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Long and Jeter making things simple in Tampa

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 28, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Great stuff from my friend Ben Shpigel, who went down to Tampa to check in with Kevin Long during his three-day batting cage session with Derek Jeter.

Using Paul Molitor as something of a guide, Long has worked to simplify Jeter’s mechanics by — most significantly — eliminating Jeter’s stride. Shpigel notes that the change is similar to the adjustment Molitor made as he got older. Molitor hit .341 as a 39-year-old in 1996, one year after he hitting .270 (the same thing Jeter hit last season).

“It would have been asinine for me to go in and try to change him before,” Long said. “He’s been so good for so long, what really needed to be done? … Now, he starts to get jammed a little more. Maybe his bat slows down just a hair, but that’s significant. We can say age all we want, but I’m not buying into that. I think if we fix this, that age factor dissipates.”

Long and Jeter started working on these changes back in September — at the prodding of Joe Girardi — and the early results were encouraging. They’ve spent the past three days continuing that work, and they’ll dive into it again when Jeter reports to spring training in a few weeks. The whole story is a really nice read, something concrete during these days of speculation and rumor.

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80 Responses to “Long and Jeter making things simple in Tampa”

  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 28th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    repost

    Wave, I don’t see anything in that controversial at all! Of course he’s happy Lee went to the other league. Geeze how many moves do the Yanks and Sux make to keep players from each other? So he said so. No big deal.

  2. Betsy January 28th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Boy, every other word out of Swisher’s mouth is “man”…………

    If Andy comes back, then our rotation looks a lot better, although we can’t assume he’ll pitch like he did last year. Still, I never underestimate Andy.

  3. Wave Your Hat January 28th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    repost-

    Sorry guys and this is the last comment I’m going to make on it because really who cares, and I know we are all Yankee fans here, but I think the only way to see Greenberg’s comments as anti-Yankee is through Yankee glasses with a big Yankee shoulder chip besides.

  4. MTU January 28th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    I will be very, very happy if Jeter hits .341 after these changes.

    Heck. I’ll settle for a nice round number – .300

    :)

  5. Jerkface January 28th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Wave,

    I just disagree. Saying Lee only went to the Phillies because of the Rangers is just weird.

  6. Doreen January 28th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Wave Your Hat -

    I’ll concede that. But we are Yankees fans who filter things through that lens.

  7. Betsy January 28th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    SJ, can you respond to ANY of my posts without that snotty condescension ? IF you don’t like my posts and can’t stand my opinions, then simply don’t answer me. Don’t give me a paternalistic “I’m not surprised you would have that opinion” or whatever it is you said. This is reaching ridiculous proportions. Am I or am I not allowed to have an opinion that, yes, is DIFFERENT than yours. Don’t bother answering that. If you want to have a conversation, then fine. Otherwise, let’s just stay out of each other’s way. As long as I’m here, I’m going to post what I like.

    As to Chuck Greenberg, you can have whatever opinion you choose. I think the guy is an idiot to say what he said, but I do not think those are inflammatory comments. Anyone listening to him who has half a brain or who isn’t a Rangers fan knows what he said was moronic. So I still don’t think Levine needed to respond.

  8. MTU January 28th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Jerkface-

    Maybe Greenberg ate too much bacon.

    Or not enough.

    :)

  9. AldotheApache January 28th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Good signs!

    trisha – true pinstriped blue, my favorite Yankees fan, is back !

    Spring training must be right around the corner!

  10. MTU January 28th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Aldo-

    It can’t come soon enough.

    ;)

  11. Doreen January 28th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    By the way, I’m conceding the point that we see things through our Yankee bias.

  12. Wave Your Hat January 28th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    So how about that Brett Gardner? Is he a great outfielder or what?

  13. MTU January 28th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    WYH-

    Almost as good as Mercedes Gullwing but not quite.

    :)

  14. Jerkface January 28th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Why even involve the yankees in those comments?

  15. MTU January 28th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    edit: “as a”

  16. Betsy January 28th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Wave, I didn’t think they were a big deal. Silly and moronic? Yes……..something to get worked up over? No way.. Who cares if Rangers fans buy into what he said? Do we care what they think? He needs to move on from Lee because Lee has moved on from him.

  17. Jerkface January 28th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    He sets the stakes: If we don’t have another meeting with Cliff Lee, he will be a Yankee!
    Then he says what the rangers did: We had another meeting, prying open the door!
    Then the resolution: We created the opportunity that led to him playing for the phillies!

    Super weird comment to make at a fanfest where you lost the player you said you would do anything to retain.

  18. Pat M. January 28th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    After reading this piece, I wish I had found a few more pigeons to enroll into my over / under .270 program……

  19. Wave Your Hat January 28th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    “Why even involve the yankees in those comments?”

    It would be kind of strange to leave them out since it was a three team horse race.

    Let’s drop the subject, I think we’ve explored it more than it warrants already.

  20. Nick in SF January 28th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Who is putting money on under .270????

    I want some.

  21. Jerkface January 28th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    It would be kind of strange to leave them out since it was a three team horse race.

    Let’s drop the subject, I think we’ve explored it more than it warrants already.

    One more thing, if he had said, “We tried our best but didn’t sign Lee, at least he didn’t go to the Yankees.” Instead he added an adversarial slant where they specifically foiled the Yankees. Even though they didn’t, the Phillies did.

  22. Jerkface January 28th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    It would have been fine if he had said.

  23. Pat M. January 28th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Brit Andy Murray is starting to melt in the Australian summer heat…..

  24. Wave Your Hat January 28th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    “After reading this piece, I wish I had found a few more pigeons to enroll into my over / under .270 program……”

    I don’t like the under on .270. Feels like the wrong move. However, the over/under on a .760 OPS is a tougher call.

  25. Doreen January 28th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Jerkface -

    Exactly. It was just weird. And unnecessary.

  26. 108 stitches January 28th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Albert Pujols looking for $300M / 8 years according to reports.
    Doubtful that St. Louis will talk that kind of money but he’ll get north of $250M from somebody.
    Also, nothing is etched in stone with Adrian Gonzalez signing long term with Boston. He and his agent could re-think signing beyond 2011 until they see what Pujols gets. He’s a fool if he signs on the cheap with Boston. He’ll clearly want more than Crawford money.

  27. Wave Your Hat January 28th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Have fun all. Gotta run.

  28. Pat M. January 28th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Hat …..How why would I take something this simple and take money out of my pocket…..But I’ll take that bet Hat, I’ll take the overs based on 150 ab’s

  29. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 28th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    I guess it really doesn’t bother me at all if someone thinks they foiled the Yankees or didn’t. In fact power to the Yankees that other teams care enough to foil them! And if they want to say it, so much more so. He can say what he wants to his fans. They came off a rather large drought and did some nifty things in the playoffs. They’re feeling their oats. It’s all good. A little posturing never hurt anybody, especially the one with the biggest cachet.

    It’s really not a huge deal. That said, I didn’t read what Levine said because I just a minute ago saw this part of it.

  30. J. Alfred Prufrock January 28th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Anyone listening to him who has half a brain or who isn’t a Rangers fan knows what he said was moronic. So I still don’t think Levine needed to respond.
    ////
    Levine is getting an awful lot of front of camera time these days & that’s regrettable cos he’s not a sympathetic figure & not at all likeable,at least not to this yank fan.I would rather bigmouth Hank had shot back,but someone DID need to shoot back at what’s coming out of Texas.That screwball is just trying to avert attention from his own failure to re-ink Cliff Lee,who the Rangers will suck without IMO.

  31. Betsy January 28th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    J Alfred, I guess I just don’t see it as a big deal, but reasonable people can disagree.

  32. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 28th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    I don’t see it as a big deal at all. The man thinks he did a certain thing and he said so. Where is the harm? What are Yankee fans made of glass? The guy does a little bragging at a fan rally. I’m pretty stunned by the reaction here. Who cares what he says? Seriously. If it’s his opinion that he foiled the Yankees, let him state it. You dont have to agree. Geesh.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock January 28th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    yea Betsy I agree it’s not a big deal like thoughtful choices for the rotation is a big deal,but you do get sick of people like this crowing they did something to help take down the yanks especially since he FAILED to get lee resigned & yet is taking bows.you could argue I guess that the idiot is better ignored than validated by a protest from the Bronx,too though,so I’ll give ya that.

  34. J. Alfred Prufrock January 28th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    trish you & betsy do have a point,you just get tired of the anti-yank conspiracy & the expected pat on the back from the rest of the world every time someone criticizes us.

  35. Betsy January 28th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    J Alfred, but that’s just it – people who have brains in their heads know that he sounds like a doofus. He was directing his comments to TX fans, to make them feel better that although they didn’t get Lee, the Yankees didn’t either. It doesn’t say much for him or the fanbase that they feel that way, lol. I like it when Randy has snapped in response to people like Mark Attanasio, the Brewer’s owner, who continually complains about the Yankees…….IMO, they deserve it. Greenberg’s comments, to me, though, were harmless fluff.

  36. Jerkface January 28th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Where is the harm? What are Yankee fans made of glass? The guy does a little bragging at a fan rally. I’m pretty stunned by the reaction here. Who cares what he says? Seriously. If it’s his opinion that he foiled the Yankees, let him state it. You dont have to agree. Geesh.

    There is no harm, but if he says something stupid I agree with the Yankees tweaking him back. Where is the harm in THAT? I like a fiesty Yankee team that doesn’t brook crap from podunk owners.

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock January 28th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Good to see Jetes going at it & I like the mumurs that Andy will be back. ST just around the corner :D.

  38. Nick in SF January 28th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    It’s not particularly a big deal, it was just a petty shot to take.

    The Yanks happen to have someone on staff that does petty shots well: Randy Levine.

  39. J. Alfred Prufrock January 28th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Betsy,point taken,maybe he looks dumber when his comments are flapping in the breeze & dismissed as unworthy of response.

  40. MTU January 28th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    What people say and what they do are 2 different things.

    IMO, we can answer the Rangers, or anyone else with what we do.

    On the field. That’s what matters. Not some BS that comes out of the mouth of some overated executive with an agenda.

    Remember the look on Ryan’s face when the Giants were smothering the Rangers ?

    That was priceless. Way better than meaningless insults IMO.

    That’s the answer for the Greenbergs of the World.

    :)

  41. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 28th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    “It’s not particularly a big deal, it was just a petty shot to take.

    The Yanks happen to have someone on staff that does petty shots well: Randy Levine”

    :)

    Sounds like a wash to me!

    Good night all. Off to see Blue Valentine.

  42. pat January 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    It’s snowing again. :sad:

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock January 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    yea you get the feeling Levine wants to be a star now.Loudmouth cigarette sucking Hank has some humanity to offer at least.

  44. Nick in SF January 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Furthermore, if it’s Texas Team Owner vs. Yankee Team Executive, that’s a win for us too.

  45. MTU January 28th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Next time Greenerg opens his mouth about the Yankees let’s just send him a photo of a dead Deer.

    That should take care of it.

    ;)

  46. bardos January 28th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Some pitchers age well. Some don’t. Mussina is an example of one who did. Lost his velocity but had lots of smarts to re-invent himself. I think Andy is built along those lines.

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock January 28th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    On the field. That’s what matters. Not some BS that comes out of the mouth of some overated executive with an agenda.

    ///
    yea when I think about my house I prefer not to dwell on my septic tank.Levine should remain hidden,he makes the yanks unlikeable.

  48. Nick in SF January 28th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Levine is good at dirty work — such as this.

  49. Doreen January 28th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    I do believe Nick in SF has found Levine’s value to the Yankees!!!

    Returner of pot-shots.

    :)

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock January 28th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    haha Andy is a bull.I can still see him chewing out the HP ump in 2009 Game Six for giving him grief on pitches he shoulda got.

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock January 28th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    Nick in SF January 28th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
    Levine is good at dirty work — such as this.
    ////
    so’s my septic tank,but I don’t want to hear from it or look inside it.

  52. West Coast Yankee Fan January 28th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Love that Jeter/Kevin Long article! Hope he kills this year and shows all the naysayers here.

  53. J. Alfred Prufrock January 28th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Does anyone know if there’s a YES schedule yet for ST broadcasts?

  54. Pat M. January 28th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    MTU…….Your deer comment has me in stitches

  55. Nick in SF January 28th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    I hope that comment wasn’t meant to telegraph some lame comment every time Derek Jeter gets a hit this season.

    But I fear it was.

  56. J. Alfred Prufrock January 28th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    WCYF – you gotta realize Jeter doesn’t know of or care about anonymous internet bloggers who dream & hope for his failures.he has his own expectations to meet & even defy.

  57. West Coast Yankee Fan January 28th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    No Nick, but the archives will be a fun playground if he hits over .300 for the season.

  58. West Coast Yankee Fan January 28th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Alfred, IMO he has a tremendous amount of pride, I am sure he is burning inside to excel this season for his own purposes.

  59. Nick in SF January 28th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Are any regular commenters on the record hoping that Jeter hits under .300?

    I hope he hits .350 and wins the MVP.

    Mr. Prufrock, is there a sub-class of anonymous internet bloggers that Jeter does know or care about?

  60. pat January 28th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    “IMO he has a tremendous amount of pride, I am sure he is burning inside to excel this season for his own purposes.”

    Doesn’t that imply last year he had less pride or didn’t care as much?

  61. J. Alfred Prufrock January 28th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    yea I’m not too worried about a Jeter bounce back & am not surprised by his usual humility in tackling what needs work.guy just wants to win.

  62. yankeefeminista January 28th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    JAP, I posted the links as per your question regarding ST games, but it is awaiting moderation b/c of the yankee.com links. But yes, sched is up, and first two games, both on TV begin on Feb 26th, 27th. Many games are televised. Almost there! :)

  63. J. Alfred Prufrock January 28th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    no Nick the bloggers need no such qualification to be unknown to him.

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock January 28th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    YF – that is awesome on those two games in late Feb.another month is about my limit ;).Thanks.

  65. Bronx Jeers January 28th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    I look forward to not believing the game is over when the Yanks find themselves down 4 runs and then being incorrectly labeled a sycophant.

  66. Doreen January 28th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Why is it so important for some people to prove they were right or to prove other people were wrong?

    I wasn’t aware this blog was some sort of competition?

    Is there anyone keep stats? Is there a prize?

    I think it’s incredibly juvenile.

    The archives.

  67. Nick in SF January 28th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    yankeefeminista, LoHud only allows a single link per post.

  68. yankeefeminista January 28th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Thanks, Nick.

    Here is the March link then: http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....038;y=2011

    We have a game to watch in 29 days. (I need a “jumpy” emoticon.) :)

  69. yankeefeminista January 28th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    Actually double links posted above. So, Feb sched also available. All two games of it.

  70. Nick in SF January 28th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Mr. Prufrock, your comments are based on a fiction: that commenters such as Jerkface and LGY and Rich in NJ are rooting for Jeter to fail. This goes along with the false premise that anyone who didn’t want Jeter to get a pay raise along with a long contract hated him.

    There are a few outliers who comment on this blog who do seem to hate Jeter, but they are not the same regulars who had strong opinions about his contract.

    I won’t even get into your stated reason for signing up with this blog.

    Whether it’s a deliberate fiction or just muddled thinking I do not know, but you seem to enjoy trying to push their buttons as much as it might appear they enjoy pushing yours.

    Why is that?

  71. Jerkface January 28th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Let the archives show I was for 3 years 45 mil. Also I think I won the blog the last 2 years. The prize was underwhelming.

  72. Nick in SF January 28th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    My prediction rate went down with Randy Winn’s non-awesomeness and down further when Cliff Lee went to the Phillies.

    Thank goodness for Carl Crawford and Jayson Werth.

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock January 28th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    yankeefeminista January 28th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
    Thanks, Nick.

    Here is the March link then: http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com…..038;y=2011

    We have a game to watch in 29 days. (I need a “jumpy” emoticon.)
    ///
    thanks a heap YF. Can’t wait!

  74. mick January 28th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    Betsy January 28th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    SJ, can you respond to ANY of my posts without that snotty condescension ? IF you don’t like my posts and can’t stand my opinions, then simply don’t answer me. Don’t give me a paternalistic “I’m not surprised you would have that opinion” or whatever it is you said. This is reaching ridiculous proportions. Am I or am I not allowed to have an opinion that, yes, is DIFFERENT than yours. Don’t bother answering that. If you want to have a conversation, then fine. Otherwise, let’s just stay out of each other’s way. As long as I’m here, I’m going to post what I like.
    =======================================================
    This is the reason why you are faced with such indignity on this blog. You take everything personally. Using the word “paternalistic” emphasizes your resentment toward authority. You stated so recently, how your father corrects you at the dinner table. Sorry, how a 40 something “adult”, still acts this way. Adolescent is the better word. You are getting less and less response to your harangues here and so it might serve you well to find another forum for your incessant angst. But you won’t. Cling to your new cronies here who agree with you, but that’s no fun.
    Your act is tired. Have a nice day.

  75. J. Alfred Prufrock January 28th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Nick in SF January 28th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
    Mr. Prufrock, your comments are based on a fiction: that commenters such as Jerkface and LGY and Rich in NJ are rooting for Jeter to fail. This goes along with the false premise that anyone who didn’t want Jeter to get a pay raise along with a long contract hated him.

    There are a few outliers who comment on this blog who do seem to hate Jeter, but they are not the same regulars who had strong opinions about his contract.

    I won’t even get into your stated reason for signing up with this blog.

    Whether it’s a deliberate fiction or just muddled thinking I do not know, but you seem to enjoy trying to push their buttons as much as it might appear they enjoy pushing yours.

    Why is that?
    ///
    Their comments speak for themselves. One was,IIRC “I admit I don’t like Jeter. Why should I have to like Jeter?”Judge for yourself & I won’t try to interpret for you what I think you should think was intended,nor am I all that interested in your translations of what I already read.

  76. Nick in SF January 28th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    When they said that they wanted Jeter to come back, I did judge for myself.

    How very odd.

  77. Doreen January 28th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    Jerkface -

    LOL

    Sorry to hear the prize was underwhelming. ;)

  78. BIG AL January 28th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    I guess Andy coming back is a done deal, if Jon Heyman says it’s so, we can take it to the back.

    The West Coast Savings and Loan that is.

  79. BIG AL January 28th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    bank – not back

  80. LGY January 28th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    :arrow:

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