Long Island January 27th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Hi Betsy – in regards to our brief discussion last night about the glories of shoveling snow – I got up at 5 AM to clear my house and pertinent areas (we got 18-24 inches in my area), spent 4 hours of exercise and aerobics, and am now at the job.

    Hardest part was finding someplace to put the new snow; the piles are getting mighty high.

  52. Gary January 27th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    70 here in SWF, I saw the pics this morning of the east coast pretty crummy out there.

  53. Erica in NY January 27th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    New York is the new Buffalo!

  54. blake January 27th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    If they can risk a few $$ on Colon, why not Garcia who is much less of a long shot?”

    One reason I would think is because Colon signed an unguaranteed deal (I believe) which means they can cut him after ST….Garcia likely wont accept that sort of contact.

  55. ac1 January 27th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    i think andy’s hold up is he want to see how his body holds up to his workouts. If it does, he will return.

  56. pat January 27th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    “.. it?s nothing personal, but the president shouldn?t have an impact on baseball decisions.”

    I would think it is personal because Andy McPhail and Nolan Ryan are both Presidents of their organizations and very involved in baseball decisions and no one is telling them to keep their nose out of baseball decisions.

    Its the man and the background and not the position in the case of Randy Levine.

  57. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    Randy,

    That’s not exactly how it went down.

    Cash and Levine (who both have a good relationship with Boras) were in on the conference calls.

    Since Levine is the point person to Hal and Hank, as well as the fact he has a good relationship with Scott, it’s not unusual he be on the calls.

    He was involved in the Tex negotiations as well.

    Why? You reach a point in negotiations when you have to make certain decisions.

    Instead of saying, “I’ll get back to you”, and call Hal, there are certain parameters in which Randy can ok something that Cash doesn’t have the authority to do.

    Cash is the one who suggested the opt outs.

    When it came down to finishing the deal, he left it in the hands of Levine because he spent all winter telling agents he had X number of dollars to spend and he didn’t want to lose credibility with tem by doing this deal to it’s conclusion.

    It’s also why he told Hal he needed to be honest at the PC and he was ok with that.

    To me, it’s not a big deal.

    Having been in these negotiations myself with agents, you just tell them, “ownership is going in a different direction” and move on.

    Cash obviously felt differently about it and Hal respected his POV and they finished the deal the way they did.

  58. pat January 27th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    YankeesPR There’s a baseball field somewhere under that snow…a little over 2 weeks until pitchers & catchers report! http://twitpic.com/3twved

  59. JD January 27th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    I don’t get all the no back up plan talk. What other pitcher was/is out there that would make the Yankees better? Behind Lee they all have question marks and you can’t make teams trade you their pitchers just because you want them.

  60. hardwired7 January 27th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    # Erica in NY January 27th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    New York is the new Buffalo!

    ——————-

    Only acceptable if we get the Anchor Bar.

    Best. Wings. Ever.

  61. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Why Colon over Garcia?

    One guy is topping out at 84 and the other, who played for Pena in winter ball, was topping out at 94, with decent tilt on his slider.

    It’s basically a tryout with no downside. I don’t see it as a big deal.

  62. Dee January 27th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    SI_JonHeyman #chisox considering freddy garcia. they like him. issue is return of peavy (june maybe) would make it 6 starters.

    I hope the Sox sign Garcia, making one pitcher available via trade.

  63. Crawdaddy January 27th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    The signing of Soriano was an organziational decision. In this case, Cashman was in the minority opinion with probably some of his baseball operation people while the majority opinion had Hal, Hank, Levine and Girardi.

  64. Erica in NY January 27th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    hardwired7 January 27th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Only acceptable if we get the Anchor Bar.

    Best. Wings. Ever.

    ***************

    I would like to judge. Please send some over

  65. Patrick January 27th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    We talked about this very issue yesterday….

    Paul H. (Chelmsford, MA)

    Keith, don’t you wish you were still in MA shoveling out from another foot plus of snow?I was surprised to see so few Red Sox prospects in the top 100 after the relatively high ranking of the entire system. Is this simply because they have more prospects at the lower levels (and less at higher levels) than other teams?
    Klaw (1:05 PM)

    Yes, and I liked their 2010 draft quite a bit, with three guys I rated as first-round talents. The funniest reactions I got yesterday were from Yankee fans angry that I didn’t rank the Red Sox lower. Really?

  66. Crawdaddy January 27th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    In today’s NY Post, Sherman talks about Girardi being in favor of signing Soriano which help convince the Steinbrenners to go out in sign him.

  67. pat January 27th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Yankee Day on Francesa.

    Mattingly, Swisher and Bernie will all be on this afternoon.

  68. JD January 27th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Colon signed to a minor league deal at basically nothing where Garcia prob would have taken a guarantee and a 40 man spot just to get him. Heck they can still get him if they want or his price comes down and he ends up having to take a minor league deal to sign somewhere.

  69. Tom in N.J. January 27th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    “Only acceptable if we get the Anchor Bar.

    Best. Wings. Ever.”

    Agreed.

    A Tim Hortons or a Mighty Taco would be nice too. Not to mention a place to get a good Beef on weck.

  70. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    JD,

    Exactly.

    People talk about “having a backup plan” as if front end starters were plentiful in the marketplace.

    That wasn’t the case this year.

    Nobody else worth blowing up your farm system for was on the market.

    Just because fans wanted King Felix or Josh Johnson doesn’t mean the Mariners or Marlins were interested in trading them.

    And, contrary to the fan panic by some, the organization is not in panic mode.

    In fact, there are some in the organization (as Sherman points out today) who believe the Yankees have enough pitching for now because they are confident in the young guys.

    It’s why the belief that the organization signed Soriano to quell some kind of a fan revolt is misguided.

    This organization has poured a ton of dollars and resources into their farm system the past five years.

    There are guys like Nova, Noesi, Brackman, Phelps, and Warren for example who some believe, can help this team this year.

    Verandas and Banuelos aren’t quite ready for primetime yet.

    How and in what role? To be determined.

    In other words, some folks in the organization believe more in the young guys than some fans, media members and bloggers may believe in them.

  71. Against All Odds January 27th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    # randy l. January 27th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    “Since Cashman was against the deal from the start, he didn’t negotiate the contract. That responsibility, according to agent Scott Boras, became the job of team president Randy Levine, who is basically the Yankees equivalent of Larry Lucchino — feisty, fiercely protective of his team, and unafraid to get his hands dirty.”

    http://bostonherald.com/sports…..position=2

    sj44-

    to me this is just plan weird. if cashman is fine with hal making the decision to sign soriano, why wouldn’t he still do his job as gm and do the negotiating on hal’s behalf ?

    i just think it randy levine negotiating with a player is a very odd precedent to cashman’s control of the team. it looks to me that something has changed though i agree again that no one appears mad at anyone else.

    —————————-

    Not sure if this was mentioned in here or not but according to Francesa, Cashman was the one that came out with the opt outs

  72. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Hi Joe ……….wow, 5 am. I hope you took care of yourself when shoveling – that scares me a lot. I always hear about relatively young men having heart attacks when shoveling……… We got 14 inches…………more even than the famous blizzard. It’s ridiculous, lol

    I do not get why Cashman suggested the opts out – maybe because he wants Soriano to opt out and save the team money?

  73. Crawdaddy January 27th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    “I do not get why Cashman suggested the opts out – maybe because he wants Soriano to opt out and save the team money?”

    Betsy,

    He thinks if Soriano has a good season then he’ll opt out this coming November and the Yankees can get a first round draft pick or two.

  74. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    Mattingly’s charity dinner is tonight.

    His book is doing out in March.

    It’s going to be a really fun read.

  75. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    “coming” out in March.

  76. Crawdaddy January 27th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    By the way, isn’t it ironic that Cashman gets in trouble with some Yankee fans about certain comments while he’s doing a WFAN sponsored meet and greet breakfast with Yankee fans and then tends bar at a famous bar while meeting more Yankee fans.

  77. LGY January 27th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Kate

    I was actually representing my buddy WCYF. I had to let Cash know how unprofessional he is and how displeased WC is.

    Which is prett funny because for the talk about the groundswell of fan displeasure I didn’t see a single person last night have the cojones to go up to Cash and criticize him. It is nice when people come onto an anonymous blog and rant and rave and threaten to cancel tickets or stop buying merchandise.

    But let’s be honest. No one here actually does anything about it in real life.

  78. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    Why the opt outs? Flexibility.

    For example……

    What if Joba emerges this year and shows the kind of ability man of us believe he possesses?

    Soriano has a good year, and has a venue where he can close for more money.

    Joba slides into Soriano’s role, the save a bunch of money, which can go to fill other spot(s) on the roster, and they get the draft pick or picks back.

  79. Erica in NY January 27th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    LGY-

    Its like the episode of the Golden Girls when President Bush is coming and Dorothy spends a week preparing her speech and how she is going to rip him. And then when he shows up, she is totally in awe and she just shakes his hand.

    (I don’t talk about the Golden Girls enough anymore)

  80. West Coast Yankee Fan January 27th, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Sorry LGY. It would have been hard for me to attend Cashman’s function as I am currently enjoying the 75 degree sunny weather on a beautiful beach in California. How’s the shoveling going?

  81. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Craw, except that isn’t there’s going to be a new CB where there might not be any FA compensation?

  82. upstate kate January 27th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Erica
    never mind the GG, when is the last time there has been a muppet reference?

  83. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    SJ, ok, but what happens if Soriano opts out after Joba hasn’t succeeded to that extent? It’s a huge risk………..

  84. Erica in NY January 27th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    upstate kate January 27th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
    Erica
    never mind the GG, when is the last time there has been a muppet reference?

    ***************

    Wow- I have been slacking! My bad.

    Its just that my younger twin, Erin and I don’t seem to be around at the same time

  85. Against All Odds January 27th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    # Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    SJ, ok, but what happens if Soriano opts out after Joba hasn’t succeeded to that extent? It’s a huge risk………..

    ————————————–

    They will probably sign or trade for a reliever

  86. Pat M. January 27th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Betsy…You cross that bridge when you get to it !!!!

  87. LGY January 27th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    WCYF

    I know. That is why I represented you!

    In terms of shoveling? I guess you’ll have to ask the guys that work in my building that do that.

  88. Erica in NY January 27th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    Pat M-

    Stevie and Rod Stewart sold out the Garden and they added a second show.

    I am so excited for her!!!!!

    Sadly, this second show is Wednesday, August 6th so I can’t do both :cry:

  89. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Ok, well it’s not like I’m worrying about it now. I don’t think Soriano is guaranteed to opt out; I think Mo is genuine about wanting to mentor him as the future closer

  90. blake January 27th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    There will be a bunch of relievers available next winter if Soriano leaves and they need one.

  91. Crawdaddy January 27th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    “Craw, except that isn’t there’s going to be a new CB where there might not be any FA compensation?”

    Betsy,

    That remains to be determine, also, the new FA compensation rules might not kick in until 2012. Furthermore, if other young pitchers step up, it might be better if Soriano does opt out so the Yankees can use that 13M next season for another need.

  92. Erica in NY January 27th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    LGY January 27th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
    WCYF

    I know. That is why I represented you!

    In terms of shoveling? I guess you’ll have to ask the guys that work in my building that do that.

    *******************

    My apartment is right next to the building front entrance and my only window is right next to my bed and faces the building front driveway

    Last night at exactly 3am, my super started plowing and scared the crap out of me. All of a sudden, I realized I left the window open a sliver and bolted up to shut it. Right as I did, the snow plow launched a snow attack against my window.

    It scared the crap out of me. It also would have been really ugly had I not (barely) had the foresight to shut the window.

  93. G. Love January 27th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    Joe from LI,

    I feel your pain. We had to give up part of our driveway today because we’ve run out of places to put the snow. It’s getting depressing.

    As for criticizing the Yankees for not having a back up plan, I think what I’m suggesting is the Yankees should have dealt for another starter last season.

    They knew there was a potential that Lee wouldn’t sign and Andy wouldn’t come back.

    Once AJ turned into Sidney Ponson last season it was apparent that the team was desperate for starters. Andy was injured. AJ was bad. Javy was not going to be brought back. The team needed starting pitching way before the trade deadline last year.

    Whether it was a guy like Haren or something like getting Lilly the Yankees should have had the foresight to acquire rotation options for the current and future season.

    If they ended up getting Lee, they could have dealt someone. It’s not rocket science. The Phillies signed Lee and will eventually trade off Blanton. They didn’t let Blanton’s presence stop them from improving.

  94. Crawdaddy January 27th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    “I don’t think Soriano is guaranteed to opt out; I think Mo is genuine about wanting to mentor him as the future closer”

    Oh, I think it’s almost a guarantee if he’s not hurt or have a bad season especially if the free agency compensation is adjusted where a team doesn’t have to give up their first round draft pick to sign a reliever.

  95. Pat M. January 27th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    blake…….There could be several reliever type arms in their own system……Brackman for one

  96. Erica in NY January 27th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Pat M-

    I meant to say April 6th, not August 6th.

    Clearly, I am wishing it was summer

  97. blake January 27th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Looking like Vlad’s market is kinda slow….for what it’s looking like he’s going to make, his bat would be nice to have around. They wont sign him but he might be a bargain for somebody.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

  98. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    ” As long as I feel that I’m capable of doing that..”

    These are the key words in Cash’s statement, imo.

  99. Nick in SF January 27th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    WCHF does his own kind of shoveling here on a daily basis. :neutral:

  100. blake January 27th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Pat M,

    Yea I agree. Think how nasty the Yankee pen could be if Joba gets it together and Brackman joins it in the 2nd half….

  101. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    I hope you’re wrong, Craw……..

  102. West Coast Yankee Fan January 27th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    It’s WCYF Nick. But why start being accurate now?

  103. randy l. January 27th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    ” I didn’t see a single person last night have the cojones to go up to Cash and criticize him. It is nice when people come onto an anonymous blog and rant and rave and threaten to cancel tickets or stop buying merchandise.”

    lgy-

    there are appropriate times and places to confront someone in authority but when someone like cashman is doing a cancer benefit and donating his time that surely wouldn’t be the place.

    there are times i would say something to cashman and times i wouldn’t . for instance if he was walking by and i was a paying customer in the stands i’d rag on him. if i was on a back field and talking to a coach i know on another team, i wouldn’t say a word . also if he was with his family i wouldn’t say anything negative.

    as a matter of fact the more i was connected to the game i wouldn’t say much. it would be bad for business and unprofessional. for one thing professionals don’t root.

    it is precisely the fans distance than allows him or her to express their pleasure or displeasure.

  104. Nick in SF January 27th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Your fandom of Heyman has been documented more than your fandom of the Yankees.

  105. LGY January 27th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    Erica,

    I’m in a library right now and I literally lol’d at that. Now I am getting dirty looks though :(

  106. West Coast Yankee Fan January 27th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    G. Love January 27th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    “As for criticizing the Yankees for not having a back up plan, I think what I’m suggesting is the Yankees should have dealt for another starter last season. They knew there was a potential that Lee wouldn’t sign and Andy wouldn’t come back. Once AJ turned into Sidney Ponson last season it was apparent that the team was desperate for starters. Andy was injured. AJ was bad. Javy was not going to be brought back. The team needed starting pitching way before the trade deadline last year. Whether it was a guy like Haren or something like getting Lilly the Yankees should have had the foresight to acquire rotation options for the current and future season.”

    ****************************

    Brilliant! You are exactly right and this lack of foresight on Cashman’s part was glaring and hard to excuse or rationalize. With Burnett, Vazquez, Mitre, Gaudin and Nova in the mix and the uncertainty of a Pettitte return — getting a pitcher should have been a no-brainer.

    Excellent post!!!

  107. Joe from Long Island January 27th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    Betsy – thanks for your concern. Believe, I do not intend to make the evening news in quite that fashion. Nice and easy, no rushing the work.

    I’ve never had the idea that the Yankees (status post an active George) were run by only one decision-maker. In the past, Cash has alluded to numerous people having input. Since his contract in 2005 (?), Cash has sought to consolidate those opinions and inputs so that everything flows through him.

    Soriano’s signing looks more like an example where the working group – Cash plus Hal, Girardi, Levine, and whomever else – decided to shore up the pitching by going the bullpen route. And, since Cash was in the minority view (Hal making the final call since he owns the team and it’s his money), he stepped aside and let Levine do the negotiating, protecting himself if the deal didn’t go through. And still, he apparently had input, vis a vis the opt out clauses.

    I don’t think this is terribly different than many businesses operate, but not being in that line of work am not 100% sure.

  108. Erica in NY January 27th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    LGY January 27th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
    Erica,

    I’m in a library right now and I literally lol’d at that. Now I am getting dirty looks though

    **************

    LOL.. sorry!

  109. West Coast Yankee Fan January 27th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Nick in SF January 27th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Your fandom of Heyman has been documented more than your fandom of the Yankees.

    ***************

    Heyman isn’t the issue. I just don’t care for gratuitous media bashing, I know too many journalists, newspaper editors and people who work in television to question their collective integrity and work ethic. The bad apples are few and far between. Just my opinion.

  110. Nick in SF January 27th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    Where is the violin?

    :roll:

  111. Tom in N.J. January 27th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    “Where is the violin?”

    http://sadviolin.com/

  112. LGY January 27th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    I actually do wish I had to shovel today. It would have given me a real excuse to stay home ;)

  113. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Joe, good to hear.

    I think what fans are afraid of is a sort of repeat of the Tampa faction thing……….and I know for sure that fans on other boards hate that Levine has involved himself in this stuff. I liked the move, personally; I didn’t care about the $$$, though I don’t love giving up the pick. Still, as there’s no great option to fix the rotation, it makes sense to upgrade the pen. If Cash is not unhappy, then ok…. I think everyone realizes that any owner has the right to the final call; that’s the priviledge of being an owner.

  114. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Who is this starter and what would you be prepared to give up for this starter?

    It’s easy to say it, but much tougher to do when getting specific.

    Look at the starters who have been moved since last July.

    Would you have given up Joba, Montero, Banuelos to get Haren or Lilly? I wouldn’t.

    With Soriano in the folks, I’m more than willing to give the kids a shot at the backend of the rotation, wait on Andy, and wait and see how things shake out during the season.

    I don’t have the fear of the unknown some others have because I still believe this is a very good team and I believe some of the guys who had bad years will bounce back this season.

  115. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    WC, you sound like my father. Whenever I am ticked off at the media and I refer to them in not so nice ways, I get a lecture about how “not everyone in the media is like that and it’s not nice to paint them all with the same brush”.

  116. randy l. January 27th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    lgy-

    serious question.

    you’re in your early twenties, up with the latest sabermetric trendiness, supposedly have educational credentials, love the game… why wouldn’t you go up to cashman and introduce yourself last night?

    i realize you’re not going to ask for a job, but you never know where casual conversations go if you do enough of them with the right people.

  117. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    Banuelos and Betances are untouchables. I don’t know exactly what AZ was asking for, but I would have given up some combo of Joba, Nova, Brackman, Robertson. If AZ was asking for Montero, then that’s an automatic hang up.

  118. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Randy Levine is the President of the team. He’s involved in every major player expenditure because that’s his job.

    It’s one of the roles team presidents have.

    He’s not going into Cash’s office with a list of players to acquire, or a list of guys to trade off the team, as George used to do in his heyday.

    If he doesn’t do that, you have nothing to worry about.

  119. Pat M. January 27th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    Betsy, what other blogs do you consider to be good in your opinion ???? I’d like to see what the lower level blogs are like

  120. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    SJ, the financial aspects I get with Levine, but I was concerned that he was making baseball decisions. If it was just a matter of $$$ re: Soriano, then I’m absolutely fine with Hal and Levine telling Cash not to worry about the $$, that they want to spend it that way. Cash maybe was worried about this signing possibly putting a huge dent in the budget, but if there is a player he feels they need, I don’t see Hal saying no to him

  121. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    That wouldn’t have gotten it done.

    Look at what AZ got back in return.

    You have to top Joe Saunders as a starting pitcher. A one time 17 game winner in the AL.

    If you don’t have a guy like that to trade, especially making what Saunders makes, you have to raise the level of prospects you trade.

    For me, I wouldn’t go there for Dan Haren. He’s good. Not that good to go that deep into the prospect vault to acquire.

  122. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    If you want to hit below the belt, Pat M, go right ahead – I don’t mind. I’m not going to take the bait. Have a nice day.

  123. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    I recall people being astounded that AZ wanted Saunders, who many people think is overrated. That said, since AZ liked him, yeah – I supposed we would have had to offer higher-level prospects. I agree then, SJ – I’m not trading those 3 kids for Haren.

  124. tyanksfan36 January 27th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Ok, so I missed commenting on the pinch hit post. I don’t agree with the writers sentiment. Technically what I disagree with is we went 9-9 against Boston and we beat them in the beginning of the season when it was the mostly unhurt red sox team. When we had to beat their AAA team at the end of the season, we couldn’t. So yeah, it wasn’t an unfair fight because we didn’t win and couldn’t beat the minors team. I thought that the Yankees/Rays games in 2010 were some of the most dramatic. And we didn’t win those either. So I won’t root for a healthy red sox or a good Rays team because if it turns out like last year it won’t be much fun to watch.

  125. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    He’s not making baseball decisions. He’s part of a group that makes suggestions.

    The Yankees aren’t a one man band. No good organization is these days.

    If Joe Girardi was not on board with this decision, Hal wouldn’t have done the deal.

    What some folks can’t grasp is, this situation shows how a GOOD organization is supposed to work.

    It’s a collaborative, creative process to bring a pretty damn good player to the team.

    It’s not like they signed a schlock guy.

  126. TheStraw January 27th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    On te Soriano opt outs, I think people are not identifying the whole situation. It provides both sides some flexibility. For instance:

    scenario 1- Soriano has a great year, and Mo (god forbid) gets injured and/or drops off and decides to hang em up at the end of year. Contract gives Soriano some leverage to renegotiate long term deal with Yanks (who are going to be top bidder in that situation).

    scenario 2- Mo plays out his contract, and retires. Scenario 1 takes place after year 2 instead of year one.

    scenario 3- Mo is still God-like this year and next and indicates he has no desgins on retirement. Soriano is unhappy setting up and decides to opt out. Yankees get draft pick.

    scenario 4- Same as scenario two, except Soriano and Yanks agree to adhere to the current contract for one year as “audition” for closer role and then renegotiate. Opt out after third year gives Soriano the leverage to negotiate long term deal.

    I think scenario two is most likely, but the chance of scenario one happening necessitates the opt out each of the first two years.

  127. Pat M. January 27th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Jesus Betsy that was in no means a knock on you at all….I just consider this place as the best with the most intelligent and diversified Yankee fans on the blog……..Maybe a little elitist but certainly not a slam on you !!!!! Relax

  128. randy l. January 27th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    sj-

    cashman knew two years ago pettitte could retire at any time. he knew wang was gone a year ago. he knew vazquez wasn’t going to work by the trading deadline.

    why did he put all his eggs in the cliff lee basket?

    surely there were moves to be made in the last two years to prepare for this time.

    in other words, it’s not a surprise the yankees are in this situation. cashman had to know he was thin in starters.

  129. Bronx Jeers January 27th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    I once saw Neil Smith (Rangers GM) in a Columbus Ave. pizzeria. This was when the Rangers were chasing the 94′ dragon acquiring aging stars and failing miserably.

    He was waiting at the counter and as I approached it I could feel the frustration and anger well up to a near un-containable level.

    Guess what came out of my mouth?

    “2 regular slices and a coke please”

  130. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Pat M, I’m sorry then…….The only other place I really go is NYYFans.com. I’ve been on that board for years, so although I often don’t share the majority view (and sometimes it seems as if many of them hate the Yankees and are inclined to blame them for everything that goes wrong, a la Joba), it’s a habit with me.

  131. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    I’d be more concerned if Randy Levine went to Cashman and Hal and said, “No matter what it takes, we MUST sign Jeff Francis. He’s LH, fans on blogs want him, and we need a starter. We have to do something. Fans demand it. We can then tell Andy Pettitte to kiss off”.

    If he did something like that, THEN you have something to worry about.

    Since that didn’t happen, all this drama over the Soriano stuff is much ado about nothing to me.

  132. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    SJ, well I agree that a collaborative process is good because the more input you have from people, the more educated your final opinion can be. If one guy is running the show, he could have a bad thought and no one around to talk him out of it.

  133. Betsy January 27th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    I’m eager to see how Soriano does; he seems like an interesting guy for one – and if Mo is confident in him, then I am. I trust Mo as much as anyone.

  134. pat January 27th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    JeffPassan This is crazy: The only division in baseball with three $100M-plus payrolls this year is … the American League Central? Twins, Sox, Tigers

    $7 Billion dollar industry, payrolls are being cut and the commissioner is pushing slotting. Michael Weiner must have that confused puppy look on his face.

  135. West Coast Yankee Fan January 27th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Have to agree with Pat M. Agree or disagree, there is no question in my mind that this is the best baseball blog in existence by far, with more knowledgeable and informed fans than anywhere else. It may be the best sports blog period.

  136. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Randy,

    They have a backup plan in place. All of the young arms in the organization and staying flexible until something good comes along.

    Plus, if you heard what they heard from the Lee Camp for almost a year, the question would have been, “why not wait on the guy”?

    Stuff happens and you deal with it.

    Knowing what I know about the young arms currently in the organization, I just don’t see the situation as being as dire as you do.

    Especially if Larry Rothchild can get AJ back to pitching up to his capabilities.

  137. Doreen January 27th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    pat -

    So, where’s the money going?

  138. JoeyA January 27th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Jorge De La Rose

    Did we even make a run at this guy while we were guaranteed to get Lee?

    He seems like the only available pitcher this offseason we missed out on due to Lee/Pettitte.

  139. randy l. January 27th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    another thing.

    if the yankees did not sign soriano as cashman wanted, where would the yankees be right now ?

    what was cashman going to do, just figure it out on the fly.

    it seems a no brainer to sign soriano despite the cost.

  140. mick January 27th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Have to agree with Pat M. Agree or disagree, there is no question in my mind that this is the best baseball blog in existence by far,
    ======================
    Could it be the format? Most other blogs seem to have much less of an interactive format.

  141. G. Love January 27th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    I agree with Randy.

    There were some of us on the blog last year clamoring for a starter after Lee went to Texas and we realized 2/5ths of the rotation was awful and 1/5th was injured and possibly close to retirement.

    That’s 3 starting pitchers they had to worry about. It was very apparent last season that this rotation problem was coming. It was just expected that Cliff Lee would put the band aid on the problem and a front 3 of CC, Lee and Hughes would have made it all ok.

    To me, it was too much risk. There was no guarantee that Lee was coming here and Andy possibly retiring (and AJ stinking) meant the team needed pitching.

    Heck, even in the post season we were a starter short and Girardi was forced to start AJ with no other choice.

    I can’t give the front office a pass for not acquiring a starter in July of last year. I don’t know what deals were out there and who was really available.

    That said, a lot of starting pitching has been dealt around the league since then and we haven’t gotten any of it. Whether it’s the prospect cost or the fact that the team didn’t think any of it was good enough for Yankee stadium, the fact remains that they needed a starter way before this off season started.

    I know they’ll fix the team and maybe a kid will rise to the occasion.

    It’s what we have to hope for. Because if AJ stinks again and Nova has some growing pains and isn’t a rotation regular, the team has 2 pitchers if Andy doesn’t return and a lot of wishing and hoping for the best.

    I’m not blaming Cashman solely. Maybe he presented the owners with other options and they turned them down.

    All I know is we are 2 pitchers short right now in my eyes in the rotation. Andy coming back allows us to gamble on the 5 spot.

    I’m just not convinced that AJ will have some kind of huge bounce back season. As far as he goes, I’ll believe it when I see it.

  142. randy l. January 27th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    it’s got to dawn on someone in the yankee hierarchy that had they followed cashman’s plan to not sign soriano they’d be a much weaker team.

  143. JoeyA January 27th, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    SJ-

    I always wanted your take on the organizations opinion of their chances of landing Lee leading up to him signing.

    Was the Lee camp just using the Yanks? One minute he would have loved being here, next it’s his 3rd choice. Was the AL vs NL variable a major part?

    Im just wondering how mislead the Yankee organization was during the Lee situation.

  144. BD (Boston Dave) January 27th, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    There is absolutely no flexibility for the Yankees in the Soriano contract. That’s because they are PLAYER options.

    Flexibility would have been MUTUAL options.

    It’s a bad idea for the Yankees. It could work out, and I sure hope it does.

    But anyone suggesting that player options are a great idea from the team’s perspective is fooling themselves.

  145. pat January 27th, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    Doreen

    Stadium financing? International academies? Owners Bank accounts? All of the above?

    The next CBA could get VERY interesting because I’m sure the MLBPA will want to know where it’s going.

  146. rodg12 January 27th, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    # mick January 27th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Have to agree with Pat M. Agree or disagree, there is no question in my mind that this is the best baseball blog in existence by far,
    ======================
    Could it be the format? Most other blogs seem to have much less of an interactive format.
    ——————————————————-
    I’d say it’s mostly do to the quality of the posters.

    I do like how this comments section flows though. Can easily read it beginning to end to get caught up on everything. Less is more in this regard, IMO. Blogs that allow you to reply to certain comments (like this one did for the short time) make the comments impossible to follow. I also prefer the oldest to newest flow that this has as opposed to many sites going newest to oldest.

  147. TheStraw January 27th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    I agree that this is the best blog with the exception of during a game.

    I also go to NYYFans a faior amount, but the postings there are sometimes a little to sabremetrically heavy and short on common sense. Also, there is more name calling there, believe it or not.

  148. blake January 27th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    SJ,

    One thing that I’ve wondered about the Lee situation that you may be able to shed some light on…..why did he want to go back there so badly?

    I understand that they have a good team, that he wanted to pitch with Doc, that maybe he likes to hit etc……but they traded him against his will to Seattle and made him move and change teams twice in favor of pursuing another pitcher. Im just saying that would have ticked me off a little….Did they have some sort of conversation when they traded him about possibly re-signing later? Just seemed curious to me…

  149. Doreen January 27th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    pat -

    Indeed.

  150. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Jesus saves, but can we save Jesus?

    I would like to think so…

  151. West Coast Yankee Fan January 27th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    mick January 27th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Have to agree with Pat M. Agree or disagree, there is no question in my mind that this is the best baseball blog in existence by far,
    ======================
    Could it be the format? Most other blogs seem to have much less of an interactive format.

    ********************

    I think you are right, the format is excellent. (I do wish there was a delete or edit button for your posts in case you make a mistake). But it starts with the number and quality of posts that Chad and Sam write.

  152. mick January 27th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    How did we win a WS in 09 with the staff we had?
    If not for AJ having an out of character year, yes even for him, would there be all this clamor?
    Would having Andy back make everybody feel better?
    Is that all it takes?
    A 39 year old with maybe one year left is the difference maker.
    People need to get a grip.
    There is life after 2011. There is youth. There are free agents in the future.
    Why all the tumult?!?

  153. TheStraw January 27th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    BD-

    I’m not suggesting it is a great contract. I’m merely saying, that given the uncertainty regarding MO because of his age and the amount of $AAV that Soriano commanded, it was preferable to inking Soriano toa long-term guaranteed contract at this point.

  154. LGY January 27th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    randy,

    To be honest, once Cashman was done at the bar and decided to hang out for a bit, going up to him and trying to strike up more than just a few word exchange crossed my mind and I was tempted to do so. But, he sat down at a table with what seemed like a few of his friends and people kept coming up to him every minute or two for a picture and one guy actually did basically try to ask him how to apply for a job.

    Generally I am just not comfortable with that sort of thing. Even if Robinson Cano or A-Rod walked into the bar I would let them be and not bother them. I would have enjoyed having a real conversation with him, but I was enjoying myself and I wanted to let him enjoy himself with his friends as well. Does that make sense?

  155. Against All Odds January 27th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    # randy l. January 27th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    sj-

    cashman knew two years ago pettitte could retire at any time. he knew wang was gone a year ago. he knew vazquez wasn’t going to work by the trading deadline.

    why did he put all his eggs in the cliff lee basket?

    surely there were moves to be made in the last two years to prepare for this time.

    in other words, it’s not a surprise the yankees are in this situation. cashman had to know he was thin in starters.

    —————————————-

    Good point Randy the Yankees were put in a situation where it was Lee or bust. Cashman is not at fault for Lee going to the Phillies but he takes the blame for them being in the situation they are in. Think about it this way a couple of yrs after getting CC a lefty ace the Yankees were back on their hands and knees in dire need for another lefty ace because w/o him the rotation would be in “shambles”

  156. blake January 27th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    LGY,

    come on now….you know good and well how badly you wanted to go ask him how he felt about Joba’s sabermetrics. ;)

  157. Doreen January 27th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    I’ve visited a couple of other blogs, too. And believe it or not, this is definitely the most civil.

    First of all, it helps that the “language” remains, for lack of a better word, “clean.” No gratuitous use of really ugly words.

    And as contentious, cantankerous and disagreeable as some of us get at times, an equilibrium always seems to return. People take “blog-cations” when they reach an overload, and come back.

    There are some ongoing Hatfield/McCoy type feuds, but even those don’t end up degenerating the entire blog (for long, anyway).

    I also think it helps that other subject matter is fair game here. I know not everyone likes the little trivia breaks, but I think they’re necessary to the health of the blog. It fills in the blank space when you absolutely cannot bear another word about subject “x.” It also takes away a little of the anonymity of a blog. And that helps the atmosphere to be mostly civil, too.

  158. sportsvoiceinmyhead January 27th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    I hope the Yankees give the young pitchers a shot.

  159. West Coast Yankee Fan January 27th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    I actually agree with LGY. Living in Los Angeles one sees celebs on almost a daily basis. The great majority of people that live here leave them alone and respect their right to go about their business. It’s the right thing to do. With the exception of the pros like TMZ, etc.

  160. Bronx Jeers January 27th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    While I don’t think these guys read the blogs or make decisions like Soriano based on fan reaction I don’t think they could afford not to spend the money they saved when Cliff Lee passed.

    The wallet-opening/season-ticket holding fanbase would probably freak if the Yanks rolled into 2011 with a $180MM payroll. And by freak I mean they’d hang onto their money a little tighter.

  161. sportsvoiceinmyhead January 27th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Letter to Brian Cashman, the future is now a must read specially the end. http://bit.ly/guRJBS

  162. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Lee wasn’t using the Yankees.

    He told CC enough times how badly he wanted to be in NY.

    I think what happened was, the longer the thing dragged out, doubts/concerns crept into his wife’s head about coming to NY.

    I also think, on the part of both Texas and the Yankees (although Chuck Greenberg would never admit it), they bgwm to get nervous about the money and years.

    Even though Philadelphia offered a higher AAV, it still represented more of a compromise choice for the Lee’s.

    It’s not like his agent gave the Yankees a chance to top the Phillies offer. They got it and they went with it.

    In the end, I think Lee tired of the process, got a deal he liked from the Phillies, and took the path of least resistance. His right to do as a FA.

    The entire process for his services was just weird from the get go.

    It’s almost as if the game his agent was playing was more important than the result.

    But hey, what’s done is done and you move on.

  163. randy l. January 27th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    “Especially if Larry Rothchild can get AJ back to pitching up to his capabilities.”

    this actually a huge variable.

    i agree if aj is back to normal, the yankees could roll the dice with the last two spots in the rotation.

    the problem is it’s 50/50 at best he’ll make it back.

    what’s the back up plan for the 50 % chance aj sucks again ?

    the yankees won’t know if aj sucks until the 4-5 starts into the season. how do they add someone at the end of april. team aren’t exactly trying to trade guys then.

    shouldn’t the yankees have a guy ready to jump in if aj is bad and it’s early may?

    the yankees can’t have two young guys in the rotation and then add another young guy to fill in for aj while he was shoved sideways out of the rotation.

  164. TheStraw January 27th, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    I think much of the uncertainty in the rotation is due to the way the Vazquez deal played out. Javy was supposed to be that guy who stabilized our rotation as a number 3 or 4 solid starter and provided insurance. Had he done that last year, he would’ve been re-inked to a new deal this year and Andy’s status would have been less of a concern. Cash, while taking a chance on the Javy deal, had no way to know that Javy’s arm strength and velocity would drop off so precipitously as they did.

  165. upstate kate January 27th, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    Blake
    IMNSHO (I learned that from Chip!!!) part of the reason for Lee going to the Phillies is it is easier to pitch in the NL. And, with that pitching staff, perhaps it seemed an easier route to the WS than thru the AL east. Not to mention all the admiration he would get in certain places for turning down the Yankees…that is my story and I am sticking to it!

  166. LGY January 27th, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    The funny part is that a baseball player actually did show up towards the end of Cashman’s thing last night. Steve Garvey and a few friends got a table and suddenly Cash wasn’t the biggest name there.

  167. Against All Odds January 27th, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    # sportsvoiceinmyhead January 27th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    I hope the Yankees give the young pitchers a shot.

    ————————————————————-

    Only until they struggle then…

  168. mick January 27th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Everybody is pencilling in the Phillies to go to the WS but , all things being equal, they still have to go through that Giant pitching staff.
    Even if they had lee last year, they would not have beaten the Giants.

  169. blake January 27th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Kate,

    Yea I don’t doubt that a bit. We see all the time how pitcher’s numbers take a jump.when they move from AL to NL…..heck we even saw it with Doc last year.

  170. blake January 27th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Im not giving the Phillies anything. Their staff is obviously awesome but their lineup is very left handed and aging and their bullpen is suspect as usual. The NL has a lot of teams with good pitching.

  171. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Straw,

    Very true.

    If Javy worked out, the Yankees would have had more appealing options.

    Take the Red Sox for example.

    They have three rotation question marks. Bucket, Lackey, and Dice-K.

    They have nobody in AA or AAA that are viable options.

    Their swing guy is Tim Wakefield. Great guy but, 43 with a chronically bad back.

    They have big time limitations if 3/5 of their rotation question marks aren’t answered in the affirmative.

    They are no perfect teams or perfect solution to every question mark.

    Sometimes, you just have to play the hand you are dealt and make the best of it.

  172. mick January 27th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    the problem is it’s 50/50 at best he’ll make it back.
    =================================
    randy

    isn’t it possible aj had a bad stretch. pitchers have off years. he seems the tempermental, emotional, oversensitive type. this is not good for a pitcher but i think he can overcome this and learn from this experience.

  173. SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Damn iPad. It’s “Beckett” and not “Bucket”.

  174. blake January 27th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Beckett, Lackey, and the Boston pen will be more critical to their success than Crawford and Gonzalez. If those things aren’t better then having a better LFer and 1B wont matter.

  175. upstate kate January 27th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    I liked “Bucket” better

  176. BD (Boston Dave) January 27th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    The straw,

    It’s not guaranteed though.

    It’s only guaranteed if Soriano wants it to be.

    It has the potential to be a horrible contract. That’s all. There is NO upside to giving player options unless for some reason it’s a must to close the deal for an elite player (like CC.)

    It was a bad idea but hopefully Sori pitches great, opts out, and the Yanks don’t get burned.

  177. Patrick January 27th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    SJ44,

    I prefer Bucket

  178. sportsvoiceinmyhead January 27th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Against All Odds

    I just feel that they keep throwing good money after bad.

    Irabu,Jeff Weaver, Jose Contreras,Kevin Brown, Jaret Wright, Randy Johnson, Carl Povano, Javi Vasquez Twice some say AJ (I dont think so he can still pitch).

    They have all struggled then.. You move on.

  179. sportsvoiceinmyhead January 27th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    Against All Odds

    OHHH… and KEI IGAWA.. Now Bartolo Colon..

    Im ready for the Future

  180. TheStraw January 27th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    BD-

    Why are you foreclosing the possibility he could opt out and return to Yanks on a new deal if the situation warrants it?

  181. randy l. January 27th, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    “I would have enjoyed having a real conversation with him, but I was enjoying myself and I wanted to let him enjoy himself with his friends as well. Does that make sense?”

    lgy-

    i think in situations like that you just want to get close to the action and wing it. if it doesn’t feel right you let it go as you did. but one thing i have learned is that you have to practice doing things that are uncomfortable.

    going up to cano or arod isn’t going to help you get a job. being around cashman could. the more you practice talking with someone who is a celebrity or someone important the better you’d get at it.

    on new years day, i went out to play golf and walking up to the first tee, i ran into a retired cbs news anchor i knew enough to say hi to. he would have rather had me play ahead of them .

    i just dismissed that by saying there was a group ahead and played with him and his wife. we had a really nice time playing together and he shot his best round ever with me giving him some advice on a few occasions where it helped. you have to have confidence in yourself that you have something to offer and practice getting that out in front of people who can help you.

    but i agree that you have to pick your spots. be ready for them though because they come up when you least expect them.

  182. TheStraw January 27th, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Irabu and Contreras were foreign players and as such were a known gamble. Irabu turned out to be bad, but some would argue Contreras was moved prematurely.

    Brown and the Big Unit were a case of getting them 3-5 years too late.

    Weaver, Javy and Pavano were good deals on paper, but didn’t play out that way.

    Wright was the only truly bad deal out of the ones mentioned by sportsvoice.

  183. randy l. January 27th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    ‘Damn iPad. It’s “Beckett” and not “Bucket”. ‘

    sj44-

    i’m laughing because i’m still trying to get the hang of one too. even on my mackbook pro with ” correct spelling automatically” i get some very weird sentences. that’s how i got” barstool colon” yesterday.

    they really need to get flash on the next ipad. when they do i’m getting one.

  184. Bronx Jeers January 27th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Boomer Wells was a chronic sufferer of barstool colon.

  185. rodg12 January 27th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    # SJ44 January 27th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Damn iPad. It’s “Beckett” and not “Bucket”.
    ————————————–
    LOL. Now I know why it keeps coming up as A’s and not as…

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