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Pinch hitting: Kevin Seefried

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Pinch hitters on Jan 30, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Our next Pinch Hitter, Kevin Seefried, spent his early years in Westchester County before moving to Colorado at the turn of the century. He’s now a freshman at Claremont McKenna College, and he co-founded 6pound8ouncebabyjoba.com back in 2008. Kevin is often featured at the Claremont Sports Connection where his Sports Disconnection series recently debuted, and he’s a regular on The Nightcap sports talk radio show in Claremont, CA.

Kevin spends his free time listening to Mitch Hedberg and Daniel Tosh albums to feed his stand-up comedy addiction. In his more serious hours, Kevin is an Economics major — for whatever it’s worth, I actually minored in economics at Mizzou — and he’d like to land a gig in the sports industry at some point. For his guest post, the self-described “Joba-idolizing character” looked into what it takes to build a winning bullpen.

Bullpen(cil)

Okay, so the Yanks’ signing of Rafael Soriano sort of lit the blogosphere ablaze with debate and disagreement and yada, yada, yada. Questions arose. Should teams spend big dollars on set-up men and lefty-specialists? Or should the bullpen be an assemblage of minimum wage (by MLB standards) journeymen, rookies, fading stars and failed starters?

Well, I’m going to start by apologizing for not taking a staunch hold to either side and settle in the middle.

Brian Cashman has it right: You can have extreme success in the bullpen by throwing a bunch of guys out there and seeing what sticks. Phil Hughes electrified the Yanks’ endgame in ’09 when he unexpectedly stepped into a setup role. David Robertson wasn’t the biggest name on the farm, but he’s proven important over the past couple years. Heck, even Edwar Ramirez and Jose Veras saw some success in the ‘pen.

That said, wasn’t Hughes one of the game’s best starting pitching prospects? His dominance in a one-inning role wasn’t all that surprising. Robertson was a K-master in the minors before his promotion, posting a 15.34 K/9 rate at AAA in ’09, a 13.11 rate in 35 AAA innings in ’08, and a 12.54 rate in his other 18.2 ’08 innings at the AA level. So, it shouldn’t have been shocking that MLB hitters flailed at his pitches too. As for Veras and Ramirez, they essentially flunked out of the bullpen in ’09, right?

The Yankee bullpen’s 4.06 FIP in 2010 placed last among playoff teams. With Kerry Wood back on the North Side of Chicago, the team needed to add some insurance to their late-game staff. Sure, you can hope and pray that an eighth-inning messiah arises from the mess of relievers fighting for time in the Bronx, but how likely is that to happen?

Among Robertson, Joba Chamberlain, Mark Prior, Robert Fish, Steve Garrison, Ryan Pope, Brian Schlitter, and Daniel Turpen, do you really see anyone that’ll remind us of Mariano circa 1996? The lights-out talents that manned the eighth inning for the Yanks’ last three playoff teams were all former top-prospects: Joba, Hughes and Wood. With a not-so-full rotation, the Yanks can’t be plugging top young starting talents into late-inning roles when those guys would be much more valuable taking the hill for six or seven innings at a time. Even before Soriano signed, it was pretty clear that any gems like the 2007 Joba or the 2009 Hughes are going to be asked to start, not take on a set-up role.

When it comes to the game’s last two innings, it’s nice to have a little insurance, but when patching together the rest of the bullpen, Cashman’s approach can be effective. I’m fine watching Veras/Ramirez/Robertson/Coke/Aceves types in the middle innings, because someone is bound to play over their head for the year and make the stat-lines look good. You don’t need a Mariano-type in the sixth inning, but come the eighth, knowing that your lead is safe is a big deal.

Relievers are volatile, which is why generally it’s not smart to dish out the big bucks to a seventh- or eighth-inning guy. When a guy is coming off one good year, with an injury-laden past or without a strong history of success, dishing out dinero is silly.

Folks with proven records are worth the extra couple mill, though.

Arms like Scott Downs, Ryan Madson, Matt Thornton and — yes — Rafael Soriano proved dominant consistently for two-plus years and thus deserve to be paid accordingly. Sure, some deals won’t work out, but hey, that’s true at any position. The best way to look at relievers is to examine the marginal upgrade of a signee over whatever arms would otherwise take up a roster spot. The difference between a 3.50 ERA/1.30 WHIP veteran and a bunch of rookies that might put up those same numbers isn’t enough to merit a seven-figure salary. If the veteran in question will post a 2.00 ERA/1.10 WHIP, however, he’s worth the investment. That’s a big upgrade over a spring-training standout.

The only way to run a baseball team is with an open-mind to all philosophies. You don’t have to embrace them all or completely abandon a strategy that has worked, but GMs need to constantly reevaluate each situation. Yes, letting a hodgepodge of relievers duke it out for bullpen spots can work. Yes, paying a veteran millions of dollars to join that ‘pen can work too, just ask Tom Gordon. But you can’t just choose one path and never make exceptions.

Moral of the story: You have to adjust for your budget, your situation, your in-house options, your out-of-house options and your rotation. Sticking with one theory because it worked in a different time and different situation just won’t fly. Billy Beane moved away from OBP and poor fielders, Roger Clemens stopped relying solely on his fastball, and Brian Cashman must consider alternate bullpen theories. That’s the game. That’s life. Adjusting to the situation is the only way to see success.

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178 Responses to “Pinch hitting: Kevin Seefried”

  1. Crawdaddy January 30th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    ManBan needs to tighten up that good curve he has in his arsenal.

  2. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    Craw-

    What’s the pitch like in terms of velocity and break ?

  3. SteveB January 30th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    I remember Jim Kaat talking about the 1982 WS Champ Cardinal team he was on, and how they planned their pitching staff from the closer forward, instead of the reverse, as they only had one reliable starter on the staff. He made an argument that in today’s game, with starters going 6-7 innings max, the team that has the superior pitching in innings 7-8-9 stands a better chance of winning the ballgame. And we’ve seen that as Yankees fans. When the Yankees have had a top setup guy to match with Mo, they’ve had greater success as a team. It allows the Yankees to get those exciting ‘come from behind’ wins, while holding the competition mostly scoreless in the final third of the game. I’m totally on board with that. The starter’s role used to be to pitch the whole game (anybody remember when Guidry was ridiculed for not finishing his starts?) but now the starter’s role is only to keep his team ‘in the ballgame’ over 6+ innings. So I guess that makes me a ‘focus on the bullpen’ (really focus on 2-3 outstanding relief pitchers) guy.

  4. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    I’ve seen Man-Ban pitch only once.

    I do not recall seeing him throw much more than a nice FB and a devasting CU.

    Did not see a curve.

  5. blake January 30th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    MTU,

    yea Banuelos throws a curve and that is the one area that scouts tend to say he needs more development. Experience and tightening his curve and he’s essentially ready for the Bronx….

  6. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Blake-

    Like I asked Craw above.

    Sounds like the slow, loopy variety (not a fan of those).

    Is that right ? What is the velocity range and plane of break ?

    His CU looks just like the FB coming out of his hand. Terrific weapon.

  7. Crawdaddy January 30th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Actually, earlier in his career his curve was ahead of his CU, but it has regressed the last year or so.

  8. SteveB January 30th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    The one game I saw Banuelos (Sept 2- maybe the same one as MTU?), he looked at times average and at times dominating. He ‘popped’ Romaine’s glove with a few of his fastballs the same way Chamberlain did in Trenton, although I also didn’t think his curve was great. He was out most the year with appendicitis I think and it was a shock that he even got as far as Trenton, pitching in the playoffs.

    Betances was the guy that REALLY opened my eyes. AA hitters couldn’t touch him the 2 games of his I saw. And Brackman’s curve made the hitters look completely foolish.

  9. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Craw-

    Perhaps he would benefit from the addition of a cut FB, or true slider ?

    Maybe he would have more success with that ?

    A two-seamer is easy to learn and can be another nice weapon.

  10. blake January 30th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    MTU,

    I really haven’t seen him enough to know. I’ve only seen him that one time you did in the AFL and as you said he was mostly heater/CU i’m that outing. Law (FWIW) seems to think he could be ready for the show this year….tightening the curve is really about the only thing I read that he need to improve on…..

  11. SteveB January 30th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    You know, with all the talk about the “Killer B’s” in Trenton, everybody forgot about Pat Venditte. He looked pretty good during his short stay last season in Trenton, from both sides. I wonder what will happen if he continues to pitch well in AA this season. Will the Yankees move him up? Will they make him focus on throwing from only one side? This is his make-or-break year.

  12. blake January 30th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Santana was fastball, CU, slider when he was with the Twins.

  13. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Blake-

    At this point it appears he has 2 plus plus pitches, and a sub-par third.

    He has really nice mound presence and a very smooth delivery IMO.

    C and C generally looks pretty good.

    He is still so young. His cieling is very high.

    If he adds another average to above average pitch he’ll be deadly.

    Plenty of time. He’s still learning and growing into his body.

  14. Crawdaddy January 30th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    A cutter is probably coming considering the recent history of Yankee pitching.

  15. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    (Repost)

    yankeefeminista -

    How many games do you go to at Trenton during the season? Do you live relatively close? We go to about 4 and then a couple in Lakewood. We’re a little closer to Trenton, not far from the tpke at 8A, but only about 10 minute longer drive to Lakewood.

    I’m going to try to go a little more. Do you decide which games to go to based on the scheduled starter? Or do you just go? We’ve seen Pope pitch an awful lot! :lol:

  16. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Blake-

    Yes indeed. And he wasn’ too bad I hear.

    He did develop some arm issues after a while and some said it might be due to the slider.

    Another example would be Liriano.

    Maybe this is why the Yankees stress the Curve over the slider ?

    Less stress on the arm ?

    At any rate, if Man-Ban adds a decent 3rd pitch it’s yowza time.

    :)

  17. tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    StevenB

    I wrote something about Pat Venditte on my blog(click on my name and it will take you there) besides being cool to watch because he can throw from both sides, he is an elite reliever. He had tremendous success in A+ so I’m really hoping he has a great 2011 in Trenton. I encourage you to look at my post about him though, shows how he stacked up against other relievers in the Florida State League.

  18. blake January 30th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    MTU,

    he’s doing great for his age. The fastball command is the key thing….once you have that everything else can be developed. Same with Hughes….

  19. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    One the reasons I love watching Halladay pitch is how everything moves. And in in different planes and directions.

    He has such great command and so many weapons.

    We saw what can happen when he is locked in this PS.

    Of course his talent for pitching is off the charts.

    Not sure that part can be taught.

    Gregg Maddux on steroids.

    Whew !

    :)

  20. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Halladay is just a surgeon out there at times.

    Can carve a team up into little pieces.

    And so freakin’ durable.

  21. blake January 30th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    MTU,

    Doc is so fun to watch…there are guys that are more overpowering but nobody has number of weapons and the knowledge of what to do with them better than him…two-seamer, cutter, CU, Curve……be just moves the ball around everywhere and all different directions.

  22. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Blake-

    Exactly. Not a pure power type (though he can bring it when he needs to). Sort of a super-hybrid.

    No wonder there are so few like him.

    He makes use of all of the elements of pitching better than just about anyone.

    Guess that’s why we see the results we do.

    ;)

  23. SteveB January 30th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    tyanksfan36–
    I am in the same biz. I write for nj.com at Pride of the Yankees Blog (though I’ve been a little derelict in my duties lately due to personal issues). I’ve also been following Venditte closely since he pitched in Staten Island. I also attend a lot of Thunder games (it seems I live close to Doreen, from her posting above). I don’t usually troll in Chad’s comment section, but I have been reading his stuff since his SWB days. (ps– Hi Chad!)

    Mark Newman has said some very nice things about Venditte. Yet I think the Yankees aren’t really sure what to do with him and that’s why they’ve moved him slowly, despite how well he’s performed. So this will be a make or break year for both Venditte and the Yankees’ decision-makers. When I saw him (3 times) I thought lefty AA hitters would cream him throwing from the left side, but he has a big sweeping curve that kept them totally off balance. I should also mention that Franklin used him mostly from the right side.

  24. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Blake-

    IMO, Doc is a pitcher’s pitcher.

    Maybe that is why Lee cited him as one of his reasons for wanting to go to Philly.

    To pitch along side of the Master.

  25. blake January 30th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    MTU,

    Yea….wish the Yanks had him and that 3/60 contract. Oh well….

  26. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    we should have a trenton trip for lohudders this year. there have been 3 trips to scranton but never one to trenton that i know of. in fact we should try to do it early so we can see banuelos or betances pitch. (that is assuming they both start in trenton).

    there are so many of us jersey/penn people who could go it would be a blast. anyone who’s ever been to a thunder game knows that trenton is a first-rate outfit, i’m sure they would make it a great time for everyone.

    just an informal poll; who would be up for a trenton trip? and if so, should we try to get a pavillion or something or just have it informal, pick a day and a place to meet before the game?

  27. tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    SteveB

    I think a lot of people just see him as a show pitcher because he is the only one that can pitch with both arm. But he is actually very effective. To have placed in the top 5 of all the reliever categories is impressive. All those other relievers are closers and none placed in the top 5 of all of them. Oi always knew when he was coming into a game that the lead was safe so I could sit back and enjoy watching him strike guys out and put them away. I hope one day he gets the recognition he deserves for being good at what he does and not just a guy who pitches with both arms.

  28. Against All Odds January 30th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    # blake January 30th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    MTU,

    Yea….wish the Yanks had him and that 3/60 contract. Oh well….

    ————————————

    Him in pinstripes would have been great to see.

  29. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 9:36 am
    (Repost)

    yankeefeminista -

    How many games do you go to at Trenton during the season? Do you live relatively close? We go to about 4 and then a couple in Lakewood. We’re a little closer to Trenton, not far from the tpke at 8A, but only about 10 minute longer drive to Lakewood.

    I’m going to try to go a little more. Do you decide which games to go to based on the scheduled starter? Or do you just go? We’ve seen Pope pitch an awful lot!
    _______
    Good morning, Doreen. Number of games I go to depends on the sched. b/c I have to balance Trenton with Yankee home games. However, maybe 10 games last year, 1 in Lakewood to see Ramirez pitch; usually 3-4 in Staten Island, a couple in Allentown, PA. when SWB plays there. You are nearer to both Trenton and Lakewood than I. I live on the border of Morris and Somerset counties.

    Last year, I attended games mostly based on who was pitching, usually had to wait until last minute b/c the rotation was not that consistent. It is usually hard for me to go two days in a row, but I made the effort in the playoffs. I am hoping this year that the Killer B’s are split up more b/c seeing Betances means either Brackman or Banuelos gets passed over. I saw Betances 3 times, Warren, Banuelos once but with those two, mostly sat behind Brackman and Banuelos a number of times in the stands, as they charted pitches, but I would prefer to see them pitch. :) I am glad Joseph will be healthy and Adams will be back. We had a dearth of good position players there, except for Romine. I did see Pettitte pitch there, which was quite the experience b/c the ballpark is so small and we were about 10 rows back. What about you?

  30. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    AAO-

    If we had Halladay AJ would be better too.

    Nice side benefit.

    :)

  31. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    YsGuy, I’d definitely be up for a Trenton get-together.

  32. Fran the original January 30th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Kevin Kernan has a good article on Betances in today’s NY Post.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....pYCHhItBjP

  33. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Fran-

    It was posted in the prior thread.

    It is definitely an uplifting article. No doubt about that.

    :)

  34. Against All Odds January 30th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    MTU-

    What a nice side benefit to have it’s a win win situation. Damn you TOR for being so greedy lol.

  35. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    just comparing schedules, the thunder play sunday 4/17 vs. hartford @ 1pm. the yankees play that night on espn vs. texas.

    if trenton goes straight through their rotation from opening day (no days off) then the #1 starter would be on-turn. of course, there might still be 2 ft of snow on the field at that time. (maybe they can ask permission from the charlie finley estate to use orange balls?)

    just sayin….

  36. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    If I lived in the greater Metro area I would be all over those minor league games.

    Just curious ?

    How much do they charge ?

  37. tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Its times like this where I hate I’m stuck in FL. When I graduate I’m hoping I can move to Connecticut like I want to. I get to see spring training, Tampa Yankees games and when the Yankees play the Rays at the Trop. But I’d love the opportunity to be able to see Staten Island, Trenton, SWB and NY at home.

  38. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    AAO-

    They turned down the “Messiah of Mash”, and others for him.

    That may haunt them.

    I hope it does.

    :)

  39. blake January 30th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    MTU,

    I think it’ll haunt Jack Z more ;)

  40. Against All Odds January 30th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    MTU-

    Yea it may haunt them in the end. It’s kinda like the Denver Nuggets having outrageous demands for Carmelo Anthony. Sometimes teams paint themselves in a corner by asking for so much. But hey it’s their loss we still have Jesus. :)

  41. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:10 am
    If I lived in the greater Metro area I would be all over those minor league games.

    Just curious ?

    How much do they charge ?
    ______
    $12 to sit right behind the plate at Trenton. $2 for parking. I always crack up at how easy the whole process is too. No traffic, no big crowd. When I go to Trenton the day after a Yankee game, the contrast is startling.:D

  42. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Blake-

    Absolutely.

    That pecker is on his way out the door.

    Thank heavens for the trades you don’t make some times.

    Can you imagine the outrage if we gave up Jesus for a rental.

    We dodged a bullet on that one.

    Big time.

    :)

  43. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    mtu, im having some trouble finding the prices, maybe they havent been posted the prices yet, but i think they run about $10-$15 (parking is free!). riverfront stadium is a nice park and they are a very well-run club that has a long history in trenton (formerly a red sox franchise, carl pavano is the all-time winningest pitcher!) they draw well,but its rarely packed so there is usually room to spread out a bit (like the old days in YS!).

  44. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    I should add to park in the garages around Yankee Stadium this year will be about $40. Just to go to a game without including my Yankee tickets, usually runs me with food, gas, toll about $100 per game. :(

  45. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    YF-

    You’re lucky. I envy you. Thanks for the info.

    :)

  46. Fran the original January 30th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    MTU,

    Thanks. Sorry about the repost. Having some computer issues.
    I have been to some Staten Island Yankees games. We paid $10 for seats a few rows off the field.

  47. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    yanksfeminista, you are right its $2 parking, we have often parked uptown and walked a few blocks, not to avoid the $2 but to avoid waiting to get in.

    ill contact the club today or tomorrow to find out the particulars about a group outing and what the minimum amount needed would be and get back to you guys.

    i think it would be alot of fun, often i get on here after games and find out there were one or two other lohudders who were there, and i would have liked to get together for a beer if i had known.

    the scranton trip i went to was great, but its a long trip and i just cant do it often. but trenton is often a 3pm decision as i can hop in my car and be there in less than an hour.

  48. tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Yankeefem

    That’s the one thing about TY games that is good. Tickets at most are 6 dollars. Students pay 3. Hardly anyone goes so you can sit wherever you want and parking is free. Dunedin charges 6 for general admission and parking is free. Clearwater charges 6.50 and 2 for parking. Tampa definitely has the best deal.

  49. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    In some ways I think i might enjoy the Minor league games more than the Majors.

    Inexpensive, personal, convenient, and fun.

    We used to have an IL team out here but they folded.

    :(

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Ysguy – it’s Waterfront Park.great place to take in a game.

  51. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:19 am
    YF-

    You’re lucky. I envy you. Thanks for the info.
    _____
    You are welcome. It is fun getting to see the prospects play. However, sometimes there are almost too many choices. Plus I have to get everything done in the off-season b/c once the baseball season starts from April through October, there is almost no time for anything else. Not that I am complaining, mind you.

    I recommend if you come out East, that you do the Yankees minor league circuit though. It is a trip. :)

  52. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 10:26 am
    Ysguy – it’s Waterfront Park.great place to take in a game.
    _____
    You have that prime location near Waterfront, being in Princeton. I often hang out there before games. Great food choices and so many other Princeton perks.

  53. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Ys Guys -

    I would absolutely be up for a Trenton Thunder outing.

    Yankeefeminista -

    Wow!

    We usually go on the spur of the moment – if it’s a nice day. We’ve only gone to one night game, maybe two, I think. One of the issues is my husband doesn’t get home from work early enough, so we’re limited to weekends. The other issue is my younger daughter isn’t all that interested, so we don’t want to take her to too many. She’s usually ready to leave about the 5th inning.

    I’m hoping to get to a lot more games this year. I am planning to go to the two morning games by myself and thoroughly looking forward to that. And the morning Lakewood game against the River Dogs. Those are written in stone. Anything after that will be gravy. Maybe this season, I’ll actually look up who the starting pitchers are and plan around that a bit more. Because I’d hate to miss this new crop. It’s a rare opportunity.

  54. 86w183 January 30th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Any chance of trying to choose a time/date for a LoHud minor league party REALLY early?

    I live in Florida but would love to come up and meet a lot of you, but last year they (who exactly?) chose the date late and no “suite” was available and long distance planning was much more difficult. I’ll be in NYC in mid-May and would welcome a detour.

    It doesn’t have to be Scranton either. Why not Trenton? Charleston? Tampa?

    Venditte is a guy whose results are better than his “stuff”. Unfortunately for him, moving up the minors is more about “stuff”.

  55. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:25 am
    In some ways I think i might enjoy the Minor league games more than the Majors.

    Inexpensive, personal, convenient, and fun.

    We used to have an IL team out here but they folded.
    ________
    Quoted for truth, MTU. I always want to go to Yankee games, but sometimes I am truly torn. Nothing like the intimacy and accessibility of a minor league game. I got hooked when I used to go see Hughes pitch in AA.

  56. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    i have not been to a game at the new stadium. its not that i cant afford it, i just have a hard time justifying spending $100+ to go to a game.

    i grew up on L.I. and perfected the bus-to-subway-to-bleachers round trip to YS back in the 70′s, it would cost $1.50 rt on the bus, $1.50 r/t for the subway and $3.50 for the bleacher ticket. (you could buy loose joints in the back row of the bleachers before walking around into the stadium proper and settle in somewhere behind the dugout for the game. shea stadiium was easier but didnt have cheap bleacher seats so it cost more.

    the amazing thing about this to younger folks, is that we used to do the bus-subway-bleacher seats thing on the day of the game, and yes once actually on opening day!

    now that i work down here in the ny area again, i will work out how cheaply i can go to a game again. i got tix for a late season game at citi field on stubhub for $20, parked for free in queens village and took the subway, total cost of about $25 with the service fee (then blew about the same amount at the shake shack!) i dont think i’m gonna be able to do it that cheap for a yankees game, but we’ll see…

  57. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    YF-

    I have family out that way. If I get back that way I might take your advice.

    It sounds like a sh*tload of fun.

    Try to imagine this. As busy as you are making those baseball
    arrangements I am probably ten times more busy preparing for the
    years hikes.

    If I lived out that way I’d have one hell of a conflict.

    ;)

  58. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    86w183 January 30th, 2011 at 10:29 am
    Any chance of trying to choose a time/date for a LoHud minor league party REALLY early?

    I live in Florida but would love to come up and meet a lot of you, but last year they (who exactly?) chose the date late and no “suite” was available and long distance planning was much more difficult. I’ll be in NYC in mid-May and would welcome a detour.

    It doesn’t have to be Scranton either. Why not Trenton? Charleston? Tampa?

    Venditte is a guy whose results are better than his “stuff”. Unfortunately for him, moving up the minors is more about “stuff”.
    ______
    May 20th-22nd (weekend) the Red Sox AA team is at Trenton. That rivalry is always fun. Not sure what Yanks are doing though. I need to check.

  59. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Mets are at Yanks that weekend.

  60. tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    MTU

    The Minor league games are so much fun. You find too that the same people go to a lot of the games so you can meet interesting people.and are a lot more laid back than at ML games. Its also a lot more enjoyable because the pressure isn’t there as much as going to see the NY Yankees. If they lose its really no big deal.

  61. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    unfortunatly living up near albany the past year i didnt get to go to trenton last season. the last game i went to was jose tabata’s last game in the yankees organization when he failed to pursue 2 balls, got pulled off the field and then lost it on tony franklin in front of everyone, and left eventually for pittsburgh.

  62. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 10:32 am
    i have not been to a game at the new stadium. its not that i cant afford it, i just have a hard time justifying spending $100+ to go to a game.

    i grew up on L.I. and perfected the bus-to-subway-to-bleachers round trip to YS back in the 70?s, it would cost $1.50 rt on the bus, $1.50 r/t for the subway and $3.50 for the bleacher ticket. (you could buy loose joints in the back row of the bleachers before walking around into the stadium proper and settle in somewhere behind the dugout for the game. shea stadiium was easier but didnt have cheap bleacher seats so it cost more.

    the amazing thing about this to younger folks, is that we used to do the bus-subway-bleacher seats thing on the day of the game, and yes once actually on opening day!

    now that i work down here in the ny area again, i will work out how cheaply i can go to a game again. i got tix for a late season game at citi field on stubhub for $20, parked for free in queens village and took the subway, total cost of about $25 with the service fee (then blew about the same amount at the shake shack!) i dont think i’m gonna be able to do it that cheap for a yankees game, but we’ll see…
    ______
    Well, the cost is ridiculous. When I first got my seasons, I lived on the UWS so the commute was cheap and convenient, 2 train to 4 train and back. This year for the first time I am actually splitting my tix with someone else.

  63. blake January 30th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    RAB has a fairly interesting article up about Johan Santana and if he could be a viable trade option this summer if he bounces back healthy. The Mets are in a bit of financial trouble and they show that by this summer the acquiring team would really only be on the hook for about 47.5 million bucks over the life of the contact because of deferred payments (5 million in 2019 and 2020).

    If the Mets would kick in some money in a trade for Yankee spare parts would it be something to pursue? I don’t know but if he comes back healthy then maybe they kick the tires at least.

    http://www.riveravenueblues.com

  64. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    TY-

    I hear you. Almost as much fun as raggin’ on Joe Plaid.

    ;)

  65. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Blake-

    What was Santana’s issue this time around ?

  66. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    id imagine ron will probably set up another scranton trip midsummer (thanks again ron!) but i think we could do a trenton trip and get a bigger group because of proximity (and also because of manny b or dellin b!) the thing is, i believe ron has has to lay out some cash to do the scranton thing over the years, and i dont want to do that.

    i think we can do it more informally by designating a game and a place to meet for beer beforehand and then just go.

  67. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:33 am
    YF-

    I have family out that way. If I get back that way I might take your advice.

    It sounds like a sh*tload of fun.

    Try to imagine this. As busy as you are making those baseball
    arrangements I am probably ten times more busy preparing for the
    years hikes.

    If I lived out that way I’d have one hell of a conflict.
    ______
    It is definitely a sh*tload of fun and one hell of a conflict but well worth the schedule managing. ;)

    Let me know if you come out and need any help. I even know all the good places to eat. Best pizza in NJ right near Waterfront Park.

  68. blake January 30th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    MTU,

    The article explains the injury….it was where the pectoral muscle attaches to the humerus and isn’t an injury that typically occurs according to the article….actually they say some comes back stronger …

  69. tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    I loved the minor league games so much I went to 21 games in 2 months. I even joined the booster club for 2011. I bought season tickets for this season and will sadly miss most of april because of school. But I’m planning to make it to all the games over the summer. Taking trips to the fields like dunedin, clearwater and lakeland and a long trip down to charlotte. I got hooked after tagging along with a friend. I’m looking forward to minor league games even more than major league ones.

  70. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    YF-

    And now you are tempting me with great NY Pizza ?

    Thin crust, no doubt ?

    I feel the pull. Like the gravity of a thousand Suns.

    I really, really miss the food.

    Thanks. Have fun.

    :)

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 10:28 am
    J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 10:26 am
    Ysguy – it’s Waterfront Park.great place to take in a game.
    _____
    You have that prime location near Waterfront, being in Princeton. I often hang out there before games. Great food choices and so many other Princeton perks.

    ////

    yea it’s a skip & a hop from us.you can get hung up on 295 though if you hit it the wrong time of day,but we both have unconventional hrs thankfully.Princeton is crazy when it comes to food! Old World Pizza is fantastic,& Nassau Street Seafood is the best in the state.Have you tried Ajihei sushi??I sound like a bloated local,but I’ll go out on a limb and proclaim this the best sushi in the state,too (we’ve tried MOST of ‘em).the chef has a reputation for being a miser & even unpredictably volatile,but we have never had any scrapes with him & we go regularly.they aren’t the best for service,though,just kind of no frills.BUT THE SUSHI!!!!!!!!!

    Have you tried Bent Spoon?Homemade ice cream,unusual flavors,also pretty exceptional place.the lines though can be discouraging.good as it is,you don’t want to wait an hr for ice cream.

  72. blake January 30th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Typically recurs I mean

  73. 86w183 January 30th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Life is ridiculously expensive. Paid $ 130 or whatever for Broadway show tickets, $ 399 per night at the Marriott Marquis and don’t get me started on the better restaurants.

    Thus the $ 150, $ 175 or whatever for a Yankees game doesn’t kill me… I see it as a gift to me, and about the only thing I ever buy for me.

    Still look forward to trying to work a Trenton game into my next sojourn. Is it easy to get from the train station to the park and back?

  74. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Blake-

    Thanks. I might read it later. Santana has sure had his share of injuries over recent years.

  75. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 10:25 am
    Yankeefem

    That’s the one thing about TY games that is good. Tickets at most are 6 dollars. Students pay 3. Hardly anyone goes so you can sit wherever you want and parking is free. Dunedin charges 6 for general admission and parking is free. Clearwater charges 6.50 and 2 for parking. Tampa definitely has the best deal.
    ______
    That sounds like a good deal, tyf.

    I too love the ease of it, and each ballpark has its own distinctive features. SI is the best, right at the Staten Island Ferry site, and with a view of the Statue of Liberty looking from behind homeplate out to the outfield. I love that park. But Trenton is my official homepark. I have seen everyone from Hughes to Montero there.

  76. J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Yankfem,have you tried DeLorenzo’s,speaking of pizza?It’s damn fine pizza & close to the ballpark. (not as good as Old World,though).

  77. Against All Odds January 30th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    # MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Blake-

    Thanks. I might read it later. Santana has sure had his share of injuries over recent years.

    ———————————–

    Yankees dodged another bullet

  78. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Going back to the previous thread from last night, I never said that I’d have Andy catch Jorge if Andy returns – just that I think Jorge should catch a few games. That said, that’s not happening; Cash has been incredibly stubborn about it.

  79. tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    MTU

    I hate Joe Maddon! He is always on TV and in the newspaper. I’m dreading baseball season because he will be around more. Ugh.

  80. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Warning about minor league games, though. Lots of raffle tickets people roaming the aisles. Lots of kids up and down, up and down. The mascot stuff and on-field between innings family fun stuff. Sometimes it seems like the choice was Chuck E Cheese or the Thunder game. :)

    The games with fireworks following, people arrive late.

    But it really is a lot of fun even with the distractions. :)

  81. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    All you people who are talking abotu NY Pizza please stop.

    You are torturing me.

    :)

  82. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    edit: about. My dyslexia again. sorry.

  83. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Banuelos is a baby, so for him I’m not worried about him developing or improving his other pitches. He shouldn’t see the majors for another couple of years at least.

  84. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    86w183 January 30th, 2011 at 10:47 am
    Life is ridiculously expensive. Paid $ 130 or whatever for Broadway show tickets, $ 399 per night at the Marriott Marquis and don’t get me started on the better restaurants.

    Thus the $ 150, $ 175 or whatever for a Yankees game doesn’t kill me… I see it as a gift to me, and about the only thing I ever buy for me.

    Still look forward to trying to work a Trenton game into my next sojourn. Is it easy to get from the train station to the park and back?
    _____
    I drive, but I see the train station across the main drag on my way in, so shouldn’t be a problem. Although I am not sure how late trains would run if you went to a night game.

    Problem with Yankees game is cost obviously escalates based on number of games attended. I have a full season, but I have scaled back regular season games b/c of both distance and cost. However, I still go to about 30 games + playoffs. I don’t attend Broadway plays, all my money is invested in the Yankees. Reason why I can b*tch about trading prospects, etc. I am literally paying my dues. lol. ;)

  85. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    I don’t think I love the cutter, except if Mo or Andy throw it.

  86. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    J Alfred Prufrock -

    Sounds like we have to get to Princeton soon. We used to spend a lot more time there when my daughter was going to school there. (Not Princeton University). Sounds like there are a few new spots to check out. We really haven’t been in about 3-plus years. We haven’t even been to Thomas Sweets the last couple of summers, but it sounds like the Bent Spoon might be a better/newer alternative?

  87. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    TY-

    I don’t hate him but he sure is fun to rag on.

    He is actually a very fine manager. I say so grudgingly.

    He has done a few things that have pissed me off.

    For example, denying Tex a chance to beat out Pena for the Hr. crown.

    I thought that was very low class myself although I do understand why he chose to do so.

    :)

  88. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    MTU January 30th, 2011 at 10:45 am
    YF-

    And now you are tempting me with great NY Pizza ?

    Thin crust, no doubt ?

    I feel the pull. Like the gravity of a thousand Suns.

    I really, really miss the food.

    Thanks. Have fun.

    _________
    Of course, thin crust. :rolleyes: :D

  89. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Where is the pizza near Waterfront?

    We usually get there close to game time, so we eat at the park. But it’d be fun to do something different.

  90. 86w183 January 30th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    off to stretch the legs…. let’s keep talking about a Trenton game…. Sunday May 15th? 22nd?

    Do they have quite type locations and anyone know what they cost?

    later

  91. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Blake, IMO, this whole idea of trading for Santana is unbelievably ridiculous. Why? I don’t get it. Are we having buyer’s remorse for some reason? What has he done (except get injured – and not be the same pitcher as he was before) to suggest he’d be worth getting? I would also never deal with the Mets.

  92. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Excuse me – I mean, are we having “we didn’t trade for him, we didn’t buy” remorse?

  93. blake January 30th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Halladay, Pettite and Lester throw lots of cutters ….Lester uses it a lot. The key is knowing when to use it as a starter. I think its a great pitch for lefties to use on righties when done well.

  94. tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Yankeefem

    At most I can be at the field in 30 minutes. Sometimes when I get out of class at 8 and don’t feel like going home I will just go to a game. Normally for those I don’t have to pay because the gates are open by the time I get there. I got season tickets through the booster club and they are ridiculously cheap so now I have no excuse not to go. The Boosters also have dinners with the players which makes it more personal.

  95. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    I’d rather see the Yankees teach the 2-seam fastball; the ball flies out of YS and we don’t have enough groundball pitchers

  96. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Blake, those are great pitchers……………and I was really referring to the Yankees.

  97. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 10:46 am
    yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 10:28 am
    J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 10:26 am
    Ysguy – it’s Waterfront Park.great place to take in a game.
    _____
    You have that prime location near Waterfront, being in Princeton. I often hang out there before games. Great food choices and so many other Princeton perks.

    ////

    yea it’s a skip & a hop from us.you can get hung up on 295 though if you hit it the wrong time of day,but we both have unconventional hrs thankfully.Princeton is crazy when it comes to food! Old World Pizza is fantastic,& Nassau Street Seafood is the best in the state.Have you tried Ajihei sushi??I sound like a bloated local,but I’ll go out on a limb and proclaim this the best sushi in the state,too (we’ve tried MOST of ‘em).the chef has a reputation for being a miser & even unpredictably volatile,but we have never had any scrapes with him & we go regularly.they aren’t the best for service,though,just kind of no frills.BUT THE SUSHI!!!!!!!!!

    Have you tried Bent Spoon?Homemade ice cream,unusual flavors,also pretty exceptional place.the lines though can be discouraging.good as it is,you don’t want to wait an hr for ice cream.
    _______
    Yes to Old World Pizza, and Nassau Street Seafood is crazy good. Also love Bent Spoon, best ice cream with the exception of Maxmillian’s in Providence (Trisha, is it still in existence?) and some “name I forget” dairy stand in Carlisle, PA, where I swear they must milk the cows right before making the frozen custard.

    I haven’t tried Ajihei, but am dying to. Tiger Noodles is kinda fun. Love the coffee houses, Small World. & that health food store with the gourmet deli. Ah, great food town.

    Also, non-food, I love Labyrinth Bookstore. Miss it up by Columbia on UWS.

  98. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    On the Yankees only Mo and Andy should be throwing the cutter, I think.

  99. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    As stated above I really miss NY food.

    My favorite thing to do when I lived there was to make the rounds of Chinatown on a Friday night (no wisecracks GB).

    We would go from restaurant to restaurant in search of the perfect meal.

    We would try to find the hottest Szechuan Chinese food we could.

    What a blast. I miss those days.

    Even if I came home drunk and on fire.

    :)

  100. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    santana has been very good. his team has sucked and he is getting older, but dismissing him would be big mistake. when healthy he is still an elite pitcher and if the yankees are still in need of a pitcher mid-season, santana would be a HUGE pickup for the yankees (or the socks).

  101. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    Blake, FYI – I wasn’t directing my comments about the Santana trade to you, just to RAB. They have these new writers that I don’t find appealing at all…….and I honestly don’t get why anyone would trade for Santana at this point.

  102. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 10:58 am
    Yankeefem

    At most I can be at the field in 30 minutes. Sometimes when I get out of class at 8 and don’t feel like going home I will just go to a game. Normally for those I don’t have to pay because the gates are open by the time I get there. I got season tickets through the booster club and they are ridiculously cheap so now I have no excuse not to go. The Boosters also have dinners with the players which makes it more personal.
    ____
    We strolled in for the Andy Pettitte game, no problem and got great seats. I wish I were a little closer to Trenton, but where I live I am equidistance from Trenton and Yankee Stadium, so it works out.

  103. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    YsGuy, Santana hasn’t been the same pitcher – and this is in the NL – and he’s not healthy – no thanks.

  104. Stoneburner January 30th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Do not see a Santana trade

    More likely Pettitte comes back during the second half – maybe after the Clemens trial is done or is continued

    Could target Chris Carpenter if the Cards have trouble competing in a revamped NL Central with the Red and the Brewers

    If there is a lefty that the Yankees have an eye on and that has Minnesota connections it would be the current lefty Liriano – but that one will take a while – it will be several seasons before Fransico is put on the trade market

  105. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    MTU -

    Your post about Chinatown reminded me of something that happened back when my husband and I were first married.

    We double-dated with another couple and we suggested Chinatown for dinner. I forget the restaurant we went to, but it was highly recommended with a really varied menu. They ordered chow mein or lo mein or something like that.

    AFTERWARDS they told us they don’t like chinese food. Sheesh. We would have been very happy to go to Little Italy (which I think would have been their preference), but when we suggested Chinatown, they said yes. Go figure. :)

  106. Fran the original January 30th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Doreen,

    There is a lot of stuff going on at minor league games-real kid friendly. But a lot of give- aways too. We left with a free duffle bag and tee shirt.

  107. blake January 30th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Betsy,

    Just making conversation really. No buyers remorse because the Yankees absolutely made the right call on not trading for him a few years back. This would be a different situation though as the commitment would be less in dollars, years, and prospects to aquire.

    Im in no way advocating that the Yankees trade for Johan Santana…they may not even need to. Im just saying that if he comes back healthy then he may not cost as much and he may be a better pitcher than you might think. If the Yanks need a starter in June then they should perhaps keep an open mind.

  108. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    yankeefeminista -

    I was so bummed we didn’t go to the Pettitte game. We were trying to figure out a way to do it, work around my husband’s work hours and all, but it wasn’t going to work. Plus, I figured the game would be packed! Guess we should have taken the chance and gotten there late. Coulda woulda shoulda. :(

  109. J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 10:54 am
    J Alfred Prufrock -

    Sounds like we have to get to Princeton soon. We used to spend a lot more time there when my daughter was going to school there. (Not Princeton University). Sounds like there are a few new spots to check out. We really haven’t been in about 3-plus years. We haven’t even been to Thomas Sweets the last couple of summers, but it sounds like the Bent Spoon might be a better/newer alternative?

    ////
    Bent Spoon has been around a long time,but it’s not on Nassau (on Palmer Square) so maybe that’s why you don’t know it.It’s artisanal ice cream with a long list of flavors,some quite exotic.Thomas Sweet is solid but I think Bent Spoon is a cut above,though make sure you get them to give you a sample first if you try one of the “out there” flavors (I salute their creativity,but on rare occasions we tried something that didn’t quite work,lol).If you like pizza,Old WOrld on Nassau is just a step in and step out little storefront pizza joint you’d never suspect made exceptional pizza until you sink your teeth into a slice.they sell by the slice which is nice,too,like a real parlor with only a few stools & and a bar windowside.Bent Spoon is closed thru January,just in case you like ice cream in cold weather.they open again in Feb.

  110. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    betsy, i did say ‘when healthy’. if he is healthy hes a great pitcher in any league. he has had no support whatsoever from the mets. o and i kinda remember him being pretty damn good back in his a.l. day.

    dismissing a potentially healthy santana would be ridiculous. and the socks would jump all over that.

  111. blake January 30th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Santana hasn’t been as good for the Mets as he was for the Twins….but he’s still been pretty darn good. How long has this injury been going on and how much has if affecting d him? The fact that they say its a surgery that doesn’t recur is a big positive to me and suggests that he could come back strong at some point in 2011….

  112. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Fran -

    I like the family atmosphere. I figured it was only fair to warn people who’ve never been that sometimes it can be a bit of a circus. :)

    The closer you can sit to the field, and homeplate, the less the up and down seems to happen for some reason.

    We went to a game last year and we were sitting right between HP and the 1B dugout in the second row. It was great – except for I was petrified about the foul balls!

  113. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Doreen-

    Thanks for sharing.

    Those were the days.

    I loved little Italy too. The whole atmosphere down there.

    The sights, the sounds, the smells.

    It had a tangible quality.

    :)

  114. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Stone, I don’t think Andy is going to do the 2nd half thing – he either comes back now or he doesn’t. I’m still annoyed at Cashman for waiting and waiting and waiting as Heyman suggested that Millwood is a backup plan should Andy not return. Instead of trying to sign a pitcher now, he’s waiting for Andy to make a definite decision? That’s exactly what Andy said not to do.

  115. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Blake, but Santana has had injuries 2 or 3 years in a row……….In any case, I don’t think this has a prayer of happening.

  116. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    santana was injured last year and went 11-9, 2.98 (1.17 whip, 131 era+). that is excellent pitching no matter the league. and he was injured and pitching for a dreadful team.

  117. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Thanks J Alfred. We’ve been to Palmer Square – Thomas Sweets had a chocolate shoppe there, but I don’t remember the Bent Spoon. Gonna have to take a ride soon. February is just around the corner! We used to eat lunch at the eatery right on the corner — Winbury’s? I think was the name.

  118. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 10:51 am
    Warning about minor league games, though. Lots of raffle tickets people roaming the aisles. Lots of kids up and down, up and down. The mascot stuff and on-field between innings family fun stuff. Sometimes it seems like the choice was Chuck E Cheese or the Thunder game.

    The games with fireworks following, people arrive late.

    But it really is a lot of fun even with the distractions.
    ______
    lol, Doreen. You are right, the distractions are off the charts. All the kiddie games on the field between batters and innings… I don’t know how the players are able to concentrate. It is a whole different vibe in terms of the fan experience. I find that part a little chaotic, but I just phase it out.

    There are actually quite a few DeLorenzo’s now. One is right near the park. Only thing you have to make sure of is you don’t end up getting lost, as parts of Trenton away from the Stadium can be a little dicey. I will let you know directions, which one to go to, as the dates get closer. But really good pizza. Well worth it.

    I like the weekday games also. The only thing I find with the day games though is sometimes b/c Trenton has had a night game beforehand the offense is a little tired, and the play isn’t as high quality. Other thing is during day games in the summer, there is no shade anywhere in the seating, so if you are not covered up to deal with the sun, you can get a really bad burn.

    Yes, visiting Bent Spoon and Princeton in general is a nice pregame or postgame ritual.

  119. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    I think Santana has pushed himself very hard for the Mets. Too hard, maybe. He’s had such a bad run of injuries, but he’s a quality pitcher when healthy and even when not healthy, he’s given 110%.

    I hope the Yankees don’t need anyone like him, though. Probably naive, but I’m hoping anyway. :)

  120. tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Doreen

    I am afraid of foul balls too. I don’t like to sit behind the net because it gives me a headache so I got my seat right behind the on deck circle. From my seat I only have to look through the net to see the batter. Everything else isn’t obstructed. My row is where they bring the kids to do the between innings stuff but I can normally focus on the game and not the kids talking.

  121. upstate kate January 30th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    I wish we lived closed to a minor league park…it is a 2 day trip for us to go to YS as it is. We have attended various minor league games while vacationing, not any Yankee ones however. It is a fun atmosphere. We used to have the Ottawa Lynx, which was 90 minutes door to door, but they folded :( Actually, one of my requirements for a place to retire is to have a minor league park near by.

  122. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Santana is unfortunately always hurt. I think that ship has sailed.

  123. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    betsy, why dont you look at his stats before pronouncing that he cant pitch. yes he has had injuries but has still put up 599 ip the last 3 years (199 last year). cc is the only yankees pitcher that can stand toe to toe with johan. you are dismissing him because, what…you think nova or pettitte or hughes are better?

  124. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Betsy-

    I think you may have a point there.

    If a guy like The Duke or Millwood are cheap enough why not sign one for insurance ?

    Doesn’t appear it’s in the cards right now.

    Cashman must feel that Mitre and others would be sufficient, or equal.

    I’m not sure I completely agree.

    I hope he’s got this one covered somehow.

    ;)

  125. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    yankeefeminista -

    Oh, you are so right about the sun! When I went to the early (11 am) Lakewood game last year, I didn’t even think to bring sunscreen (though if I had my kids with me I would have!) and I got quite a sunburn on my arms and face. Really bad! Learned my lesson, though.

    I will certainly look forward to getting directions to DeLorenzo’s. Thanks.

  126. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    are the contests and such at a minor league park any worse than being blown out of your seat by cotton-eyed-joe or somesuch nonsense?

    i’d rather watch the idiots spin around the bat then try to run the bases than listen to that crap they play over the pa at YS anyday!

  127. blake January 30th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Betsy,

    This isn’t something you’d consider now…only if he came back healthy this year. Their arguement is that he’ll be owed about 48 million by the trade deadline in 2011. Not a significant amount more than Zambrano is owed by the Cubbies. If the injury truly is a one time fix sort of thing then Johan is certainly going enough for a 2nd act to his career. I agree its unlikely and isn’t even something to really think about right now….

  128. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Ys, I’m not going to argue with you since you seem to be on edge this morning. We’ll just have to agree to disagree..

    Blake, I just don’t think he’s going to be consistently healthy and, again, I would never deal with the Mets.

  129. tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Kate

    You should retire to FL. Lots of minor league games to attend. Cheaper too because they’re low level. Plus you get the spring training games and No Snow! It just gets hot and muggy that takes some getting used to.

  130. J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Yes to Old World Pizza, and Nassau Street Seafood is crazy good. Also love Bent Spoon, best ice cream with the exception of Maxmillian’s in Providence (Trisha, is it still in existence?) and some “name I forget” dairy stand in Carlisle, PA, where I swear they must milk the cows right before making the frozen custard.

    I haven’t tried Ajihei, but am dying to. Tiger Noodles is kinda fun. Love the coffee houses, Small World. & that health food store with the gourmet deli. Ah, great food town.

    Also, non-food, I love Labyrinth Bookstore. Miss it up by Columbia on UWS.

    ////
    Tiger Noodles is actually very decent.we duck in there sometimes for a off hour snack.Labyrinth,I know it well, fantastic bookstore and some great buys,too.nice floors in there & those chairs where you can get lost reading a book & no one comes around trying to sell you.SMall world’s espresso so outdoes Starbucks,but I like the little one on Nassau (next to Nassau St Seafood) better than WItherspoon,that’s too crammed with students & new wave music.

    Nassau SF is ridiculous,isn’t it?Great group of guys in there,too,& in summer months,they have the locally grown strawberries.Do you mean Whole Earth?their deli is good,great soups,fantastic cupcakes & if you haven’t tried their baked bread,which you get in the glass cases,go for them.they slice it for you.the whole wheat & oatmeal loaves are really somethin.
    http://nassau.jmgroupprinceton.com/

  131. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    MTU, if Cash thinks that, then he’s insane. Mitre? Right, lol

  132. blake January 30th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    “Young enough”

  133. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Betsy-

    My advice would be to try to get used to the idea.

    ;)

  134. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    MTU, that’s good advice, but it’s going to be so hard :mad:

  135. blake January 30th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    I hope they don’t but I think there is a relatively good chance the Yanks may need a pitcher at the deadline in order to set up for a playoff run….especially if Andy doesn’t come back. For this reason, I would keep all options open. Things could change a lot between now and then…..

  136. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Betsy-

    I am still holding out a faint hope for AP.

    If not, I think Cash might sign a millwood or the like IF they are still
    available.

    Otherwise I think he has no chocie but to go with internal options.

    He is definitely playing out the string this OS.

    I hope it works to our advantage.

    :)

  137. upstate kate January 30th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Tyanks
    FL is not in the picture! My parents retired down there, so I know what it is like. I am married to a man who thinks moving south is moving to central NY!

  138. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    santana’s (injured) 2010 stand up quite well vs. cliff lee’s (uninjured) 2010:

    johan11-9, 199ip, 2.99 era (131 era+) 1.17 whip

    lee: 12-9, 212ip, 3.18 era (130 era+) 1.00 whip

    add in whatever you value the league difference (but remember lee was in the weak a.l. west). lee had a better year, but not way better.

  139. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 11:07 am
    yankeefeminista -

    I was so bummed we didn’t go to the Pettitte game. We were trying to figure out a way to do it, work around my husband’s work hours and all, but it wasn’t going to work. Plus, I figured the game would be packed! Guess we should have taken the chance and gotten there late. Coulda woulda shoulda.
    ______
    It was great, although he only pitched 4 innings. We knew he wasn’t going to go more than @50 pitches, but most of the people around us didn’t and everyone was so stunned and disappointed when he didn’t come back in the 5th. It was funny to observe the place though when Andy pitched. It was nothing like the usual kind of laid back park vibe, just so electric b/c of Andy pitching at Waterfront, with flashbulbs going off everywhere. And after having shaky command early, he was very solid.

    It was so cool to see him pitch in such a small park, and just admire his abilities in a different way than you do in the “big” atmosphere and from a distance at Yankee Stadium. He was just so focused in (even for a minor league rehab start), and so powerful in that small ballpark atmosphere, if you know what I mean. He’s always been so intense, and he was just so amazingly locked in. I recall that same look years ago, when I was sitting in the bleachers in OYS, and Andy was warming up right below me before Game 2 of 2001 ALDS. The look, intensity is so present in certain players that it has a power in its own right. It just goes to show how single-minded and driven a player like Andy is, rehab start or playoff game. It was very cool to see him pitch in Trenton. Love his competitiveness and heart.

  140. blake January 30th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    MTU,

    Andy is comin back….(I think ) :)

  141. Fran the original January 30th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Doreen,

    We have gotten seats along the 1st base side a few rows off the field also. Sometimes kids come running down to participate in activities, but it’s pretty good. But as you said, you do have to watch out for foul balls. And I have no perception. Balls that I think are headed right towards me are on the other side of the field.

  142. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    are the contests and such at a minor league park any worse than being blown out of your seat by cotton-eyed-joe or somesuch nonsense?

    i’d rather watch the idiots spin around the bat then try to run the bases than listen to that crap they play over the pa at YS anyday!
    _____
    What is the worse than the Trenton kiddie stuff or even Cotton Eye Joe, which I loath, but think they aren’t doing anymore… is the Yankees 24/7 advertising from the moment you step into the Stadium until the moment the game starts. I am more sick to death of the upsale on the Jumbotron by the girl in the grating voice and her cohorts than almost anything else. It goes on and on and on. More Yankee highlights, please. Less commercials.

  143. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    blake January 30th, 2011 at 11:31 am
    MTU,

    Andy is comin back….(fixed) :)

  144. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    MTU -

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....p?sid=t531

  145. blake January 30th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Yankeefem,

    Thanks :)

  146. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Yes, Whole Earth, that’s it! That place is fantastic!

  147. upstate kate January 30th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    each day Andy doesn’t announce his retirement makes me more certain that he will return

  148. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    blake January 30th, 2011 at 11:38 am
    Yankeefem,

    Thanks
    _____
    lol. You’re welcome! :)

  149. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 11:19 am
    yankeefeminista -

    Oh, you are so right about the sun! When I went to the early (11 am) Lakewood game last year, I didn’t even think to bring sunscreen (though if I had my kids with me I would have!) and I got quite a sunburn on my arms and face. Really bad! Learned my lesson, though.

    I will certainly look forward to getting directions to DeLorenzo’s. Thanks.
    ______
    Yes, will definitely let you know. :)

    & Prufrock is right, Old World in Princeton is awfully good also. And this from an Italian who is very very picky about pizza. :)

  150. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    im with kate, i think andy is trying to get him self in shape to come back but has enough doubts about his body’s ability to get in shape that he’s not commiting until he’s sure. so the longer he goes w/o saying anything, the more likely it is that we will see him pitch this season.

  151. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    MTU, IMO, he should be proceeding as if Andy is not coming back. He keeps saying that he’s looking for pitching, but he signs Colon (no risk) and not a Deutscherer? Cash confuses me. Like you, I have a faint hope of Andy returning, but faint is all it is.

  152. Fran the original January 30th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Kate,

    I hope you’re right about Andy. Bernie Williams never officially retired and I don’t see him coming back.

  153. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    I mean, it’s 2 weeks to pitchers and catchers and Andy still can’t say “yes”?

    Mitre is just not a very good pitcher. The idea of waiting until the trade deadline when teams will hold the Yankees up (as they do even when we are not desperate) is just not very appealing.

  154. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    duchscherer sure has grown in popularity around here if people would rather have him than santana.

  155. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Blake-

    I still think Cash should have hedged his bets.

    Hopefully, you are correct. I’d like to believe it.

    If he doesn’t I know you favor going with the kids.

    I can deal with that even though I do not necessarily think it’s the best decision.

    If AP should decide to hang ‘em up we are going to need someone at #4 who can eat innings. I do not see Mitre or any of the youngsters doing that.

    Don’t forget we would have to continue to break in Nova as well.

    Good thing the BP is so strong. We may need it.

    :)

  156. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Al-

    Thanks for the info. I know you used to go to a lot of SWB games.

    You’re a lucky Man.

    :)

  157. Joe from Long Island January 30th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Interesting thought about the Yanks possibly having interest in Santana, if he comes back well enough from his surgery and rehab.

    The thing is, he’s been on the downside of the hill for a few years now. How much of that was related to the injuries he’s had is a fair question, and I would expect the Yankees to do their due diligence there. However, even with most of his contract already done and paid for, apparently he’s still owed a lot of money, more than I would expect to pay for a backend of the rotation starter (which is what he is tending towards at this point in his career, no longer a No. 1). So, I would question the value.

    The Mets would have to do an awful lot of $$$-eating to make that deal a viable one, I think.

  158. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    andy doesnt have a full year to give imo. so if he starts the season out of ST in the rotation, he isnt likely to finish or he will miss a large amount of time.

    he is doing the right thing, feeling it out and seeing first whether another season is even possible, and second, when his body will be in shape to really go after it.

    also rememeber that another injury to his back or legs could mean the end of his career. so let andy take all the time he needs so he can give us whatever he has to give.

  159. blake January 30th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Mitre isn’t bad a time or two through the order if he has his sinker working that day….he’s a pretty good long man. I think he would be bulllpen taxing as a starter.

    I also think Pettite wouldn’t be still working out this late if he weren’t coming back…..he’s just making sure but he’s left the door open too long to not walk through it IMO.

  160. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    MTU January 30th, 2011 at 11:02 am
    As stated above I really miss NY food.

    My favorite thing to do when I lived there was to make the rounds of Chinatown on a Friday night (no wisecracks GB).

    We would go from restaurant to restaurant in search of the perfect meal.

    We would try to find the hottest Szechuan Chinese food we could.

    What a blast. I miss those days.

    Even if I came home drunk and on fire.
    _______
    Sounds like my kind of food odyssey, looking for that perfect meal. :D

  161. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Blake, I agree he’s a nice long man to have – but that’s because he’s not very good. A long man just has to be able to stay in long enough to save the pen.

    Things don’t look great if Andy returns, but they sure look a lot better. I would feel bad if he didn’t return because if this is his last season, at least fans would be able to say a proper goodbye.

  162. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Blake-

    What you say seems reasonable and plausible but just remember there have been a lot of surprises this OS.

    Some good, some not so good.

    Sometimes even the obvious isn’t so obvious, huh ?

    ;)

  163. SAS January 30th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Good morning everyone,

    I would love to go to a game minor or major. I can get to YS, but there is no place to park that is close to the Stadium, and I can’t walk very far. I wish they would do something for disabled people. It makes me feel sorry for myself.

    I have been to ST games in AZ, and there is handicapped parking, even wheel chairs for ramps some places. It makes me feel good just to see a real baseball field in person even though I have no one to root for.

    Enjoy the games you go to and cheer for me too

  164. J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 11:13 am
    Thanks J Alfred. We’ve been to Palmer Square – Thomas Sweets had a chocolate shoppe there, but I don’t remember the Bent Spoon. Gonna have to take a ride soon. February is just around the corner! We used to eat lunch at the eatery right on the corner — Winbury’s? I think was the name.
    ///
    yr welcome.We’ve never gone to Winberie’s, any good?Neither of us have conventional “day” jobs & that place seems like a “business lunch” type establishment & we favor ethnic restaurants for dinner generally,or a good seafood house.

  165. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    joe, look at santana’s 2010 #’s and tell me in what rotation he would be in the ‘back end?’ not his lifetime #’s, rather his injured 2010 #’s. he is still an elite pitcher and is #1 or #2 on any team outside of philadelphia (and if healhty might well be thier #2 also)

  166. blake January 30th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Joe,

    That’s fair….tire kicking is ok. Depends on how he comes back, what the Yanks needs are, and how.much the Mets would kick in. I do think its possible that he could be good again….maybe not what he was but still pretty good…..he’s only 32

  167. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    YF-

    Yup. I had a lot of those.

    Now I just have hiking odysseys instead.

    :)

  168. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 11:10 am
    Fran -

    I like the family atmosphere. I figured it was only fair to warn people who’ve never been that sometimes it can be a bit of a circus.

    The closer you can sit to the field, and homeplate, the less the up and down seems to happen for some reason.

    We went to a game last year and we were sitting right between HP and the 1B dugout in the second row. It was great – except for I was petrified about the foul balls!
    __
    I love the older diehard minor league fans who live and die with the team. The minor leagues attract these wonderful characters who have great baseball stories to tell. I also love having scouts around to talk to. It is so uncorporate vs. a mlb park. I love the big park of course, but just another dimension. But mostly just love seeing the kids evolve.

  169. J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    As I have offered before,make Joba the long man to build up his arm under the radar & then reconvert him to a starting job.He certainly has the pitch variety to get through 3 innings & you help him build stamina back into that arm.

  170. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    SAS January 30th, 2011 at 11:54 am
    Good morning everyone,

    I would love to go to a game minor or major. I can get to YS, but there is no place to park that is close to the Stadium, and I can’t walk very far. I wish they would do something for disabled people. It makes me feel sorry for myself.

    I have been to ST games in AZ, and there is handicapped parking, even wheel chairs for ramps some places. It makes me feel good just to see a real baseball field in person even though I have no one to root for.

    Enjoy the games you go to and cheer for me too.
    _______
    Will do!

    However, if you want to pay the parking prices, there are handicap accessible parking spots with an elevator and ramp. It is really quite doable. I had a really bad knee injury a few years ago, and the lots made everything quite doable. Yanks even wheeled me up to my seats at the time. They were always very helpful when I was injured.

  171. J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Yes, will definitely let you know.

    & Prufrock is right, Old World in Princeton is awfully good also. And this from an Italian who is very very picky about pizza.
    ///
    the guy behind the counter is on speed dial.nice guy,but he wants to keep those pies turning over.he talks so fast sometimes I have to ask him to repeat himself which he does,politely but at breakneck speed.lol.time is money!

  172. J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    yankfem – you’re italian so you must appreciate the selection of sodas in the frig at Old World??Nice authentic italian sodas to wash down the pie!

  173. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    MTU January 30th, 2011 at 11:55 am
    YF-

    Yup. I had a lot of those.

    Now I just have hiking odysseys instead.
    ________
    Another way to feed yourself. ;)

  174. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
    yankfem – you’re italian so you must appreciate the selection of sodas in the frig at Old World??Nice authentic italian sodas to wash down the pie!
    ________
    I tend to eat more asian generally. More into serious Japanese green tea. :hide: But yes, Old World is the only time I ever actually drink soda.:)

  175. SAS January 30th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    YF,

    Please let me know what to do because I really want to see a game at the new YS. I want good seats because this will be a one time deal. If you need my email address, I will ask Chad to send it. Who I call? etc. A million thanks.

  176. SAS January 30th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    A game of risk :arrow:

  177. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    SAS January 30th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
    YF,

    Please let me know what to do because I really want to see a game at the new YS. I want good seats because this will be a one time deal. If you need my email address, I will ask Chad to send it. Who I call? etc. A million thanks.
    _____
    Yes, absolutely ask Chad for my email. Also let me know if you have a targeted date b/c it affects seat choices. Where do you want to sit? You can get really nice wheel chair accessible seating on main level right next to the Delta Suites if you time it right. I know all the secrets. Email me. ;)

  178. J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    yankeefeminista January 30th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
    yankfem – you’re italian so you must appreciate the selection of sodas in the frig at Old World??Nice authentic italian sodas to wash down the pie!
    ________
    I tend to eat more asian generally. More into serious Japanese green tea. :hide: But yes, Old World is the only time I ever actually drink soda.:)

    ////
    lol.we are fond of green tea around here,too.I feel I’d be remiss if I didn’t put a more emphatic warning on trying Ajihei.Some people have actually been thrown out of the place after making a perfectly reasonable request during their meal.If you read some reviews,you won’t believe what’s gone down,assuming the stuff is true.A diner has asked for something & the chef refuses without explanation.when the diner inquires politely why not,the chef says that’s it,you’re out of here, or something like that.like I said,unpredictably volatile so as good as the food is,I’d hate to recommend it & you have a bad experience.like I said,we’ve never had a problem with him (though he has no service skills at all)but you don’t know what might set him off.they also like to move people out fast,so we get there at hours we know we won’t have waiting people breating down our necks to take the table.it’s small,too.the sushi IS sublime though.


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