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Cashman: Montero can catch at the big league level

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 29, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

In a good question and answer session with Josh Norris, Brian Cashman once again said the Yankees believe Jesus Montero can catch at the big league level. In fact, Cashman said Montero is already better than some of the catchers in the Majors.

“The minor leagues is (where you) work out your problems,” Cashman said, “and he’s certainly closing the gap. He’s not there yet, but he’s pretty damn close. We believe he’s better than some starting catchers, defensively, in the big leagues right now.”

Check out the full interview over at Josh’s Minor Matters blog. Cashman discussed his drafting strategy, his dedication to building a top-rate scouting department and the value of developing talent.

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164 Responses to “Cashman: Montero can catch at the big league level”

  1. Betsy January 29th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    It sounded to me like Cash would prefer Montero polish up in AAA; he won’t get a real chance to do that here because how often does a BUC play?

  2. kd January 29th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    if cashman is actually telling the truth, then the entire tone of the off season changes a bit. that bat could make a huge difference

  3. Betsy January 29th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    Interesting stuff on Towers – I’m sorry he’s not here anymore, but he deserved another GM’s job.

  4. Against All Odds January 29th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    # kd January 29th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    if cashman is actually telling the truth, then the entire tone of the off season changes a bit. that bat could make a huge difference

    ——————————————

    Until they trade him

  5. Betsy January 29th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    They’re not trading Montero. Why does everyone assume they’re going to do that – the only players he’s been offered up for were aces like Halladay and Lee. Also, he’s just a kid; I’m not going to assume that he’s going to be a huge impact bat for us this year. He will likely do some good things, but like all youngsters, he’ll struggle.

  6. Rich in NJ January 29th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    As I have said, what they do with Montero will be a like an IQ test.

  7. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    It doesn’t change a thing from the day they signed Martin. The chances of the Yankees giving the statting catching job to Montero as a rookie with zero MLB experience was as thin as tissue paper unless there were injuries. No Yankee rookie catcher has gotten the starting job since Thurman Munson and even he had a few MLB games before that. Bill Dic key and Yogi Berra broke in as back-ups. It took Ellie Howard 7 years to get the full time job.

  8. Against All Odds January 29th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    # Betsy January 29th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    They’re not trading Montero. Why does everyone assume they’re going to do that – the only players he’s been offered up for were aces like Halladay and Lee. Also, he’s just a kid; I’m not going to assume that he’s going to be a huge impact bat for us this year. He will likely do some good things, but like all youngsters, he’ll struggle.

    ——————————————–

    One word: desperation. They were going to give Montero to the M’s for a two month rental of Lee. This occurred when the starters in the rotation were pitching well. I would rather see him with the Yankees though.

  9. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Betsy -

    You’re right, Montero will most likely struggle, like he did when he went from AA to AAA, but, once he adjusted to the next level, he tore things up. The learning curve may be a bit longer coming to the ML, but, I for one believe he’s the real deal.

  10. tyanksfan36 January 29th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    I think maybe they’ll do what the Giants did with Bengie Molina and Buster Posey in 2010. They left Posey in AAA for the first part of the season and moved him up as the back up. When they were sure he could handle it they traded Molina and Posey got the starting job. Not saying that will be the case but they could bring him up in June, ket him start a few games so he is getting regular action and go from there.

  11. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    GB7 -

    When Montero comes up, I’d like to see him catch twice a week, and DH 1 or 2 times a week, until they feel he’s ready, which may not be until 2012.

    Once he learns to hit the ML pitchers, he’ll be a big bat in the order.

  12. tyanksfan36 January 29th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Against all odds

    When they were dangling Montero as the piece for Lee he wasn’t playing well at all. It was after the All Star break when he starting raking. I’m sure if he had continued hitting as poorly as he did the first half if we had traded him not too many people would be sad.

  13. Ed H. January 29th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Montero will have Girardi, Pena, Yogi and Jorge working with him this ST. I’m sure that Chad will follow this story and it will be interesting to see how he develops. I hope that he sticks with the Yanks when the season begins.

  14. Betsy January 29th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Big Al, I don’t mean to suggest that he’ll struggle completely, just that expectations for him to be some monster slugger right away are unfair. I think he will do some good things and that’s enough for me.

    Against Odds, but that was still for Lee. There is no one available of that caliber out there – teams are not going to trade their aces. So unless Felix Hernandez all of a sudden becomes available, Montero will stick here.

  15. GMAN January 29th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    Montero is going to be a player so long as he keeps his head on straight.

    He needs Derek to teach him how to handle the media madness of playing in NY…
    Nobody is better at it than Derek Jeter.

    Jete is one of the greatest baseball players in history.

    He is Captain America.

    All class and legit 1st ballot Hall of Famer.

    Do yourself a favor and make sure your kids can say they have seen DJ play in person at the Big Ball Orchard in the South Bronx !!!

    Same for Mariano the Great!

    Montero can learn from the best…

    Hollah !!!

  16. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    I’m not too sure that Montero’s early season struggles weren’t from the season ending broken bone in his hand in 2009. He played no winter ball and perhaps that ugly weather in the north compounded the problems. He was a kid that was struggling for the first time in his life and like all kids, they get confused, angry, frustrated and start pouting. The one thing that he didn’t do was strike out a lot, like most kids do. That tells you a lot about his ability.

  17. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    GB7 -

    Thanks, I’d forgotten about his injury, so that could account for the slow start. Once he got going, he was money in the bank.

  18. Against All Odds January 29th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    # tyanksfan36 January 29th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Against all odds

    When they were dangling Montero as the piece for Lee he wasn’t playing well at all. It was after the All Star break when he starting raking. I’m sure if he had continued hitting as poorly as he did the first half if we had traded him not too many people would be sad.

    ———————————

    True but the thing is they still dangled him for Lee. A kid who they raved about since he joined the system.

    I don’t know how it was on here but there were ppl upset about him being in the deal despite his poor hitting.

  19. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    When he comes up to catch his first games, they’ll give him over to pitchers that are easy to catch, like Hughes and Sabathia…guys that can control their pitches. He won’t be catching Burnett or Chamberlain any time soon.

  20. Against All Odds January 29th, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    “Against Odds, but that was still for Lee. There is no one available of that caliber out there – teams are not going to trade their aces. So unless Felix Hernandez all of a sudden becomes available, Montero will stick here.”

    Hopefully he does stick here.

  21. Ed H. January 29th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    I’d love to see a battery of Hughes and Montero. The Ford and Berra of the future???

  22. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    AL, I’m not trying to make excuses, but, watching him hit on TV, you just didn’t see him driving the pitches and a lot of weak grounders to the middle and weak pop-ups, I never did see anyplace where he made excuses and there were 3 or 4 Scranton interviews and some on the TV feeds. He’s a real stand-up kid and he calls a pretty decent game. One other good this is that he’s caught this next wave of pitchers for at least 1 year and some for 2.

  23. Betsy January 29th, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Against all Odds, I hope so and I hope he becomes a monster………. I wanted Lee at the time, but I had a gnawing feeling in the pit of my stomache; I couldn’t be completely happy about the deal because Montero would be going.

    Poor Jesus – imagine him partnering with AJ?

  24. Tar January 29th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Mell

    Sorry it took me so long.

    “One thing that is true though is the Yankees were dead last in outs made from the shortstop position in 2010. They were dead last in assists by the SS and in what will undoubtedly be a surprise to some, dead last in SS putouts where the ball was caught in the air. Some of this has to be a little telling.”

    Now I know Jeter was “NOT” last in assists or PO’s.

    How the team did, when you figure in Nova and Pena, I am not sure. DO you have a link?

  25. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    It’s Banuelos that’s going to be something. He has Whitey Ford pitches (except for the spitter) and a near Guidry fastball. He throws harder than Guidry did at the age of 21. With Betances and Hughes surrounding him, that could be as any good young staff in baseball. Toss in an aging (34 years old) Sabathia, and that’s as nasty a front four as there is. Hyperbole? No!! Those kids really are that good. And more on the way.

  26. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    GB7 -

    As with most folks here, I can’t wait until BB starts, and want to see Montero succeed. His youth, along side the vets on the team will be a positive. A-Rod mentors Cano, and next, Cano mentors the younger guys, this has the makings of one outstanding team for many years to come, too bad some here just can’t seem to see it, or appreciate how much fun it will be to root for the Yankees. I like to look for the positive things in most situations, some only want to see the negative things, to each his own.

  27. randy l. January 29th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    nice interview by josh.

    i personally would like to see montero start at triple to get past the ugly april weather and also to get in good baseball shape to be really ready to make his debut with the best possible chance of success.

    the yankee as a team tend to get off to slow a slow start. i’d rather montero not have the pressure of the team losing on top of breaking into the league. also, they control him for another year if they wait a bit before bringing him up.

    cervelli would have no problem backing up, so to me the yankees have the luxury of time with montero , so why not use it.

    that said, if he just makes it impossible to leave him at scranton by having an incredible spring, i can see bringing him north with the team for opening day. barring that incredible spring, i’d wait 6 weeks or so and then bring him up.

  28. Mell January 29th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    Tar:

    Was speaking of the position itself, rather than any specific player. Jeter was not personally last in assists or putouts, but the Yankees as a team got fewer outs at the position than every team in the AL (tied w/ Boston). Baseballreference.com is the source.

  29. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    AL, that’s the biggest change in Cano. Maturity. He’s now becoming a team leader, an elser stateman and taking on the role that Rodriguez had with Cano. That can only speak volumes for him.

  30. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    That’s the really great thing about following the minors watching these kids grow up. It’s almost like being a parent. You hope for the best and feel bad for them when they fail. get upset when they do stupid things off the field/not game related. I guess following them and bringing up how they’re doing is something like a scout feels…proud that you”discovered” them. The ones that you follow and either bomb out or get traded makes you feel a little down. But, then, you have other kids that need your “love and attention”, too.

  31. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    an ***elder*** stateman

  32. 108 stitches January 29th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    Martin is committed as the starting catcher or about 110-120 games, assuming he’s healthy and has no prolonged slumps. Posada and Cervelli will split the rest.
    What complcates everything is if Montero is tearing it up in AAA and Romine the same in AA ball. The possibility exists that Cervelli is either sent down or dealt, Montero is on the 25-man roster, and Romine gets promoted to AAA. The Yankees can’t hold down progress.

  33. Ed H. January 29th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    GB, it also speaks a lot for Alex, in how he also transformed himself into a leadership role since ’09.

  34. SAS January 29th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Big Al,

    A while back, I answered you in the last thread.

  35. SAS January 29th, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    Ed H.

    Alex is letting his leadership come out through Cano. That’s a good thing, because he can’t compete with Jeter and Mo.

  36. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    GB7 -

    That’s how I felt as a season ticket holder for SWB, you got to see the talent coming up, and just knew which ones would make it, and those that were AAAA players. When you attend those games you get to meet and speak with many of the players, and it’s much less formal, so everyone relaxes, has fun, and become like family.

    To those that have not gone to MiLB games, if you can, do so.

  37. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    SAS -

    Thanks, I read it.

  38. tyanksfan36 January 29th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    GB7

    I feel the same way in regards to the minor leaguers I follow. I don’t feel like a parent since they’re all around my age but maybe a sibling I really like or a good friend. I want all the guys I watched in Tampa to make it but I know they won’t. I like going to those games because no one analyzes a failure the next day because no one else follows them. I don’t have to hear the next day about how Brad Suttle bobbled a ball and they couldn’t pull off the double play or Shaeffer Hall giving up 5 runs in one inning. For example
    I was sooo mad when my director at work picked on Cano during the allstar game when he bobbled a ball and they called it a hit not an error, she said he was a poor defender despite only having one error at the time. I told her he is the best on the team and she rolled her eyes and said in an annoying tone, that apparently wasn’t saying much for everyone else then. I actually was so mad I went on the rays website and brought back numbers to show how much better he was than all the rays at their positions.

  39. Ed H. January 29th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    SAS,

    I agree that he’ll never be able to top Jeter or Mo. The big change now is that he’s pulling in the same direction as those guys and promoting the same values. I do see him as now being eligible to take on an elder statesman role as he ages and as members of the core 4 retire.

  40. pat January 29th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    “Jete is one of the greatest baseball players in history.”

    Derek’s mom posts here?

    I think the ideal scenario for the Yankees would be for Cervelli to have a great spring and be catcher #2 breaking camp to elevate his trade value so he could be moved early into the season and Montero comes up to fill the slot.

  41. SAS January 29th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    pat,

    You always come up with great posts and retorts. Thanks, you leave a smile on my face.

  42. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    TY/aL, I’ve picked some that I thought really had a chance to do something and they failed, like Seth Fortenberry, Mitch Hilligoss and Wilken Delarosa. And though they were never anybody elses picks, I always liked Brandon Laird, Eduardo Nunez and Brett Marshall. Just something about them that you gotta like. I guess I’m going to be about 50/50. Another one is Melky Mesa. Add in Rob Lyerly and Daniel Brewer and I can hope that one or two more get there with the Yanks to help win a few important games. Others like Montero, Romine, banuelos, Brackman and Betances are easier picks to make.

  43. blake January 29th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    I’ve only see Baneulos a couple of times but the stuff reminds me most of Santana….mechanically they are different but if he fills out they could have similar builds, fastballs, and that wipe out change piece….if he develops his curveball a bit more he could really be special. Exciting times to be a Yankee fan…..the perfect storm of money and farm system may be coming soon.

  44. YankeesNmore January 29th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    “It sounded to me like Cash would prefer Montero polish up in AAA; he won’t get a real chance to do that here because how often does a BUC play?”
    —————————————————————————————————
    When the starter is Russell Martin??? Maybe a LOT!

  45. blake January 29th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    I think considering that Jeter may end up being the greatest SS since Honus Wagner….he is one of the greatest players of all time.

  46. YankeesNmore January 29th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    I appreciate everything Derek Jeter has done, but he’s not even the greatest SS of the last 25 years, much less since Wagner.

  47. tyanksfan36 January 29th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    GB7

    I tend to like the guys that aren’t prospects, its like how I’m friends with people no one likes or the annoying kid in the class that gets picked on. I really enjoyed watching Ray Kruml and Jack Rye foul pitches off into the stands so kids(and myself) could run down a souvenir. I liked guys like Mitch Abeita, Addison maruszak, Trent Lare and even the pitchers that just gave games away. Its nice to follow prospects but its fun to see the drive of the guys you know are never going to make it.

  48. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    GB7 -

    If you could pick the players that would become MLB players, and be 50/50, you’d be a super scout.

    By the time I got to follow players at the AAA level, it was easier to make those picks, and some times you have to pick with your head, and leave your heart out of it.

    What I still find difficult to understand, is when Gardner was in AAA SWB, he was a good bunter, and much more aggressive on the base paths, at times too aggressive. If Girardi can figure out why he’s changed his game, and get him back on that track, it would be huge for his game and the team. I could be wrong, but, Brett was always the #1 hitter, the table setter, and I think he does much better leading off, than batting 9th. Perhaps one of the big stat guys could proof me right or wrong on that point.

  49. Mell January 29th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    “I appreciate everything Derek Jeter has done, but he’s not even the greatest SS of the last 25 years, much less since Wagner.”

    Who is then?

  50. tyanksfan36 January 29th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    There’s a post over at RAB about Nova. I share the same sentiment over shiny new things as the writer.

  51. blake January 29th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Arod will have played third more than SS and Jeter is a better player than Ripken was…..Nomad didn’t play long enough. When you consider peak and longevity it’s tough to beat the captain.

  52. KennyH123 January 29th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Banuelos is a great prospect, with a nice mix of pitches, command and maturity. He has a chance to be special.

    But he does not throw anywhere near as hard as a young Ron Guidry. Not even close.

  53. West Coast Yankee Fan January 29th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Given the additional arbitration free year you would get by starting Montero in SWB, and, the regular playing time he would get there, maybe it makes sense to send him down to start the season even if he tears it up in spring training.

    This all assumes Martin is healthy and does a good job and Cervelli provides the team with a reasonable facsimile of a major league catcher. I personally don’t see Posada catching at all.

  54. YankeesNmore January 29th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    “Jeter is a better player than Ripken was”
    —————————————————————————————
    No chance.

  55. YankeesNmore January 29th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    And regardless of when he moved to third, ARod was a better SS, too.

  56. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    YankeesNmore January 29th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
    I appreciate everything Derek Jeter has done, but he’s not even the greatest SS of the last 25 years, much less since Wagner.

    ****************************************************
    I think you are dead wrong. Jeter will be considered in history as one of the elite players of the game.

    Perhaps some ball players are not truly appreciated in their own time, as much as they should be.

    If you ever had the opportunity to talk with Jeter’s peers, you’d realize just how wrong you are.

    It’s like those of us that followed The Mick from the first day he played for the Yankees, to his last day. If, as a fan you only saw the tail end of his career, you might not be able to appreciate what a great talent he was, a man that stood above his peers at every level of his game.

  57. YankeesNmore January 29th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Big Al, I don’t think Derek Jeter qualifies as somebody who has been UNDERappreciated. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

    He has been a GREAT player, and one of the greatest of his generation. He is a NO-DOUBT first-ballot Hall of Famer.

    HOWEVER, Cal Ripken Jr. and Alex Rodriguez were BOTH better players at SS than Derek Jeter was. You can argue longevity with ARod, since he moved to third when he came to the Yankees.

    I choose not to do that for the same reason I refuse to even consider Hank Aaron in the same class with Babe Ruth. Lasted longer and best player are two very different things.

  58. West Coast Yankee Fan January 29th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Derek Jeter is one of the greatest players to ever wear a major league uniform, regardless of position or era. His icon stature is not only defined by his performance on the field both in the regular and post-season, but by the countless intangibles that define him. Class, dignity, work ethic, loyalty to his teammates, respect for the game, role model for kids and young ballplayers, the accolades are many.

  59. West Coast Yankee Fan January 29th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    sp-iconic

  60. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    YankeesNmore January 29th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    I agree with you on the Aaron/ Ruth point.

    If you go to the HOF, and look at the baseballs used in Ruth’s time, add in the fact the ballparks were much bigger, hech YS CF was 460′ deep, and Ruth had seasons where he hit more HR’s than the rest of the league combined, that’s greatness.

    For my money, the 2 greatest ball players of all time were Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig, and not because they were Yankees.

    Today players live a much easier life, than back in Ruth’s time when they rode trains and buses to games, and had to play each year for next years contract.

    A-Rod was a good SS, but, I think he would have broken down sooner, had he remained at SS.

    Please, be good enough to look at the numbers, by the years played, and other than power numbers, Cal Ripken Jr. is not as good, no less better than Jeter.

  61. SAS January 29th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Big Al,

    I never knew until right now that you were a Scout. Good to have some people on here who understand those things I wouldn’t even know enough about to appreciate them.

    GB would have made an amazing scout…for our Country what he did was more important though.

  62. YankeesNmore January 29th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Could not disagree more, Big Al. I whether you can admit it to yourself or not, I believe your Yankee bias shows through in virtually everything you say.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Fans are supposed to be biased. I have my blindspots, too. But I can recognize Ripken and ARod as superior players and SS’s than Jeter.

    Of course, third-best SS of the last two generations is nothing to sneeze at.

  63. YankeesNmore January 29th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Additionally, you can’t just say “EXCEPT for power.” Power is one of the most important aspects used to judge players. There is no greater individual game-changing aspect, from an offensive standpoint, than power.

    ARod and Ripken has SIGNIFICANT power advantages of Jeter, but it doesn’t end there. Both Ripken and ARod were better defensive shortstops, too.

  64. Mell January 29th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    “But I can recognize Ripken and ARod as superior players and SS’s than Jeter”

    No question about Rodriguez, but how exactly is it you can say so unequivocally that Ripken is better. State your case.

  65. pat January 29th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    MLB Network did top 10 SS of all time and I believe Wagner finished #1 but don’t remember if Derek was #2.

    This week they did top 10 SS right now and Derek finished 3rd.

  66. blake January 29th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Arod himself is one of the greatest players ever but he didn’t play the position long enough to qualify in this discussion…..and as I said Jeter is a better player than Ripken was.

  67. YankeesNmore January 29th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    “No question about Rodriguez, but how exactly is it you can say so unequivocally that Ripken is better. State your case.”
    ————————————————————————————————————
    Ripken was a middle-of-the-order run-producer for the majority of his career. He hit for FAR more power than Jeter, a two-time most valuable player and a better defensive SS than Jeter.

  68. Mell January 29th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    “Ripken has SIGNIFICANT power advantages of Jeter”

    Yet Jeter carries the higher career slugging percentage.

  69. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    YankeesNmore January 29th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    OK – here are the numbers, look or ignore, your choice.

    Jeter – 16 Seasons:

    BA .314, OBP .385, SLG .452, OPS .857, OPS + 119
    Fielding .976

    Ripkek Jr. – 21 Seasons, 17 at SS & 8 at 3B

    BA .276, OBP .340, SLG .447, OPS .788, OPS + 112
    Fielding .979

    Now, please explain how you rate Ripken higher than Jeter, other than a slight .003 difference in fielding %, Jeter is heads above Cal ripken Jr. in every aspect of the game.

  70. GMAN January 29th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    If you do not believe Derek Jeter is one of the greatest players in the history of the game… You are on the wrong side of history.

    He and Mo have had incredible careers… 1st ballot Hall of Famers.

    Hollah!

  71. YankeesNmore January 29th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    ARod was a regular SS for eight years. That might not be “long enough” for some, but it’s long enough for me to know what I saw was a better SS than Derek Jeter.

    As I said before, there is a BIG difference between “better player” and “played longer.”

  72. Mell January 29th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    “Ripken was a middle-of-the-order run-producer for the majority of his career. He hit for FAR more power than Jeter, a two-time most valuable player and a better defensive SS than Jeter.”

    Ripken’s 162 game average was 23 homers, 91 RBI and 89 runs scored. Jeter’s is 17, 80 and 119 runs.

    How is it Jeter isn’t the more productive offensive player given these numbers?

    I agree with you on the defense piece, but that’s about it.

  73. blake January 29th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    Jeter isn’t finished either….he may get 3,500 hits.

  74. YankeesNmore January 29th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    “Now, please explain how you rate Ripken higher than Jeter,”
    ————————————————————————————————–
    Simple. I watched both of them play throughout their entire careers.

    Derek Jeter is a GREAT player and first-ballot hall of famer, and perhaps an even better leader. But on the field, he is not the game-changer that Ripken was.

  75. Ed H. January 29th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Ripkin was a historic player and Jeter, as good as he is, is not. Ripkin redefined the shortstop position as a potential power, middle of the order player. His historic consecutive games played streak is the best in history, even more so because he accomplished it primarily as a shortstop, a position that is prone to injuries.

  76. Mell January 29th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    “Ripkin was a historic player and Jeter, as good as he is, is not”

    Can’t argue the historic nature of Ripken’s career, but it’s a quantative feature moreso than a qualitative one. Not saying he’s not a deserving HOF’er, but he is not the offensive player Jeter has been.

  77. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Mell -

    Ripken’s fielding % was .979, thus far Jeter’s is .976, a mere .003% better than Jeter. And after Jeter surpasses 3,000 hits, and could possibly see 3,500 + hits in his career, how would any sane person pick Ripken over Jeter.

    Just look at the numbers I posted above, Jeter is the better player.

    I hate to be negative, but I don’t think YanksNmore has the ability to post anything positive, as it relates to the Yankees, JMO.

  78. 108 stitches January 29th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    re: Alex

    I’ve got to like him as a Yankee in recent years. It wasn’t easy in 2004 coming from Texas with the (then) big contract and expectations. The media made attempts to re-kindle the “straw that stirs the drink” hyperbole from the Munson / Jackson days but he knew NYC was Jeter’s town and gladly moved to 3rd base. He quietly spent many hours working with Graig Nettles to make the transition a good one. Since the early years and after the Core Four, he’s become an elder statesman and well liked teammate. Loves working with Kevin Long. Looking for a healthy and productive 2011 from him.

  79. SAS January 29th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Ripken would not have gotten all the acclaim he did had he not played in so many consecutive games. That in and off itself is not enough to compare these players. Jeter never was a great homerun hitter, but I never the number of HR’s a SS got was important. His play at SS combined with his average is quite spectacular. Had Arod stayed at SS, then you might have a direct comparison.

    Arod is a spectacular player. I don’t think anyone is belittling his playing ability, but he changed positions. When he gets to the HOF, will he go in as a Yankee?

  80. GMAN January 29th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Jeter’s post season accomplishments … Don’t forget ‘em… The man got it done in the most demanding, pressure cooker town… Don’t hate baby… Appreciate.

    Ripken an all time great as well.

    Alex awesome… But not a SS…

    These men are legends…

    Jeter and Mo are winners…thru and thru.

  81. Ed H. January 29th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Ripkin’s stats took a hit because of his commitment to playing every single day, injured or not. This has to be taken into account when evaluating Ripkin. You can’t go by stats alone. This is also true of Jeter, Captain Intangibles, when evaluating his contributions. For both players, perhaps to a greater degree than most, stats are only part of the picture.

  82. SAS January 29th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    I also think Nettles and Boyer were better 3rd basemen than Arod is. Not better hitters, of course.

  83. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Ripkin’s range was not much different, of any, than Jeter’s. but, like Jeter, he made all of the plays and got the outs.

    Jeter is about to become the only shortstop with 3,000 hits and he’s doing it in just 16 years, not 18+ years. That’s no small feat. Jeter may not have had the 30 homer numbers, but, don’t make the mistake in thinking he doesn’t have power. Just look at the post season. He’s also one of the few to reach the black seats in OLS. Ripkin also never hit a home run into the upper deck at YS in right field, either. One other than that Ri[kin couldn’t do was steal bases.

    pat, I’m thinking that Jeter was #2, Smith #3 and Rodriguez #4. Rodriguez was also #6 or # as the third baseman.

  84. YankeesNmore January 29th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Fielding % is SO flawed it’s not even worth mentioning.

    In his prime, Ripken got to balls Derek Jeter would have never touched.

  85. Mike_Boston January 29th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    I think we can all agree that Jeter and Ripken both belong as among the greatest SS to play the game, obviously the 2 best of the last 25 years and possibly 2,3 behind Wagner as greatest ever. Both sides have arguments to make. As a Yankee fan I’ll put the captain ahead of Ripken but it’s still close.
    Thinking about this current team they potentially have 8 HOF on this roster, assuming Andy comes back. That has to be tops in MLB history, no?

  86. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    YankeesNmore January 29th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
    “Now, please explain how you rate Ripken higher than Jeter,”
    ————————————————————————————————–
    Simple. I watched both of them play throughout their entire careers.

    Derek Jeter is a GREAT player and first-ballot hall of famer, and perhaps an even better leader. But on the field, he is not the game-changer that Ripken was.

    *********************************************
    Jeter, not a game changer, are you nuts! I’ve watched Jeter make plays on the field, that are to this day considered spectacular, the Giambi play at the plate, the extra inning game at YS against the Sux, were he dove into the stands to make a catch, that saved the game for a Yankees win in the 13th inning, just to mention a couple. Jeter’s play in the PS has been a big reason for the WS rings he and his team enjoy.

    This is my last post on the subject, and you are the one with the bias against Jeter. As they say, ask the pros, they’ll tell you what I’ve been saying, Jeter is the best, period. Have a good day.

  87. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    I believe that it was Nettles that said that although Rodriguez was the better defensive shortstop that the Yankees were better off with Rodriguez than Jeter at third, because of his hands and arm.

  88. pat January 29th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Alex might make the top 10 of all time list at 2 positions but didn’t play SS long enough to be best or 2nd best SS of all time.

  89. Doreen January 29th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Hi all.

    Just got home a little while ago. Started cooking dinner and while the chili cooks, sat down to catch up here.

    Interesting guest post. :?

    Just read the Cashman interview. Haven’t read any comments yet. Seems to me Cashman does get it. I liked what I read. Randy l even has to agree that this is what we’ve wanted – more money to go to scouting and development. The interview seemed to focus on the scouting part of it. I’d be interested to learn what they’re doing in the development program, but it sure sounds good.

    It was also interesting to read about Kevin Towers. An objective outside opinion must have been incredibly valuable.

    And now, I’ll catch up with the peanut gallery. :)

  90. GMAN January 29th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    BIG AL,
    Telling like it is…
    Discussion over!

  91. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    GB7 -

    I can’t think of another teams IF I’d take over our starting IF.

  92. Doreen January 29th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Wow -

    I just skimmed. How did this become another Jeter post? :)

    I agree with whoever it was that said ideally Cervelli is the backup breaking camp and elevates his trade value. Much as I like his smile and his positivity, he is expendable. I also agree it would be better for Montero to open in AAA and move up sometime in May (mid to late).

  93. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    pat, my mistake. Jeter #7. Here’s the list

    http://www.theportlandbeavers.com/?page_id=432

  94. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    GB7 -

    Are you far from Charlotte, NC? If not too far, you could see SWB when they play there. They call the team Charlotte, but they really play in northern SC. It would make a good weekend of baseball.

  95. Ed H. January 29th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Mike_Boston,

    The 1956 Dodgers had seven potential HOF players:

    Sandy Koufax
    Don Drysdale
    Roy Campanella
    Gil Hodges
    Jackie Robinson
    Peewee Reese
    Duke Snyder

  96. Doreen January 29th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    randy l -

    Question for you. If their drafting strategy is to go for “tools” over performance, doesn’t the developmental program become even more important? I sure wish they’d asked questions about that. Maybe another interview at another time.

  97. SAS January 29th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Doreen,

    Chili sounds good on a cold night. I love chili, but can’t eat it anymore.

  98. pat January 29th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    GB

    #7? I thought I remembered him higher than that.

  99. YankeesNmore January 29th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    This is the reaction I would expect from this board. I would expect a room full of Baltimore fans to be every bit as convinced the opposite is true.

    I watched both men play throughout their entire career, and at their best, Ripken was a better player, IMO.

  100. pat January 29th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Doreen

    Any gold medals today in my neck of the woods?

  101. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy

    For Jeter Freaks

  102. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    GB7 -

    Who ranked the SS’s?

  103. YankeesNmore January 29th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    “pat, my mistake. Jeter #7. Here’s the list

    http://www.theportlandbeavers.com/?page_id=432
    —————————————————————————————–
    Thanks for posting. And how in the hell did I forget about Ozzie Smith?!

    Jeter #7, ARod #2, Cal Ripken #3.

    Guess I’m not the only one who recognizes Ripken as the superior player.

  104. Doreen January 29th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    pat -

    Silver.

    The last game they played was against a team that probably should have been Division 1. They got shut out but put forth a valient effort! My daughter is fierce! She sure didn’t get it from me. :lol:

    We also were directed to an Italian deli on McLean Avenue that was a nice find. We found ourselves talking about what we give up in suburbia. Then we saw the cars on the street after all this snow and talked about what we gain living in suburbia. Definite tradeoffs.

  105. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    GB7 -

    Thanks for the link, it was good living those moments over again.

  106. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    AL, it’s about 250 miles away.

  107. upstate kate January 29th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    thanks for the link GB. I don’t care where Jeet rates on anyone’s list. He is my favorite current Yankee, and I don’t need anyone to validate that for me.

    Doreen
    Sounds like your daughter had a good day :)

  108. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    pat January 29th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
    GB

    #7? I thought I remembered him higher than that.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    pat, I Clemens’d this one, because I thought top 4 at least, certainly ahead of smith.

  109. Jerkface January 29th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    Randy,

    Being labelled split finger on Wang’s stat page doesn’t change anything about his sinker, only that it is being called a split finger. I really don’t understand your obsession with fangraphs re:sinker, since mislabeling the data (or rather, purposefully just throwing it into a different category) doesn’t change the data itself. I think it might be because you don’t understand that.

    You’re screaming about nothing. I hand you chocolate ice cream and call it vanilla, its still chocolate ice cream.

    (and how often are pitcher pitch types mislabeled by observation, sometimes there is little separating a breaky cutter and a slider)

  110. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    GB7 -

    Like I said, a nice weekend of baseball. It’s about an 1 1/2 hours from my home, so I don’t go as often as I like. The cloest park to me are single A teams in Winston-Salem and Greensboro. The Yankees use to own the Greensboro team, and that’s where the core 4 were all together at one time, imagine that team.

  111. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Doreen, silver is great. As long as nobody got hurt and she had fun, it sounds like a Gold Medal Day to me.

  112. pat January 29th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Doreen

    Good Irish pubs and restaurants on McLean too and great bakery across from the Raceway on Yonkers Avenue

    We’re 5-6 miles north up the Bronx River from McLean so much more surburbia-like.

  113. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    AL, I have a couple of appointments and a massive remodeling job to do on the house, but, I’d love to get up there. Not sure how many Charlestn games I’ll get to this year. With everything and a fixed income, things will be tight for most of the year. New windows, doors, roof, paneling, installing new showers and sinks, carpet and tile, paint and siding. Some day, I’ll take the day off and mow an acre of grass.

  114. randy l. January 29th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    “If their drafting strategy is to go for “tools” over performance, doesn’t the developmental program become even more important?”

    doreen-

    i saw that “tools” quote too. i’m not sure what i think about that. it does mean that it would be critical to have really good coaches to teach a tools player how to play the game. i think cashman would say they do, but we know that gardner showed up in new york not being able to bunt.

    who would be a player without” tools”? maybe a youkillis or pedroia? i’m not quite sure how that distinction is made. i like guys that know how to play baseball. then again guys with tools and a lack of baseball experience can be tempting depending on the situation. i would assume that is a guy has tools and has played a lot that he’d have stats that were n line with his tools.

    so when cashman is saying they go after tools more than performance they must mean guys who haven’t played a lot of baseball. how could a guy with a lot of tools not have good performance if he played a lot.

    i need to see more about the yankees going tools over performance to know what i think. doesn’t oakland go performance over tools?

  115. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    AL and Kate, ya’ll are most welcome on the link. by the way, MLB-TV’s Prime 9 tonight is the third basemen. 8 PM EST.

  116. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    GB7 -

    Sounds like your building a new house, good luck with the project.

    I did something similar 10 years ago, on my home in PA. First you can’t wait to begin, then you’re sorry you started, and relieved when it’s done.

  117. DaSaint007 January 29th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    I’ve watched Jeter and Ripken, and if you were to ask me which player I would pick to start my team, I’d have to say Jeter. Ripken had more power, but Jeter was/is a better hitter, was as good defensively, did a better job getting on base, and stole more bases than Ripken.

    Am I biased? Probably. But the stats/numbers don’t lie either.

    It’s always amazing when some people spit out stats but when it doesn’t fit their argument, they resort to ‘I saw him play’.

  118. Jerkface January 29th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    who would be a player without” tools”? maybe a youkillis or pedroia? i’m not quite sure how that distinction is made. i like guys that know how to play baseball. then again guys with tools and a lack of baseball experience can be tempting depending on the situation. i would assume that is a guy has tools and has played a lot that he’d have stats that were n line with his tools.

    so when cashman is saying they go after tools more than performance they must mean guys who haven’t played a lot of baseball. how could a guy with a lot of tools not have good performance if he played a lot.

    5 Tools: Hit for Average, Hit for Power, Arm, Glove, Speed

    There may be players out there that perform against weaker competition for reasons other than tools: experience, perhaps they have played baseball so long they know how to get the most out of their limited skill set against inferior competition. This player might move up the minors but stall out at AA or AAA or the majors right?

    Or maybe a player has 1 really good tool, or a couple of mediocre tools.

    I think saying tools over performance does not mean drafting players who don’t know how to play baseball. Its drafting players that show the kinds of abilities that major league players possess.

    In the olden days of baseball, when you could still grouse about what you saw without being called out on it, Branch Rickey and his followers (which is a lot like Bill James and his followers but I digress) decided to hold open try outs to stock the minor leagues.

    First they’d have everyone run a 60 meter, and cut anyone slower than 6.8, then they’d have everyone throw and cut anyone who didn’t have a major league arm. Only when they got down to this group did they let anyone hit or field.

    Same principle is being applied by Cashman. For every Pedroia who succeeds in baseball due to preternatural ability to barrel a ball and hard work, there is going to be a dozen midgets that end up working in a circus.

    One needs to only look around the majors to realize that things like size and speed matter, and it makes the most sense to get players that have these tools, especially because those that succeed despite tools will be on your radar anyways if they are the kind of prospect that warrants a look. And that point its up to the scouts to convince management.

  119. Jerkface January 29th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    It’s always amazing when some people spit out stats but when it doesn’t fit their argument, they resort to ‘I saw him play’.

    Watch out, you are going to anger the pitch-forked, torch bearing masses.

  120. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    randy l. -

    I’ve posted this here before. I don’t know what happened to Gardner, because in SWB, he was a good bunter, and bunted often. He was very aggressive on the basepaths, and at times too aggressive, but, he was also always the lead-off batter, not the #9 guy.

    Does where in bats in the order change his outlook, and how he hits, I don’t know, other than to say when he leads off, he’s a better hitter.

    As for the bunting, perhaps he devoted more time and practice to that in AAA, don’t know.

  121. randy l. January 29th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    “You’re screaming about nothing. I hand you chocolate ice cream and call it vanilla, its still chocolate ice cream.”

    jerkface-

    let me get this straight. when i go up to the sabermetric ice cream stand and order a vanilla ice cream cone, you are going to give me a chocolate one and call it vanilla ?

    i have this really cool idea for your sabermetric ice cream stand. why don’t you call vanilla ice cream cones “vanilla ice cream cones” and chocolate ice cream cones “chocolate ice cream cones?

    call me crazy, but i think you’ll end up with less ice cream cones on your forehead from disgruntled customers.

  122. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    AL, I’ve been working on this thing since I returned from Iraq. The house was broken into while I was gone and they hammered holes in the walls, spraypainted stole and destroyed everything they couldn’t carry off. It’s been a real job. Now, it’s coming to the finish line. Hope to finish before fall, so I can start on ripping up the grass and starting over.

  123. DaSaint007 January 29th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Jerkface January 29th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
    It’s always amazing when some people spit out stats but when it doesn’t fit their argument, they resort to ‘I saw him play’.

    Watch out, you are going to anger the pitch-forked, torch bearing masses.
    ————————————————

    I know, I know, but I’ll take my chances!

  124. DaSaint007 January 29th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
    AL, I’ve been working on this thing since I returned from Iraq. The house was broken into while I was gone and they hammered holes in the walls, spraypainted stole and destroyed everything they couldn’t carry off. It’s been a real job. Now, it’s coming to the finish line. Hope to finish before fall, so I can start on ripping up the grass and starting over.
    ——————————————————–

    Sorry to hear that GB. Some people are so unappreciative. Maybe a one-way ticket to Cairo about now would make them a bit more so. Anyway, should you ever need to build a new one, I’ll design it for you Sarge.

  125. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    GB7 -

    I didn’t realize that, sorry to hear it. Heck, I’ve got a John Deere tractor/mower, if I can find a trailer for it, I’d come down and mow that lawn to get you started.

  126. DaSaint007 January 29th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Yankees still looking into Eric Chavez according to MLB Rumors-R-Us.

  127. joeman January 29th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    can’t see Oak taking on Chone Figgins 9 mil a year contract…can play a lot of positions OF & IN..not a GG but a nice player to have….

  128. SAS January 29th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    GB,

    YOU WERE IN IRAQ?

  129. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    call me crazy, but i think you’ll end up with less ice cream cones on your forehead from disgruntled customers.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Just like his magic formulas, they’ll tell him where, besides on his forehead, he can shove his ice cream cones.

  130. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    I’ll have a vanilla cone please.

  131. Doreen January 29th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    randy l -

    Austin Jackson was a “tools” player, IIRC. He played mostly basketball, but baseball too. I get the feeling they want teachable guys who aren’t necessarily tied to a position? Anyway, it would be interesting to know more. Always, we want more, right? :)

    I’d heard Gardner could bunt (or did bunt) at some point. But still, that seems to be an area that could be improved. Even the best hitters should be able to bunt in a “pinch” (no pun really intended there).

  132. SAS January 29th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    I’ll have a coffee ice cream cone please.

  133. DaSaint007 January 29th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    GB, SAS asked about Iraq.
    I presume you were referring to Desert Storm?

  134. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    Al, the lawn right now is low on my list. I can get it cut, but, it’s starting to get weedy, so it’s time to redo the lawn. It used to be a cornfield. Sometimes, it thinks that it stil is. Appreciate the offer. Most of the work is now in the house, but,reroofing and residing is something I’ll need to think about as far as tackling it myself.

  135. joeman January 29th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    # BIG AL & GB

    ———————————————————

    snow on my roof can you guys come over and remove it…I pay well

  136. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Eric Chavez? Why would Cashman want a guy that can’t stay on the field, can’t hit, over a Nunez or Pena?

    Are the Yankees trying to do on field charity work for unhealthy players.

  137. randy l. January 29th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    jerkface-

    as an aside , what teams draft on performance ?

    i’ve watched the 60 yard running and the throwing tests at tryouts and i don’t think it’s a great way to find baseball players. the last one i watched was the devil rays in tampa 15 years ago and thought it was dumb at the time.

    guys like nettles or pinella or chambliss would have been cut in that kind of tryout.

    players play so much now , do they really have tryouts for players in the US that measure tools? i guess they do in individual workouts, but open team tryouts seem like something from the long distant past.

  138. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    SAS/Simon. I was in Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom, along with Bosnia and Afghanistan on multiple tours. That was my job. No regrets, but, it sure destroys family life.,

  139. Jerkface January 29th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Randy, the difference between my ice cream analogy and wangs pitch is that its still classified as a fastball and the name doesn’t change any of the properties of the pitch or how its recorded. No one throws an identicqal pitch to anyone else. As long as the pitcher individual repertoire is distinctly catologued the system is ok

  140. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    joeman -

    If you had a brain, you’d be worth having a conversation with, but alas, you fall short in that department.

  141. YankeesNmore January 29th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    “It’s always amazing when some people spit out stats but when it doesn’t fit their argument, they resort to ‘I saw him play’.”
    ———————————————————————————————
    Have to believe the people who currently work for MLB Network saw them play, too. And they ranked ARod #2, Ripken #3 and Jeter #7 among all-time shortstops.

    It’s not as if Ripken being a better shortstop/player than Jeter is some sort of outrageous suggestion.

  142. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Randy, I’m sure that was when Rickey was first developing the farm systen concept back in the early 30s. He started the first one in St. Louis with about 40 farm teams. NYYs copied that.

  143. Doreen January 29th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    upstate kate & GB7 -

    Thanks. It’s really fun to see a side of your child that you hadn’t really seen before. She got knocked down twice and just got up and kept going. She was fighting off some really big guys in that second game. No fear. None. Amazing to watch.

    pat -

    There was an Irish pub a couple of doors down from the Italian deli. If we weren’t in a time crunch, it looked like someplace we’d enjoy.

  144. joeman January 29th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    # BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    joeman -

    If you had a brain, you’d be worth having a conversation with, but alas, you fall short in that department.
    ———————————-
    thought we were buds

  145. GreenBeret7 January 29th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Doreen, send my congratulations to your daughter from a jealous fan.

  146. BIG AL January 29th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Doreen -

    Congrats to your daughter, sounds like you had a great family day, and that’s what life is all about, family.

  147. Doreen January 29th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Thanks, GB7 & Big Al.

    It was a really good day. :)

  148. pat January 29th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Doreen

    Glad there are activities in the area she is enjoying.

  149. SAS January 29th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Doreen,

    I am so happy for your daughter and for you too. It is fun to see a child excel. My younger son was a jock, and I enjoyed watching him because I was dreadful.

  150. SAS January 29th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    The pieces that barely fit :arrow:

  151. randy l. January 29th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    big al-

    i’m baffled why gardner came to the majors being such a bad bunter. i really don’t think learning how to bunt has been high on the yankees teaching list. i think it’s as simple as that.

    i know you cringe when i mention the twins, but all their players are taught to bunt and that includes morneau, mauer, etc. even big papi can bunt and that’s from when he was a twin.

    it’s just emphasis i think.

    i was on a back minor league field of the rays two years ago and they had a bunting drill going on back at the screen that hitters were doing when they were done hitting in BP. it was a tough drill and the players were struggling with it.

    they had a coach who had been a good bunter in the bigs( can’t remember now who it was) and he was just pushing these guys to learn how to bunt. i just don’t think the yankees really push it. i

  152. DaSaint007 January 29th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    GB, on an aside, I’m actually going to finally ‘go solo’ and set up shop like I should have in the DefCon arena for a while. What was your MOS?

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